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It is the season for all things spooky, and there’s no reason astrologers should miss out on the fun. Tristan Paylor returns to the Hotline to help Kyle dive into the strikingly relevant birth charts of two classic figures of horror - Damien Thorn and The Vampire Lestat. While the characters may be fictitious, their birth charts are as real as it gets.
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Hello and welcome to astrology hotline podcast where we answer a whole year chart astrology questions. And joining me today for this special Halloween episode is Kristen Taylor.
Tristan Paylor:Hello. Hello, everyone. Happy spooky season.
Kyle Pierce:I'm very excited to have you on today. Because it's been been a few months.
Tristan Paylor:Yeah, it's been a while I'm excited to be here. I don't even know and
Kyle Pierce:how many months it's been since anything. I feel like time it just keeps going by so fast and I don't like it.
Tristan Paylor:Yeah, it could slow down a bit.
Kyle Pierce:Scorpio season is a good time to contemplate the persistent decay of your existence moment by moment.
Tristan Paylor:I think that's a beautiful way of it's a great time to think about that. And I love persistent decay.
Kyle Pierce:Well, speaking of which, yeah, we got we got ourselves. Halloween coming up. It's, what? Three days? Three days to Halloween.
Tristan Paylor:Yeah, the day after? It's on Monday. Right. And we're recording on Friday. I remember what the days of the week are. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Monday, three days. So
Kyle Pierce:now the pressure is on me to actually get this out before Halloween. So I think it'll happen. I'm three Slayer believe in me.
Tristan Paylor:I believe in you. The power of the sun in Scorpio. Yeah. Because we have some Scorpio heavy charts to look at today. We do. So I think the sun in Scorpio is gonna support you and
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, honestly, I think I don't know. You said Aquarius is your favorite sun sign. Remember once
Tristan Paylor:favorite sun sign? Yeah, I would say so.
Kyle Pierce:I think Scorpios are my favorite sun sign and probably my favorite Mercury sign as well.
Tristan Paylor:That's a good Mercury sign. Yeah, Mercury in Scorpio is so cool. I just like I can hear like Anwar detective film music in my head. Whenever I see Mercury in Scorpio.
Kyle Pierce:Like everybody I know so many Mercury in Scorpio is to it's honestly probably of all the planets to have in Scorpio Mercury I think is my favorite. It's just it is it's like deeply
Tristan Paylor:I do have a Mercury in Scorpio chart prepared. So we've got your favorite. Your favorite Mercury placement? Have we let listeners know what we're doing? Yeah, no, we haven't. But I
Kyle Pierce:you listen to our last Halloween special, we're going to be doing a similar thing we did last time because that one went so well. Honestly, that was still one of my favorite episodes.
Tristan Paylor:Gouki intro buki and drew.
Kyle Pierce:The air was filled with mirthful tittering in the stairwell chimes of carousel music as children reveled in the antics of clowns in the wilds of magicians, while their parents mingled and
Kyle Pierce:Hey, look at me. Remember here. Damien smiled back at her, amused to see Holly, his nanny calling to him from such a silly location. His mother was less than amused, however, in instinctively pluck the
Kyle Pierce:horror erupted from beyond the purses Catherine shielded her son's eyes from grotesque seen before them. As the party guests got EPA nanny suspended corpse in the stunned silence which followed young
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, so I chose for this Halloween special the birth chart of Damien Thorne. Who is if you're not familiar with the The Omen movies, I feel like even if you haven't seen the the movie, The Omen
Tristan Paylor:give me a cooler.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, Damien's a pretty awesome name. Yeah, it's a good one. Yeah. Well, Damien Thorne wasn't that hard of a choice, but it was convenient that Damien Thorne has a birth time. Yeah, all
Kyle Pierce:cast a chart for June 6 1971. Six o'clock in the morning in Rome, Italy. And we get the you get a chart with Gemini rising at about 19 degrees, the sun in Gemini at 14 degrees, and Mercury ruling
Tristan Paylor:love that and
Kyle Pierce:it's appropriate. They're hanging out with Venus also at 22 degrees of Taurus on the 12th and then you get the moon in score. Do at 11 degrees hanging out with Jupiter at 29 degrees of
Tristan Paylor:men in glory. Yeah, yeah.
Kyle Pierce:I know where to start. There's so much. I guess you can start with just the ascendant, being Gemini, you know, Gemini reek of Antichrist to you?
Tristan Paylor:Oh, it's it's such a great sign for the Antichrist, because Gemini is the it's all about balancing polarities. If, you know, and in a dualistic system and a dualistic sort of
Kyle Pierce:I hadn't thought about it like that. But I think that's a really good take on it. I was thinking about it in terms of as a character, I mean, he's, you know, capable of charming people.
Tristan Paylor:It feels like a very satanic quality as well, just coming from the Bible, the the tale of the Temptation of Christ has always been one of my absolute favorite Bible stories. And one
Kyle Pierce:And that's, I mean, it's the type of argument that drives me nuts, because I hate it. Because it's bullshit. Oh, yeah. But it's also like how you win, is by turning other people's
Kyle Pierce:of these things, like they have to sort of exist in in that dualistic relationship, like you said, which the sun occupying that space, and it's like, you can just kind of project whichever version of
Tristan Paylor:Honestly, it's not a subject that I ever really thought about a lot.
Kyle Pierce:So, really, it's the most fun part of the Bible.
Tristan Paylor:I honestly don't remember. And now I wish that I had done some research on the biblical Antichrist before this episode, because that would have been fun. But at the table that we
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. Well, there's a lot of references to like the planets and stuff in Revelations, which I found interesting. But the movie and the fictional character, Damian doesn't. It's based
Kyle Pierce:Node is it's like just like the most blasphemous, heretical combination, you can really have to probably pull that right out of like most traditional texts, especially like Vedic texts, it would
Tristan Paylor:that's the interpretation I'm most familiar with for Mullah fix in the ninth house is that the person will be a blasphemer.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, I guess I mean, the North instinct pleomorphic, right. Yeah, but I'm, I am not I'm, what's the opposite of blasphemous? Pious, I guess, pious? Well, yeah, I've never been a
Kyle Pierce:cities, he will sack others, he will pillage many people most wickedly. If a lot of diamond or fortune happens to be in the eighth place of the bad diamond. But the house rulers of the lot handed
Tristan Paylor:and love it.
Kyle Pierce:You have Damian meeting the criteria for several of those. He didn't I don't think he built any cities so but he was definitely a destroyer. And actually I have another general from a
Tristan Paylor:Well, the you said that you said that at some point like he's the son of the President. So that could be the king. And also that he was like a corporate CEO. And one of the
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, I mean, of course, that may actually makes a lot of sense and thinking about it. The ninth house is like a place of that kind of thing. Like yeah, he's it makes sense to me that you
Tristan Paylor:and temples to write in the night Paris, which is another thing that's, you know, organized, centralized group of people that are united by some common bond into some, you know, they
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, absolutely. Which I mean, that's what he's doing any mean, he's operating within those structures, but also sort of tearing tearing them down. idea
Tristan Paylor:as being I mean, a little Aquarius to have being sort of like, Aquarius lives in that sort of boundary between the status quo and on the outside. Like, it's sort of the placement of
Kyle Pierce:Well, yeah. When it's like a Mars is in the superior position of the Trine. So Ma, the sun is sort of doing the the Gemini thing of like, kind of playing both sides and creating like a
Tristan Paylor:so so perfect. It's just to perfect. This, this chart is like it is a goldmine. So, I love that the triune is from the ninth house to the first so it because it's it's a funny thing
Tristan Paylor:him. Like it sort of His purpose is wrapped up in that whole mythos. So like, the stuff that's in the ninth house is actually kind of weirdly, it's a weird relationship where it's like supporting
Kyle Pierce:Well, yeah, I mean, he's a exists within the Christian mythical structure. He, he knows, comes relevant with other parts of the chart, but he like, in the second movie, like figures
Tristan Paylor:house, so they're sort of, they're echoing the biblical tales of like, the flight out of Egypt, you know, the night of Passover, and also the King Herod in the gospels, who hears
Kyle Pierce:Makes sense. I mean, I mean, the the son, I guess it's, it's the king, right?
Tristan Paylor:Yeah, he wants to be the case that it's rising. Well, the the sun rising to the first thing that came to mind for me when I looked at this chart and saw that he was born at Sunrise
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. Well, and that, well finish with Mars real quick, but that becomes irrelevant, because with Venus, I think, but Mars also, if you're using the Cal Dean, bound system, Mars would
Tristan Paylor:really good, concise way of explaining dignity, I'm gonna steal that from you. That's great.
Kyle Pierce:Well, even like the balance, too, and the way they describe them, like a lot of ancient texts, like it's not necessarily a great thing. Like for a monolithic to be in its own boundary.
Kyle Pierce:losing battle, I guess, with fate in a sense, but also, he is working against the system as a whole, like the 12th house. So he's mercury, ruling his ascendant from the 12th house, which will on the
Tristan Paylor:I think that's a really good analysis, I, I was really excited when I saw that his ascendant ruler was in the 12th. And also that it was so closely conjunct Saturn and like a really
Tristan Paylor:too bad because your destiny has been laid out for you. And you have a political role to play. And that is what's going to define your life, whether you like it or not like you don't really get a
Tristan Paylor:sometimes see that symbolism playing out in charts where like, if there are strong Saturn signatures, it's like you sometimes have to play the role of the villain, or that that archetype has
Kyle Pierce:Absolutely. That is perfect, actually. And well, Saturn also rules the ninth house to
Tristan Paylor:oh, that's tied. It's got to them alethic in it, and it's ruled.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So good. Um, and then Saturn also rules the eighth house too. So like, bringing in some, some death, right, maybe or some connection to unseen forces, perhaps.
Tristan Paylor:while also rules large animals. And is it like, aren't there a lot of, I feel like I've definitely read this in traditional texts where the there will be some sort of, you know,
Kyle Pierce:Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think. Was it if the ruler of the 12th is in the first and it's a malefic? devoured by dogs
Tristan Paylor:hang out. Except in his case, it's everyone around him getting? Yeah, word.
Kyle Pierce:Oh, yeah. And in fact, he has dogs. It's like one of the first scenes of the movie. Dogs just will attack people for him. Crows will attack people for him on his behalf. He also has
Tristan Paylor:well I'm also send it to just yeah not not everybody with Gemini rising is going to have telekinesis or whatever but it's, I feel like
Kyle Pierce:Gemini would love to have Yes, that'd be a super
Tristan Paylor:fun, very mercurial type of supernatural power. It's very appropriate to the symbolism.
Kyle Pierce:But also the 12 house is the house of enemies, right are the hidden enemies. And in a sense, he is a hidden hidden enemy. He's actually
Tristan Paylor:his first house that's like, he is that hidden enemy for everybody.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, but if you're the hidden enemy, then you're basically surrounded by enemies. Oh, yeah. No. But like his mother was actually a jackal. Okay, I don't understand how that worked. But
Kyle Pierce:the bringer of destruction to earth and mankind in general, or even just like the idea of like, pestilence, or like, being the thing that is the, the force for misfortune, right? I don't know
Tristan Paylor:Let's that that last second of Taurus is ruled by Saturn in the Chaldean bee. Yeah, Deccan system, right. So there's, it's funny, because both systems Oh, that's right. So in any in
Kyle Pierce:the part of tours were called the long standing fixed, you know, permanent earth that you've established, gets shipped thrown at it gets tested, gets gets tested. Yeah. And in a way,
Tristan Paylor:Well, and Mercury has to do with trickery, and Saturn has to do with deception. That's funny, I was just I was reading the first I guess you call it chapter in the Corpus
Kyle Pierce:nice. And then Venus also too. It's a while and in this case, it's a morning star. But what is um, there's a lot of associations with Satan and Venus model distracted because I FTP was
Tristan Paylor:it's Lightbringer. But he's associated with the Morningstar. Let me Yeah, I mean, look this up. No, I don't want the TV series. Give me the edit. Give me the etymology of his name.
Kyle Pierce:Venus with mercury. I mean, I guess it means to be the dispositor the final dispositor for the ruler of the first. But it's also like providing mercury and Saturn with substantial
Tristan Paylor:modern King and looking at, I am just looking at the Antichrist article on Wikipedia, because I can and there's a piece of art which you know, depicts the Antichrist as a
Kyle Pierce:And you feel like that's the part of not the part but one of the parts of maybe Christianity you get to the people that are really really into like the Antichrist. Yeah, and stuff.
Kyle Pierce:enjoying newness, change and travel. If under these conditions, the configuration is afflicted, or if Mars is an aspect from you know, these men fall into disturbances and trials, because of
Kyle Pierce:the end of the third movie, by well first reporter who he had a saw altered, set her son on him and he was trying to coop the sun basically make him a follower and she basically turned the sun against
Tristan Paylor:Yeah that's where they go balance fun.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah way to go balance and then we just want to say that they are all opposing Jupiter in Scorpio Saturn pretty tightly which acts a bit on that but I was thinking mainly for Jupiter in
Kyle Pierce:Scorpio planets in Scorpio. And it means something to that, right. It's also just like a an intense moon. Right? It's it's a almost full moon you know thinking maybe Damien Thorne is bringing a lot of
Tristan Paylor:Mother his mother being a literal Jackal is also pretty cool for the moon. And
Kyle Pierce:it's in the sixth house too.
Tristan Paylor:i Oh, yeah. Like I yeah, like literally being the child of an animal and animals are in the sixth house. And the moon is just what's going on with animals. That's pretty cool. And like
Kyle Pierce:When he basically ends up killing his own mother, well, he the mother died in childbirth, but the mother was actually a jackal. But the and he has jackal DNA, apparently
Kyle Pierce:that ends up killing her. But like one of his dogs that he's like, telekinetically linked to? I don't know. It's pretty. Pretty Moon in Scorpio stuff. It sounds like
Tristan Paylor:sort of straight regular, normal regular stuff. Yeah.
Kyle Pierce:Other issues with the Moon in Scorpio. Yeah,
Tristan Paylor:I guess Halloween, folks. It's gonna get hard. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I always feel like I need a disclaimer for these episodes where we're like looking at the charts of very Stream fictional
Kyle Pierce:I think I meant to say like clear
Tristan Paylor:maybe your mom just really like spooky ghost stories and told them to you a lot when you're growing up and that's why I have them in Scorpio but if you are the Antichrist, and you have
Kyle Pierce:yeah, you're probably gonna have just just look at the just watch the movie. Just watch the movie you know what I'm talking about that face he makes the first one is to creepy little kid.
Tristan Paylor:Oh, he's a candidate and
Kyle Pierce:just the day before
Tristan Paylor:lunch just so we so we move on to the next chart.
Kyle Pierce:Yes, can you Yeah, real quick before we start your chart, Tristan, just wanted to say real quick if you're enjoying this special Halloween episode of astrology hotline, if you're a fan
Tristan Paylor:All right, here goes you get that spooky intro. Tormented by the loss of his wife and unborn child, the young man wanders the waterfront of New Orleans in a drunken haze. World can
Tristan Paylor:so I realized that my intro in a way was kind of introducing the wrong vampire. In a way it's more of an introduction to Louis than to the chart I'm actually going to look at who is list at De Leon
Kyle Pierce:That is how we are introduced, though, the movie at
Tristan Paylor:least we are introduced to list at through the eyes of Louis. So I'm kind of telling Louise story in the intro where you know, the Vampire Chronicles start off with Interview with the
Tristan Paylor:horror fan. love vampires and We have a canonical birth date and location for Lestat. So I will, we don't have a birth time for him. So we're working with it at birth time. Although I have a couple of
Kyle Pierce:or Yeah.
Tristan Paylor:Yeah, I'm very sorry to anyone.
Kyle Pierce:France the best we can do.
Tristan Paylor:Yeah, we're we're not the best at so sorry. Anyway, I'm not so we've got we've got a birth chart with the sun in Scorpio at 15 degrees because of course and Anne Rice I believe had has
Kyle Pierce:wander so much? If like they I don't know I assume that like everybody who's making movies or making these characters like is just into astrology and like looks up the chart for the
Tristan Paylor:I feel like there might have been some intention and making him this a Scorpio son. Is it really that's it's pretty good knowledge if you were born and probably a Scorpio. I wouldn't I
Kyle Pierce:yeah. It's like a like the fall like the darkest moon like already like topically, maybe most complicated moon but like going into the dark. It's like basically it's dying. In a
Tristan Paylor:Well, it's it's sort of like I mean, the way I think of the Dark Moon is the moon is being burned out, consumed by the sun. So they're metaphors of both light and darkness but in the in
Kyle Pierce:on this is a person who literally died and was reborn as a vampire. It's perfect. It really is. Yeah.
Tristan Paylor:is so perfect. Says dark Dark Moon in Scorpio. So you was probably born just as the moon was diving into the sun or just as the moon was emerging from the sun middle and if you middle
Kyle Pierce:which is really great, too. So let me there's this chart. It's great. Which when you brought up with that, I Sorry, I'm cutting you off, aren't I? No, no. No. When you brought up with
Tristan Paylor:Well, that I mean, one one fun little detail that I picked up on right away. With the Moon in Scorpio, obviously the moon is associated with the mother. Scorpio is associated with
Kyle Pierce:Never relationship also gets rather tricky and complicated. It's a little bit weird. Certainly the the the bonds that that tie those those two together are. There's deep, complicated
Tristan Paylor:Yep. Yeah, my understanding is that there's some definite respect and attachment on the part of Lestat for his mother, but it is far from a perfect man. It's also a little relationship
Kyle Pierce:seems to be bordering. I haven't finished it yet. But a little a little sexy, too.
Tristan Paylor:You know, it really doesn't surprise me. Because I mean, that's another another thing that comes up I think even in just pop astrology with the sign of Scorpio is taboos and
Kyle Pierce:one of them almost kind of makes sense in the I don't know. Like it. Like, in their minds, like well, we're not really, we're dead now. Like, we're not humans were like, We're this new
Tristan Paylor:Yeah, it's what was I gonna say? It's sort of like once you become a vampire, human standards of morality no longer apply to you because you are no longer human. And you now adhere to
Tristan Paylor:that we feel limit us, or, you know, physical laws that limit us in some way. In this case, I think it's the social laws that are relevant. And Liz stat is nicknamed the brat Prince by other vampires
Tristan Paylor:reveal your nature to mortals. Like you don't, you don't just go around telling people that you're a vampire. And let's stop floats that and he also, you know, he starts a rock band. And he says things
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, that's like that takes me out. I was thinking about it. Whenever I think of Saturn and Pisces, I always think of just the term crestfallen. Which there's just something about
Tristan Paylor:That's sorrow of longing. Yeah. Yes. Like longing is a good word for deeply longing that are in Pisces, which I think that's fit. He there's a lot of symbolism in his chart that is
Kyle Pierce:where I'm at in the story.
Tristan Paylor:Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm smelling it.
Kyle Pierce:No, that's fine. That's where I'm at. And I probably should have put a spoiler alert. Very beginning but go ahead spoil spoil away.
Tristan Paylor:The trouble is, you know, like, he does the sight of love. You know, it seems it seems like such a romantic thing right? Which it totally is fit with that sense of longing like he's
Kyle Pierce:Right? Like, I'm chomping at the bit because I that's like the story, but it's already already sort of indicated that like, this isn't gonna go well. Even like his mother's like, like,
Kyle Pierce:he does. And he succeeds. And Nicholas is like, like, that's, you know, that's you, dude. I don't know how you do that. That's great. But I'm, I'm too dark man. Like, I'm just I don't think you want
Tristan Paylor:oh, you know, it is for me here. And that's that's also Louis. So when, you know, I gave the introduction, essentially, like Sam juice. It's Paul's love with the saddest people so so
Tristan Paylor:with the Vampire the movie, Tom Cruise plays Lestat and Brad Pitt plays Louis and Brad Pitt actually complained about having to take that role because he felt like he was he was getting, you know, the
Kyle Pierce:totally rules the seventh house, I'm
Tristan Paylor:when I so so in terms of lists, that's birth time, when I first cast the chart, it was a beautiful coincidence that I'm using solar fire to cast charts. And I didn't specify a birth
Kyle Pierce:And it's literally what like, bring some out. It's why he leaves his home to begin with, is to go to Paris to be an actor, an actor and then when he's at the beginning of the book,
Tristan Paylor:Because it's so another another thing that might be relevant to you know, the discussion here about whether or not Saturn rules is seven tariffs is that many of his affairs have
Tristan Paylor:and he has another lover literally light him on fire. So doesn't have a great track record. With significant others, it seems it starts and they do tend to be very sad and have that sort of
Kyle Pierce:When if you were to make it a Leo rising that would put Saturn in the eighth house, and like the troubles re they're like sort of caught. It sort of come from being sort of thrust into to
Tristan Paylor:Fitting, he has a really messed up idea. What is a good time, there's a great scene in the movie where he's literally dancing with a corpse is eating like a corpse on the side of the
Kyle Pierce:you end up getting both sides, like the planets end up like playing both sides of the story to some degree because like, you get the figure of Louis and Nicholas being Saturn and Pisces.
Tristan Paylor:Well, I think I mean, the entire story is, you know, really get into the nature of time and mortality, which are both really relevant to Saturn and made me think that Saturn must be a
Tristan Paylor:potentially immortal. But then like, you know with Mars squaring Saturn in his chariot, there is that theme of breaking those laws of nature and the tragedy that results because of his
Tristan Paylor:preserve.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, and that's like, the sun and moon, probably in the second Deccan of Scorpio and Scorpio is it's kind of about that hunger and lust you know, that like then in like the second
Tristan Paylor:Well, I've I've got, I've got to just quote this directly. So Kyle and I have been reading 36 faces by Austin Copic. And of course, I looked at Scorpio too, while I was analyzing the
Tristan Paylor:motivated for companionship, whether that's lovers or not like he he is sort of loneliness is a central theme to his character. He deeply desires union with other people. So the book 36 seconds
Tristan Paylor:calling him out for being a vampire. And it's
Kyle Pierce:funny, because he like, thinks that he's doing it too with like, Louis, and even with Nicholas, like, do you want it? Like now? Thanks. He
Tristan Paylor:is giving them a choice. But with Louis, it's like you've already attacked him. I mean, if you walked up to him with a business card, you would be giving him the choice, but now you
Kyle Pierce:When he was given Well, he was asked basically, to buy his when he was being turned into a vampire. Oh, yes. asked. I asked. He was like, you know, tell me you want it basically. And
Tristan Paylor:Okay, Though we've got some issues with consent going on Yeah, he's been on the receiving end of and then he has complicated issue with consent when it comes to the people he falls
Kyle Pierce:does seem like Mars is ruling, you know, the Scorpio stuff, right? And it does seem Yeah, no offense to Mars and sad, right. But there is like, like to jump to, like, a conclusion
Tristan Paylor:Oh, yeah. tareas kind of looking at the big picture. Yeah, really the fine print.
Kyle Pierce:You know, just kind of gloss over the little details, because, you know, it doesn't quite fit the big picture that we're trying to make here. And you do more square in that Saturn,
Tristan Paylor:I do want to talk a bit about the Sagittarius planets because Oh, yeah, interesting as well.
Kyle Pierce:And Jupiter too. But yeah, Sagittarius
Tristan Paylor:A really, really fun thing that Anne Rice does with the first two books of the Vampire Chronicles is Interview with the Vampire is essentially Louis story. It's, you know, telling
Tristan Paylor:this is very Mars and Sagittarius where there's a certain I feel like Mars and Sagittarius because it's ruled by Jupiter, there's a sort of nobility to it, you know, like I am, Mars is destructive,
Kyle Pierce:In the book, right. I been listening to it, because I like through the context of the chart. So it's like, okay, I can see how this shows up. But it's interesting, especially with like,
Tristan Paylor:the answer quickly, quick and dirty moral philosophy.
Kyle Pierce:Let's like let's just get it done. What's fine the the whatever the justification is we need for for this.
Tristan Paylor:Yeah, absolutely. i The justification. Yeah. Well, that's the thing is like Saj is very good at coming up with a justification. Yeah, for it does. Yeah.
Kyle Pierce:And, you know, Jupiter, might be a little more now. actually suited to it. Mars will maybe be a little more slapdash perhaps Yeah, yeah. But it is interesting because then then you get
Kyle Pierce:not always the easiest to make stick with like, oh, wait, oh, I missed that part of the lesson I gotta retrace that one
Tristan Paylor:is so the Leo rising is definitely very compelling as an option for his chart, but I was also looking at it with Aquarius rising because I just kept thinking Saturn has got to be
Tristan Paylor:like the 10th and 11th houses must be significant in this chart because of the his obsession with publicity. him wanting to have a relationship with the public, it's very successfully cultivating a
Tristan Paylor:because he has this public facing role and part of his public facing role is that he is like revealing vampire secrets to mortals through his public activities, which feels very much like the
Kyle Pierce:you think you'd be able to I know
Tristan Paylor:Aquarius rising, Leo rising are both very compelling.
Kyle Pierce:It's like that middle that Mercury ruled the Deccan of Aquarius which is like, like the navigating between worlds sort of like never really belonging to Any world but sort of being
Tristan Paylor:All right. Yeah,
Kyle Pierce:he was the vampire fell in love with them. By seeing them on the stage, something special about that. That will stop guy and whisked him away. Very very Ganymede. I don't know you
Tristan Paylor:It shouldn't be like that. Now, all opposite signs are the same at the end of the day. It's like half the time I'm pretty sure I have Libra and half the time I'm like, No, it's an
Kyle Pierce:You get the sun. You could put like the sun in Scorpio right on the icy which almost has like the midnight sun quality, which
Tristan Paylor:Oh, yes.
Kyle Pierce:Like it's visible in a sense, because it's Angular, but it's also like, the peak of midnight, you know, and it's
Tristan Paylor:yes, the darkest yeah of the day, we're the and that's sort of like the the point of resurrection. Like I always think that the sun in the fourth house really has and mean anything in
Kyle Pierce:You also get like the with the moon which means the complicated relationship with the mother like I don't know that turns the mother into a vampire. Like it's flying to the sun. There's
Tristan Paylor:And I mean as as someone with Saturn ruling my descendant and in my seventh house, I've just I've definitely been down that road a few times. I've learned from it. But yeah, then like
Kyle Pierce:I think the luminary ruled a sentence they all want to bring. They want to save.
Tristan Paylor:We want to be the light.
Kyle Pierce:My light to you. I'll see you. I can fix you.
Tristan Paylor:Yeah, I was brutal for that.
Kyle Pierce:It helps having Saturn in Capricorn was just like, okay, the Saturn will tell you like, no. This is how much of your help that I need. And there's I don't keep up
Tristan Paylor:with that. I ended up just the the resolution to the seventh house for me it was just to find a Capricorn rising. Not a tragic figure in any way. Yeah. Yeah, the Saturn qualities
Kyle Pierce:You go hero.
Tristan Paylor:Oh my god. I don't think it ever really ended for the stat
Kyle Pierce:No, no, I don't think so. Ah, mystery. This chart though. I mean, Damien's was pretty like pretty legit pretty Wow. But the stats is that's think it's I don't know, maybe just a much
Tristan Paylor:Yeah, it's more complex character.
Kyle Pierce:All fire and water. Much more dramatic.
Tristan Paylor:Oh, yeah. Even if you just look at the sort of zoom out and just look at the elements. You get the most dramatic and like, I don't know, it's hard to rank, which is the most
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. I think there was something I wanted to say about Venus on the south node. escaping me because we've been recording for a while now and I'm it's way past your bedtime I'm
Tristan Paylor:And being kept up late into the night during spooky season. I know almost at the witching hour talking about vampires
Kyle Pierce:sleeping safely through this. Oh,
Tristan Paylor:well, the Moon in Scorpio rules my chart so the day that I am safely sleeping through anything spooky will be a strange day for me
Kyle Pierce:it's probably a good stopping point.
Tristan Paylor:I'm very curious to hear what you have to say about the Venus South Node conjunction but
Kyle Pierce:I was just thinking about like the D materializing of. Its I mean, it's very I don't know I that honestly was making me think of like the dancing with the dead body thing the Marcin
Tristan Paylor:Ya know, Venus is you know, what brings us pleasure and makes us happy to be alive. And it's conjunct the south node which is all about death and elimination and destruction and
Kyle Pierce:Like Venus, almost like maybe punk rock element to it a little bit, which, like, very rebellious, but also like, he's, you know, he's all about like, his sex appeal. Right? He very
Kyle Pierce:You know?
Tristan Paylor:Yeah. And that really is
Kyle Pierce:watching people die, like, you know, find ways to appreciate that.
Tristan Paylor:The the Pleasure, pleasure being linked to death and disintegration. Yeah. And the dissolution of the old. Yeah, that's it. I mean, everything in this chart really spells vampire.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, either. And rice is a very talented astrologer. Or there's something to this, I feel like we're establishing a pattern here with our real, this is real. It's so real, that it's
Tristan Paylor:And that begs the question, how fake are there?
Kyle Pierce:Well, it's the things in some ways, I think life too. Yeah, they're in some ways more real than you and I, more people know about them. Yeah. Hurt my own feelings.
Tristan Paylor:Less sad is not even a real person. And he is more popular than
Kyle Pierce:Well, that's the thing is like, I mean, once something lives in enough people's imagination that is that not real.
Tristan Paylor:I think it is real, I think. Yeah, you're creating something living I mean, that's like, the whole work of making talismans and astrology is in soling, and objects, you know, and
Kyle Pierce:I mean, I don't we we had had this conversation about areas a while back, not on the show, but you know that that pursuit of immortality, right. I feel like the artist's way of
Kyle Pierce:creating something on that scale. Which and race I would say did, and I guess if you create something on that scale big enough, then it has a chart maybe. I guess maybe everything has a chart?
Tristan Paylor:if it is bound by space and time. Yeah, has the chart.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, some are more descriptive than others, I suppose. But um, yeah, we should probably call it a night here. Anything you have going on Tristan that you want to share with the
Tristan Paylor:particularly
Kyle Pierce:immortalized on the airwaves?
Tristan Paylor:Anything I want to immortalize on the airwaves? Not really, I'll, I'll put a link to my Instagram in the show notes in case people want to follow me there. I haven't been posting a ton
Kyle Pierce:did you do incorporate astrology or not like people should definitely follow it. Because Dude, your images are like, I don't know how you create these like set pieces. Like they're,
Tristan Paylor:not the capitalist pressure.
Kyle Pierce:You don't need to be but you could. And it'll probably just come to you if you just do it.
Tristan Paylor:I think that's what I gotta do. I gotta just do it. So jump, jump on Instagram, everyone and encouraged me to keep making stuff and make astrology stuff because it's fun.
Kyle Pierce:Yes. share interesting stuff, too. You know, and share this show with people.
Tristan Paylor:Yeah, tell everyone about it because Kyle is awesome. And an amazing astrologer and you don't want to miss out on any of his insights.
Kyle Pierce:Someone from you could probably miss but there's there's gems in there. I think I like to think so. At least. Speaking of which, right? Yeah, I well. For me, you can always book a reading
Tristan Paylor:I love they think I think they're fantastic. And I think that the the system that you used of comparing them all to Leo is the home base of the Sun was really cool and ended up being
Kyle Pierce:They almost wrote themselves and a lot of ways but, um, yeah. Well, happy Halloween to everyone. And thanks so much for joining me on the show. Tristan, it's always wonderful to have you.
Tristan Paylor:Thank you for having me. How was Halloween have sour?
Kyle Pierce:Alright, yeah. Happy Halloween everyone.
Tristan Paylor:If you have a question you'd like to hear answered on astrology hotline, please email astrology hotline pod@gmail.com
