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While Joanne Murphy is still off in St. Moritz (is she going to come back to us next week!?), Kelly O'Mara and Katie Zaferes take the reins. They talk all about the final Kona qualifiers, the first races with the new age-graded qualification system, and the latest race results — including the World Games duathlon title.
Then we chat with 2016 Olympic champion Gwen Jorgensen about her recent surgery, a return to training, balancing parenting with training (and with surgery recovery), her new scholarship and investment project, and her plans for the future. Lucky for triathlon fans, she's definitely got more races in her sights!
Katie and Kelly also dish on:
- Katie's return to work six weeks postpartum - yes, Europeans, that's fast!
- Kelly's upcoming event (not race!) at this weekend's Super Tri Chicago Triathlon. Come say hi if you're in town!
- The final list of Ironman World Championships qualifiers is out and it looks stacked. Plus, there are 19 athletes making their IM World Champs debut.
- And Kelly did the math on the first two races with the new age-group qualifying system.
- Would Katie race a duathlon mixed relay??
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Transcripts
All right, Feisties.
Speaker A:Welcome.
Speaker A:It's Kelly o', Meara.
Speaker A:I hear with Katie Zafaris.
Speaker A:Joanne is still missing.
Speaker A:She's in St. Moritz.
Speaker A:I feel like she's sending us pictures from her vacation.
Speaker B:Katie and I know, and I've never been to St. Lawrence, but I hear it's quite nice, so.
Speaker B:A little jealous.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:She promises she'll be back next week, but I'm.
Speaker A:I'm skeptical she's ever going to come back.
Speaker A:She's just off.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like the day before.
Speaker B:She's like, nah.
Speaker A:We also have you fully.
Speaker A:I was like, you don't have Josie on yours.
Speaker A:I saw a picture of you back at swim practice carrying Josie, too.
Speaker A:Does she just go with you everywhere now?
Speaker B:Pretty much.
Speaker B:She is now my companion, whether I'm wearing her.
Speaker B:But I also got.
Speaker B:So with Kimball, I never had, like, the stroller where you just click in.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:The car seat.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So I always had to transfer him.
Speaker B:And I got it off.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know if anyone knows by Nothing group, but I'm a huge, huge lover of the Buy Nothing group.
Speaker B:And they put one on.
Speaker B:I'm like, wow, I can't believe I did this.
Speaker B:Without.
Speaker B:Did.
Speaker B:Did all of Kimball's, like, infancy without.
Speaker A:Super nice.
Speaker B:So nice.
Speaker B:And so she's mostly sleeping.
Speaker B:The athletes are always like, she's still sleeping.
Speaker B:Yep, still sleeping.
Speaker A:Still sleeping.
Speaker A:So how is.
Speaker A:I mean, we were talking a little bit before we got started.
Speaker A:You're back at work now, which I know it sounds.
Speaker A:I know it sounds early to, like, our European audience to be back at work after, like, six weeks, but if.
Speaker B:I was European, I'd have years.
Speaker A:Years.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Just got back.
Speaker B:Monday was the first.
Speaker B:First official day back.
Speaker C:I. Yeah.
Speaker B:I was saying I have moments of just feeling like I'm drowning, trying to find, like, this new process.
Speaker B:And then I'll have moments where I'm like, oh, I can do this.
Speaker B:So I guess that's good, because considering we're three days in, it's, like, very fresh still.
Speaker B:But I told my athletes, so I coach OXO Collective here, which is a group of, uh.
Speaker B:We have, like, eight athletes right now.
Speaker B:And I, like, mentioned to them, I was like, if you feel like I'm not delivering what or like, meeting your expectations, like, just be clear with me and communicate to me.
Speaker A:And they were.
Speaker B:They gave me far more grace than I've given myself with it.
Speaker B:So I think it'll be okay.
Speaker B:But it is.
Speaker B:It's just, like, new.
Speaker A:It's very.
Speaker B:It's new to learn how to do all this, because with Kimball, I was just.
Speaker B:After having him, I didn't really have any responsibilities other than him.
Speaker A:Other than, like, you know, getting back to elite athlete, Olympic level shave.
Speaker A:Like, just that.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But it felt so freeing at that point because, like, I was like, ah, maybe I'll do this.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like, it was like, we'll see how this goes.
Speaker B:Which really was a great way to come back.
Speaker B:And it's actually now I just go back into my trading peaks from, like, three years ago, and it helps that Kimball and Josie have the same birthday.
Speaker B:So I can, like, literally follow it to a T. Like, just go back three years and be like, okay, what was I doing then?
Speaker B:Because that's my guidance for coming back to activity.
Speaker B:I'm like, I'm really going rogue here.
Speaker B:But I've started running, so.
Speaker A:Oh, have you?
Speaker B:I did.
Speaker B:Yesterday I did 1 minute walk, and then I did 5 minute run, 1 minute walk, 4 minute run, 1 minute walk down to.
Speaker A:It's like.
Speaker A:It took me, like.
Speaker A:Well, obviously C section is different.
Speaker A:I was like, it took me, like, four months to get to five minutes of running.
Speaker A:Well, yes.
Speaker B:So I had a very, like, ideal, like, birth experience.
Speaker B:And I. I had lunch with a PT friend of mine yesterday, and I. I was like, can you check if I have diastasis recti?
Speaker B:So I was like, standing up at the table at lunch, and she's just.
Speaker A:Like, poking at my stomach.
Speaker B:She's like, no, you're good.
Speaker A:I'm like, okay, great.
Speaker B:So that was.
Speaker B:That was the clearance that I needed.
Speaker B:Um, and really, I just, like, Tommy, put into my training peaks, like, 30 minutes of running every day, and I'm like, tommy, I'm not really sure I should be doing 30 minutes of running every day yet.
Speaker B:So I'm gonna do walk runs.
Speaker A:He has access to your training peaks.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker B:He does.
Speaker B:He does.
Speaker B:But that was, like, a surprise for me.
Speaker B:He usually doesn't put anything into it.
Speaker A:And then now I have, like, red on already.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker A:On your.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker B:But he's like, no.
Speaker B:He's like, no, Katie, the benefit of this now is that we can go and tweak it and make it green.
Speaker B:So, like, so I did a walk.
Speaker A:My husband did ask, how do I have any red or orange on my training peaks when I make up the workouts myself?
Speaker A:Like, why don't I just change them?
Speaker A:And I was like, well, it means that I know I didn't do it.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I feel that, like, that logic.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He was asking me too Though he was like, well, is she gonna try and come back to the Olympics?
Speaker A:And I was like, I don't think so.
Speaker A:I think she's just trying to, like, figure out, like, work and training and parenting and all of that together.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, that feels like enough right now.
Speaker A:Feels like enough.
Speaker C:It's a lot.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:If, if I did, they would surprise probably a lot of people, myself included.
Speaker A:You're like, never say never, but probably not.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:I give myself a 98% chance of never having to come back.
Speaker A:Never having to come back.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:I did tell you, though, I. I got talked into.
Speaker A:I'm going to the Super Tri Chicago race for like, 36 hours this weekend.
Speaker A:Because, again, like, I love, like, childcare.
Speaker A:I'm like, no, no, I'll fly in at 6am Saturday and then just go straight to the race.
Speaker A:So now I'm do.
Speaker A:I got talked into doing the sprint, Katie, and I, like, just like I told you, I literally am up to like, 30 minutes of like, jog walk.
Speaker A:So it might take me 30 minutes to do the 5K.
Speaker B:I was like, that's perfect.
Speaker B:You've hit it.
Speaker A:You've hit the window.
Speaker A:I also, like, rented a bike there.
Speaker A:Like, I don't even know.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna show up, pick up my rented bike, roll it into transition.
Speaker B:Yeah, I wrote down my advice for you and it was just go.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker B:Just go.
Speaker B:Just swim, bike and run.
Speaker A:Just go.
Speaker B:But yeah, I think it's, uh, like we were talking about before.
Speaker B:It's funny, like, now with having a kid and you're like dropping in race day and just, just going for it.
Speaker B:But I also made sure that you weren't racing the Super Tri race.
Speaker C:You weren't.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, no, that would be.
Speaker A:That would be something, right?
Speaker A:They're like.
Speaker A:And Kelly gets left out at the start.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, just go.
Speaker B:Just go.
Speaker A:Yeah, you know, it's gonna be cool.
Speaker A:I am like, they are flying me in cuz.
Speaker A:Cause obviously super tries expanding in the US and they wanted me to come, like, check it out.
Speaker A:And Chicago used to be like, I did the race.
Speaker A:I think you did the race back in the day too, right?
Speaker A:When it was like, massive.
Speaker A:And it used to be like the biggest triathlon in the world.
Speaker A:And apparently it's like back up to 7,000 people.
Speaker A:So it's like not the Super Tri, like the regular Chicago triathlon.
Speaker B:Tri.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:It was one of my first, like, age group.
Speaker B:And Alicia K was.
Speaker B:Alicia K won it.
Speaker A:Oh, really?
Speaker A:Back.
Speaker A:Back in the day.
Speaker B:Back in the Day.
Speaker A:So it'll be cool to see, like, how it's changed, you know, since the 15 years or whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I'm.
Speaker B:This is your first super try that you've ever.
Speaker A:I went to the Boston one last year.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Which I think was a little smaller because the Boston race is just, like, a little smaller.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, I think your course will be different, but the super tri course for Chicago is.
Speaker B:It's, like, pretty technical.
Speaker B:Like, there's, like, a piece of it where you're like, are you gonna fly into the.
Speaker B:The water there?
Speaker B:Like, so.
Speaker A:Oh, interesting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It'll be fun for you to see.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I think it'll be cool.
Speaker A:I think it's interesting.
Speaker A:Like, obviously, you know, it may work, may not, but, like, what they're doing with, like, all the races in the US that they're trying to, like, grow Olympic distance racing again.
Speaker A:And it used to be.
Speaker A:I know there used to be, like.
Speaker A:Like, back when Chicago was massive.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:There used to be, like, so many massive Olympic races you could do.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:It was really, like.
Speaker B:It was a really good vibe.
Speaker B:I felt like, between.
Speaker B:Because there was Also, like, Revolution Rev 3 for a while and Lifetime, like, all the Lifetime series.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, I hope Super Tri can do it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You're like, knock on something.
Speaker B:I got a wood table right here.
Speaker A:So that was your only tip.
Speaker A:I was like, okay, Katie, you gotta give me tips.
Speaker A:If your tips just go, just.
Speaker C:And have fun.
Speaker B:And have fun.
Speaker B:Don't forget to have fun.
Speaker B:But now I. I don't think I have much more than that.
Speaker B:It's funny, though, because, like.
Speaker B:So you do mostly halves.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Or fools.
Speaker A:Well, I do nothing right now.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker B:But this is a perfect entry.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I was like, the last time I, like, randomly did a sprint try, you know where, like.
Speaker A:Because I was like, oh, come do this one this weekend.
Speaker A:I think it may take me 30 minutes longer than that time.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker B:Well, let's try not to compare.
Speaker A:Let's try not to compare.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Don't compare.
Speaker B:Don't compare.
Speaker A:So that'll be so interesting.
Speaker B:This is uncharted territory, actually.
Speaker B:It's a fresh start.
Speaker B:It's your first race back after having a baby.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker B:In five months.
Speaker B:Six months.
Speaker A:Six months, Six months.
Speaker B:That's really cool.
Speaker A:So it'll be.
Speaker A:It'll be fun.
Speaker A:It'll be interesting.
Speaker A:And yeah, if, you know, if you're gonna.
Speaker A:If people are gonna be there, you can come say hi in Chicago at the.
Speaker A:I'll be down at the super tri event and then at the sprint with.
Speaker A:On my rented bike.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker B:Oh, even.
Speaker B:Yeah, Even the rented bike.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It'll be awesome.
Speaker A:It'll be great.
Speaker B:So you're, like, really ready?
Speaker A:Really ready.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Gonna get out my tri suit.
Speaker A:You know, all that?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:I'm excited for you.
Speaker B:The first race back is big.
Speaker A:I am.
Speaker A:I am not.
Speaker A:I'm like.
Speaker A:I'm not really, like, thinking of it as a race, but probably I put it in my training peaks as an event.
Speaker B:Yeah, it is.
Speaker A:Well, it's an event.
Speaker B:It's an event.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'll stick with event language.
Speaker A:We'll say.
Speaker B:It'S a hard training day.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It's something.
Speaker A:You know how training peaks also gives you a countdown when you put, like.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So it's telling me, like, how many.
Speaker B:Days, like, one week you put it in, like, yesterday.
Speaker A:But outside of our personal lives, it also is, like, triathlon happening in the world.
Speaker A:And like, we talked about last week, this past weekend was the final qualifying for Ironman World Championships.
Speaker A:So we have our final, like, list now.
Speaker A:And I was looking at it yesterday, kind of like, pull it together and it's interesting.
Speaker A:So I was, like, looking at all the stats, right.
Speaker A:Because it's about 60 women.
Speaker A:It's like 59 or women.
Speaker A:The youngest are 25.
Speaker A:The oldest are 43.
Speaker A:We have, like, 19 people making their debut in the pro field, which is a lot.
Speaker B:That's what I caught my eye was like, wow, it's really.
Speaker B:And like, strong women making their debut.
Speaker A:Like Julie Darin, Solvay Porter.
Speaker B:Mm, Trey.
Speaker A:So I feel there's also.
Speaker A:There's only, like, one person who, like, the people keep track of, like, how many world championship finishes you have.
Speaker A:And it's only, like, Maya Stage Nielsen, who has, like, more than five.
Speaker A:So it feels like it's like a turning of the guard.
Speaker A:It's like a cha.
Speaker A:Like, we don't have Daniella, we don't have Ann.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:We're, like, changing over now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which is kind of crazy because I feel like that's also happening in short course, like, at the same time.
Speaker A:Oh, really?
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, because just a lot of the.
Speaker B:Everybody.
Speaker B:All ours are in T100, so.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker A:All of the.
Speaker A:All of the.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:I don't want to say.
Speaker A:I'm trying to think of the right word for old names.
Speaker A:All of the.
Speaker A:All of the.
Speaker A:The legends, the icon.
Speaker A:They're all going to T100.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:All those wise ones.
Speaker A:Wise ones.
Speaker A:And also.
Speaker B:So this might just be Mean, not having, like, the insight for the long course.
Speaker B:But is Nina Julie's sister?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:It took me.
Speaker A:Okay, so Nina and Julie Darren are sisters.
Speaker A:It took me a stupid amount of time to realize that.
Speaker A:Like, I didn't realize until they were on the Iron Women podcast last year that they were sisters.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because I've seen, like, I guess I've seen Julie post about Nina, but I never really knew that she was, like, this level.
Speaker B:So that's really cool that they'll get to do this together.
Speaker A:Like, somebody asked if they were the first sisters, and I'd be like, no.
Speaker A:There were the Canadian sisters back in the day, the Puntus sisters, who were, like, both very good.
Speaker A:Like, would get, like, second and third or third and fourth.
Speaker B:Oh, that's.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I don't know if there's an other sisters besides that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I wonder if they have a team strategy.
Speaker A:Oh, that would be interesting.
Speaker A:Should we ask them?
Speaker A:Do you have a team strategy?
Speaker B:Bring them on.
Speaker A:Bring it on.
Speaker A:So that was cool.
Speaker A:I mean, it was.
Speaker A:It wasn't super dramatic.
Speaker A:Like, in the final qualifying, Marlene DeBoer got the last spot.
Speaker A:I think that was sort of predicted.
Speaker A:Chelsea, like, validated her spot.
Speaker A:She definitely, I think, still looked, like, injured, which I think she.
Speaker A:I mean, she's talked about plenty.
Speaker A:It looked painful.
Speaker A:It looked like.
Speaker A:We talked about, like, she had to finish that marathon and oof it.
Speaker A:But she has two months now, and I.
Speaker A:She's somebody I would, like, bet still shows up.
Speaker A:Ready.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, and I feel like now that you validate, like, hopefully she can, like, really get, like, focused on the recovery of her injury and get it under control.
Speaker B:Like I said, that's such a, like, hard spot.
Speaker B:Like, you go in, go race an iron man injured.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:I mean, people do it.
Speaker A:You always hear, like, crazy stories, right?
Speaker A:Like, when Lucy won that year or whatever, and she had.
Speaker A:I don't remember what she had, but it was some crazy.
Speaker A:It was something insane.
Speaker A:Like she tore her hamstring or something, and she just, like, ran through it, and you're like, oof.
Speaker B:But that was to validate or that was.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:When she won.
Speaker C:When she won.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:See, I feel like that's easier.
Speaker A:Like, that's easier because you're.
Speaker B:Well, in the sense of, like, you're like, I just have to get through this, like, race.
Speaker B:Whereas, like, go needing to race an ironman when you know you're injured to prepare for the world.
Speaker B:Another one, like, world championships.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's hard spot.
Speaker B:But hopefully it'll all.
Speaker A:Yeah, I Think.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm sure Chelsea, like buries herself when it's on the line and I'm sure she'll be ready.
Speaker A:It is an interesting.
Speaker A:When I was scanning like the list yesterday and they're like, it's a lot of 30 somethings.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:It's a lot of like 35, 37 year old women.
Speaker B:Do you think that's a shift?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I mean, I.
Speaker A:It's not like you have a couple of like 20 somethings, right?
Speaker A:Like Marjolaine and Taylor and Julie.
Speaker A:But it's.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's a lot of like 35, 37 year olds.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's funny too, because I'm looking.
Speaker B:I always think Taylor knives so young.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, she's 27.
Speaker A:Oh, she's 27.
Speaker A:She's not even the youngest one.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, not the youngest, but pretty, pretty darn close to the youngest.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, it's funny to me, there's a lot of people, like, Sam Long's another one, right?
Speaker A:Where people like, we still all think of him as being very young, but like, actually it's been around for a while now.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, I do the same thing with myself.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, I'm so young.
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh, you're not really that young anymore.
Speaker A:You're not really that young.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Like, we still refer to some people as like the kids.
Speaker A:And you're like, oh, the kids are 32.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that race, the Kyle, Mar and Copenhagen were the last qualifying races.
Speaker A:They were also the first races with the new age graded qualification system.
Speaker A:And I've had like, people ask, obviously, I know you don't.
Speaker A:This is not like something you're in the weeds on.
Speaker A:But I know our audience cares a lot.
Speaker A:So I will say I went and I looked up the rankings for Kalmar and Copenhagen and, like did the math, right?
Speaker A:Like, because the winner of every age group gets a spot automatically.
Speaker A:So you have to like count all those spots and then all the rest of the spots go just down the list of rankings, right?
Speaker A:Like based, Right.
Speaker A:So you have to like count every age group winner and then you count out all the rest of the spots.
Speaker A:And I didn't assume, like, I don't know if anything rolled down because it could, like the age group winner could have turned it down, but I don't.
Speaker A:This is the first races.
Speaker A:Like, I don't think that would have happened that much anyway.
Speaker A:If you do the math, Kalmar was like 30% women in the end qualifiers and Copenhagen was like 40% women qualifiers.
Speaker A:So that's about, I think, what was expected.
Speaker A:Interestingly, there's definitely like some, like, there's some weird things where it's like, like in Kalmar, a weird number of 50 to 54 year old men.
Speaker A:Like, clearly that was just a very competitive age group at that race.
Speaker A:You know, he says, like if a whole cohort of very competitive people like show up in a certain age group, they could just like get all the spots, which is like kind of.
Speaker A:I will say the thing that stood out to me more than the like female participation, like, because I think maybe I surprised some people.
Speaker A:I don't think it is.
Speaker A:I think we all expected it to be like averaging out to 35%.
Speaker A:The thing that was weird to me was that I think the algorithm isn't treating the older age groups well because Almost nobody over 65 earned a spot beyond the winners.
Speaker B:Oh, yes.
Speaker B:They'd be.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:They were so far down on the list.
Speaker A:Like, like, for some reason the ranking.
Speaker A:The algorithm is just ranking the older, like older age groups times much, much lower.
Speaker A:And even when you're scrolling down to find like the winners of the 70 to 74, it's very far down.
Speaker A:So I think.
Speaker A:So I will be interested to see if they adjust that because I think that's kind of sucks for, you know, like the 68 year old who's like really out there.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, because then when it comes to the world champs and it's like, yeah, you have your age group championships and there's no one in your.
Speaker B:Like you're like, oh, yeah.
Speaker A:And in some ways I feel like those are the people who should get like the most spots.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like the world championship should be the most for like the older, like if you're 34, like, whatever.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Do other things.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You could, if you really want to be good, like, you know, be a pro athlete.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:But they are retired, a lot of them, so they have so much time to train.
Speaker B:They really should be at the top of the game.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:That's the.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, I.
Speaker B:So I always think of Tommy's.
Speaker B:Tommy's mom because she started running later in life and now she's running like marathons and she's like 70 and she.
Speaker A:Oh, really?
Speaker B:Like, yeah, it's crazy to me.
Speaker B:She's.
Speaker B:Yeah, she runs all, like, all the time, but one of the, like the.
Speaker A:Best woman in the world.
Speaker A:Like the best, like she's like 74 and she has like every world record for like 70.
Speaker A:Like she can run a three hour marathon or she ran a three hour marathon at like 69 or something.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like she's very.
Speaker A:She didn't start running until she was in her 40s and she thinks like that's part of what.
Speaker B:She's fresh.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:See, there you go.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So sometimes I'm like, maybe I'm just going to turn out to be Katie, one of Those like amazing 68 year olds.
Speaker B:Late bloomers.
Speaker A:Late bloomers, yeah.
Speaker A:Well, it's nice.
Speaker B:You're like, there's still time.
Speaker B:Still time to get your like records and.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:World championships.
Speaker B:I do think there's like there is.
Speaker A:A piece of that.
Speaker B:Like I mean the thriving retirement age of like being able to focus on like, especially.
Speaker B:I mean I'm coming at it probably from like the moment mom view.
Speaker B:But like you're back to being able to focus on yourself and like go after some things that maybe you put on hold for a little bit.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I'm definitely projecting here.
Speaker A:You're projecting?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You feel like this is.
Speaker A:You're like, what's the whole like this might be about you.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker B:This is about me.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, now it's therapy.
Speaker B:We shifted.
Speaker A:We shifted.
Speaker A:I'll say.
Speaker A:Like I have very little interest in racing Kona again.
Speaker A:Like I did it once as an age group.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I don't, but I think it'd be fun to do it at like 70, like come back and be one of those people if I am still able to.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker B:I mean this isn't talking about Kona, but we were at age group nationals at Atlantic City last year and like it was my first time at the finish line.
Speaker B:We were handing out the medals to the finishers and it was so impressive seeing like the older crew come across and just be, I don't know, it's like be so motivated and like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I agree.
Speaker B:It is, it is special.
Speaker B:And that was, I mean.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Ironman is a totally different beast.
Speaker A:I mean age group nationals is super fun because of that.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because it's like, because you can still keep doing it like pretty competitively for a pretty long time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because it doesn't require as much volume.
Speaker A:We didn't talk about last week, but age group nationals the second day got canceled this year because of the crazy flooding.
Speaker A:I know it was really bad flooding though, I will say because like my family lives there.
Speaker A:Like, like people's houses got destroyed.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It was like there was not like, an option for having a triathlon.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I, I hope everybody, from what I could tell, like, on the USAT side, most like the feedback was just people being supportive and understanding.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't even think they're like, when they.
Speaker A:I saw people being like, it was the right decision.
Speaker A:I was like, I don't even think they got to make a decision.
Speaker A:I think they were told by the.
Speaker A:Yeah, you are not having a triathlon.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:What are the races where this past weekend, whether there was Louisville.
Speaker A:Jackie Herring won, which is always nice to see Jackie win.
Speaker A:Xterra European champs.
Speaker A:I gotta give a shout out to Solen, who was on the podcast a couple weeks ago.
Speaker A:I guess she decided to do the Euro championships like a week before.
Speaker A:Well, she's like you.
Speaker A:Yeah, there you go.
Speaker A:And she won.
Speaker B:So just like me or you're like her.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So go win it.
Speaker B:Go win it.
Speaker A:Go win the sprint triathlon in my 30 minute 5K.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Any other races on your radar?
Speaker B:No, it was.
Speaker B:It was pretty quiet for, like, past this past week for the short course side of things.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Chicago's coming up in the French Riviera.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:I think in the French Riviera the week after.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which I'm still, like, my mind is still boggled about the ones on the start list for, like, the World Triathlon Championship series race and the T100.
Speaker A:Well, Hayden said he wants to try and win both titles.
Speaker B:I wouldn't put it past him.
Speaker B:So, I mean, it always to Chelsea's point with, like, when we spoke last week about it's going to be really hard to do both really well.
Speaker B:But, like, if Hayden wins, like, I mean, that's.
Speaker B:That's pretty crazy if he is able to, like, get both, especially as he's.
Speaker A:Coming back from, like, such a bad crash, I would want to, like, ease in.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker B:Well, he's probably very hungry.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:I don't think there's any easing.
Speaker B:It's like, I'm back.
Speaker A:Did there was.
Speaker A:Oh, I know what there was.
Speaker A:In the shortcuts world.
Speaker A:Did you watch this, like, World Games duathlon thing?
Speaker A:So there was like a duathlon.
Speaker A:World championship isn't the right word.
Speaker A:Cause the World Games are like the Olympics for non Olympic sports, so they're held every four years.
Speaker B:That's a great way to describe it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:There's like 35 sports and they're all like, the ones that are not in the Olympics.
Speaker A:Some of them are, like, things you've heard of, like flag football and some of them are things you have not heard of, like long distance free diving.
Speaker B:My God, that would be so scary.
Speaker A:There's some, like, wild things that you're just like, what is happening?
Speaker A:Tug of war was one of the sports.
Speaker B:Well, no, like, how do you get teams for, like.
Speaker B:I mean, that's.
Speaker B:It's cool.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:For everybody.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But so duathlon.
Speaker A:So in the context of, like, under the triathlon umbrella, duathlon is what they contest because that's not an Olympic sport.
Speaker A:And who was it who won?
Speaker B:She was from Mexico and now he, Alvarez and I.
Speaker B:So, yeah, I raced against her quite a bit, especially, like, coming back after Kimball.
Speaker B:Um, she's fast runner.
Speaker B:Super fast runner.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And I like duathlon as a different sport.
Speaker B:I do not love duathlon.
Speaker B:When triathlon becomes duathlon and I'm like, this is a different sport.
Speaker B:So I'm a little conflicted on it.
Speaker B:But, like, as, like, the World Games and, I mean, it's hard.
Speaker B:Triathlon's hard, like, when you get.
Speaker B:When our races get switched to them.
Speaker B:And I think I've actually only had to do one.
Speaker B:And I DNF'd.
Speaker B:Oh, I didn't finish.
Speaker B:And it was.
Speaker B:Funnily enough, it was the national championships that year for triathlon.
Speaker B:So that year our national triathlon champion is actually.
Speaker B:It was actually duathlon.
Speaker A:That happened when I was in college.
Speaker A:The college championships turned into a duathlon.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And to me, that's just like.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, my friend who doesn't know how to swim want it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, well.
Speaker B:And like, when it becomes like, that's a possibility for, like, the Olymp.
Speaker B:When it's been like, oh, that's a possibility for the Olympics, it's like, really, like, irks me, but it irks you.
Speaker B:But then at this, I mean, I. I guess it's a catch 22 because you're like, well, would you rather not compete?
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:No, you'd rather compete.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But anyways, it's.
Speaker B:It's hard.
Speaker B:It's hard to do.
Speaker A:What do you think?
Speaker A:Well, it used to be.
Speaker A:I feel like my understanding is it used to be more of, like, a duathlon circuit.
Speaker A:And, like, it was a thing that was actually, like, contested.
Speaker A:Like, you know, you had, like, power man and like a duathlon world championship.
Speaker A:And then I think it just sort of got, like, sidelined.
Speaker A:And it's not.
Speaker A:It's not as much a bit as its own sport anymore.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:There aren't really, like, except for the World Games, as many competitive du Athletes.
Speaker B:They do they not have it.
Speaker B:They don't have it anymore at the World Championships.
Speaker A:Like, I think they have it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:They have it at that malt at the multi sport, where there's like a quathalon and duathlon and cross and there's like a bunch of things.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I probably don't know enough about the circuit of duathlon, but.
Speaker A:But I gather it used to be bigger.
Speaker A:Like, there were people who were, like.
Speaker A:It was like a thing.
Speaker B:Well, it's.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:That doesn't surprise me because there's so many people where the swimming is really the part that people are, like, true.
Speaker B:The most nervous about or if.
Speaker B:If, like, swimming's your weakness, just being able to do a run in a bike is far more up some people's alley.
Speaker A:True.
Speaker B:I always really appreciated the swim.
Speaker A:You were pro swim?
Speaker B:Pro swim, yes.
Speaker A:It was interesting, though, to, like, see they also did, I guess, a mixed relay duathlon at the World Games.
Speaker B:Oh, that's cool.
Speaker B:I love the relays.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker A:Are they fun?
Speaker B:Well, like, I just mean, like, in general, any relay, any sport, it is.
Speaker B:It's the most fun.
Speaker A:Would you do a duathlon?
Speaker B:Well, did they do it, like, each per.
Speaker B:Did they do it the way they do the mixed relay?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, just a short.
Speaker A:And then Spain won in, like a sprint or whatever.
Speaker A:Would you do a duathlon?
Speaker A:Mixed relay?
Speaker B:That would also be.
Speaker B:Would I. Yeah, that'd be really hard.
Speaker B:Yes, yes, I would.
Speaker B:I would.
Speaker A:What did you call it?
Speaker B:I would do the event.
Speaker A:I would do the event.
Speaker A:It's not a race, it's an event.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, I. I mean, I think it.
Speaker B:I mean, it depends how they race the races, because if it's like a tactical first run and then you're riding as a group and then racing.
Speaker A:Yeah, I guess for people who don't know, the.
Speaker A:One of the things is, like, when they do do Athlon, what they usually do is do a short first run to, like, spread people out before they get on their bike and then a bike and then like kind of the normal distance run, whatever that is, like 5K.
Speaker A:And that first short run is often insane because everyone's just like, full out.
Speaker A:Full out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's what my experience.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, it's painful.
Speaker A:All right, we have.
Speaker A:Today I had a short catch up with Gwen Jorgensen, which we'll play after we take a little break because she had surgery.
Speaker A:But Katie, I mean, you'll hear this in the interview.
Speaker A:She is full on coming back.
Speaker A:Like, she is still motivated, she is still Excited.
Speaker A:She's like planning her 20, 26.
Speaker B:I was like, wow, it's impressive.
Speaker B:I mean I, I.
Speaker B:So as a, as an athlete myself, I was pretty much like unscathed with long term injuries and so I never had to do that.
Speaker B:But I look at some athletes who like Flora Duffy, like relentless kind of injuries.
Speaker B:And then like Emma Box, she had a lot of injuries and it, to me it was like so impressive to still like, I don't think it's the motivation that impresses me because athletes want to compete, but to be able to stay engaged and positive and like continue to just like believe and go after it, like that's really, it takes a lot of energy.
Speaker B:It takes like a huge mental toll.
Speaker B:So, yeah, it's cool to see Gwen like still really like I'm coming back.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:I mean when we started talking and she was like talking about next year, next year, I was like, it doesn't sound like you are done.
Speaker A:It sounds like you are ready to keep going.
Speaker B:So I'm taking away that we are still on the path where I, you.
Speaker A:Know, you talk to some people and you're like, I think you sound like you might be wrapping this up.
Speaker B:No, no signs of that.
Speaker A:No signs of that.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:No, I'm not, I'm not sure that's in, that's in there.
Speaker B:It'll be, it'll be a surprise like whenever, whenever she's like ready.
Speaker B:Although I guess that's kind of contradictory to like a few years ago when it seemed like she was done triathlon.
Speaker B:But now she's.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, I think.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like you kind of said like different things, kept people motivated again and excited.
Speaker B:And she's, she's tasted it too from like, like we were talking about with Yokohama.
Speaker B:She was fourth in Yokohama, so I think she sees glimpses of it and also like obviously an injury and I feel like this injury for her was like one she's been managing for a while and decided like, okay, if I'm really gonna be able to train the way I want to and race the way I want to.
Speaker B:She had to get it, get the surgery done.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker A:It's not like some, it's not a surgery like you have it done sooner so that you can get back to training.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, yeah.
Speaker A:In long game here.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But yeah, the being able to like keep on when things are going rough or not ideal is hard.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So kudos to her.
Speaker A:We caught up with her just kind of about what she's been doing in her Little break.
Speaker A:I mean, break's not the right word.
Speaker A:But as she has some extra time here and her plans for.
Speaker A:For the future.
Speaker A:All right, Gwen Jorgensen, thanks for joining me.
Speaker A:I feel like the first question is, how are you doing post surgery?
Speaker A:How are you feeling?
Speaker C:Yeah, you asked me that when I got on this, and I said, great.
Speaker C:I said, actually, no, I'm not.
Speaker C:I'm doing terrible.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, triathlon is such a big part of my life.
Speaker C:And I had a Hagland's deformity recurrence.
Speaker C:I had surgery on my foot a couple years ago on my Achilles.
Speaker C:It's basically a bone overgrowth.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Grows into the Achilles.
Speaker C:And so then every time you take a step, the Achilles is getting cut by the bone.
Speaker C:And this started.
Speaker C:I caught it really quick because I know exactly what it feels like.
Speaker C:I went into my PT and he's like, you're fine.
Speaker C:I'm like, I don't feel fine.
Speaker C:And so, yeah, we went in, got a X ray, MRI surgery.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So I'm in.
Speaker C:I'm not able to weight bear yet.
Speaker C:So I've been.
Speaker C:This morning I did the rower and the boss trainer, but oh, my gosh, it's so boring.
Speaker C:I'm like, what is the point?
Speaker C:I can't even get my heart rate up.
Speaker C:But, yeah, just trying to stay active.
Speaker C:And for me, you know, I think there haven't been any races yet, so that helps mentally.
Speaker C:But when there's some races that I was planning on going to come, that start coming, it'll be really difficult.
Speaker C:At the same time, I am old enough where I have.
Speaker C:I don't know if it's maturity or you just something.
Speaker C:But, yeah, I know that this is what I need to do just to be healthy and live my life.
Speaker C:Like, I.
Speaker C:With this sort of thing, if I didn't get surgery, I'd have pain walking around, and I don't want to be in chronic pain.
Speaker C:So, yeah, just kind of looking at the long game and trying to keep my mind occupied.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I was going to ask because some people, they'll, like, try and push through a Haggless deformity for, you know, a season just to get it done.
Speaker A:But you went ahead and decided to go ahead and do the surgery, which makes me think then that you're still thinking next season, season after that.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, my PT and my doctor, everyone said, you can definitely finish out this season.
Speaker C:That would be no problem.
Speaker C:And I was just like, absolutely not for me.
Speaker C:I. I wanted to get it done.
Speaker C: n start fresh at the start of: Speaker C: I didn't podium this year in: Speaker C:Oh, I didn't podium.
Speaker C:I did get fourth and then I feel like I got my season cut short.
Speaker C:So I also had a flat tire.
Speaker C:I feel like I had.
Speaker C:This year's just, you know, we're, we're going to just toss this year up.
Speaker C:We're going to scratch it and we're going to start again next year.
Speaker A:But it sounds, I mean, I'm listening to you and I was, it sounds like you're still having fun though.
Speaker A:The fire is still there.
Speaker A:You still want to keep racing.
Speaker A:You're like, you still like got plans.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:Yes, I, I actually just got off a phone call with my sports psych and I just, I feel like this is a really good time to do some really good work there.
Speaker C:And so, yeah, I'm excited about the future and I feel like, I feel like I have a lot more that I can give and so, yeah, it's exciting for me and something that, yeah, I, the fire is definitely still there.
Speaker C:I still enjoy it.
Speaker C:I'm missing it dearly right now, so it's all good sign.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And how has recovery been with.
Speaker A:I mean you've obviously had a long career, you've had injuries before, but I don't know if you had two kids before when you had to get surgery.
Speaker A:How is it with two kids and not being weight bearing now?
Speaker C:Yeah, you know, George, my youngest, he's like, mommy, why can't you walk?
Speaker C:Why can't you walk?
Speaker C:And he's like, mommy, I'm going to get surgery.
Speaker C:And I was like, no one surgery.
Speaker C:So, yeah, I mean it's, you know, my boys.
Speaker C:Stanley's very, he's at an old enough age where he kind of understands and is very accommodating.
Speaker C:And George, it's hard to be alone with him.
Speaker C:A two year old who can just run out the door at any moment and I can't really keep up.
Speaker C:So that's probably the hardest part is just I feel like I'm not able to, I don't feel comfortable, comfortable being home alone with my 2 year old, which is just hard.
Speaker C:But yeah, they're great and I think having them during this time is actually awesome.
Speaker C:You know, I've my.
Speaker C:I'm actually able to like do More stuff.
Speaker C:So we just, you know, go places that they want to go and go to parks and hang out and have a little more of that family time.
Speaker A:That's awesome.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I will tell you, I was Googling something about, like, postpartum return to running and totally random, separate, like, Reddit hole.
Speaker A:They're like, have you watched Gwen Jorgensen's YouTube video?
Speaker A:She's amazing.
Speaker A:And I didn't realize, like, how widespread your recovery.
Speaker A:Like, these are people who aren't even triathletes.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So I.
Speaker A:So you must get questions all, like, it must come up all the time with people just want to know how you do it, how you make it work, how you returned after all these different times.
Speaker A:I was.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was surprised, like, how.
Speaker A:How broad it went.
Speaker A:So I.
Speaker C:That's good to know.
Speaker C:I feel like a lot of times in sports, you know, you figure out.
Speaker C:You try to figure out a why and, like, why am I doing this?
Speaker C:And there's a lot of whys for me.
Speaker C:Like, I, you know, internally want to accomplish things, but also externally, I want to be.
Speaker C:You know, I want to help other people.
Speaker C:And so it's good to hear that.
Speaker C:And, you know, I think for me, you know, coming back, I have a ton of support, which is huge.
Speaker C:My husband Patrick, we have an au pair.
Speaker C:My family, my coaches, like, everyone.
Speaker C:I feel like you need this huge network.
Speaker C:And then as well, I. I think I was just born with a really big stubbornness, and if I want to do something, I'm gonna just keep banging my head against the wall until I do it.
Speaker A:All right, well, there you go.
Speaker A:And what have you.
Speaker A:I mean, I don't want to say, like, you have a ton of downtime right now, but I do feel like I'm getting all.
Speaker A:I'm seeing, like, your name pop up and all these other things.
Speaker A:Like, you're doing a scholarship fund.
Speaker A:I feel like you were investing in a saddle company.
Speaker A:Like, it feels like you're doing.
Speaker A:You're expanding your repertoire right now, right?
Speaker C:I am.
Speaker C:I actually started all those things before my Haglins for me popped up.
Speaker C:But, yeah, the.
Speaker C:The Gwen Jorgensen scholarship fund is something that I Super excited about this year.
Speaker C:I actually.
Speaker C:It started because I had some, like, old clothes that were gently used, you know, like bike kits, and I was, like, trying to get rid of them, posted about it on Instagram.
Speaker C:And my dear friend Scott, who I. I met at the pool, by one day, I just went.
Speaker C:I, like, saw him swimming at my local pool, and I said, you're fast, Will you swim with me sometimes.
Speaker C:And that's like, I was trying to recruit people, so that's how I met him.
Speaker C:But he, he was like, I saw your post and he's like, I have some money.
Speaker C:I've been wanting to help people with like, get in the sport, get active.
Speaker C:And he's like, could.
Speaker C:Is there something we could do where we could use your name to kind of help?
Speaker C:And so, yeah, we re brought back the Gwen Jorgensen Triathlon Fund, which I actually just read all of the applicants two days ago.
Speaker C:And yeah, we're going to select the winners in like a week.
Speaker C:So it was super cool to read that the USA Triathlon foundation actually said it was the most applicants they ever had for one grant.
Speaker C:So, yeah, just super inspiring to read that and, you know, just hear people's stories and, you know, sometimes just a little bit of help can go such a long way.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:Yeah, exciting.
Speaker A:I was going to ask if you were like, really involved if you're like reading all the applications and it sounds like, yeah, there's a committee of.
Speaker C:There's a couple people from the Found foundation on the selection committee, myself, Scott and Patrick.
Speaker C:So, yeah, definitely in it.
Speaker C:And you know, I'm excited that I'm going to be able to as well, like call people and award them myself.
Speaker C:It's something that I, when I did the Gwen Dorgensen Scholarship a few years ago, you know, it really meant a lot to people when I called them and talked to them and could almost have like a mentorship as well.
Speaker C:So, yeah, you know, I try to.
Speaker C:I don't think that much about my accomplishments, but I think I can use them in a way to help others and inspire others.
Speaker C:And so this is just kind of one.
Speaker C:One way to do that.
Speaker A:Do you.
Speaker A:Obviously you're in Boulder now and so I feel like there are a lot of like young up and coming triathletes.
Speaker A:Are you like, imparting wisdom all the time out when you're on rides?
Speaker C:I don't have as much wisdom as everyone.
Speaker C:Yeah, you know, I think for me, yeah, being in Boulder is.
Speaker C:Is awesome.
Speaker C:You have so many amazing athletes around you and people who aren't pros who are faster than pros.
Speaker A:Like Scott, apparently.
Speaker C:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker C:You never even heard of them.
Speaker C:But yeah, I think it's.
Speaker C:It's just a really cool place and environment to be.
Speaker C:And you know, last week Chelsea, Kevin and Summer put on a kids triathlon camp here and just like seeing that sort of stuff and having.
Speaker C:Being able to be around that I think is really cool to have that sort of community and have so much access to helping kids.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Do you.
Speaker A:Has it improved since you, like, came into sport?
Speaker A:Has getting kids and youth and younger athletes kind of up through the pipeline kind of gotten better, Gotten worse?
Speaker A:The same?
Speaker C:I have no idea.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:You know, I think triathlon, USA Triathlon is trying to do a lot to.
Speaker C:To build that up.
Speaker C:And, you know, there's.
Speaker C:There's grants actually, through the foundation where they help set up, like, areas that have never had triathlons.
Speaker C:And they bring in.
Speaker C:They do, like, a camp, they do a race, they do everything.
Speaker C:And so I think, you know, there's so many opportunities.
Speaker C:So if people are listening to this and they're in an area where they don't have.
Speaker C:It's not a boul.
Speaker C:There's not a ton of triathlons.
Speaker C:There's so many opportunities to bring that sport to your community, and I. I hope that people, you know, really grab on to that and embrace it.
Speaker A:Are.
Speaker A:Are your kids gonna do triathlon?
Speaker A:You're not sure yet.
Speaker C:So Stanley's really into Taekwondo.
Speaker C:Taekwondo.
Speaker C:So he does taekwondo a few times a week.
Speaker C:He's been doing it for years.
Speaker C:He's a deputy black belt.
Speaker C:You know, he will ride his bike, he will run if he's racing someone.
Speaker C:But he's.
Speaker C:He's not really, like, into the competitiveness yet.
Speaker C:He doesn't want to do any races for medals or.
Speaker C:So I see his competitiveness.
Speaker C:So I'm pretty sure it'll come out at some point.
Speaker C:But, yeah, they.
Speaker C:They haven't shown too much interest in triathlon, although.
Speaker C:Oh, this is a funny story.
Speaker C:Stanley went back to school yesterday.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:And he had to write down for his teacher, favorite food, favorite place to eat, favorite sports team.
Speaker C:And he said USA Triathlon is his favorite sports team.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Awesome.
Speaker C:I thought sure it was going to be the Broncos because he loves the Broncos.
Speaker C:He also loves the Packers.
Speaker C:I'm from Wisconsin, but, yeah, it was USA Triathlon.
Speaker A:And the teacher's like, what?
Speaker C:Yeah, like, you've never done a triathlon in your life.
Speaker C:Well, he did do Iron Kids once, but it was just like a running race.
Speaker A:Okay, so you're not.
Speaker A:You're not for.
Speaker A:Of course you're not going to force it on them, but.
Speaker A:But they're around it all the time, so.
Speaker C:They are around it constantly.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, I mentioned the saddle company, but I do feel like.
Speaker A:I see.
Speaker A:Well, obviously, Pat has his fingers in, like, a billion things, but I feel like you both are just, like, kind of doing all these other.
Speaker A:Other projects right now, too.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:We invested in wove.
Speaker C:It's something that I actually.
Speaker C: think it was discontinued in: Speaker A:Oh, and you were still using it?
Speaker C:I'm still using it as I.
Speaker C:And I finally, two years ago, I was like, I am scrapping this.
Speaker C:Like, I only have one left out of when I hoarded them, when they were, you know, discontinuing them.
Speaker C:And I just, like, started going through saddle by saddle by saddle.
Speaker C:Like, we had thousands upon.
Speaker C:Upon thousands of dollars worth of saddles in my garage that I was buying outright because I was just like, I need to find a saddle that works.
Speaker C:I bought one that was like this, like, super cush kush mountain bike saddle.
Speaker C:Like, it was like, huge.
Speaker C:Huge.
Speaker C:Anyway, I found one that was bearable, but I had been riding it for months, and every time I got on, I almost was in tears because I was like, I am just not comfortable.
Speaker C:I can't get in the position I want to get in.
Speaker C:Like, I can't rotate my pelvis.
Speaker C:And Pat actually was like, try this saddle from wove.
Speaker C:I knew nothing about it.
Speaker C:And, oh, I have another funny side story.
Speaker C:Every time we got these saddles, Pat would some, for some reason, put them on our kitchen table.
Speaker C:So they were like our centerpiece.
Speaker C:And when the wove one came, Stanley looked at it, and he's like, that one looks cool.
Speaker C:But why do we keep putting saddles on the kitchen table?
Speaker A:What is going on?
Speaker C:We'd literally be eating dinner, and there's, like, a saddle sitting on the table, and it was, like, for me to inspect.
Speaker C:And anyway, I. Yeah, I rode the.
Speaker C:Put on the wolf saddle and instantly had zero pain.
Speaker C:And I was like, this can't be.
Speaker C:I must just be having a good day.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:And then I continued to try it and haven't had pain, been able to get in the position.
Speaker C:So, yeah, I was, like, something that I was really excited about.
Speaker C:And, yeah, Pat actually had the idea to.
Speaker C:To invest in them, and I was like, well, yeah, I would love to, because I don't want them going away and I want them to make more.
Speaker C:So, yeah, I think, you know, for a lot of women and men, it's a huge problem is pain riding a bike.
Speaker C:And I've always been told it's just a part of riding your bike.
Speaker C:Yeah, I don't think it is.
Speaker C:I've.
Speaker C:I've learned that it's not.
Speaker C:You just need to find something that works.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Apparently this is a Big problem for a lot of like elite women who ride, you know, the quantity and amount that you ride.
Speaker C:Yes, yes.
Speaker C:So, yeah, I'm.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's been super exciting to do that.
Speaker C:And Pat actually also just invested in or he sponsored the cycle cross series here in Boulder.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker C:They lost their sponsor, so yeah.
Speaker C:Super cool to just kind of like that's, you know, something as well that Pat and I are both passionate about is just like supporting the local racing.
Speaker C:It's fun.
Speaker C:I think it keeps the sport alive.
Speaker C:It's not, you know, a pro level race, but it's great to have something in your neighborhood that you can just go out and do a weeknight race and I think it really keeps that the community thriving.
Speaker A:Do you ever show up to the Thursday, like splash and dash at the reservoir then?
Speaker C:Yes, it's called two of them this year actually.
Speaker C:So yeah, I've done that.
Speaker C:And you know, some local crits and yeah, some of the local cycle cross races I have also done.
Speaker C:Pat always wants me to do all of them, but yes, I do.
Speaker C:I do some of them as well.
Speaker A:Do people ever.
Speaker A:I mean, obviously in Boulder that happens, right?
Speaker A:Like random Olympians show up.
Speaker A:People ever like, what is going on?
Speaker A:Gwen Jorgensen just beat me at this like random 5k.
Speaker C:Yeah, my, my sister actually, she is very recreational athlete, but she just signed up for a like winter series, running race series and she's like, my goal is to got get top three and I just hope there is no one like Gwen showing up at these races.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:But yeah, I mean, I think, you know, in Boulder there's always top competition.
Speaker C:Like I am not winning all these races.
Speaker C:So, you know, I think that's really exciting and hopefully not discouraging to other people, but encouraging.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker A:And I saw you.
Speaker A:I mean, you also did like the Master Cycling Championships, right?
Speaker A:Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker C:That was back in my hometown actually.
Speaker C:So, you know, we flew the whole family.
Speaker C:We got to see grandma, Grandpa.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And did the, the Masters.
Speaker C:I can't believe I'm so old that I can do Master's National.
Speaker C:I'm so old.
Speaker C:Yeah, you know, that's something.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:I like racing.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:And so when I get an opportunity to race.
Speaker C:And that was actually something Pat wanted to do.
Speaker C:And he was like, well, I'll just fly there with the kids.
Speaker C:And I said, absolutely not.
Speaker C:If you're going there, I'm going there too.
Speaker C:Let's sign me up.
Speaker C:So as a whole family affair.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:It sounds like you don't think of Yourself as a master's athlete though?
Speaker A:Like, you're like, no, I'm still an athlete.
Speaker A:Athlete, Elite athlete.
Speaker C:Well, you know, I couldn't, I don't know if I'd throw myself in ever in an elite bike cycling race.
Speaker C:So I mean, I, I like being the master's athlete.
Speaker C:In cycling events.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:In triathlon, I'm still trying to, to compete on the elite level, but master cycling is very competitive.
Speaker C:Insane.
Speaker A:In that whole.
Speaker A:Like, obviously you're not old, but you know, we're aging.
Speaker A:Do how do you kind of like adjust things now as you're getting on with your recovery and your training and all that?
Speaker C:Yeah, you know, I think with kids it's, it's harder.
Speaker C:I'm going to bed earlier and earlier when they go to bed, I go to bed.
Speaker C:But you know, I think I don't feel like my body's really slowing down that much.
Speaker C:You know, I'm, I'm more terrified to fall because if I fall, I think my body doesn't react as well.
Speaker C:I think with time though, like with my haglins deformity that came back like this is how everything with my body, if something goes wrong, I'm so much wiser and I almost know instantly what's happening that I think that really helps me in so many ways.
Speaker C:So like when the haglin started and my PT was like, you're fine.
Speaker C:I was just like, no, it, I know it's not like I know what this is.
Speaker C:So I think it's just kind of.
Speaker C:Yes, it's probably harder to for some things and for your body to recover.
Speaker C:But also I know my body so much better that it almost evens out.
Speaker C:I'd say the hardest thing is probably I can't just like go into a race totally unprepared.
Speaker C:And when I used to, I think be able to, or when you're younger, you kind of can do that.
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker C:You know, now if I'm, if I'm gonna race, I need to actually be very prepared because I'm.
Speaker C:I don't know, some young athletes, I just feel like when they're 19 or 20, it's like they just don't lose any fitness for some reason.
Speaker A:You're like, yeah, is that age or is that like.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:It's also like there's more people now.
Speaker A:It's like all changing.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker C:Don't know.
Speaker C:Crazy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Well, what fit constantly.
Speaker A:The 90 year olds are always fit.
Speaker A:Okay, well, what, I mean, obviously right now you're recovering and then you're going to come back next year.
Speaker A:What, what are your plans?
Speaker A:What's next?
Speaker A:Like, what.
Speaker A:Where should we look for Gwen next?
Speaker C:I'm just going to say follow me on social media.
Speaker C:I've learned from previous injuries and surgeries.
Speaker C:I don't want to put a timeline on it.
Speaker C:When I have, like, I have to get back for this, I push it.
Speaker C:You know, I'll run too soon.
Speaker C:I'll push through something that probably isn't right.
Speaker C:And so I'm not putting any dates in.
Speaker C:I just, you know, I, I'm.
Speaker C:If everything goes fine, I should be back for the first race of the season next year.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:But I'll keep updated on my social media.
Speaker A:Are you still doing YouTube videos, too?
Speaker C:Yes, yes, I've had.
Speaker C:I'm looking for a videographer in older Louisville area because my two that I use have been very busy.
Speaker C:Yes, they're both unavailable for the next month.
Speaker C:So if anybody is in the Boulder area, let me know.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:See, I feel like we've just put so many calls out if you want to do a triathlon, if you want to be a swim partner, if you're a videographer.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:This is just, this is not an interview for anything but me trying to get everything I need right.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Well, thank you so much for catching us up on.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What.
Speaker A:What Gwen's up to now.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Thank you for the time.