Jovanni joins William Camacaro, a Venezuelan-American activist and scholar, for an in-depth discussion about the U.S. military attack on Venezuela on January 3rd, 2020, which led to the kidnapping of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro. They cover U.S. foreign policy, explores the legacy of the Bolivarian Revolution, and discusses the broader impact on Latin America. Furthermore, William highlights the historical instances of U.S. intervention and the ongoing struggle for sovereignty and justice in the Americas.

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this is Fortress On A Hill, with Henri, Danny, Kaygan, Jo

vonni, Shiloh, Monisha , and Mike

welcome everyone to Fortress On A Hill, a podcast about US foreign policy

and skepticism in American way of war.

I'm Jovanni.

Thank you for joining us today on the morning of January 3rd at approximately

3:00 AM AKA's time, US President Donald Trump ordered an unprovoked military

attack on Venezuela and the kidnapping of its president, Nicola Bluto, the Surprise

assault involved over a hundred aircraft, drones and helicopters, military barracks,

bases, power stations, medical centers, and educational and research institutions

along with civilian homes were bound.

Carefully coordinated attack, killed at least a hundred people

and created a necessary cover for American special operation forces

to enter the presidential residence.

They abducted Maduro and his wife, Celia Flores, born them onto a

plane bound for New York where they were paraded through the streets

like trophies from the Roman era.

Maduro is now set to be tried in the US domestic court on frivolous

charges, a blatant breach for his diplomatic immunity, the

primary accusations against him.

They claim that he was a leader of fictitious narco terrorist

organization named God de Los Soles, which was used to justify the

operation has since been walked back.

He was taken from a country outside of the US jurisdiction and for what

can only be described as a show trial.

This act of geopolitical Shock and awe intended for international and domestic

consumption promotes a Donroe doctrine.

The idea that the Western Hemisphere.

And all of his resources are exclusively for American exploitation.

The entire operation violates international law, established

norms, the Geneva Conventions and the US inter constitutional law.

In a recent interview with the New York Times, Trump stated that

he does not need international law, but only his own moral rally.

Much as close a ally as Rizzo has, as Israel has often used

fabricated narratives to justify lawless military actions.

This and prior administrations have embraced factory pretext, a trend that

has led to what I call the Israeli of American Foreign Policy The following day,

members of Trump's administration like JD Vance, Steve Miller, Keith, he and Marco

Rubio boasted of their accomplishment taking the pay straight from the playbook

of gangsters like Capone and John Gotti.

They seized the opportunity to issue threats to other

countries in tour Columbia.

Cuba, Mexico and NATO member Denmark, putting them on

notice that they will be next.

As the global clima spirals into lawlessness and impute from

genocide to the habitual bombing of nations around the world.

To the kidnapping of a city president, one must ask what will be next in these

times of barbarism, but what will, what really happened on January 3rd?

What led to this moment?

And where do we go from here?

we discuss all this with our guest, William Camacaro William is a

Venezuelan, Amer Venezuelan American activist and national co-coordinator

of Alliance for Global Justice.

He holds master's in fine arts and master's in Latin American

literature from the City University of New York, a co-founder of the

Bowl Bar Circle of New York, Alberto LoRa, and former senior analyst.

For Council on Hemispheric Affairs, he has published an outlets like Monthly

Review and organizes delegations to Latin America and leads advocacy

for social justice, Puerto Rican independence, political prisoners in

progressive movements in the Americas.

William, we're honored to have you here.

Welcome to the show.

Yeah, thank you very much, Jovanni, for having me here,

for inviting me to talk about what's happening in Venezuela.

I really want to mention something that it is very important for people to remind.

This is a dejavu.

I was more than 20 year in New York.

I've been living here more, more than 30.

And I was in New York City when President Chave was kidnapped.

And President Cha was kidnapped I remember that.

That was in 2002 that we were desperate trying to figure out what

to do well, how to help and how to support the Venezuelan people.

And for me it's completely ironic and also speak very loudly about

the fact that the fire never rest.

Because 20 years later I'm here talking to you about President Maduro that

has been kidnapped by United States.

Something that is completely ab violation of the international law.

The, the unova conventions that also is is a threat to

the entire piece in the region.

President Trump represent a threat not only to Venezuela, but also to Mexico.

He have been attacking Mexico.

He have been attacking Columbia, Cuba.

He have been attacking Canada.

He want to add Canada to the Union of United States.

He want also to, he have been also attacking Roland Europe and also he

bombed Nigeria, so he have a record.

Also Iran.

Iran, he bombed Iran, so he have a record and just less than a year

that he have been in office, he have been already bombed seven country.

So it's a huge threat not only for the entire global south or for the peace

and the planet, but also it's a huge threat For the American people because

we can see what's going on right now in United States with the immigrants and

with basically any citizen in United States that can be killed, by eyes and

they can come to the mainstream media.

Just to say that, to justify what happened, that, what happened right now in

Minneapolis is basically speak very loudly about what's going on in this country.

This woman that was killed Minneapolis, was in front of his house.

He was leaving, he was trying to go to, because she was

leaving and when she was killed.

She was a single mother, young, I think 37 years old, women still

very productive by young women and was killed in unjustified ways.

And that the person in charge of the homeland security just justify her killer

speak very loudly to us about what kind of people are running this country.

Indeed.

William.

So you mentioned Chavez.

So I was a soldier.

I was stationed in Fort Benning, Georgia at the Western Hemis Institute

for Security and Cooperation.

We used to be known as the School of the Americas.

I was there when President Chavez was briefly overthrown in 2002.

we had Venezuelans working with us then.

And I remember their reaction.

Was led by military factions in Venezuela right wing

politicians and business elites.

but he was restored within 48 hours, right?

as the mass population mobilized into the streets.

And a faction of the military broke off and pretty much rescued

Chavez from where he was being held and brought him back to power.

an interesting movie on it.

a documentary called this Revolution Will Not Be Televised.

We talked about those days.

Yeah.

Excellent documentary, I recommend people to see it.

I remember the reaction of the soldiers there.

back then, they were split too.

Venezuela has these two, distinct military outfits.

one is the Venezuelan army, the other one is the Venezuela National Guard.

There was split between them but the situation today feels

differently than back then.

Can you walk us through what happened on January 3rd?

Yeah.

Basically there was some be trial.

Probably we don't think that the be trial is coming from the

closer people to President Maduro.

We think that maybe it, some people that knew his agenda that day, president

Maduro was before he inside of his house.

And that's why it was very easy because they were waiting for him.

He was in a meeting with Cheney representative and

when He was getting back home.

he was captured before he able to get inside his home.

More than I will say in the operation, all the security personnel were killed.

I will say also they certain areas of Cara, for example, they a huge deposit

of food and medicine very humanitarian.

They also the Venezuelan Institute of Science.

They a medical center close to one of those area where the food was deposit.

they some damages, but the reality is that the army is almost intact.

that mean that probably some key figures there were implicated.

But also we believe that this is a victory for the Donald Trump

administration, but It's completely IC because the BVA revolution

standing there and De Rodriguez is the interim president of the W Republic.

That mean that the president is here in Brooklyn incarcerated

and is again, the law.

The president of another country have immunity and they cannot

be trial in another country.

That's one thing that everybody should know another thing, is that

they use the supposedly cartel de los soles as a Maduro, the

chief of the cartel de los Soles.

That's something that we know from the beginning that didn't exist.

If you go to the intelligent or the ai and you ask about the cartel

de los, any AI is going to say was only rumors about los soles.

So the only one that really believed that the cartel los sole was Donald

to in Marco Rubio The attorney general of this country, and now.

See, as soon as they captured President Maduro and brought him here.

when they start to go through all the information about the Carole, they have

to admit that the Carole doesn't exist.

And there is a big article in the New York Times, basically a few days

ago saying that and making fun of the Attorney General and Marco Rubio.

So anyway you see all these huge festivities among those people that

are in Wall Street celebrating what happened in Venezuela because of them

are desperate to invest in Venezuela.

Let me tell you, Venezuela had the biggest oil reserve of the planet,

had the huge amounts of minerals, rare minerals that are extremely

important for high technology.

and have a big amount of gas.

I think that is the feed, reserve of gas on the planet.

So it's a lot of resources.

Even then I was listening just few days ago, one of those military

talking about Venezuela and what they did, and they say it's so ridiculous.

Venezuela is a tiny country.

It has so many natural resources that it's ridiculous that tiny

country had the amount of resources.

So they recognize, and then we know that because then to Donald Trump,

that they didn't attack Venezuela for almost 25 years, since the

Arian revolution came to power.

So they have been attacking Venezuela.

Not because narco traffic, not because human revelation, not because

Ebola, not because terrorist group operating from Venezuela because no,

not nothing is, and the charges again, Maduro, you don't see any charge.

Again, Maduro in court that, for example, that Maduro was

helping carry group to come here.

You don't see that charges there.

You don't see, for example, another thing that was sending a big amount

of crazy people to United States.

You don't see that was organized an invasion to United States.

There are no single charges of those things that they have been accusing

Madura for the last two, three years.

So the only thing tend to Donald Trump that we know that they want the oil.

Donald Trump said that we want the oil and we want to administrate Venezuela.

That's what they want.

I was looking for that book, Operation Puerto Rico over Venezuela.

I remember that.

Okay, so that book, it was written and I saw the title online, but

when I clicked it to see if I find it to purchase I couldn't find

anywhere to purchase it though.

Okay.

No, it's not on the internet.

It was written in 69.

And only in one edition.

And basically it's a book based and a document from the

State Department at that time.

and what they wanted to do with Venezuela is, some kind of associated state where

United States were able to administrate all the natural resources of Venezuela.

what Donald Trump is now proposing is that all idea of the empire to take

over Venezuela and to administrate Venezuela as they did with Puerto Rico.

Yeah.

William, I wanna go back to the to the assault on January 3rd.

So before that months before that, Donald Trump, assembled a large arm

Marta around it just been escalated ever since put X amount of battleships

the largest aircraft carrier right outside the coast of Venezuela.

They were routinely bombing fishermen

They're killing innocent people.

and the Pacific, you know who They were, they never, they just

say they were nacro traffickers.

But they never really proved anything.

They never offered any proof to nothing like that.

It was, and the people that were killing, they were killing not only Venezuelan, but

they were killing Trinidadians Columbia.

They also killed somebody off the coast of Mexico, if I'm not

mistaken, a speedboat as well.

it was just escalating after that.

Then they moved into piracy into pretty much just the straight up

taking Venezuelan ships with oil ships.

And they just pirated and just confiscated 'em in high sea.

And, but we also saw during that time that Venezuelan was mobilizing his militia

about I believe what three or 4 million people signed up to to defend the country.

Training.

we saw the Russian weaponry and everything.

Venezuelan fighter pilots, flying near American ships.

There were rumors of, hypersonic missiles there was all kinds of stuff going on.

All kinds of military posturing from Venezuela as well.

But when the 3rd of January happened, there was no reaction from the military

against these attacks, do you have any insights of why the Venezuela

forces didn't respond to the attacks?

What I understand is that the entire civilian seating

of the Venezuelan space from the Venezuelan site was shut down.

That's why the helicopter were able to fly very low.

And do what they did.

But the other thing I understand is that they were desperate to go

out very quickly from Venezuela.

They were trying to make a lot of damages, but they were trying desperately to go

out of the Venezuelan Spain, because when Trump asked to Marco Rubio, why you didn't

take Verio, he said, extremely risk.

We were putting our forces in extremely risk there, and we needed

to get them out as soon as possible.

they knew that at some point the entire system could get

back and they will be exposed.

And this is a, now they have all weapons and electronic equipment that

can basically hijack the entire system and shut down the system for hours,

days, or minutes, or enough time for them to do whatever they want.

So we know that also a very special satellite of United

States was over Venezuela.

I think that it's called the Eyes of God or something like that, that

was over Venezuela at that moment.

And it's a kind of satellite that intering communication.

And also it is for the electronic warfare.

But this is the thing, as I mentioned, this is a period victory.

Because Donald Trump have a hot potato right now on his, another

one of many that he have already.

And basically he is yelling openly to the world, oh, we will be administrating

the entire resources of the Venezuelan.

If that's not the case, and the months start to call, and the Arian revolutions

maintain his position and is there that, I think that's what's going to happen.

He is going to start to get a lot of criticism.

In fact, the investor was celebrating in the beginning and desperate to go

to Venezuela, but now all, most of them are very quiet and not talking

too much because they know that entire state infrastructure is there.

They have not been able to change anything.

They kidnap the president, but the entire infrastructure is there.

So I think that the next coming months are going to be very intense

between Venezuela and United States.

I think that not only that this is an issue that it's raising a lot of question

for all Latino American countries, and I think that everybody had to assume a

very critical position against United States intervention because what Trump

has been saying that he want to basically control the entire heifer, right?

For the interest of the USA corporation.

I have to mention this because some American people, they

believe that's good for them.

No.

People don't get any benefits when corporate get benefits.

I want to know how many people in this country have been benefit because the

free trade agreement, no one, because they took all the car industry from

Detroit, and now Detroit is a growth city.

All those big corporation went to Mexico, went to China, went

to other parts of the world to basically pay nothing to the workers.

And then the workers in Detroit, they don't have those job.

They probably are living on social security or pensions or whatever,

but they don't have very good salary.

They don't pay taxes.

Also, they make the economy weak because when you don't have a good

job, you don't pay enough taxes.

So it's something very dangerous.

What's happening.

And also, obviously this is a consequence of the fact that United

States is not anymore a superpower.

And they want to maintain the global antimony and

compete with China and Russia.

But the reality is that at this point, the biggest economy on the planet is.

China and there are so many other economy like Russia, India, South Africa, that are

emerging and competing in international arena with United States in a country

where these people in power have not been investing any money in the economy.

They have been investing only in war since the Soviet Union collapses.

after the Soviet Union collapse United States started is decadent because

they have been putting more money in war than in own people in own country.

You can see this country is big.

This is a huge country.

We don't have one single bullet train.

China a huge amount, but United States.

have one.

And the entire infrastructure of the country is completed accelerated.

They have not been putting money here.

Right.

They've been focusing on, like you said, on war and on tax cuts to the wealthy.

Yeah, exactly.

So also going back to January, you mentioned earlier about, in internal

betrayal, right after the attack, there were rumors spread, that UR was

sold out, that he was handed over.

That was the first narrative that was given.

it was a bloodless operation.

Rule would just hand it over, the American forces just walked in, just took them.

We know that's not true, over a hundred Venezuelans are not living today.

32

and 32

Cubans.

Yeah.

And 32 Cubans.

Within those and, so the intrigue was a Palace Co. Then it moved

to a and we know this is part of the long psychological warfare.

Cognitive warfare that's part of the American military arsenal.

We saw how they destroyed the Black Panthers, the Grenada how they

destabilized Bolivia recently.

But one of the rumors was pointing the finger at the

Vice President Dcy Rodriguez.

Who is Dcy Rodriguez and is there any validity to her involvement and giving

up Maduro, like the narrative was saying?

Yes, I know that there are a lot of rumor about there, zero giving

a be traitor, something like that.

one of the narratives that was going

let me tell you this.

I don't think that the PI's president is working with the

security of the president.

Basically, that's one thing.

The other thing is Del Rodriguez father was in the gorilla

movement in the sixties.

He was incarcerated and killed, tortured in prison.

So she have been a leftist person her entire life.

The same thing that Jorge Rodriguez.

So they're coming from the left and that's why they were there.

So I think that rumor basically is coming from this pathological liar in

the White House because he's insinuating constantly we are collaborating with

Darcy Rodriguez or she will be helping us.

She will make the transition smooth.

So we cannot believe anything that Trump says.

Remember this, especially for the American people.

He said that he will not cut Social Security, And he got 800 millions

from the Social Security for his richest people, pedophile friends.

So if people are not watching all his lies, he's a pathological liar.

And he is trying to impose a narrative saying indirectly that the vice

President of Venezuela Betrayal Maduro.

So it's some kind of rumor coming from the State Department, basically.

I mean we saw this tons of time, to try to destroy movements

and organization from within.

We saw that with, Operation Peter Pan and Cuba back in the,

yeah.

I think that this is the moment to maintain the Revolutionary Forces United

and to make a strong United France again, the USA intervention in Venezuela.

should be our main focus request Maduro Liberation and the first lady

of Venezuela to be free and defend Del Lee at this critical moment.

I agree.

Exactly.

Indeed.

Let's go back to how this whole thing started.

This thing just didn't start overnight, and the target is not Maduro.

The target is Chavismo as a whole, right?

Yeah.

Like you said earlier, Chavismo has been in power.

And Chavismo is a popular mobilization of people.

They've been in power since 1999, I believe.

1998, yes.

Yeah.

And then they've been attacked ever since, can you explain what

Chavismo is to the audience and why?

So much hostility towards it and this transformational ideology,

movement of Venezuelan society.

Okay.

First of all I came back, I came to United States after the Caracas in Venezuela.

What is the

Qaim in Venezuela was basically a huge social explosion in Venezuela during

the last government of Alejandre Perez.

The Alejandre Perez was a right wing president in Venezuela that

was very close to George Butch

senior.

And he basically imposed international monetary fund packet to the

entire country A lot of people the economy start to collapse and the situation,

the economy start to get very bad.

The inflation was very high and the society was in a very

bad shape at that moment.

So after that packet people were without able to pay anything because they had

salary, was not enough or anything.

So what happened is that people went out to the street to protest

huge amounts all over the country.

And then they start to kill people that were in the protest.

They take the soldier to kill people that were protesting against the government.

And only in Caracas we can say more than 3000 people were killed.

to basically impose the packet coming from the international monetary

funds to the Venezuelan people.

So Venezuela, as everybody now knows, is a rich oil country and

one of the measure that they were taking is to increase very high.

The gasoline.

And people were unable even to take the bus to go from one place to another one.

So that's the consequence of the That's what happened during the

I had several family members that were killed not because they were

protesting, they were in their house.

so many people die inside in his houses because they basically were

shooting to the houses, and of course, poor people to poor people.

they wanted to make a statement just to let them know, if you

are out, you will be killed.

So they were getting to those poor neighborhoods, shooting

to the house of those people.

So I have.

Three member and my family were killed, and then I decide to come here.

And that was Venezuela.

And Venezuela was very common to suspend the constitutional grantee.

So that's something that never have happened since Chavis on it in

power is from the 1998, seventies, 27 years, 20 something like that.

And empower.

despite everything that has been happening to the United States intend

to the support of the right wing in Venezuela, Venezuelan government during

Chavez and during Maduro never has to spend the constitutional grantee.

That's something very important to mention.

So at that moment, in those years,

Just to add that the, when the coup happened in 2002, one of the first

acts that the coup government did was to suspend the constitutional guarantee.

exactly that's the only time that the constitutional

guarantee had been suspended.

When Pedro Carmona took office, you remember Pedro Carmona is

now known as a Pedro debrief.

Pedro ve because he was only few hours in power.

And people call him Pedro El Pedro Peter.

Because he was nothing in power and he suspended constitutional that was

the only time the constitutional had been suspended when the right wing

took office and they killed a bunch of people that small period of time.

but also I have to say, for example a big of people didn't have identification.

So they were unable to vote, and not too many people were able to go to the

university despite that the university was free, not too many people were able

to get in to the university because they some standard that make poor

people impossible to go through the system and be able to get in inside

one of the university to the country.

the economy the country was always completely divided.

The city was completely divided.

I can give you an example.

We have the Teresa Carino.

the most important theater in Venezuela.

I remember when I was living in Venezuela.

And I student in the university.

I was able to see that in the theater that is almost very close downtown Caracas, is

that you were able to see only very middle class, upper class people that, because

at that moment still is one of the most sophisticated theater in South America.

A very modern and the only way to access to that theater was

coming from the richest places.

It still is like that.

When you were coming from the richest places of the city, you

were coming from the poor areas.

You have to go around, go to the other side to be able to

get inside of the theater.

so there was a. Real division of the Society, when Chavez came to power

for the first time people from the poor neighborhood were able to go

to the they have access to places that never have before, and then

President Cha paid a social debt to the entire Venezuelan population.

That was a huge amount of resources that the state spent to pay all the

salaries that state didn't pay for decades to pay the retirement to a

bunch of people that they didn't get any money from their retirement to

pay all the social debt that they had with Venezuelan people at that moment.

That was something very important that Chave did in the population also.

And he initiate a big amount of social program to educate people and to

open their university for everybody that wanted to go to university, to

anyone that wanted to do any course or anything in the university.

So the university opened the doors to the entire population.

So it was a huge change.

Also, the investment, for example, something that Chavez did was

to, create the feeding houses.

So people were stressed and some places people didn't eat enough, so he opened

up feeding houses and more than almost 1 million people were eating free those

feeding houses daily the entire country.

That's a huge amount of people eating free.

years ago I took a monthly review group we ate everybody was surprised to see

the food and to see how everything work.

So those houses still are operating, but not at level

that we're operating, was alive.

So there so many changes, so many program.

Then remember doctor the Cuban doctor arrived and they create a program called

Barrio They basically offer free medical attention to people in the neighborhood.

So all those programs were created during administration.

And the attention.

to those that were in real need was something very important.

It has been something very important during administration and during

this administration with President Maduro, despite all the attack that

more than 1000 economy sanctions against the Venezuelan people.

Indeed.

And those sanctions, by the way just to add to what you were saying du

Chavez government the right wing didn't recognize his government either.

And the Americans also had tensions with the Americans.

But Chavez reduced poverty by, I believe like 50% and extreme poverty by 75%.

And eradicated illiteracy as well.

Yes.

And.

Venezuela was in a verge of eradicating extreme po poverty until, 2014, when

Obama declared Venezuela an unusual threat to, American society security.

Then Saudis started flooding the oil market with oil.

And the United States started slapping sanctions on, on Venezuela

after that, that's when pretty much the economy started contracting,

particularly when Trump came into power with these maximum co course of.

Measures that pretty much blocked any type of economic activity in

the global market for Venezuela.

And then on top of that, they blamed the Venezuelan government for the contraction,

saying that it was mismanagement, there was corruption and stuff like that.

And to this day, yeah, they

called the problem and they blamed the other one.

Exactly.

we just talked about an I just want two different things because one

of the things that Trump mentioned is that Venezuela stole our oil.

This is Our oil, so American oil happens to be under Venezuela

soil, which I don't understand but

come on, the American oil was on the ground of the former Mexicans.

Correct.

Exactly.

You gotta point.

And there's a lot of parallels to that as well.

You

know,

Texas has a lot of oil.

Who took that oil?

Mexico.

Exactly.

explain the nationalization of oil, because it wasn't Chavez

who nationalized the oil industry.

lemme tell you this, the nationalization of the

oil industry was a joke.

Why was a joke?

Because Venezuela and the 70, when Qaim and the first government

of Alejandre Perez was in a very good shape, economically

talking the dollar was afford.

I think that from one, one believer was $4.

Also the economy was in a very good shape.

Venezuela have a huge amount of money and reserve, and basically they decide

to nationalize industry that for the agreement that Venezuela signed with

the, all the USA corporation, they have to basically leave the country few years

few year after the nationalization.

So what happened in the Venezuela paid for those, for that nationalization

a huge amount of money to the USA corporation when Venezuela had just

to wait for two years and that's it.

But no, the department decide by us under USA pressure.

To buy to nationalize the industry and then provide a huge billions of dollars

to the USA corporation unnecessarily.

And basically that cost the one of the first debt of the state,

of the national government.

So then after that we have, look what is called Negro project.

Not no, not like the here black project that when the currency went down and

the economy start to, to, we know this.

No, the economy completely get in the Met ms.

So that was during Alejandro per, then we have another moment when President

Chavez and basically President Chavez implement several rules, clear rules, and

where Venezuela was basically the one.

And the hat, because there's Venezuelan soil to have the majority of the act of

every investment in the country and around natural resources, people should know

that Simon River, by the Creep, passed a law when the country was founding by

Simon River, basically, that said that everything that is on Venezuelan ground

belonged to the Venezuelan people.

So what the crazy guy in the White Houses saying is against, Simon believer.

Absolutely.

Let's talk about these elections, one of the things that the narratives

against Nikola Maduro, that he's an illegitimate president, that

he stole the election, right?

So Maduro has been in power.

Was first elected in 2013, I believe.

Yes.

He's been through 13 presidential elections and two national referendums.

Benfield Constitution has a thing in, and that a president, goes into

recall elections like half made through me, through their mandate, right?

And so he has two national referendums, those recall

elections, and he's won 'em all.

He's won 'em all and they've all been under Venezuela constitutional framework

and observed by international delegations.

Every single elections that has participated has been observed by

international election monitors who have certified and validated

these elections, including a former.

Spanish president that he was one of these delegations to monitor the yet the

Venezuelan opposition routinely claims fraud in every election, and the US and

Europe refused to recognize the results, given this consistent pattern and the

fact that US elections never get ED by anyone why do you think these actors

reject Venezuelan's electric outcomes?

and can you briefly explain how the elections actually operate?

How are they organized in,

Let me say something.

First of all, United States, we know, I think that everybody should be clear

that United States have been trying to remove or to overthrow the Venezuelan

government from over two years.

They have been working very hard in that directions.

So they also, they had not recognized Maduro as a president and the skew that

they provide at Maduro Rob election, because supposedly Maria Corina macha,

they won the election, let's say that yes, the Maria Corina Macha won the election by

70% of the vote as a president Trump said, and Marco Rubio said at the moment, the

reality is that now when the journalist asking if he is going to appointed Maria

Corina Macchas a president, he said no, she cannot control the country.

She not very popular, but she won, according to you, the election

with more than 70% of the vote.

And she cannot control the country.

She cannot run the country.

That's one thing.

So obviously everything has been fake.

You can see everybody out there that are watching this video.

You can see in the Venezuelan TV on any Venezuelan sources, hundreds of thousands

of people in the street, how it's possible that a very unpopular and dictatorship and

autocratic government have a big amount, thousands of people, and the street

protesting and requesting the United States to send him back to Venezuela.

That's not possible.

It is so unpopular why so many people are on the street.

So that's one thing that everybody should know.

I think that everything is propaganda at the car.

there was a sign yesterday, the big protest in Caracas that said

the los is like the loss of your boyfriend doesn't exist anymore.

So that is, this never has existed.

It's a fantasy that was created to justify what's happening now.

It's a fantasy that Maduro brought the election.

It's a fantasy that Maria Corina Macala is popular in Minnesota.

Why not popular?

Because Corina Mocha support Trump.

when he got more than 252 people and putting in the sec cop in El Salvador,

she was applauding Donald Trump and she was saying, yes, they are criminal.

That what she said.

So she also was Okay.

And she, you're talking about

the Venezuelan migrants that were being rounded.

Ven Yeah.

But the Venezuelan

migrants in United States were San took the El Salvador basically.

She celebrated that, and she said she was supporting Trump about it.

When Trump removed the protection for the immigrant?

TPS, the temporary protections exactly.

she said that Trump was right because they were much of

criminal and Venezuelan criminal here.

So she have been supporting all the narrative that Donald Trump have been

using, again, the Venezuelan immigrants.

United States and course she has, she's completely unpopular in Venezuela.

No one like her.

She also participated in the 2002 coup.

Yeah, she participated in the 2000 coup.

She also have been calling for USA intervention in Venezuela, and she

also have been sending letters to Netanyahu requesting Netanyahu to help

her and to invade military Venezuela.

There are letters from Maria Corina Macha requesting Netanyahu to send militaries

to Venezuela to tro Nikola Maduro.

So it's completely unpopular now, and especially right now because this

kidnapping of the president has unified the revolutionary forces behind the Arian

Revolution behind Delcy Rodriguez in support of Nicola Maduro and also have

been also unifying the entire region again, the doc Mon re doctrine and again,

the USA intervention in the continent.

This is something that is going to generate a lot of problem for

United States in the near future.

And if that's why I'm telling you that it's a very peric victory, they will not

be able to the consequence of what this administration did in Venezuela, they will

see it in the medial and long term because people are feeling, just few days ago

Petro bought a huge amounts of weapons to

South Korea.

People Say that again.

What was that?

Yeah.

Gustavo Petro from Columbia a few days ago decide to buy a bunch

of weapons From South Korea.

And people are trying to establish the relation with North Korea,

with other countries that really have issues and have weapons

So he bought weapons From South Korea.

But I know I also say, he also said that they will start relation with North Korea.

Okay.

So never before United States have been isolated as of now.

People tend to disa administration.

What's interesting is that we saw, a right wing

backlash in Latin America.

We saw Bolivia Ecuador Chile, Argentina.

Peru and all of them are pretty much Dominican Republic, where I'm from.

And all of them, are a hundred percent backing.

Donald Trump.

I know you've seen that image of what it shows the right wing governments

Versus the resistant governments.

It has this image of Hitler.

I dunno if you've seen that image before, right?

and they're supporting they're gung ho about the kidnapping of President Maduro.

But what's interesting is that American real allies, the the, states as well.

I'm talking about the European vasal states in the United States,

the people that the United States can count on, Their government

has been opposed to what happened.

most of the governments, rejected the huge breach of international law,

of abducting a sitting president.

I see the contradiction here.

Yeah.

Just wanna make that point out

yeah, no, this is crazy.

What's going on is something that unrealistic.

I remember when people were talking to me about Donald Trump as a

businessman, I always was telling them, Hey, I have been living in New York.

30 years.

I know Donald Trump, for all his scandals that are all the time in the

local newspapers in New York City.

His scandal was rape scandal for financial scandals.

Okay.

His taxes always is some issues.

And so all kind of scandals and everything is sexual and financial.

So businessmen go out of business all the time and they bankrupt.

Yeah.

And everything is coercion,

right?

mailing.

And that's the way that he's running the country because just five senator vote

just yesterday against him to control his possibility to have war, open war.

So he.

Immediately went yelling like crazy and basically tell everybody that no

one should vote for those senator, that they're shameful and blah, blah, blah.

So blackmailing them.

They have all those coward from the Republican party are completely scared

because they don't want to confront Donald Trump because they know that

Donald Trump will go attacking them and we not get and will fight against them,

but because they will not be able to get finance more money for the next election.

I think that we have unfortunately a bunch of cos in the Congress despite

that they know that the president evaluating the Constitution and yet

doing all kind of illegal stuff.

They are not fighting back and not using their power that

they have in the Congress.

So they are not using that power to basically impose the rule of the law.

William we're coming off short on time here.

I was wondering if I can have you for about another five more minutes

Uhhuh?

Yeah,

So one of the things also that caused a lot of confusion about

among Americans here that I'm not too familiar with the story in Venezuela

immediately when the January 3rd.

kidnapping happened, attacked of Venezuela.

They saw images on social media and the news media mainstream of Venezuela

celebrating, mainly they were like in Miami and Madrid or some other

places, on the street, celebrating, saying, there was one woman I remember

saying that, and she's like in tears and crying, saying that, finally

we've been free for this nightmare.

It's been 27 years of this nightmare.

We're free.

and there were, reposting this in social media of all this celebration

of these Venezuelans in the diaspora.

And I just wanted to real quick tell us what is this, who are these people

one, and what is this symbiotic relationship that they have with

the Cubans of South Miami, and why?

And these.

Politicians like Rubio and Maria, why are they so obsessed with Cuba, with

Venezuela, and Spanish language media like Viss journalist Jorge Ramos.

What's this relationship between these three, things, that they're so obsessed in

crafting this narrative against Venezuela.

Okay.

And the south Miami Cubans and these American Cuban politicians

like Rubio and Maria Salazar and their obsession with Venezuela.

Well, Maria.

Maria, what's her name?

Maria Vi Al.

Mexican is a

Cuban American right wing journalist.

She, I think that she have a show in Univision for a

long time and long time ago.

She is basically in direct connection with all those Cubans in Miami with

the Mafia in Miami and she basically doesn't have anything to say.

She is basically everything that she said is completely outside down and

connected with the mafia in Miami.

I believe that what happened in Miami is unfortunate because there a writer Miami.

His name was Luis Ortega.

And Luis Ortega was a Cuban grinder.

That used to publish on a Spanish newspaper in New York City.

And he used to say, how is possible that I have to my articles in New York and I

cannot publish my articles in Miami on Florida because those Cuban, they are

not allow me to publish my article here.

I have to because I have a different view of what's going on in Cuba

so that the kind of mentality they are sectarian, irresponsible,

and they are completely crazy.

So this guy was a very, he was a very good and before he died, the Cuba

government gave him the premier De La America the Latin America Prize.

He won just maybe two, three years before he died.

The Venezuelan people are the, when the Venezuelan revolution took

office, we realize, I think the people in Venezuelan realize that

we have racism and we have classes.

So also, of those people that are celebrating, most of those people

are coming from middle class communities and maybe some upper

class, most of them are white.

Or seem to be white or and basically that the kind of people

that start to attack President Chavez that he was like a monkey.

I remember

the monkey in, in, in the government said what they were saying all

the time in the case of Nikola Maduro.

It's the driver because Nicola Maduro was a boss driver and then

was a union leader in Venezuela.

And then when they talked about Maduro, they called it the driver.

A boss driver is running the country.

So basically there are two very strong element racism and classism.

Again, the Bali Revolution.

Those people that are in the streets celebrating, they cannot

tolerate to see someone coming from the poor neighborhoods, someone

of color running the country.

That's the main issue here.

So that's why these people are celebrating because they will

prefer to have someone coming from United States to run the country.

Someone white, not you, not me, someone white.

Running the country.

And because their racism will make them feel happy.

And that's why those people are celebrating in the street.

don't see all those people that were killed, all those people, that the

houses were destroyed by the USA bombing.

They don't see that.

The fact that the United States now is claiming that the oil,

Venezuelan oil is their is oil now?

No.

Is that the land, all that land, what the hell?

So Trump is talking about that, that oil belong to, to, to

United States and also the land.

That what he said.

So what that mean is that we are in front of the, what they want to reestablish.

Colonialism.

And then so this, because Trump have the mentality of the 18th century

and that the mentality that he wants to impose to the entire planet 18th

century mentality with colonialism and with imperial domination similar to

that one that UK have an entire planet.

So that's what he's impose trying to impose right now.

And we need really to fight back.

We cannot tolerate that.

We are nation that are sovereignty and what make this planet rich and

this country rich is our diversity.

It's our different culture, our different languages, and our different

food, our different stuff, music.

So that's what make the planet rich.

Absolutely, indeed.

Finally you mentioned earlier about the Chinese delegate that was meeting with

the they hours before he was abducted.

Just, and also just day before the attacks on Venezuela, Israeli Prime

Minister, the ICC indicted war criminal, I have to mention here Benjamin

Netanyahu was hosted at the White House.

he spent his Christmas holidays here at the White House and almost on

queue with the attacks on Venezuela.

It was a color revolution style protest erupted in Iran.

A key ally of Venezuela also.

Yes.

And also I wanna point out the coincidence that Qaim soleimani, the Iranian general

was also murdered on January 3rd in 2020 by the first Trump administration.

And Maria Colita Machado weeks before the attack Venezuela, was talking about

Venezuelan government collaborating with Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Do you see

any connection between Israeli Zionism with American imperialism in Venezuela

and in a larger geopolitical context?

The murder of the Israel state netan the genocide guy,

basically, he said that he want to invest, he wants businessmen from

Israel to invest in Venezuela.

He said that maybe a month ago, or definitely the behind all

everything that's going on, the Zionism involved, he came here.

And the next day after he came the State Department passed some

sanctions against Venezuela and I ran.

The second day he was in a TV patrol and an interview and Nathan,

who was an TV show, and he said that Venezuela, the United States,

Donald Trump had to do something very aggressively against Venezuela

because the Venezuela is have a bunch.

It's collaborating with Ola.

Haas and all those Illa people, terrorist people are coming to United States.

Infiltrating United States.

That why he said the second day, and then he left.

And then we have the kidnapped of the Venezuelan president.

So I'm very sure that they were in the meeting coordinating

everything that happened.

And yes, Netanyahu also Malay as a ionist and the Argentian president as a ionist.

And he already sold a big part of Argentina to some ionist people so

that they will be a adminis trading.

So millet, netanel have decide to really be, to have presence in South

America, and he is working in that direction with, together with millet

and several other government in the region that are open the doors to

this, to Zionism and the continent.

I think we need to fight back against Zionism and what they did in Gassa was

an experiment that for them was perfect, have been the result for them, have

been good and they want to implement what they did in Gassa now and this

continent and we need to fight back that.

And one of the things that did in Gaza is to act out with

impunity within an Yeah, definitely.

That's why

the whole international community sit back and watch.

Thats why Donald Trump and not paying attention to any.

Multilateral organization.

He's dropping from 64 organization right now, United States,

dropping his participation in 64 organization at the un.

So the UN is probably disappearing soon.

And I think that is important that it, they move the UN to another country

that commit with the international community and to respect the

sovereignty of the country and to respect the people of the global south.

So I think that it's time to move the UN from New York City.

Yeah, I just wanna Absolutely.

For those who don't know, that's the UN is at in New York City and

pretty much the un it's a subject to, actually it's instrument

It's a nomination instrument

of American led Western imperialism.

They use it when it suits their purpose and then ignore it.

When it doesn't, when it becomes inconvenient.

Oh, I think that we need to do the following in the, at the un father

Miguel Desto, that was a priest and was also the president of the General Assembly

of the un, and he was also member of the government of Daniel Ortega Nicaragua.

Father me was the minister, the foreign minister, Nicaragua, during the war time.

So para Miguel Deto, when he was at the un, he said several times that the UN

has to be reformed and all the critical decision had to be decide on the general

assembly and not in the security council.

the general assembly should decide the global issues that

affect the entire planet.

No, a group of five countries superpowers that they have been basically leaving

of the exploitation of the global south.

Indeed, over one area, under one year.

Over a hundred years ago Polish German revolutionary, Rosa Loberg said socialism

of barbarism and as a global community are we delving into barbarism, William?

Definitely we are.

We are getting there.

We're extremely close to see.

and that's what Trump want to impose when he is increasing

the budget of the Pentagon to I think that trillion and a half.

Basically he is talking about force, domination, exploitation, and war.

So we need to take in consideration that we are moving probably to a

third war very soon, and we need to be prepared and we need to fight back.

We should not tolerate that we are going to be involved in the third World War

when we know that could basically create the extinction of the entire planet and

everything is because only one reason.

I don't think that Venezuela, was an issue.

I don't think that.

The only issue that Trump is confronting right now using everything else

and war and money and Pentagon and everything, is that he doesn't want

the Jeffrey 18 file to be released and everything else is a distraction

that can destroy the entire planet.

Indeed.

That's a good place for us to wrap up William, thank you very

much for coming onto the show Any final comments before we go?

Hello to the za.

Yeah.

And now we have to be alert and fight back and send me those pictures, brother.

I'll send you those pictures.

Listeners.

Are there any last thing for how people can get involved?

Anything they should consider Oh, yes.

We have a Venezuelan network website, Venezuelan network

you can get into in the internet.

We post a lot of stuff there, so I recommend people to check

Venezuelan Venezuela analysis.

Also, people can check we also working with International Action Center,

check the International Action Center.

We also are collaborating very close to the monthly review.

So check the website of monthly review.

They, we are posting and stuff there.

And also you read Spanish because a lot of people there speak Spanish.

So you can read basically the arts websites in Venezuela, Suda, Caras.

It's a very good website in Spanish that you could get very inside information

of what's going on in Venezuela.

Also another website in Spanish that you should share.

Venezuela News is very important Venezuela news, Venezuela RAJITA News,

and you will get a very good news and insight of what's going on there.

Oh, and the last one, sorry, tic,

it's a newspaper.

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