Dogman, Bigfoot, Brotherhood & Divine Callings | Tony Merkel & Joel Thomas

Episode 96 • 29th April 2025 • The Strange Road • Strange Road Creative, LLC

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So welcome truth seekers and mystery lovers to another episode of The Strange Road. I'm your host, Mikey. We've got a fantastic episode tonight. We've got two guys that live and breathe the strange man. First I want to introduce Tony Markel, entrepreneur, filmmaker. He's the founder of Miracle Media and host of the confessionals podcast. Also joining us is Joel Thomas, musician, entrepreneur.

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Unknown

He's a monster hunter. And also the host of Free the Rabbit's Podcast. Tony. Joel, what's up guys? Welcome to the Strange Room. Thanks for having us, man. Yeah, yeah. What's up man? It's been a long time. Forgot to mention Joel returning champ as well. Everybody was returning. Guest a very, very popular episode with Joel. A lot of our clips and reels and TikToks went thermonuclear from that episode.

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Unknown

So, there you go. Yeah, especially the one about one of the J. Clones. That dude. Oh, you had us in tears, man. We were cracking up. Anything to do with with mystery. And J is so in j such a good sport. He's such a good sport. He has half the internet coming after most of the time about being on Smithsonian Channel.

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Unknown

And.

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Unknown

They talk about the J clones on the confessionals app. Yeah. So so his new app is a social media app. Plus you get access to all of the members stuff too. So all the new members episodes and everything else. So it's a sharing app too, so people can communicate with each other. It works just like it's like. So it's like the X.

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Unknown

Yeah, it's like a, it's like having an X app kind of thing. That's cool. Yeah. They talk about J clones on there all the time, and I get tagged in something anybody says about a J clone, they tag me in it. Like, which one is this? I need to hop in there and stir some stuff up. It's fun.

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Unknown

It's fun man. That's cool. Well, and you guys are doing a lot. One thing I think you know, for me, I'd like to hear the story. You know, if you guys have been living under a rock, Tony, the confessionals, you're like one of the OG paranormal podcasters out there. Much respect to everything you got going on with the media.

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Unknown

And, Joel is, part of the Circle Media family. And talk to us about how that happened, how you guys hooked up, and how you guys are kind of moving forward with everything that's happening out. Well, I'll start with a great. Every good story starts with a man sitting on a toilet.

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Unknown

No. So I guess, the confessional is the it's a podcast. And, you know, like you just mentioned, and you said OG was or whatever you said I was just like, wow. I guess I guess in this space, in a sense. Yeah. I mean, you are, dude, we, I mean, I started eight years ago and eight years ago, podcasting was not what it is today.

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Unknown

But yes, I mean, I just started interviewing people and, you know, it gained traction, and here we are. But, with me and Joel. I literally was on the toilet, and, that's not a lie. And I got a I got a I think I got a DM from his friend Mark, and or an email or something and said, hey, my friend is a musician and he does a lot of conspiratorial type music.

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Unknown

And, Mark Ripper different mark. Different Mark. Okay. However, shout out to Mark Ripper. However, we're going to be at Mark Ripper's house doing some filming tomorrow. Well, there you go. Title all together. But, and he's like, just check it out. And, you know, I've had people over the years say that and usually it's it's not my kind of music, you know, but a lot of times it's like, it sounds like it's like it's a whole bluegrass song made in your garage kind of thing.

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Unknown

Just not my style. Yeah. This guy comes on and I'm just like, oh, shoot. I was like, this is good. Like, this is real good, Nick. Yeah. And, and so I hit him back and I was like, I want to have this guy on my show. And then they actually flew out to Philly when I was living in Pennsylvania.

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Unknown

And, they came in studio. He was my first in-studio guest. It wasn't even, like something that I was looking to do. Wow. I had it in my basement. So he came to my house and he sat in the studio with me for the entire day. We did tons of recording and, and we just hit it. We hit it off.

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Unknown

I mean, it was just it was, it was a blossoming friendship by the end of the day. Yeah. For sure. We connected on the phone because I remember you. When you first reached out to me, you said, hey, your producer Marc sent me your music, and I love it. And you were doing at the time, an underground radio show in a rage against dystopia, right?

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Unknown

And you asked, could you start playing my music on the show? Yeah. And I was like, yeah, sure of course. And then we got to talking some more. And I know we were FaceTiming one time and you were talking about, you were gauging how well I would fit on your show because I don't know at the time if you knew how much, you know, paranormal stuff I'd had happen in my life.

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Unknown

You didn't know anything about my backstory. And I remember mentioning. Well, I used to be a Freemason, and he was like, what? He was like, you're on the show. Yeah. People. That story on our show. And I was riveted. I was like, all right, this this is the it makes a lot of sense. Like, I'm the way that you.

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Unknown

I understand, Joel Thomas hearing that side of your life. It makes sense. Yeah. And he was like, you want to make me fly out? And I remember him saying, I've haven't had any guests in the studio, but you want to. And I was like, yeah. I was like, let me get a hold of Mark. Mark. So yeah, for sure.

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Unknown

Let's go. So we went out there and, we just all hit it off really well. And I remember you and I talked about me doing a song for the confessionals, which I ended up doing, which is Bigfoot. And then it spawned off. I got a random text from Tony one night, probably around like 830 or something, and he said, how do you feel about cryptids?

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Unknown

And I was like, you know, I grew up in North Georgia mountains most of my life. I mean, we've talked about Bigfoot and everything else. Yeah, I believe in all of that. He's like, do you have guns? And I was like, well, I don't talk about the deep state like I do, but I don't. And I said, yeah.

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Unknown

He said, how do you feel about going in the woods and hunting dog man?

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Unknown

Yeah. You need to be strapped a dog man. Yeah. That is the one cryptid that I put a hole in its head, man. I want it so bad. Yeah, you would need to be very. And I recently saw one of your videos, Tony, of, when you were talking to grok the. No. You speech back. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

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Unknown

The dog man chimeras that the government created. Grok. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that was wild. I didn't expect that. That was such a random thing that I did. Your face showed it. Yeah, cause I like this. I tried doing it again, but I was expecting it to be kind of crazy, and so, like, I'm not good at acting, so it's just like.

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Unknown

That's why I like, even when I do my interviews. I it's really like we're not talking a whole lot before we hit record, because I don't want to hear your story. Like, like if, if you're if you emailed me, we get a lot of emails and we have a small team, but they're good, dedicated team. And they go through the emails and my wife heads up the leadership of that, and she knows exactly what I want.

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Unknown

And so she brings a pile of emails to me and she's like, here's the emails we go through every single one, and I pick the ones that that I'm interested in. And we we scheduled to be interviewed. I don't I don't want to hear your story on like, say I do a private call with you. Yeah. And I hear your story.

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Unknown

And then I have to hear your story again and pretend I'm surprised by it. You know what I mean? So, like, I'm just. I'm not. I'm not good at acting, and, Oh, yeah. Great. So that second one and stuff, I was just like, yeah, this is crazy. But I was just like, this isn't I like it didn't catch me off guard, you know?

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Unknown

But but yeah, I mean, we went down to Kentucky and we went in and hunted the dog, man. And I, I'll tell you, like, when Joel came out to my studio, that day. And I think you're okay with me saying this, but, like, there, like, there was an emotional, connection between him and, him and I.

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Unknown

Yeah, like a bro level. Yeah. And, you know, like, throughout that day, we're having all this conversation and we're discovering each other, you know, in front of the world, really. And, and at one point, and this is back when we didn't do video, so this was all audio, so people didn't actually see how it was unfolding.

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Unknown

e end of the day, it was like: 10:00

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Unknown

Just get on board. I said something like that, and I just remember I just remember he just he just gave me this serious nod and we went back back down to Philly, dropped him off and stuff and, to to see where our friendship has evolved from there. I wonder if it would have had that fast track if we didn't open that door of vulnerability on day one, like there was no guarding with each other, like for whatever reason, because I'm a guarded person, like I just generally am.

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Unknown

Especially the longer I do this stuff, I'm just like, not everybody gets the inner circle, you know? Yeah. And and for whatever reason, with this guy, like, maybe, just maybe it was the Philly cheesesteaks that we shared. Philly cheesesteaks that'll do that cheese with, that'd be bringing people together. So the best Philly cheesesteak is not even in Philly.

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Unknown

It's in Pottstown, Pennsylvania at a place called the ice House. And it is just fire. And, but anyways, that day, like, there was, there was a real, there was there was like a spark of a friendship that doesn't happen often for people, you know. And, and so when I made that call to him about Kentucky and he's like, yeah, I'm down.

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Unknown

That's when I was like, this guy's gonna be around for a while, you know? And, and, you know, that's the thing, like, I mean, we we we hear we hear people's opinions on on things, on how we conduct our shows and things like that. But at the end of the day, we just are who we are.

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Unknown

And and we're we're trying to be as authentic as possible. Like what? Like me, put this way, nobody sees all of Tony. But what you see of Tony is really Tony. You know, I'm saying, like like I don't know how to be anything else. And I think you're in the same boat. We're guarded at times, you know, but when we.

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Unknown

When you see us doing our thing, that's really us, you know? And so, for whatever reason, that spark started that day and just, you know, like we've, we've shared so many moments. And what does for how long has it been like four years. Five years? Probably five, five years. I mean, we've shared so many moments of just friendship stuff that like, there's friends have been lifelong friends that don't have that kind of, you know, it's not even just him and I, but it's also word.

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Unknown

It's like us three like like it's it's, it's unique. It really is like. And that's cool, man. We had, each time we wouldn't shut up. But like, we had, we, we had, we had shot a documentary not too long ago. And on that trip, like, I was bugging out on some things, and I just, I opened up to John Ward about, something that I don't think I've ever told anybody, but,

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Unknown

And I'm fine saying it now, but, like, like, I, I. So growing up, I didn't really have a circle of friends. And I never really learned how to cultivate friendships. I was, I was rejected a lot as a kid, socially. And so when as I become an adult and I don't know how to hold on a friend, I don't have lifelong friends, I just don't.

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Unknown

I don't have best friends that I grew up with, none of that. So my life pattern is every 5 to 7 years. I go through a friendship shift and there's like, there's friends. I just fade away and a new set comes in. It's always been like that. And so I told these guys on that trip, I was I was going through some things mentally and I just told me, I said, guys, listen, we're right.

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Unknown

Pretty much at the end of the rope here. Like my my trend is some for some, whatever reason, my friends get escorted out of my life and I bring a new set in. I don't really let people get close. And, we've already gotten closer than I've ever gotten before. Wow. So I had to be vulnerable with them, out in the middle of the woods and, just tell them, like, listen, I don't want that to happen here, but if we don't, if we don't, if I don't open that door of communication now about this, that's what's going to happen.

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Unknown

Well, you know, my best friends, the connections that I've made was in the woods. Like, that's where we formed our tightest bonds with my good, my closest friends that I can still call and hang out with today. When we were in our 20s, you know, my my buddy's mom had a cabin and we would go out and hike and we would make food.

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Unknown

And it was this thing. And it's something about the woods, man. Yeah. It leaves you vulnerable. It's a spiritual place. You know, you're open and you're you're especially if you're hunting dog man or whatever. You guys are running around. Well, and that's beautiful. And I think to with where he and I started and then how fast it grew into what it is now.

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Unknown

And then, you know, it's just constant growth. And now evolution. And you know, even not just with the friend group and how we are as friends evolving, but also just personally how we're evolving as well and what we've moved into from where we started all of this. So it's it's crazy to look back on the beginnings and then see where it's going now.

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Unknown

And to what he said to is, you know, he's real guarded. I'm super guarded. Maybe more than him. Yeah. And for us to meet for the first time and not be that way at all is unique. And I think that you just naturally feel, camaraderie to somebody that's just kind of friendship starts a lot of times. Yeah.

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Unknown

And I think too, he and I have very similar, brains with a lot of stuff because he and I are stupid, driven and, like, how we try to achieve certain things. I think that we have very similar brains with that because we don't want to shut that off. And so it's nice to be able to bounce stuff off somebody who's in that same boat.

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Unknown

Yeah. Can you stop? It can be tough. Yeah, yeah. You get on a phone call with somebody who doesn't have that that gear, and they're like, why would you do it? Why would you do that? Why don't you just. And it's like, no, you don't understand. Like, I don't have the time to go back like ten steps and walk you to how I got here.

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Unknown

Like for instance, this is a very simple example, but how many people like, thought it was logical for us to do a 30 hour drive to Utah? It's like, why don't you fly? Because we got things we need to bring with us here. And it just seems very logical to go on this road trip to this mysterious place.

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Unknown

And there's so many people, there's like, oh, I would never have done that. And it's like, that's why you're out here doing this. Yeah. Like it's just and things don't compute with us, right? So like even we were talking about on the way up here, how, like my wife, I don't do vacation. Okay. So, like, I, I'm, I'm really don't do vacations.

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Unknown

You're, like, miserable on vacation because very. Yeah. So so I'm trying to compromise. And, so my kids want to do the, the new Mario world and at universal. You should do that. I'm gonna. I'm gonna. But here's the thing. I told her that I have some friends with a pretty big show down in Florida. I said, while we're down there, let me hop over to their studio for like, three, four hours, record bangers with them.

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Unknown

Yeah. And then we can do this as a business expense trip. Yeah. And she's like, do you have any way to turn off that gear? And I was like, no, it's not, I don't know, I don't know, like people are like, oh, did you see the movie. No, I didn't see the movie. Why? Because I don't watch movies.

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Unknown

Why? Because I don't do that. Like the for me, fun stuff is sitting at the studio at 1:00 in the morning doing things that like, like, have to get done because I got to work like, that's fun for me. I don't know, I'm a loser. You're making, you're making, and when you're making things, you can't listen to a ton of podcasts or watch a ton, then you get it.

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Unknown

You're doing your own thing, creating your own stuff. We joke all the time about, I don't listen to much podcast wise unless it's I know there's a specific guest or specific topic that I really want to listen to, and there's a handful of people that I listen to when it comes to those things. So it's like I've got time, especially if I'm working out at the gym or something.

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Unknown

I can put that on and do that while I'm there. But I'm also multitasking. You go to the gym when something else you work out couldn't tell.

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Unknown

But yeah, I think that's key. And I hit it off really well early on because we're very similar. And he was talking to my his wife, my girl jokes all the time about Tony and I and how our brains work. He's like a lot of people don't think like you guys. You guys are thinking on a whole different level because you're everything's business, because we're figuring out, okay, if I'm doing this creative thing, how do I turn this into a business?

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Unknown

How do I capitalize on what I'm doing? And I think that's where sometimes we think a little differently than other people in that aspect. And I wasn't always like that, like, I, I was always ever since I was in my early 20s, I was an entrepreneur type person. Yeah. But I listen, I've done anything from Amway to owning my own cleaning company.

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Unknown

What I was, I owned a record label at one point. Like, I've tried so many different things. Right. And I finally found this, but, in the middle of all that stuff, I wasn't like this. Yeah, it was only this that made me like this. And, I think it's because this is the only thing that actually, from the start, had a deeper sense of purpose to it.

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Unknown

And it when it started clicking, I was like, it was like, what is it like? It was like a dopamine hit, you know, I mean, it was just like, oh, I want more of that. I want more of that. And so, like, you know, I, I remember I put my first episode out and after one week it had like 200 listens and I was like, that's bigger than most churches.

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Unknown

th,: 2000

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Unknown

Yeah, it was: 5000

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Unknown

And I was frustrated with that, you know? But but in that process, like it just became this, like, I had a friend, he's still a friend. His name's Phil Anderson. I went to college with him. He's been on my show a couple of times. I think episode 50, he was the first time he's on. He's actually in the intro.

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Unknown

He's the one. It's like. And dude, he slithered over to me. So like, he told me because he had a podcast before, before me and he told me. And it seems so simple to me now as somebody who, like, knows what episodes are being released for the next month and a half, the idea of doing eight weeks straight of releasing a podcast episode was a big deal to me back then, right?

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Unknown

I was like, he said, if you can do eight weeks, you got something cooking. Yeah. And I was like eight weeks. That's two months since I can do this. And yeah, and I was like, when I hit that eight week mark, I was like, I'm podcaster. Yeah. And then we just started cooking and, you know, now I don't even know how many episodes I have is like 700 or something.

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Unknown

But the nice thing is, so I don't know, you and I are a little different. This because we were talking beforehand. You said you're kind of starting to step back into the producer stuff and, like, the post-production and things like that. Yeah. I haven't done post-production on my show since, like, 500 something. Yeah. And I don't desire it when I'm on.

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Unknown

When I'm enjoying it for now. But there's a very short window my my intern shout out to Little Comb. He's going to be taking on a lot of the thumbnail creation and the editing. Right now, he's doing a lot of the, reels and TikToks and kind of short form video editing, so I'm kind of training him up.

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Unknown

But right now it's going to be a very short window where I'm going to be doing these episodes. Right. Like, I'm not. It's no. And which is a lot of reasons why we live. We record live tape. So, you know, shout out to Alex, by the way, Alex, Master Control helped me out, on this episode. But he's it buttons in there, so I don't have a whole lot of editing to do other than put the intro and the outro and then, you know, juicy up the audio a little bit.

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Unknown

But it's one of the nice things of of how we have the studio set up, because we're not doing that traditional editing. If I had to do that, there's no way I'd be editing my show up. It gets to a point where you can't do everything. So I was just talking to another podcaster, earlier this week who is, getting ready to transition into full time, content creation.

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Unknown

And one of his fears was, you know what? If things start dropping off, you know, like, what do I do? And I said, you put out more shows. Yeah. Like that's how you offset. It's like, it's like working a job if you need more money, put in overtime. Right. And, you know, and that's when I brought him.

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Unknown

I was like, it's just at some point you're going to want somebody to help you with production, you know, because you're not going to want to because, I mean, as, as the content creators, like you need time to actually be creative. I'm with you, man. Like that. Like, and that's one thing that I because I'm at a point where we're hitting a ceiling in our organization where I there needs to be some hires made, but we also need the extra income in order to do that.

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Unknown

Yeah. But I'm, I'm hammering people within my team. It's like, listen, guys, like, everybody keeps coming to me with their problems and what needs to get done, or so-and-so said this and how should I handle that? And it's like, these are things that I don't want to be dealing with, because the whole reason why you have a job is because I was creative and you guys are sucking the creativity out of me, right now, like we need to we need to set up a structure that is going to allow me to do what I do best so that you, everybody else can thrive.

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Unknown

And so we're kind of at a point right now where we're trying to figure that out. As somebody who I didn't go to business school, I was a truck driver that turned podcaster. Like, I'm learning as I go. Yeah, but one thing I am definitely learning is that, if you want longevity in this game, you need to have a structure set up that allows you, the creator, to be creative, to be, to be what got people in the room to begin with.

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Unknown

Exactly, exactly. And that's why why I was telling you I was kind of enjoying this process. Because now that I have my hands on almost every aspect of it, then I can take that and start training those people and bringing the fresh blood in to kind of help on the production side of things in the editing. Because I just need to be able to say, hey, this is how I want it done.

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Unknown

Yeah, because right now I'm doing it exactly the way I want it done, which has been freeing and been awesome. I'm on my own deadline. If I don't get the deliverable done, it's on me. I messed up because we didn't have an episode that week. Yeah. So I'm I have to hold myself accountable right now to be able to then take that.

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Unknown

And, and, you know, keep, keep building it out. And getting back to, you know, when we started the show, we the way everything was set up down here and, you know, stoner helps out. He's amazing. He's built all of this beautiful studio. People have no idea. They see they're seeing this. Whatever they're seeing right now, you ain't seen nothing.

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Unknown

Do you guys ever do a behind the scenes tour? Because we we have. I've done. So I'm, on my little Osmo cam. I've walked around and done little streams on Instagram and on X and stuff like that. The tech in here is but far more advanced than what I have. But, you know, that's all. Stone. He's he's a professional video engineer.

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Unknown

That's what he does now. He's he's he's moved on. We've, I'm lucky enough to still have. He was down here last night helping me reimagine some of the things that would be a little bit more, you know, taking some of the tech to me on camera where I can hit buttons and maybe give me a foot pedal, and I can cut cameras and have the audio mixer up at a desk and kind of reimagine some of the.

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Unknown

So not starting over from scratch, but being able to. And we had a great conversation. I got real fired up about kind of like the future of how this studio is just going to become more efficient. That's cool, because right now, my system, like you were saying, you got to have those systems built like I need the thumbnail by this date, I need I'm figuring all that out, to kind of be able to keep expanding out because I'm overwhelmed right now.

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Unknown

I mean, my goal when we came back, we took a break. And during the summer, it's a lot going on personally with the business. All kinds of things happening. Took a break, came back. My goal was to do ten episodes in a row every week or on 12. Wow. And so I've been consistent 12 weeks in a row.

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Unknown

Yeah. And I've been blessed to, you know, get it back on track. Awesome. That's great. That's encouraging to hear. Yeah. What are you going to say? I was just going to say something that you taught me early on about podcasting. Because sometimes early podcasters, when they first start out, they try to do too much. They'll we they'll bite us, right?

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Unknown

We do. And one of the things he told me was one episode a week, make sure you're doing that. We were like, and then once that happens, even when you feel like you have the space to open up and then you can do more if you want to. Yeah, I think it's all about what you can handle too.

00;27;11;09 - 00;27;31;29

Unknown

Yeah. And I think that everybody's got their own platform how they want to build it. But one thing people expect is consistency. On the podcast, because the weird thing with podcasts is you drop off a week like that can mess with the whole algorithm. And then people, we took two months off. Yeah. And that will and it's we're still be DOA real quick when that happens.

00;27;31;29 - 00;27;55;01

Unknown

Yeah. I wonder what would happen if I took a week off. Or two. Like, I've never taken a weeks off and, and sometimes, like, I'm looking at my schedule right now and it's, it's a little thinner than I'd like. And I'm looking around. I'm like, I need to get some heaters going. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess I need to find some heaters here.

00;27;55;03 - 00;28;13;07

Unknown

Before I came up here today, I was looking at the schedule and I was rearranging some things to make sure everything fits for the next few weeks. And I was like, we need some heaters, you know? But then I started thinking, like, what if I just didn't show up? What would happen? The whole thing would fall apart, would it or would it not?

00;28;13;07 - 00;28;28;05

Unknown

I don't know, like, I, I, I listen, there might be a time where I socially experiment with that and I might just not even announce it and just not show up for a week and see what happens. Yeah. I mean, yeah, you got a pretty good crew. Your brother Jack shout out to him. He's great. Yeah, let's not do that.

00;28;28;08 - 00;28;55;05

Unknown

Oh, super nice dude. But yeah, I mean, I, I don't think that the wheels would fall off the track right away, but I think, yeah, you wouldn't want to take too much. No, I wouldn't take too much time. But like, I am like, there's a definite transition with the show over the last few years. And with that transition, I've been brainstorming some of the transition that hasn't been executed yet, but I'm starting to experiment a little bit with these live shows.

00;28;55;06 - 00;29;17;29

Unknown

Yeah, I'm starting to wonder if I just showed up some times and just talked, for the actual show for the week. Yeah, that would go because I've never done that. Yeah. I don't think I have, I think I've, I've done it one time I did that Covid rant and, and people loved that because I got people have no idea like it wasn't on video, but I was standing in my studio with my desk in the elevator so I could stand up, and I was just going off on the mic for like 45 minutes.

00;29;17;29 - 00;29;50;14

Unknown

And that was the best episode ever. I'm like, I don't even believe half the stuff I said then. That now seems like the things have changed so much that like the things that I've said there, I'm like, I don't think I believe that anymore, but, but I've been experimenting with the thought process of maybe, because the thing is, like, there was a time with the podcast where it was just like, like I at one time I had like almost I think there's like around 70 interviews stored that hadn't been broadcast yet because I was so paranoid that I wouldn't have an episode one day.

00;29;50;16 - 00;30;04;12

Unknown

And so I just interviewed interviewed interviewer. It just kept going. And, I'm glad I did that, because when I moved to Tennessee, I didn't have a place to work. So I just went through that whole I ate through all that and I for months, I didn't do an interview. I just ran through that archive that I built up.

00;30;04;14 - 00;30;26;11

Unknown

But, I'm starting to, to, to experiment mentally as to how the future of the show is going to be. And there's definitely been a transition since I started. Like when we started, it was very heavy on, you know, like, I like all I knew was Bigfoot, really. And we it was experiences. And tell me your story and and all that.

00;30;26;11 - 00;30;56;04

Unknown

But as I, as I learned through people's experiences, like, like I'm sitting there interviewing people and I'm like all of that, it's like conversating. But like I'm, I'm picking things up and I'm like, I've heard this before on, in this person's experience when they were talking about Bigfoot, you're talking about grays and like I'm starting to connect dots and I'm starting to develop my own thoughts and opinions or, and over time my thoughts and opinions start coming out and we start having more conversation and and then all of a sudden it's like there's certain things.

00;30;56;04 - 00;31;14;15

Unknown

And then also like when I started the show, I was in a little bit of a dark spot spiritually. I mean, I was always a Christian, but like, I was, I was in the middle of dealing with, some, some social rejection from church folk when it comes to what I was doing. And, and it kind of put me off from the church world for a while.

00;31;14;18 - 00;31;39;07

Unknown

And, as I came back around to understanding that I in order for my faith to to be strong and succeed throughout the rest of my life, I needed to be part of some kind of community. And once I started plugging back in to a community that actually dug what I like, the church that I'm at now in Tennessee, like I walk in the first day, I walk into that church, I meet the pastor before his service and I shake his hand.

00;31;39;07 - 00;31;53;07

Unknown

I'm like, hi, I'm Tony Merkel, this is my wife, Lindsay, my kids. And he goes, I thought that was you. I subscribe to our YouTube channel. I was like, I found my and so like but but because of what I do. So I don't even call my show a paranormal podcast. The more I call it more like a supernatural podcast.

00;31;53;07 - 00;32;15;16

Unknown

Yeah. And I think that anywhere from Bigfoot dog man to demonic things to grace, it has a spiritual, supernatural element to it. And as I have come to understand things through my lenses, and I feel convictions about certain things to show has steered in certain directions, right? So, like, I'm not I'm not really the same person that started the show.

00;32;15;18 - 00;32;32;13

Unknown

I'm just not. And and so the show isn't exactly the same as it was once, and I don't think it will be today what it is today. I don't think it will be in five years. Yeah. If it is around five years, I don't know. Yeah. I don't know what the future holds, but, the show is definitely kind of evolves over time.

00;32;32;15 - 00;33;00;12

Unknown

And, now it's like, I don't want to just run this race to put out an episode and and I think I haven't had to do this yet. This is breaking news. I haven't had to do this yet. But I do think that if it gets to the point where I'm like, I've got an episode that I feel comfortable with for this week, I think I might just fire the microphone up and start talking and see where it goes.

00;33;00;12 - 00;33;21;12

Unknown

Sure. And and you know, I know there's gonna be some people like, I don't do that for an ass. And it's like, well, then maybe come back next week or don't come back at all or whatever. Like, yeah. And I went solo the last two live streams, happenings by myself that was out and it was liberating. Yeah, in a lot of ways, because, you know, it was just it's kind of like put the pressure on myself.

00;33;21;12 - 00;33;46;04

Unknown

I was really prepared. It wasn't like I got to hit all the buttons. I got to do the intro, I'm rolling in the stinger, I'm doing the, And so it was the prep that I put into it, the love that I put into those episodes. They ended up turning out great, and it was, you know, I could just rant and not have to worry about anything else, and I could just get my thoughts out.

00;33;46;07 - 00;33;57;06

Unknown

Yeah. So it was just kind of liberating in a lot of ways to just kind of have that release of like, oh, damn, Mike, you just went off about 30 minutes on JFK and there's a.

00;33;57;08 - 00;34;12;24

Unknown

Where did that come from? I just came from my my gut. And I don't get to do that a lot because we do a lot of interview shows like our Strange Happenings, me and Bob, we go over the what's weird in the world. So those live streams kind of have two shows. So like me just rant and that's a strange happenings.

00;34;12;24 - 00;34;30;24

Unknown

It's not our interview episode. Like like this is kind of your, your sit down. And so, you know I want to hear what you guys have to say. So that's kind of my outlet to like you were saying, what's interesting is I'm sitting here thinking like, we we didn't have any prep, which I love. Yeah. And I think you said something like, we're just, you know, he did some.

00;34;30;26 - 00;34;45;09

Unknown

We're just he can't help myself. No. But like, I think you just said that we're just going to talk and see where it goes. And I'm like, that's that's my wheelhouse. Like, riffing is my wheelhouse. That's why, like, my show is like a riff, you know? Like, that's what it is. Like, I sit down like a boring riff.

00;34;45;16 - 00;35;05;19

Unknown

I tell people all the time, you're are bell in a lot of ways, as are shoes to fill though. But you know, he had his own flavor. But the thing about art that is similar with you is you let people talk. You let people tell their story. You're not sitting there trying to push back. And oh, what part of this, this tale is real?

00;35;05;19 - 00;35;50;14

Unknown

Or poke holes in it in some way, right? It's there. Confession. And it's the perfect name for the show is, you know, you let people and I think it shows to the audience listening that they a lot of times get so many things off their chest. I think for me and what I started with, Free Rabbit, yeah, all was spawned from doing so many different shows, whether it was guest shows or whether it was shows that I ran with other people, where I always felt like I just didn't get everything out that I wanted to say, because I've always got so much research that I knew that when I started my own podcast, I

00;35;50;14 - 00;36;10;06

Unknown

wanted it to be mostly just me, and I told you on the phone the other day how I love your format now, because it is. It's kind of like what I was been doing the the last two. You're much more dialed in as far as your kind of run a show might be, quite a bit more loose, but I was like, that's awesome.

00;36;10;06 - 00;36;30;06

Unknown

I saw through the rabbits on YouTube, you know, a couple months back. And I was like, that's dope. Like, I would like to figure out a way that I can kind of translate something like that. You know, what lurks beneath is a great a great example. And I think you guys, you guys still that format? It's not necessarily what we do.

00;36;30;09 - 00;36;56;03

Unknown

But you need to have that. Yeah. You you do it for me. It's. I do so much research on, like, a specific topic before I do a show. Yeah, I even say that I might get 60% of the research wrong. I still got 40% on the table. And a lot of times, like some of that research will find itself into something else where I'm like, oh, this is where I can use this here.

00;36;56;06 - 00;37;16;20

Unknown

But I still like to sprinkle on the guests because that format, it's good for people to hear the back and forth. And especially if I could bring a guest on who's a little more adept at a specific topic than me, whereas I've got stuff to contribute, but you've got way more knowledge about this, and then we can present it, and it just gives the guests an opportunity to get for an audience.

00;37;16;20 - 00;37;36;19

Unknown

They're not normally in front of somebody like 1 or 1 of those guys that are big mystery, big researchers. Yeah. And I think that was always something that I felt like doing podcasts before I started my own podcast. I just always left so much on the table for I really wanted to get everything I could possibly get out.

00;37;36;20 - 00;38;09;16

Unknown

You're at the mercy of the host. Yeah, sure. And so, like, with somebody like him who does a ton of research and, and like that, there's no there's no grift with this guy. This guy does his research. He's been researching the real deal. And, and so when you're on another podcast and the host is interjecting their thoughts because the host is getting excited about what you're talking about, and if the host like a good, a good guest would like, you're going to let the host of the show lead the conversation so the host leads in another direction.

00;38;09;16 - 00;38;36;15

Unknown

You just go with that flow. It's their show. Yeah, but then it leaves a lot on the table. And so like Free the Rabbits is a great opportunity for him to not only, have an outlet for the world to experience and understand, like true knowledge. Yeah, but it's a great opportunity that's therapeutic for somebody like him to be able to sit down, do the research, and then just, like, vomit it out on the microphone and be like, oh, well, we actually made it to 70% this week.

00;38;36;15 - 00;38;57;17

Unknown

That's great. But you know, and you're not a lot of, I don't know, like, why files love that guy's format. He's got a great show, you know, super polished. I know he's got writers and a whole production team, and it shows. I mean, it's a really well put together show, but, you know, he's definitely got prompter probably happening.

00;38;57;17 - 00;39;19;04

Unknown

You know, he's got a script. Are you. You're not reading anything unless it's like, quoted from something. Right. So you're just going a lot just from do you probably got some notes and stuff. So I've got a lot of. No. Yeah. But typically, you know, I've, I know what I'm talking about. So I've done the research. The notes are there to keep me on that.

00;39;19;07 - 00;39;43;19

Unknown

It's good though when you're sitting there reading reading line by line, it's just not engaging. Right. And you have to make it engaging for the listener. I got probably one of the best comments on Apple the other day, and I thought it was just fascinating. I'm going to put real quick because it's so funny. See, this is where he came from head for.

00;39;43;19 - 00;40;04;23

Unknown

He's like, oh man, I'm going to find a way to work in. But I'm getting my flowers today. People. It make me laugh, but it's actually going to make you guys trip out because of what they said. So it starts with, I'll be honest, I don't believe or even agree with most of what is said, but the theme song is an absolute banger and the topics are interesting.

00;40;04;23 - 00;40;33;04

Unknown

Joel is a charismatic and entertaining host. Yeah, so that is the key is I get a lot of people that listen to the show that have all kind of different viewpoints and some of them get mad with some of the stuff I say, and that's fine. You know, you're allowed to. But at the end of the day, what I try to tell them with the show and that's the whole premise of Free the Rabbit is getting out of the hole and understanding that most of what we're theorizing is literally that.

00;40;33;05 - 00;41;03;17

Unknown

ch we're in, which started in: 2020

00;41;03;19 - 00;41;26;13

Unknown

So I'm trying to break that up and say, listen, you can take that on board and say, like, this is what I think right now because this is how I feel about it. But always leave yourself that window to be able to change your mind with new information. One of the big issues I had with Flat Earth was I'm okay with flat Earth.

00;41;26;17 - 00;41;48;19

Unknown

I'm not flat Earther, but I'm okay with it. I've heard all the arguments. I know there's some guys out there who can go up and down with it. I could go up and down and back to with the opposite argument, but I understand that they believe that the problem is, is when you make it a cult like thing to where now you're fighting with everyone that's against it.

00;41;48;22 - 00;42;06;19

Unknown

The issue is when you're making Flat Earth your first name, that's a problem that but that's not happened with just flat Earth. It's happened with a lot of them. Territory, one on one, a lot of them. The new one. Be start. The new ones. The little season. That's the new one. That's been real hot the past year.

00;42;06;20 - 00;42;25;13

Unknown

So you got all these different theories that people adopt as their religion. Oh, it's a real live flat Earth is definitely. I mean, yeah, the guys that they brought to Antarctica and they watched the 24, our sun go round and I saw that. And then you had the guy basically go, hey, I watched it for myself. Right. Oh, you're a shill.

00;42;25;17 - 00;42;48;03

Unknown

You're a show for how much did they pay you. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, like you said, even if you go back and admit now, as of you're so far in deep that you've got all your subscribers and well, and you're stuck. The best part about that whole experiment that went down? There were several of the top tier theories that were invited.

00;42;48;03 - 00;43;12;21

Unknown

Yes. And they all turned it down. Yeah. The reason they turned it down is the several of them have very expensive apps on the, Apple Store and that they people spend money you on to see how flat earth works as they're walking around. So if they went and it was the the point was proven the opposite, though, it would destroy their monetary gain at that point.

00;43;12;28 - 00;43;31;23

Unknown

But see, that's the problem. These are theories. You should be willing to put those theories up to the test to see whether or not they're true. So the problem, the problem with that is, though, when the theory it becomes your identity because now you're now when the theory is taken away from you and proven false, it's literally taking your identity with it.

00;43;31;25 - 00;43;51;00

Unknown

Yeah. And so like a lot of these guys who are making it their identity, that's that's just the way it goes. I mean, it's in a similar sense to if you want to if I want to be, hold a mirror up and be introspective. Right. Like, it's like I've been very vocal on my show over the years and more so in the last couple of years about my faith.

00;43;51;02 - 00;44;19;22

Unknown

And it's like, that is my identity. I will tell you that. Like, that's my identity. And so, like, I'm not, I'm not, I guess, absent from taking something so serious and making it my identity. But I'm also very, thick skull when it comes to that. And I if that the very bottom. At the very least, I will say this, you're not shaking me off my identity.

00;44;19;22 - 00;44;35;11

Unknown

Yeah. So it's just like it is what it is. But I think that when you have an identity built around a theory like this, that it is possibly able to be proven wrong by a trip to Antarctica. Yeah, it could be a real. It could be a real burner. Yeah. I think that was a problem for some of those guys.

00;44;35;11 - 00;44;56;03

Unknown

And some of them initially said they were going to go, and then they backed off at the last minute. Sure. And again, back to what you said, your identity. And listen, there's nothing wrong with having your identity built into your faith or whatever else. I look at those as a little bit different, because those are catalysts into helping you grow and helping you evolve.

00;44;56;10 - 00;45;16;12

Unknown

But those also aren't theories. Those are a it's a different type of theology. Right? So you've got these theories that are built around things that could be proven wrong. Like people could argue that you could prove God wrong too. There's that arguing for sure. So I get that. The biggest issue is, is just talking about the conspiratorial community.

00;45;16;20 - 00;45;42;13

Unknown

a day back in like the early: 2000

00;45;42;16 - 00;46;01;11

Unknown

Then he'd be like, hey, did you see that thing about the moon? Like not being gray? Oh man, that's nice. And before you know, you're having this whole thing and everybody knows that they don't have the answer, but they know something's not right. The problem is, everybody knows the answer. Yeah, but they really don't. Because you can ask any flat earther to take you to the ice wall.

00;46;01;11 - 00;46;23;07

Unknown

They can't know what's a it's a lack of funds, bro. It's like, well they actually had an opportunity and a lot of them backed out of it. Wasn't there like wasn't it was it Alex Jones that was saying that he'd fund a trip to Edinburgh? Bravo. He was going to fly Eddie Bravo to Antarctica. And he was hammered on the Joe Rogan.

00;46;23;07 - 00;46;41;12

Unknown

They'd probably been drinking whiskey for hours. And he had, like, Eddie Bravo and a headlock. He's like, we're going to, we're going to sit down, dude. Oh, that's the that's one of the best internet moments in the world. Yeah, I I'll tell you what it's like. The best one was when he was on Rogan and I think it was him.

00;46;41;13 - 00;47;06;11

Unknown

It just just, Alex and Rogan talking about the frogs. Yeah. That episode and and he's talking and going and going and going and then interdimensional being. Yeah. And and and at some point there's just like this awkward silence and then he's like, you got to understand something. I'm a little retarded. It's it's like, that's a pretty good Alex.

00;47;06;13 - 00;47;23;24

Unknown

You it's pretty good. Well, you know, I, I practice lot. I'm sort of retarded, right? Yeah. I, I lost a listener when I said that line on my show. They said, I can't believe you said that word. I'm like. And back then, I didn't know how to handle, people's opinions on the of me. Like, I was also new.

00;47;23;24 - 00;47;40;11

Unknown

I was like, oh, I feel bad. I heard this person's feelings and stuff and, like, I don't want to hurt people's feelings, but I'm just like, I'm not responsible for your feelings. Yeah, like, if I was responsible for your feelings, it means I'm responsible for your feelings and tens of thousands of other people's feelings. And none of you guys can agree.

00;47;40;16 - 00;48;02;08

Unknown

And you want me to make you all happy, right? I can't do it right. I'm not going to set out to be a jerk. And I'm definitely not setting out to be vulgar or anything like that. But if I say something that upsets somebody, it it's part of the job, really. I mean, it's going to happen. Yeah. And that's like at the end of the day, when it comes to any of these conspiracy theories, I have no problem with people believing whatever they want to believe.

00;48;02;09 - 00;48;24;04

Unknown

Sure. My biggest issue is, is when you say you have it figured out for a fact. Yeah, that's the problem, because now you're fighting people over something that I know you can't prove. You can say a million ways from Sunday that, oh, I've got the math figured out and I've got this done or whatever, but you don't your math, you got from someone else, just like you say.

00;48;24;04 - 00;48;49;09

Unknown

These people on the other side of the coin got their information from someone else. Yeah, that's the problem is, is people, when they adopt something is their identity. If someone believes differently than them, their information is false. Oh, you got deceived. You didn't leave yourself the window to. Maybe you are also being deceived. And I think we all have to allow ourselves to have that mentality with any of these theories.

00;48;49;09 - 00;49;08;10

Unknown

Sure. And I do that all the time, and I've changed my mind over just the past four years on many things. Man, I've been after this since I was, you know, 18, 19 years old. The first time I ever heard about the Illuminati was around a campfire at a music festival when I was 18 years old. What is that?

00;49;08;10 - 00;49;30;01

Unknown

And this guy just had me. And the only thing I had heard of was the JFK conspiracy right at that point. And then 9/11 happened shortly after that and was like going back and that guy around that campfire always. And I sat there and he told me about the secret societies and this kind of underground darkness that, you know, the deep state, essentially.

00;49;30;03 - 00;49;48;11

Unknown

And it just absolutely had me and and I was, I was in and in, like you said, people used to sit around and talk about this thing. Right? But I think people were more open, like people that haven't been people that ridiculed me ten years ago. I can talk to them now about a lot of things that came around.

00;49;48;11 - 00;50;08;27

Unknown

I've had people call me during Covid and during Epstein and apologized to me because I had knocked down, drag out arguments about pedophile islands and, and all the, you know, these guys that are and like, you know, the Epstein and even used Epstein in some cases as an example. And they were like, how did you know about that back then?

00;50;09;01 - 00;50;29;13

Unknown

Yeah. You know, reading tea leaves and recognizing patterns. Well, and I even knew about Wexner, you know, Wexner right here in Columbus, right here in Columbus. Right. There's his name right there in the Nationwide Children's Hospital. The Wexner Medical Center is right down the road, dude, and go to OSU. Their name is everywhere. Did he would have been my Epstein.

00;50;29;13 - 00;50;45;25

Unknown

addy back in, like, oh, yeah,: 2005

00;50;45;25 - 00;51;04;07

Unknown

And that's why you're saying that like, no, no. Are you not seeing what I'm seeing when he's with these children and he's acting different? You could pick up those signs. And now it's so funny that it's all changed. As soon as it hit mainstream, all those same people got quiet. Then they're all making jokes. Everybody else? No daddy.

00;51;04;11 - 00;51;28;03

Unknown

And then they kind of got all, you know, very solemn around the people they were making fun of. Yeah, but you see that a lot. It's even with like you were just talking about Covid, a lot of info that came out in the past year or two about things that hurt people during that period of time. And I found that instead of apologizing, all those people just get quiet and act like you never had, oh, they never said, yeah, there's a lot of that.

00;51;28;05 - 00;51;45;03

Unknown

Yeah. The people that that's rare, the people that have called me and go, wow, how did you know about this? Sorry, I ridiculed you. Not saying like, oh, I don't need to be right. But I know back then I'm not crazy, right? I've looked in too deeply. Like I was telling Tony earlier, I had to get out of the conspiracy.

00;51;45;06 - 00;52;08;12

Unknown

It was messing with my head. That's when I started getting into ancient civilizations, which led me more to like looking into deep history and spirituality and like, you know, a lot of different things that kind of coalesced with the paranormal and the UFO phenomenon that I was already into. And the brand The Strange Road is, is, for me to what's probably hurt us is that we haven't gone niche.

00;52;08;12 - 00;52;32;18

Unknown

Right. And one thing I'm not a cryptid podcast. I want to talk about everything. I'm just trying to be me and pursue my passions and interests. If I go niche and only talk about one thing, I could probably grow a lot quicker. But I just don't want to do that happy dude, I long term, you know, we have no all kinds of people on from all different walks, and that's the way I like it.

00;52;32;20 - 00;52;44;27

Unknown

But I wanted to talk to you guys about, like, we can get to one thing. I actually wanted to ask a question. Now, you guys came in like, I don't I don't know what your timeline is, but you can see we can go. We can keep going. And I feel like we I don't know how long we can go.

00;52;44;28 - 00;53;06;13

Unknown

I feel like we hijacked the show. So I got it all. Let's get to the interview now. Yeah. Ready? Go! Action! Now, what's vulnerable? Our, I guess, you know, week. Joe, we had you on around the time that you guys were filming Shape of Shadows. Oh, and that that film is is fantastic. You know, the expedition dog man.

00;53;06;13 - 00;53;24;10

Unknown

But I'd like to talk a little bit about, Shape of Shadows and then get into the most recent, the Sasquatch. The missing man. Am I saying that's that's correct. Right. Sasquatch in the missing man. Sasquatch in the missing man. But, you know, Shape of Shadows. For those of you that don't know, you guys were filming in the area of the.

00;53;24;10 - 00;53;41;19

Unknown

You went to basin, which is kind of adjacent to the Skinwalker Ranch. We're right next to it. You're right next to the property lines. Me. So talk to me about filming out there. Some of the the thing, and you guys should all go out and see this, both of those documentaries, miracle films, dot com. Miracle films, dot com.

00;53;41;19 - 00;54;12;29

Unknown

You heard it here. But talk to us a little bit about what that was like getting out to those remote regions in, in the process of the people that you interviewed and how all that kind of unfolded. Well, I mean, I'm gonna be honest, doing that documentary was not my number one choice, you know, everybody, everybody, when we were talking, we were discussing what the next one would be after Exodus and Dog Man.

00;54;13;02 - 00;54;42;26

Unknown

This came up and I was like, I'm not feeling this one, but it's a hot topic. Skinwalker ranch. Yeah, people like it, you know, all that. And I also had a connection. I had a friend, Ryan, who owned the property that bordered it, and I was like, all right, let's go do it. You know? And, we go out and we we the first thing we do, like, before we even get there, we get a phone call saying that they, in broad daylight caught a UFO on film.

00;54;42;29 - 00;55;04;02

Unknown

And so like that just ended up like I was like, okay, I'm ready now, you know? Yeah. Let's, let's get the big guy down here really quick. Great. We're we're ready to go now. So, because there is excitement waiting for us, and, you know, I wish that was a second, second one we did. And I think we're used to it.

00;55;04;02 - 00;55;22;22

Unknown

Now, there's a there's one that I think you and I are probably more excited several that we're more excited about that haven't been out yet. Yeah. And some of it we can talk about today for sure, but, that one, it was like we're going out there and there's no this is the second documentary I'm putting out.

00;55;22;24 - 00;55;42;16

Unknown

There's no game plan. There's no like that. And we still operate like this too. And we're actually getting back to this now. But it's like, that's what we just. Because, dude, we just want to put ourselves in the environment where known things happen, exist there for an extended period of time and let it unfold around us. We don't go out there.

00;55;42;16 - 00;56;16;01

Unknown

We're not trying to, bring a Ouija boards with us or anything like that, you know, and, and we'll we'll do experiments from time to time. Yeah. For sure. Right. And I think that. But you at least have some people that lined up to interview potentially on that one. They work that out while you work. While we were driving out there, going around collecting people, you know, doesn't have much that could be where the juice is because you've kind of synchronistic fallen in your lap of getting some of those folks on camera and in a, in something like a documentary like that, you can always reverse script it.

00;56;16;04 - 00;56;37;16

Unknown

You go out and shoot everything, get all your, get all your, your, your soundbites and kind of, you know, scripted into story, based off of, you know, run and we call that run and gun, baby. Wouldn't you say, though, that it seems like every time we go out, it's like the phenomenon is waiting for us. It's like.

00;56;37;16 - 00;57;01;01

Unknown

It's like we don't need to go out there and hope something's going to happen. It's like we already know. It's not that we know. It's just in hindsight, like after the trip is done, we're like, that's like almost like it was waiting for us. And it feels like that, doesn't it? Yeah, it does. And I know probably there's a handful people out there right now like they're manufacturing it, that's why.

00;57;01;03 - 00;57;23;12

Unknown

But it can't change everybody's mind. You can't. But at the end of the day, we do try to approach anything we do ethically and honestly. One of the new films we got coming out in a couple of months, you're going to see that first hand. Yeah. An actual. Sighting and then the testing of the sighting. That's all I'm going to say, because I don't want anybody to know exactly what's going on.

00;57;23;12 - 00;57;47;25

Unknown

But you'll get to see the process of the checks and balances that we do, because that's something that we try to rule everything out before we buy on my I don't know, that was weird. Like, that's could be this or that could be whatever. We try to do that because it's important to. And we shot two films last year that we are absolutely through the roof for.

00;57;47;28 - 00;58;09;28

Unknown

We got one coming out in a few months called the Meadow Project. And it's built around the book called The Meadow Project. And we went out there with that team. We had to sign NDAs to go out to this area, and nobody's allowed out there. You have to be a serious researcher to even get an audience with this team, to be able to go out there privately owned property.

00;58;09;28 - 00;58;42;18

Unknown

Yeah, like the guy, the guy that came up, he came up to Tennessee to meet us, to put us through his, non-disclosure setting vetting process. Yeah, like he brought the legal paperwork, all that stuff. And so it was a big it was a big hoops jumping session, you know, and I'm not saying that disparagingly. It was it was the process they set up and, and, you know, we went down there and, it was magical.

00;58;42;21 - 00;59;03;04

Unknown

Yeah. That's all you can describe it. It's like not I don't even want to say mysterious, because mysterious almost gives it, like a spooky vibe. It was like it was it had this, like, not in a fantasy way, but just a magical feeling about it. And, it was it was it was good. It was very eye opening for me in certain ways.

00;59;03;04 - 00;59;25;02

Unknown

And you get to see that on camera about what I kind of went through during that film. But just the connections that we had with the team that was out there, all the different things they did, and the fact that people are going to get to see some of the footage that they took. Years ago that they've talked about on camera, that's going to be a part of the film, too.

00;59;25;04 - 01;00;05;22

Unknown

So it's going to be very interesting for everyone to see all of this old footage that they've talked about, they've never shown, plus all the new stuff that we got while we were out there. So it's going to be a wild ride. And then we spent an entire month in August shooting, really a pet project of mine I did almost nine months of research on was this interesting connection that I have of Aleister Crowley and his connection to cryptids, and how that his time in the States, what we know of his time in the States, because I've got some wild connections with him being a secret agent of, British intelligence.

01;00;05;22 - 01;00;25;12

Unknown

Yeah, absolutely. So there are plenty of documents out there or missing documents of him being, no doubt a secret agent up until he died, which is even crazier. So I found some interesting connections with that, plus his connections with the occult. And we were able to tie in Isaac Wise hop and tie and whammy all into that in just in England into that.

01;00;25;18 - 01;00;45;29

Unknown

And then we had several interviews of people went to every location at the Mellon. Hands were seen, we had interviews of people in every location that had seen Wild stuff. Plus, when we went to Michigan, probably had one of the wildest experiences that we've caught on camera ever in that location broad daylight, broad daylight, which is even wilder.

01;00;46;00 - 01;01;05;20

Unknown

So that film comes out in August, September of this year too. So we've got some wild films that are on the way this year, in addition to what we already have out there right now. Yeah. So like, one of the things moving forward, just maybe the clear of confusion for this conversation, are people listening? Merkel media stepped away from film production.

01;01;05;23 - 01;01;25;23

Unknown

Okay, so the last two documentaries shot were done through, Ford's production company, Dark Hollow. Right? Yeah. He's taking over the production. Yeah. It's called Meet and Water. He's a great dude. Shout out to award. We had a really awesome conversation that Bigfoot Jamboree and just kind of geeked out over gear and production. He's one of the coolest cameras and.

01;01;25;24 - 01;01;43;22

Unknown

Yeah, yeah, awesome. I'm very happy that you have somebody like him to help you on the production side. Yeah, that is so important. It's huge. And then even like, chose you to for you to be on camera. Talent. Yeah. You and Joel to be on camera town. Exactly. And be kind of the face of the whole production. Right.

01;01;43;22 - 01;02;12;13

Unknown

And that's all. I mean, like, we like you. So doing all this stuff, you you make you make some misses. Yeah. You know, you swing, you miss on some things and, don't. I'm not saying the first three were misses, but, you're not always meant to do everything. Yeah. You know, and when, production became an option for film on the table for me, I just automatically default to, like, oh, that must be the next step.

01;02;12;13 - 01;02;39;00

Unknown

And I grabbed it and ran with it. Yeah. And that's fine. But if something is making you miserable, then. Then. And he was miserable, let me tell you, it's not for everybody. Like I, I literally I for about three casting and production like we're production guys. So we started a podcast. We knew how to do all of the stuff that you see here.

01;02;39;00 - 01;03;01;12

Unknown

Yeah. We just didn't know the podcasting game. Yeah. People like Joel and Mystery and J and and another guy here in town, Ross Tyson, who's had a great show here, a local show, and for four years gave us a lot of great insight and advice, but is like, yeah, we could crush production all day, but you got to figure out how to be consistent and and understand the podcast game.

01;03;01;12 - 01;03;21;25

Unknown

So it's like, you know, you're a great podcaster, but going out and like, shout out to you for even trying it and taking the bull by the horns because, you know, maybe you wouldn't be doing that now what you're doing if you didn't. Yeah, I mean, I, I think, if I, if I enjoyed it, I, we could have just kept going that route and I don't think anything would be bad.

01;03;21;27 - 01;03;52;02

Unknown

Yeah. But I mean, I literally spent like 3 to 4 weeks, at church, everybody's, you know, saying goodbye to each other, going home. And I was sitting there in a pew just staring at the front of the of the sanctuary, hating my life. Yeah. I was like, I think I'm going to quit everything. Like, I was telling Lindsey for weeks, I was like, I think we're going to sell the house and we're going to get maybe like a couple acres, get a trailer, and we're just going to we're going to farm and we're just going to homeschool the kids and sail off in the sunset like I was that miserable.

01;03;52;02 - 01;04;12;20

Unknown

I was ready to throw it all away. Wow. Everything. Wow. And, it wasn't until, I was sitting there and it just dawned on me that it was like. It was like God spoke to me and said, I never called you to to be in film production. I called you to be a podcaster. Yeah. And podcasting is something that you can't just quit.

01;04;12;20 - 01;04;28;28

Unknown

That's not a job. You just quit. I'll let you know when you're done. Yeah. And so it kind of realign things in my mind. It's like I had to take film production away from the table and push it away. And if nobody else wanted to run with it, then it was just going to die. If somebody else wanted to take it on.

01;04;28;28 - 01;04;47;05

Unknown

Like Ward, who's I think the only other person in the team that was had the ability to do it. Great. But I wasn't going to be doing it anymore. And since that decision, which was what, a year ago, I think last April, around the time you figured it out, around the time we were in Washington DC up there.

01;04;47;05 - 01;05;09;02

Unknown

Yeah, shooting a podcast. And I remember you telling me, like, I pretty much get my mind I'm going to step away from this part. Yeah. And and I, I, since then taking that step back and falling back in line to what the original call my life has been, has opened up the door. And. Sorry, this is getting spiritual for your show.

01;05;09;02 - 01;05;37;16

Unknown

I don't know, I just I'm just saying, like, I, our show is open. Okay, cool. So, like, like, so long story short, I was like, God called me into podcasting, okay? And. And once I took a step back into that original placement that he put me in, I started having peace. I started finding joy again. And then there was an expansion of what I'm being called to do.

01;05;37;18 - 01;06;00;07

Unknown

And that's where we find myself today, where it's like, I am a podcaster. But God is also bringing me into a whole other line of, of literal ministry, like. Yeah, like in two weeks I'm preaching at my church. Cool. I'm becoming I'm this I, God is calling me into evangelism. And so there's going to be a whole other chapter that's going to be unfolding.

01;06;00;07 - 01;06;24;27

Unknown

I don't know when I don't have that yet. Yeah. But I know there's there's things that are like, for instance, this past week I was just down in Dallas, from Sunday to Wednesday filming a TV show that was, filmed with three pastors. It's the four pastors and me. And, it was it's called The Counter. And they were going into a bunch of different topics, but some of it was aliens, portals, dreams.

01;06;25;00 - 01;06;46;22

Unknown

And they brought me in because that's the wheelhouse. Yeah. And so, like, there's this thing where it's like, God is really showing me that the path is not as narrow as it used to be, is being widened. And I do not believe that I would be in that position today if I was still doing pushing this production thing.

01;06;46;23 - 01;07;03;13

Unknown

Sure. Because that's not what I was meant to do. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And to that point. But you're still doing production. I mean, you're still a producer. You're still a part of all of the films, like there's no way you you can't be. But I just get to show up and have fun now. Yeah. That's great.

01;07;03;15 - 01;07;24;09

Unknown

And to that point, early on, when the production went to Tony Ward actually felt like that. He was supposed to do that. Yeah, but it just wasn't the right timing. But then when this shook out, Ward said, yeah, this is what I was supposed to do all along. Yeah. And I'm telling you, it's never run smoother. It Ward's got everything where it needs to go.

01;07;24;12 - 01;07;44;16

Unknown

We're all working together. We have meetings once a week leading up to films. We all know what we're doing. We're all very cohesive now. Everything's just moving the way it should. And to Tony's point, yeah, the first three films were great, but we feel like this next batch of films we've shot about for now, since then, they're all just kind of in the banks being worked by.

01;07;44;18 - 01;08;02;10

Unknown

We got a ton of editors now too, so we got a bunch of stuff going on. Yeah, they're going to be a whole nother level of production, and I've seen some of it, and I'm talking like we're talking Discovery Channel type documentaries, history channel type documentaries, like because of the guys we have on board now, like don't even don't even be surprised.

01;08;02;10 - 01;08;20;14

Unknown

Like, I honestly believe this, I 100% believe this, that the quality that is going to be put out is going to be getting the attention of like, places like Netflix. Sure. And I wouldn't be surprised if Netflix knocked on Ward's door and said, we need to talk business. And, God bless word. I hope it I hope it happens like I really do.

01;08;20;14 - 01;08;42;24

Unknown

I really hope Ward lands some kind of big deal with like Amazon, Netflix, something like that. Because the quality that we're going to be putting out is literally that level. Like I'm talking from cinematography to the audio to the content. That's great man. I'm telling you, I think of it this way. Think of it this way. You know how when you watch the adventure stuff like, Monster Quest, right?

01;08;42;25 - 01;08;59;18

Unknown

Yeah. Like, so back in the day, you're watching Miser Quest. The best part of that show is the person's experience, right? Yeah. And they're sharing their experience. And then the team goes out and, you know, watching them and stuff like Take That and every little piece of those TV shows that, that you can't even quite identify yet, but, you know, there's a piece missing in your soul from it.

01;08;59;18 - 01;09;20;17

Unknown

Like, you're like, they just didn't quite hit something. Yeah. That's because of network producers. Oh yeah. We don't have that hundred percent like you literally take guys who are dreamers. You drop them in the middle of the wilderness and say, go hunt monsters. And that's what you get to experience. And they're not going to mess up the post-production and the storytelling when right to post to make your final edits.

01;09;20;21 - 01;09;43;05

Unknown

And that's another thing, is that one of the editors, the the main editor that that Ward brought on, he was a fan of my show. I met him at another conference. He worked for a very large person. I'm not going to drop the name here, but found himself at the perfect timing, a free agent, and he started his own company, and now he is the main editor.

01;09;43;11 - 01;10;10;29

Unknown

So we have somebody who is literally editing this stuff who understands the content, understands our faith background, is in the same boat and is insanely talented. Like, this is literally like just the perfect scenario. That's amazing. I mean, that's all you can ask for to be able to have. You're on the right track. I mean, that's when you know you're on the path, when people like that are falling into your falling on your path, and then it becomes a part of what they're supposed to do.

01;10;10;29 - 01;10;30;29

Unknown

And, you know, you have that kind of harmonious thing. Yeah. That's happening. You can feel it deep down in your bones. I 100% agree. You know, that's how it felt when we were kind of coming up shooting concerts and festivals and how we kind of formed our team of production. It just the way that we all met and then worked together for years.

01;10;30;29 - 01;10;49;04

Unknown

And then, you know, we all kind of went our separate ways. And, you know, of course I'm doing this now, but it was like that magical feeling. You're like, that guy is unbelievable. That guy is unbelievable. You know, I was running that little live concert TV show years back and just the team, you know, and that's really,

01;10;49;06 - 01;11;12;11

Unknown

I'm envious, but I'm happy. So happy for you guys. But that's, you know, where I'm trying to take my next step. Also is, is just to be able to, you know, have those type of people that come in contact and the path that I'm going right now. But it's, it's, it really is. And I can't wait for those new movies to come out.

01;11;12;11 - 01;11;30;08

Unknown

Dude can we tell the one story. Can we tell them one story. You think what one story. The the, the the one, the one that you and I went through together. Can we tell that story? You think that's one of the films that won't come out? So probably next year, right? So people can have it. We can talk it.

01;11;30;11 - 01;11;47;17

Unknown

Well, we can talk about it because you and I have I think we talked about it, shown it. I showed it at the, last festival. You were at the one that crypts of the Corn Bigfoot Jamboree. Yeah. I took that clip and showed it there to people. Nice. So, yeah, I don't see why we can't talk about that.

01;11;47;19 - 01;12;01;28

Unknown

It's funny, because now I have to ask that question because it's not my production picture. I don't I don't want to I don't want something. It's an issue. I've talked to word about it, and I know that that particular film's got way more to it than just that. Yeah. Yeah. That's a that's a that's a story that still needs to be written.

01;12;02;00 - 01;12;36;15

Unknown

it? Yeah. Okay. It started in: 1985

01;12;36;15 - 01;13;06;07

Unknown

We were we were trying to figure out if this was, going to be something that we it was, the front end of it, like, is literally irrelevant at this point. Okay. We find ourselves in a location where it was high activity for many years and, just even that day, we're going down there. And I called up a guy I knew in the area, and I told him what we were doing.

01;13;06;07 - 01;13;28;21

Unknown

So he went out on a motorcycle out into the woods and rode around just to do some scouting for us. And sure enough, that day he is coming down a hill and he slams on his brakes because he's there. It was like a valley. And as he hit this valley, water collects down there and it was real muddy.

01;13;28;23 - 01;13;48;19

Unknown

And there was this big, big dog print, canine print. Okay. So yeah, prey bite like that. Yeah, it was huge. It was huge. And he, he slams on his motorcycle breaks, he hops off, he takes pictures. If he was on a cycle, he probably wouldn't. If he wasn't on a motorcycle, he probably would have never seen that.

01;13;48;23 - 01;14;12;04

Unknown

Was that just because he's in the car, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, because he's on his motorcycle. He probably. So this was all off road. He was out in the woods. Oh, yeah. He his his dad had passed away and left. Left him a Honda motorcycle. And you just take it off roading. And so he was out there and he sees this, and he sends me a picture of it, and I think he even casted it, and,

01;14;12;06 - 01;14;37;04

Unknown

Yeah. And so we're like, okay, something's fresh. Like it was a fresh print. Like the mud was wet. It wasn't dry mud. And, by the way, this is the same area that Scott Carpenter caught. The dog man looking at him behind. Yeah. This is the one with the famous picture. That's online everywhere with the dog man just looking behind the tree at him.

01;14;37;06 - 01;15;02;27

Unknown

So this is in the area where we're at. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah. So there's known historical dog site lots historical. You guys got pulled there from this. Yeah. Guy that come to do. And so we go there and, I'm battling an upper respiratory infection. I didn't know it at the time, but, I was really sick. And my wife told me that when I was done with this trip, she's like, you are going to collapse.

01;15;03;00 - 01;15;22;23

Unknown

And she was right. But, that night, it was probably like 2:00 in the morning. 3:00 in the morning. And I was not feeling it. I was spitting a lot. Just a lot of mucus. And, Joe and I. And it was pretty dead as a pretty dead night. I'll say.

01;15;22;26 - 01;15;50;06

Unknown

Sorta. So when we first got there, there was a weird instance that happened where Tony saw, like, a blue looking orb that was dancing behind the truck when we first parked there. So we see that I get out and I hear what sounds like a woman singing in the woods. So I follow around and I look to the right.

01;15;50;08 - 01;16;08;11

Unknown

The trail, and I can see the blue or. But when I saw it, it just literally like. And it's like it just sparked. You can see spark and disappeared. And then I could hear the singing going on in the woods, and that was super weird. So Tony was like, man, we just seen some weird stuff that was initially so we knew something weird was going on.

01;16;08;13 - 01;16;31;08

Unknown

's, you know, probably around: 1130

01;16;31;10 - 01;16;55;16

Unknown

So as I'm leaving the carrying bacon. As I'm leaving the fire and walking, something is parallel to me in the woods. Parallel. I can hear it. So that happened to you, me and Jack. When we went out, there were no cameras that one night. Because we're a glutton for punishment. So we went back just for fun. Right. And that happened again.

01;16;55;16 - 01;17;16;04

Unknown

Or something crossed the path behind us when we were walking like something went right behind us. Right? So it reminded me of and this is going to tie into something you asked earlier with Sasquatch in The Missing Man. When I went by myself that last night and went up to where Wes had his encounter, the similar thing happened to me.

01;17;16;04 - 01;17;36;06

Unknown

Something tracked me and was parallel, thudding all the way up to where he had his experience. So this was I wasn't, you know, this wasn't abnormal because I've already had this happen before. So I'm walking, but I can hear it. And when I stop, it stops. Same thing all the way down. So I go way out of the line of sight of them, and I can hear it.

01;17;36;13 - 01;17;57;07

Unknown

And I get to a certain point and I can feel something watching me, but I can't see anything. So at this point I'm going to go on back up there, meet with them and knights kind of dragon. We're not having a whole lot happen outside of the weird little orb thing that happened early, and then the darting in and like when you're out there, it's like you have an adrenaline when you first get there.

01;17;57;08 - 01;18;24;11

Unknown

You have a day, week night full of experts, expectation, fantasies, dreams are running through your mind, and then reality sets in and things are dull that night and you're just like, well, this sucks, I'm cold. I, I'm sick, my brother's here, and for some reason I want to punch him in the face like you got like, bang. It was just like, you're just like, I just not.

01;18;24;13 - 01;18;44;25

Unknown

You're just not feeling it. It's just like this. This is dead. And. And you hate that, right? Yeah. And we were at the last straw. That was it. It was. It was cruising in around 2 a.m., and it was just almost there. Maybe early, maybe it was 1 a.m., I can't remember, but it was I think it was a little later than one.

01;18;44;25 - 01;19;20;00

Unknown

I think it was at least two. And I remember we were about to pack it up. Yeah. I remember Ward saying, let me paint this picture. Night, guys. Yeah. So I was getting ready and Joel is standing out towards like on one side of the fire, facing like the deep of the woods. And he's standing there just watching and I'm, I really am like not wanting like I'm like, I hate my life right now.

01;19;20;02 - 01;19;47;26

Unknown

Okay. And there are some grumblings about wrapping it up or what should we do? And Joel's just zoning out and we were all tired. And I walked up to him and I said, you want to go out one more time? And he's like, yeah, yeah, I'll go if you want to go, I'll go. And it was like that kind of enthusiasm, like that's like, that's literally how the energy level was just like, you're up for it.

01;19;47;26 - 01;20;13;29

Unknown

I'm up for it. Yeah. I walk around aimlessly one more time. And it's nothing. And I remember telling you before we took off, I was like, there's this one trail. For some reason, it caught my eye the few times I had passed it. We had passed it several times during the day, like I seen it. And for some odd reason, it caught my eye and it was on the same side is where it heard the thudding.

01;20;14;01 - 01;20;32;19

Unknown

So I mentioned to him I was like, you know, we should just go off in there if we run across it. So what we did, you're talking about the trail trail. The trail trail. So what we did is we we went down this, like, very broad trail, and we went down to where the casts were made that day.

01;20;32;21 - 01;20;55;25

Unknown

And we were standing around this spot where the cast was made. It was just one cast. I shouldn't say cast. It was one cast, one print, which is interesting. And at that location, there is a trail going off in this direction and a trail going off in this direction. And so Logic's is this footprints going this direction.

01;20;55;27 - 01;21;17;07

Unknown

So let's go down there, see what's up. So we went down that trail and we followed it all the way down to the river. Did. And we're just like, okay, come back, go back. And we're at this point in my mind, I feel like I'm we don't have a cameraman with his words that back at base camp, we went out with the night vision camera, handheld kind of vloggy style.

01;21;17;13 - 01;21;40;24

Unknown

Yeah. I've got one, like point behind me, kind of like Scott Carpenter. So if anyone knows we've adopted this Scott Carpenter method, and this is by his son's own blessing. Yeah. He actually gave us Scott Carpenter's own rig that we've taken out. Interesting on these missions. So basically the way that rig works is it sits on a gimbal behind you.

01;21;40;24 - 01;22;02;28

Unknown

So it's always stable. Yeah. So it's always this one wasn't though. That's was the night vision. Right. So we just had to like we just jerry rigged it and put it like on my sonic Panasonic camcorder on his shoulder. Like that'll do it. Oh you know, it really paints a picture. Have been there. So like, we, I wasn't reclined here.

01;22;02;28 - 01;22;27;28

Unknown

I was getting comfy. So we, so at this point in my mind, I'm thinking we're just getting B-roll right now, like this. Literally nothing going on. And, you're irritated because you're just like, I don't want to be out here. Yeah, especially nothing's happening. And so we come back out to the main trail, and then we start to go down the opposite trail on the other side, and we quickly realize, ain't nothing large come through here anytime soon.

01;22;27;28 - 01;22;45;22

Unknown

It was all overgrown. It was going to be a pain in the butt to even go through. And quite honestly, we were tired and we were like healthy us with energy. Sure. Right now, absolutely not. It's going to be fruitless. So, we backed out of that after probably like 15, 20ft and, started heading back to base camp.

01;22;45;22 - 01;23;10;13

Unknown

We're like, okay, well, this was just a bummer. And then we came across that trail. Yeah. And so as we're walking to this spot, actually, that's the trails talking about. And Tony say, hey, you want to go down like, yeah. Like we came out here and I mentioned the trail earlier. Why not? So again, this is on the side where I've been hearing the thudding that followed me earlier.

01;23;10;15 - 01;23;31;26

Unknown

So as soon as we dip into that trail, boy, the stink hit us. I'm talking the smell. Describe what you smell. What did just smell like a wet dog? It just smelled. Those are the reports. And it just immediately hit him. And I skunky two. Right. Very. This just you could taste it. There's like. Yeah it was like musty.

01;23;31;29 - 01;23;48;09

Unknown

It was mostly but the thing was it would go in and out. It wasn't steady. It was like almost as if it was. I don't think this is the case. I personally, I don't think this is the case. Maybe you disagree, but I don't think it it was almost as if it was crossing the trail in front of us, taking the scent with it.

01;23;48;11 - 01;24;07;12

Unknown

I don't think that's the case because we at that time, I think we had the lights on and we had night vision. I didn't see anything. But then again, with what happened earlier, maybe it was the rise of the, but I so as we're doing this and the smell is coming in and out, it ain't doing me any favors.

01;24;07;14 - 01;24;25;21

Unknown

I've been swallowing mucus all day long. I can't smell much, I can't, I could smell that. I could smell, oh, I could smell it. Yeah, yeah. And but but I was getting sick to my stomach. Yeah. And I don't know how far we went in, but I went deep. Yeah. Because we just kept going. Yeah. And they came in like what, three times.

01;24;25;21 - 01;24;45;26

Unknown

2 or 3 times, 2 or 3 times. But it was heavy, man. And the only other time I've smelled that smell was during Sasquatch in The Missing Man, when we felt like we were surrounded by whatever it was and it smelled the exact same, we got to tell the story that didn't make the film for that. Then with you and me at the RV.

01;24;46;01 - 01;25;04;28

Unknown

Oh, yeah, we'll talk about that too. There's a whole piece of that film that if it doesn't get caught on film, it didn't happen. It didn't happen. So. So the smell is and we've talked about this so many times with B Mills and, you know, a lot of other Bigfoot researchers and and the smell. So you captured a canine print though.

01;25;05;00 - 01;25;28;01

Unknown

But now you're having an experience where you're in a Sasquatch area. Yeah, it is a Sasquatch area too. So but it's both it's both a dog man print potentially. Who knows. So you've got maybe a squatch. So. So I will in this trail with you, I'll say I look at the topics there. The lines are very blurred at this point.

01;25;28;01 - 01;26;00;28

Unknown

Total like, I just like, if you're like, oh, this is squatch turn like. And dog man and grays and fairies and orbs, you know, like, maybe Jesus too, I don't know. Yeah, yeah. It's just like anything can happen. And so, and we're in that kind of an area for sure. And it's a good. The blue orb is interesting, like you guys had talked about earlier, because we had a blue experience outside in a cabin right outside of Serpent Mound, and it's fallen to the trees.

01;26;00;28 - 01;26;17;08

Unknown

And our artist buddy that did all of this is like, I don't know, man. That's probably headlights. I'm like, no, there's no cars. There's no road over there. And it's going in and out of the trees. And I started getting hairs on the back of my neck going, whoa. I started panic a little bit. I'm like, that's not what I signed up for.

01;26;17;08 - 01;26;45;07

Unknown

I don't know if I'm ready. If this is an encounter, I'm not prepared for this. And so and then all of a sudden it kept persisting. I'm like, let's I need to go in. I'm starting to freak out. And he was like, something's watching us. So then we come out later and you mentioned the fairies and it looked like, and I've told this story before, but taking a glow stick and smashing a glow stick with the hammer and then spraying the glow stick juice all over the grass, and it was like.

01;26;45;07 - 01;27;09;26

Unknown

And some of you told me at a conference that they're called neutrinos, and they show up when they're Sasquatch and certain cryptids and also very activity from time, because this is this is like, are these little green like, bioluminescent worms. But they were everywhere. We had those at the meadow. We did all over the grass in this open meadow.

01;27;10;03 - 01;27;26;17

Unknown

And we walked out there and I'm like, how far does these little newts at then? I didn't know that I can't neutrinos now. What is this glow stick juice or whatever this is. And we walk out there and there's this big pile. I go, whoa, what's that? And all of a sudden it just this animal takes off and it was big.

01;27;26;17 - 01;27;41;29

Unknown

I'm like, that wasn't a possum. That wasn't a raccoon. I don't know what that thing was, but there's some interesting parallels with just what you guys have talked about. I mean, that that's the whole thing, right? Like I mean, the more you talk about the stuff, the more you hear about the stuff, the more you draw the parallels.

01;27;41;29 - 01;27;57;23

Unknown

odcasting, I think I was like: 2015

01;27;57;23 - 01;28;20;24

Unknown

Yeah. And, I remember I was like, because at that time I was like, these are just hairy creatures out in the woods. Yeah, that we can't find. And I was like, I'm more and more convinced that it's beyond. Oh, yeah, of course. Flesh and bone, dude. Oh, yeah. What you're saying. But back then I was like, flesh and blood, and I was like, these people on TV are idiots.

01;28;20;26 - 01;28;38;12

Unknown

Like, I was like, I told my wife, I said, because she she was with me from the beginning of this stuff. And I told her I was like, listen, on the weekends I'm going to go up in the mountains. If I were, if for where we lived in, the Pottstown area in Pennsylvania. Poconos. No, I didn't go to Poconos.

01;28;38;12 - 01;28;57;17

Unknown

I would go up towards Hamburg, the Appalachian Mountains up there, in the South. I say Appalachia, you know, up in Hamburg, it's like Appalachian. But I would go up there and the Appalachian Trail, and I was like, listen, people are saying they're seeing this, this creature up there. I'm going to go find it, and I'm going to do this in about a month.

01;28;57;19 - 01;29;36;13

Unknown

It's not going to be hard. Like I was like, I was like, these things are 7 to 10ft tall. Huge. The one in Carbon County, Pennsylvania is a white Bigfoot. Yeah I'm going to go find this. And and solve this. Yep. That's the Minerva monster in Ohio. And I still haven't. But it's gotten more complicated. So anyways when this thing, this smell comes in, we keep going and deeper and deeper, I get sick, I get sick to my stomach, and I'm like, yo, I got to take a second here, and I think I leaned over, right?

01;29;36;13 - 01;29;58;18

Unknown

Like I was kind of, like, ready to hurl. Yeah. So you sit down the night vision camera. Yeah. And it's quiet down. It's right. Yeah. Handheld. You were walking with it? Yeah. It's like a little handheld tripod, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we set it down on the tripod. I was kind of my back turned to him, kind of looking around on.

01;29;58;18 - 01;30;24;09

Unknown

I was shining light. And you'll catch it on camera where I said something about maybe if we just don't want to see it, will actually see it, because everybody that sees this stuff never wants to see. Yeah, yeah. So like that. So around that time we made a decision to just go lights out and we're just like, listen, let's just go lights out and just go out here and just see what happens.

01;30;24;12 - 01;30;45;08

Unknown

And that's when you said that. Yeah, because I'm pretty sure we are completely lights out, because when you said that, I was like, maybe that's it, you know, and I and I said to myself, honey, virnetx running virnetx from, Expedition Bigfoot. That's one of his big things. He would just like to be out by himself, and he would just go out there and.

01;30;45;10 - 01;31;16;22

Unknown

And he was like, kind of. He had a more spiritual, way to attract it with, like, almost like your hearts open and in, in sort of like giving off a vibe to allow the experience to happen. So I don't know if that's what you guys were maybe instinctively doing. I for me I just was mentally just saying in my head almost like I wasn't that I'm not tricking myself, but in my head I was just saying I don't want it.

01;31;16;24 - 01;31;39;09

Unknown

Yeah. I don't want it, man. I just don't want it. And, and yeah. I mean, craziest thing in the world happened to us, right? Mean for that. So we're I'm, I'm kneeling down like I'm squatted down. So, like, the camera is on, like a tripod about that big. So it's really low to the ground. In fact, there was a, there was a, there was a piece of grass in front of the lens.

01;31;39;09 - 01;32;04;08

Unknown

So I'm blurry. Unfortunately, during this whole thing and, but, we here walking behind the camera. Yeah. And we both here, we're like, you hear that? Yeah. And we're talking bipedal too. Wasn't you heard, you know, multiple. Yeah. But you could hear it thudding and it was picking up pace and it was big. We're talking massive. And it ran.

01;32;04;08 - 01;32;35;23

Unknown

Oh no no no no no no you can't tell that fast. Okay. Get got to. So so we hear we first hear the walking. Yeah. And we both recognize that. We hear the walking. And that's when I stand up. And you only see from here down which is good that I was on camera. And when you, you come over and I think you shine the light or something.

01;32;35;23 - 01;32;53;20

Unknown

I feel like the lights went on it for at one point like that, but not extensively, because when the event happened, it was dark out. Right. But I feel like he hit the lights to start shining because we heard walking. And we don't see anything but we both heard the walking and you catch it on camera like you see us react to it.

01;32;53;20 - 01;33;15;05

Unknown

You see us say do you hear that. Yeah I hear that. You know. And that's why I stand up and about 20s later. That's okay. Yeah. So at this point I've kind of got my back turned because I'm looking the other way. And I typically do this on these trips anyway because I'm just super paranoid. So I'm always trying to look behind us if we're walking.

01;33;15;07 - 01;33;39;05

Unknown

Always. So I've got my sort of back to him. I'm not even saying completely, but it was kind of sideways and something bam rushed us. And I mean, it was huge, huge. You could hear it thudding up to the camera, and we felt the warmth from the actual, the wind of it. So you can hear me yell, lacing the air around.

01;33;39;06 - 01;34;00;29

Unknown

Right. And that's rushing up to you. You can hear me yell on camera as I'm flipping around. He draws. You'll see him draw on camera. At that point, I'm drawing on camera and we're hitting the lights and there's nothing there, right? Nothing at all. So yeah. And and the thing is, like.

01;34;01;01 - 01;34;21;28

Unknown

The thing is, you we we did like, what's really cool about this situation is it was that our reactions were caught on camera. Yeah. And we had a shotgun microphone facing us. Now, you doing production understand what a shotgun microphone is and how it operates? It's not going to pick up a lot of audio from behind, right?

01;34;22;00 - 01;34;38;09

Unknown

Or around, bro. It was so loud that you actually hear it running up to the camera. Wow. Like you hear two, two two, two, two. And that's the rhythm is like boop boop boop boop boop. Probably picking up the vibration through the camera, through the tripod. It's a good point. And then into like you're hearing that whoop whoop whoop.

01;34;38;11 - 01;35;03;26

Unknown

That's probably just like vibration. Well it gets crazier. So at this point we draw draw nothing is there? No I want to stress I want to stress. We hit the lights. Yeah. Guns are pulled. It's right there. It ran right up to us and it's within about 2 or 3ft. I'm talking to you. We're talking. It's right. It's not cloaked like there's no clocks.

01;35;03;27 - 01;35;23;19

Unknown

We'll see. There's actually nothing. Not like I'm talking like from me to the table. Like it is right there. Right? I don't want to. I can't stress enough the cloak. Bigfoot. You can see the shimmer. You can. You know what Bruce McAfee describes up there in Lima? Yeah. You know, like the predator. Yeah. Like. Yeah. Those. So you're not seeing any.

01;35;23;25 - 01;35;45;14

Unknown

I wish if I were to pull the trigger buys you. What are you seeing? Like branches moving at us, moving around the space. You're kind of in an open area, though. Nothing. You're on a trail. We're on a trail. But it came up out of the woods. Yeah, yeah. So the camera was facing, it was on the edge of the trail, facing across the trail where we were standing.

01;35;45;16 - 01;36;09;17

Unknown

So we see that we start to make a few steps back on the radio. War hits us up. He said, man, you guys okay? Because you heard me. Yeah. He thought he thought we were clowning. Yeah, he thought we were messing around with. Then he gets crazier. Right around that time, it it is like a pack of monkeys start going.

01;36;09;18 - 01;36;31;04

Unknown

No. Stop it. Before that, the scream, the first scream. So they like we're. We're talking like that thing runs up on us. We draw, he radios and we holster, and then we hear behind us one yell and it was, yeah.

01;36;31;06 - 01;36;48;02

Unknown

It's like that. And then. And I think that's when we're called in. Yeah. I think that's when word called, those are the females that do those crazy scream. And then it was like I remember it was going off and was like, what's going on out there? He still thinks we're playing. Yeah. And he's like, what's going on out there?

01;36;48;05 - 01;36;55;20

Unknown

It's like, you can hear me on camera. It's like a pack of monkeys out here. Like it sounded like they were.

01;36;55;22 - 01;37;14;29

Unknown

So it's going insane. And we're like, oh yeah. Like we're like, it ain't just one out here. There's a lot of them out. You can't see it. Nothing. Planet of the apes, man. How far away? So how far away are the sound? So the sounds are definitely yards. 50 yards. Probably. Like, that was super close. They weren't. Yeah.

01;37;15;01 - 01;37;37;06

Unknown

In your perimeter? Yes, in our perimeter. Oh my God. So it's going insane at this rate. Living this right now. You got the audio. Oh yeah. Oh yeah yeah yeah. The audio. Yeah. What is this coming out. The crazy thing is we recorded this. This whole thing happened like a year and a half. Two years ago. Yeah. This film will come out because there's more steps to the film that's going to be shot.

01;37;37;06 - 01;37;57;02

Unknown

Yeah, it's. It's still writing the story. Yeah. Yeah. So it'll probably it'll come out probably around next year because we've got two songs before that, pickups and stuff. Yeah. Well we're, we've got some more additions to the film that we're going to add. There's more off camera. We'll talk about that to talk to you off camera, bro.

01;37;57;04 - 01;38;17;05

Unknown

But it gets it gets even crazier. So we get back how to ward and Jack and they still think, what are you guys doing? You make it. It's like, no they hear yeah, yeah, they heard it. You guys are yeah yeah yeah. So that's how loud it was. They can hear. They can hear it back at base camp.

01;38;17;07 - 01;38;33;18

Unknown

So Ward is it's like you guys weren't playing. He asked are you seeing it on cameras? Anything you guys weren't playing like? No. Like, why would we even do that out here like in the first place? We've never done that before. So why would we start now. Yeah. But he I think he it was so bizarre. He just had to make sure like three times like, are you sure?

01;38;33;18 - 01;38;54;03

Unknown

He's like, oh my God. Like we heard this. So what is that like? Yeah. Sound like a pack of monkeys. Then he's like, yeah. So while that's going on, something swoops over us, flies over us, and we look up, there's nothing there, but we can feel the like the. And what is it that happened? When was the last time that happened?

01;38;54;03 - 01;39;11;28

Unknown

So to the team could have been an owl. Yeah I think it was. Yeah. But but you know but all right. So there's, there's, there's symbolism with the owl stuff. Oh there it is I think. But that's the experience. When's the last time you had something swish over your head. It wasn't with me. It was with somebody else in the team.

01;39;12;00 - 01;39;36;07

Unknown

Dog man in Kentucky, correct? Yes. So trees in the trees when we were out there during. So look in it. You can't record it. We don't put it in the film generally sometimes will report what we see. But you will see you had like it experience. Right, right, right. That's for sure. That's a different thing that like smoking tree thing.

01;39;36;09 - 01;39;55;09

Unknown

You guys had a piece of that in your. Correct. So that happens the worst thing. And it could have been announced for sure right. Yeah. But again we look up while the woosh is happening and we don't see anything. We just feel it. Yeah. And if it feels an owl is a cloaked owl, like that's all I got to say.

01;39;55;09 - 01;40;17;05

Unknown

There was nothing there at all. And it's. And it's not like it was one of those nights where it was pitch black, like you could. It's like, you know how those night skies are kind of gray that you can kind of see? Well, the moon is the light from the moon is diffusing through the clouds. So it's like a nice the haze actually turns into, softball.

01;40;17;05 - 01;40;37;05

Unknown

Right. And that's pretty much what it was. Helps you see better. Right. And that's pretty much what it was that night. So at that point, we're like, let's get out of here. You know, we just had a crazy experience. We're all freaking out. We get in the truck. You don't in there, we're driving off and the blue orb shows back up.

01;40;37;05 - 01;41;05;08

Unknown

Tony sees that. Follow us all to this railroad track, and then it sees us go across the railroad track and then dances and just leaves. Jesus, bro. Yeah, yeah. Blown away. But, you know, we got we got the in-house biologist. Yeah. Justin England. Oh yeah. Who reviews everything. We let him listen to everything. Let him review everything. Because if there's any person that can track it to an animal and say, like, sure, this is an animal, this is this, we're going to try to rule that out.

01;41;05;10 - 01;41;28;02

Unknown

So we know after reviewing the sounds that some of them do sound very out, like when all the whooping was being. I personally, I don't know about you, but for me, I stand by it. What I hear on audio is not what I remember hearing in person. Correct? Now I will say it's comp. That's not common, but it's it has happened.

01;41;28;07 - 01;42;00;25

Unknown

I will say room for error. I had monsters in the brain that scream happened 100% the same on the audio. It's all the same. And maybe my brain just turned it into monkey sounds, but what I. What my brain remembers hearing was not what we recorded on the audio. We listen back. So two, I'm saying I felt like it was monkey sound too, because you'll hear me on camera say it sounds like a pack of monkeys, like that's what it sounded like.

01;42;00;27 - 01;42;16;03

Unknown

So we let Justin look at it and we were hightailing it out there. By the way, I'm not going to lie. Like we were sticking around like it sounded like an army of monster monkeys were coming for it. So right when you heard it, you started running. Yeah, we were running. Well, we were running you. You moving out there?

01;42;16;06 - 01;42;36;19

Unknown

You were. We were swiftly walking, making your way back to base camp. So we let Justin take a look at it and listen to it. And one of the things Justin told us is when it comes to Bigfoot, they've been known to mimic sounds. Oh, sure. Sure. Yeah. And they'll try to mimic whatever wildlife is in the area specifically owls.

01;42;36;19 - 01;42;55;21

Unknown

They'll try to mimic. Yep. And he said that you can tell the difference between a real owl sound and a mimicked owl sound. Right. So we let him listen to it. The first sound, the first one like that, that's what like he heard that and said, I don't know what that is. He's like, that sounds like what people normally say.

01;42;55;21 - 01;43;15;28

Unknown

They hear when they hear Bigfoot sounds. The ones that followed after it, he said, sounds like something's trying to mimic it. Now, is what he said after listening to it. So he reviewed it and said, it's not. It's in this big gray area. He's like, it's not definitively owl sounds. He's like, yes, there are some that sound like that.

01;43;16;00 - 01;43;37;21

Unknown

He's like, but I know for sure that first sound is not. He's like, after that, it does sound like it's almost morphing, like it's trying to sound like an owl or multiple. It doesn't sound like it's one thing. It sounds like multiple things are out there making these sounds together. So at that point we're like, okay, yeah, we definitely had we knew we had an experience because something ran up on us.

01;43;37;23 - 01;43;54;18

Unknown

And even Justin said he's like, listen, big owls can run up on people. He's like, cause there's some great owls that will, you know, they got two legs. He's like, they'll run at you on the head. Like he said, the problem is he's like, you would have seen it. You would have known that it was something physical there.

01;43;54;18 - 01;44;15;02

Unknown

He's like, don't look and shine a light there and nothing's there. It's like it just evaporated when it ran up on you. And on camera you'll see it like how fast it happened. Like this wasn't slow where it's like, oh, maybe it got away. Like you hear it on camera with the shotgun microphone pointing the opposite direction, running up to us, and you see the reaction of the draw.

01;44;15;05 - 01;44;37;12

Unknown

Lights go on. Nothing. I mean, it happened fast, and it's just like I saw something I'm going to take with me for rest of my life because I. So I'm the kind of person that I now, I go from one extreme of saying, I'm going to, I'm going to solve the Bigfoot thing in like a month. These guys are idiots to now I'm like, I don't know if I'll ever see one.

01;44;37;14 - 01;44;58;11

Unknown

And and to have the experience that we had in my mind, if that's the highlight of my monster hunting career, I'm okay with it, because it was. It was so real and so bizarre. Oh, it's it's it's like it's like, it's the mind twist that I enjoy. Right? So like, I'm hunting for that, that mind twist.

01;44;58;14 - 01;45;18;08

Unknown

And that was a pure mind twist from the beginning to the end of the experience. And I'm sitting here thinking like, I might be misremembering the first scream. Totally. It was a scream. But I remember when I was just doing the scream, I was like, I might have got a little exaggerated on that, but I'm not sure I do.

01;45;18;08 - 01;45;35;07

Unknown

You remember how it was? It was a loud scream, right? So I don't know if I remember the scream the same way you did. Really, what I remember was that first one, and then when it did, it was like, oh. And then just going, it just sounded like, if I was in the zone where there would be a bunch of monkeys.

01;45;35;10 - 01;45;57;27

Unknown

Now, I was the first thing I thought. Yes. And I felt like that it was that feeling, that sound that I heard. And then coupled with what we had just experienced, something running up on us that was big, big, big. And then, you know, and again, in retrospect, we went back and listened to it and they did sound some of them out, like, so then, you know, we're going to be logical and say what they were.

01;45;57;27 - 01;46;19;12

Unknown

Ours was like, let's let Justin take a look and let's let him listen to it. He knows, you know, animal sounds in and out just about every animal on the planet, which is insane. And he quickly said, yeah, these right here, but no to the first one. He's like, he's like, honestly, it sounds a lot like what people say they hear when they hear Bigfoot.

01;46;19;12 - 01;46;40;06

Unknown

Woop! And he said after that, he's like, it sounds like something's trying to mimic. And now, not that it's an owl, but it is trying to switch to an owl like sound. Yeah. You know, in that same area, we, we, we went back to that same area to film a scene for Sasquatch in The Missing Man.

01;46;40;13 - 01;47;02;20

Unknown

So in, in the in the Sasquatch in The Missing Man, we had, reenactments, and we had two actors pretending to be the brothers. And that area that this experience happening is where we shot the reenactment. And so it was cold out, and I was still production, in charge of production. And I literally, literally didn't have a job like, there's nothing for me to do.

01;47;02;22 - 01;47;22;22

Unknown

So these guys, it's cold out, and I'm sitting in my truck with the heat on, just chilling, you know, and, and I was bored and I didn't want to get cold, though. So I was sitting there, I was like, I'll call my parents. I haven't talked to them in a while. So I call my parents and they're having on speakerphone and we're talking, not telling them what I'm doing.

01;47;22;24 - 01;47;50;29

Unknown

And, I hear something outside, and I cracked the window open just a little bit. And I hear this clicking sound like the predator. Knowing what I've been through at that location, that's when my brain is identifying it as I'm like, that's weird, that's weird. And so I and it was off kind of in the distance. And so, I was sitting there and talking to my parents, and I hear it again and it's louder and louder.

01;47;51;01 - 01;48;16;27

Unknown

And then at one point, I'm talking to my parents and I'm like, just listen. Just listen. And all of a sudden it's like, right there, loud, loud. And, my mom goes, put your window up right now. It's like, it's, I open my window up, I say goodbye to them, and I get out and I walk over up to the guys where they're shooting, and, I heard it up there a little bit.

01;48;16;29 - 01;48;33;23

Unknown

And I bring this up because there's been debate amongst the team as to is a natural. Is it a frog or whatever? I don't think I still don't think it was a frog. But Justin said it could be a shoebill. Yeah. Yeah. Which which was. He said which would be better than finding Bigfoot. Oh, my God, please let me run into a shoebill.

01;48;33;25 - 01;48;54;15

Unknown

Yeah, this is in the Amazon, right? Yeah. There we. Yeah. Dinosaurs. Yeah. Well, what he said was that it's such an exotic animal. Sometimes people will have these exotic pets legally. And he said the shoe bills are known to either get out or the let out, and they'll just be in some weird place, and they make that clicking sound like the predator when they're out there.

01;48;54;15 - 01;49;12;07

Unknown

So he mentioned that, and I told Justin I was like, it ain't no shoe bill. Just like that. Well, I'll tell you, what's interesting about this whole that whole thing is and I haven't heard it yet, a friend of mine sent me, I think 1 or 2 clips, and I just haven't listened to it yet, but.

01;49;12;09 - 01;49;32;22

Unknown

No, he didn't send me clips. He sent me the episode number, but, expedition Bigfoot. Russell caught. Yeah. Apparently in the latest season, it's a thing, at least on one, maybe two episodes where they recorded this same sound clicks and the other clicks. I watched it all every episode the last season. What? What do you think that shows?

01;49;32;22 - 01;49;51;25

Unknown

And it's the most intriguing Bigfoot show out there by far. Yeah. I mean, even Doctor Maria mer is like, blown away by half the shit that they find for the ness. Yeah, and in the sounds, when you guys mentioned that there was nothing there, it reminded me of when Ronnie Verney, who's not on the cast now, they replaced him from Biko from alone.

01;49;51;28 - 01;50;16;00

Unknown

He's on the new season. But Ronnie and Doctor Maria mare were in this river valley and there was a, limestone cliff, and they're just sitting, kind of regrouping. And all of a sudden they heard something down in front of this cliff wall, and they pull up the camera with the flashlight, and there's a shadow on the wall, but there is nothing there.

01;50;16;03 - 01;50;35;27

Unknown

And they're sitting there for minutes. And this thing is, it's there, but they can't see it. There's nothing there. But there is a shadow that they can see that's casting on the back wall. And doctor, she's just like, there's something there, but we're not seeing anything. The camera's not picking anything up. And even the Fleer or whatever else they had.

01;50;35;27 - 01;50;56;20

Unknown

So what's the theory? Is that like, it was like maybe like a predator translucent thing that was casting a shadow. Then there was no predator. They didn't have the translucent, the that effect. There was just nothing. Like you guys said, the only reason why it actually casts is because of that limestone wall back there. So if you guys had something to cast a shadow on.

01;50;56;20 - 01;51;25;27

Unknown

Yeah, maybe you would have seen a shadow potentially on a flat surface, like a wall of a canyon. So that's where I'm like. And and they have it on video that the only way and you can see the shadow move in. It's bipedal. It's got arms that are moving and big long legs that are moving. But there's nothing that I mean, she's literally has the, one of the cameras, I want to say, not the, it's not the night vision.

01;51;26;01 - 01;51;45;16

Unknown

It's one of the the thermal, where it's it's not red, hot or yellow even. You can just kind of see an outline, but there's not really a heat signature coming from it. Does that mean that's the only footage that I've seen that even that I can even think of that. And they're just like, it's right here. We know it's there.

01;51;45;16 - 01;52;12;23

Unknown

We could hear it walking up. That was like, damn, that's just very similar. What you guys experience and the nest that they're finding are creepy. Dude, I gotta I gotta get them on the show again. It's why I gotta talk about this stuff with them. But Russell Accord's amazing. Yeah, that guy is incredible. He's a good dude. Like, he, next time he's in East Tennessee, he's going to go on a 2 to 3 day, dog manhunt with me.

01;52;12;25 - 01;52;33;04

Unknown

So, yeah. Bring the crew. Yeah. No, we're not bringing Christmas any. Give me. That's the. I think we're going no cameras. We're going to go out there to slay and, and and that would be I mean, you're going to get more experiences with you don't have a bunch of. Yeah. And I like the way those guys do their production is they have they're the most high tech I think either.

01;52;33;05 - 01;52;52;14

Unknown

ve the benefit of, filming in: 2025

01;52;52;14 - 01;53;10;21

Unknown

It wasn't even an option, you know, but what they were doing was high tech stuff. They had this pole coming off with, with night vision facing them. And like, that's that was that was the cat's meow back then, you know. But the one of the issues with finding Bigfoot is it's a TV show. So each episode they were in a different location.

01;53;10;21 - 01;53;31;21

Unknown

Yeah. Whereas finding, Expedition Bigfoot one season one. Yeah. They are. One time during a season, they went to another area just because the algorithm and the. I was like, well, they're actually moving out because, oh, the head guys, the whole thing was Alaska, wasn't it? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. But it kind of where they were at in California was dead.

01;53;31;21 - 01;54;04;11

Unknown

There just wasn't anything going on. And so like, well, maybe they're migrating. So they used all of this AI multi-agent technology to kind of see where they're coming up in migrating up through the Olympic Peninsula. And that's what this new season is. They're following them up and following this migration pattern to where it basically bottlenecks. And that's where season six is, is right at that bottleneck because they they mapped with AI all of the sightings over the last hundred years all the way through that coast.

01;54;04;14 - 01;54;20;09

Unknown

So they dialing it in season by season. I really hope that they decide one day to come to the Smokies. Like like we can take them on trips they've been to. Maybe it was North Carolina, the Blue Ridge Mountains, I think they were. They were in North Carolina, potentially. But was it for most part it's been out West.

01;54;20;09 - 01;54;47;03

Unknown

Yeah. I, I, selfishly speaking. But, I'll bring them coffee. But they're, they're good people. They're really good people. I got to know, Russell, I've known Russell before he was even on the show. And doctor, mayor, I met her. She she called me, I think it was last year, and she gave me the best encouragement in, like.

01;54;47;03 - 01;55;09;18

Unknown

Like as I took up her, she called me, and she's like, I want you to speak at, a conference that she was. And I said, you don't want me speaking to your conference. And she's like, you know, I do. And I was like, no, you don't like I said, I said, I'm woowoo like I'm crazy. Like, I like I, I take, I, I go from like, you go to from like 1 to 10 and I start at ten.

01;55;09;19 - 01;55;24;26

Unknown

I go beyond like like I said, you don't want me speaking at your conference. And she's like, actually, I do. That's the kind of that's the kind of like, we need variety. Like, everybody is science and we need somebody that's. And I'm like, oh, okay then. And I had it in the conference. I was doing that. We can.

01;55;24;26 - 01;55;49;20

Unknown

But I say that because she is such a for somebody who is so highly educated and doesn't need to be calling Tony the podcast or she's been on National Geographic, she's featured on there like she's very humble. Yeah. And so I think that that whole crew is cool. And, you know, if they ever lose another cast member, I'm just saying, you know, I'm not right here, okay?

01;55;49;20 - 01;56;08;05

Unknown

Like, I don't, you know, I have to work at work around my work schedule, like, I. This is what I do, you know? So. Yeah. Yeah. But we should tell it. Tell them, about Washington that night outside the RV. Yeah. So this is part that didn't make the film. And again, there's a lot of stuff that happens to us out in these trips that don't make the film.

01;56;08;08 - 01;56;32;09

Unknown

Sometimes you get in front of the camera and talk about it, if it makes sense to. But generally speaking, if we don't catch it, it's just hearsay. And people are going to say, yeah, of course you're lying. So we're going to I'm going to tell the story now, though, it's a great podcast. It right. So, you know, we're in the camper and we're we're being surrounded by something multiple thing 100%.

01;56;32;11 - 01;57;00;03

Unknown

So we hear the you can catch like on the film, the whistling that we hear and some of the things that are going on, you know, we step outside and this is when we smell that smell, the same smell that we smelled at the other place. So chilling outside, we smell it. And I had already went up. Whatever had followed me up broke away from whatever pack had followed me up to where?

01;57;00;05 - 01;57;22;09

Unknown

Right around where Wes had his experience. I came back and at that point was when we had the all weird like moth orb thing that happened and they were telling me about it because I wasn't there for that. Yeah. So at this point, everybody's packing it back in to the camper. Tony now outside by ourselves at this point.

01;57;22;11 - 01;57;53;26

Unknown

When I say that, I felt a growl. I mean, I felt the growl, not I heard it analyzed infrasound vibrate in my entire body. Yeah. It was like, oh, and it just I felt. And Tony said, did you hear that? I said, no, man. I felt that, and it felt close. I mean, real close. And you could just feel it, like it just vibrated my whole body.

01;57;53;29 - 01;58;15;12

Unknown

And he felt it too. We went back in there. We told them, man, whatever happened when you guys left and we were out there by ourselves, it's almost like whatever they were doing. Very similar to what happened with Wes and his brother. There were only two of us, so I know they were probably thinking one, who is this idiot?

01;58;15;12 - 01;58;37;21

Unknown

They just walked up here by himself, away from the pack, because I was out of sight from them around Wes. And this thing tracked me up there, whoever it was. But I come back. And then that point, whatever it was, was close. And it was really close. It was real close. We actually stopped, turn around, and walked to the back of the RV because we thought it was right there.

01;58;37;21 - 01;58;56;25

Unknown

Yeah, yeah. And like maybe it was it when it happened, they just clarified. We didn't want to talk about Wes from Sasquatch. Yeah, yeah. All right. Yeah. So, like, it wasn't like we nonchalantly like, what was it like? We were like, okay, we're going to peer around the corner real quick, you know, cause there was like, it should have been there.

01;58;56;25 - 01;59;18;21

Unknown

That's how it felt, right? Yeah. And West, I mean, with his experience, I mean, they they came up and it was behind the car. And it growled and he described the same feeling and, he even said to me that, when we were filming at his studio, his, you know, his story, he I asked him I might have been off air.

01;59;18;21 - 01;59;31;24

Unknown

I'm not sure if it was recorded or not, but I asked him. I said, do you think. And I think it was. I said, do you think if you and your brother were out there that night without a vehicle as any kind of shelter, do you think you would be here right now? He's like, no, no, I'm like that.

01;59;31;26 - 01;59;49;29

Unknown

He was convinced because what he saw, what happened that night, especially when they back there, I think it was a trailblazer or something. When he backed the trailblazer back out onto the road because they were on a logging road and pulled off to the side. And then the show happened with these things coming across the road in the tree, getting down in the spider crawl and all that stuff.

01;59;49;29 - 02;00;12;10

Unknown

Like I'm telling you, like what happened to him that night if they were not in a vehicle the way they were acting, you know, they would have popped his head off like that. The guy the missed the whole thing with the missing man, Sasquatch and the missing man. It's because we're at ground Zero where this legendary experience happened with Wes Grammar from Sasquatch Chronicles, and we're documenting this area, ground zero.

02;00;12;16 - 02;00;31;26

Unknown

And like 200ft away from ground Zero, we find a van that has a guy. The guy set up a camp, and he just abandoned the camp and he was gone. To this day, we haven't found him. He's a missing person. Left two jars of weed out there, which is even crazier. You ain't leaving two jars that we found.

02;00;31;26 - 02;00;50;00

Unknown

Somebody knows that. Yeah, we found we. And he wasn't there that long because his toilet was unused. So what was this guy was out there cultivating. So he so I have some. So what happened. We filmed this thing. We come back to our homes, me and West get on his show and talk about what happened that previous week.

02;00;50;02 - 02;01;12;17

Unknown

Somebody listening knew this guy because we got his name off a card that was on the window, and they contacted us and said, and it was his ex-fiancée and say, yeah. And she's like, we've been looking for him. Where was his vehicle? So we tell her, so she gets involved, she wins. I'm taking possession of his vehicle because they had a tow it out of their.

02;01;12;19 - 02;01;41;23

Unknown

And, I had texted her shortly before the film came out and was released just for an update. And she said that they had not found John, but, from the time we filmed to that point, the police had swept that entire area and they didn't find John, but they found four other dead bodies. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And like two weeks before the film comes out, we actually had edit this into the film.

02;01;41;25 - 02;02;03;12

Unknown

There was a police report at that area. A biker was riding his bike and a reported seeing, human, a human, skull like, off the side of the road. And when the police came out like a few days later, because up there, when the snow hits you, you're not getting up the mountain. When they finally got up there, they found not just the skull, but other body parts.

02;02;03;17 - 02;02;27;05

Unknown

And I think this was almost like a cover up because they posted on their Facebook that they thought they believe it was. It's believed that this is the body parts of John, Guffey and but they never committed to it and say never, Kirk. But here's the thing. It was it's the same area that they already swept. So John goes missing, they sweep the area, they find four dead bodies.

02;02;27;05 - 02;02;47;12

Unknown

None of them are John's. And then almost a year later, there's body parts at that area and they just conveniently are John's. So you think that maybe they were planted from something else? I'm not I don't I'm not saying that. Nope. I personally what I think is that you have rogue Sasquatch up there. Yeah. That are aggressive and making people go missing.

02;02;47;18 - 02;03;07;03

Unknown

I have two theories. One is that they're making people go missing and people are finding body parts that are left behind, or that area is a dumping ground for illegal activity. And you don't understand to that missing national park or serial killer. And this is a national park. So there's a lot that goes on in national parks.

02;03;07;03 - 02;03;25;01

Unknown

We all know that. Oh yeah. So that's the other part of it is, is this there's some kind of underground base or weird accent or something like that happening. But I can tell you, when we went up there and interviewed West and West took us up there, that was the first time West had ever been back since the incident.

02;03;25;01 - 02;03;45;13

Unknown

And that's is that pretty much what got him into starting the show? So he started the show because, they had their experience. They started talking about it. They got, this is what I remember, the timeline. I wasn't around in those days. But it got a lot of traction. Like, people were, like, asking questions of stuff.

02;03;45;14 - 02;04;05;08

Unknown

Oh, yeah. So one of the only cryptid podcasts around, right. And him and his brother wanted to find answers, and they thought the best way to do that would be to interview people who had experiences as well. Wow. So they went to a local radio station, if I remember correctly, and pitched, starting a radio show, and they turned it down.

02;04;05;11 - 02;04;30;25

Unknown

And so he started Sasquatch Chronicles. Wow. Amazing. He like they they were not interested in the topic. They actually were up there because they lost their father and they were having a rough time. So they decided to blow off steam and just drove up there one night. Wow. How synchronistic is that. That's like who. That's that's magical.

02;04;30;27 - 02;04;56;12

Unknown

Amazing. Yeah. So I mean. That that trip for us was, it was pretty wild. I'm still stuck on the guys, the bodies that showed up. Yeah. I'm still stuck on this guy is still missing. Yeah. Unbelievable. And don't listen to the people online because there was all the skeptics as soon as that came out, they said it's been proven he's not missing anymore.

02;04;56;16 - 02;05;17;05

Unknown

And it's like, no, it's not. As a matter of fact, the police never proved that that was actually him. That's the that's the thing people people get so excited to try proving other people wrong. Right. And they put words in your mouth because like they, they, they try to make it make you feel like you're trying to say something you're not trying to say.

02;05;17;09 - 02;05;39;19

Unknown

Right. Like we're not private investigators. We just documented our journey and is sharing with you. This is what happened. This is what happened. Yeah. And and the people that want to like they here's what it is. They they treat you like you're trying to pull one over on them. Internet sleuths are ruthless. Yeah. I want to get to I mean, we had a TikTok that blew up from our buddy Bryan Singer.

02;05;39;19 - 02;05;55;01

Unknown

They had this shapeshifter encounter with a woman in LA, and he told the story and had her on her podcast, and then we had him on. He told the story, and then we made a TikTok and a real about it, and it started going thermonuclear. I was like, dude, are you sure? Like, you don't want me to take this down?

02;05;55;01 - 02;06;18;11

Unknown

And then she hit him up out of the blue and was like, can you take that down? There's people on the internet, not from our video that are trying to find me. There's only so many. I'm not going to tell you where she's from. She's brown and a nuclear scientist. There's only so many of us. And I had to disappear out into the boonies because there's weirdos on the internet trying to find me, so like, you need to take them.

02;06;18;14 - 02;06;56;06

Unknown

So he didn't. We don't have to take down our episode, but they get locked in in. The comments were scary. In our TikTok comments about this. They're like, they were gonna find who she was. Yeah, and we ended up taking it down for her SATs. They go, yeah. It's like, dude, chill out. Yeah. And I understand, like in the sense that, like the community that we come from is a skeptical community that, you know, is like there are there are people in the world who are holding power and they're, they're trying to to paint a reality for you that isn't actually reality.

02;06;56;09 - 02;07;23;13

Unknown

And so that's a mindset. Yeah. But and you're never going to change. That's why like, I don't I don't read comments like I'm never going to change people's minds. But and to that point to so you're talking about these powers, right, that try to control the narrative. The other part of it is when you are in this space of conspiracies or cryptids or anything strange and weird, right?

02;07;23;15 - 02;07;51;08

Unknown

And you're successful at it. They think you're part of that system now because you're successful. That's more interesting than Alex Jones was the first one, right? Yeah. Everyone says Alex had a big. And then he became a shill. Oh, Alex is working for the Israel. He's working for Mossad is the classic. Yeah. Podcaster thing that goes on where if you become successful at anything, yeah.

02;07;51;11 - 02;08;23;01

Unknown

Then you have somehow sold your soul to the board. And I'll tell you, I had that opportunity to sell your soul, not to sell my soul. But, I to early on in my. And I don't know if this was an authentic offer or not. There, there's part of me that says it really might have been. And there's other part of me that says that somebody might have been trying to catch me and to put me into a position where I agree to do something, and they got me on record and, and to, to basically cock, you know, blackmail me or whatever.

02;08;23;04 - 02;08;47;04

Unknown

But early and network like no one early. No. Okay. Early on in the show, there was a guy who was claiming to be, a CIA, what's what's the term like? He doesn't like operative operative, you know? And, and him and I were talking, I was green, you know, I was real green. And so I was like, oh, man, this guy's interesting.

02;08;47;04 - 02;09;14;05

Unknown

He had a lot of information, and I was like, this is pretty wild, you know? And he one day calls me. I'll never forget this. Like, I was in my truck. I was, I remember call my dad afterwards. So, I was just leaving my house and I was pulling out down the road, and I'm on the phone with him, and, he he's doing some small talk with me, and he was.

02;09;14;05 - 02;09;43;03

Unknown

Let me ask you something. I said, was it he goes, would you be willing to maybe once every ten episodes. Do. So disinformation. Wow. Yeah. He he said, not every episode. Just every, you know, once every ten episodes. Put a story out there that that we give you. Wow. And it's like Operation Mockingbird. Yeah. He goes, he goes.

02;09;43;05 - 02;10;02;23

Unknown

It's. It would be about $500,000, maybe a million. Oh, wow. And this is early on. Early on. Early on. And, That's real. Did I ever tell you that? No. That's really so sorry. This story, I mean, hey, are you on the stage, baby? I don't think about it a whole lot, you know? I mean, but, and that's.

02;10;02;23 - 02;10;20;27

Unknown

And I also, I have so many stories in my head. This is. Why is this fun for me? Yeah, because, like, I don't ever get to do this. And so, like, like, the stories just come back to me. But, I, I don't remember how it ended. I know it ended. Open ended because I was scared.

02;10;20;29 - 02;10;39;29

Unknown

I was very scared. And he's. I just think about just think about. Okay. You know, and this is the last time I ever talked to, by the way. But, I remember after that conversation, I called my dad, who, when I, before I started podcasting, I said to my dad, hey, I'm going to start this podcast and yada, yada yada.

02;10;40;01 - 02;10;55;14

Unknown

And he told me that he's like, Tony, if starting a podcast even can get you out of truck driving for five years, I would tell you to do it because he's a truck driver. And so it's like he understands how like you're literally consumed by driving a truck. And if you could have a life for five years, you know.

02;10;55;18 - 02;11;12;05

Unknown

Yeah, bit literally know I don't have a life now, but, but it's a good life that I have. But, so I call him because, like, in my mind, I'm like, what? What just happened? And I didn't I didn't have a whole lot of people in my life at the time that I could even talk to about something like this.

02;11;12;05 - 02;11;26;06

Unknown

And he at least knew I was podcasting. And he's he's also the one who, I think it was episode 18. I had Ella Marzullo on my show, and I'm at my parent's house one night. My dad's like, you know, he's having a show at Mars early. It's the same night that I realized my dad listen to Coast to Coast, you know, all that stuff.

02;11;26;06 - 02;11;38;26

Unknown

So I was like, maybe dad, I can do this. Talk to dad about what just happened. And, I called him, and I told him what happened, and. And he's like, you don't want to do that. And I was like, I know I don't want to do that. He's like, well, I'm here to confirm. You don't want to do that.

02;11;38;26 - 02;12;01;29

Unknown

Yeah. Like he's he's he's like, that will only lead to no good. And it was a real short conversation because there wasn't much to think about. Yeah. And I don't I just don't know to this day, if that guy was just lying, clowning and wanting to catch this young podcaster in a position where he could, you know, maybe go, you know, on social media and just blast, maybe he was recording the conversation or something.

02;12;01;29 - 02;12;22;25

Unknown

I mean, you could get something over you, right? Right. Or that blackmail me or was it authentic and real? I don't know, but, Yeah. That was the last conversation I had with the guy. And then he did start a campaign against me on social media for a while. Wow. Yeah. So. But there's nothing. There's no teeth to it, you know, because I never did anything, so.

02;12;22;25 - 02;12;43;25

Unknown

Exactly. And you're going to get that a lot with weird emails coming through from people. It's all going. I just did, early on when I started the podcast, I did a four part series on the Solomon Islands and about all of the crazy giants and everything else going on there. Oh, yeah, I find the Solomon's fascinating to me.

02;12;43;27 - 02;13;10;15

Unknown

Well, there's a book called mysteries of the Solomon Islands by a guy called Maris Morrison, and he's kind of a mysterious character, and that's his pen name. That's not right from what we know. Right. But I've got a contact in Australia who mysteriously goes by sea and who, you know, a a sea that no longer talks to you anymore, which is super weird.

02;13;10;18 - 02;13;28;27

Unknown

And this sea goes by Claire, but funnels me info like it's wild and I just get random info from like just the weirdest spots. Like, oh, I dug this up in some UK archive, I thought you might like it. So yeah, maybe they're CIA, I don't know. Yeah, but you know, I double check the info and I'm like, where did it come from?

02;13;28;27 - 02;13;58;26

Unknown

Is it legit info? I'm like, okay, okay, so very invested in the in the show. But, this sea had actually tracked down the last name and was like, well, actually his parents were living in Australia. Like I tracked down the parents. That is his name or whatever. Right? So I recently start getting an email from a Marius Burian, and the email address is, is, mysteries is solve in Ireland.

02;13;58;26 - 02;14;23;15

Unknown

k was written. It came out in: 2012

02;14;23;15 - 02;14;41;06

Unknown

Yeah. So if you try to get it now I think. But I looked at it on Amazon, I think it was going for like 4 or 5 grand or something like that. But I know that I had I did have several listeners that are out of state that were hitting me up and say, I found a place in the UK, you get it for 200 bucks, or you can get it over here for whatever.

02;14;41;06 - 02;15;01;19

Unknown

So people always send me stuff like that. So this dude writes his professional email and like it looks legit. I even hit you up. I hit Jack up. I was like, man, dude, like, it's kind of weird. I was like, but you know, I don't trust anything. Okay, how professional it sounds. So this point I'm going to do like some testing and that's and that's kind of the part that people don't understand.

02;15;01;19 - 02;15;20;29

Unknown

They think we're just buying into what everybody sends us like we do, especially with stuff like that. You're going to vet because you want to know what you're getting into. And so I told the guy straight up I was like, listen, I'm more than interested in talking to you. I was like, I'd like to get you on camera, and I like to do a little vetting process.

02;15;20;29 - 02;15;41;17

Unknown

I even used the word vetting, and then it just derailed. The emails started getting crazier and crazier. We just went. I think whoever was trying to trick me realized that it wasn't going to happen. So I'm just going to like, I'm just going to go bizarre now and just get just super crazy went, yeah. And for almost a month I was getting emails.

02;15;41;17 - 02;16;03;09

Unknown

ility supposedly back in like: 2010

02;16;03;09 - 02;16;28;05

Unknown

It was the real dude. Listen to my episode about him. Yeah, he I tried he didn't reach back to me, though. That's how I know it's him, because that dude's that dude straight up. Yeah, yeah. But anyway, he hit me up in the comments on my on the episode. He's like, great work. He was like, this is what I've been trying to tell people this whole time, because I gave him credit because when he first came out, I did not buy anything he had to say.

02;16;28;05 - 02;17;07;09

Unknown

Yeah, because I was like, yeah, like, every celebrity's a clone, like Britney Spears is a clone. And I get it. They were all coming out with weird videos that they were clones. Like, all that stuff's weird. Don't get me wrong. Yeah, man. You really? They lose me on some of that stuff, but. But as of recent, I was listening to people like French and some of these other people who have had these experiences where there's this thing that happens where they're spirit or soul is taken out of their bodies and moved into another body and put on missions.

02;17;07;11 - 02;17;23;09

Unknown

It clicked with me. I was like, wait a minute. Donald Marshall used to talk about this almost 12 years ago. REM cloning, R.E.M. cloning. He talked about this. I did a whole episode of R.E.M. cloning, and he popped in and was like, yeah, and I tracked it and I was like, oh, man, it's just like the legit website.

02;17;23;09 - 02;17;46;14

Unknown

The legit, like everything. Even his channel was legit. Yeah. Well done, my son. I know, I was like, no, here's the thing. I think that's the story of Osiris and Horus. Yeah, I think that story was speaking about some kind of technology where Horus, the son of, was the son of Osiris and Osiris, just basically just ripped his consciousness.

02;17;46;17 - 02;18;11;14

Unknown

And it's, you know, the story is that he is his son, but he's the reincarnation of he's the soul transplant of oh, so. Well, ISIS took the pieces of Osiris and I don't see it the best way I can, but put the phallus back together, but then implement the seed to then create Horus. And the whole purpose was to take out the brothers said yes, which Horus?

02;18;11;14 - 02;18;39;04

Unknown

His whole goal was to then take out set, and they ended up in like an immortal battle. After that is basically what happened. Yeah, oddly enough, two you were talking about that being like the parallel technology. There's another character who fashioned himself to be Horus, which was Alister Crowley, and he mapped his whole life around that story because his father was essentially killed by the Plymouth Brethren, which were Christians at the time.

02;18;39;04 - 02;19;07;10

Unknown

And his dad had some sort of mouth cancer. And they basically told him, no, we got this like electronic technology for the times. And they said, we'll just pray to God and use this. And he died. So like eight years old. Crowley like, hated Christians. So he fashioned himself to be Horus and set was Christianity. And that's how his whole life was built around this, bringing the Eye of Horus like he was trying to bring out this like Antichrist his whole career.

02;19;07;15 - 02;19;45;09

Unknown

So that's all mapped around this whole, like Horus, Osiris, ISIS story is set, this immortal battle. But you have to put in the idea of technology. And then with that tomb, because it is Egyptian and Egyptians had crazy technology. Yeah. Like the sarcophagus in the King's chamber. Like there's never a body. There's no cartouches. There's nothing on it like, is there, is that for somebody to lay inside there to have some sort of like transfer of consciousness technology, you know, all these tomb, the pathways in the subterranean chambers.

02;19;45;09 - 02;20;05;18

Unknown

And so I got one for you, some kind of technology, just that in our spiritual technology, just in an episode on the Ark of the covenant and the Great Pyramid. And the weird thing about that sarcophagus, when you measure in pyramid inches, it is almost identical to the size of the Ark of the covenant, which is even crazier.

02;20;05;25 - 02;20;30;21

Unknown

So guys like Stephen Quayle, Thomas Horn, and myself, I really like this theorizing, and I've done some digging into it because there are there's a camp of people who believe that the Great Pyramid say, Christians. And I'm not saying they're wrong because, again, this is all theorizing, right? But there's a camp that believes that the Great Pyramid was built by fallen angels like it was fall angel tech.

02;20;30;21 - 02;20;52;18

Unknown

It's got this tech. Whatever. I do believe that fallen angels bow guarded the tech that was there. I also believe the other two pyramids were built by like Nephilim or fallen angels. But I believe that the Great Pyramid is far older than the other two pyramids. If you ever look at like what's inside the Great Pyramid, there's no hieroglyphs, there's nothing in there that's even Egyptian.

02;20;52;18 - 02;21;16;25

Unknown

The only thing Egyptian about it is what they added on the outside of it. Right. But the other pyramids have Egyptian culture all through it. So they were definitely built later. So the idea is because it used to be that the entire Great Pyramid was built with had limestone, all on the outside of it. Here's what's insane. It said that you could have seen it from just about anywhere in the galaxy.

02;21;16;25 - 02;21;38;27

Unknown

It would have shown like the moon. So the the idea and this is coming from some other theologians and guys that I've read, and I really like it, that the actual Great Pyramid was built not by fallen angels, but by godly angels, is a monument to Yahweh, a monument to God. And it was supposed to be there. What happened over time especially.

02;21;38;27 - 02;22;02;02

Unknown

And I'm an old Earth is so I believe there's a flood before Adam. But there was a flood before Adam. Then during that time of these angelic civilizations, when that flood happened, and then it got bull guarded by these fallen angels and these Nephilim, and then they built these other monuments next to it in conjunction with, Orion's Belt and all that, and they connected it to it.

02;22;02;08 - 02;22;27;04

Unknown

So that point, then it became bo guarded by the fallen angels and the technology that was added to it at that point. But originally it was built as a monument to God himself, which is even more mind blowing if you think about it, because it's the precision that it was built with. Here's one for you to do. You know, there are exactly 144,000 stones on the Great Pyramid.

02;22;27;08 - 02;22;57;04

Unknown

Do you know, in revelation they talk about the 144,000? Isn't that crazy? And every single ounce of that great pyramid ties right back into the Bible, even to Isaiah, where Isaiah talks about the monument that will be shown from Egypt as a monument to God. It's insane when you think about it, that way, that actually that it could have been a godly monument that was originally built before it got taken over by all this other stuff.

02;22;57;04 - 02;23;40;27

Unknown

I've always said that technology had to be high, high, high, spiritually advanced people with high, high, extremely high technology. Absolutely. So we have high technology, but we're devoid of spirituality in current times. So we can build iPhones. We can build square buildings with right angles. We're devoid of spirit now, if you start evolving spiritually, like right now, we're in a place where if we go this way, we're living in the Terminator hell of Skynet, or if we go this way, maybe we become a pyramid building civilization again and become we have the spiritual technology combined with the physical technology, and we have to get out of those old ways of of physics.

02;23;40;27 - 02;23;58;11

Unknown

And I'm no scientist, but when you look into these ancient cultures, they had to be at such a high level, consciously and spiritually. They had to a bit. Yeah. Damn.

02;23;58;14 - 02;24;27;05

Unknown

Well, I mean, I feel like, we're actually in a transition right now culturally, where we are becoming, a society of spiritual people. I think disclosure is evidence of that. I think the disclosure they're feeding us is a supernatural disclosure. I've been saying that for, for months now. The very structure of the very ones that structure our society, who for generations have told us that atheism is the way to go.

02;24;27;05 - 02;24;52;22

Unknown

There is no God. It's all evolution. And Carl Sagan believed in God. Carl Sagan believed in God. A lot of you know, you Kaku. He doesn't. He doesn't talk about, you know, just straight, you know, factual materialist scientists, you know, it's got a place. But I think all the early scientists were spiritual guys. You know, they had a spiritual background.

02;24;52;28 - 02;25;12;10

Unknown

You know, maybe it wasn't. You know, back then, Christianity was they had to hide in the dark because of what the Catholic Church was doing. But, yeah, I'm sorry. I mean, more like the architect. You're the ones who are are the architectures of, is it the right word? Architectures? The ones who are architects. I think, you know, it's it's getting late.

02;25;12;12 - 02;25;38;00

Unknown

The ones that are the architects of our culture and society. Oh, yeah. There's a there's there's people. There's the ones in the shadows that are orchestrating things. Oh, I'm with you. Yeah. Have been pushing us in an atheistic direction. Absolutely. But those are the same ones now who are revealing through disclosure this theological disclosure that is like, these are not just these beings that are coming from faraway planets to come here.

02;25;38;04 - 02;26;08;26

Unknown

They're already here. They're it's a spiritual thing. It's why you're seeing these spiritual cults pop up in the disclosure community. Right. And it's I find it I find it very interesting that we're it's like they're circling us back around to a theistic perspective. And with what you just said, is it possible that their goal is to take us back into a spiritual existence, along with the technology, to maybe try to go to, you know, recreate the Tower of Babel kind of situation again?

02;26;08;26 - 02;26;27;15

Unknown

Exactly. We become a breakaway civilization, like a real become a part of the galactic center. It. Here's the thing, me and Bubba, we talk about this. You're going to have the I come in, you know, number one, do you think ETS are getting in their spacecraft and they got to go fly back to the home planet and then clock back in, or clock in?

02;26;27;20 - 02;26;54;06

Unknown

Do you think they have jobs? No. They are focused on expanding their, awareness of of higher and higher evolution of consciousness. We're stuck right now in this money system where if you have it's all run by oil. Let's face it, like the whole economy and Bitcoin is Biden moving. And then Bitcoin is a solution coming to move us away from that system.

02;26;54;12 - 02;27;09;22

Unknown

Or because the system just hasn't done a good enough job. Things like Bitcoin are almost created out of the frickin ether. It's really wild. It is, but if you have all the AI and you have all the robots that are doing everything, well, what do we do? What are we doing? We're going to we're going to what?

02;27;09;24 - 02;27;47;24

Unknown

Go, go to the factories. They're building everything. So then it comes to energy. So if you had if you disclose these craft, you have to disclose the technology of this anti-gravity gravity free energy technology. And if that is released with the disclosure, guess what? Do we really need money anymore at that point they're going to be making everything for us anyways, so there's no reason to have dollars to trade in to fill up your gas tank for you to go to work, to ship plastic around the world.

02;27;47;26 - 02;28;12;16

Unknown

It doesn't make any sense. Yeah. And to that point, and we're talking about the disclosure of spirituality, right. Yeah. I think we're honestly and I mentioned this on my show, I think we're starting to move away from the ancient astronaut theory. We're moving more into a spiritual existence, inner dimensional beings. They're talking about it now openly. That's the bull Bigfoot thing tied back around.

02;28;12;16 - 02;28;33;08

Unknown

So what we were talking about earlier, this was the weird part with the whole thing that came out with the second pyramid of character, when they found these weird spirals going all the way down using the star technology and this hundred and 20m. And I know some people want to argue that it's fake and whatever, I will say this, they did let it get out for a reason.

02;28;33;08 - 02;28;52;05

Unknown

Yeah. So here's what I want. It was a public press conference. Right. But you had to buy a ticket. The problem was, is that the way they mishandled someone leaked the images. Right. So people were scrambling around. I did a pretty deep dive just on, like, how it all unfolded, I think was by design. It could have been.

02;28;52;05 - 02;29;16;02

Unknown

But their team was not prepared to release this information, like the conference was only in an Italian. Right. I don't think it's stilted right now. It's, it's it's you can subtitle it on YouTube. And then obviously their images, they only had a Facebook page where the, the images from the presentation of the AI generated project, the Cofer Project Facebook group.

02;29;16;06 - 02;29;37;13

Unknown

But that is their only outlet, official outlet. It gets better in the YouTube channel. This is what keyed me off though. All the SAR pictures are great, all the 3D imaging that they showed us. Awesome. I kind of already knew that. Anyway, you didn't even have to show me those pictures so let me know. There's a ton of stuff going on underneath these pyramids, right?

02;29;37;17 - 02;29;57;17

Unknown

I think we all knew that, that anybody that suspected that they weren't actually built the way they said they were built. Right. But I when I research, I love to research people and I like to know who people are that are presenting information. Who's this? Let me track this person down. So the lady that presented the information, she's a Talia.

02;29;57;17 - 02;30;21;01

Unknown

Her name was Nicole Cecala. Yeah. So when I tracked who she was, she is the best way to say it. In layman's terms, she is a psychic of text. Like she studies how text, match up to other texts that supposedly are written by the same person over a period of time, but they use psychic manner to be able to do that.

02;30;21;01 - 02;30;45;02

Unknown

So I thought that was fascinating, that she's a psychic, for all intents and purposes. Yeah. And she's the one delivering this information. Right? Then she wants to say, we think we found the halls of a menti. Oh, boy. So that me. So that was so that was the line where they said the halls of a menti. All those, those people, the emerald tablets, they're all freaking out.

02;30;45;02 - 02;31;12;02

Unknown

Why would you say that though? And release that? And how would you know that? That's what that is under there. If you're just looking at what the SA technology's showing you. Yeah. You got to have some other information that you're not telling us because now you're going down a whole other rabbit hole of these mysterious emerald tablets that were supposedly written by those that were actually discovered by.

02;31;12;02 - 02;31;31;01

Unknown

And I forgot the guy's name. Now, I did the, you know, Armando May, who was like the third guy. So Biondi and then the other guy are the are the SA tech not in the Doppler spot, right. The other dude, he's been on Gaia. He's been featured as a blogger on Ancient Origins blog website, which is you know, mainstream.

02;31;31;01 - 02;31;46;26

Unknown

That's those are, you know, pseudo science websites or whatever it is. So yeah, he he's been on those ancient like Billy Carson. Right. He's kind of like a Billy Carson guy. I love Billy Carson, I do too. He's gotten a lot of heat lately. But shout out to Billy, I'd love to have him on my show. I said, this guy's a good guy.

02;31;46;27 - 02;32;06;11

Unknown

Yeah, well, they want to get him in West cell phone here at the same time. Have a great time. And here's the here's the deal with Billy. He was out of his element. Unfortunately, he was not always out to the biblical stuff. I don't think he understood quite as now there's other things, you know, say what you want about Billy.

02;32;06;12 - 02;32;28;26

Unknown

He's an interesting cat. You know, I don't buy all of his books, but he does have some interesting information. Yeah, I think he was. Yeah. No, he's he's extremely intelligent. You know, his kind of, you know, personality is is, you know, his online presence is one of my air conditioners, is, one of my five air conditioners is out.

02;32;28;29 - 02;32;58;21

Unknown

osedly discovered in like the: 1930

02;32;58;21 - 02;33;24;00

Unknown

Morial probably made it all up well. And also, that's not even his real name. That's the best part. Yeah, but I will say this about Doral. So he has some very interesting connections when it comes to these underground beings that supposedly met with him, these Atlanteans. But they look awful lot like what Admiral Byrd ran into when he went into inner Earth.

02;33;24;00 - 02;33;47;03

Unknown

And also, a lot of these Theosophists over the past 100 years also ran into the White Brotherhood, White Brotherhood, the Secret Chiefs, you can go down to the Mahatma is all that stuff. So it made me think that he's met some sort of beings, right? Yeah. He met something. We can say. He made it up all day, and maybe he was gifted these emerald tablets that those.

02;33;47;03 - 02;34;05;15

Unknown

And he thought they were real. And maybe he transcribed them from some being. We don't know exactly, because he's supposedly got these in the Great Pyramid. That was the whole deal. Right. So it gets better. So when you track down the halls of the mint, this goes really deep into Gnosticism. And like, this is supposedly like the barrier, right?

02;34;05;20 - 02;34;23;18

Unknown

So when you die, your soul goes to the halls of a mint and it meets with the demiurge, which some people who are not Christian think that that's Yahweh. And Yahweh is this evil God of the Old Testament. And he battles with the real God. He lives in the Roma, which is like the place we're trying to get to.

02;34;23;23 - 02;34;44;00

Unknown

And then you got Jesus, who's really the son of monad, which is the real God. It's a whole convoluted thing when you get to Gnosticism. When I've been going deep with Gnosticism, because there is a huge contingent of even Christians who believe Yahweh is evil, which is so mind blowing because Jesus literally quotes Yahweh consistently all through the New Testament.

02;34;44;00 - 02;35;14;17

Unknown

I did a whole episode on the evil Yahweh just, just to get everybody's, cheeks tied. So I did, because I got tired of hearing the fact that, like, Jesus was different, and when he literally claims that he's Yahweh and he quotes the verses from the Old Testament. Yeah. In the saying that he is him. So anyway, well, people think that because of all of the early prophets and, you know, the, trying to get, you know, whether it's the, sacrificing their own son.

02;35;14;23 - 02;35;39;13

Unknown

Right? It's, you know, people get that. It's like, damn, that was a evil god, right? God from the Old Testament was, you know, murdering. The best part is, though, is Jesus. Jesus core wasn't murdering people, though. Jesus quotes verses that talk about those specific instances and calls that person his father and literally calls himself him, so God is him.

02;35;39;16 - 02;35;58;19

Unknown

But you have to really understand the Bible and all of the connections to do that, because it's very easy not say Gnostics do this all the time. It's very easy as a Gnostic to cherry pick verses out of context and just start throwing stuff out there and not understanding the full scope of it, and being able to connect the New and Old Testament like it should be.

02;35;58;24 - 02;36;29;22

Unknown

So getting to the halls meant, yeah, I got sidetracked there. So we've got the Demiurge, who is Yahweh, he who is standing there. So your soul goes there. And if you have ascended enough here on this earth, you will become greater than Yahweh, and you will pass into this pleroma, where you'll meet Sophia and the monad. And you're going to move into this next realm and essentially brotherhood where they're it's it's, Mary and all of these ascended masters, right?

02;36;29;23 - 02;36;54;25

Unknown

All of that. And it's all comes from this Helena Blavatsky, and it all comes from Alice Bailey and all of the tenets of Theosophy, which also spilled out into, astral, Crowley and Thelema. And we can get into the Golden Dawn. All of these different sects of cultism breaks into this whole part. So for you to get past your way, you have to ascend.

02;36;54;25 - 02;37;25;09

Unknown

Now, if you don't, if you're not powerful enough, if you've not done enough on this earth to shed your ego right, it's all about burying the ego, killing the ego enough to then become greater than Yahweh, to pass past him, to move into that great white brotherhood or whatever. There's a hundred different names for it. Yep. So if you don't, you just reincarnate back into this, like, right, bucket of souls until you find a new body, you get thrown back into that and you do it all over again until you finally get past it.

02;37;25;14 - 02;37;48;01

Unknown

And that's Gnosticism in a nutshell, and that's literally tied into the hands of a mentee, which Nicole Cecala is saying, they found this place where you're literally going to meet the Demiurge and pass through. So why are they saying that knows the question. Yeah. Why would you go to that? Yeah. Why are you saying that? We think we found the holes of.

02;37;48;03 - 02;38;10;12

Unknown

What makes you think that, though? I need to understand that part out of those SA images. Yeah. That you went there with it. Either you know, something that you're not telling us or you are trying to drive the narrative a certain way to get people prepped enough, discredit people, discredit the researchers. Like that's what I felt like to me when she mentioned holes of the mental.

02;38;10;12 - 02;38;31;08

Unknown

I'm like a little bit early for that, right? Like there has to be a reason why they led with that or she did. They did. And I did look into her background as well, and some of them. But, I was shocked when they said we may have found the holes, like, wow, that is a bit early to be using that specific.

02;38;31;10 - 02;38;52;03

Unknown

And a lot of people did not understand the holes in that part. You know, at all. Many, many people didn't didn't get that, that part of it. But it's connected to the Egyptian Book of the dead, the Tibetan Book of the dead. Yeah. The Native American, pathway of the souls, which is basically like Serpent Mound was a machine to navigate that spiritual process.

02;38;52;06 - 02;39;08;22

Unknown

Essentially. It's by the way, a lot of philosophers did a lot of work out there, too. Sure, sure. Well, yeah, I mean, Ohio's ground zero for the Mormons and, a lot of sex and cults over the, over the years. Careful.

02;39;08;24 - 02;39;29;28

Unknown

It's a strange vibe here. It's a strange road. When we get off this, I'll tell you about what happened to us in Kirtland that I can't that won't even make the film. That is so bizarre and so insane that it couldn't even make the film because of legal reasons. Wow. And you can't talk about it. Not on air.

02;39;29;28 - 02;39;51;15

Unknown

And I can't even put it in the film. Wow. It's a piece of the film that'll never make it there. Okay, we're going to end this now. Well, yeah, I mean, my flutter's good. And just luckily, I gave you guys this. I had to okay. This is a just an England's a part of this too, which makes it even better because he's so what a way to end the show.

02;39;51;15 - 02;40;07;23

Unknown

You guys are incredible. Thank you so much for coming down in studio. This has been a freaking absolute blast. Shout out to Alex there in Master Control. Yeah, we appreciate the hell this is his first day on the job, right? Yeah. What a great guy we just met a great guy. Alex is, hit me up.

02;40;07;23 - 02;40;24;13

Unknown

He's getting into live event production, and somehow somebody up in Cleveland new the strange road, new the strange crew and said you should hit them guys up if you're interested in live streaming and and, they got a whole thing going on. So we've been trying to link up and and here we are. So how long have we been cooking?

02;40;24;13 - 02;40;42;08

Unknown

Because I got it for his first day on the job. He's probably like, Jesus, it's going to be like this every time I'm Alex, I'm going to get you a hotel room. If, by the way, if you if you need it, brother. So. Yeah. Yeah. It's a bit of a drive back up to Cleveland, but, man, again, thank you guys so much.

02;40;42;08 - 02;41;04;04

Unknown

This has been awesome. Let us know where we can find you. Where we can reach out. You can find me at Linktree slash Joel Thomas Media. That'll literally get you to all the music I do that get you all the films I do. That'll get you to the podcast. Free the rabbits and Muckle Media as well. So you can catch me there too, because I'm underneath, Miracle Media.

02;41;04;04 - 02;41;34;26

Unknown

So yeah, that's where you can find me. Yeah. And, for me, it would be The Professionals podcast.com is where the show is hosted. We're on all platforms on YouTube and, if they want to see some of the documentaries we were talking about miracle films.com is where you can do on demand streaming. And, we're going to be opening up that platform to other independent creators, because now that I'm not a producer, dabbling with distribution and so, hey, we'll, we'll be, expanding that to other creators as well.

02;41;34;28 - 02;42;03;02

Unknown

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02;42;03;05 - 02;42;23;13

Unknown

Like like if it's crazy, we talk about it. So, it's hard for me to tell everybody about me other than I was just say, Google me. So that's about it. They're out there, ladies and gentlemen. They are out there, and you can find us at the Strange Road. Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, all over the place. We got the Facebook group, we got the discord.

02;42;23;15 - 02;42;39;14

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