Welcome back to Dont get this Twisted

The conversation explores the impact of phones on relationships, both personal and familial. The hosts discuss their personal experiences and fears of being exposed through their podcast. They highlight the negative effects of phones on communication, such as the loss of closeness and the inability to connect with others. The hosts also discuss the phenomenon of people being constantly on their phones, even in social settings like concerts. They emphasize the importance of human connection and the need to prioritize face-to-face interaction. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the negative effects of phones as babysitters and the importance of being present in relationships. This conversation explores the impact of phones and social media on personal relationships and society. The hosts discuss the importance of being present and engaged in conversations, as well as the negative effects of excessive phone use. They also touch on the decline of TV and the loss of interaction while watching. The conversation delves into the negative effects of blue light and social media on sleep, as well as the manipulation of social media platforms. The hosts emphasize the need for setting boundaries with phones and limiting screen time for children. They also discuss the dual nature of social media and the need for change in society's relationship with technology.

Explicit

DGTTwisted@gmail.com

Copyright 2024 Dont get this Twisted

This podcast and website represent the opinions of Robb Courtney and Tina Garcia and their guests to the show and website. The content here should not be interpreted as medical advice or any other type of advice from any other type of licensed professional. The content here is for informational purposes only, and because each person is so unique, please consult your healthcare or other applicable licensed professional with any medical or other related questions. Views and opinions expressed in the podcast and website are our own and do not represent that of our places of work. While we make every effort to ensure that the information, we are sharing is accurate, we welcome any comments, suggestions, or correction of errors. Privacy is of the utmost importance to us. All people, places, and scenarios mentioned in the podcast have been changed to protect confidentiality. This website or podcast should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever, including but not limited to establishing “standard of care” in a legal sense or as a basis for expert witness testimony related to the medical profession or any other licensed profession. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on the podcast or website. In no way does listening, reading, emailing, or interacting on social media with our content establish a doctor-patient relationship or relationship with any other type of licensed professional. Robb Courtney and Tina Garcia do not receive any money from any pharmaceutical industry for topics covered pertaining to medicine or medical in nature. If you find any errors in any of the content of this podcast, website, or blogs, please send a message through the “contact” page or email DGTTwisted@gmail.com. This podcast is owned by "Don’t Get This Twisted,” Robb Courtney.

1

[Robb]: And welcome to another show of Don't

Get This Twisted. I am Rob, along with my co-host

2

[Robb]: as always, Tina. How are you doing?

3

[Tina m Garcia]: I've been going crazy trying

to figure out how I'm gonna plan all the things

4

[Tina m Garcia]: going on in my life, but other

than that, I'm doing quite well.

5

[Robb]: That's

6

[Tina m Garcia]: How are you?

7

[Robb]: always a plus. Ah, you know, a little

of this and a little of that.

8

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.

9

[Robb]: My life is always a roller coaster.

10

[Tina m Garcia]: Isn't life normally like that?

11

[Robb]: Yeah, it's like living at Disneyland.

12

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah. I, um, okay. So we did

the polyamory, um, podcast

13

[Robb]: Hmm.

14

[Tina m Garcia]: and that for me, I was really

afraid of, because like I said, in the podcast,

15

[Tina m Garcia]: I kept everything very secretive

and, um, the one person, well, there was several,

16

[Tina m Garcia]: but most of the men in my life

from my brother, my dad, to my ex, to anybody

17

[Tina m Garcia]: I've dated, nobody listens

to the podcast. Everything.

18

[Robb]: Well, that's good.

19

[Tina m Garcia]: Um, yeah, probably is.

20

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

21

[Tina m Garcia]: But, um, I was, I was very

worried about my, my, uh, my other mother hearing

22

[Tina m Garcia]: the podcast and I went to a

party on Saturday and. This is a week ago,

23

[Tina m Garcia]: and I found out from her son

that she listened to the episode, because he

24

[Tina m Garcia]: told her to, which

25

[Robb]: Of course.

26

[Tina m Garcia]: I was like, oh my God, you

threw me under a bus. But, you know, my, one

27

[Tina m Garcia]: of my biggest fears is, is

being exposed and people see

28

[Robb]: Sure.

29

[Tina m Garcia]: stupid shit that I've done.

And it, it sparked a very good conversation

30

[Tina m Garcia]: between, uh, me and my second

mom. And, uh, she was very sweet about the

31

[Tina m Garcia]: whole thing. And. she had some

questions and I answered them as truthfully

32

[Tina m Garcia]: as is I could and um yeah it

worked out okay so I guess the moral of the

33

[Tina m Garcia]: story is don't be so afraid

of the truth coming out because it's just the

34

[Tina m Garcia]: truth and you just got to deal

with what is

35

[Robb]: I agree.

36

[Tina m Garcia]: so yeah.

37

[Robb]: I don't pull any punches on here, so

whoever listens, they

38

[Tina m Garcia]: I gotta

39

[Robb]: just

40

[Tina m Garcia]: tell

41

[Robb]: know they're

42

[Tina m Garcia]: you,

43

[Robb]: getting it.

44

[Tina m Garcia]: nobody really wants to know

how real things could be with me. I don't think

45

[Tina m Garcia]: like I do stupid shit. I'm

not going to lie, but I also I'm pretty smart

46

[Tina m Garcia]: about it. And I, I will hold

my own with what I've done. It's not like I'll

47

[Tina m Garcia]: just do something I don't believe

in, but still there's that little kid inside

48

[Tina m Garcia]: that doesn't want mom to find

out or doesn't want to be exposed, you know,

49

[Tina m Garcia]: or be wrong. And, and man,

people don't like me already because of who

50

[Tina m Garcia]: I am and how I act and what

I do. And I don't see myself as being wild,

51

[Tina m Garcia]: but I am bold and I will do

whatever the hell I want to do. And I make

52

[Tina m Garcia]: no excuses for my action. I'll

just be like, yeah, that was me. So for me,

53

[Tina m Garcia]: I always feel like I'm under

a microscope. Especially doing the podcast.

54

[Tina m Garcia]: That's why I didn't even promote

this to my family that, you know, like there's

55

[Tina m Garcia]: so many people that don't know.

And then there's other people that I don't

56

[Tina m Garcia]: even know how they know just

through talking, but, um, so far what I'm getting

57

[Tina m Garcia]: from the people that I have

led in to listen to this is that they, that

58

[Tina m Garcia]: they like that we're real and

that I am the way I am here or, uh, in real

59

[Tina m Garcia]: life. So. I'm just gonna keep

going with that, but man was that... I was

60

[Tina m Garcia]: like, oh no. It

61

[Robb]: Yeah,

62

[Tina m Garcia]: was a lot. Ha ha ha.

63

[Robb]: there were a few people who I was not

hesitant, just I knew that they would know

64

[Robb]: I was talking about them.

65

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.

66

[Robb]: But you know, like I'm a straight shooter.

I don't hold anything back. And most of the

67

[Robb]: people who would hear something about

them, they already know pretty much everything.

68

[Tina m Garcia]: Right?

69

[Robb]: It's just a matter of luck. That's why

we don't name names. It's easier to get

70

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm.

71

[Robb]: that going.

72

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.

73

[Robb]: So,

74

[Tina m Garcia]: Before

75

[Robb]: like

76

[Tina m Garcia]: we

77

[Robb]: always,

78

[Tina m Garcia]: get started,

79

[Robb]: like always,

80

[Tina m Garcia]: check out our socials.

81

[Robb]: check out our socials. Do all that fun

stuff. Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. And go

82

[Robb]: to wherever you listen to podcasts.

Apple, Google, Spotify, Amazon. pretty much

83

[Robb]: everywhere that you can hear podcasts

and follow so you get to shows every Wednesday.

84

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah,

85

[Robb]: So this

86

[Tina m Garcia]: do

87

[Robb]: week,

88

[Tina m Garcia]: that.

89

[Robb]: we were chatting around this last week

before coming up with ideas for the month of

90

[Robb]: May. And you brought up a really good

one that I think that we probably should have

91

[Robb]: done a while ago because I think it's

pretty important that what having a phone in

92

[Robb]: your hand has done to relationships,

93

[Tina m Garcia]: Mmm.

94

[Robb]: both family and personal relationships.

95

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

96

[Robb]: I think that it's, I see it more and

more now when you're out and about. Phones

97

[Robb]: have taken away any kind of closeness

that families used to have about talking with

98

[Robb]: each other at a table or

99

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

100

[Robb]: boyfriend and girlfriend. I've seen

couples that I'm not sure they're on dates

101

[Robb]: but are at least out to eat that literally

are sitting across from each other on their

102

[Robb]: phones.

103

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah. Oh yeah.

104

[Robb]: And with families, I think it's worse.

Like mostly younger kids where you see them,

105

[Robb]: they just have an iPad standing in front

of them.

106

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm

107

[Robb]: And

108

[Tina m Garcia]: at all times

109

[Robb]: the whole time while they're eating,

110

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah

111

[Robb]: it's bizarre. And I think both sides

of it, both the family side and the relationship

112

[Robb]: side are two totally different evils

that come with having a phone

113

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

114

[Robb]: in your hand all the time. See, we come

from the generation of having a cellphone that

115

[Robb]: was only used for talking.

116

[Tina m Garcia]: Well, we also come from a time

where we had to sit at the table to eat dinner.

117

[Tina m Garcia]: We had our grandparents showing

up at all, you know, at least in

118

[Robb]: Right.

119

[Tina m Garcia]: my world, always had grandparents

around, always had aunts, uncles, cousins.

120

[Tina m Garcia]: Um, you know, and another thing

is we had to pick up a phone that was stuck

121

[Tina m Garcia]: in the kitchen on a long cord

to talk to somebody. There's no way you could

122

[Tina m Garcia]: cheat or

123

[Robb]: Right.

124

[Tina m Garcia]: say something secretive because

everybody in the house is going to hear it.

125

[Tina m Garcia]: You're in the main room.

126

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

127

[Tina m Garcia]: of the house. I remember getting

off the phone with my parents so many times

128

[Tina m Garcia]: going, wait, where did you

say you were going to go? And who are you going

129

[Tina m Garcia]: with? And I'm like, damn, can

I get some privacy?

130

[Robb]: Right.

131

[Tina m Garcia]: You know, so we didn't have,

we didn't have a way of communicating, a way

132

[Tina m Garcia]: of, of having one-on-one communication

in any way that, that other people didn't have

133

[Tina m Garcia]: some sort of access to because

they were there, you know?

134

[Robb]: Well,

135

[Tina m Garcia]: Ahem.

136

[Robb]: and look, cell phones are great for

knowledge. I don't wanna take them totally

137

[Robb]: away, because if you need to know something,

or now with maps and other things, there's

138

[Robb]: definitely apps that are great for society.

Social media

139

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

140

[Robb]: has made us dumber, and way more likely

to use that for bad.

141

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

142

[Robb]: And I will tell you that it's, I've

done it, so I know. Social media can get you

143

[Robb]: in contact with people that you haven't

been in contact with for years and get you

144

[Robb]: in tons of trouble.

145

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

146

[Robb]: And then it's just, why are you on the

phone all the time? Why are you on the phone

147

[Robb]: all the time? Why are you on the phone

all the time? It'll lead to just turmoil. I

148

[Robb]: went out. and had drinks and dinner,

I don't know, a few weeks ago with a friend

149

[Robb]: of mine, and right here in town, it

was her and a friend of hers. I got there and

150

[Robb]: I will say, and we were there, I was

there hours, I will tell you that each one

151

[Robb]: of the people picked up their cell phones

maybe twice.

152

[Tina m Garcia]: Nice.

153

[Robb]: It was awesome. It was... it was nothing

but talking, and it was more like how things

154

[Robb]: should be. Nobody

155

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

156

[Robb]: was worried about, you know, who's doing

what or what's next, or texting or checking.

157

[Robb]: It's like, no, our phones were on the

table, and like, two of us, me and my friend,

158

[Robb]: I know have children. So that's her

biggest thing, is to make sure that she can

159

[Robb]: get, you know, her children are trying

to get ahold of her. And me the same way, if

160

[Robb]: I need my son to get ahold of me, I

want him to be able to do it. And I believe

161

[Robb]: the girl who was there, my friend's

friend, also had kids, so that would be the

162

[Robb]: same. But that was it, and it was nothing

but conversation, but I can tell you the people

163

[Robb]: around us, all of them had phones and

were looking at them the whole time.

164

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

165

[Robb]: So it's just a very bizarre thing, and

maybe it's a generational thing. I do believe

166

[Robb]: that our generation, has got caught

up in all of that because we

167

[Tina m Garcia]: Of

168

[Robb]: were

169

[Tina m Garcia]: course.

170

[Robb]: kind of the first internet, like we

were the first 20 year olds to have internet.

171

[Robb]: So we're part of that, but it's just

weird. And to

172

[Tina m Garcia]: But

173

[Robb]: see families.

174

[Tina m Garcia]: we also had a social connection

that was a staple in all of our worlds. Like

175

[Tina m Garcia]: we were teenagers before there

were cameras in everybody's hands. Thank God.

176

[Robb]: Thank goodness.

177

[Tina m Garcia]: We didn't have, I mean, people

had to tell me how to get to their house by

178

[Tina m Garcia]: using landmarks because I have

the worst sense of direction. And You know,

179

[Tina m Garcia]: I kind of enjoyed that. I knew

what was around more than I do now, because

180

[Tina m Garcia]: now I just put, plug it into

my phone and it says,

181

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

182

[Tina m Garcia]: turn right here and 150 feet.

You're good.

183

[Robb]: Right.

184

[Tina m Garcia]: You know? So I miss the fact

that we can't do everything that we used to

185

[Tina m Garcia]: do without somebody getting

it on video or getting

186

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

187

[Tina m Garcia]: it in pictures or, but then

I also liked the fact that everywhere we go,

188

[Tina m Garcia]: my friends are like, let's

take a picture real quick, you know? Cause

189

[Tina m Garcia]: when when, God forbid, one

of us is gone, we all have pictures

190

[Robb]: Mm

191

[Tina m Garcia]: of fun things that we did,

192

[Robb]: hmm.

193

[Tina m Garcia]: you

194

[Robb]: Sure.

195

[Tina m Garcia]: know? But it's, so that part

of it is good. And I like that I could connect

196

[Tina m Garcia]: with people that are far away.

I have family in Pittsburgh that I don't ever

197

[Tina m Garcia]: get to see or talk to, but

we communicate through social media.

198

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

199

[Tina m Garcia]: I enjoy that. But I can't stand

going to a restaurant. and my niece and my

200

[Tina m Garcia]: nephew are on their phone the

whole time and I'm trying to talk to them.

201

[Tina m Garcia]: They're not good at communicating.

They don't talk like I do.

202

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

203

[Tina m Garcia]: I don't like that I have a

hard time connecting with them. I have to force

204

[Tina m Garcia]: them to talk to me and trust

me, I do. I'm that aunt that goes, hey, you

205

[Tina m Garcia]: guys got me for about an hour.

You want to spend some time or are you going

206

[Tina m Garcia]: to sit on your phones all day?

Because if you're going to sit on your phones,

207

[Tina m Garcia]: I'll just leave. And then they're

like, okay, okay, okay.

208

[Robb]: Right.

209

[Tina m Garcia]: But. I shouldn't have to do

that, you know? But that's where we're going.

210

[Robb]: I mean, we're there.

211

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.

212

[Robb]: I mean, look, my kid, he can communicate.

He's a good talker, thank goodness. But I know

213

[Robb]: that being around him and his friends,

they're phone checkers for sure because there's

214

[Robb]: so many messages coming through. They

communicate with so many people.

215

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.

216

[Robb]: So I also think that that's better for

our generation is that we have obviously a

217

[Robb]: much smaller friend group. that we communicate

with a lot. These kids, I mean, they have 20,

218

[Robb]: 30, 40 text message going at the same

time. I couldn't even fathom remembering who

219

[Robb]: I'm talking to.

220

[Tina m Garcia]: I'm going to go to bed.

221

[Robb]: So I think it is a generational thing.

And they do things different, there's no doubt.

222

[Robb]: But I think we have smartphones that

are making us dumber. Like you said,

223

[Tina m Garcia]: I agree with

224

[Robb]: maps

225

[Tina m Garcia]: that.

226

[Robb]: are great, but no one remembers how

to get anywhere.

227

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm. They don't have to.

228

[Robb]: Most people don't even know people's

phone numbers anymore.

229

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm. That's true and I used

to know everybody's numbers.

230

[Robb]: Everybody's

231

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

232

[Robb]: number. Or everybody's number who was

super important in your life.

233

[Tina m Garcia]: No, I remembered every number.

It was crazy how I could do that.

234

[Robb]: I can't tell you what my kid's number

is.

235

[Tina m Garcia]: Really?

236

[Robb]: I have no idea.

237

[Tina m Garcia]: I don't talk to my kids so

I don't know hers either.

238

[Robb]: But I mean, I don't have to worry about

it. I have it

239

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.

240

[Robb]: as a favorite. I just press a button

and it calls him. Or presses

241

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

242

[Robb]: a button and it goes through our text

stream. So. So the important people in our

243

[Robb]: life, we really don't know their phone

numbers anymore because it's making us not

244

[Robb]: have to remember. So

245

[Tina m Garcia]: Right.

246

[Robb]: again, smartphones do make us a tad

dumber because we don't have to think anymore.

247

[Tina m Garcia]: not only that but i think for

kids they don't have to interact anymore they

248

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

249

[Tina m Garcia]: don't have to interact in person

they're great on a computer they will text

250

[Tina m Garcia]: all day long to whomever they're

talking to but they don't my nephew prime example

251

[Tina m Garcia]: he is on his phone all the

time he's got a girlfriend she takes up a lot

252

[Tina m Garcia]: of time and um they're constantly

going back and forth on their phone. I can't

253

[Tina m Garcia]: get him to talk to me. I can't

get him to get up and come to the dinner table

254

[Tina m Garcia]: when it's time to eat. Like

it's hard and I always tell him, put your phone

255

[Tina m Garcia]: down and talk to me. Like,

256

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

257

[Tina m Garcia]: let's get together. I wanna

know more about you. And it's so hard. And

258

[Tina m Garcia]: my brother allows it. You know,

he's a teenager. My brother's not gonna say

259

[Tina m Garcia]: too much. He's 17, but. They

he doesn't know how to interact. Our family

260

[Tina m Garcia]: is a bunch of huggers and kissers.

And, and I always say they give me their head,

261

[Tina m Garcia]: like they just put their head

into my shoulder and, and I'm supposed to hug

262

[Tina m Garcia]: them sort of, cause they don't

get close enough

263

[Robb]: Right.

264

[Tina m Garcia]: and, and that's their way of

saying hi. And I'm like, you can't even hug

265

[Tina m Garcia]: me. Come on

266

[Robb]: Right.

267

[Tina m Garcia]: now. But I see the kids are

like that all the way around. Like it's very

268

[Tina m Garcia]: hard for kids to open up and

be able to connect with their people because.

269

[Tina m Garcia]: They don't have to do it anymore.

270

[Robb]: Yeah, I agree with that. I think it's

a weird thing. My kid is a little different

271

[Robb]: for a lot of different reasons, but

like he grew up in a wrestling locker room.

272

[Robb]: So

273

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

274

[Robb]: wrestlers shake hands and hug each other.

So like my kid

275

[Tina m Garcia]: Right.

276

[Robb]: has been doing that for years. So he

kind of continued that trend with his friends

277

[Robb]: when we lived in Camarillo. So when

he sees them now, he like shakes hands with

278

[Robb]: them and brings them in and like they

all hug each other. And I do the same. And

279

[Robb]: it's funny, my friend who lives here,

down the street, her son is a big human being.

280

[Robb]: He's a very large,

281

[Tina m Garcia]: Hmm

282

[Robb]: he'll be 21, so he's almost a man, or

is a man. He's very quiet. He talks with my

283

[Robb]: kid. When we're together, I make him

try to talk. And he's a good kid, and he really

284

[Robb]: is. He has had some issues. but thankfully

he's cleared all those up and he's kind of

285

[Robb]: going in a right direction. But you're

right, the communication skills are so odd

286

[Robb]: because his mom can communicate. She's

a little quiet at some times, but can generally

287

[Robb]: talk. But when the kids get together,

they talk. So it's kind of this weird thing

288

[Robb]: where communicating with adults is just

a whole. other issue as well, and mostly with

289

[Robb]: that generation, because they're used

to being on a typewriter and

290

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

291

[Robb]: texting. So when I text my friend's

kid, he's all up for brrrrr, he'll text me

292

[Robb]: back and tell me what's going on. I

did have him call me the other day, because

293

[Robb]: he was going to go do something, and

I said, hey, when you find out the news, give

294

[Robb]: me a call back. And he called me, gave

me the news and everything. So... I just hope

295

[Robb]: that this generation understands that

they're limiting themselves to having very

296

[Robb]: good communication skills.

297

[Tina m Garcia]: And human contact. Human contact,

like I don't understand why. All these kids,

298

[Tina m Garcia]: this is what I hear now. Oh,

that's my friend. Well, yeah, I never met your

299

[Tina m Garcia]: friend. Where do they live?

Like, let's go, we'll go to the movies with

300

[Tina m Garcia]: them. Oh, they

301

[Robb]: Oh, yeah.

302

[Tina m Garcia]: live in another state. They're

not your friend. You never met them.

303

[Robb]: Right.

304

[Tina m Garcia]: You don't have any, you're

just talking to some crazy person on the other

305

[Tina m Garcia]: line. You don't even know who

they are.

306

[Robb]: They're

307

[Tina m Garcia]: Like.

308

[Robb]: a colleague.

309

[Tina m Garcia]: There's something, I don't

even know what you would call it, but I think

310

[Tina m Garcia]: about that all the time going,

you don't even know who you're talking to,

311

[Robb]: I

312

[Tina m Garcia]: what

313

[Robb]: mean,

314

[Tina m Garcia]: the hell?

315

[Robb]: yes and no. I think with video games,

a lot of these kids have cameras, headphones,

316

[Robb]: they talk to each other every day. I'll

go into my kid's room and there's a thing called

317

[Robb]: Discord, which is kind of like a, think

of a modern chat room is

318

[Tina m Garcia]: Okay.

319

[Robb]: what I think it is, is the best way

of explaining it. But in some of these, they

320

[Robb]: have cameras and they're hanging out

with each other. he'll have like five to eight

321

[Robb]: cameras with people that are talking

with him all the time. And he sees them and

322

[Robb]: talks to them just like we do when we

do the show. So you're right, I don't think

323

[Robb]: that they're friends on the level that

we had friends,

324

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

325

[Robb]: because we had friends that we would

go out and hit the pavement with and skateboard

326

[Robb]: with.

327

[Tina m Garcia]: teepee houses and... you

328

[Robb]: Yeah, whatever

329

[Tina m Garcia]: know...

330

[Robb]: it is, yeah, whatever nonsense we were

doing. We didn't have a phone strapped to us

331

[Robb]: to make

332

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah,

333

[Robb]: us.

334

[Tina m Garcia]: we had to get on our bikes,

ride down

335

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

336

[Tina m Garcia]: to wherever our friends lived,

or get on our skateboards or,

337

[Robb]: Yeah.

338

[Tina m Garcia]: you know, we would show up,

my brother's friends would show up so stinking

339

[Tina m Garcia]: early because if you didn't

get in early, like you may

340

[Robb]: Oh yeah.

341

[Tina m Garcia]: not see anybody all day. You

know what I mean? It was,

342

[Robb]: Yeah.

343

[Tina m Garcia]: we were

344

[Robb]: You might,

345

[Tina m Garcia]: all gone.

346

[Robb]: well because, yeah, because once he

left, there was

347

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah,

348

[Robb]: no calling.

349

[Tina m Garcia]: yeah, right.

350

[Robb]: There wasn't.

351

[Tina m Garcia]: Oh my gosh, or you get a busy

signal and

352

[Robb]: Ah, yeah.

353

[Tina m Garcia]: for hours, like who in the

hell's on the phone for hours that we can't

354

[Tina m Garcia]: get through? Yeah.

355

[Robb]: Yep. So, and again, that's the double-edged

sword of what a cell phone is now.

356

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

357

[Robb]: Look, they're definitely great for getting

a message to somebody quickly when you really

358

[Robb]: need to. It's

359

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

360

[Robb]: an amazing thing. The text message has

definitely changed how we do things. You know,

361

[Robb]: and that was a government thing. Did

you know that the text message was well before

362

[Robb]: it came out on... a modern cell phone

for us in the public, the government had been

363

[Robb]: doing it for years. Yeah, so,

364

[Tina m Garcia]: Hmm.

365

[Robb]: yeah,

366

[Tina m Garcia]: Didn't know that.

367

[Robb]: and obviously they found a way to have

a network that would do it. But, so I like

368

[Robb]: that part about it. If I wanna text

my friend down the street, I can text her.

369

[Robb]: If I wanna text you and say, hey, this

is what I wanna do for the show, it's instantaneous.

370

[Tina m Garcia]: And we check in all the time.

371

[Robb]: Yeah,

372

[Tina m Garcia]: There's no rhyme or reason

to it.

373

[Robb]: right, and it's great because we might

come up with some oddball idea

374

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

375

[Robb]: and we can throw it into our, into our

phone notes because that's another thing that

376

[Robb]: is great. So you're right, like cameras

are amazing because you can catch something

377

[Robb]: that, you know, you might not have been

able to before. But here's the flip side to

378

[Robb]: that as well. You know, go to a concert

now and how many people are holding up their

379

[Robb]: cell phone instead of watching

380

[Tina m Garcia]: Oh,

381

[Robb]: the show.

382

[Tina m Garcia]: yeah, I'm sick of that. Cause

then I can't see around them cause they

383

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

384

[Tina m Garcia]: all got their hands up with

their cell phones. Yeah, I don't, I don't.

385

[Tina m Garcia]: And who wants to hear the song

or hear the band in that quality? That's what

386

[Tina m Garcia]: I'm like, why are you doing

that? Like take

387

[Robb]: I

388

[Tina m Garcia]: your

389

[Robb]: just.

390

[Tina m Garcia]: pictures, do what you gotta

do, but listen to the music, don't try to record

391

[Tina m Garcia]: it.

392

[Robb]: I just think you're missing the point

of a live show.

393

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm.

394

[Robb]: The whole point of a live show is that

you were there watching

395

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

396

[Robb]: and interacting with the band or whatever.

And look, maybe that's just the old Foggy and

397

[Robb]: me and I'm like, you know, but I just

think that we're missing out on things by trying

398

[Robb]: to catch the things we think we're missing

out on. So.

399

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm. You know what drives

me crazy? A couple weeks ago I had a client

400

[Tina m Garcia]: bring her her son in and her

son's about a year year and a couple months

401

[Tina m Garcia]: old I don't know and she brought

in the iPad with him like he's not even talking

402

[Tina m Garcia]: really yet and He was on that

iPad Almost the whole time That I was doing

403

[Tina m Garcia]: her hair. She's got a two and

a half hour appointment and that's that's conservative

404

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

405

[Tina m Garcia]: And she just sits him in there

and thinks that he's going to be okay for two

406

[Tina m Garcia]: and a half hours. Like she'll

give him some snacks, which are crappy. Like

407

[Tina m Garcia]: she's in the people don't feed

their kids good snacks anymore that I've seen

408

[Tina m Garcia]: lately. And I know they do,

but I'm just saying what I've seen lately,

409

[Tina m Garcia]: giving a kid a bag of Cheetos

and his tablet so that he can watch whatever

410

[Tina m Garcia]: he wants. It drove me crazy.

So every time I wasn't doing her hair, I picked

411

[Tina m Garcia]: him up and I was talking to

him and playing with them and rough housing.

412

[Tina m Garcia]: And. and doing everything and

she said, well, don't do that. Cause he won't

413

[Tina m Garcia]: want to get back in his stroller.

I'm like, that's the point.

414

[Robb]: Right.

415

[Tina m Garcia]: You don't want this kid to

want to be alone. You want him to be with people.

416

[Tina m Garcia]: You want him to, to socialize.

And I took him outside. I did all kinds of

417

[Tina m Garcia]: things with him. She said,

I, she said, I spoiled the hell out of them,

418

[Tina m Garcia]: but, and I didn't, I interacted

with them, which is what you're supposed to

419

[Tina m Garcia]: do. Like read to your child,

talk to your child, sing. There's even commercials

420

[Tina m Garcia]: about it. Like.

421

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

422

[Tina m Garcia]: Why do you think that it's

okay for this electronic device to do all that?

423

[Tina m Garcia]: That's your greatest gift you're

losing by not being a part of your child at

424

[Tina m Garcia]: that age too. It's

425

[Robb]: Yeah.

426

[Tina m Garcia]: insane that people do that.

427

[Robb]: Well, it's the electric babysitter.

428

[Tina m Garcia]: I hate it. I hate

429

[Robb]: Yeah.

430

[Tina m Garcia]: it. Cause I'm the one that

likes to play games and act foolish and, and

431

[Tina m Garcia]: hang out. And, you know, I

don't know when, when kids are around, I find

432

[Tina m Garcia]: myself on the floor with them,

you know, doing wrestling and, and being, you

433

[Tina m Garcia]: know, the human contact that

kids need. That's like one of my specialties.

434

[Tina m Garcia]: I love when you get it, like

a little kid that's a little pain in the ass.

435

[Tina m Garcia]: And it's because he's craving

attention, you know, so you run them, you play

436

[Tina m Garcia]: with them. You. You do whatever

you got to do, but at the end, like you've

437

[Tina m Garcia]: got a good kid, cause he'll

listen to you and respect you. And he wants

438

[Tina m Garcia]: to do whatever it is you're

doing. So you have all the control you need,

439

[Tina m Garcia]: but I don't think people really

think that.

440

[Robb]: No, well, because it's much easier to

hand them a phone.

441

[Tina m Garcia]: That's

442

[Robb]: Or,

443

[Tina m Garcia]: not any more fun.

444

[Robb]: no, well, it's not, but it's no difference

than us sitting at a table and everyone's on

445

[Robb]: their phones.

446

[Tina m Garcia]: You know, my friends, they're

not big on that though. I mean,

447

[Robb]: No,

448

[Tina m Garcia]: even

449

[Robb]: but...

450

[Tina m Garcia]: when you and I get together,

we may pick up our phone once, check it real

451

[Tina m Garcia]: quick, put it down, and then

we're talking.

452

[Robb]: Sure, but

453

[Tina m Garcia]: I

454

[Robb]: I

455

[Tina m Garcia]: kinda

456

[Robb]: think

457

[Tina m Garcia]: did that with all my friends.

458

[Robb]: that I do as well. I don't need to be

on my phone. My phone is, if I'm with people,

459

[Robb]: it's a way to get in contact with people

for whatever reason is necessary at the time.

460

[Robb]: But I mean, I see people, again, couples,

that are out to dinner, sitting across from

461

[Robb]: each other, on their phone. Like

462

[Tina m Garcia]: and they

463

[Robb]: doing...

464

[Tina m Garcia]: look miserable.

465

[Robb]: Yeah, doing things on their phone, like

466

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

467

[Robb]: either on a game or checking social

media. Or it's like, no, I can't do that. I

468

[Robb]: need attention. If I'm there, you better

be attentive. And vice versa, if I'm not being

469

[Robb]: attentive, say something. Let's not

dehumanize each other anymore. Because

470

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

471

[Robb]: that's what the cell phone is doing.

And it's doing it to... Relationships, families,

472

[Robb]: it's even weirder, because we talked

about it before where young kids don't know

473

[Robb]: their grandparents. Because when grandpa

and grandma come over to visit their children,

474

[Robb]: the grandchildren are just in the corner

on their phone. I have to, and look, my son

475

[Robb]: was just as guilty. I tell him, get

off your phone. Like, communicate, because

476

[Robb]: your grandparents won't be here very

long. At some point, they're gonna be gone.

477

[Robb]: So you have to... you have to be in

the conversation.

478

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

479

[Robb]: And I think that's gonna help along

the way when you're out on a date and you have

480

[Robb]: to be in the conversation. You can't

be on your phone if you're going on a date.

481

[Robb]: To me, that would be the, as I will

check out, I'll be like, okay, well, let's

482

[Robb]: finish eating so I can go home. Because

if you're not talking with me, it's gonna be

483

[Robb]: bad. I'm just too talkative now.

484

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah. And I've always been

a talker. I force people to talk to me anyway.

485

[Tina m Garcia]: So I'm like, please put your

phones down.

486

[Robb]: Beer.

487

[Tina m Garcia]: I want to know you not whatever

is going on in your phone. I want to know you,

488

[Tina m Garcia]: you know, let's let's shoot

the shit. Let's have some fun. Let's say I

489

[Tina m Garcia]: don't care if you say inappropriate

things the whole time. I don't care. I'm as

490

[Tina m Garcia]: a matter of fact, I prefer

it. So

491

[Robb]: Yeah, me too.

492

[Tina m Garcia]: You know, if you got a dirty

joke, I want to hear it. If you've got like,

493

[Tina m Garcia]: you know, something going on

in your life, I want to know about it, if you're

494

[Tina m Garcia]: having problems, tell me

495

[Robb]: Right.

496

[Tina m Garcia]: there, there never needs to

be a reason why we shouldn't open up to people

497

[Tina m Garcia]: that we're close to. And it's

even with my niece and nephew. My dad says

498

[Tina m Garcia]: all the time, he goes, I just

want to love my kids and my grandkids. And

499

[Tina m Garcia]: it's so hard to get them to

talk to me. It's so hard to get any emotion

500

[Tina m Garcia]: or any. any affection out of

them. He goes, you guys were not like that.

501

[Tina m Garcia]: And I said, yeah, but we were

also taught when you walk into a house, you

502

[Tina m Garcia]: gotta hug and kiss everybody.

So start on whichever side, go clear around

503

[Tina m Garcia]: the room, say hi to everybody.

And

504

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

505

[Tina m Garcia]: then you could do whatever

the hell you wanted. You could go outside and

506

[Tina m Garcia]: play with your cousins. You

could go in the room, play your video games,

507

[Tina m Garcia]: do whatever you gotta do, but

you have to say hello. And then another goodbye.

508

[Tina m Garcia]: We called it the Garcia goodbye

because it took like an hour to get through

509

[Tina m Garcia]: everybody because we don't

have a small family. And you know, and then

510

[Tina m Garcia]: sometimes the only time that

you're talking to somebody is when you're saying

511

[Tina m Garcia]: hello or goodbye. So

512

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

513

[Tina m Garcia]: that could take forever. But

you know what the thing is, is because of that

514

[Tina m Garcia]: now that my mom is gone, I'm

the one that everybody calls for everything.

515

[Tina m Garcia]: So it worked, you know, because

I am close to people. They call me, they talk

516

[Tina m Garcia]: to me, they they interact with

me and I force the kids. So the kids now do

517

[Tina m Garcia]: it with me too, as much as.

is I make them, but I still am like, no, we're

518

[Tina m Garcia]: not doing this. Get up and

give me a hug. Like this, what if this is the

519

[Tina m Garcia]: last time I ever get to hug

you? What if

520

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

521

[Tina m Garcia]: I get in a car accident and

I'm not here anymore? Well, same thing with

522

[Tina m Garcia]: you, you know, like, don't

you want the last thing to be something good

523

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

524

[Tina m Garcia]: and to know that you're loved?

525

[Robb]: For sure.

526

[Tina m Garcia]: I, I tell my clients, I tell

my friends, I tell people all the time because.

527

[Tina m Garcia]: It really is bothering me.

And, and I would say in the beginning when.

528

[Tina m Garcia]: when I had my daughter and

phones got to the point where they were, you

529

[Tina m Garcia]: know, where we were on our,

our text messages and everything all the time.

530

[Tina m Garcia]: I, I was even guilty of doing

this at times, but I also spent a lot of time

531

[Tina m Garcia]: with my kid. I put her on the

counter and made her read to me every night,

532

[Tina m Garcia]: you know, while I was

533

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

534

[Tina m Garcia]: making dinner, I played games

with the kids. I played games with the kids

535

[Tina m Garcia]: till they play them just like

me. We did it so much. So I, I, I get how easy

536

[Tina m Garcia]: it is to

537

[Tina m Garcia]: let something else do the work

so that you could get what you need to get

538

[Tina m Garcia]: done,

539

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

540

[Tina m Garcia]: but at the same time it's not

work. You're missing opportunities to be

541

[Robb]: Sure,

542

[Tina m Garcia]: close.

543

[Robb]: yeah, and I think that's the same along

the bend of anytime you're on your phone. Like

544

[Robb]: I said, if

545

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

546

[Robb]: you're with your friends out, the last

thing you should do is be on your phone. The

547

[Robb]: last thing. I mean, I love the idea

of stacking the phones on the table. We're

548

[Robb]: here to talk, we're here to communicate,

we're here to see each other. And it's no different

549

[Robb]: than if you're in the same living room.

If you're in the same living room with your

550

[Robb]: mate and you're both on a phone and

sitting far away from each other, there's a

551

[Robb]: huge problem, huge problem to me. That

you should, that should be the last thing you

552

[Robb]: should ever do. And I mean the very,

very last. You should be both napping on the

553

[Robb]: couch away from each other before you

are on a phone with each other, because it

554

[Robb]: just leads to nonsense and it leads

to bad things happening.

555

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

556

[Robb]: And the very small thing of communication.

Look, we mostly all sleep with a phone at our

557

[Robb]: bedside. because most of us use it for

an alarm.

558

[Tina m Garcia]: We use it for everything.

559

[Robb]: But if you're getting in bed together

and you guys are on your phone's issue, that

560

[Robb]: is, there's a massive red flag being

waved. And you should understand that if you're

561

[Robb]: the one on the phone, you're just as

bad. And I don't even care if it's. not doing

562

[Robb]: anything bad or malicious, like talking

with people you're not supposed to, if you're

563

[Robb]: just on your phone, that's a bad thing.

It's like, I learned, I forgot what I was watching,

564

[Robb]: but they talked about not having a TV

in your bedroom if you're

565

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah,

566

[Robb]: mates.

567

[Tina m Garcia]: we didn't have one in our bedroom.

568

[Robb]: You should never have one. The TV should

be for the living room, and when you go to

569

[Robb]: bed, it should be about being together.

And I think it's a great idea. And I understand

570

[Robb]: why people have them. I don't think

there's anything wrong with it if you are consistent.

571

[Robb]: So you turn it on in the morning to

watch the news and that's it. If you're gonna

572

[Robb]: watch a show, you watch in the living

room and you go in your room and you go to

573

[Robb]: sleep. And the

574

[Tina m Garcia]: Or

575

[Robb]: same

576

[Tina m Garcia]: you have

577

[Robb]: goes

578

[Tina m Garcia]: sex.

579

[Robb]: for, yeah. Or,

580

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.

581

[Robb]: I mean, let's just

582

[Tina m Garcia]: Get

583

[Robb]: say

584

[Tina m Garcia]: close.

585

[Robb]: it's, yeah. Let's just say it's a sleeping

thing. You're both tired. It should be about

586

[Robb]: being intimate with each other without

having anything else around to get you out

587

[Robb]: of that. And that's why you shouldn't

have a TV in your room. So I don't have a TV

588

[Robb]: in my room now. And I live alone. I

just thought. Don't get used to that babysitter

589

[Robb]: for myself. So, and I do my best now

when I go to sleep, and I go to sleep early,

590

[Robb]: because I get up super early in the

morning. I walk in, I do whatever I need to

591

[Robb]: do, brush my teeth, check my phone the

last thing. I turn, if you haven't ever done

592

[Robb]: it, I put on Brown Noise, which is amazing.

I go to YouTube, there's a YouTube channel

593

[Robb]: for Brown Noise. I turn that bitch up

and. Out I go. I

594

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm.

595

[Robb]: try not to lay in bed and be on my phone

because it doesn't help you. So it's no different

596

[Robb]: if you're doing it alone or if you're

with friends or with family. We need to find

597

[Robb]: a way to stop this before it ruins society

outright. And I wish I had an answer for how

598

[Robb]: to do it because it's an electric leash,

right? We all have them now. Whether you're

599

[Robb]: 11 or you're... 70.

600

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

601

[Robb]: Everyone has one of these things in

their hands. So I don't know. I just think

602

[Robb]: that from a family standpoint, please

stop using them as babysitters. I understand

603

[Robb]: why you do it, because it definitely,

if you have a kid who's crying or crazy, it's

604

[Robb]: much easier to throw an iPad in front

of them to calm them down. But I think you're

605

[Robb]: just hurting yourself because they're

always, it's a pacifier. They're always gonna

606

[Robb]: want the pacifier. From

607

[Tina m Garcia]: And then

608

[Robb]: a cup.

609

[Tina m Garcia]: they don't really want you.

610

[Robb]: Yeah, because

611

[Tina m Garcia]: You know what I mean?

612

[Robb]: you're not

613

[Tina m Garcia]: They're

614

[Robb]: as fun.

615

[Tina m Garcia]: like, I don't need this. Just

give me my game and I'm good.

616

[Robb]: Yeah, leave me

617

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.

618

[Robb]: alone. And then heaven forbid you gotta

take it away from him. Oh,

619

[Tina m Garcia]: Right?

620

[Robb]: oh dude, I've seen some crazy, crazy

monster fits.

621

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

622

[Robb]: And just like, oh, so, you know, thankfully,

I mean, my kid, we didn't have iPads. He ended

623

[Robb]: up getting my phone for some things,

but I would take it away. And he was pretty

624

[Robb]: good. He has his own phone and he's

had it for a long time. And he'll be on it

625

[Robb]: when we're in the living room together,

but if we're watching something, I try to tell

626

[Robb]: him, look, if you don't wanna be out

here, I thought he'll wanna watch something

627

[Robb]: with me. Are you watching or are you

on your phone? I'll call him out. And I think

628

[Tina m Garcia]: Even

629

[Robb]: that,

630

[Tina m Garcia]: now?

631

[Robb]: oh yeah,

632

[Tina m Garcia]: Hmm.

633

[Robb]: mostly if it was something he wanted

to watch, like we'll watch

634

[Tina m Garcia]: Mmm.

635

[Robb]: anime together. He'll come out and go,

hey, you wanna watch the show it's on today?

636

[Robb]: Yeah, cool. And I'll hear him in the

corner. I'm like, dude, I thought you wanted

637

[Robb]: to watch this. Like, make up your mind.

Because if you don't, we'll go back and do

638

[Robb]: it another time.

639

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

640

[Robb]: So, if I'm watching something and he's

in the corner, I won't say anything, that's

641

[Robb]: on him. But if it was something that

we wanted to do together, like, this is the

642

[Robb]: part that when people do things together,

that's the whole point. And again, that's where

643

[Robb]: it kinda leads back to like, dating

or. or being in a couple and being on your

644

[Robb]: phone in front of each other. To me,

that's just a tell sign that you're not right

645

[Robb]: for each other. You should be able to

646

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

647

[Robb]: communicate and put your phone down.

The only time you should bring your phone up

648

[Robb]: is to like, hey, did you see this? And

you can show somebody or this is what happened

649

[Robb]: today and then put it right back down

and continue that conversation.

650

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

651

[Robb]: A phone can be a set piece where you're

bringing it in to say, hey, this is what I

652

[Robb]: saw, this is what the picture was. and

then put it back down and continue. I mean,

653

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm

654

[Robb]: like I said, when I went to dinner not

too long ago, my friend was showing me pictures

655

[Robb]: of grandchildren, showed me boop, boop,

boop, boop, boop, put it down. And the rest

656

[Robb]: of the conversation we had was conversation.

So it's important. And mostly going forward,

657

[Robb]: because since we're in the dating market,

those are things that I look at now. that to

658

[Robb]: me are just big flags. I don't wanna

sit at a table and watch you on your phone.

659

[Robb]: I could be at home. It's just easier

for me.

660

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

661

[Robb]: Or if this isn't going right, it's okay

to say, I gotta go. If you're not interested,

662

[Tina m Garcia]: I agree.

663

[Robb]: awesome. There's net up or shut up.

You gotta either get out or not. Don't hang

664

[Robb]: out here because you think you have

to. And... And then on the flip side, if you're

665

[Robb]: in a relationship or a marriage, for

fuck's sake, don't be on your phone all the

666

[Robb]: time. Whether

667

[Tina m Garcia]: Right?

668

[Robb]: it's at home or in a restaurant or when

you're out with your friends, it's the kiss

669

[Robb]: of death. It's nothing but problems

and will drive a huge stake in between your

670

[Robb]: partner and yourself.

671

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm. I don't even watch

TV anymore. I don't know I Didn't I I used

672

[Tina m Garcia]: to like to watch TV in my bedroom

like growing up We all had TVs like all four

673

[Tina m Garcia]: of us had TVs in different

rooms and we would all sit in there and be

674

[Tina m Garcia]: alone and do Whatever we did,

but we always interacted our house was super

675

[Tina m Garcia]: busy. And then when I got with

my ex He was like no TVs in the room. I'm like

676

[Tina m Garcia]: what how do you even how do

you survive that and and We didn't have one

677

[Tina m Garcia]: for, well, I think we got one

the last couple years of our marriage in the

678

[Tina m Garcia]: room. And then it just never

got turned on unless it was during the day

679

[Tina m Garcia]: when he was gone and I was

folding clothes. I might turn on something

680

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

681

[Tina m Garcia]: to watch. And that was it.

And so then when I moved in with my dad, because

682

[Tina m Garcia]: we were getting divorced, it

was during COVID. And everything on the news

683

[Tina m Garcia]: was gloom and doom. So I completely

quit watching TV.

684

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

685

[Tina m Garcia]: I will at night if I'm by myself

or if my cousin comes over and we're looking

686

[Tina m Garcia]: at a show together, we're watching

it together, I'll turn it on then. But for

687

[Tina m Garcia]: the most part, now when I have

a TV in my bedroom, because I live with my

688

[Tina m Garcia]: dad, and I turn it on and I

don't even get to the part where I pick what

689

[Tina m Garcia]: I'm going to watch and I fall

asleep. I just don't have any desire to.

690

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

691

[Tina m Garcia]: to even look at anything, I

think, because we're so, there's so much during

692

[Tina m Garcia]: the day, I have to answer text

messages, um, and phone calls for work. And,

693

[Tina m Garcia]: and, you know, then there's

everybody I know, and then there's family obligations

694

[Tina m Garcia]: and, and my phone is on all

the time. So by the time the end of the day

695

[Tina m Garcia]: comes, I'm like, I just want

to read, I'm going to put this down. I'm going

696

[Tina m Garcia]: to, I'll turn on the music

on it and then I'll read, I'll read my book

697

[Tina m Garcia]: until, you know, I'm done.

And then I go to sleep. It's. It's crazy how

698

[Tina m Garcia]: I've, I've changed that. Cause

I, I would say I used to be so involved. Like

699

[Tina m Garcia]: I remember what the day MTV

came, came on. Like I was watching TV. We were

700

[Tina m Garcia]: watching that.

701

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

702

[Tina m Garcia]: We had snacks. We were all

together. The friends were all together. We

703

[Tina m Garcia]: watched that together. And

it was cool because we, we communicated the

704

[Tina m Garcia]: whole time. Oh, did you see

that? Oh, that's a good, you know, we had so

705

[Tina m Garcia]: much to say, but now when we

watch TV together, so there's none of that

706

[Tina m Garcia]: going on. There's no interaction.

Everybody's just quiet and they'll be on their

707

[Tina m Garcia]: phone, do whatever. And it's

just quiet time where you're allowed to have

708

[Tina m Garcia]: free time. And I, I don't like

that.

709

[Robb]: Right.

710

[Tina m Garcia]: I liked it better when we were

interacting and I'm glad that I put everything

711

[Tina m Garcia]: down. Like the social media

gets put down the, the, the outside activities.

712

[Tina m Garcia]: And I always tell people, if

you want more attention than you're getting

713

[Tina m Garcia]: from me on the phone. Let's

go to lunch. Let's

714

[Robb]: Right.

715

[Tina m Garcia]: go

716

[Robb]: Let's

717

[Tina m Garcia]: hang

718

[Robb]: hang

719

[Tina m Garcia]: out.

720

[Robb]: out.

721

[Tina m Garcia]: But don't get pissed off at

me because I don't wanna be on my phone all

722

[Tina m Garcia]: day.

723

[Robb]: Right.

724

[Tina m Garcia]: And I'm on it a lot, so.

725

[Robb]: It's just so much interaction. There's

726

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm

727

[Robb]: so much interaction. So, and again,

whether you're again at work, like for me,

728

[Robb]: I can be on my phone, but my phone rings

all day at work, so

729

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

730

[Robb]: I'm always answering the phone. So it's

kind of in between. And there's just so much

731

[Robb]: things. Like I watch TV, and I obviously,

like I watch sports, I watch hockey. So I can

732

[Robb]: sit for three hours and watch hockey,

but. Most of the time I'll watch whatever the

733

[Robb]: show is I'm watching and then just kinda

sit in the background.

734

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

735

[Robb]: There is something about shutting off.

I think when it comes to sleep, social media

736

[Robb]: has fucked up people's sleeping pattern

737

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

738

[Robb]: because you're looking at this screen

and if you're not changing the blue light setting

739

[Robb]: to where it gets kinda brown at a certain

hour, that blue light is. horrible for us and

740

[Robb]: as humans to take in all this blue light

and go to sleep.

741

[Tina m Garcia]: Well, it wakes you up. It causes

your body to

742

[Robb]: Yeah, to actually

743

[Tina m Garcia]: wake up.

744

[Robb]: wake

745

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

746

[Robb]: up. So when we're doing this, we're

fucking that part up. So you're not sleeping

747

[Robb]: well. You're not talking with people

anymore. You're not communicating with the

748

[Robb]: family that's in the same house. You're

not talking to your mate that's on the same

749

[Robb]: couch. What are we doing? We're slowly

or now vastly, changing,

750

[Tina m Garcia]: alienating ourselves from.

751

[Robb]: yeah, changing how we do things as human

beings.

752

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

753

[Robb]: So I don't know. I think that there's

a way to curve it. If you're getting into a

754

[Robb]: relationship, I think there has to be

a boundary and it should be talked about. It's

755

[Robb]: no different than talking about your

political beliefs or religious beliefs or whatever

756

[Robb]: these things are that you. end up talking

about, phone should be part of that. It should

757

[Robb]: be like, look, I understand that we

have phones, but when we're together, we need

758

[Robb]: to find a way to be together. Don't

disappear into a phone, because if you disappear

759

[Robb]: into a phone, and with social media

the way it is, you're looking, it's too easy

760

[Robb]: to escape to someone else on social

media. So you get wound up in that. From the

761

[Robb]: family standpoint, It's just rules of

the house. I think you,

762

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm

763

[Robb]: as a parent, need to go, this is how

much time you get on that iPad. You don't,

764

[Robb]: you know, you turn in your phone at

the end of the day. No one wants to do that

765

[Robb]: shit because you think it's causing

problems or rifts between you and your children.

766

[Robb]: That's just the way it is. I have a

friend of mine who has three kids in the house

767

[Robb]: and she has them locked down. They turn

in their iPad. Every day. And it's timed. When

768

[Robb]: they get on, you have an hour, she takes

that shit away after an hour. Because she wants

769

[Robb]: them to interact as kids. Like go be

a kid.

770

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

771

[Robb]: I mean, they play outside. So like to

me, that's good. It's okay to do that. You're

772

[Robb]: not alienating your kid from being part

of society. Part, you know, because I've heard

773

[Robb]: that part too. Oh, I. You know, I need

my phone so I can talk to my friends. Nope.

774

[Robb]: That's not how it works.

775

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah,

776

[Robb]: You

777

[Tina m Garcia]: tell

778

[Robb]: know.

779

[Tina m Garcia]: your friends to come over.

780

[Robb]: Yeah.

781

[Tina m Garcia]: Tell your friends to come over.

Like, let's go get in the pool together. Let's

782

[Tina m Garcia]: go, you know, see a movie together.

783

[Robb]: Let's do

784

[Tina m Garcia]: Spend

785

[Robb]: something.

786

[Tina m Garcia]: time.

787

[Robb]: And I think it can be done. We're in

a weird spot for sure because phones aren't

788

[Robb]: going away. They're just, they're gonna

be in more hands and more hands and more hands.

789

[Robb]: Unfortunately, I think it's going to

really, really hurt society. There's

790

[Tina m Garcia]: I think

791

[Robb]: a really,

792

[Tina m Garcia]: it already has.

793

[Robb]: there's a really good... documentary

on Netflix about social media. If you haven't

794

[Robb]: seen it, it's amazing. I'm gonna try

to get the, it's called The Social Dilemma.

795

[Robb]: If you

796

[Tina m Garcia]: Hmm.

797

[Robb]: have not seen it, you must.

798

[Tina m Garcia]: I probably won't, but...

799

[Robb]: You should, I think it'll be good for

the show. It'll be good for commentary, because

800

[Robb]: I think once you see it, you're gonna

go, holy shit. They're working us. Like, they

801

[Robb]: have programmers on it that talk about

how they, it does certain things to keep you

802

[Robb]: on longer. It, the algorithms are meant

for you to stay on as long as you can.

803

[Tina m Garcia]: You're kidding.

804

[Robb]: No, my friend down the street told me

to watch it and I was, pardon the word, flabbergasted.

805

[Robb]: Like, it was like a punch in the dick.

You're just like, oh shit, we're getting worked.

806

[Robb]: It's meant to keep us on, it's meant

to make us angry. It's meant to do certain

807

[Robb]: things. And these are from people who

worked for Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. These

808

[Robb]: are people who were programmers. It's

a great, great documentary on how evil social

809

[Robb]: media is. And your kids should watch

it. Your grandkids should watch it. Your nieces

810

[Robb]: and nephews should all watch. To see

that they're just getting played. And we all,

811

[Robb]: I mean, and so are adults. Don't get

me wrong. We're all being played. It's a very

812

[Robb]: scary, scary thing. Check it out on

Netflix. It's called The Social Dilemma. Because

813

[Tina m Garcia]: Hmm.

814

[Robb]: I think you'll see that they want us

to have a phone in our hand. Because that's

815

[Robb]: how most of us get the news now, which

is a whole other scary part. We don't

816

[Tina m Garcia]: and

817

[Robb]: even

818

[Tina m Garcia]: there's

819

[Robb]: have to

820

[Tina m Garcia]: so

821

[Robb]: watch.

822

[Tina m Garcia]: much advertisement on it, which

823

[Robb]: Oh yeah, oh

824

[Tina m Garcia]: in the

825

[Robb]: yeah.

826

[Tina m Garcia]: beginning there wasn't as much.

827

[Robb]: No,

828

[Tina m Garcia]: And now it's like, I don't

829

[Robb]: that's all.

830

[Tina m Garcia]: wanna see this shit. I keep

blocking it. I block all of it. Like,

831

[Robb]: Yeah, that's all

832

[Tina m Garcia]: why

833

[Robb]: it's about

834

[Tina m Garcia]: did you wanna

835

[Robb]: now.

836

[Tina m Garcia]: block it? I don't want it.

837

[Robb]: Yeah, that's all it's about now. It's

all

838

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

839

[Robb]: about making money.

840

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

841

[Robb]: And the longer they keep you on, the

more apt you are to buy something or see something.

842

[Robb]: So, and,

843

[Tina m Garcia]: You know what I,

844

[Robb]: mm-hmm,

845

[Tina m Garcia]: I'm sorry, go ahead.

846

[Robb]: now keep going.

847

[Tina m Garcia]: You know what I'm having a

problem with is people put on live videos and

848

[Tina m Garcia]: they'll tag me in them. And

I feel like I don't wanna be a voyeur. I don't

849

[Tina m Garcia]: wanna like, you know what I

mean? I don't know how to act. Am I supposed

850

[Tina m Garcia]: to say something? Am I just

supposed to watch? Like. I don't want everybody

851

[Tina m Garcia]: seeing our conversation if

852

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

853

[Tina m Garcia]: I say something to you like,

oh, you know, you're driving home from work.

854

[Tina m Garcia]: You know, if I say that, like

then somebody knows that I've talked to the

855

[Tina m Garcia]: person that I'm talking to,

I may know more than they do. And the jealousy

856

[Tina m Garcia]: factor with women is crazy.

I find that I have a hard time with that. I'm

857

[Tina m Garcia]: like, I look and then I get

off and then I'll just text them like, I don't

858

[Tina m Garcia]: know how to act. So

859

[Robb]: Right?

860

[Tina m Garcia]: I got off the live. shit. But

I don't like it. That's probably why

861

[Robb]: Yeah,

862

[Tina m Garcia]: I don't

863

[Robb]: it...

864

[Tina m Garcia]: know how to deal with it is

because it's not, it's foreign to me. I don't

865

[Tina m Garcia]: know how to

866

[Robb]: Yeah,

867

[Tina m Garcia]: act.

868

[Robb]: well because it's really not normal.

869

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

870

[Robb]: I mean, from the standpoint of how we

look at life.

871

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

872

[Robb]: That's why

873

[Tina m Garcia]: And

874

[Robb]: I was

875

[Tina m Garcia]: what

876

[Robb]: kind

877

[Tina m Garcia]: are

878

[Robb]: of.

879

[Tina m Garcia]: you saying in that live video

to me? Like if there's music on, what is that

880

[Robb]: Right.

881

[Tina m Garcia]: song? Is it supposed to mean

anything? Are you just sharing a song? Like

882

[Tina m Garcia]: set me up so I know what I'm

supposed to be thinking.

883

[Robb]: Right. Well, like I said, I think that

it's, we live in such a weird world now that

884

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

885

[Robb]: social media has just fucked us all

up. It's like I've said it a bazillion times,

886

[Robb]: it's the greatest worst thing ever and

the worst greatest thing ever.

887

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

888

[Robb]: It's brought people into our lives that

we wouldn't have got back together with them.

889

[Tina m Garcia]: and maybe

890

[Robb]: So,

891

[Tina m Garcia]: should not have.

892

[Robb]: I mean, yes

893

[Tina m Garcia]: You know, there's

894

[Robb]: and no.

895

[Tina m Garcia]: a reason that we don't see

people, you know, after

896

[Robb]: Yeah,

897

[Tina m Garcia]: we quit talking to them.

898

[Robb]: I mean, I think a lot of things has

to do with distance,

899

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

900

[Robb]: you know? But it's, so there's good

and bad in everything. It's like, look, they

901

[Robb]: bring back people, or people fade away.

You'll post something and then people that

902

[Robb]: you thought your friends will just disappear.

903

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

904

[Robb]: So, like I said, it's a good and bad

thing, but I think going forward in the world,

905

[Robb]: we have to understand that the phones

need to be slowed down from a personal standpoint,

906

[Robb]: we have to find a way to put them down

as much as we can to keep social relationships

907

[Robb]: together, to keep marriages together,

and to keep families together.

908

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

909

[Robb]: Try to find a way to, I mean, pardon

the easy one to say is, just put the phone

910

[Robb]: down. We have to do this as a society.

because there is a social dilemma. And the

911

[Robb]: social dilemma is we're becoming so

padlocked to something that's in our pocket

912

[Robb]: that we don't know how to not take it

out when we're bored. So I don't know, my thing

913

[Robb]: is just that put it away, find a way

not to do it, whether you're drawing, reading,

914

[Robb]: outside, walking, you know, find a way

to not be on those type of things. And when

915

[Robb]: you're with people, be with them.

916

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

917

[Robb]: It's pretty simple. I enjoy that. I

enjoy putting a phone down and having a conversation

918

[Robb]: with another human. There's nothing

better than that. I mean, you can FaceTime

919

[Robb]: all you want, but there's nothing better

than looking in the person's eyes when you're

920

[Robb]: talking to them.

921

[Tina m Garcia]: That's very true. But the FaceTime,

like my friends in El Paso, when they call

922

[Tina m Garcia]: me and they're on FaceTime,

I feel like I'm there. So

923

[Robb]: Sure.

924

[Tina m Garcia]: in that situation, I love it.

But if it's somebody that's right down the

925

[Tina m Garcia]: street, just come over, I don't

care if you're in your pajamas, come

926

[Robb]: Mm-hmm.

927

[Tina m Garcia]: over, come hang

928

[Robb]: Yeah.

929

[Tina m Garcia]: with me.

930

[Robb]: For people that are far, far away, yes,

931

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

932

[Robb]: FaceTime is amazing. It is. It's the

one way that you don't have to get on an airplane

933

[Robb]: to see somebody.

934

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

935

[Robb]: But if they are close, and to me, close

is two hours. Like if you can drive to see

936

[Robb]: someone and have a dinner or have a

breakfast and sit across the table and communicate

937

[Robb]: with them, do it every single time.

Because

938

[Tina m Garcia]: I agree.

939

[Robb]: those times are... They're priceless.

So.

940

[Tina m Garcia]: and you don't get them back,

that's for sure.

941

[Robb]: Nope. And you don't get time in your

own house back either. So if

942

[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.

943

[Robb]: you're in a relationship and these people

are on their phone in bed or they're on their

944

[Robb]: phone here or they're doing this, stop.

It's gonna be the death of your relationship.

945

[Robb]: And the trust issue in society now is

already shitty. You wanna make it worse, be

946

[Robb]: on your phone all the time.

947

[Tina m Garcia]: I agree.

948

[Robb]: can't, can't. All right, well, we have

done our due diligence on why

949

[Tina m Garcia]: Hehehe

950

[Robb]: you shouldn't have a fucking phone out

when you're around people.

951

[Tina m Garcia]: You almost went a whole episode

without saying that word,

952

[Robb]: I know,

953

[Tina m Garcia]: and here you go.

954

[Robb]: I know,

955

[Tina m Garcia]: It'll probably come out three

more times before we're done. Ha ha ha.

956

[Robb]: I, nah, no, I'm gonna do my best and

not say the F word before we get off, so.

957

[Tina m Garcia]: nice.

958

[Robb]: But yeah, it's a opinion show, so don't

get it twisted. Make sure you come back every

959

[Robb]: Wednesday, check out those cool social

medias that we talked about earlier, listen

960

[Robb]: to us on all the platforms, share this

show. Send it

961

[Tina m Garcia]: Please.

962

[Robb]: to everyone you know and say, at

963

[Tina m Garcia]: Yes.

964

[Robb]: least listen to this and see if you

like it. And if you do follow us, we're on

965

[Robb]: every Wednesday. Anything else you got

to say there, Tina?

966

[Tina m Garcia]: We're almost at our 100th episode.

967

[Robb]: I know we're inching towards that. I

think it's sometime

968

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.

969

[Robb]: in June, sometime in June. We'll have

to come up with a cool thing to talk about

970

[Tina m Garcia]: Who

971

[Robb]: on our.

972

[Tina m Garcia]: knew we'd be doing this over

a year and 100

973

[Robb]: I know.

974

[Tina m Garcia]: episodes like it's it's insane

975

[Robb]: Yeah, I think we're on like 91, I think

is

976

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.

977

[Robb]: where we're

978

[Tina m Garcia]: When

979

[Robb]: at right

980

[Tina m Garcia]: people

981

[Robb]: now.

982

[Tina m Garcia]: say, how's your podcast? I'm

like, we're almost to a hundred episodes. They're

983

[Tina m Garcia]: like, you haven't been doing

that that long. I'm like,

984

[Robb]: Yeah,

985

[Tina m Garcia]: but we have,

986

[Robb]: well

987

[Tina m Garcia]: we

988

[Robb]: we

989

[Tina m Garcia]: have.

990

[Robb]: have. I know it's crazy.

991

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah. I listened to a couple

of episodes too, by the way,

992

[Robb]: Sounds

993

[Tina m Garcia]: as

994

[Robb]: good.

995

[Tina m Garcia]: I was driving and, uh, and

I think we've gotten way better. I hadn't listened

996

[Tina m Garcia]: in so long

997

[Robb]: Hehehe

998

[Tina m Garcia]: since like the beginning. And

I was like, ah, we're, we're, we're in the

999

[Tina m Garcia]: groove now.

1000

[Robb]: where we

1001

[Tina m Garcia]: We

1002

[Robb]: are

1003

[Tina m Garcia]: got

1004

[Robb]: in

1005

[Tina m Garcia]: this.

1006

[Robb]: the groove.

1007

[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.

1008

[Robb]: Yes. So our, this episode is 93. 93.

So, all right. Well, until next week, I'm Rob

1009

[Robb]: O for my cohost Tina. As always, we'll

see you in a week. Bye Tina.

1010

[Tina m Garcia]: Bye!