Alex Mack stops by the crabshed to sit down with Jeff and discuss life as rural millennial in 2021. The guys cover romance, local gossip, podcasting, aliens, and Alex does free advertising for several of his favorite local businesses. This one puts you right there in the room and as a listener you get to know a side of Mr. Mack that most people have never seen. Settle in because once he gets going, there is no stopping him.

I hope you enjoy this conversation with one of my favorite guys in the world, and the person who originally taught me how to produce creative digital media, Alexander Mack.

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017- Alex Mack

Note: This transcript was created by Descript media AI and may contain errors.

[00:00:08]I can't find that's perfect. Yeah. So we're pretty good when I'm kinda talking like this, it's always hard for me to speak when I got when I got earmuffs on, because I don't actually hear my voice other than the audio, the recorder. Yeah. Whatever this one is. That's

[00:00:27] Huh? It's we're doing an echo chamber, but I'll turn down our monitor volume.

[00:00:33] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:00:33] Okay. Where's your well, where's your knob at? Let's both turn, turn, order. Turn all the way down. Okay.

[00:00:48] Say something a little loud. Yeah. So yesterday I I found a woodstove on Facebook and it now is my waves. My waves are medium. They're not very up there is that. That's probably perfect. I want to [00:01:00] be medium.

[00:01:04] Alex Mack: [00:01:04] Do something like this.

[00:01:07] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:01:07] it is. It's a lot about the breath, the diaphragm loose and we do some breathing exercises.

[00:01:25] Hey man,

[00:01:31] Alex Mack: [00:01:31] road? Abso-fucking-lutely all right, let's do it.

[00:01:47]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:01:47] the rocket with the headphones on. I like it. I think it makes you feel locked in.

[00:01:55] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:01:55] as young Jamie out there, right?

[00:02:00] [00:01:59] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:01:59] I do need a Jamie though. That would be

[00:02:10]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:02:10] It would have to be trust because you give a lot of power to your Jamie.

[00:02:23] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:02:23] fact checker. He's running things.

[00:02:25] Alex Mack: [00:02:25] behind the curve. And a lot of times people say something, they really don't know what the fuck they're talking about. And when Jamie's there, it's hold on. What the fuck are we talking about? And here's, Jamie's I got you. I got you covered. And as a viewer, you get to see it on the TV, which I feel like your podcast is lacking in the video, but I need

[00:02:44] I don't have, I don't have enough resources,

[00:02:53] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:02:53] I get it. You got to have reaction shots. I want to do it when I can have three cameras. You got it.

[00:03:02] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:03:02] need a wide shot and a facial shot of both the guest and the host.

[00:03:14] Alex Mack: [00:03:14] brings that, that next flavor those layers of flavor you got to have all the right herbs and spices when you're doing a podcast.

[00:03:57] And it, all of my. [00:04:00] Entertainment sensations are being stimulated constantly. We live in a world of stimulation now more than we probably ever lived. It's I think, probably we're overstimulated. I definitely agree. It might be nice to actually be less stimulated, but why I'm we love stimulation.

[00:04:17] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:04:17] to get away from it. We're human. We are so

[00:04:26]I used to know a guy named rebel Bando, man. He would sit there with this rubber band and he'd bang. You just sit there all day on a picnic bench.

[00:04:36] Alex Mack: [00:04:36] park. It was in a campus central Washington campus. And it was every day he had this rubber band, it might've been like a foot long rubber band.

[00:05:00] [00:05:00] He was stimulated by the band by the rubber band. Yeah, that is true. And he got the nickname robo, but rubber band. It's hard to hear myself in this thing.

[00:05:14] Alex Mack: [00:05:14] It shouldn't be too bad and it's one of actually I hate lag when people put me on speaker phone in like when they're in their car or whatever.

[00:05:29] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:05:29] that person again. They're obviously an idiot. Yeah. It's

[00:05:37] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:05:37] Yeah, I don't like being on speakerphone. No. I

[00:05:52] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:05:52] talk any shit you say it like as hello, you're on speaker phone. Yeah, totally.

[00:06:12]It was nice. There's been so many times I've been on speakerphone and I don't know, I'm actually, when I called your brother and you guys were at home Depot, I don't think I was on speaker phone, but you were standing right next to him and you might've been able to hear what I was saying. Cause I have a loud voice.

[00:06:42] I tried to listen, but I was like, man, you don't S you know, for a second there, it doesn't even seem like he's he's ready to go back inside. It's a guest

[00:06:52] Alex Mack: [00:06:52] Yeah. This show, you're going to get a lot of that. But I'm here to have a good time.

[00:06:59] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:06:59] Yeah. Yeah, sure. [00:07:00] We are

[00:07:01] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:07:01] good, we'll take it. We'll take it. The yeah, the Kelly Jacobson one, I was fucking nervous. Like she's a real professional person. Like not just one of my friends. It was legit and it felt very real.

[00:07:17] Alex Mack: [00:07:17] I was nervous. I don't think, I don't think I have actually ever officially introduced myself to her, but we know each other kind of just from. Passing by and, one time, there's probably alcohol involved. It wasn't like a new year's party at the salt.

[00:07:49] She's super smart. I didn't know until I saw the podcast, but I figured she was cause she was a teacher, but I also am like, listen to the way her ideas. Yeah. That was like, I was [00:08:00] like, man, I really like her, it's refreshing.

[00:08:07] Oh yeah. That's a valuable thing.

[00:08:26]Of course I'm a little critiquing bitch. I'm going to say things it's okay. I have nothing bad to say about her, but in that one, I thought towards the end, I heard you just go like and I go, come on, Jeff, come on, man. Come on. I'm sorry. Get back in there. I know in the, in that your guest room down there, you got, you've got lines of cocaine and hookers ready to go.

[00:08:49] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:08:49] fantastic. Hours. Two hours can be exhausting. It's too long. It's not I think it's perfect. But if you're on a road trip or something, you could bust out a two hour one just fine. No problem.

[00:09:06] Alex Mack: [00:09:06] It takes me two listens to really fully hear the whole thing. Cause I miss things in between it, I'll be it's normally a Saturday mornings. I wake up. I I, I get ready to do my Saturday morning house cleanup, and I put it on and I just, it's I'm hearing these familiar voices and listening to these conversations while I'm in a quiet room.

[00:09:34] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:09:34] I don't know. What is it? I would

[00:09:39] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:09:39] I like that. That makes me feel good.

[00:09:46] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:09:46] That's exactly what I pictured when I decided to do Saturdays.

[00:10:00] [00:09:59] Alex Mack: [00:09:59] honestly, like when I first heard you're going to do a podcast, I heard through the, a little birdie, somebody had they kinda, released it. What do you call that? A leak? It got leaked out early, cause people talk and they go, Oh yeah, Jeff is thinking about doing a podcast. And yeah, I thought wow, he's pretty young for a midlife crisis. I go but you know what?

[00:10:26] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:10:26] does. And it's exhausting. It's fun, man. It's

[00:10:40] I go sometimes that's what it takes, pencil it in. You can pencil it in. And we were hanging out you and I, we haven't hung out in years.

[00:10:51] Alex Mack: [00:10:51] You stopped by one once or twice, which week? Vice versa. Yeah. This week we put in some time.

[00:10:57] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:10:57] I stopped by once or twice this week. But [00:11:00] yeah, no, man. I know what you mean. I know you're getting at, you're trying to make me sound bad, but it's all right, because it's just busy.

[00:11:11] Cause I'm not going to, I'm a North ender, I'm a mid drifter, but it's for me to drive to Chinnock just to hang out with a buddy is something I haven't put on my list of things to do

[00:11:29] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:11:29] and visited

[00:11:37] And it's I got all these fun little projects and I'm all constantly doing. And it's really hard for me to break away from that. Especially when I it was living in a trailer for three years and I was like, I'm I don't want, so you're

[00:11:57] Huh? Cause you're never [00:12:00] relaxed until

[00:12:24] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:12:24] your opinion on a toilet closets within a bathroom within like a master bath. Do you, did he, do you guys do those?

[00:12:40] When I take my business. When I do my business, don't be

[00:12:44] Alex Mack: [00:12:44] closet. It's just going to make it smell worse. And I got a window on both sides of me that are openable by, in, in reach. I can open them while I'm sitting there. And and I have a nice fan. It's 70 CFM, which is like minimum, [00:13:00] but it does it that's pretty good.

[00:13:24] Anyways, my hearing is you just asked John Hanson, Papa, John, he got his ears cleaned. He said it was the best thing ever. He could hear again. I think that's what I'm due for that because I really don't hear very well. I don't either, and and so it's the fan really wasn't that, but I hear my cadet heater now, fucking thing's loud.

[00:13:56] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:13:56] honestly

[00:13:59] No, it's like

[00:14:04] Alex Mack: [00:14:04] It's an astounding smell on that podcast. You're talking about that smell. I did. It's a familiar smell. No doubt, but it is basically like dust, like old dried up skin cells that have accumulated on these heaters and then they fire off and it's no, thank you.

[00:14:25] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:14:25] Your house is heated very efficiently. Can you explain a little bit what you did? Cause it's really cool.

[00:14:35] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:14:35] for your lungs, the Woodstone, what I've

[00:14:39] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:14:39] The, just the general air quality. Like the they're like first for me personally, I notice it like when we have a lot of fires, which we have them all pretty much every day. Just cause we all love to have fire and it makes the house cozy and warm and there I it's my favorite way to heat the house.

[00:15:02] Alex Mack: [00:15:02] it can happen in the beginning when you make the fire. Oh, you've got the doors open and some of the smoke is coming into the room. That's exactly what I'm talking about. And and that, it's no worse than sitting by a campfire, which is not probably the best.

[00:15:34] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:15:34] no, that sucks. It's that sounds like a powerful rangehood.

[00:15:50] This one, you can fine tune for certain application.

[00:15:59] Alex Mack: [00:15:59] You do. [00:16:00] And you'd need one just period. Yeah. You need one or else your house is going to stink. If you don't have a range, some people have those microwave range hoods, they don't work.

[00:16:13] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:16:13] they don't even exit the house. Some don't

[00:16:24] Yeah. I know mine, mine's a direct shot outside. There's no nineties. There's one 90, but it's pretty much, that's all it is a 90 and it goes right out. So it's super efficient and it, yeah, it'll suck the F the wood smoke right back into the room. So unless you have a well-established fire, and if you've got good coals and it's burning then it's okay.

[00:17:01] And I, and she's sitting there on her phone and she's not paying no attention. And I'm like, Hey babe, look at how the house is filled with smoke. And she's Oh my bad. And yeah, she might, either way, shit happens. It

[00:17:15] And I noticed that once you have a very specific technique, you get almost none. That's exactly right. And when you see other people who don't have your technique, it's frustrating. And I'm telling this from Melissa's perspective because she's really good at making fires and I'm a fucking idiot.

[00:17:57] You better believe it. It's. [00:18:00] I enjoy it because you can make a quick fire and get it going and just throw a stump in there. And it'll burn all night, keep the house nice and warm. But back to the other forms of heating houses besides the cadet I also have a radiant panels. That's what I was interested in.

[00:18:33]It's it. You're not going to deal with that dusty fart smell. You're not going to deal with a noisy fan. I just got the brand new cadet. It claims it was quiet. It wasn't quiet. That thing goes off. It sounds like there's a train going by your house. It's Oh, okay. Yeah, I might've messed.

[00:19:01] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:19:01] I took his word. He's working for cadet. You're working for cadet motherfucker.

[00:19:11] Alex Mack: [00:19:11] people. Okay. Commission, is he making what kind of commission? I want to know. We gotta dig deeper into this.

[00:19:33] Then, if I could look into my body and prevent something from bad happening by some chip that's inserted, why not? Neuralink, not another great, Elon Musk an invention that, I want to get one. Oh, totally get one. No. A lot of people are paranoid about maybe will, it could be hacked and it could be, everything can be hacked.

[00:20:09] Yeah. Yeah. They're always trying to hack you for your money. I get, Oh, I'm always getting these phone calls from people wanting to know my social security number, these things

[00:20:25] Just the last two or three years, it's gotten so much worse.

[00:20:36] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:20:36] over half of the phone calls I get are not real.

[00:20:43] I know it's ridiculous. Maybe people need to be more informed by these scams. Like we should be teaching people like, Hey, if somebody, if the IRS wants information from you, they're not going to call you. They're not [00:21:00] going to call you that way. They're going to probably send you a letter. That's going to be official.

[00:21:12] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:21:12] you don't have car insurance, you don't have to worry that the people are going to take your car because you haven't paid your car insurance.

[00:21:26] Alex Mack: [00:21:26] but sometimes I'll get us a scam call, and it doesn't matter if they have an accident or not, they're they come in all forms, but sometimes I am just sitting there bored. And I do have a fantastic conversation with this person, and I call them out on their bullshit and they told me to fuck off and it's happened. And I, I think I was just sitting here anyways, what the hell?

[00:21:57] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:21:57] So I'm going to grab some of that sausage.

[00:22:08] They got a good deal on some scotch over there at SIDS. Let's, this is new. I didn't think they sold anything over there and their whiskey department on sale, but they got deals right now. You might wanna check it out, that's gonna be a liability that, that joys or that thing coming down there, they're going to get, you had Hannah Bolden on here.

[00:22:30] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:22:30] too. You brought this stuff.

[00:22:36]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:22:36] Yeah. I thought we could use some ice. That was a great hand. A joke.

[00:22:45] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:22:45] S. And then VHF is the antenna.

[00:22:51] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:22:51] That's the video cassette tape.

[00:22:57] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:22:57] Yeah, that's fine. [00:23:00] Which is a video copier

[00:23:03] So Todd Harper I see him every day and the first time I got to know Todd was at the North jetty brewery and, it just sat down next to him and and we started talking and I think like he always thought maybe Alex is a little redneck, like maybe this guy, you are in the best way.

[00:23:30] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:23:30] country, cultural appropriator, but you're not

[00:23:34] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:23:34] diverse. Redneck, you're a liberal snowflake who happens to like their clothes and the activity.

[00:23:49] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:23:49] great stewards of your property, the Mackkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkks, all of them,

[00:24:01] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:24:01] got a, you guys really have a different way of looking at not just the land, but like the structures too. Like you put a lot of love and care you max into your surroundings and your environment like improves.

[00:24:15] Alex Mack: [00:24:15] Yeah. It's constantly growing and evolving and becoming better and better. That's what we want. We get behind, I shouldn't say we I'm in this new phase, my folks, they get behind because they get busy with their work, and they're getting older, it's getting harder to do those things, but I met Todd, I think for the first time at the jetty at the North jetty and which I've recently become a founder and the recommend anybody who wants to be a founder of North jetty brewery, I saw your name on the wall.

[00:24:54] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:24:54] important. That's, I've always felt guilty about, spending my money on food and drinks.

[00:25:00] Alex Mack: [00:25:00] as a founder. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of reasons to think the times we're living in right now. A lot of reasons to tomorrow too. We've lost over 500,000 people. It's been a hard year. And I think that we've learned a lot, about these viruses and I hope that we'll use this pandemic as a stepping stone to further prevent these outbreaks in the future.

[00:25:47] And in some people it's an important times, it's an important time in their lives to be social. And they can't,

[00:26:06] Cool. And,

[00:26:28] I walk in there and Oh great. It's this, this person

[00:26:33] Alex Mack: [00:26:33] an hour. At least, especially, someone I haven't seen in a while. Oh, forget about it. Then we'll work our way to the parking lot. I never get home.

[00:26:57] It was at a Costco and they don't want [00:27:00] to, you know what? I was in a hurry

[00:27:05] Alex Mack: [00:27:05] shopping, but she was talking to an old family friend or what have you, I can't remember who it was. And it was nobody that important

[00:27:15]The ones who can find that cause. Okay. So when you see somebody that, at the grocery store, or you have a couple different ways you can play it, you can do the old Nope. Never. I just never happened to look over there. Yeah. So

[00:27:29] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:27:29] They do the exact same thing. Yeah. A little unspoken agreement between the two of you and it works.

[00:27:53] I don't think that's necessary. So what I love is a person who can just. Give me the nod. Give me a [00:28:00] quick, hello. Get my, get your greeting out in five seconds or less. Yeah. Don't make me stop and I will make you stop. And we just acknowledged that we both exist and we're in the same building at the same time, really go on with our fucking lives.

[00:28:27] Alex Mack: [00:28:27] when there's been a, like a medical emergency in their past, since they've seen you and they want to tell you about all their doctor visits

[00:28:35] Alex Mack: [00:28:35] I see it. It's you know what, maybe not the best I'm talking about it. Everybody now knows about your condition and that's fine if you're okay with it, I gotta get, I gotta get going. I got to get back home and I got what I needed, but I do feel obligated being the person that I am and the people like the people that know me, that you're life of the party guy.

[00:29:13] Let's get outta here. They want to get home too. And you're giving them that, I don't know that, that reason to keep the conversation going. And you're not, you just got back down sometimes and just move on, let people know that, you got a busy life going on. Cause I do.

[00:29:33] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:29:33] do you notice that more as you age? Oh yeah. I didn't used to feel it so much. I thought my labor was the most valuable thing I had to offer. No, not anymore. Oh, my time is

[00:29:46] There's no, no worries.

[00:29:47] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:29:47] that time, you get some rewards out of it. It feels good. And if you get to talk to your friends or people that you don't know, but you want to learn something from it, there's definitely some benefits.

[00:30:02] I love having you here. That's, people talk about heaven and all this, and where is heaven or do we go to heaven? And I, with that song, heaven's a place on earth and it might be right here right now. This is heaven. All you got is this moment. This is what got, and I get to go home to my beautiful fiance later and talk all about, me and Jeff hanging out.

[00:30:27] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:30:27] we're at a period of generativity in our lives. Like we're just coming into our thirties. We have a little bit of a base established in our

[00:30:35] You and I both have a nice foundation and we're

[00:30:42] Alex Mack: [00:30:42] We're finally comfortable. I've been comfortable before, but not like this, not where I'm like on my own completely and just going to work. Not that cause I have to, I really want to have to go to work, but because, I wanna, be part of a bigger project or be [00:31:00] part of something, but honestly I could just stay at home the rest of my life and I'd be a happy man.

[00:31:18] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:31:18] paper. I did not. I wrote a thing about daffodils

[00:31:27] I think you could take notes, especially this time of year they're they're they're bawling out. They're looking beautiful. They're looking ready. They're looking ready to burst. I don't know exactly when the pavement they're right on the fence line. Yeah, so you're good. But this year, you know what, and maybe for the years in the future, we're not going to hit the fence line no more.

[00:31:52] bulbs.

[00:32:12] There's

[00:32:24] Alex Mack: [00:32:24] I want to get back to Todd real quick. Cause he's the one who sparked this whole conversation. And I, and shout out to Todd Carper.

[00:33:03] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:33:03] on your feet. It's not anymore. No, not a Romeo guy. I don't actually see anybody wearing Romeo hurt my feet. Yeah. They fucked up my

[00:33:10]I think like people associate that with some hardworking dude, but real hardworking people wear sneakers. Because they looked or boots, but it's if you're running up and down, anything don't, you want to wear shoes that allow you to do it better. Why would you want to wear something that has no soul or grip or nothing like this?

[00:33:49] That's so

[00:33:58] Alex Mack: [00:33:58] No, they make special work [00:34:00] sneakers. They do. Yeah. That's cool. They're called work shoes and they, you can buy them anywhere. They, there is a brand called work shoe, but they put it right on the side and that looks too tacky.

[00:34:21] I have a problem with working in the dunes, when we're building a house on the beach and sand, we'll go through those that mesh the end of the day, your foot is compacted. It's so tight in there. Cause it's like sand and your sock and your foot. And it's just you got to pour sand out of your shoes.

[00:34:43] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:34:43] Get that wet grass. Oh,

[00:34:49] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:34:49] those are good. They're good. Like the hiking type sandal shoe, these

[00:34:53] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:34:53] a closed in sandal.

[00:35:07] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:35:07] Oh, these don't have laces. I was going to show you my shoes with like quick laces.

[00:35:29] Alex Mack: [00:35:29] a little I'm wearing suspenders right now.

[00:35:41] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:35:41] supposed to do about it.

[00:35:48]It's all right there. You got a high ass, super high ass. And so I started wearing suspenders and I changed my world. Really. I feel secure about bending over if I have to pick something up pants fit, right? [00:36:00] Yeah. It's hard to find a pair of pants to fit,

[00:36:04] Alex Mack: [00:36:04] all the time.

[00:36:25] And hypothetically I was doing that, we had a harness on you are legit. Yeah. Anyways I overdid it. My, I was definitely too tight on the crotch, but what are you going to do? That's work, man. That's

[00:36:41] Alex Mack: [00:36:41] to the nuts. Oh, they're terrible. I've put on, we put our harnesses on every now and then, if we're working where people can see ya, you have to wear them.

[00:36:55] Alex Mack: [00:36:55] I'd love, like we always joke about, let's build a house for [00:37:00] somebody who works for LNI and see how long it's going to take, trying to put up every safety precaution, and they're going to pay for it. And that'd be like, Oh, you know what, why don't you go ahead and dangle off the side of the roof.

[00:37:18] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:37:18] we got to try to, as humans, like figure out where they need to stay or at least operate for the time being, because it can, if there's no regulations, it's like the jungle.

[00:37:34] Alex Mack: [00:37:34] the one then educational texts. I read instructions. I'll read Facebook comments, but I include audio

[00:37:44] Nope. Nope. That's just like listening to a conversation. Do you like reading? I

[00:37:51] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:37:51] Yeah. Yeah. I do. I haven't had the time to do that really much in my adult life, but I spent a lot of time in books. You use the mock me for that actually remember

[00:38:01] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:38:01] understand it.

[00:38:05] Alex Mack: [00:38:05] I did. I really good.

[00:38:17] Alex Mack: [00:38:17] pull that, do that all the time. They just read their whole life is stuck in a book.

[00:38:37] Your bicep is huge, but what good is that going to do? In fact, it might actually not be good for you. It's possible. It might be your over straining it and your other body that isn't as strong. So it's I don't know if that's the most important part of your brain you need to be working is on a fictional book.

[00:39:09] Yeah.

[00:39:13] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:39:13] trying to bait the guests into talking about it and nobody goes there. It's everyone's afraid. Yeah. I know. I don't get that. I don't

[00:39:39] The

[00:39:51] Alex Mack: [00:39:51] just not an expert at any conspiracies mean either I get suckered into them. I just like them, and some of them like Cunanan, for instance, I don't [00:40:00] understand that one bit. I don't understand the flat earthers. Yeah. I think for me, it's an intention that they want the attention. They like the attention they get from saying, Oh, I believe there were this flat. I'm

[00:40:11] I don't know what else there could be. I think there's a really S like a route you can take in your mind. That's like a very slippery slope for reason where you, if you put on blinders to where you just access your confirmation bias, where it's just you just hunt out specific information that will, prove your point or whatever hypothesis we all do it.

[00:40:39] Alex Mack: [00:40:39] They get, they start going down that slope. And they think the momentum is too

[00:40:49] Alex Mack: [00:40:49] evidence.

[00:41:03] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:41:03] AP unidentified aerial phenomenon

[00:41:06] They had to rename it because it was too many crazy because you have always a conspiracy let's make a new name for it. And you start having these Navy released footages of these, aircraft. They can't explain. What do you think

[00:41:20] Alex Mack: [00:41:20] it's real me too.

[00:41:25] Alex Mack: [00:41:25] Yeah.

[00:41:31]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:41:31] They, it traveled from like 30,000 feet above sea level to sea level in less than one second. And then it traveled from this location where the pilot had visually identified it. And then crazy short amount of time, like seconds later, it was 60 miles away at their rendezvous point.

[00:41:54] I

[00:41:57] Alex Mack: [00:41:57] and also, when you look at a tic-tac shape, [00:42:00] when you're dealing with pressure and you're dealing with these things, it handles pressure. Yeah. That's why propane tanks are what they are. That's why all these all, that's why all tanks are shaped that way.

[00:42:10] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:42:10] strong. Yeah. And if you think about how, the way that I think that those things work, if the, if they exist it would have to be some kind of like gravity envelope where it like, can slice open and somehow become, I love that idea. Untethered from gravity.

[00:42:32] Alex Mack: [00:42:32] It's crazy. I know it's crazy too. When I was watching the Mars, recent Mars landing of perseverance, and that little landing pod looks like a UFO.

[00:42:57] I don't know what else

[00:43:04] Alex Mack: [00:43:04] What do you think about that? He's Israeli. Ex aviation general, who released that he's writing a book about it. So people are very skeptical and they write a book about it. Cause like he's just trying to make money.

[00:43:44] And that they, that Trump was going to release it and say, Hey man, there's freaking, you have holes out there. There's aliens out there. We have contracts with them saying, Hey, we're not going to release to the public that you exist. And and then they, this leaked out or I don't even think it leaked out.

[00:44:22] And we were learning that, Oh, I hope that mankind's learning that that you just can't go into another country and just take it over. I

[00:44:32] Alex Mack: [00:44:32] w but it wasn't that long ago, a long process wasn't that long ago we were we're all about

[00:44:36] It was like, just a couple of years ago, we were still doing that heavy. We might still be, I don't know

[00:44:50] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:44:50] Truer words were never spoken in. Let's have a toast to that.

[00:44:56] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:44:56] I remember Rick Bishop used to say that all the time, too. Our words were never [00:45:00] spoken. That was one of his phrases.

[00:45:13] The guy is old. He probably doesn't have internet, but he was our English teacher and football coach in middle school and football coach and a man, he could get hot, man. Like I got tempered. He was a great teacher. Oh yeah, no, I liked him. I got along good with him. I heard a story about him.

[00:45:32] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:45:32] a long time. Yeah. There's pictures of him in my parents here, book wearing checkered pants. And

[00:45:51] You earned five hacks. A hack is when they whack you with a, it's like a paddle with air with the holes through it. It's like a really get a weapon. I'm pretty sure they call it a hack. I don't [00:46:00] know. I think a whack would sound better cause you whack in somebody, but they call it a hack.

[00:46:23] But really, yeah, it was. He knew I could, or she knew it was whoever they knew that I wasn't gonna be too upset about it, but I had it coming, yeah. It was a broom, whack me in the ass. Been over time, my shoe, and it was whatever,

[00:46:44] Oh, that's degrading. Yeah, it was, I didn't care for it.

[00:46:50] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:46:50] directly in my

[00:46:54] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:46:54] a mole in my belly button. I have a sensitive belly button. Yeah. It actually really hurt. I did. I was [00:47:00] furious. I got

[00:47:02] It's like the special lint trapper. Oh yeah.

[00:47:06] Alex Mack: [00:47:06] Your only person I really let knows about the lint trapper.

[00:47:12] Alex Mack: [00:47:12] Hairy belly. Do ya know? See manscape yeah. I got a hairy belly right now. I always assumed that it was like, the hairs were working the lint all the way down on my belly button.

[00:47:26] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:47:26] it's almost like your belly buttons and drain.

[00:47:35] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:47:35] I took a shower just a couple hours ago.

[00:47:40] Alex Mack: [00:47:40] Yeah. Rick Bishop though was a good coach. I remember he would stand up for the team every time there was a bad call. Oh yeah. He was good. He was good. He would say that was bullshit. That was bullshit. Bullshit. Call ref. He was, he wouldn't care with his powerful lisp, and you don't after Mike Tyson, you don't fuck with a gun with a lisp. These guys got maybe insecurity is that everyone in the [00:48:00] nineties was

[00:48:01] Alex Mack: [00:48:01] and you're all is back the fuck down. But

[00:48:13] I'll give you everything. I've got, you're breaking my heart.

[00:48:28]Have you ever heard

[00:48:30] Alex Mack: [00:48:30] I do it all the time. If you had a stutter right now, I would be able to just, I would be able to do it, but I gotta be around someone with a stutter. And it just it's if I'm around a Hispanic person or a black person, I just mimic, I don't know why I do it.

[00:48:47] Alex Mack: [00:48:47] It actually comes up where they feel comfortable. They're like, I don't know why he's doing it, but he's good. He's good at it. But I have to be around that person.

[00:48:57] Alex Mack: [00:48:57] dialect every time I'm terrible and [00:49:00] embarrassing.

[00:49:15] Yeah. And having to blend in with a bunch of Americans speaking all this weird pig, Latin English, and

[00:49:28] Alex Mack: [00:49:28] it is common to get your food fucked up. Oh yeah. I don't look at the, like when I get handed a take out, I don't study it first in front of them, but Alex does it every time and it's good thing she does because there is a lot of times when you there's no sauce for my spring rolls in here.

[00:49:49] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:49:49] No, you just eat them dry. And you're like pissed

[00:49:55] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:49:55] are we peasants? Yeah. These dry ass, egg

[00:50:02] We like it that way. We like it that way.

[00:50:11] Alex Mack: [00:50:11] I really did it. I remember you used to like that shit. It was like Reese's peanut butter cup, peanut butter, sugary, peanut butter.

[00:50:27] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:50:27] sugar, the government peanut butter tastes like he's got, he's eating candy, yeah. He just has a nice glass of boxed milk and from the powder and nice lucky you,

[00:50:38] You're ahead of the time eat that wonder bread that Carol was eating that whole bread in this thick, bread that I was like, man, I want some of that white bread. I want some of that white bread.

[00:50:56] Oh

[00:50:59] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:50:59] That's where that stuff [00:51:00] came from. I hated that stuff. I had it in my head that the food was bad. Yeah. There's no way that they would give us away for free if it was good food. Yeah. Cause there'd be sometimes like name, brand stuff in there, but it'd be like a box of expire granola bars or something.

[00:51:14] Alex Mack: [00:51:14] a lot of expired food growing up. I did my my, my folks they were frugal. That's how they we grew up frugal. There were immigrants and they, I think they did well for themselves, but like I say, they did exceedingly, if you ask them they're always broke and have no time to do anything that they might listen to this.

[00:51:34] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:51:34] you end up with money. Yeah. You

[00:51:49] They like, I think they'd like just eating a good home cooked meal at home and, and I don't know. There's nothing wrong with that.

[00:51:59] Alex Mack: [00:51:59] eaten a [00:52:00] lot at home. Even with COVID, with all the takeout services now, which is, something that if they didn't like, if some of these restaurants adapt to a better take out, they'd probably want have made it.

[00:52:18] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:52:18] And I've gotten there a lot more at the last year than

[00:52:27] And I think a lot of people did that. I think a lot of people said, Hey, there's never been another. Opportunity like right now to do these types of renovations and might have not been in the best financial time. You asked Trump, we have the best economy, the best, everything. So it would, everybody should have been well prepared to have a good COVID break out,

[00:52:48] If people would, if people had expendable income and listened to the people like Trump, wasn't lying about that. The, he was referring to the stock market and calling it the economy, which is, yeah, it's totally different. It's not the [00:53:00] same thing, but the stock market was killing it. Absolutely. And so if you knew where to put your money, it could have been a good year, but the everybody else, small business everything else fell apart.

[00:53:13] Alex Mack: [00:53:13] It's hard to tell if there's too many there's too many factors in that equation. There's just too many variables. And so what is the economy? The economy has been great in my own personal life, not that I've made any money, but I haven't really I didn't like I didn't do that great this year, but I've had more time to do the things and I can take a little bit of money and get a lot done with my skill set.

[00:53:53] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:53:53] accelerated when the internet hit, Oh

[00:53:57] It just always, it just seems like [00:54:00] we're in this rut of you got to work more hours more time. And for other people Mo most of the time, it's not really, it's not for yourself. And I've always a complaint. I don't have no time for myself, and in this year, it finally with, working in a family business and having, the stay at home orders and this and that, I was like, fine.

[00:54:38] And then, and I got excited

[00:54:45] Alex Mack: [00:54:45] It's amazing. Like before I asked Alex to marry me, I couldn't go anywhere without people going what are you going to get married?

[00:54:53] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:54:53] after your first date? Cause you both,

[00:55:10] And people will,

[00:55:20] Alex Mack: [00:55:20] I, I thought Oh, we should go. And then I thought I have I don't leave home ever. And like Vegas, that's a far trip for me. We

[00:55:26] Like we made it down a little bit. Not necessarily to keep people away, but to give people the license to say nah. Cause I really, and neither did Melissa. We didn't want people to come. Because they felt obligated,

[00:55:45] You'd feel it. You feel the parking lot, but, and there's a church right next door. It would be if it would have worked. But I understand we feel the same way right now. Man, we can't go, to a restaurant without people excited about our wedding, like they will all [00:56:00] want pizza.

[00:56:01] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:56:01] people feel like they're doing you a favor by coming to your wedding, throwing this party for you guys. Yeah. We get to get married and that's for us. But the parties for

[00:56:18] Whatever's comfortable for us. And we were talking about it yesterday. People are asking from out of town we gotta get plane tickets going. You guys want to get married in August. We're gonna have to start booking plane tickets. And it's, don't let it get to you, man.

[00:56:46] I leave it. I brought up some things you didn't have no idea what the fuck I was talking about. And I was like, Hey dude, I was on your podcast. I listened. But I listen to everything Alex says, but sometimes when I'm overwhelmed, I just try not to let it get to me, like when she wants to talk about the wedding, it's we've had a lot of talks [00:57:00] about the wedding and we just need to pull the trigger.

[00:57:10] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:57:10] did you plan something out or did you do it on a whim or both? I did both.

[00:57:19] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:57:19] put it in our chicken McNuggets.

[00:57:30] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:57:30] That's cute, man. That's a connection I can

[00:57:42] Okay. And I'm going to cook it up. And I'm going to have, some good bread and maybe a salad. Oh man. I'll do it. And so if that's all she asks for Valentine's day that we have a steamer clam dinner, what a good girl, like she's not asking anything crazy. We're not going out to a restaurant and spending [00:58:00] hundreds of dollars.

[00:58:04] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:58:04] were nice. They were really, Oh, I got those same flowers. She's still in the house. They're great. Oh yeah. She didn't see it coming. She had the 49.9, nine ones are

[00:58:13] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:58:13] there. It took them a bit to bloom, but it was worth

[00:58:16]I was thinking about it. And then the lady that was packing the shelves

[00:58:22] Alex Mack: [00:58:22] She was sitting there and I said, what do you think? I pretty much forced me to

[00:58:26] Alex Mack: [00:58:26] I just asked her what should I get from my fiance? And she

[00:58:32]Alex Mack: [00:58:32] Essentially she said to me, essentially, she said, you're going to get your Dick suck if you get these motherfucking files right here. And I go, okay, I didn't think about it, but the white and red. Significant it's significant for a bridal, so as a fiance, I thought Hey, let's get the white and red ones.

[00:58:55] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:58:55] she contrast is kinda nice. Yeah.

[00:59:05] Cause I didn't deliver them till she was already asking questions about flowers. Oh, it would have been nice to have some flowers, and I go, Oh yeah, I know

[00:59:16] Alex Mack: [00:59:16] I was like, I gotta go pee. And I stepped outside and went in the garage and grabbed him and she just, Oh my God.

[00:59:41] Oh, you got it. I got it. You got it. You gotta get on your knees. If you don't get on your knees. You might as well just start all you might as well just find a new girl at that point, like, all right. I fucked up, it was nice to know. Yeah. Forever. Oh. It gets brought up all the time and I, sometimes I get annoyed by the conversation like Jesus, and it's not easy thing to

[00:59:59] Yeah. [01:00:00] What happened to that costume saying you're going to suck my Dick.

[01:00:24]And I find, I, you know what, though? I did the human thing. We make mistakes. It's just now

[01:00:37] Alex Mack: [01:00:37] oversight. She definitely agreed.

[01:00:59]It's a [01:01:00] little

[01:01:02] Alex Mack: [01:01:02] totally is. And I I told myself like, cause we were living in a trailer and we were going. We were going through a lot it was just working, living in this fifth wheel winners here on the peninsula are wet and, trailers.

[01:01:20] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:01:20] moist half as much time as in a

[01:01:33] So I told myself when we get a bedroom out of this trailer, that's when I'm gonna marry her. And it happened to be within a month of that. I got in that bedroom. I said, okay, it's going to have, so I knew I wanted to propose soon. And then Valentine's day was coming around the corner and I said, hell yeah, let's do it.

[01:01:56] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:01:56] you tell anybody ahead of time? What about your brother?

[01:02:10] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:02:10] And to build a picture of you that I didn't really fully know about, that you are, you're a compartmentalizer. What does that mean? You take parts of your life and you put them in little boxes in your mind. And then when you don't need them, you just keep them in the boxes. And sometimes a anxiety is one of those big part in there.

[01:02:45]Yeah,

[01:02:55] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:02:55] that's. We all do it. Oh wait, this is maybe the least sweaty I've ever been. [01:03:00] So

[01:03:08] Like you might be hiding some shit right now and you're compart, putting it in compartments, like you're saying. Yeah. But I I definitely do that. I think that's organizational skills, like you got it for sure. You gotta be able to, and I've always been pretty good at organizing, I think a lot of people

[01:03:41]Jeff Nesbitt: [01:03:41] I hope I didn't offend anybody in that way, but I was a dumb kid. I like, I've always liked to say shit that riles people are dumb kid ruffle feathers. Every kid is a dumb

[01:03:56] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:03:56] I don't know about that. But I was definitely looking for ways to you want have been a

[01:03:59] Alex Mack: [01:03:59] evil,

[01:04:01]I'm not evil.

[01:04:07] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:04:07] that stuff I did do. That was evil. Yeah. But

[01:04:10] Alex Mack: [01:04:10] was right with you going hell yeah, that sounds like a good old time.

[01:04:17]Because when I, as an adult, it's so easy to be horrified and be like, think about the implications of your actions. You're like knowingly inflicting pain on this other human being and enjoying it. Yeah. It's not good. That's so bad for your psychology. So that's why parents are so necessary.

[01:04:41] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:04:41] And I was so mean to Jake. Yeah.

[01:04:49] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:04:49] probably were like, yeah, take it easy.

[01:05:00] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:05:00] it was, and that wasn't a typical living situation. So you had, can you explain a little bit about your, the, your parents and your aunt and uncle coming into the country?

[01:05:10] Alex Mack: [01:05:10] do you

[01:05:14] Alex Mack: [01:05:14] pour myself another grill.

[01:05:29] Alex Mack: [01:05:29] right then. Yeah. Then I need whatever else you got going say that

[01:05:34] Alex Mack: [01:05:34] just turned it back on. Oh, he's son of a bitch.

[01:05:39] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:05:39] okay. Here's the deal though? We don't have to use the headphones anymore. I don't think if you don't want

[01:05:46] This

[01:05:49] Alex Mack: [01:05:49] too.

[01:06:01] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:06:01] You can get up real close into your NPR voice. Oh yeah. That's always good. Ooh. Okay. Or you can get it back here and push out like Whoa.

[01:06:17] Alex Mack: [01:06:17] Yeah, he does. It's this it's like a roar. Yeah. He's a

[01:06:27] Alex Mack: [01:06:27] magical.

[01:06:39] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:06:39] Podcasts are time consuming. They're great. Yeah. It's it takes a long time to listen to them and it takes a lot longer to make them.

[01:06:47] Alex Mack: [01:06:47] yeah. I bet you're in here. Slaving away, trying to edit out all the shit and fuck words that I'm saying. Fine.

[01:06:58] Alex Mack: [01:06:58] are we going again? Yeah, we're going again. [01:07:00] We're back in. All right. What was that last? You were asking me something.

[01:07:06] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:07:06] yeah. So when we were young, we lived maybe not a Stone's throw, but maybe two stones throws.

[01:07:19] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:07:19] other. You could have hit me in the back of the head with a potato with that potato gun you had. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. , when did your parents come over? In 78. 78. Wow. Yeah. So what happened? How did he get here? How did that, how did all that happen? I don't even know.

[01:07:37] Mimi. You remember me? Oh yeah, great girl. She was fantastic. She was, she had a lot of character, and like when I was a child, she was getting older and, like maybe our paths weren't right at the time. Cause like I was young, didn't know what to expect, I expect a, this grandma and she was going through maybe starting to get borderline crazy.

[01:08:14] Like she lied, she knew she was going to have it. And so when she said you're going to hell at her,

[01:08:25] Alex Mack: [01:08:25] it. Yeah. Oh she could be mean to me, but she also, she was also just the biggest sweetheart, and everybody loves everybody.

[01:08:53] And, but when people get older, those expectations they need you need to learn how to live.

[01:09:02] Alex Mack: [01:09:02] Oh, yeah. She thought I was a hot shot, she called me a

[01:09:06] Alex Mack: [01:09:06] Yeah. Yeah. And towards the end she ended up going in a nursing home and she was getting pretty.

[01:09:33] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:09:33] that a little bit?

[01:09:34] Alex Mack: [01:09:34] No, I don't. I want to fit in

[01:09:39] Alex Mack: [01:09:39] sheets, that's why you and I get along so well, man, you're a black sheep too. I know, you've got your dad's name, but you're not nothing like your dad, he's another black sheep, but I am actually a lot like my dad, I am like my dad and I, we're not carbon copies, but like people say, we look just like identical.

[01:09:58] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:09:58] and more all the time. If I [01:10:00] would've known your dad at 30, I think it would've probably

[01:10:13]That's probably my fault, when it comes about what mostly my work at etiquette, I'm he's a workaholic for sure. And that's, he stresses and he feels guilty when he's not working. So do

[01:10:27] Absolutely.

[01:10:43] I feel

[01:10:51] Alex Mack: [01:10:51] what's perfection, it's all relative. And as long as we're having a good time, that's all good for me. And as long as the product's good, but he takes it to another level, like a whole nother level.

[01:11:12] Like why he has a reputation.

[01:11:28] Alex Mack: [01:11:28] Yeah. You're learning every day you're learning and even my dad learns every day and that's why he is got a reputation.

[01:11:34] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:11:34] guys are not contractors. You just do you just build custom homes. Was that your main gig?

[01:11:59] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:11:59] So it's [01:12:00] not their artistic expression. It's just they were trying to build a place to make a house.

[01:12:25] And it's good. Just like the

[01:12:38] Alex Mack: [01:12:38] you take credit for any of it because I'm just like the bottom bitch doing all the mule work, learning.

[01:13:29]Trudel like Trudy or truth or Trudel I think it was, yeah, that's what it said on the Cardi. I still don't know that I still own my own turtle group. And she she met Ozzy Steiner. And I don't know if they met in Germany. I think they did. And I think he had already lived in America or he's been back and forth.

[01:13:52] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:13:52] how I first met him. Yeah. He was Santa Claus. That's not how I first met him, but there's a story there. I'll tell it to me. He made a good

[01:14:04] He had it. And and I really didn't know him as a grandpa. He was, I was, I think they had already divorced. Like by the time I was born, maybe right around the same timeframe, but anyhow, they he liked it here and they moved here. And then my folks young 78 live in the hippy dream in Germany, they said, Hey, we wanna, we want to try with the land of the free is all about, and they came and visited grandma and they said, yeah this is fantastic.

[01:14:36] You don't just break balls and remelt them and use them again. They clean their bottles out and they were using them, it seems a lot better. Yeah. And there's a incentive, like when you buy a crate, a beer, you're mostly paying for the vessel. The beer is actually pretty cheap.

[01:15:05] I would hope that if you put your aluminum cans in the recycling bin, they would, but then the cost to remelt and

[01:15:17] I think they need to start investing more in battery tech. They are actually, Elon Musk is all about that shit, but battery, because that's going to go hand in hand with solar batteries and solar.

[01:15:29] Alex Mack: [01:15:29] always watch, the new innovations in batteries, but I don't understand it, but I like, I pay attention,

[01:15:39] I'm concerned that they're going to mine all the lithium. What was that about? Or people talking about that?

[01:15:52] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:15:52] a psych, it's a psychiatric drug.

[01:15:58] Alex Mack: [01:15:58] I know a couple of people on lithium. [01:16:00] I don't understand how it. It really works and why it works in a battery, but it also works for people in that are manic, but like amazing

[01:16:09] Alex Mack: [01:16:09] run out. No, I don't. I hope not. I'm not either.

[01:16:14] Yeah. And actually it's like a rare metal, but it's not that it's like expensive lithium all over the place. Yeah. I got one thing on my pocket right now.

[01:16:27] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:16:27] Oh. I was like, Nicole, something lose all their metals with their

[01:16:39] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:16:39] That guy is pretty cool. What do you think of Elon Musk? What's your what's your Elon Musk take? If you have a hot take.

[01:16:50] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:16:50] know,

[01:16:55] Alex Mack: [01:16:55] would always flatter you like any chance I have, but when I watch [01:17:00] Ilan telling me

[01:17:01] Alex Mack: [01:17:01] really think?

[01:17:20] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:17:20] he seems weird enough for that to be true.

[01:17:22] Alex Mack: [01:17:22] he's a weird guy. Yeah. He's weird. When he watches like interviews. There, he has a way about them. That is he spends a lot of time. He's very distracted in his head. It's Mo it's like he really has to navigate his brain differently than most people, he, he thinks about what he says.

[01:17:51]I know that, but I understand genius when I know when somebody has the capabilities, it's like that fucker is genius. And so I can make [01:18:00] that distinction. I can see it. And I think a lot of people miss that and they may a lot of people are right now, given bill Gates shit, cause he's doing all these interviews on climate change and all these innovations that he wants to do to prevent climate change from happening and what we need to do.

[01:18:27] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:18:27] All this bill Gates stuff. I have zero. I love bill Gates. I didn't fine.

[01:18:31] Alex Mack: [01:18:31] No. Oh, he's smart. He's smart. He he developed Microsoft, but he uses a Mac computer. You know what I mean? Like when you watch him in his, every he's using a Mac, I'm like that motherfucker smart. Okay. He knows this shit better than what I got, but he made a lot of money on it.

[01:18:45] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:18:45] There's this book called outliers. And by Malcolm Gladwell. And it's about, it's all about . How, there's a statistical advantage to going to being a older for your class. And because statistically like the bigger kids in sports, especially will [01:19:00] get more attention because they're a little bit better what you were.

[01:19:10] Alex Mack: [01:19:10] That's what my dentist always says. She or my hygienists, she she'll be cleaning my teeth and she's man, you got them nice strong German teeth. And I'm like, I don't know what that means, but I do grind the shit out of them at night.

[01:19:44] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:19:44] intelligence.

[01:19:46] Alex Mack: [01:19:46] And I think there are certain connections in my brain that I do think I'm like, Hey, I do think a little bit differently in some things that are helpful for, my life. But when it does come down to like pure academics, I've always felt like I struggled.

[01:20:06] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:20:06] when I have a conversation with you, you're somebody who I have to make sure I'm not being bullshitty. Yeah. Because you'll call

[01:20:13]You can throw me in halfway during a movie and I know exactly what the fuck's going on. Yeah. But like John wick.

[01:20:21] Alex Mack: [01:20:21] It's pretty good. You don't fuck with the man's dog. Don't do it. That's what you get when you fuck with a man's dog. No, I. I watch recently I just started Schitt's Creek.

[01:20:37] Alex Mack: [01:20:37] That's I, I've, I think I started the first episode a couple of times, a couple of times, and I thought

[01:20:47] Alex Mack: [01:20:47] like the same eyebrows, Eugene Levy.

[01:20:53] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:20:53] too. Yeah. Oh, okay. He's

[01:21:03] Yeah. What's his

[01:21:08] Alex Mack: [01:21:08] Yeah. He's super dry. Yeah. But he's funny as fuck. And his kid is super funny and they both, the dynamic is like, it's dry humor of the max and it is super dry, but it is once you catch on to they are just, they know they're being funny, it's that's fucking good.

[01:21:28] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:21:28] sit-com? Yeah. Is there fake laughs or not fake last? Is there a studio audience? No. Okay. Because that will

[01:21:38] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:21:38] to me in my brain makes us be like,

[01:21:43] Really. It's like friends or, yeah. They are always an audience in there. But it's not even there's like the office where they're following them around. It's not like that either.

[01:22:06] Alex Mack: [01:22:06] That was probably one of my

[01:22:11] Alex Mack: [01:22:11] somebody who was in the audience. Okay. So you're a lot you could you could be like, Oh, I want to be on that show. And you get on the real show by being on the fake show. Yeah. And to watch

[01:22:21] Alex Mack: [01:22:21] Yeah, it was, yeah, it was fantastic. We had shit like that around here was like, I don't want to be on that show. Yeah. I guess we do I think you could penal don't want to watch the get on the prices, right?

[01:22:35] Alex Mack: [01:22:35] don't know. I don't know what the social distancing and everything.

[01:22:46] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:22:46] shows. Okay. I had a friend who was on prices, right? I did. Did ya? Yeah. My friend Maggie, shout out Maggie, shout out. Maggie listening. Good for you.

[01:22:57]That's a big time in it, I hope I'm not wrong

[01:23:00] Alex Mack: [01:23:00] Maggie. Doesn't matter what you do. You're going to do good. You already sound like, I don't know Maggie, but if you have the name Maggie, she was cool. You gotta be cool. I've only known cool. Maggie's that reminds me of another show ball busting, and I hate using this expression, but like the Jewish humor it's the best.

[01:23:35] Yeah. That's a good show. Yeah. I only watch it when I go up to Alaska though we watch a lot when you're on Anchorage and you've got the TV on the boat, that's all there is really do up there. Like I'm going to watch a couple of times. Yeah. And it makes you feel like you're

[01:23:48] There's a lot of good sitcoms. And once you get

[01:23:52] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:23:52] one? Goldberg scope. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's a sit-com for sure.

[01:24:06] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:24:06] short for situational comedy.

[01:24:16] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:24:16] No, I should have clarified that clarify. I don't know why

[01:24:20] Because they're all situations.

[01:24:31]

[01:24:46] Just seem to see something. Yeah. You're like that's exciting. But now it's Oh, that looks like it was fit. It just, I don't know. I've lost interest in newer movies. I, there hasn't been a new movie that have, that has came out other than the Avengers. That was [01:25:00] pretty.

[01:25:01] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:25:01] are fantastic. Don't get me wrong. But yeah, I think you're right. Something about the old analog systems with a D like you, the antenna at my house, growing up

[01:25:16] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:25:16] No, that's the funny thing, because I always thought that's one of the ways we were just like way worse than everybody else.

[01:25:30] Alex Mack: [01:25:30] have shit. And like my folks,

[01:25:36] I remember at one point you got cable before I did. For sure. Yeah. Then the world changed for as a cable satellite. That's right. We did you have one of those big ass satellites take

[01:25:53] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:25:53] that was a German satellite, but we

[01:25:56] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:25:56] Did you get shit from the FBI for having a German satellite in your

[01:26:07] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:26:07] were just little ways all over the place. Yeah. And

[01:26:12] Now you don't have nothing like that. No more. I don't know. I wish we still had

[01:26:19] Alex Mack: [01:26:19] hand. Oh yeah, no, nowadays we got spectrum TV or we got internet. That's how we just use the internet too.

[01:26:26] got

[01:26:29] Alex Mack: [01:26:29] And w where do you think that came from? Fiber optics? Where did they learn

[01:26:33] Alex Mack: [01:26:33] did they learn that? I thought that it was reversed engineered from a UFO wired. Really? That's what I keep. That's what everybody says.

[01:26:53] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:26:53] watch the Bob Lazar our interview? Yeah. Did you watch the documentary? That's pretty amazing. Oh my God.

[01:27:12] Alex Mack: [01:27:12] fact that he found these things, which thing

[01:27:17]Alex Mack: [01:27:17] But the he was like reverse engineering the alien spacecraft, but it was something that was found like as an artifact. They're like this is they didn't, it wasn't a recent like it wasn't a UFO that like, just crash, landed. He was like, wow, this is something they found deep somewhere.

[01:27:48] They they all say it's until I see the evidence, I then I don't believe it. And there is, other than you

[01:27:57] Alex Mack: [01:27:57] That's crazy. It's like never thinking of [01:28:00] sharks when you're jumping into the ocean, it's or jumping in the ocean with like blood in the water, like with live bait in the water.

[01:28:13] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:28:13] If there are sharks around, they're being awfully shy. Yeah. Yeah. It's Oh, you're not in the water yet.

[01:28:23] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:28:23] an alien. We all know it. He's an alien, but he's awesome. And I love him. He's

[01:28:34] I think that's why he drives himself crazy hate ourselves.

[01:28:42] Alex Mack: [01:28:42] well, because I see it mostly in myself, the older, I guess I get, and the more that I learn, the more I realized, I don't know, fucking nothing, . I don't know shit, but like in there, there's so many songs about how, like I know less than I knew when I was like 18, and it's it's [01:29:00] true. I don't like the more I know about something, the more I realize, man there's a bigger world out there. And I think that if you can acknowledge that, that there is human error and that there's we all make mistakes every day.

[01:29:38] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:29:38] yeah.

[01:29:43] Alex Mack: [01:29:43] planet. Yeah. People that don't think they make mistakes are very naive. I think that's the best way to put it.

[01:29:54] Alex Mack: [01:29:54] Big numbers is always scary.

[01:30:09]Because shit's changing the world changing, we're

[01:30:13] And so when I think about like where the future of America should go, I think it should continue to evolve, continue to hopefully become better than it was in those days that they're talking about, because why wouldn't it? Everything else seems to render itself into a better form. And we shouldn't like try to, there's a couple of words for it that they'll call pioneering it or, keeping things not primitive, but they want to go back to that classic fifties textbook, and that's not that didn't work, then it might've seemed easy.

[01:30:52] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:30:52] easier life. And you can make everybody just agree to believe the same

[01:31:11] It was a

[01:31:14]Alex Mack: [01:31:14] Okay, like Elon Musk said they ask them when do you think humans can make it to Mars? He says that depends. If there's any Wars, if there's a war, it will be years.

[01:31:32] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:31:32] I hope that's true, but I don't feel that's true.

[01:31:38] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:31:38] war II save the American economy. And a lot of war has been really great for the economy.

[01:31:45] Alex Mack: [01:31:45] was no world war II. We did. You think of the Hanford or the Manhattan project that just destroyed the EcoSys. We put so much radiation in the water and just for like war effort, in the Mount. Yeah. There was a lot of [01:32:00] innovations, a lot of innovations like came out of world war II.

[01:32:09] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:32:09] moon landing came out of world war two.

[01:32:19] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:32:19] after world war II, operation paperclip, they took the Nazi scientists because they're like we're not going to kill these guys.

[01:32:36]Alex Mack: [01:32:36] , if there was no world war II, he would have took someone to the moon.

[01:33:04] You know what I mean? Like that I, we don't really hear much anymore about it, ISIS or ISOL.

[01:33:12] Alex Mack: [01:33:12] knocked out. They got knocked out or carpet bombed or whatever. We, they got the drone and they got the drone and that's something we see right now. Like everybody was like, Oh, America's military was declining and was terrible.

[01:33:40] And they have these little tips and they can do facial recognition and just kill bad people. Instead of civilians, they have some amazing, I shouldn't call it amazing, but it is amazing tech

[01:33:52] Alex Mack: [01:33:52] that it's like out of the future that we have, but yeah. Yeah. We need to keep building these giant aircraft carriers and these, [01:34:00] all these just obnoxious war equipment when it's technology came along, like they talk about AI.

[01:34:18] There's always going to be a little bit of a cultural divide, but I think the war, the Wars between people just, I hope it comes to an end. There's still, it's hard haters gonna hate, like you said, know it is going to hate.

[01:34:35] Alex Mack: [01:34:35] The think that, we can keep our education system strong, keep it going good.

[01:34:46] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:34:46] most important thing it's worth investing in education in health. Yeah. Yeah, but it's almost, is our future for Any kind of major change. Like we're not going to fix healthcare in one generation.

[01:35:14]Alex Mack: [01:35:14] I do think though that these kids are gonna have a different set of skills. Like when we were kids, like they're already adapted to these, the access to the internet where they can it's instantly. If they want to learn something, they don't even really need a teacher. They can just look on their phone and have this knowledge.

[01:35:36] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:35:36] yeah, exactly. You can explore whatever you're

[01:35:49] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:35:49] struggling and they just don't have the energy

[01:36:00] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:36:00] upbringing, and they taught me to be

[01:36:04]But like you just you could have wound up just like your parents, and that's normally the norm, like a lot of people walk the same footsteps

[01:36:25] And so I did, but it's made being a religious person very hard. Oh,

[01:36:41] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:36:41] Nah, I snuck in once as a teenager,

[01:36:45] Yeah. I got baptized. I accepted God in my heart twice. Was

[01:36:51] Alex Mack: [01:36:51] time? Like for insurance, I want to make sure, shut up. They asked me how have you done it? And I'm like I did, but I don't know if it counted, let's do this thing again.

[01:37:20] You're just going to get, go put it in the ground when he died. And I go, Oh man, that sucks. And then I was a little like hurt by that, but then it did, I feel like I've freed my mind to start looking at different alternative ideas in that you can explain things without just using the God card right away.

[01:37:52] And when the wind blows, it's going to knock things over because there's wind blowing through there. There's other ways of looking at things. And

[01:38:04] Alex Mack: [01:38:04] Are you,

[01:38:06] Alex Mack: [01:38:06] There's people

[01:38:10] The, it seems like you have a very I'm a spiritual don't get me wrong. No, you have a very relatable perspective to me you lose faith in humanity, it's at a certain point. And you're just like everything that starts out beautiful, ends up getting corrupted.

[01:38:37] You're connected to your home, to the earth, to the place you live. And totally that is God, all of that stuff has God. God is what holds it all together to me. Everybody has a different lens to see the world through and experience life through.

[01:39:00] [01:38:59] Alex Mack: [01:38:59] Yeah. We're definitely curious, and how we got here, isn't really the question that I ask, but what we're going to do while we're here is the question I, that I like to ask and I would just want to leave the place better than I got it.

[01:39:30] It better be like oil or tuned up, whatever it is. I borrowed if it was a boat or if it was a quad or whatever, he didn't care as long as he got it back better. And it's a great policy now, especially as a borrower, I don't know if he even followed those principles. And he had a sticker in his truck that used to say take care of your equipment and it'll take care of, and I seen him just abuse equipment, and I, it made me realize, fuck this guy, like this guy, like he sets all these principles up but I where I'm going with it is I actually [01:40:00] follow that.

[01:40:20] They'd come back with a leaky tire or come back and, the bucket might have, and I don't remember making it all, the straight as a cutting edge on the bucket and the cutting edge has got all warped and fucked up. So when you like, want to Backblaze or whatever, you're not planning on a nice straight edge anymore, and so it's

[01:40:41] Alex Mack: [01:40:41] of him. Yeah. Nothing like growing up with that guy, you couldn't get away with nothing. He was so observant. He's looking for it. Anytime I see him, he's always staring at my eyes, staring at what I'm wearing, and he's just looking what can I criticize or observe about my child here?

[01:41:02] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:41:02] it. He sees it. Why do you think he's always thinking that? Or is it sometimes, maybe you're paranoid. He's always looking for,

[01:41:10] So if nothing, if he says nothing, I know I did. Okay. He also used to say in the German culture we don't give compliments because you're expected to do your job, and and I said a lot of bullshit, like when people get called women, so they do a better job, but he says, that's what you're there to do in the first place.

[01:41:39] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:41:39] difference.

[01:41:42] Alex Mack: [01:41:42] No, hell no. We sugar coat everything. Yes. I love to butter up people and full of sugar. And then people get used to that. That's what they expect too. And it's so there is a fine line in between. There is there's an equilibrium there where you should try to do good for your own wellbeing, but [01:42:00] also to impress, in my case, my dad's my employer.

[01:42:11] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:42:11] When they come, I bet they sure feel sweet. Oh yeah. They just really

[01:42:19] I just you start crying what you expect, what the fuck that will you give me a compliment for it? What's your problem? Like for my other employers, when they give me a good yet, a good compliment, yeah. It's it feels good. Yeah. It makes me want to work harder.

[01:42:34] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:42:34] you're on the right track. Yeah. It's we're all we all. No one knows what we're doing now here. No, everyone's just winging it,

[01:42:54] This is heaven, enjoy it while it lasts, that's why I try not to, be let down too [01:43:00] much because it's like, this might be it. There's a good chance. This is it. You

[01:43:23] Alex Mack: [01:43:23] it doesn't mean nothing.

[01:43:31] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:43:31] real quick. I'm not saying it doesn't mean anything to everybody. I'm just saying me saying it in this moment. Isn't a communicating an idea because my view of heaven is it's not the same as what everyone else thinks.

[01:43:45] Alex Mack: [01:43:45] Yeah, I bet you on a Saturday morning when you wake up next to Melissa and you guys are, have some time for each other. That's heaven. That's my heaven. I know with Melissa, I mean with mine, but like when I wake up on a Saturday, I [01:44:00] know I'm sure if I woke up next to Melissa, I'd be happy just as happy.

[01:44:16] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:44:16] to you is like a, is something you don't need.

[01:44:21] Alex Mack: [01:44:21] is present.

[01:44:28] Alex Mack: [01:44:28] to be. It's a great place to be. And I try not to convert people to believe that, but I've talked to a lot of reasonable, talked, a lot of people that are heavy in the church and, or pastures.

[01:44:58] Even this little peninsula, we live on the [01:45:00] amount of paradise you can find here, even when it rains, like you were talking about Oh man, I love just sometimes going out in the rain, getting a little wet, getting a little fresh air, like you said, it purifies the air. There's beauty everywhere we look and what's wrong with just enjoying the presence or the present time in just like accepting, like this might be all it is.

[01:45:38]I work in construction. Okay. This work sucks benefits just

[01:45:43] Alex Mack: [01:45:43] to work hard, easy doing construction. Like you've been doing it. Yeah. And you you were going to come over the other day and you're like, man, I'm just tired. I don't want to come over. I just worked my ass off.

[01:46:10] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:46:10] home and hanging with your loved ones,

[01:46:32] If I need it, take a break, I go out and breathe some fresh air and just, and I just don't understand like some people, but the thing is like you were saying you finally feel comfortable to do a podcast cause the foundation that you've created and that's the key, like you gotta find that first.

[01:47:12]And I had the most time I've ever had yeah. This year. So it's I've had time to just really enjoy life, and and I'm doing it everyday. I'm here right now, talking to you and it's like what more do I want in this life? And then when this life is over, you know what, I can look back and say it was good.

[01:47:47]And I'm probably never going to step into a church again, other than for weddings and things like this, because there's nothing for me to gain from it. And

[01:48:09]Alex Mack: [01:48:09] Probably less than I make myself to believe. Cause like times I'm like, yeah. I do feel guilty a little bit about, because there is such this inner child that learned

[01:48:20] Alex Mack: [01:48:20] Oh yeah, for sure. But at the same time I was, I learned the other side of things at a young age to a young enough age to make an impact.

[01:48:48] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:48:48] that, sometimes there's

[01:49:00] Alex Mack: [01:49:00] yeah, no, I'm good.

[01:49:16] I am a better person with her in the room, so I want her by my side, but, and she's working it. So she got

[01:49:24] The Alex and Alex podcast.

[01:49:38] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:49:38] and it's fun.

[01:49:42] That's just it's funny. Like we, we laugh all most of the time. We're I'm making her laugh. She makes me laugh constantly by ourselves. Nobody else needs to be around.

[01:49:59] Alex Mack: [01:49:59] We got [01:50:00] weekends together.

[01:50:15]But she's capable. She's capable of having a really good time. Yeah.

[01:50:19] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:50:19] are funding out with you're very easy going down to earth and you'd like to have fun like,

[01:50:34] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:50:34] man, there's no way around that.

[01:50:35] Alex Mack: [01:50:35] horrible. It's adorable. But it's also like this constant, like every time we meet new people, it's always the same. Okay, here we go. We have a rate. We've rehearsed this a story. You know, I I have a list of the

[01:50:54] Like that girl on Nickelodeon.

[01:50:57] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:50:57] sure. I mean she had a boy's name. [01:51:00] If anything to me, like I said, I thought Alex Mack was the coolest motherfucker around until I met Hannes Mac. Cool motherfucker. Do you remember that time that you guys came and played football with us?

[01:51:26] I've

[01:51:33] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:51:33] wrapping around your hands, duct tape, and then bam. And so my parents had, yeah, exactly. That's all. That was our shit for a while. We were all

[01:51:46] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:51:46] creed type.

[01:51:47] Alex Mack: [01:51:47] yeah. Wouldn't it. Paul creed. He is the man.

[01:52:04] Alex Mack: [01:52:04] unleash, hell unload the American Apollo creed on his ass.

[01:52:19] Alex Mack: [01:52:19] remember that actually, I remember that they were

[01:52:36] Alex Mack: [01:52:36] here comes a guy, your

[01:52:46] And actually now we were probably exactly the same size of this time. I was a much softer one 80. As a whatever, sixth grader that I rock you dude, it was bad. It was embarrassing. Oh man. And like we didn't, we weren't going too crazy, [01:53:00] but yeah.

[01:53:04] Yeah. I just remember

[01:53:11] Alex Mack: [01:53:11] Yeah. But I'd like to give you, I'd like to see that rodeo nowadays would yeah. Not

[01:53:21] Alex Mack: [01:53:21] you're not that soft boy.

[01:53:22] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:53:22] more though. I don't worry about it anymore.

[01:53:28] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:53:28] back and punch my brother in the

[01:53:38] He's a

[01:53:40] Alex Mack: [01:53:40] neighbors. That's a bond. That's crazy how it happens. Very close. He I can call him anytime of the day. Always picks his phone up. You have no reception here, so I don't blame you. Okay. I tried calling you and then I realized you gotta text Jay or Jeff.

[01:53:55] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:53:55] Jeff. I don't have an iPhone. You better have an iPhone. Cause I don't get them if they're green. [01:54:00] That's right.

[01:54:08] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:54:08] I'm not body emits a wifi blocking signal.

[01:54:11] Alex Mack: [01:54:11] It's always happened. I think there's something where there's an anomaly here because there is no service. Nothing. Yeah, no one has, I didn't get service. I went outside and all of a sudden I got a message from like 20 minutes ago. Yeah.

[01:54:25] Yeah. Yeah.

[01:54:29] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:54:29] Before we get to, we're pretty deep already, so I want to get to this before we run out of steam. But I want to just say thank you for starting me on my multimedia journey.

[01:54:44] I don't really know

[01:55:04] Alex Mack: [01:55:04] You ever sneak over to his place? Did I ever see him naked out there?

[01:55:13] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:55:13] styler. We were running down the trail. We found these trails out behind. It seemed like the woods at the time. Amazing trails.

[01:55:23] Yeah. Great trails.

[01:55:37] Alex Mack: [01:55:37] Yeah. He would always have his shepherd, but he would, he had a series of rifles and there was times and they didn't yell at us, he did.

[01:55:53] Alex Mack: [01:55:53] It created a lot. I've got to yell at the neighborhood kids all the time when they come on my property, like walk on your lawn. Yeah. No, I don't like it. And I'm [01:56:00] naked too half the time.

[01:56:16] The naked walk, but like where I live, like I walk outside naked all the time. I

[01:56:23] Alex Mack: [01:56:23] Yeah. There would be, you would make it in the that police plotter on Chuck observer. Yeah. Chuck boy walking around naked, got kids with him. But

[01:56:33] He felt comfortable doing that. Oh yeah. He lived where he lived was perfect. So the Mac compound on the other side of that area was like a mysterious land to me. And then like when I first started seeing you guys getting off the bus actually it was catching the bus. Remember if we could see each other from our bus stops.

[01:57:00] [01:56:59] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:56:59] kick-ass yeah. That you're self-conscious about how long the driveway was.

[01:57:15] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:57:15] Yeah. And especially because it was unfinished when you were really young, still is, Oh, wow. Just a work in

[01:57:27]The exterior for the most part is finished, but there's still rooms in there with mud on the sheet, or just sheet rock without mud, and it's, as a contractor, that's like the name of the game. Of course we're working on other people's shit all day. You we'll go home.

[01:57:54]He's got that big shop. He's working on that shop all the time. And I think his house, for [01:58:00] him, it's just a place to sleep and he, so it's a beautiful place. Yeah. It's a beautiful place, and he built that place when he was like, in his twenties, maybe upper, maybe in this third, but like, how did you

[01:58:12]Alex Mack: [01:58:12] Ozzy Steiner. Oh really? Yeah. Ozzy was like, he he was an apprentice as a cabinet builder in Germany, my dad, so he understood like cabinetry and building, so he was familiar with wood and putting it together, but like building, he started with Ozzy, he was doing construction, and my dad and uncle were working with him.

[01:58:53]Jeff Nesbitt: [01:58:53] Um, Tell a Mac home when you

[01:59:15] So it's all about drainage. Drainage is like the number one, and people don't understand drainage. They, for some reason, people just don't understand drainage. It's yeah, you think gravity would let it do all the work, but it's not, that's not how the way water will go against gravity. It w it will wick.

[01:59:35] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:59:35] magic, man. Water surface, tension, and capillary

[01:59:47] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:59:47] range itself.

[01:59:52] Alex Mack: [01:59:52] It will become a current, I don't think it will become a currency, but it's definitely going to become something where w right now we take it for granted, [02:00:00] I have a

[02:00:03] So I don't think it's going to be a, to do a Waterworld. Oh yeah. I'm banking on it.

[02:00:10] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:00:10] Costner is not a good actor, but I still like his movies. I love our world. He's a lovable man. Oh yeah, no doubt. But the way he delivers lines to me seems very fake. Totally.

[02:00:25] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:00:25] it would raise sea level, a hundred feet or something.

[02:00:29] Alex Mack: [02:00:29] I'm going to go with this.

[02:00:36] Alex Mack: [02:00:36] Yeah. Which, you think about the great flood.

[02:00:58] And they've been doing [02:01:00] things to homes like vented siding. Which I mean has been around for a while, but they've been doing it and they try to convince their homeowners every time they build a house, here's what you should do. It might cost a little bit more and people, Oh, the Macs are expensive. Oh, we'll see.

[02:01:46] So when it gets too hot, I just opened up the garage door. Do you have a

[02:01:50] Alex Mack: [02:01:50] you building I have a it's like a prefabbed one that I got I took one apart and I'm going to read it, build it.

[02:02:00] Yeah. They're great, man. I really does. Again, it only goes, it only gets about one 35

[02:02:15] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:02:15] that's true. It's true. That's what the research says. The it's and also that's well, okay.

[02:02:27] Alex Mack: [02:02:27] So the woodstove sauna, that's where it's at. Yeah. And I go every Saturday, the folks at my, the old shop Mack shop compound we have a sauna.

[02:02:54] Come on in. They always leave us an orange. And which I don't know if citrus was probably smells

[02:03:12] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:03:12] They like that little extra protein. ,

[02:03:32] I don't know if you're releasing what you're releasing, he talks about you're releasing cannabis or whatever he's talking about or DMT or whatever they're talking about. I don't really know much about that, but I do know if I do. Like 10 minutes at one 80 and we go harder.

[02:04:03] Oh man. Yeah. That's it like Alex shells goes by like, if her nipples are burning, it's too hot, that's her gauge, Oh, it's too hot. But w my brother and I we've been in the sauna two 20. I grew up with it. I grew up with it. So I have a tolerance, but, Alex has a super good tolerance to better than most, friends that we bring in there.

[02:04:37] women are way more manly than men.

[02:04:41] Stereotypical way we use that expression to be a man, or we're lucky

[02:04:48] Alex Mack: [02:04:48] nothing done to me. It means nothing. Like when people like, Oh, be a man, or whatever. It's that means no, it means nothing to me because I know some women that are tougher than most of the men. I know, I efficient Bristol Bay [02:05:00] and it's super tough. And I see a lot of women deck hands, and they, it's amazing when you're out there, it's freezing cold. It's rainy, it's shitty, that's rough. You could look at my face and be like, man, that guy looks miserable right now.

[02:05:28] He is he can handle elements. I don't know if it's that Swiss blood or what's going on with him. Like he's been up in the Alps or something, but like he can handle extreme like me and when it gets really cold, we were talking about Wim Hoff, but the ice man, I, I can't, I don't even want to say I'm a bitch because that would be like using a sexist term again.

[02:06:04]I've been outside, I'll go outside and take a piss. And all of a sudden my whole body will lock up, just freezes up. I'm like, Ugh. And I have to like girly. Yeah. Oh, it was terrible. And I'm like,

[02:06:16] Alex Mack: [02:06:16] I, to do nothing, I feel like on the wizard of Oz,

[02:06:21] And you're just like springing out there. No big deal.

[02:06:34] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:06:34] over, you went off.

[02:06:38] Alex Mack: [02:06:38] and I can tell it looked

[02:06:45] Alex Mack: [02:06:45] shower part. I think. I think like people should just do these practices more often they'd feel a lot better overall about their whole situation.

[02:07:04] Alex Mack: [02:07:04] gonna have naysayers, you're gonna have naysayers. You're gonna have people say that's a waste of time and whatever, but you know what they're going to, that's their attitude with most things.

[02:07:20] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:07:20] cares? Who can protect us in effect? That's what I meant by what I was just saying.

[02:07:36] Like I'll go, I'll work all week and I might be frustrated and stressed out about something and about just live, and I go in a sauna and it like, just like that everything is irrelevant. It doesn't even matter anymore, but you have to put yourself in that uncomfortable area.

[02:08:00] [02:07:59] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:07:59] stressful thing so that the recovery is

[02:08:21] Do 10 minutes, 15 minutes, take that cold shower, do a neutralizing like where you can get back to your neutral, temp, your body temp, get, you gotta, it's like little intervals, you gotta. You got to tape to know that, get to know the vehicle you got to get to on the vehicle.

[02:08:54]I don't want to run into a swampy Lake and in, in invite all that into the pores. So I always take a [02:09:00] cold clean shower. We have a, like a cold just a garden hose with a sprinkler on it, or shower, head. And and to me, there is nothing better that you can do on a Saturday night.

[02:09:26]I'm like, wow, I just did something. I know it was good for me. I feel great. Is that

[02:09:33] Alex Mack: [02:09:33] stuff? Absolutely. And I never eat beforehand. I always, even though we're going in at six, I don't eat dinner, go fast. I fast, I just drink a bunch of water and I'll make sure I drink, at least 32 ounces.

[02:09:58] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:09:58] I might not drink any. Oh, [02:10:00] that is not a lot.

[02:10:09] But when I know sauna days coming around, I start drinking water. I hydrate and flush. Yeah. And I don't know if like we live in a wet area if we absorb, I don't know if we absorb. Water through it. Wonder that too, cause like when you go to Arizona where it's dry, I'm craving water. I drink a lot more water.

[02:10:27] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:10:27] If it's like a hundred percent humidity, evaporation is going to be a lot slower. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to process it. Yeah. Everything's just humid. Sure. But like when I'm in the woods and I'm soaking wet, like picking chanterelles or something on there all day.

[02:10:57] Or if it's, if I'm somehow [02:11:00] absorbing it through my breath or my, my there's

[02:11:15] We'll go to my, my, my dad's, my parents' house. And he will watch it, during the lunch break. And I CA you know what, I can pick up on most of the stuff that they're talking about, but one German scientist who studies water, he says, yeah, you people say eight glasses or some glasses of water a day.

[02:11:52] And I don't really know that I don't know the answer there because I'm sure I would feel a lot better if I drank more water. I'm sure I would. There's so many [02:12:00] times I feel swollen and I feel inflamed. Like I have inflammation in my hands a lot, and I'm like, I bet if I drink more water today, That probably wouldn't be as bad, but then again, it could just as well be sometimes

[02:12:15] Alex Mack: [02:12:15] he gets rid of I'm like, wait a minute, this is a waste of time.

[02:12:17] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:12:17] know, dude, I have hassled so many people about not drink enough water, hundreds, probably literally hundreds of people in my life. Look down my nose at them for being dehydrated and thinking and not be out of love because I want people to be hydrated because I know how much it feels great to be hydrated.

[02:12:58] I was rowing. Yeah. [02:13:00] And it's most likely I was flushing out all my vitamins. So you still

[02:13:05] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:13:05] I do have a kayak. That's not really the same thing. It's a nice, it's a nice thing. It's a good workout though. And

[02:13:12] I like to kayak once in a while and or paddleboard. Yeah.

[02:13:18] Alex Mack: [02:13:18] sports, burn some calories and build some muscle. You know what I mean? Like it's a, it's such a well fluid motion, when you're out there. I, and I love kayaking, I don't do enough of it, but like

[02:13:30] I have, yeah. I have kayaked some, but not nearly as much as I'd like to.

[02:13:37] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:13:37] That's probably good. That's half as much as they recommend.

[02:13:46]It trade water puddles. Is it it's not well water.

[02:13:58] Alex Mack: [02:13:58] I think. I think my water is [02:14:00] better than your water and we have terrible water on our street.

[02:14:05] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:14:05] it's patchy. You got to get a Sandy patch.

[02:14:20] Oh yeah. Your clothes will turn orange.

[02:14:27]Alex Mack: [02:14:27] That was the first time I had teriyaki chicken. Oh yeah. Your dad brought us. Eileen's Tara teriyaki. Now I have the recipe it all the time.

[02:14:36] I do. Oh man. Char-Broil it

[02:14:55]A lot of people would just put it on one side and they flip it. That's not how you do it. You gotta sit there and work it. [02:15:00] Get those grill marks all over. And so I've mastered in my opinion, I was in Hawaii two years ago and I studied it, man. I went to every little Hawaiian teriyaki stand.

[02:15:11] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:15:11] macaroni salad too.

[02:15:36] I actually don't know Melissa that well, I don't know her that I'd love to get to know her better though.

[02:15:44] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:15:44] it going. Is it, are you working up to, to jam me again for not coming to your house enough? Yeah,

[02:15:53] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:15:53] Love it. They talk about it to this

[02:15:57] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:15:57] guy.

[02:16:02] Alex Mack: [02:16:02] sounds perfect. Just a little boy. My childhood, like I was just trying to pass it on man.

[02:16:13] Alex Mack: [02:16:13] wanted.

[02:16:15] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:16:15] No, I grew up and yeah, Jake went on to build many go-carts he's still building

[02:16:21] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:16:21] is very crafty, super graft. He's much better at it than me. If I take on a project like that, it takes a lot of time.

[02:16:42]Like you, you got good style. I see it. You had your tunes to it. You cut things out, but there is a flavor to it. This is art, it's an art. And I, I was always like, remember when we we made a music video to that vagina song.

[02:16:57] Which one? Oh, I do remember that

[02:17:12] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:17:12] called. I'll go low. You go high

[02:17:29] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:17:29] Ninja is the highlight for me. I still have it. I hope that you bring it. Yeah, we should watch that. That'd be fucking funny.

[02:17:42] I'm even in like the yearbook for being the editing, like the movie guy, like Mr. Hollywood, the movie guy. And I have no like real, like memory of it, it's I don't know. It all just stopped doing it. It just stopped. And I never did it again and never had any desire to do it again, but they're like I don't know would I ever probably [02:18:00] get back into it?

[02:18:02] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:18:02] Yeah.

[02:18:10] It's a lot of work. It's a lot of sitting there rendering and getting things going and, and it's ah, and I don't know. Maybe I just moved on to another hobby and now my, my main hobby is just. My, my house.

[02:18:27] Alex Mack: [02:18:27] you do.

[02:18:30] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:18:30] I'm trying to figure you're an overachiever. No, you're achieving a lot every day, but yeah. Back to complimenting you. Oh yeah, it was yeah. You had a really positive impact on my development as a kid, like bro, you're my cool older friend.

[02:18:59] Yeah. In [02:19:00] October, baby. Yeah. Libra is your Libra. Libra. They get peeps. Oh wait. I know Amelia's cause she's her birthday is in a couple of weeks and she's a Pisces, but she'd rather be a killer. Well, How old is she turned three.

[02:19:17] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:19:17] three-year-old yeah. God, it just happened fast.

[02:19:28] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:19:28] only three only hold Sawyer. Oh, he's 12.

[02:19:33] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:19:33] and three wow. Heavy load. Yeah. It's less. It's lighter as they get older because the 12 year old and the 10 year old helped

[02:19:41] Are they babysitting? Yeah. So that's dude. That's beautiful. Very helpful. Yeah. They, they look helpful. They look like good workers. That's what you expect. You want to have kids. I do. I w I don't know, like everybody says you want a boy or girl, I guess that's not really the option.

[02:20:01] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:20:01] Congratulations. A little baby Theo. He's

[02:20:28] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:20:28] That's what makes it so meaningful is because it's a lot of work.

[02:20:33] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:20:33] but it's worth it. It's really cool thing to do.

[02:20:38] Alex Mack: [02:20:38] Yeah. Yeah. And you have a three-year-old man, so it's you don't, you're not doing the diaper thing no more right now.

[02:20:50], let's do an outro and everything. Okay. Just in case. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I honestly, I don't know. What's in here. I don't

[02:20:58] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:20:58] dude been senior for three and a half hours. [02:21:00] So there's some shit in there,

[02:21:03] Really. Me neither.

[02:21:07] Alex Mack: [02:21:07] Let's do it. Let's try to do an outro.

[02:21:15] Alex Mack: [02:21:15] do. I was just closing words. I know it's tough times right now, guys, and doesn't, it doesn't have to be, you got the power to do what you want to do. I recommend go down to Jack's country store, visit Todd Carper. He'll put a smile on your face.

[02:21:31] Alex Mack: [02:21:31] to Todd.

[02:21:45] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:21:45] half, but recently.

[02:21:48] You worked there. He's been there a long time in the hardware guys, bald tile

[02:21:53] Alex Mack: [02:21:53] You could bring him anything. He's like the, you know how there's signs that say don't feed the squirrels. They just keep coming back.

[02:22:01] Alex Mack: [02:22:01] he's the guy who like, he's like the food I keep coming back.

[02:22:19] I shouldn't know where everything's located. Cause I'm just so used to being fed . So shout out to Lonnie. I hope you never retire. Like that place is going to go on there. If they're got retires.

[02:22:29] Around a hundred years. A hundred years. 300. 500. Yeah. At least. At

[02:22:34]Hey Jeff, it's been a pleasure.

[02:22:38] Alex Mack: [02:22:38] soon. Anytime. It's not what I expected. I there's some other things I wanted to say, we'll

[02:22:45] If it was a turd, we're going to do some more. We'll do more either way. Either way it would be okay. I think a blessing and not in disguise. I was really like nervous to come here. It's weird. But now it's it's we got, we're going to get,

[02:23:00] [02:22:59] Just do go all kinds of places when you're thinking about this. Yeah. Absolutely

[02:23:11] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:23:11] I realized I wear a medium hat dude. It's the only thing I wear mediums

[02:23:15] That's amazing. Cause you have such a huge head. I know like your head long,

[02:23:22] Alex Mack: [02:23:22] got a tiny head. I fit a medium. No problem.

[02:23:28] Alex Mack: [02:23:28] uncomfortable. Is that right? Yeah. I would expect it when I see your cranium. I go like that motherfucker has got a head.

[02:23:51] Yeah.

[02:23:56] Alex Mack: [02:23:56] He told me like, like you gotta like around ahead, cause it's [02:24:00] just a little ball on top of there.

[02:24:05] Alex Mack: [02:24:05] medium to, I do a medium.

[02:24:07] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:24:07] Yeah. We were like in that way,

[02:24:15] It's impossible. Love the fucking, they love our sweater. Let me see our sweatshirts. Like I can I buy one of those? And it's no, like these are like for special people. There's people like the work for the company and they want in, they want a part of that. And it's like, all right 50 bucks

[02:24:33] Alex Mack: [02:24:33] shit more than they make doing anything else.

[02:24:54] We got to go, man.

[02:24:56] Alex Mack: [02:24:56] Let's get out of here. All right. Classic Alex. No, see, this is what I did do, man. [02:25:00] I just keep talking.

[02:25:10] Love you guys. Bye.