EPISODE OVERVIEW

Duration: Approximately 38 minutes

Best For: Business owners who have run themselves into the ground trying to serve everyone else first

Key Outcome: A practical framework for building a sustainable morning routine that protects your energy, plus permission to stop overcomplicating your marketing and just start

THE BOTTOM LINE

If you have been telling yourself for years that you will get healthy, spend time with family, and take that holiday once things calm down, this episode is your wake-up call. Angiras Auro learned the hard way that pushing through stress and ignoring your body leads to complete collapse. After 18 months of redundancy stress that left her with weeks-long migraines and barely able to function, she discovered that the business could only restart once she prioritized herself first. Her journey from burnout to building a thriving kinesiology practice and training program proves that self-care is not selfish. It is the foundation everything else depends on. She rebuilt from nothing by getting her energy right first, and clients started appearing without her even advertising.

WHY THIS EPISODE MATTERS TO YOU

You will learn why putting yourself last is actually destroying your ability to serve clients, family, and your team effectively

You will discover a practical morning routine combining meditation, breathwork, and journaling that transforms your daily energy and focus

You will get permission to stop overcomplicating your marketing strategy and just start with two or three simple posts per week

You will understand the true cost of ignoring stress signals, including how burnout can wipe out your client base and leave you rebuilding from scratch

KEY INSIGHTS YOU CAN IMPLEMENT TODAY

The Self-Care Foundation: Angiras learned that she could not take care of others until she took care of herself first. When she was annihilated by burnout, she had to restart from base with deep meditation, calm living, and clean eating before she could rebuild her practice.

The 100 Energy Model: We start each day with 100 units of energy. When we spend 30 percent worrying about yesterday and 30 percent anxious about tomorrow, we have almost nothing left for today. Morning routines help you reclaim that energy for the present moment.

The Simplicity Principle for Marketing: Stop trying to create a month-long content calendar with blogs, videos, emails, and social campaigns. Pick two or three posts per week with clear themes and just start. Consistency beats complexity every time.

The Pacing Truth: Being superwoman leads to burnout. Even when you have big visions for retreats, workshops, and expanded offerings, you have to walk before you can run. Sustainable growth means pacing yourself.

The Momentum Starter: Like stepping into an ice bath, the key is to turn off your overthinking mind and just step. Once you start, momentum builds, and you realize you can actually do this.

GOLDEN QUOTES WORTH REMEMBERING

"I had to restart from there, take myself back to base, start doing a lot of deep meditation, being very calm and clean in my food. And it was about self care before I could actually take care of other people." - Angiras Auro

"We start the day with 100 energy. We think about yesterday and give 30 percent away. We think about tomorrow and give 30 percent away. When you stop and just be focused, be present, all those emotional things go away." - Roy Castleman

"For me, that was overwhelming. I needed something really simple. Just keep it simple, keep it like that. And suddenly the words started to flow." - Angiras Auro

"Necessity is the mother of invention. It kickstarts the creativity, it kickstarts the ideas. It gets through that writer's block." - Angiras Auro

"Being superwoman actually is a burnout. Just trying to pace yourself, just trying to make sure you're doing what matters." - Angiras Auro

QUICK NAVIGATION FOR BUSY LEADERS

00:00 - Introduction: Meet Angiras and discover what kinesiology actually is

03:45 - Utopian Beginnings: Growing up in an intentional community in India and what that taught her about consciousness

08:20 - The Education Journey: How she taught herself O levels and A levels and manifested her way into UK university

13:30 - Discovering Kinesiology: The moment she walked home on air after a healing session and knew this was her path

18:15 - The Burnout Crash: How 18 months of redundancy stress led to weeks-long migraines and losing all her clients

22:40 - The Restart: Why self-care had to come first before she could rebuild her practice

26:30 - The Morning Routine: Her practical combination of Joe Dispenza meditation, Wim Hof breathing, and journaling

30:45 - Simple Marketing That Works: Why two or three focused posts per week beats complicated content calendars

35:20 - The Future Vision: Training courses, packages, and pacing yourself to avoid burnout

37:30 - Conclusion: Where to connect and next steps for listeners

GUEST SPOTLIGHT

Name: Angiras Auro

Bio: Angiras is a kinesiologist and holistic health practitioner with nearly 20 years of experience helping clients address emotional, nutritional, structural, and energetic imbalances. Raised in Auroville, an intentional community in India dedicated to human unity and consciousness transformation, she brings a unique perspective on inner work and sustainable healing. She now trains others in kinesiology through foundation and diploma level courses.

Connect with Angiras:

Website: integral-health.co.uk

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/angirasauro/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/angiras.auro

YOUR NEXT ACTIONS

This Week: Create a simple morning routine with just one element. Choose either 10 minutes of meditation, breathwork, or journaling. Do not try to do everything at once.

This Month: Identify the three simple themes you could post about on social media. Stop planning the perfect content calendar and just start posting two or three times per week.

This Quarter: Audit where you are sacrificing your health and energy for the business. Block out non-negotiable self-care time before it catches up with you like it did with Angiras.

EPISODE RESOURCES

Joe Dispenza meditations mentioned for morning routine

Wim Hof breathing technique referenced as part of energy practice

William White Cloud work on intuition and manifestation journaling

Kinesiology Association training course curriculum

ChatGPT for kickstarting content ideas and overcoming writer's block

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Roy is the founder of All The Power Limited and creator of Elevate360, a business coaching system for entrepreneurs ready to scale without burnout. As a certified Wim Hof Method Instructor and the UK's first certified BOS UP coach, Roy combines AI automation, wellness practices, and business operating systems to help trapped entrepreneurs reclaim their freedom.

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Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, power movers, wherever you

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are in the world Today, I'm with Anguirus and Anguirus

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is a very interesting lady. I'm not even going to

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try and say the word now because I always get

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it wrong. Anger is going to explain what she does.

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And I've been working with Anguirus for some time now

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and really fascinated by her career, her history, her story.

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So welcome, Angiras. Thank you very much. Why don't you

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tell us a little bit about what you do, first

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of all. And then I want to go back. That.

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That impossible to pronounce name is kinesiology. That's. I've

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just got a mental block against it. Yeah, kinesiology, yeah.

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But you do so much more than that, don't you?

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Yes. Kinesiology is like when you take it down to

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its bare bones, it's literally just muscle response testing. It's

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like the muscles, like a sw. It's either on or

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it's off. And if it's not on when it should

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be or it's not off when it should be, that

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indicates that there's an imbalance. And the imbalance can be

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emotional, it can be nutritional, it can be structural or

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it can be energetic. I'm going now deeper into how

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it can be genetic and all that kind of stuff.

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So we can get quite deep into it, but you

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can. Once you've got the muscle testing, you can go

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everywhere with it. And what I love about how you

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approach life in the world is you're also a total

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learner, you're learning all the time. But let's go back

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now. You've got into this field for a couple of

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reasons, but I want to go back right to your

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childhood because I find that fascinating. Tell us a bit

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about that and then we can move on from there.

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Yeah. So I was brought up. I was born and

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brought up in India, a international township called Oroville, which

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is where my surname comes from. And basically it's city

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in the making, with the intention of human unity, in

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the principles of basically transforming human consciousness and the planet.

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So it was growing up into that. It really started

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with nothing. There was. It was really a bunch of

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mad hippies on a barren plateau with no trees, trying

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to build this city in the middle of nowhere with

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absolutely nothing. So they all sounded a bit nuts, but

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actually it's 50 years on now and. Or even more

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than 50 years old now. And they've got like 40

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million trees, they've got a whole infrastructure, they've got Everything

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there. So it's still in progress and it's still happening.

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For me that was. It was very small community living

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for me at the time because we lived in. Everybody

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knew everybody there was. We went from 500 people to

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a thousand people to 2,000 people. So you grow and

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you know everybody and you're growing up into that and

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children are being born. But there was this notion that

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children are free, children are able to experiment and explore

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themselves and their. The future. How was, how did that.

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How was that. That sounds like a magical childhood. How

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did you feel going through it? For me it was

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normal. Right. I guess that's pretty true. All I knew,

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that was all I knew. Obviously we were told we

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were the sun eyed children of the dawn. So there

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was a little bit of this is the future, you

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guys have got to achieve something. But at the same

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time it was everybody just trying to learn how to

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get along with each other, learning how to. Yeah. Live

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together, cooperate, build something and actually really tangibly build something.

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And you have this incredible utopian ideal in front of

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you of if you take the John Lennon song Imagine,

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right, in a way encapsulates the whole ethos of the

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place. Imagine a place where nobody's in charge, right? So

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it's not like being led by a single leader. It's

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not being led by a very charismatic who. It's

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much more based on the ideals and dedicating yourself to

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a much higher ideal. And part of that basis in

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there was also this idea that actually we're transforming consciousness.

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And the place to transform consciousness is within our own

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selves and our own selves. And it's only through the

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work we do on ourselves and our contribution to the

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community and working together. But it's like that kind of

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blending of inside and outside. So you. We're

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seeing so much more of that come into the world

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now, Right. Especially in the last two years, especially since

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COVID Don't let me swear here. But yeah. So you

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were well ahead of that train entry. And what does

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it feel like now watching it all come in? Do

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you feel like you were maybe just a couple of

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years too early or was it perfect? I guess for

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me it was perfect because I was living that. That

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was my whole ethos. So it feels like the world's

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caught up with us, but it's still in work, in

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progress. We're not there yet. It's still. We're not there

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yet. So there's the idea. It's a journey, right? It's

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a journey. It is a journey. I don't know that

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you ever actually reached the end, because evolution being what

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it is, it's always the next thing. So humankind is

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not really the final top. You then get the kind

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of the Superman, the next version of us, which is

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like the psychic being, which is perhaps much more intuitive.

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And yeah. When a completely different thing. So it's amazing.

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Like we. You just hit the nail on the head.

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That was normal for me. Yeah. That was just my

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life. Right. I grew up, my father used to move

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a lot. I went to 13 different junior schools and

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we didn't stay in the same house for more than

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three to six months. And now that you say that's

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probably the first time I've actually even thought this. That

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was normal for me. Yeah. I didn't realize until my

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parents divorced and we stayed in, in Durban for many

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years after that. I didn't realize what the world considered

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normal. It's like, what is normal, really? It's, it's just.

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It's where you are and how you. You do things

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and it's your normal rather than other people's normal. So

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let's move on a little bit. You, you then you're

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growing up in this utopian idea and you decided to.

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You got married, you give us your story. I had

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the. Because the kind of. The main thing there was

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around education for me, in the sense that actually because

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it was such a small community, they were not necessarily

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professional teachers. They were. It was parents doing their best.

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Right. To educate, but within the framework of let's have

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a new type of education, let's do something different. So

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there were no exams, there were no tests. We didn't

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graduate, we didn't go from year to year. We didn't.

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But then there was a certain moment, it's like. But

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actually, how do you compare yourself to the outside world?

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And we were not an insular community. We're not. It's

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not like we were a cult in which the outside

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world is bad and you have no interaction with the

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outside world. We have plenty of interaction with the outside

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world. So it's like, how do you actually then frame

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what you know and how you are with the outside

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world? And so education became that, like the rest of

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the world lives off certificates and degrees and qualifications and

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that sort of stuff. So how. What do you do?

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So I basically, at a certain point, I was probably

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about 16, 17, I was trying to, okay, what am

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I doing with myself? I got into. I'd already be

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at that point, I'd done massa, learned massage I tampered

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with the idea of becoming a nurse. I did Reiki

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level one, which was like, right at the beginning of

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Reiki, when before anybody really knew what it was, I

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was doing polarity therapy. I was doing all of those

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kind of things. But for me, education was it. And

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I decided I wanted to become a teacher, and therefore

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to become a teacher, I had to go and qualify

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properly. So I did my O levels and my A

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levels by myself. I found my own teachers from within

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the community who were able to support me. But a

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lot of the time I would just sit in my

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room by myself, studying and doing and. But what actually

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I found for me then, which will become relevant later,

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is that I didn't realize how stressed that was making

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me. But then the dream was that then I would

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move. I was going to come over here and go

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to university and become a teacher and do the whole

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university thing. So that's where the, like, the whole concepts

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around power of manifestation was all there. Like, you just

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fix it, and if it's meant to be, it's meant

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to be and you make it happen. So I manifested

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all sorts of things because, as I said, I came

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to this country when I was 20, 21 with a

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suitcase and £100, and I had been offered a place

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in a couple of universities, but they all wanted foreign

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fees. And I came from poor hippie parents who were

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not going to be able to pay the international foreign

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fees at the time. And I remember just standing there

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in front of the finance officer in the university and

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kind of going, I have a bank account in Holland.

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And he was like, that's it. You lived in Holland?

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And I was about to tell him like, no. And

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this voice in my head said, be quiet. And so

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I got in on home fees. Look at how you

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manifested that, right? Yeah. And I did my degree

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in sociology and education with the intention of doing a

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final year in teacher train, actual teacher training. But by

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this point I'd realized that my upbringing did not equip

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me for Central London teaching with kids of classes of

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30 kids. But that

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was just not a. Yeah, wasn't happening. In my second

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year, I went back home, got back together with my

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husband and married him, so that he then came over

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here, because I could see that there was still possibilities.

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I still needed to do another year of the teacher

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training. Potentially I'd go and do a master's, I could

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go and do all of those kind of things. But

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actually then I found that then I got a little

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bit sidetracked and I Decided to start working. My first

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job was with a charity. So it was a disability

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charity called Leonard Cheshire Disability. And I worked in their

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head office as their information officer and then their information

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manager. And I got into a bit of knowledge management

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and things like that and around into there. Because of

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the charity I ended up in, they do challenge events.

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And we were in a big exhibition hall in Edexcel

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in London and the lady in the stall next to

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us was doing kinesiology. Okay. And I'd. Because

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of all the stress of kind of teaching myself and

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being quite self sufficient as a young person, I had

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always little niggles and complaints and things like that. I

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always had things going on. So I would see the

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homeopath and I would see reflexologist and I was always

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doing things. But I will often be going to the

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doctors as well. What's wrong with me? And because everybody

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knows everybody, the doctor was known. And my husband met

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my husband outside the health center one day and he

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just went, what's wrong with her? And he turned around

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and said, she's a hypochondriac. So great. So

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from there I. When I saw this kinesiologist and I

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saw her leaflet and it was the whole thing, it

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was bringing everything together. It was the emotion, it was

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the structure, it was the nutrition. It was like, oh,

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that's everything in one place. It makes total sense because

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I had been seeing all of these things and fairly

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instantly. So the first session she's like Candida and put

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me on some supplements and a restricted diet. And quite

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quickly a lot of these symptoms started to disappear and

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she. And then I remember coming back from a session

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with her one day where she'd done something. She said,

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I'm just going to clear all of this trauma in

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your system. And she just held some points. I walked

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home on air. I was like, literally felt like I

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was 2 inches off the ground as I came. I

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just felt so light, so free. So I was like.

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And then I got pregnant with my first daughter and

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I thought, actually I don't want to be in the

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corporate world anymore. I don't want to be. I wasn't

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really in the corporate world because charities, third sector rather

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than corporate. But it's still that same stone mentality and

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that I want to create something which is more meaningful

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for my daughter. So I decided to study kinesiology. So

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that's what I'm off to do. But I had to

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wait. So she was a little bit older, so she

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was a year old before I started to train. And

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I kept the job because I needed to pay for

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the course. And then you, obviously, you have to go

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through all the stages. So I probably stayed in the

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job a lot longer than I should have. Yeah, until

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there was that kind of. That's. That's the thing. You

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go and you have an idea, you have a dream,

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you have a vision of where you're going to, and

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then from there you actually need to take that step,

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don't you? How do I go and work for myself?

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So tell us when you decided that it was time.

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Give us that story. To some extent, it was made

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a little bit for me, but I'd already started practicing,

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so I'd qualified in 2006. And so I then started

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in August of 2006, starting to see clients. And my

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husband had a shift pattern. We had two young children

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and he had a shift pattern which meant that he

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had either a Friday off or a Saturday off. And

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so I would just. I'd work in London three days

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a week and then on a Friday or a Saturday,

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I would see all my kinesiology clients and I would

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sometimes have eight or nine clients in a day. I'd

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be there from eight till seven in the evening or

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something. And it was amazing. I felt really high. I

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felt like I was in a really good place and

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I was just a bit. That there was that tension

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then. Do I leave now? Am I. Have I got

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enough clients to make it work? Do I? But there's

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a security and all of that kind of stuff, so

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I didn't. And then they decided to have a. They

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brought in some corporate chap who decided to restructure the

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whole organization. So he made the entirety of head office,

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plus all senior managers, redundant. But then when you do

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something like that, then there's a whole process that you

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go through and not every. It doesn't actually happen overnight.

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It's not one minute you're there and not in the

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uk. You have to go through processes and procedures and

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consultations and stuff like that. And that took 18 months

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and there were no voluntary redundancies. So I couldn't just

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say, that's it, I'm going, please can I have my

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redundancy money? By that point, I'd been with them for

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about 9, 10 years. Please can I have my redundancy?

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And I'm off. So I had to stick through it.

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And actually the stress and the strain of that was

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really. Actually got me quite ill again. And in the

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end I kind of. I had the choice because I

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started studying knowledge management. That I could have gone for

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head of Knowledge management as a full time post or

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quit and start this in that moment. Somebody threw some

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tarot cards for me. Yeah, cool. Through some tarot cards

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came for me and said but you will have success

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if you go for the Head of Knowledge management. You'll.

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That will be fine but it will be at the

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cost of the family life. Yeah. So I chose. So

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let's just dig in now a little bit because you

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know so many times that we do things, we get

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into things that help us and then we go and

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teach it. I've done the WIM HOF stuff and that

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really helped me. So I became an instructor and I

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taught that. I've done the business coaching stuff and that's

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really how I got to where I am today. You've

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also had some personal challenges in terms of your own

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health. I know you suffered from migraines and so this

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really, you know, this is stuff that you know works

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from a real personal point of view. Yeah. Tell us

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a little bit about that. Just in terms of how

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I use it for myself. It does, it gives me

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perspective on foods that could be. Particularly with my migraines.

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It was the foods that were triggering me what I

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could eat and couldn't eat. It was trying to find

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the right nutritional supplements that would work. But it was

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also getting into the de stressing the things that really

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stressed me out and I don't, I haven't found anybody

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who does quite what I do. So even though I

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have a lot of colleagues, nobody does what I do.

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So I get plenty of people in with migraines and

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I can resolve them quite easily. Persons I

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need somebody who does what I do. So I started

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training people now. Good. Yeah. Yes. And this has been

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an evolution and we, we met at a business networking

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event some time ago and since then we've been working

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with a range of different business. We started with the

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AI and everyone was like yeah. And you dug into

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that and. Yeah. How have you found that? Yeah, kind

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of taking. Looking at what I do as a kind

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of a business and that it needs to have business

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processes in place and it needs to have business strategies

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in place and it needs to have. And I need

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to have structure in terms of how I'm marketing myself

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and all of that kind of stuff. This year has

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been a massive journey in that because I've been winging

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it. I've been doing this for 20 years, but Winging

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it in a way I say I've been doing it

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for 20 years but I had to restart in a

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way, three times. Because when I actually got made redundant,

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which I think in the end was actually 2012, it

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was sort of there. So it was like, even though

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I'd started practicing in 2006, it was 2012 before I

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was actually made redundant. By the end of that process,

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I was annihilated. I actually somehow had lost all my

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clients. I was barely functional. When I say that I

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had migraines sometimes. It went on for weeks, like weeks

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at a time. I was like. And you'd get one

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and you'd have 24 hours where you'd be functional and

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then you'd go down with another one. And when you

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get into that state, even as a healer, even as

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a thing, it's like you start clutching at straws everywhere.

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Everything stresses you out, everything. What is it this that's

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causing it? Is it that you start clutching it, running

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around in circles? So I had to restart from there,

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take myself back to base, start doing a lot of,

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like, deep meditation, being very calm and clean in my

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food. And it was about self care before I could

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actually take care of other people. And then again in

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that kind of manifestation thing, I wasn't advertising for people,

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I wasn't looking for people. They just started coming, you

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know, and then they started coming back, and then they

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started coming back. So that's such a big. Sorry to

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interrupt. That's such a big piece, right? Yeah. That's such

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a life lesson for business owners. And we've spoken about

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this again and again. That's right. What. What are you

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doing for yourself? Blow everybody else. What are you doing

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for yourself? Because if you can't be energetically powerful today,

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then there's no ways you can give your best to

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the other people that you're trying to care for. We

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try to care for our families, we care for our

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clients, we care for the business, we care for everybody

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else before ourselves. And then suddenly it's not working and

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it's just a snowball down the hill and grows and

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grows. And yeah, when you stop, when you actually stop

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and you say right now, what am I going to

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do for myself at the moment? You we've spok and

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you're doing a morning routine that works for you. So

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do you want to poke us through that? Yeah. So

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currently my morning routine is to wake up at seven

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and then I do the one or other of his

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name, Joe Dispenza's. Joe Dispenza's meditation. So I do that

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for about 20 minutes. From there, I transition into wim

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Hof breathing and into that. Then I create a kind

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of a little bit space where it's actually silence. And

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I'm in a much more silent, focused place. So I'm

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allowing myself because Joe Dispenza is lovely, but you're in

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a guided meditation, so you're doing what he's. The Wim

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Hof then allows the clarity and that kind of silent

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space where you can just come into your center and

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just be really focused. So I do that. And then

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I did some work two, three years ago with somebody

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called William White Cloud, which is all about going into

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your intuition and manifesting your day, but it's also

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about making you. You have a bunch of choices that

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you've created for yourself of what you want to manifest

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for your life generally. And so I sit there and

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I spend anywhere from 10 to 15 minutes almost journaling,

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but it's like automatic writing about what's the day. And

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kind of. I include gratitudes into that as well about

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thank you for all the things that have changed and

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shifted into that. And then I do a bit of

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Pilates into that. And when I am courageous, I then

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finish that off with a cold shower. Now, that's amazing.

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And the thing is, if you can do a bit

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of that, if you can just start that, because this

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is where we read. We already. We started. You know

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what you need to do. We all know what we

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need to do. Right. And. But then we don't do

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it. Why is that? We know what's good for us

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and we teach other people to do it and then

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we don't do it. And it's really difficult to get

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into, let's say I have. It takes 27 days to

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form. I don't think. I think it takes much longer

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than that. And I think we spoke about habit stacking

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and just this main piece for me now when I'm

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doing my morning routine is knowing that when I start

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this is going to make my day so much better.

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Yeah. How do you think your energy is for the

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day now when you do your morning routines compared to

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when you don't? Can you really tell the difference? Oh,

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yeah, Massive difference. Yeah, there's a massive difference. And almost

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to the point where I pick and choose which things

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are the most important thing to get through if I

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can't do the full routine. So yesterday, circumstances being what

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they were, I got home from London at nearly midnight

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and then I had to be somewhere early in the

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morning and I going, sleep's really important for me. Asleep.

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I actually, if I Don't have enough sleep, I don't

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function. So I needed to balance the getting enough sleep,

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waking up in time to be ready to go out

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and doing my morning routine. So this morning I just

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did the meditation and the Wim Hof breathing and then

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I think I just wrote out the three main choices.

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I didn't do any deeper writing work. It's like as

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long as I wrote down the three main choices, then

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I. And that's just it. We start the day with

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this whole piece of energy and how much energy we've

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got. Right. We start the day with 100 energy as

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we open our eyes and then we think about yesterday

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and we give 30% away to yesterday and then we

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think about tomorrow. We give 30% away tomorrow. And yeah,

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one of the reasons that the things that I do

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is it allows me to get into now and allows

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me to store my energy for today, which is so

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much more powerful, I think, for me anyway, when I'm

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actually just able to be focused, when I'm able to

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be present, when all those emotional things are going away

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from yesterday and I don't have to worry about tomorrow

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because if I work on today better, if I do

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my best today, then tomorrow is going to look after

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itself. So now you're going through. And if you're. We're

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now this process where you're doing your social media and

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you're. We're doing podcast. Yeah, we're moving forward. How do

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you see the future playing out? You've got. You've actually

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got a course that's coming up at the beginning of

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January and you're filling that up and you do a

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couple of things. You work with clients, but you also

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teach people now. So tell me about the teaching part

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of it, because that's. I think that's really interestingly starting

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teaching. It is the kinesiology. So it's based on the

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Kinesiology at Associations training course. So it's a fairly set

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curriculum, which is. There's a foundation level which is open

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to anybody. So you can be a layperson with zero

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experience whatsoever of anything in the health world. But it's

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also suitable for people who are already qualified and say

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nutritionists or physiotherapists, massage therapists, all of that, who want

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to add more skills. And we take them from the

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journey basically right from the start of like how to

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test a muscle and then actually when you get a

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result in your muscle testing, what does that mean? And

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then how to layer the corrections on it, because in

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a way we always Think of kinesiology. Oh, it's muscle

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testing. But muscle testing is just the question, right? Then

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it's what's the answer? And then within kinesiology we draw

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upon most other therapies to build

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up a balance. So we draw on chiropractic, we draw

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on osteopathy, we draw on acupuncture, we draw on batch

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flower remedies, there's neuro, linguistic programming, there's all sorts of

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things again. And actually that then becomes the beauty. You

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can take it where you want once you're fully qualified

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and you can go deeper, diver into any different aspect.

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So the first part of the foundation is six months,

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it's one weekend a month and then in between each

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weekend you do case studies and answer a few questions

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to help you embed the information. But it's all about

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practice and practical and actually feeling the body and learning

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the energy of the body. And after six months you

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are able, if you're a layperson, you're just able to

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work on friends and family point onwards. But if you're

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already a qualified practitioner you can then incorporate it into

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your existing practice. And then the second stage then is

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there's an in between module called module 7 which is

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for lay people who want to be a sort of

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semi practitioner and they can charge a nominal fee. So

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they, we do an extra module where they're then qualified

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for that and then we have the diploma level which

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is a year's course course. So it's 12 weekends where

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we then take you into much more, the deeper level

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of the practitioner work on top. Once you get to

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diploma level really then you also have to have your

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anatomy and physiology and you do have to have a

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nutritional qualification to go with it to get your final

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diploma. So I teach that right from foundation right up

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to the end of diploma level. Eventually we'll start exploring

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CPD options and. Yeah, that's, yeah, that,

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that's amazing because now when we started working together, what

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are we actually doing? What are we, who are we

493

selling to? What's our icp, our ideal customer profile, how

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do we get in front of them? And I seem

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to recall someone being very reluctant to get onto social

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media and very reluctant to get the videos out there

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and do things. And this is something that so many

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people suffer with. It's like I have, yeah, I want

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to go out and business owners are great because I

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love business owners from the point of view that they

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have, they see a problem in the world, they've suffered

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a problem, they found a solution and Then they go

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and present this problem to the world. And in order

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to be able to do that, we actually need to

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get on, get in front of the camera. We actually

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need to learn how it is that people want to

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receive this information. So you started this journey now a

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couple of weeks ago or maybe a month ago, and

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you've been dabbling in and out of it for a

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while. What's been. What would be some advice you would

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give to someone to actually get going and start moving

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on this? I think don't make it get complicated because

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when I first started dabbling in it, I got. I

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actually had a social media person come in and I

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paid her some money or whatever with the idea that

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I thought she was going to write the material for

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me. And instead what she did is she came in

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and she gave me a calendar and said, right, every

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day, write this and this. And I was like, I

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actually haven't got time and space in my life to

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write like that at the time because, yeah, lots of

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things going on. So it didn't happen. And I think

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for a lot of people who are professional marketers and

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very into it, they create like a whole month's plan

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or a whole quarter's plan or this is when I'm

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going to do my next campaign. And this is when

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I. And for me, that was. I. I didn't have

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the space and time to think that far ahead to

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make that kind of content. And actually again, I didn't

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either also have the budget for it specifically. So in

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a way it was like I needed something really simple

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which is like actually think about only posting two or

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three times a week. Have a really structured. This is

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how I use kinesiology every day. This is a myth

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that there is about kinesiology. This is how you know

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the training course can help you. And you just have

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three posts. Just keep it simple, keep it like that.

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But actually suddenly what I found is that because I

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was always so overwhelmed, it didn't happen. But because I

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suddenly had a focus that I have something to promote

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that needed to be out there. I. The words have

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started to flow. Necessity is the mother of invention. It's

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all started flowing. And I have been posting almost every

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day. I've got a little list on my phone of

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things that I want to say and posts that I

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can make and things like that. But I pulled out

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somebody's sheet again recently and it was like, then you

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have your post and you have your calendar of your

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post and then you have your email marketing strategy and

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then you have your video blog. And then you have

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your blog and all of these kind of things. And

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I looked at that and I said, I still can't

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do that. Just start when we. You came to my

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place, we did the WIM HOF workshop, and that point

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where you're standing in front of the ice bath, right.

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And you now have to get in it. And let's

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face it, it's a. It's an overwhelming thing. Right. It's

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a massively overwhelming thing. Your mind is screaming at you,

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don't do it. Don't do it. Yeah. My favorite part

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of that is I'll say, yeah, I'll set it up

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and I'll say, okay, step, step and go. Yeah. And

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when you turn off your mind and you just do

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that, suddenly you get momentum and then you realize, actually,

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I can do this. And this is what you're saying

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here. You start. Just start. Because once you start, you

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know, momentum will come. And when you start. We spoke

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a lot about this. Initially, you're going to be right.

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It's not going to be great. And that's okay because

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initially nobody's looking at you because no one's actually here.

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And as you go through and you change and you

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adjust and you do things in a different way, you

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learn and you start getting some depth in your posts.

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And I've already seen that with yours. Even in this

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very short amount of time, people are responding, people react,

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and you've got some leads in from it and you're

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having conversation with people. So it's amazing. And as you

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go through this next stage, I really can see this

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being a foundation of where you're going. So then we

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started talking a lot about the business structure. Yeah. And

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again, what an overwhelming thing that is. It's so overwhelming

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because we're a symbol. Often we start off and we're

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a single person doing the work of a whole organization.

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No matter what company you're running, this whole organization piece

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is there, right? You have the. You have to be

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the leader, you have to be the marketer, you have

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to be the salesperson, you have to be the operations

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person delivering it. Then you have to be the accounts

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person. Oh, and just put the admin person in there

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and the executive assistant. All these things have to be

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done. And what we end up doing is we do

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the things we like, we do the things we find

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easy and we don't think too much about the things

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we don't like. Yeah. And suddenly at some point, that

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just becomes a glass ceiling. You can't break through. So

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we started doing the BOS stuff, the boss up stuff,

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and just looking through that. How have you found that

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in terms of opening up your mind? Certainly getting through

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that block of what do I say and what do

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I write and how do I structure it and stuff

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like that. Using Chat GPT has been quite beneficial.

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It like really just clicked and then it was like,

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okay, this makes sense. And what I have worked out

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over the kind of time we've been working is that

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whereas ChatGPT is quite good for giving me springboard ideas,

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it doesn't really know my language yet. I haven't trained

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it enough to know my language. Basically I can't get

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it to write for me. And I actually like the

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process of writing and I'm very much somebody who takes

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a piece of paper and a pen and I write

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it out. So. Yes, but it's kickstarts the creativity, it

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kickstarts the ideas. It gets through that, what they call

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writer's block. Right. And that often is the stress. And

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obviously the stress is the bit which then is the

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start. The thing that blocks us anyway is because stress

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shuts down and we go into lizard brain. Right. For

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sure. Yeah. Crocodile mindset. So what's the future? You've got

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this course that's coming up in the beginning of January,

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if I remember correctly. You're starting to get more clients

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in, but you're also taking yourself out of being too

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much of the bottleneck everywhere. And. Yeah. Where do you

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see yourself in the first six months? Next year I've

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got a foundation course starting on 3 January, potential for

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a diploma level course also starting either end of January

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or beginning of March because I might go away in

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February, which is very exciting for me and. Yeah. But

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then building on that, because I think the next stage

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of it is that the other piece of work that

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I've been doing in the background is what'? My creating

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a set of packages for individual clients and getting the

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individual client packages together. I have lots and lots of

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ideas, but I have worked out that you have to

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pace yourself. So I'd love to see. I'd love to

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run a retreat, I'd love to do. Run workshops, I'd

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love to do all of those kind of things. But

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I do know that you have to walk before you

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can run. And I'm already doing a fair amount and

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getting strategies into place and things like that. And I

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still have to manage the family life. Yeah, yeah. The

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real life comes into it for sure. And it's that

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kind of thing of Being superwoman actually is a burnout.

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Just trying to pace yourself, just trying to make sure

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you're doing. We'll talk a bit more about the vision

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and we've done a bit of that. But, yeah, what

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do you do? Because the vision is a big hairy

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thing. It's like, oh, big hairy, audacious gold. This is

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amazing. But then what do I do this week that

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takes me to that vision? What's the one thing that

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I can do? And just breaking it down into those

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modules is good. Thank you very much for joining me.

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It's been awesome chatting and we want to catch up

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again in a few months time and see how you're

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getting on. Where can people get hold of you if

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they're interested in either your course or seeing you for

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the, for the work that you do? So they can

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Visit my website, integral-dot co.uk that's my website.

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Or they can find me on social media as Oro

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Integral Health or One Word Magic. And I'll put all

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those contact details below there. But yeah, thank you very

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much for joining me. It's been amazing chatting and looking

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forward to hearing more about your journey. Lovely. Thank you

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so much, Roy.