When I met Chris near 2 years ago, she was already a successful corporate execute in the high tech industry. But her huge list of symptoms besides her autoimmune was strangling her daily life, personal life, and starting to affect her career. She was anxious, full of debilitating palpitations, headaches, brain fog, and tons of gut issues. She was scared of food and planning her life by her mounting list of symptoms.

She didn't want her team or her employer to know just how bad things had become. As successful at work as she was, she felt isolated and mistreated by the tons of medical specialists and ER visits she had. Her relationships were suffering as well as her self trust.

18 months ago she did our online program to turn her autoimmune disease, hormones, and food issues around once and for all. Fast forward 18 months later, here's her follow up interview to answer the questions you all have about what's not only possible, but totally doable.

What's happened w/ her career, her relationships with her kids, her husband, her symptoms? What's her level of power and control over her all her symptoms?

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Welcome to Transform with Dr.

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Maggie Yu Podcast, where

education meets results.

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I'm Dr.

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Maggie Yu, your guide with nearly

three decades of experience

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in root cause medicine.

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Here, we dive deeper into the root

causes of chronic disease through

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interviews, case studies, and trainings.

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Hi, I am Dr.

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Maggie.

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You and I help professionals launch

the year of autoimmune disease

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turnaround through working with

us through our online program

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today, we have Chris Wenzel who's

joining us, and Chris has a year and a

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half since she's started our program.

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And I really wanna bring Chris

on to actually show people what

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a year of autoimmune disease

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Turnaround really looks like.

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So, without further ado, I'm gonna

have Chris introduce herself.

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Chris, tell us where you

were a year and a half ago.

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Chris: Oh my goodness.

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A year and a half ago, I was a hot mess.

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You and I had spent time on the phone.

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I was at a dead end.

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I, I thought I was at the

end, I thought I was dying.

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I had panic attacks.

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I had autoimmune disease.

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I had Epstein Barr.

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I was having rashes.

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I was having female hormonal problems.

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It was just affecting so

many things in my life.

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First and foremost, I'm, I'm a wife

of 22 years to my wonderful husband.

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I am a mother to two boys,

a pre-teen and a teenager.

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And I have an amazing career for a

tech company as an area sales leader.

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And it was just affecting so many

different things I just didn't

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think I can turn out of it.

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I was doing the traditional approach.

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I was throwing medication at it.

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I was seeing doctor after doctor.

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At one point I had seen

eight different physicians.

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I ended up in the emergency

room with heart issues.

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I was wearing a heart monitor.

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I.

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I was losing my hair.

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I had just a really hard ability

living every single day and trying

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to be the best wife and mother

and career person that I could be.

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And I stumbled across Maggie and

her approach is very different

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than the traditional doctors

that you see a regularly.

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And, and I figured I had done

everything else I had done.

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The traditional doctor, I had done

the . Traditional the neurologist,

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the endocrinologist, the gynecologist.

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I, I'd searched for answers for so long

and I've been dealing with this disease

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for now, looking back almost 20 years,

and it just compounded one after another.

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I.

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And I remember the call with Dr.

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Maggie where I said, I just, I

don't know if, if I can go on, I

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don't know if I can get out of this.

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I just, I'm afraid I'm gonna die.

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I am afraid I'm not gonna be there

for my husband and my children.

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And, and I remember her saying, you will

if you don't take control of your life.

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And at that point I made a

decision to enroll in Dr.

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Maggie's program.

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And it literally was

a life changer for me.

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Maggie: You had a lot of career

success up to that point.

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I mean, it wasn't as if you know,

you were into the outside world.

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What would you say that you were a

picture of somebody who was successful?

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I was, you had a lot of skills that

you were able, you learned a lot of

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skills that you were able to apply

to your work and to your profession.

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Chris: I hid my disease very well,

and I hid it I hid it very well

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during the workday, and I came home

and I was physically exhausted.

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I wasn't sleeping.

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In the evening, I'd snap at my children.

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I, I held it together, what I

thought, held it together for

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my career for a very long time.

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And in my effect was, was being

held hostage by this disease.

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And I, I was very successful,

but I couldn't reach the levels

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of success that I knew I could

until I dealt with this demon.

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And, you know, since then I, I've recently

moved on to a different organization.

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I, I love my job.

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I have passion for what I do.

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I've since been promoted.

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I'm responsible for a very large

business and team and, and I really

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enjoy . Everything I do from an aspect

of work and home, that joy I didn't have

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because I was so sick and I was just

trying to get by every single day, I

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would think about today, not tomorrow.

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Can I get through today?

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Can I get through my work?

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Can I get home?

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Can I put dinner on the table?

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Can I be there for my spouse?

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Can I get in bed?

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Sleep 'cause that I was

so tired I couldn't sleep.

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And then get up in the morning

and do it all over again.

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Where now, you know, I'm thinking about,

well what am I gonna do in six months

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and what vacation am I gonna take and

my kids are gonna go off to college

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and what am I gonna do with them?

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That's fun this weekend versus I think

this weekend I just wanna lay in bed and

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Maggie: sleep.

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To summarize what you just said, I would

say it sounds to me like, let's say

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in two or three sentences, what do you

think has been the impact of, once you've

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addressed autoimmune disease, what do

you think has been the impact on, let's

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say your work in two or three sentence?

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Chris: Yeah.

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In two or three, once I attack

the Godzilla in my life, I am able

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to clearly think at work I'm able

to have the energy necessary to

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give to my team and my customers.

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And I'm able to have joy in everything

that I do and not have to worry about.

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I.

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Ooh, that's a heart palpitations, or, Ooh,

I don't feel well, or, oh, I'm so tired.

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I don't know that I can

do another meeting today.

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I literally have joy every single

day since I've gone through your

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Maggie: program, couple sentences

has been the major impact upon your,

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the relationship with your children.

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Chris: So funny you say that.

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My my kids and I were in the car about

six months after I started your program.

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I had also started an alternate

homeopathic medication along the lines.

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And I was going to go pick it up

and my kids said something, oh,

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mommy, are you, are you gonna go

take the, the, the supplement?

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And I said, yeah, I need to, I need to

take it to make sure mommy feels better.

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She goes, Wow.

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Mom, you were really sick.

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And I have to tell you, in the last six

months, I don't know what you're doing,

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but we're so happy to have you back.

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And I have to tell you, I thought I was

hiding it from my children and I wasn't.

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I was fooling myself.

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It was affecting them.

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They saw it.

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Their hearts hurt for me, and they

had joy, that I was getting better.

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And that allowed them to be kids.

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It allowed them to . Play and be free

and not have to worry about, is mom okay?

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She's tired.

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She's probably gonna be cranky

when she gets home from work.

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It, it released that from them.

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I mean, I

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Maggie: thought I was under

the mistaken impression too,

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because I was doing well at work.

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I was, you know, making good money and

to the outside world, I looked normal.

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In a lot of ways, autoimmune

disease is like silent.

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It's like a silent killer

that impacts upon . People's

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lives 'cause we all look norm.

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Most of us look normal on

the outside, all immunity.

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And we think we're actually hiding it.

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We may be successful at hiding it from

our customers or from our employees

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that we work with, but we're lying

to ourselves if we think we're hiding

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it from our children or our spouse.

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Chris: Yeah, we are.

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I ran into someone I hadn't seen in

a year and a half, just this last

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week, and, and they looked at me

and they go, you look so vibrant.

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You look so young, you've lost weight.

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What's go, what are you doing?

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What's your secret?

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And I said, there is no secret.

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I just was really, really

sick and I'm not anymore.

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And I'm, I'm enjoying life

and I'm, I'm doing the things

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necessary to keep myself healthy.

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Maggie: I love it.

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Well, let me ask a lot of people

you've mentioned that you were

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able to apply a lot of skills.

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You probably have had a ton of coaching

and learning for how to apply your

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skills towards work and success at work.

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Yeah.

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My question for you was you, you

said that you weren't able to

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apply these skills to your health.

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Yeah.

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And my question is, why not?

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Why not?

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Why weren't you able to apply these

same skills to success with health?

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Chris: Well, and when you think

about your career, you, you learn

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from the mistakes that you make.

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You also learn from others.

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And being educated, I.

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And I wasn't educated on my health.

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I, I was living in a world of

traditional healthcare, which I

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thought would protect and help me.

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I did not know that there was a root

cause to everything that was going on

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in my body, and it was like an onion.

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You peel it back, there's layer

upon layer upon layer upon layer,

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and you walk in and you talk to a

doctor and you have thyroid disease.

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Great.

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Well, I picked up a pill

and for me that didn't work.

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That didn't solve the problem.

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It actually made me sicker, but that

didn't address my Epstein bar or my

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hormonal issues, or my tired, my hair

falling out, my emotional, my panic

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attacks, all these other things.

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It didn't . It didn't do anything

for them because I wasn't educated in

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trying to find what the root cause was.

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And once I ended up getting the tools

that I needed to understand how to

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kind of peel back the layers of the

onion and go step by step to figure

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out how do I attack this disease, not

just give it a pill, but truly look at

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the different aspects, the emotional.

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The food, the health and wellbeing,

the me time necessary to relax and

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recharge the mindset piece of it.

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Once I had all of those tools like

work, I was able to, to apply that to

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my health and, and make that turnaround.

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And, and I did that because I ended up

getting the tools and I applied the skills

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Maggie: for that.

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I'm hearing that there's an educational

model that we have towards business

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skills towards life, you know, life

skills, but healthcare, and healthcare.

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We lack an educational model for educating

people on actually the most important

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thing, which is the fight for our lives.

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Chris: I mean, you, you know, I, I am not

against medic, you know, medical care.

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I think there, there's a place

for your doctor and you need

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to have them in your life.

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But, you know, if, if we all think that

we're gonna walk into a standard doctor

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under a 15 minute visit and talk about

all the problems that you have, and many,

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many of us females have similar problems.

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They're, they're going to, you know,

when there's a nail, they're gonna apply

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a hammer and not everything's a nail.

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Some people are screws, some people

are nails, some people's are bolts and

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everybody has a different root cause.

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And once you get to the education to

understand, I need to find out what

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that root cause is and then fix that

root cause, so then I can go after

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another one and go after another one.

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Versus you go to the doctor, you

might fix one thing, but you're not

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fixing all these other pieces, the

domino effect that fall within it.

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Maggie: So cause and effect.

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Chris: Yeah, absolutely.

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Maggie: Absolutely.

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So let's talk about if you can give a

little summary of in, in the, during

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the program, how did you feel we

were able to educate you on cause and

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Chris: effect?

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I.

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So there are a couple

things that work for me.

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You know, I, I like the

online coaching model.

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I like a support system of having peers

around me to that are going through

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the same thing that you can talk to.

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It's great to have, you know, you

as a doctor and a nutritionist and,

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and all of the different pieces.

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But I had the educational component,

which is the online portal that helped

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me understand week by week, chunking down

my education, and then I had homework

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that I needed to apply, and then if I

needed an answer, there was a weekly call

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that I could attend and bring my issues,

bring, bring my tests, bring my concerns,

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not only to the, the medical team

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Also to my peers who are also

going through similar situations

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that that could empathize.

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'cause there's something to be said

about the whole mindset piece of it where

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someone else is going through something

similar and say, Hey, I did that and,

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and I do have this problem as well.

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And these were the three things I did.

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And it changed.

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Oh, okay.

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Huh.

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I'm not doing that.

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Okay, let me look into that.

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And it, and it really empowers

you to take control of

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Maggie: your own health.

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I, what I'm liking hearing is, is that

a lot of people think they're so used

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to a one-on-one model of medical care.

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And the interesting thing is it

is the whole one-on-one model

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medical care that hasn't gotten

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Chris: you those results.

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No.

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It ha it hasn't.

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Maggie: And people don't understand

the power of actually group

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coaching and learning as a group.

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What you're pointing out is, is that when

someone else mentions a problem and you

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hear the solutions or their solutions or

what I'm teaching about it in reaction to

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them, you are actually, you may not have

even thought about asking that question.

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You may not even have thought it

was related to autoimmune disease,

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and suddenly somebody's bringing

up a question and it dawns on you

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that, oh my gosh, that's autoimmune.

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Chris: Well, and the interesting

thing is I've been on the journey

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now for a year and a half.

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You know, since I started with you.

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I was through your program.

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I'm now a year out.

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I did an interview with you right when

I left, and then now I'm doing one.

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There are things as I peel back that

onion that are starting to uncover

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as I get healthier, there's still

issues and I have to deal with them.

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And I'm going back to the tools

that I got in the program.

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'cause at that time, they

weren't applicable to me.

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Now they are.

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And I feel like I can attack those

things one-on-one as they come up.

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You know, if I have a low vitamin D issue,

I know exactly what to do about that.

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There are things that I can do.

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When I learned in the program, at that

point in time, when I was in the program,

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my vitamin D wasn't my biggest issue.

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It was one of the root cause

issues, but it wasn't like the

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first thing I wanted to fix.

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Well, now I'm tweaking that.

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I'm tweaking a couple other things, and

as I go after those different root causes,

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. Every day I get stronger, I get healthier,

and, and I just, I, I also connect with

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a lot of my old cohort people and we

talk about things and, and you know,

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now I'm not in your program any longer.

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I.

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But I do have them to lean

on if I have a question.

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Maggie: Yeah, we have, we have we

actually have what's called pods now.

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So we actually assign people in groups

of three or four when they start the

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program with people that are in the

exact same place starting and we now

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have graduates . That have even after

their program continue to meet with

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their pods, like six months on, seven

months on, and they actually talk

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about how to spend the biggest piece

of support that continue even after

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the program besides the alumni group.

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Chris: Yep.

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And, and that's, that's it.

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When we invest in ourselves

to get into this program, you

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know, we have to do the work.

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To make it happen.

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It's on me to do the work.

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It was on me to do the homework.

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It's on me to follow through and

make sure my diet's on point, make

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sure my sleep's on point, make sure

my supplement regime that's on me.

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But after I left, it

wasn't like, bye Chris.

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You're on your own.

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I still have the tools available to me,

and I still have the ability to connect

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with not only some of my peers, but on

the alumni group with . The team and

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say, Hey, what do you think about this?

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Or, check in with others and there's

something to be said about the support

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that goes along that with your journey.

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And then secondarily, giving back

to the people who are now coming

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in through the program, I'm able to

say, Hey, you can be like this too.

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You can turn your health

around on your own.

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You can empower yourself.

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Maggie: Love it.

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I have a question, which is, what

do you think what surprised you the

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most about being in the program?

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Chris: What surprised

me was the group model.

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I didn't realize how much I would get

out of the group model, so that's number

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one, how much I would get by interacting.

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I'm like, oh, I just

wanna talk to the doctor.

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I wanna have a, you know,

half hour conversation.

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Here's my problems.

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Tell me what I need to do.

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I'm a, I'm gonna achiever, I'm a

type A, I'm just, tell me what I

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need to do and I'm gonna do it.

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Check, check, check, check.

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I'll do it.

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But working with others, it really

gave me the ability to open myself

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up to all the possibilities.

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Secondly when I think about is I

didn't realize how much of this was

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mindset as well, how much . Prior

bad habits and mindset items.

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I personally had to deal with past

traumas and such that I needed to uncover

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and deal with emotionally in order to

get my health to where it needed to be.

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And that was a huge awakening when

I had spoken to the other people.

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You know, a lot of us have similar

backstories where there's some emotional

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trauma or some sort of abuse or something

that's going on, and if you don't address

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it, it just manifests into disease.

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Maggie: I, I, I love that.

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Because I think because a lot of people

look at me and I'm a medical doctor and

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we're a health program because we're

turning around autoimmune disease.

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People think health.

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And I think what people are very

surprised by that you're pointing

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out is the level of coaching

around mindset, how people think.

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And I am a huge firm believer, and

you know this 'cause I'm teaching the

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modules about this, which is that I

think that the people don't realize that

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there is so much power in what you think

the language that you use and the story

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that you tell in your head, what you think

actually really impacts upon your health.

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Yeah, and

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Chris: me.

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Maggie: Me, the work that I've done on

myself has been to really realize that

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when you change the meaning maker in

your head, when you change the story

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in your head, everything changes.

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Chris: And, and we don't realize, you

know, we're not taught this in school.

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We're not taught this for our doctor.

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Our mind and our stomach are connected.

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You know, our neurotransmitters, the food

we put in our body what our body does,

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how it behaves, it is all connected.

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If you can't get this space right,

this space isn't gonna get right.

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If this space doesn't get

right, this doesn't get right,

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and it creates this cycle.

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Just churn and, and you gotta

address it all at the same time.

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And if you don't, you address one of

it, you might get a little better.

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Once you start really addressing all

the pieces, the emotional, the physical,

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and, and the educational component.

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It just changes everything,

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Maggie: you know.

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This reminds me, you had said

something that I think was really

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insightful because you say I'm the

typical corporate type A woman.

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Which I am as well, . And one

of the biggest reservations you

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had in joining this program was

saying, eh, group coaching program.

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That doesn't seem like an

effective use of my time.

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Just gimme 30 minutes with the

doctor and boom, boom, boom.

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Tell me what to do and I'm good.

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Yep.

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So, Tell me why this is actually a lie

, or tell me why this is actual BSS now

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Chris: that you realized it.

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So I didn't, I didn't get

to the issues that I was.

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What I was doing wasn't working,

going traditional approach

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that wasn't working for me.

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It might work for other people.

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I think that's amazing.

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But if that is not working for you and

you are looking to step it up to that

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next notch, for me, getting into a

group coaching program allowed me the

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ability to control of my own health.

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Not rely on someone else to gimme

a pill and wait six weeks, gimme a,

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a medication, go get a blood work.

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I was able to do the tweaking

necessary and, and, and the emotional

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social component necessary within

a group setting and feel safe.

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I felt safe in doing it.

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I felt like if I made a change and

something wasn't going right, I knew I

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had the online portal, I had my Facebook

group, and I had you as a doctor to

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say, okay, hold on, Chris, step back.

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What did you do?

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What did you change?

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What do, what do we need to do now?

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And, and I felt safe that I could make

that change and know that I have a

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support system around me to do that.

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I

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Maggie: think you're also pointing

something else out, which is that

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I think there's a big difference

between a doctor telling you in a

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30 minute visit, boom, boom, boom.

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This is what you should do and what we're

doing, because we're actually using an

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educational and coaching model to teach

you how to think about it, so you can

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have the skills to figure out what the

answers are, even on your own later.

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Chris: I mean, today I'm still working

with a local homeopathic doctor on

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different things that I, I need,

and we have a very consultative

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approach that we work on together.

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And many of the things that I learned

in this program, we have a dialogue

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and she is blown away at the amount

of education that I have on my

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disease and how to empower myself.

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And when we have a conversation,

it goes quite quickly because

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she's like, . You actually know

what your body can and cannot do.

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You know what you need

to do to be successful?

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I'm just tweaking the

gears for you, Chris.

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And she'll throw a suggestion out and

say, well, have you thought about this?

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And I'll say, well, actually that's

not my problem, because if you look at

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this test marker, this is my problem.

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And she's like, oh, I didn't catch that.

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I didn't.

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You know, when you look at, everyone

looks at iron, well, there's different

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components of iron you have to look for.

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Sometimes it's saturation,

sometimes you have too much

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iron and it's showing up low.

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You have to look at the different

markers and, and this program gave

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me the tools to say it's not just

about the iron marker on the test.

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You know, it's all the different

pieces that that fit within

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Maggie: that.

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Where are you

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Chris: at now?

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You have time.

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have time.

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You know, is my life perfect?

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No.

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I still am dealing with

autoimmune disease.

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I have to be very, very aware

of the decisions, the, the

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stress I put on my body.

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I.

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I have to take time for me.

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I have to eat right.

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I have to make sure my

supplement regime is on point.

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I have to I journal, I yoga, I meditate.

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Those are all decisions

I make for my self-help.

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But the things that have changed is

I don't, I don't get up every day

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thinking, am I going to die tomorrow?

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And I was at one point, I'm not having

rampant panic attacks, heart palpitations.

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I.

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Stomach pain so bad, I'm doubled over and

trying to stand up right in a meeting.

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Pain in my back where I can barely walk.

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Muscle spasms, hair

falling out exhaustion.

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I'm not snapping at my kids.

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I'm not you know, things don't

rattle me as easily as they used to.

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My candida is under control, which

was running rampant through my body,

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which was causing other issues.

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Just, it's, it's item

after item after item.

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I feel like a human.

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And I have to say, you know,

four, I didn't feel like a human.

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I felt like I was just living in the

shell and I couldn't quite figure

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out how am I gonna get out of it?

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How am I gonna feel like a person?

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I

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Maggie: remember the first call.

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You said you felt like you were dying.

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I

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Chris: did.

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I did.

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And it was real, it was a really hard

realization to me 'cause I was so scared

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and, and part of that was, and I didn't

realize how emotionally broke I was.

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With regards to the brain cut connection,

you know, at the end of the day, those,

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those feelings come from a place,

it comes from the disease, you know,

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that disease continues to run, you

know, rampant, and you start going in

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these cycles and you just gotta get

off the hamster wheel at some point.

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Once you get off the hamster wheel,

it's great on the other side.

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Maggie: What do you think because you said

you felt like the, you've had dealt with

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autoimmune symptoms for at least 20 years.

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I have.

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What do you think was the financial

impact of being on the hamster wheel

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of the conventional medicine with

chasing the diagnosis and chasing all

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your symptoms over those 20 years?

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What do you think was the financial

impact of what you had spent?

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Because

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Chris: I remember the conversation

with my husband when I talked to

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him about investing in this program,

and, you know, at the end of the day,

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it's, you're investing in yourself.

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It is, it is not something that you're

gonna go to the Starbucks and buy.

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It's something that is a little more

on the . A pricier side in the sense

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that you're investing in your health.

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It's not a $200 office visit, but

we looked at all the money I had

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spent all the doctor visits, the

emergency room visits, the test

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visits, and it was upwards of $50,000.

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It's a lot.

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So when you think about the

investment that I made in myself

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or my family had made in me

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In this program, I've

gotten it back tenfold.

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I mean, I'm not having

to run to the doctor.

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I'm not, I'm not on any, any

medications that are, you know, things

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that I need that are $300 a month.

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I rotate through my

supplements when I need them.

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My supplement regime was

very high when I started.

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Now I use food as my supplementation.

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I know what I need to do to get

what I need to get, but the costs

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are . Significantly less to my

family now that I invested in myself.

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Maggie: So you feel like the value,

financial value dollar amount

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that you got from the program was

at least half a million dollars?

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Chris: Financial value of the program?

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It, it, it, well, I

think it was priceless.

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I mean, I have to say, I know it

sounds like a MasterCard commercial.

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I can't put a price on my

family's happiness nor mine.

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And that to me is priceless.

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And so the investment that I made is,

is just tenfold over every single day.

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I get up, I have joy, I'm happy, my

family's happy, and, and I, and I feel

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like I'm in control of my life, and there

is, I can't put a price on that because

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having control of my life with something

that I wanted, and I have it now.

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Has there been

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Maggie: a career impact on your

life since you've done this program?

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What has changed in your career as a

result of getting your health under

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Chris: control?

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So there's been a tremendous

amount of change in progress.

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So I've since been promoted

within my organization and I

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run a $800 million business.

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I have a very large team.

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I, I solve customers

problems through technology.

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I enjoy my job every day.

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I get up.

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I don't worry about the pain that I have.

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I don't worry about

did I sleep last night?

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I don't have the stress and the anxiety.

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Is there stress in my job?

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Absolutely.

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But I enjoy that stress.

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It's not dreaded stress.

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And and I, and I just look at all the

possibilities for me and my career today

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and what I want to do, and it's limitless.

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I have so many options in front of me

and all I know I can control that because

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I don't have to worry about my health.

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Health is, it's, it's, I take

care of it on a daily basis.

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I maintain it, but it's not first

and foremost center to my problems.

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Maggie: So for those of us who are

professionals, autoimmune disease,

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it's the whole idea of what would life

be like if health absolutely did not

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limit any of your options or choices.

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Absolutely, and that's where you're at

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Chris: a year later, health health

affected so many different pieces and

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now it's not, it's not a, a concern.

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I literally know what I

need to do to be successful.

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I know what my root cause are.

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I know what my triggers are and when, you

know, I wake up, if I'm feeling a little

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bit tired, it's like, whoa, you know what?

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You took it a little hard yesterday.

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You need to make sure this weekend

you do a little rest and relaxation.

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You need to take some time with

the kids or the husband and you

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need to do something fun and.

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I'm very self-aware now where

I wasn't, where before it was

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go, go, go, go, go, go, go.

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And I'm just trying to

overcompensate everything in my

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life to cover up my health issues

and now I don't have to do that.

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I.

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Maggie: I do have a question about, a

lot of people think that a lot of people

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think that dealing with autoimmune disease

naturally I'm an md so I'm a scientist.

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Mm-hmm.

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, but I've also taken a lot of time

and invested in myself to learn

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everything there is natural about how

to turn around autoimmune disease.

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And a lot of people think that

turning around autoimmune disease

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naturally means that it's not a

scientific or data-driven approach.

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So I want ask you that piece, which

is, what was your experience with the

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program as a scientific data-driven

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Chris: approach to

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I think it was more data-driven than any

other traditional method that I had had.

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I actually had, on paper, I knew exactly

what was going on in my body regularly.

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I knew from a hormonal, from a

supplement, from a mineral I had a

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ton of data and I was able to make

decisions on what I needed to do based

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upon the data that was in front of me.

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And the, the program offered me the

ability to get data that I had never

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gotten from a traditional sense.

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That was actually the game changer for me.

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It was quite quickly, right

around week two and a half, I

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started seeing little changes.

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And I remember like, oh.

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That changed.

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Oh, that changed.

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They were little, but you, you grab on

these little glimmers of hope and, and,

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and it was like, oh, I wanna do this more.

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I need more data.

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I need more data.

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I need more reading.

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I need to apply it more.

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And it just was very exciting.

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It's very data driven and it's not

just, you know, going outside and

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picking some berries and leaves and

eating them and everything's okay.

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It's literally what am I missing

or what am I doing wrong in my

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lifestyle that I need to shift or

take in, in order to be successful?

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Maggie: And your numbers

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Chris: improved?

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Oh my gosh, dramatically.

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What would you tell someone

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Maggie: who's considering

joining our program?

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Chris: If you are willing to invest in

yourself and you're at that spot where

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you don't know what else to do, and

you've done the traditional way and

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it's not working, consider looking at

a program like this and do something

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different, but know that you have to.

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You have to put the work in in

order for it to be successful.

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It's not going to be walking

in a doctor's office, getting a

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lab slip, taking a medication.

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You have to do the work, but I

promise you, if you do the work,

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your life will turn around and

it'll be anything you want it to be.

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Maggie: Congratulations, Chris Wenzel,

a year and a half later after our

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program to the new you and your new life

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Chris: and success in your career.

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And I have to say, if you have

Hashi, you can lose weight.

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Just saying, I'm on the process right now.

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I have healed so much.

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This is now the thing I'm working on is.

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Is the other things that

are just so hard to do.

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I'm now working on tweaking those little

things and I'm doing it in a safe way

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and it's really exciting to watch.

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Maggie: Thank you for joining

us for this interview, and thank

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you, Chris, for joining us a year

and a half after the program.

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Chris: Thank you.

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Good luck to everyone.

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