Lauren Roxburgh, “Body Whisperer” to top athletes and celebrities, is giving us the gold on the power of somatic bodywork, and how we can use foam rolling and rebounding to build strength and flexibility, and listen to our body intelligence.     

We dive into Lauren’s transition from All-American athlete to Pilates pro to world-renowned structural integration practitioner; and how fascia bodywork improved her physical and mental health, and has enhanced the lives of her clients.   

Lauren stresses the importance of fascia — the magical communication system in the body that controls our health and vitality. She shares the sound and movement “medicine” we can use to clear toxins, lose weight, combat aging, and connect with our emotional resilience.  

We discuss the challenges of living in a world flooded by half-baked information and dominated by Artificial Intelligence. To combat AI, tap into your BI—your Body Intelligence. Lauren gives us her favorite embodiment strategies to call the energy back to you so you can make choices that are in tune with your intuition and introception. 

To upgrade your health and learn how to harness more of your physical and emotional power don’t miss this episode.   

TESS’S TAKEAWAYS  

Body integration work lies between the fitness world and the somatic world. 

Somatic bodywork supports physical and emotional healing.    

Fascia — the body’s “glue” plays a huge role in health and vitality. 

Foam rolling activates healing energy in your body. 

Rebounding for just 2 minutes a day is like an internal massage. 

Your energy is your algorithm — it helps you attract what you want.  

The Cyclical Sigh is a great way to combat stress and calm your nervous system. 

Balance the energy of force and control with the energy of flow, surrender, and allowing. 

MEET LAUREN ROXBURGH 

Dubbed “The Body Whisperer,” Lauren Roxburgh is a world-renowned Structural Integration bodywork practitioner, Pilates instructor, and author specializing in holistic body care, fascia health, mind-body alignment, and movement medicine.  

A contributor to Goop, Women’s Health magazine, and MindBodyGreen, Lauren has been a featured wellness expert on some of the top podcasts such as Heal Thy Self, Broken Brain, The Genius Life, and Heal Squad.  

As one of the go-to practitioners for sports stars like Lebron James, Baron Davis, and other elite athletes; and celebrities such as Gwyneth Paltrow, Kate Beckinsale, and Amber Valetta, Vogue calls Lauren “The Body Alignment Pro.”    

As the co-founder of Aligned Life Studio, Lauren helps people strengthen their bodies, shed physical and emotional weight, and enhance confidence and resilience by focusing on fascia wellness. Entrepreneur magazine listed her as one of its 8 Tech Pioneers to Watch.  

CONNECT WITH LAUREN 

Lauren’s Website: https://laurenroxburgh.com/ 

Aligned Life Studio: https://alignedlifestudio.com/ 

Free Body Reset Guide: https://alignedlifestudio.com/7-day-body-reset-2 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/loroxburgh/ 

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LoRoxburgh 

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/LoRoxburgh 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauren-roxburgh-876b4510a/ 

MEET TESS MASTERS

Tess Masters is an actor, presenter, health coach, cook, and author of The Blender Girl, The Blender Girl Smoothies, and The Perfect Blend, published by Penguin Random House. She is also the creator of The Decadent Detox® and Skinny60® health programs.     

Health tips and recipes by Tess have been featured in the LA Times, Washington Post, InStyle, Prevention, Shape, Glamour, Real Simple, Yoga Journal, Yahoo Health, Hallmark Channel, The Today Show, and many others.   

Tess’s magnetic personality, infectious enthusiasm, and down-to-earth approach have made her a go-to personality for people of all dietary stripes who share her conviction that healthy living can be easy and fun. Get delicious recipes at TheBlenderGirl.com.   

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Website: https://tessmasters.com/  

Podcast Website: https://ithastobeme.com/   

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YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/theblendergirl  

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So years ago, when I was living in LA, my friend Laurie put me on to these things called Yoga toes. And they're these little rubbery things that you stick between your toes, but like a similar shape that they put on you when you go and have a pedicure, and they help with the health of your fascia. And you walk on them, and you can rub your feet on them. And she said, test I'm telling you, you've got to look after your fascia, this incredible communication system around the body, and it's just got to be strong, in order for you to feel your best, just take them home, you're going to change your life. So I took them home, and I put them between my feet every day, for about two weeks. And my feet felt better. My posture and alignment was better, I just felt better. And so I became fascinated with fascia. And you know, I already had a foam roller and a rebounder and I started researching, you know, some of the modalities like Rolfing, and some other things that were really igniting the electricity, you know, and working with the fascia in your body. But I didn't understand the true power of it, I just knew that I wanted to learn more. So you know, when you enter a sphere of knowledge, and it just keeps getting validated and presented to you, that's what happened when I went and had lunch with some friends in Santa Monica, I met Lauren Roxburgh. And she's a body Structural Integration therapist and a fashion expert. And, you know, he knew all about the teachings and and studied, you know, Rolfing and all of these different modalities. And she was doing all of this fantastic stuff with rebounding and foam rolling. And we just had such an incredible conversation about the connection between really tapping into your body intelligence and that healing wisdom within your body physically, and the connection between how it opens you up emotionally. And when you are making decisions from that place. Your entire world opens up. And you know, when you meet somebody who's just got that magnetism and lifeforce energy and passion in their purpose, you just want to be around it. And you want to learn more about their secrets and integrate some of those things into your life. That's how I felt when I met her. And it's been really thrilling to just watch her explode, you know, through her work with Gwyneth Paltrow and goop and LeBron James and other sports stars and celebrities. But, you know, the weightless to work with her was just a mile long. And so it's so incredible that she's now taken her teachings to the masses. And every everybody can benefit from her wisdom, and all of this fantastic knowledge that she hasn't really fantastic practical strategies that you can integrate into your life to really tap into your full power and bring in the things that you want for your life. So I just had to invite her on the podcast so you can experience some of her magic. So let's get the skinny from Lauren Roxburgh ah, Lauren, it's so good to be here with you.

Thank you so much for joining me. Everybody. Lauren, also known as the body whisperer, I mean, what this woman can do with a foam roller and her intuition is just will blow your mind. She'll help you fix your pelvic floor, she'll help you rock a rebounder I mean, she is the most amazing world renowned Structural Integration, bodywork practitioner, or Pilates Pro. I mean, celebrities, sports stars come far and wide to have them open them up into all sorts of possibilities. She is the best selling author of the power source and taller, slimmer, younger, so many incredible programs that I just I just want you to know about her. Okay, so, Lauren, let's just dive right into it. I want to know, where this all started for you this journey of becoming this extraordinarily intuitive practitioner, and you taking it to the masses, you know, so that everybody can can be open to this incredible stuff that you teach. So what was the first it has to be me moment for you? Yes.

Oh, Tess. Thank you so much. That was so lovely. And thanks for having me. And I'm so happy to be here and have a conversation and share a story of you know, stepping into your power and hopefully becoming the more most authentic self that we can be. That's really a big part of my mission and also going and having these conversations with people like you because you've been doing this too for a long time. And it's been an honor to to witness your journey as well. So no, I'm

kind of obsessed with Lauren's Instagram, everybody like, Lauren, I'm obsessed with your Instagram because I just learned something every single day. I think I have saved more from your Instagram profile than anybody else's. So everybody go to Lauren's Instagram, every Lauren tell everybody so when a butcher handle, it's just

my name. If you just put in low rocks, it's low rocks. Brah. Everyone's like Roxburgh, but it's rocks are So, last name. No, but so my journey really started actually, it's so funny, the wellness world is just exploding now more than ever, it's a multibillion dollar industry. I've been doing this for over, you know, 30 years now, I got into this world, when I was very young. When my when I was 16, my mother was diagnosed with stage four breast cancer. I was living in Northern California. And so it was obviously quite a big deal to hear that news. And my mom young and healthy, we thought super vital. But um, yeah, so I actually drove her I just got my driver's license, and I drove her to Stanford University to get her some of her chemo treatments there, she had to go once a week, which is basically getting poison in your body, to hopefully have that poison, you know, kill the cancer before it kills the human. Yeah. I mean, what we know now, obviously, back then we didn't know as much, but I was lucky enough to pull a doctor aside and ask the doctor, so where does cancer come from? And like, what do you know about it, and the doctor was quite humble. And he said, Look, it's environmental, it's genetic. And there's a whole other piece of the puzzle that we don't understand. And so that just light bulbs went off for me. I was like, I'm gonna figure this out. There's more to the story here. And that's why I never chose the traditional kind of Western medicine path. And I went way more into obviously more integrative holistic, other types of healing modalities to understand where cancer comes from. So that was the beginning. And

was the beginning entry point for you nutrition? Or was it more of the body work? What was the entry point for you?

Yes, no, thank you for asking that. I think the most important thing for me at that time, at that age, I was a competitive swimmer athlete, all American swimmer, really, you know, good at my sport and excelling in that physically. But to me, actually, what inspired me more was starting to learn about how food can play an impact on how healthy you are and how vital you are. And back then, as you know, people weren't talking about that as much. I had a really amazing professor at my high school, actually, who was she was writing a book about, it was a biology professional. She was writing a book about nutrition. And so she got me really inspired. And I started looking at the food because I feel like that's the first thing as when you wake up, right? It's the first thing you're you're consuming every day. Yeah, realize that that's going to have an impact. And you start to feel a difference when you eat better. And you drink cleaner water. And yeah, nutrition was a big piece for me. So that was the beginning.

And so did your mom recover? Yes, actually.

So she was quite young at the time, the first time and we did a lot of different like this very integrative process. And she did recover and she got well, and she was on Tamoxifen for a period of time after that happened. And she actually was doing well. But later down the road, she actually stopped taking the medication because she couldn't afford it. So she was under a lot of stress. And she didn't tell anyone that she stopped taking it. And so she actually got, she got the cancer again, and it was way worse. And so unfortunately, she had it's a long story, but she had gotten into a position where there was just so much emotional pressure on her which is also a part of my, my story as well, realizing the so much of our health and vitality and well being is not just about what we eat and what we you know, what we eat and how we move. It's really so much about how we feel and how what we're vibrating from a frequency and vibrational standpoint as well emotionally. So

let's dive into that some more about this next, because your wellness journey and your teaching has come in stages of evolution, like all of us, but I'm so interested in yours. So you learned about the nutrition piece. You're an athlete that was training really hard, you were competing at an elite level, nationally, you know, when did you enter that space of kind of really sort of allowing that sort of physical knowing and that intuitive part of wellness? When did that open up for you?

I think that the bridge for me with that was really, you know, after I graduated from well, actually, before I graduated, I went and lived in Italy in Florence Italy. Yeah, it's

so beautiful that right? It's literally

another home for me. I'm not a town, like, you know, heritage, but I feel like I must have been in another one too.

It's my favorite place on earth. I lived in Florence for three months. I didn't live for a year or anything, but I loved it. Yeah, yeah. So

that actually that was a really big piece for me to see how another culture lives in the whole Mediterranean way of life and the way people are like live was such more of that Joie de Vivre lacks in that but they're enjoy In their food in their, in their food and there, they actually speak more with their mouths, like they're not as uptight as US American. Like the sensuality, there's a sensuality that I was introduced to going there and with beauty and food and movement and just like, but people don't work out there, or maybe they do now, but back then they're not at the gym, they're moving. They're going to walk, they're riding their bikes, they're, they're living and seen. Yeah, losing. So anyway, so for me, that was a big piece. And then after graduating from university, I thought, You know what, I don't think I'm going to be able to go into a regular desk job, it's just not my personality. And so I just decided to become a personal trainer. And then right after that first year of being a trainer, I found Pilates and so right away, it turned into this physical strength training athleticism thing, like like the force into more of this softer mind body, getting more into the flexibility. But mind you, I was so inflexible when I was an athlete, like literally, and this is why I've written the books that I've written about taller, slimmer, younger, and also the pelvic floor power source book, because I had I was those perfect candidates, like I was the tightest, the tightest pelvic floor, tightest jaw. I was so inflexible, I couldn't barely touch my toes. So physically rigid, which of course, emotionally as well. And I was sort of like a, like a white knuckling kind of person. Like just get it done control force. The feminine. Wasn't in me because of the physicality. I think so.

So you are really high masculine energy. Totally. Yeah. Really tight, dense, full with achievement.

Yes. Yeah. And there's no time to rest and you just keep going and pushing through and like this kind of posturing. It's even shows up in, you know, the things that we've studied in school, like the somatic posture and of like, hoisting your ribcage forward, right. That's a possible thing of like, I am capable. I can do anything. You know, I'm

powerful. Don't come near me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And

so then, I spent basically all my 20s Actually, another layer to this too, was I met my first husband when I was 19. I when I was at UCSB, and I was an athlete, and I was playing water polo. And that was that went with that version of myself. Right. So that masculine kind of energy, and then he was actually an addict. And so I do share this because it's important for people to know that I'm not I'm not just like on my soapbox, and I'm just like, got everything figured out. I had to go through it and turn my pain into purpose. And so yes, it did marry him. He was an addict. He had a lot of mental issues, and then addictive issues. And we spent, you know, basically all of my 20s with him. And then I was also studying all these healing modalities. So oh, gosh, were

you living my life?

I also buried it addict. Oh, my gosh. Oh, wow. Wow. Okay, keep going. Just like you she really my life right now. Yeah.

What it's like, but it's so we were on completely different paths. He was like going to dental school to become an endodontist. And he wasn't enjoying it. And it wasn't really his passion and purpose. It wasn't authentic. And I was like, going on this journey and like wanting to learn about all these different healing modalities and studying, you know, Kundalini Yoga, Reiki, Thai Yoga, massage, and then boom, like, in my late 20s 2928 29, I discovered the work of Ida Rolf which structural.

Tell us about that. It's so amazing.

Yes. And that was it was a really big turning point for me, because I went through that training for so I'll give you a little little bit of just detail about just Ida Rolf, first of all, was a rocket scientist in the 1960s. And she was studying the human body in gravity. And she discovered fascia. Now I know the Western world. I mean, that's in the Western world. In the ancient modalities, I VEDA, Chinese medicine, they've been talking about fascia languaging around it in the meridians and whatnot. But for the Western world, this was the woman who discovered it. And obviously, that was quite some time ago. And she's had a massive impact in the healing modalities and massive right, and we call it somatic bodywork. And so that's what Structural Integration is. It's the study of fascia in the human body and like how you basically show up in the world, postural Lee so it's not laying down and getting a massage. We're looking at someone and the way they move the way they breathe, every step they take. We're looking at their gait, how they present themselves. ofs from a personality standpoint. And there's a lot of dialogue that also happens in this type of bodywork. And one of either Ralph's mentors or apprentices was a gentleman named Joseph Heller. And he actually took her work to the next level and develop something called Heller work Structural Integration, which is like the evolution of the raw feed method, but bringing more of the emotional components. So I was lucky enough to study with a gentleman that started a school in Laguna Beach. And that was under the body of work of the Joseph Heller work, which brought in the emotional components. And so for me, as you can imagine, with everything I shared with my mother's journey, and seeing the emotional aspects, and then also me being an Unhealthy, Toxic marriage, I went through this two year program, which is like going to graduate school essentially. And it was like going through my own breakdown to bring my own perfect storm. So in the time that I was in the school for the Structural Integration, my marriage was falling apart. My mother was again, Ria, diagnosed with cancer, and it was very, she was actually dying. At the same time she died, we're walking through the fire walking through the fire, storm. Everything is culminating at the same time that runs out. I had a business in Manhattan Beach, which was a Pilates studio, slash bodywork, chiropractic, we had all kinds of beautiful healing modalities coming through there. And my business manager was stealing money from me. Oh,

she was

writing herself checks as well. So talk about because I handed her the keys while I was dealing with my mother divorce. And so anyway, you can imagine it exploded. But

I wouldn't invitation what an invitation. Right?

Yeah. Invitation

to, to return to self. Yes. Yes. It turned to love. I love Mary Williamson's book. Marianne Williamson's book the return to love I remember writer too. Yeah. Yes, it's yes, one. It's so powerful. So for me, I, yeah, walk through the fire. I've never said that. I love that. And I got my training. And then my mother passed. And three days later, this is crazy. And I think you're gonna, I think you probably have a similar thing. Three days later, I was introduced to My transcendental meditation teacher, my TM teacher Beth. And I just met her and it was like, you know, you get that the chills you're like this is so meant to be she's like I'm someone wants to gift you need to do TM because I was like, had no money. I was like, broke. I don't know, I'm just over it. I'm like, over life over like relationships and never getting married again, don't want kids like done it up. So then I did the training with her. And that was so transformative, not only in dealing with the grief of losing a loved one, especially you know, your mother or someone very close like that. And then also the shift of my energy and frequency completely changed as I cleared away all the stuff from the fascial work. And then the mind with the TM. It was like, then three months later, the universe sent me my now love of my life. My husband,

Oh, he's so amazing. It's like this great partnership of storytelling and love. And oh, my goodness,

oh, yeah. So it's a while it's a little bit of a wild journey. And it is not perfect.

But gosh, nothing is perfect. And we learn so much from every single experience. And when we become more interested in the exploration of sense of self and less interested in the Persona construction, everything opens up, I want to ask you about this, this journey from being an athlete and training really hard and having to show up and kind of pushing and kind of that sort of energy of like, we just try so hard when you were younger. And we want to work in an elite Elite level to this journey where you are now of just being open and kind of just allowing and being in the flow and listening and listening in a different way. Like where did that pick up for you that enables you to see people so clearly now.

I think when I started realizing that we really are energy, and that our our energy is our algo algorithm. Our energy is the thing that makes us magnetic to what is you know what we're attracted to really thinking in the quantum terms. I know a lot of people talk about the law of attraction and manifestation. Well, we're always manifesting all the time. You don't need to like, turn on manifestation. Always manifesting. But what we need to do is realize it's not changing the outside, it's changing the inside, which is what changes which is what happened to me with, you know, the meditation and, and the bodywork and getting into the fascia because the fascial work is what changes your ability to be magnetic. When you love that this commute it's so should we talk about what fascia is just

one week of you reading my mind. I mean, you and I like in simpatico here. I was just gonna say, if you're listening, going, I don't even know what fisheries do not feel bad about that. Because that is lots of people. In fact, most people. So let's talk about what fasher actually is, and why we really need to care about it. Yes.

So when I discovered it back in, what was it 2008, basically. And so when I discovered it, people were like, Why does she care about fascia? Fascia like, anyway. Now we know so fascia has been there, in our bodies, as long as we've been humans, right. But we just never knew that it was playing such an had a huge role in the vitality of our body. So basically, what fascia is, is this body wide connective tissue network that wraps around your entire body like a full body wetsuit, it's right underneath your skin, it's above your muscles. But now it all we know it actually wraps around, or wraps around each muscle, but also weaves through and touches every cell of your body and every system of your body, all 12 systems. And so it's actually now we used to call it the body's glue. They used to throw it away and medical, like anatomy kind of cadaver dissections, they just throw it away, like it's the packing wrap of the body. Together. Well, little did they know that's because they were studying it in a dead body. Now as medical technology has evolved, and cameras, infrared cameras, we can actually see things and in living bodies. And so now what they've discovered, and this is not just woowoo, I mean, I've known this for years intuitively, but now we can actually scientifically validate. It's a communication network within our bodies. So it's sending and receiving information, frequency, vibration, energy, heat, emotions, even cellular waste, because the fascia is the pump to the lymphatic system. So this system in the body is now because we have the science to validate it. And the medical technology has evolved so much, we now can show in data, how profound it is. And actually in the New Scientist, it's a it's a new publication on a new publication. It's it's a more evolved scientific publication. And they called it a site of biological activity. And so what that means is that it's going to have a huge impact in the way we study cancer, inflammation, digestive issues, hormone issues, all the things are going to the fat. So fascia is going to be we're just at the beginning of this really exciting moment for the zoo inside our bodies. It's so

amazing. So let's talk about some of the things that are so great for helping us maintain the integrity of our fascia. So like this is why you love foam rolling and rebounding. Right.

Yes, exactly. So essentially, what happens as we age or in a typical, like human that's aging, like chronologically is that your fascia will essentially dry up, it will lose its hydration, it will lose its suppleness. And so what fashion is actually made out of is collagen and elastin and hyaluronic acid. And so as as we know, as we age, our collagen breaks down. And that's when we actually end up getting you know wrinkles and we lose actually connection to the muscles, the muscles start to atrophy. And we start to get actually shorter, which is why I called my book taller, slimmer, younger because it's not just like oh, I want to be taller, it's actually that you get taller, you gain an inch in height or and you lose a pant size when you're aligned in your body and your fascia is flowing. So when you're fascia aging is a form of dehydration, your fascia will become thick and brittle and dense and well in case a lot of these toxins inside of us and now we know also not only the toxins, you know from the environment, but also emotional energy can be stuck in the fascia as well. A lot of people believe that the fascia is the subconscious mind. You know, you've heard people say, there's the mind and the body and the body is the subconscious. And so more and more research and we can start to see that when you hold these emotions in your body. You also can hold on actual physical weight too. So it's a huge piece for people, if they're looking to want to lose weight, whether it's physical or emotional weight. So really what we need to do is get the flow in the tissues, and what are the things that you can do to get flow. Of course, the number one thing I recommend all the time is to use the foam roller. Now, most people will go, Oh, I'm just gonna roll out my tea ban, you got to start thinking of the body as more of a system, right as a, like, if you're gonna work on one area of the body, you're also affecting the whole entire system. So really starting to think like if I'm gonna roll out my head, that could actually have an impact on my pelvic floor. Or if I'm going to roll out my feet, that can also impact my jaw, starting to think of the body more holistically. And so I'm

like, relax, try to relax my job while I'm listening to you. Yes, I'm noticing tension there.

Exactly. It's so and I love how you make these connections. Again, I just have to say, you've got to follow Lauren on Instagram. Okay, she's got so many amazing exercises and stuff. She's got this fantastic reset guy, but this tool is slimmer, younger, 21 day foam rolling program. If you go to laurenroxburgh.com, I cannot recommend it more highly. You will, you will feel like a different person. At the end of the 21 days. It's so amazing. Yes, Lauren, I'm available to be your publicist any day. Yeah, it's so incredible. I want to ask you about this emotional piece of, of what you've discovered through your work, of how this work that you do this alignment work that you do, helps us to open up emotionally to shed things that don't serve us to be able to go deeper, and go on that inner journey through this physical work that you do with people.

Yes, okay. So that's, that's where we're at right now in the world. So what what science is now calling interoception, which is what we would call feeling. Fascia is now being considered sort of the origin of feeling and the sense of feeling and so where we're feeling that intro ception is in our fascia. And so what's really exciting to me about that is that we've been living in this world of kind of, you know, reading all these books and listening all these podcasts, the information is maybe here in the head, right, the cerebral part of us might understand it. But there's a whole new level of healing and standing and stepping into your power and your authenticity and shedding all the layers of the past through embodiment. And so I know you've studied this and done a lot of document. And what embodiment means is just coming back into living in your body and listening to the language of your body. So a lot of people don't realize that our body is constantly speaking to us all through the day through interoception, which is, you know, think of it like the sense of when you're hungry, or you're thirsty, or you need to go the bathroom, right? That's all happening in our intro ception into it's actually sensory receptors, there's over 250 million that we know of, I think there's more sensory receptors in our fascia and our connective tissue, a lot of them reside in the gut. Yes. So as you can imagine, connecting all the dots, all the dots here as well. So we know that we have these senses, right? We have the sense of arousal, we have the sense of hunger, thirst, but then there's also the senses of your gut instincts and your intuition. Yeah, listening. With your subconscious more. I mean, there's books written on this right? Go with your instinct go with that, versus that. So it's thinking, not only in the from the mind, but it's actually feeling from the body. And that part that I feel like in the world we're living in now, people are more ready than ever with all the trauma, the collective trauma, or individual trauma we've all been through over the last five years or so. It's a it's a time now where people are like, especially with AI coming into the world. Yeah, we need to think more, we need to think bigger. So a lot of people you've heard this quote, I'm sure before but your thoughts are electric, and your feelings are magnetic. So what we're feeling is what we attract. Yeah, well, that's a powerful moment to Okay. So, oh, and I can actually change the way I feel by just overriding the thought and also releasing some of the old what I like to call it as the backlog of emotions from the past. We have the backlog of emotions from the past carrying around us physically or in our by in our they call it the bio field, which is also known as the aura. What happens is, you're just going to attract more of that. I mean, it is quantum physics, right? So the more you can show shed this backlog of emotional stuff from the past. Because as we know, you know, it's that famous Buddha quote, it's like swallowing anger is like, basically, or sorry, carrying around anger is like swallowing poison and expecting the other person to die. And so the thing is that our emotional state isn't going to make that person feel worse, it's only going to make us feel worse. So when we do the work of forgiveness, and beyond forgiveness is the gratitude of the experience, then that's when the healing starts happening. So you can't heal your way, you cannot heal your way out of, you know, negative emotions, you can't like, green juice your way out of. Oh,

it would be so much easier if we could.

Look, yeah, it's so interesting, you know, because we've been taught that our brain is the most important thing, it's only one part of this huge intricate messaging system around our body. And we value or some people value talk therapy, you know, and that absolutely has its place. But this, this intuitive somatic practice, and and the the communion with itself, and listening to the signs in the body is what you do so beautifully. I want to ask you about this shift that you made from working with all of these celebrities at this really elite level. I mean, your wait list was so insane when you took off, and you started working with goop. And I mean, you just exploded. I mean, you couldn't get into see you, you know, for a personal session. And one of the things I really respect and love and admire about you is that you just keep it real, there is just a sea of practitioners. And you could have made a fortune, just seeing a handful of people a day had a lovely life. But it just wasn't in alignment with your mission. And so you wanted to take it to as many people as possible and make it as accessible as possible. And you've done that so beautifully. Can you talk me through that process that it has to be me moment? Yes,

absolutely. So yeah, with that waitlist. And I was like, I mean, I was loving it, I got to witness a miracle every time we do sessions and go deep, but I really did have a calling, like the calling was like, this message needs to be universal. It needs to be out there to the world globally. And so it was like this little kind of thing inside of me like it just kept talking like you got it. So what are you going to do? How are you going to get this out there. And that's when you know, I did discover the foam roller when I was studying Pilates. And so I had been using the foam roller for so long already. And then I was giving my clients homework on the roller because after we do a session, they'd be like, how do I keep this going. And you should see the old photos. It was like taking photos or videos or like the worst photos. And then I'm texting them to the client, like do these five moves, saw going and they did them and they actually got like amazing results. And so then I was super lucky to be introduced to a great book agent. And I said look, I can create a program because I've been doing this with my clients. And so we created the program taller, slimmer young book. And then I was like, Okay, this is going so well, we need to do a video course to go along with it. And then we put a meal plan with it. And obviously as you know, with your expertise as well, how powerful when we add the food aspect, which Yeah, my passion as well. And then the detox protocol as well. So putting this thing all together, which are all the things I was giving my clients and they were doing them and they were having these insane results. And all of a sudden I realized that the program stood on its own and I didn't even have to touch someone for them to get the benefits because you through the through the the education and explaining to them what's going on in their body and how actually how powerful they are, how powerful each human is and the miracle that we have pulsing through our bodies, this incredible healing energy that's available to us at any time. It's the lifeforce energy that gets us up in the morning. That gets us moving. It's that peasy, oh, electricity, that electricity that gets ignited through movement through, you know, putting the foam roller on your body. When you put pressure on the tissues. It simulates pressure, electricity, which is what PCO electricity is. So all of a sudden, we were having these incredible results. People were losing so much weight, like physical and emotional, their skin was more radiant, their digestion improved because they're working the body. They're twisting, they're inverting, they're, they're wringing themselves out. And so when you're doing these types of I call it movement medicine or energy medicine, you're not just working out and this is what you and I kind of spoke about, which is this type of work does lay between the fitness world and the somatic world. It's is beautiful in between both. So you get the fitness benefits probably from my history and background and Pilates. But you get these incredible energetic benefits of letting go of the baggage of the past and stepping into your power and shedding the armor. That armor is the thing that slows us down. That makes us congested, that creates inflammation that stores the shit in the cells, you know?

Yeah. And we think of it as protection. We think of the armor as like, this is my strength, you're not getting near me, you're not going to touch me. Well, then you're not going to touch me

you're not you know, and I will say, we do need the armor in certain moments in our lives. Yeah, so Okay, and we don't want to be like, Don't armor up ever. But think of it almost like a wound that's healed. And now you're in the cocoon. Now you need to shut it. It's like every and it

can be fluid. It can be like the lining of the small intestine, it can let things out but can also not you know, and let things in and also not you know, and it can be this lovely, fluid permeable thing that ships I mean, I, I just, I just, I just love this. I'm, like, geeking out on this. Let's, let's keep going. I want to ask, I mean, it's, I want to ask you in your personal life, so you know, as, as a practitioner, as an educator, as a teacher, as a guide, as a mentor all of these hats that you wear? How does it affect you in your personal relationships as a wife as a mother? Totally? How does that set intuition at that knowing allow you to be present in relationship with others?

This is such a beautiful question. Because really what it is, it's the beingness is what will show up with it's not me telling them what to do. I mean, of course there are conversations and language conscious language and education of well, what you know what that food you're going to put in your mouth. What's it going to do for you that education part is always happening in our in our lives, but I also don't want to be aggressively getting my kids to be too obsessed about it, too, because there are people that now are like, I mean, some of these kids are a little traumatized by these like obsessive compulsive wellness people, because yeah,

that's another form of disordered eating and disordered being and dysmorphia is just, you know, mindful eating has become synonymous with they only eat healthy. Well, no, I like paying attention to the eating experience without judgment, just being present with what is being

present. I mean, yes, when we can make good decisions we do and but the reality is, is that you can't be good or not not be good. That's even not a good way to explain it. You can't be perfect all the time with food because you can't

be perfect anytime. Like it's just doesn't exist perfection, right? You, you can be better. But sometimes we're going to eat the donut with a friend and laugh and make a beautiful memory. And it's going to be a great donut. Ha,

Leila you. It's so true. And that's the thing. I feel like I've always been like, I don't even really want to put myself in the wellness world category. Because I do feel like it's a little bit too extreme. And I always have Yeah, the 8020 rule. And

I do the 8020 go yes,

Florence, Italy, it's all about Xuan A, B. Yeah, well, you were supposed to enjoy food we're supposed to enjoy connection and our bodies, our bodies are supposed our bodies are one true home, we're supposed to enjoy these vessels. That's what they're here for. We are not here to beat them up to push them around to try to force them into this box. That is not the way I roll. So my whole thing is, well

I love that not the way I roll.

As you know, it's so much more of this kind of serpentine like that Kundalini the feminine so as you can imagine gone from way masculine from the force and the pushing through and the aggressive aggressiveness and you know, and that actually did not give me the results that I've found in this new way of doing it which I guess it's not new anymore because I have been doing it now for quite a while but how does it show up in my relationships and my family and my friends is that I just show them through been through the meanness and what I've what I've really realized is that there is a lot more power in the embodiment and the beingness and actually you transmit the message to others without saying a word by just being it by showing up and showing people that I am a mess sometimes and I'm not perfect and you know like there's always but I show up with still that kind of I guess that energy that frequency

Magnetism, you absolutely embody that I remember the first time I met you at create Some juice in Santa Monica. And I just sat there opposite you eating my salad going, Who is this woman like, whatever she's eating and drinking and thinking and reading, I'm gonna do it too, you know,

I mean, it was just this effortless, just so comfortable in your own skin and your own being and it was just infectious. I mean, you, you absolutely embody exactly what you're talking about. so beautifully. So thank you for how you show up. I want to ask you about this la thing, you know, because we met in LA, we both lived in LA for many, many, many years. moved around, you know? And then you just decided you're gonna go stay in New Zealand for this extended period of time. What what what was that decision based on? And what what have you learned from being outside of, of the little bubble of LA? Oh,

my gosh, well, first of all, I grew up in Northern California, as I mentioned earlier, and so I never really ever thought I would end up in LA. But you know, went to UC Santa Barbara met the the husband there who was from LA from Brett. So I just was catapulted into the LA fold. And I clearly was meant to go there for a lot of different reasons. But and obviously, it has served my career and it put me in the right place at the right time, I guess I would say, but um, I love

it. Like, don't get me wrong, like, oh, gosh, I've lived in LA for 30 years. And I love it. Yeah, yeah.

So I mean, for me, personally, I guess having small children during COVID that were at the age in 2023. And seven, oh, you know, we're doing like the Zoom school. And we were just like, oh, this is and we're trying to work. And actually work was going well. And we had just launched the a few years earlier. Actually, we had just launched the Align live studio, the app. And so it was going really well. And as you can imagine, in 2020, there weren't as many creators, doing apps like that at the time. So our business just exploded. So we Yeah, and that is an amazing resource. Right?

Yeah. Oh, thank you. Thank you. So with ease,

I'm sorry, I didn't say that. In the beginning. I apologize. Laurens the co founder of aligned life studio, it's so incredible. And we will put the link in the show notes for sure. But yeah, it is a great resource. Yeah.

So that that actually became after we did the book, The taller, slimmer younger book. And then we did the course. And then the power source book. Everyone was like, What can I do now I want to do more, I want to go into this lifestyle. And so we birth the the app, because it's where I put all my creative. And always all the things I put in there. They've all I've all tried them experimented with them. And I know they work. And so we just, it's my library now. And so when I create, I create custom programs for people sometimes and I can pull from my library. And it's incredible because now, I mean, I like I said before, I used to take my phone and like record little videos of this amazing app with like, beautifully curated and, you know, produce content. That's all very educational. And so the app has been a huge piece. So that was the really the moment for us. Small children. My husband's from New Zealand. He's a kiwi. And so he was living in LA to for about 10 years before we met. So he had been there. We were doing great. We were thriving in LA, but we thought you know what, the universe is calling us to go back his mother just passed away in January of 2020. And so we were actually being called to come back. And he had a family house like an old batch in New Zealand on this acre of land. So we live in this tiny little batch now we've updated it, but we've got this massive lot of nature. So we were called to Wanaka, which is Yeah, in the Maori culture, the the actual interpretation of that is place of learning. Yeah. So when I came back, when we came back as a family, it was great, because there was no COVID for a whole year. So we actually had a lot more freedom. Yes, like kids were at school and things and so and then of course, we got back to the land, we started making everything from scratch. We did the whole frickin homesteading thing, which I know is like, you know, going viral now online right now on social media. We did all of that. We didn't even know what we were doing. But we know that. We're like, actually, we still have our house in LA. But we were like, You know what, the kids are thriving here. And it's a really good place to grow up as a young person. Yeah, it's a beautiful country. My parents lived in New Zealand for 10 years. Oh, yeah. My dad was working for air Pacific years and years ago. They were living in Auckland, but it's just a beautiful country.

I honestly would never have ever thought if you had told me 10 years ago. You're going to be living at the bottom of the earth in the Southern Alps in New Zealand. I would fucking weigh in here I am every day so it is weird though, because I'm a California girl. I'm a beach girl. I love The sunshine. So I do have my moments where How are you doing with that colder weather as we head into, you know, the middle of May.

We're going back to California for a few months to do see family and friends. So we do spend, like a couple months in the state or you're chasing the sun. That's what I do. Absolutely, we do. So we're lucky that we can do that with our work and stuff, because it's so remote. And it's actually great, because our audience is mostly in America right now. So I've got to get back there and see our community as well.

Yeah. So what do you find challenging. So you help so many people get out of their own way, or see the way or open up and shed things and, you know, find a deeper connection with their sense of self? What do you find challenging? Like, what? What are you rub up against the most?

Oh, this is? Yeah, no, I think you'll I think you'll identify with this. But what I find the most challenging right now is the amount of fluff that's out there in the world. And the amount of just, I don't know, I don't want to say competition, because that's not the word. But it's like, I just feel like there's a lot of people saying on their soapbox and telling you what to do, but they're not living it. So that's my biggest frustration is that if you're gonna go out and be a leader, a thought leader, and you're gonna help guide people, you better be living that life, you better be breathing that. And I'm talking about not being so obsessive, like people are so obsessed, and then they get. And I think it's just that people are going after the wrong thing. They're looking for the answers outside of themselves. And so the most frustrating thing for me personally, is that I just would love for more people just to actually try. And I'm not saying that has to be exactly like, you have to do it this way. But try some of these incredible self healing practices, just do them for yourself. Because I think what's happens is people think that they have to be so aggressive. And so I don't know, just really uptight about it. And I just think that that's really fun. So I think the hardest thing for me is to get people to realize that less is more, and that they can actually soften themselves into this radiance that we have just never been taught.

So when you're rubbing up against that, and it frustrates you, what's a tool that you pull out of your toolbox like so for example, something you can give us? So you wake up in the morning and you read, you see something on the news? And it's like, really? Come on, you know, and you already start to get into that tense place. What what are some practices, some of your favorite practices to get into alignment or to balance or whatever words you what word would you use to, to redirect yourself? Yeah, I

would say the word there what are the term would be like, Just get yourself grounded, right to tune back in to call your energy back into yourself. Because I think what happens to is we go through life and we go through stressful things, or we're watching, like you said, the news and all of the waves of emotional things that we can go on this kind of journey, right? And then we're just like constantly being like tax or adrenals, or being taxed, we're going into that fight or flight or freeze constantly throughout the day. But we actually don't have to do that. So the most important thing for me is to always come back, find my feet, feel myself, remember, I'm here and now come back into the present moment. Try that, you know, we mentioned it earlier, the cyclical sigh, which is the most profound way to rebalance your nervous system, which is just taking that double inhale and doing that beautiful deep sigh and make some noise when you say that vibrates, you're using your voice like sound medicine, sound healing, to vibrate out any swallowed emotions. So doing that periodically, I actually do it like we laugh because we all do it now in my family and we're all we laugh at each other like, Okay, what's going on? Are you okay? Beautiful tool that you can weave into your day periodically before meeting after a meeting, to get to call yourself back into, you know, it actually stimulates the vagus nerve as well, which brings you into your passion and helps you calm down a little bit more to be more clear, as well when we're in that fight or flight mode and our energy is fragmented and all over the place and outside of us. We're not going to make the right choices. We're not going to be in tune with our intuition or interoception and our instincts, and so there's a powerful thing that happens when you call yourself back into your body. You tune in to the intelligence of your body. The Your body knows exactly what to do and it will tell you what you need to do and it will help you even to regulate. You know your hunger it will help you regulate your hormones, all of those things. So coming and bringing yourself back into the moment into the present moment using the cyclical sigh. Jumping on the rebounder for like two minutes a day is a phenomenal way also to just, you know, give your body a little massage, they say in massages every cell of your body when you bounce on the rebounder, and you only need to do it for about two minutes. And it's a full energetic purge.

Jumping on that rebound, and that is the greatest and it's fun. It also engages that childlike play that kind of, you know, as well as the lymphatic benefits, and you know, the energetic, but it just, it just makes me feel happy,

hopefully. And it does that it stimulates endorphins as well. And so it's one of my most powerful and potent tools. I think of it as a holistic healing tool. I don't even think about it as a fitness tool. I know people love that it does make you lose weight, if that's something that's needed. But I also, you know, anything you can do to just stand up and do a couple shoulder rolls, get your head move and a little bit, put your fingers on your ribs and move your neck around to release the neck. You know, you can do a little like jaw massage, you can even do the ear polls, and all. It brings you back into your body. And so the thing is, we're in our head. We're just like overthinking. And it's like this. It's like this monkey mind, right? So in a way, it's almost like these things are like meditative right. So anything that you do that takes you out of your mind and into your body is actually meditation. We've been trained that it Oh,

thank you for like removing any of the mystique about some of these things, right? Like people I can't meditate? Well, actually, there's lots of things that we'd be classified as meditation. So thank you for, for saying that. Again, Lauren shares so many of these little practices on her instagram at lo Roxborough array, I will put I will put it in the show notes. I'm telling you, you, I will be shocked if you're not as addicted to her Instagram as I am, like the greatest. So you talked before about one of the things that you rub up against is this frustration that we're not focusing on the things that we should be to paraphrase you what you said a minute ago, what would you say? The things that you would like us to focus on? Yes,

so the things that are things that you can actually get your nervous system to become balanced again. And that doesn't mean to always be relaxed. It's really that we've just been in this force this pushing through the control. We've been in that state for the last however many years. And now we're coming into a world where we can balance that energy with the energy of flow of surrender of allowing, and that's the magnetism, right? So the, like we said, the thoughts are electric, and the feelings are magnetic, and the thoughts are masculine, and the feelings are feminine. And so it's like, that's where you start to realize, like if something if you're coming up against a wall, and something is not working, for instance, there's a reason that that isn't working or unfolding in the exact way that you are planning it that you want it to show up. And there's a greater reason. And if you trust that process, and you realize that it's all going to happen when it's supposed to that doesn't mean you don't need to show up and do the work. It is crazy how that magnetism will just help you attract that. And so that's the most important thing to me is that people can start to realize that if they start working with their body, and they start listening to their body, that the transformations and this is where people just go, that's impossible. How is that possible? No, it is possible I, I am I had to go through it myself. And now we have 1000s of women and some men all over the world that have done this, and they are living in a different frequency and in different vibration and they are attracting different things and they make different choices the most. It's a smooth evolution comes in to me. Yeah, the more we can get people to find that peace within themselves. That's how the peace shows up in the world. But when you give your you give your attention to all of that stuff that's happening, like the fear base, the fear mongering, then all of a sudden, you've lost you've given away your power. So call your power back in, the only thing that you can do is change the way you react and respond. Hopefully not react but respond to situations and scenarios and be in your power. And when you can stand in your power and make choices from that authentic power. Then you are the one that's changing the world. And that's the ripple effect.

Yes, yes. So I'm kind of excited about this little next chapter for you because we can't clone you. I wish we could just So now you've got a certification training program coming up, right? Can we talk about that? Or are we allowed to do

the best? Tests is so awesome? Yes. So as you know, I've been doing this for quite a while as you have we've been in this Yeah, free in this world for so long. And yeah, I feel really excited because I get to hand the torch over to whoever is ready to kind of become a body whisperer, right? And to awaken the body whisper within them essentially, through, are you making me want to do this?

I know, it's so it's so exciting. So we're launching, we're gonna do a little beta at the end of this year. And then we're going to launch early in early 2025. And it's called the body intelligence method. And it's basically helping you learn how to awaken the intelligence of your body through the intelligent system, the intelligent web within us our fascia connective tissue. And so we use the roller in this training. And then we have four pillars. So the first pillar is to basically get yourself online. So I I've called fascia and a couple other podcasts I've shared with people that the way I see fascia, especially in this world of AI, artificial intelligence, we're going to need to even more than ever tune in and enhance our BI, because our BI is gonna keep us from selling ourselves to AI. Yes, there's a beautiful opportunity right now that people humans are being asked to do so some people are gonna choose to sell themselves to AI. And that's fine. I have no judgment, there's a whole nother crop of people that are ready to awaken this like dormant DNA within us this this incredible intelligence within us. And so the four pillars are really, the first part is getting your fascia which I call the Wi Fi of your body, getting your fashion. Yeah, your Wi Fi getting your Wi Fi online. So it's like activating your fascia activating your connective tissue. So it's some somatic practices that we weave through to get yourself online to get connected. And then we go through a process of basically mobilization and stabilization, which is about like strength and flexibility and resilience and building that powerful strength through awareness and connection and using gravitational force to do that, and the PCO electricity, electricity, the pressure, electricity, and then we finish it off with what we call integration. And so basically, practitioners, or therapists will learn how to embody this work in level one, and then level two, they'll be able to teach the work as well. So because you can't, like we said earlier, you have to embody it. First, you have to actually know it by heart. You have to be able to feel it in your body to really be able to not just talk about it, but actually show it and in the way you move and the way you show up in your life.

And so how long is that course going to pay?

It's about a three month program, the introductory one and it's all done online. And then the next level we'll we'll be doing some stuff in person hopefully in Hawaii. That's the plan. Oh, that would be good.

Oh, I'm telling you, I'm seeing you going. I want to learn how to do that. I mean, I feel like you have X ray vision when you work with people. It's just kind of amazing, you know, so Oh, gosh, I truly when I heard that you were going to be doing that and teaching you know this to other people. I just made me so excited. I just feel like yeah, we did you just feel that calling was that and it has to be a moment for you. It was tests

it really was actually it was I've been asked for this for about the last probably when I you know first came out on goop. People were like, I want to get trained and certified by you. But I just wasn't I didn't feel like I was ready and I had small children and now my kids are getting older and I just feel like it's this is the time I'm 46 Now, I've been doing this for a long time and now I actually really do feel and I'm also aligning and CO creating this with the one of the most important people in our industry in the Hello works Structural Integration industry. His name is Dan Beaton Feld and I'm so lucky that he's my co creator and porn. So we get and then eventually we'll be teaching people how to do the actual hands on bodywork in the ascension of the certification, the correct

Yeah, oh, I cannot wait to hear about how this all plays out in the next year. Oh, this is just so wonderful. So I close every episode with the same question. Which is because you you really do listen, you listen to yourself and others. And you allow things to come in and out in flow and be there and you sort of just move with what is and be present. What would you say to somebody listening, who has a dream in their heart and they don't feel like they have what it takes to make it happen. What would you say to them, I

would say that, first of all, that dream is so important, that is the greatest gift that anyone gifted in this lifetime. It's like, that is what we're meant to do. We're meant to Discover the Gift and then give that gift to the world. And that gives us a gift as well when we give it. And so what I would say is hold on to that gift and go deeper into it, even if it's what we could call a side hustle in the beginning, which is what it was for me when I first started out. Um, yeah, that's me to write the plot. Yeah, was a side hustle. And I was working with the clients personally one on one. And so I think it's just a matter of really tuning in to what is your authentic gift in your authentic purpose. And if you have that, if you're connected to that, hold on to that and hold it so sacred, and give yourself every day, just maybe 10 or 20 minutes to do a little work on it or journaling. And really believe it from yourselves like this. Feel it like we were saying that magnetism feel into it. You don't need to say, oh, I need to work with Gwyneth Paltrow, or anything like that. That did not happen for me. Like I was never like, I want to work with one altro. No, I just found the thing that I was so passionate about. And I had so much purpose behind the message that she came into my life as a client. And so and then that happened with like LeBron James, and all of those things. So the more I think the more you tune in, like we're saying, don't look on the outside, tune into your own stuff, tune into that magnetism that's available to you that power that you everyone has, then actually the those people will literally just fall into your life. And it is. I mean, I can speak from experience. It does happen. It's quantum

I just feel the magic. I feel like my fascia is just it's just so fabulous.

Mine. Oh, we're alive. Yeah.

Oh, thank you for this beautiful conversation. Ah, absolutely. SNA follow and stalk Lauren on Instagram. All right, I that's, that's what I'm gonna say. And you can find her at Laurenroxburgh.com and the line life studio, please get her free body reset guide as well, because it is just full of amazing information. There are just so many great tips. And so accessible and real, as you've probably gotten the gist throughout this conversation that she keeps it real, which is why I love her so much. Thank you, Lauren. I'm excited to see what happens next.

Oh, thank you so much for having me. And also, I'm just so grateful for our relationship. We've known each other for so many years now. I love it.

I know it's so beautiful. Thank you, I love you.

Thank you. I love you too.

I don't know about you, but I am fired up about fascia and harnessing the power of my body intelligence, when she spoke about BI body intelligence versus AI, artificial intelligence that really resonated with me with the ascension of AI and just choosing to value our body intelligence and that internal wisdom, you know that our energy is our algorithm and mechanism of attraction and your thoughts are electric and your feelings are magnetic. And that what you're feeling is what you attract. And you can change the way that you feel by harnessing you know this energy with these movement, this movement medicine with the foam roller by applying pressure to your body in order to override the thoughts and the emotions of the past that can often drive our narrative and our choices when she talked about moving beyond forgiveness and into the gratitude for the experience and that that's where the true healing is. I've certainly experienced that in my life. I talked about that in episodes one to four of the podcast. And I definitely experienced that with her work. And that stepping into your power is about shedding the armor, you know, that slows you down that really resonated those those those things that just don't serve us those thoughts and the emotions that we hold on to from our past experiences. And that so much of our health and well being is about the emotional frequency that we choose to vibrate at and you know, just bringing the power back to you and calling in your energy by getting grounded. You know, with this work the cyclical sigh is such an amazing practice, you know, and the foam roller and the rebounding to reset your energy and get grounded and connected with what you really want and making choices from that place. You know, when she talked about balancing the energy of control and force with the energy of flow and surrender and allowing that we don't have to aggressively chase things to call in the magnetism that really resonated with me because I can be a pusher, you know, and I just kind of want to make things happen. So when she said you know, you can soften yourself into this radiance that really spoke to me that was like a big warm hug. But her her words about your dream is the most important thing and it's your greatest gift and you're meant to discover it and share it with the world so you know, hold on to it and and go deeper into it and just hold it sacred and choose to believe in it with every cell in your being and put some time and energy into that dream every single day. You know, finding that thing you're passionate about and and finding the purpose within it. That that's what we're all meant to be doing. So, so embodies it has to be very right so yeah, I can't wait to hear what you think about this episode. So definitely join our community. I'm excited to to hear about it.