Episode 70

Fireside Chat With Rachel Barkow and Casey Michel

Recorded at our 2025 White-Collar Symposium earlier this month, this special episode gives guests Rachel Barkow and Casey Michel an opportunity to address the issues explored in each other’s books. With host Matt Adams as moderator, Rachel — an author, law professor and former clerk for Justice Antonin Scalia — and Casey — an investigative journalist and Director of the Combating Kleptocracy Program at the Human Rights Foundation — explore the common themes in criminal law that connect their works. Rachel and Casey dig into how constitutional rights, judicial interpretation of those rights and legislative statutes influence both mass incarceration and foreign lobbying. Their conversation weaves together turning points and pivotal figures in U.S. history — Richard Nixon and Bob Dole, the Gilded Age and the 1960s — and identifies how those moments and individuals have shaped today’s realities.