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Harmony Within: A Holistic Journey Of Healing, Meditation, And Mindful Empowerment With Karina Cury
Episode 49 • 12th March 2024 • Mindful You • Alan Carroll
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In the "Mindful You" podcast episode, Alan Carroll interviews meditation expert Karina Cury, delving into holistic well-being and the transformative journey of healing through meditation. Karina emphasizes a comprehensive approach to wellness and discusses the therapeutic aspects of meditation, highlighting its role in promoting inner peace. The episode explores the profound influence of the mind on shaping experiences, touches on the pillars of mindfulness for a balanced life, and addresses overcoming traumas through mindfulness practices. The conversation encourages a focus on positivity, offering valuable insights into fostering mental clarity and embracing a mindful approach to life.

About The Guest:

Karina Cury is a holistic life coach and author. She specializes in empowering her clients to uncover hidden blocks that may be holding them back from their true potential, then guides them to find fulfillment, balance and inner peace. Many of her clients have suffered from depression and found themselves in a downward spiral of medications, which only masked the issues and made them worse. Through a holistic and personalized compassionate approach, she supports their journey of growth and self-discovery, to free themselves of the chains that have been binding them.

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About Alan:

Alan Carroll is an Educational Psychologist who specializes in Transpersonal Psychology. He founded Alan Carroll & Associates 30 years ago and before that, he was a Senior Sales Training Consultant for 10 years at Digital Equipment Corporation. He has dedicated his life in search of mindfulness tools that can be used by everyone (young and old) to transform their ability to speak at a professional level, as well as, to reduce the psychological suffering caused by the misidentification with our ego and reconnect to the vast transcendent dimension of consciousness that lies just on the other side of the thoughts we think and in between the words we speak.

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Transcripts

Alan Carroll:

Welcome back, everybody, to the mindful, new

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podcast, where we go to the gymnasium of mindfulness. And we

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hear the various practices and exercises and wisdom from people

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who are journeying down the mindfulness path. And today our

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guest is Karina curry. Karina emigrated from Brazil when she

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was 18 years old, came to the United States to discover the

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magic and the splendor and the wonders of this great America

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that she envisioned in our mind. And when she arrived, she

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discovered that it wasn't quite the way that she thought it was

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going to be. So she experienced over the years bouts of

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depression, not well being, which she got involved in

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holistic studies, and began to spend more time in the holistic

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world and began through holistic practices, beginning to heal and

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balance the energies in her body. She describes herself as

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an holistic life coach. And she gets into a definition of whole

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holistic, what it means she wrote a great book. And the

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title of it is awakening the, the journey from medication, to

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meditation, thinking about the pharmaceutical companies and how

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they want to solve problems with pharmaceutical products, as well

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as the holistic approach, where you use the more natural kind of

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solutions in order to stabilize the energy. So she had lots of

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wonderful things to share. Lots of great energy, lots of

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enthusiasm, lots of authenticity. Just very

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comfortable having a conversation with Karina and I

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know that you will enjoy listening to her, sing her song,

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sing her song of mindfulness. So please welcome Karina curry, to

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the mindful you podcast. Well, please welcome Karina to the

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mindful you podcast. Thank you very much for being with us

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today. Karina,

Karina Cury:

thank you for having me, Ellen.

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I was reading about your background, your

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journey that you've been on your entire life that's led you

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definitely down a spiritual path. And one of the words that

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you use a lot in terms of your description is the holistic

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conversation. And I think it's important for our audience to

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have someone like yourself, let's go into the holistic, the

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meaning of holistic, so at least we understand what the meaning

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of a holistic is. And then for fun, also just your journey that

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got you into that holistic tillow Whoa, that can't quite

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say what I want to say, into that holistic conversation. So

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let's just go for a little bit of the history and then a little

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understanding of the holistic conversation which tising

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clearly to mindfulness, okay,

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holistic, the word mean means whole rate. And the whole

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means Madi, baton, body, mind, body, and spirit connection.

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Because we're not just this matter, this matter is the

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vessel that carries your soul. So

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the physical body is, is the vessel that carries

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the spirit or the soul. And so there's the physical component

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of our reality. And

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we need it we need this matter. And when you were

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talking about the ego earlier, you need that ego you need all

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these things to be here in this earth, you know, to have this

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human experience because our soul our spirit is energy and it

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doesn't and has no beginning or no end, it'll continue on. It

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will take a different form when we leave this earth but it's

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it's there's no end to it, right? So we're here to

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experience this life, pain, sorrow, happiness, everything

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that it comes with humanity. So for you on your journey, you

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know, it's it's a learning experience here in this earth.

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And you go through trials and tribulations right and to learn

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the word the mind comes on is to learn to deal with the things

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that we You have to do in this human body, you know, diseases,

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pains, losing people, you know, the pain of sorrow. So, if

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they're, if you're not in connection with everything is in

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connection, whatever goes on in your mind, it retaliates into

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your body, and that's when the body gets sick, right? Because I

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believe that all sickness has to do with trauma, childhood, PTSD,

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anything that we endure in life, we don't if you don't heal, and

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that's when diseases appear in the body. So if you're not

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connected mind, body, and spirit. And that's when those

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things start to happening. I immigrated here from Brazil, I

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was 18 years old, I wanted to be a horse trainer. And I had, you

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know, a tough childhood. I wanted to escape Brazil. And so

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I came here with all these dreams of, you know, having a

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better life, being able to do what a woman and be into

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whatever I want to be a horse trainer for one, two. That's

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right, this is America.

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Exactly. So, um, things didn't turn out the way you

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know, I envision I, you know, you go through life, you meet a

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lot of different people. And they're all have their own path,

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their own journey they're on. And I'm not necessarily saying

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that people that I met were bad, they were going through their

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own learning experiences, right. And I think sometimes we feel

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we're not connected, we also hurt people. Because we are

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hurting hurt people hurt people. So going through these things,

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and then to the fact that I was not myself, I didn't have the

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knowledge that I have today. So I went through a lot of

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suffering. That suffering down led me to the path of

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depression. And I was I went through a really tough divorce,

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I had two children, two small children, no money, no

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connections, no family, and I felt really lost. And I, my

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friends were like, Okay, you got to do something. So at the time,

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they're like, Okay, I know the psychiatrists, you're gonna go

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blah, blah, blah. My, I have a huge problem now, with the

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knowledge that I have with pharmaceutical companies. I

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believe that they like to enslave people into, you know,

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into medication. So you go in, and you meet with your

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psychiatrist to give you 30 minutes of her time, and, you

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know, $300 a consult and you're, you tell her what's going on in

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her life. She's like, Okay, you're depressed. So I'm going

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to prescribe you medication. Well, then come back in two

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weeks, we'll talk about more well, then you come over there.

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And you know, she spends 15 minutes here listening to what

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you have to say she's like, Okay, well guess is, we're going

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to up your dose, and then they up your dose. And now I have, I

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can't sleep, I'm taking this medication, the highest dose of

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this medication, I can sleep, okay, we're gonna give you a

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different medication now that you take before you go to bed.

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So you can sleep. Well, now I'm having these anxiety attacks,

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right, every time I have to go to work. So let's let me put you

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on another medication. Sure. Yeah, so and pharmaceutical

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companies, they want that they want you to stay on all these

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medications for the rest of your life. And those doctors are not

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telling people what the side effects are to this medications

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they are they're just like solving that problem. Right now.

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They're masking that they're not solving the problem. They're

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masking the problem, right? Because I need healing. I need

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like deep rooted healing. And so for 10 years, I'm on this

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medication until my mother passed away and I was really and

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she always talked about just like how you you know, you need

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to do more holistic stuff, and you know, I don't believe in

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medication, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, yeah, when she passed

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away, you know, the synchronicities of the universe.

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This coach, this holistic life coach, kinda like that I've been

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following for a while, I decided to give her a call and set up an

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appointment. And so I've been on this path of healing now for

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four years and I was able to get off medication. My doctor didn't

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want me to get off but I was able to get off medication using

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my own protocol, like my own research and everything. You

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know, people really need to realize they need to take charge

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of their health, their life, you know, you are in charge of your

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life and your happiness and you know, you only you can change

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things and make things better for yourself. So, I took charge

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and i She changed my life. I was so impressed with with the work

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she was doing with me and everybody else and I started

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going through all these retreats for To retreats, and I decided

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to become a coach myself because I wanted to do that for people I

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wanted to pay forward. I wrote a book. And I tell people, my, my,

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my journey and how I was able to get off medication.

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I love the title of the book, go tell tell the

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audience the title, it was a great title.

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Yeah, awakening a journey from medication to

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meditation.

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Yeah, that's a that's a sweet way of you know,

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it's almost the same word. Yeah, exactly, almost the same word.

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So go on. So through meditation and a lot of reading

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and researching and deep diving into spirituality, I, in some

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plant medicine as well, I was able to change my life, and I'm

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the happiest I've ever been, I take zero medication. I only

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take supplements, I am and I meditate every day, sometimes

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two hours a day, I live a very holistic life, I also take care

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of my vessel and on my body, I eat healthy exercise, because

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it's not just meditating, right is the whole process of things,

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you have to take care of everything, mind, body, and

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spirit. Because there's a connection there. And if one

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part is not working well, then everything is out of balance.

Alan Carroll:

The I find that the the you mentioned the

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sources of disease. I'm currently thinking that based on

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the people that I hear and talk to on YouTube 99% of the

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physical issues that are happening in the physical body

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are caused by imbalances, and the or the inability, not even

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the imbalances, the inability to balance the thoughts that you

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are thinking inside your head. And, and the ability to meditate

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is a a vehicle that you can use to become better management of

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the thoughts that you that are that are blowing up all the time

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and in your consciousness. So let's, let's talk a little bit

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about the meditation piece and the value of meditation in the

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as a as a tool to use in the holistic path.

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So change your thoughts change your life, right? Your

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thoughts are very powerful. Matter of fact, if I sit here

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and talk to you about a lemon, and I said, Imagine the lemon

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you put in the lemon, your mouth, you start salivating.

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Right? That's how powerful your mind is. There's no lemon around

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here. I've been just talking to you. I've started salivating.

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Right? Right? Imagine being able to being able to do that with

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your with everything. But we are so because we are so programmed

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from childhood, to think a certain way to do a certain way

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by our parents, by our teachers, I mean education here, you know,

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they're not teaching us anything, and our education is

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terrible. I mean, we need to go back 1000s of years to take from

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the you need to teach the children to think for themselves

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to be in charge, the teachers shouldn't have a reverse whole

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row with the kid. And they shouldn't be teaching the

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teacher. That's how they shouldn't be playing around.

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Because we're, we're just training people here. And so

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we're trained their mind not to be free. And so we're always

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worrying about the past or worrying about the future. We're

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not living the present. And that's a problem. If you're not

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because the past doesn't belong to you anymore. Everything that

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you've done back there is like a foreign country. You don't live

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there. You know, in the future. I remember

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I remember all those things that happened to me

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in the past, you better believe and I'm not going to forgive

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those people either. For all the things they've done for me, I

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got to keep my past there. I'm not going to let it go. Oh, no,

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no, no. Exactly.

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And people like that can never free themselves. And

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that's anger turns your starts turning to disease. Right

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anger the anger right the resentment and the

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anger you have towards things in the past. Eat away at you. Yes.

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Suck up your your lifeforce, you're using your your resources

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to fight a battle that is a bunch of windmills. It's not

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real, but you spend your life defending and arguing and things

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that happen in the past. And

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that's why I no longer watch TV. I don't longer watch

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movies that are not uplifting or anything like that, or podcasts

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or and uplifting everything that I do because the mind is so

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subjective. And even those people have been thought those

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thoughts are not yours or not theirs has been given to them.

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Okay, bye dog by the the system that was created created to to

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this empower people. So the all these thoughts and things that

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we're giving are very disempowering. And when people

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realize that they're very powerful and everything they

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need within, then the we can change the world, but we lost

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the connection, right? We lost that spiritual connection with

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mother nature with everything that's with God, because what is

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God God is every living thing that is here on Earth is not

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like being in heaven, you know, judging people, or that people

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should be fearful of it. No, you are God, God's within you. So,

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you. So when people realize that, that you are all powerful,

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they can change, but it takes work. And meditation is a really

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good way to do it. And I tell my clients, I'm like, start slow.

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And people have this idea that meditation is something you

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have, you cannot think of anything, you just have to sit

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there and your mind has to be blank. No, it's not. Because

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your mind is never going to be blank, right? It's always going

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on, you just the thoughts will come. And you acknowledge them,

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and you move on, right? Acknowledge the thought, and you

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move on. And I always tell people start slow. Everything is

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practice. I mean, Jimi Hendrix did not was not born with a

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bullish guitar, you know, or any map anybody to master anything

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is because they practice. So everything takes practice. And I

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ended the power of small steps, five minutes a day. That's how I

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started my coach inspired and empowered me to write my book,

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because I always talked about writing a book, and she goes,

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open your computer, 10 minutes a day, write one phrase, whatever,

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one paragraph, and then that one paragraph every day turn into,

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you know, a chapter every day. So it's the power of small

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steps, and people don't realize that take five minutes, instead

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of like, staring at this black hole, that's your phone, you

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know, or watch how people are living their lives. Why don't

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you think about how you can live your life better. And just five

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minutes, start with a guided meditation, you know, do deep

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breath work, you know, there's tons of videos on YouTube, of

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guided meditations and breath work, and start your day like

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that. Were like, the powerful of gratitude. And I remember when

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my coach used to tell me that, and I was like, Man, I can't

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think of one thing that I'm grateful for. But then as you

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start thinking, it was like, wait, I have everything that I

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need. But it took me a while to realize that, but it's like I

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would, I would say three things that I was grateful every day

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that I would just dig down deep. You know, I'm grateful that I

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woke up this morning, you know, I grateful that I can go to my

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kitchen I have food to eat, you know, and just like small

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things, and now it's part of my daily routine. You know, I wake

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up I do my gratitude, my affirmations I do my meditation

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and if I like I just went on a little vacation and you know I

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was with was a girl strip and you were like always busy and

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added man, it was so weird non be able to have my routine every

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day, you know, I felt totally discombobulated. Not being able

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to that to do that, you know, but it's very powerful. And it's

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just you do it all you need 30 days, 30 days to to create a

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good habit.

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I'm I believe everything you're saying is

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absolutely the truth. The two there's something about

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meditation, or something about mindfulness, any any vehicle

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that you can use, to taste to taste the, the nectar, of the

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space of mind of mindfulness of I often use the word, stillness,

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pockets of stillness. Meditation is closing the eyes. And

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immediately if you close your eyes, you've eliminated a huge

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amount of, of chaos, which is causing the the leaves to stir

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up in your mind. Those leaves the thoughts. And so what I

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thought it'd be fun, if you would, is take us on a little

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guided meditation, using breath work or whatever technique you'd

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like to use for a couple of minutes so we can we can try to

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taste the nectar of Your wisdom with our physical body.

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You want me to guide you in a medication? Yeah, I'd

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like that. Okay, yeah. I'm gonna close my eyes.

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Because I want to you know, get the chaos stuff gone. So that's

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so

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yeah, close your eyes if you feel like in Yeah. And

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take a deep breath. In and fill your belly like a baby you know

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when a baby breathe, and you see his, the belly gets really full

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and hold it there for a couple seconds and release it and take

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a deep breath in. Again, fill your belly

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hold it and release. Now imagine a light and very white bright

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light coming from above.

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And is going in into your head and is coming down through your

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neck, it's engulfing your heart. Your belly is going through you

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all the way through Mother Earth, all the way to the center

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of Earth. This white bright light has been cleansed. Mother

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Earth is taking everything that does not serve you anymore. And

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is transmuting into unconditional love. Now imagine

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the light coming back through you again. Going up your spine

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through your heart, and your throat and your brain and all

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the way up the sky. And this light is just bring you love

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forgiveness, acceptance, self love, self care and you feel in

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the cells of your body the healing power of this white,

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bright light and now feel the light expanding out of your body

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creating a bright white bubble and you're inside this bubble

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and this light and makes you safe. It makes you warm. Makes

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you feel the love of the universe and makes you know that

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everything in this earth is for you. It makes you feel powerful.

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Makes you feel like you can conquer anything. You feel brave

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take a deep breath in and soak all the love into the cells of

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your body. Feel your body being healed by the powerful bright

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love that this light is bringing into your life

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and when you're ready you can gently open your eyes

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that's a guided meditation. Powerful, so people

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who want to meditate well you just experienced meditation. And

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what were some of the experiences that you experience

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when you do meditation.

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Like my body feels like it's like everything that you

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heard I feel in my body I feel the cells of my body connecting

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to this powerful love light that that the Creator gives us you

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know that everything we have, we need everything we need we have.

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And I feel all powerful and I feel like I'm enough. And I feel

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I feel cared for, you know, I feel the oneness with the

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universe. You know, because we're all part I call it we are

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God equals we're all particles of God.

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Gotta goals you call them.

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Yeah, we're all particles, yes for God because

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we're particles of particles of God. And that's what we are we

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just need to know how to connect and feel where we are, you know,

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because like I said, we lost the connection, we lost the

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connection with everything with nature, we're so caught up in

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this materialistic world, you know, let's watch when you watch

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TV, they're all offering a new thing and you feel like you're

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needed and here if you feel sad, take this drug and it'll make

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you feel better you know, and like I said, our minds so

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subjective, that we we think we need all these things. These are

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things that are out there in the world to feel better we don't

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everything we we need to feel better. It's the love and

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connection of the universe, with God with creator with source

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with spirit, whatever you want to call you know.

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I when we're talking about the God we all are

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sons and daughters of God, the mind is going to say Karina,

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what are you smoking some smoky to wacky tobacco? Come on,

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you're not a God, your your, your lady from Brazil, come wake

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wake up, wake up your God is that you got you got some big

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ego, I tell you. And so then to navigate through that, is if

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it's like doing research, I don't know, oh, my God or not

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God, been if I am a God, what would God do? What would God

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say? If I was a god? What would God do? Well, God would be a lot

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nicer. Yes, God would be a lot more compassionate.

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And God said, When you see someone that's doing

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something that may make, may may make you feel not as happy, have

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compassion over the person, you don't know what the person is

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going through why they're acting like that. Because you don't

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know what you don't know. And when you gain this knowledge

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that you are God, you start seeing people with a lot more

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compassion. And that's when I understood that was all that

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when I start seeing people with different eyes, now I see people

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I have compassion over them. And I think, wow, you know, that

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person must have a tough time. And you know, and but I would

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like to go to towards that person and offer them some love,

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but everybody has to find in their, their own path and their

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own time, you know, and it took me I'm 48 now it took me 44

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years to find. So I think everybody is born with the

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knowledge but we lose it somehow. Right? But somehow in

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sometimes you have to hit in my case, hit rock bottom at to

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realize I got to do something, I got to do things differently.

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And then you start to look for deeper connections, you know,

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deeper things in life, and realize that material things

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don't bring you happiness, they never did. I mean, I see so many

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people that are so abundance financially, but they lack

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abundance and everything else. Right? So it's finding that

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abundance, realizing that abundance is if you have what

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you need, you have abundance and being happy, I mean are saying

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you can want things of course you can, you know, we're humans,

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but realizing that what do you do with that abundance? You

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know, how, how do you use that abundance. And that's, I love

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when I see people who were naturally generous with their

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abundance, and it's amazing. So you know, it takes time and it

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takes practice but if I can do it, anybody can do it. Believe

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me, if you saw me 10 years ago, I was a holy mass. So and when

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you when you when your energy is not aligned, you know you you

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attract people that are in the same energy as you are. So as

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attracting people like me at the time, so everybody that I had in

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my life was a holy mess. Once you're change that then you

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start attracting people that are in alignment with you. And it's,

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it's great. Although I love my friends now, I always loved my

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friends. But now we're connecting on a deeper level,

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you know, we have so much understanding and love and

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compassion for each other and for the world, there's no

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judgment. And that is a powerful thing to become non judgmental.

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And it's like I said, it took me a long time, but there's hope

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for everyone.

Alan Carroll:

non judgmental, is has to be one of the pillars of

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mindfulness to define voice mindfulness. Well, mindfulness

Alan Carroll:

is a space in consciousness in which you watch the show, but

Alan Carroll:

you don't judge the show. And, and that's a that's a everybody,

Alan Carroll:

everybody has to has a show. They watch in the outer world,

Alan Carroll:

they wake up, they plug their five senses into the world, and

Alan Carroll:

boom, I'm in the movie. But everybody is judging everything

Alan Carroll:

they're seeing coming from I know. You don't need to tell me.

Alan Carroll:

I know, I know. Yeah, I know. I know. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I

Alan Carroll:

know. I Weiwei shutter. Let me tell you I know, I know,

Alan Carroll:

everybody has this immediate I know, into the world, which,

Alan Carroll:

which keeps things pretty much solidified. There's no There's

Alan Carroll:

no fluidity to I know, there's no opportunity to create

Alan Carroll:

something new if I, if I know. So. So you mentioned earlier

Alan Carroll:

about? Well, the opposite to I know, would be? I don't know.

Alan Carroll:

And so talk a little bit about the power of I don't know.

Unknown:

So I think that a lot of people act like that, because

Unknown:

one of the things that really hold us back, I think one of the

Unknown:

biggest problems we have in that has been an input in our, in our

Unknown:

brains, you know, there was not, it didn't, I didn't think it was

Unknown:

given to me. It's fear. Fear is what holds people back. And

Unknown:

fear. When people don't know they, they, they they act like

Unknown:

that. Because the fear of something, whatever it is,

Unknown:

right? The fear of being judged, the fear of being laughed at the

Unknown:

fear of

Alan Carroll:

making a mistake, I want to make a mistake.

Alan Carroll:

Exactly. Don't make mistake, don't do anything. You don't

Alan Carroll:

want to make a mistake. Exactly.

Unknown:

But that is what I'm talking about. When I talked

Unknown:

about how we teach kids, you know, you got to teach them that

Unknown:

failure is okay. And that's how you learn. You know, there's

Unknown:

power, there's power, and I don't even like to say use the

Unknown:

word failure because it's never is failure, but the power of

Unknown:

making mistakes, that's how you learn. You have to make mistakes

Unknown:

to learn. So people should not fear those things, but how to

Unknown:

get rid of fear, right? Because every now and then fear pops up

Unknown:

and, and is the ego, right? The ego, the biggest his biggest

Unknown:

fear is to die. And so there's always that, you know, you have

Unknown:

to learn to control the ego. And sometimes I have a full

Unknown:

conversation with him, you know, it was my ego, I go, Dude,

Unknown:

you're not dying, calm down. It's okay, we're gonna live you

Unknown:

know, or fear. One of the biggest fears that people have

Unknown:

is fear of lack of abundance, they people are scared of being

Unknown:

poor, people are scared of not having things that's why people

Unknown:

don't take chances, don't go try a new job, they stay unhappy on

Unknown:

that job that they're at, because their fear of not having

Unknown:

money. And all these thoughts were given to us by our parents,

Unknown:

by church by, you know, religious institutions by the

Unknown:

government, you know, all these things that you watch on TV or

Unknown:

your parent, you know, like, think about the our parents, you

Unknown:

know, they came from that generation of posts. We're we're

Unknown:

we're to eat everything on your plate because we don't know when

Unknown:

we're gonna have food and you know, again, well that messes

Unknown:

with people's head stays. For example, I had this thought that

Unknown:

I was not smart. And it was given to me by my mother for

Unknown:

things she didn't know judgment here. She didn't know what she

Unknown:

was doing. She got married at 18 years old and you know, whole

Unknown:

story there. But I remember sitting down and doing some math

Unknown:

work and I you know, there was like, okay, little Johnny has

Unknown:

two apples in any gives one apple two, you know, and I just

Unknown:

could not get that. Understand that problem. And she said, My

Unknown:

gosh, you're just nuts. Mario Are you that until I was able to

Unknown:

heal that heart, seven year old that was not smart. I couldn't,

Unknown:

that that's why this book is so it was so powerful to write this

Unknown:

book because I used to think I was not smart enough to write a

Unknown:

book. And so to overcome that, that thoughts, you know, and

Unknown:

that fear and all these childhood traumas. And so all

Unknown:

these thoughts were given to us, and we got to get rid of them,

Unknown:

you know. And there's, it, like I said, is not simple. It takes

Unknown:

work, but it's doable, because if I, like I said, I can do it,

Unknown:

anybody can do it. But just sometimes you just have to have

Unknown:

a conversation. Is this really true? Am I not smart? No, that's

Unknown:

not true. I'm smart. You know, look, all the things that

Unknown:

overcome in my life, you know, so I have, you know, I have

Unknown:

several conversations a day sometimes with the, with my ego

Unknown:

is this is this true? What's not true, be quiet. I'm smart,

Unknown:

dammit.

Alan Carroll:

That's really true. The the the, there's a

Alan Carroll:

psychological philosophy called psycho synthesis, where they say

Alan Carroll:

that you have to use the metaphor of the orchestra, and

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the conductor. And the individual instruments are not

Alan Carroll:

playing together. They're each playing their own tune, the

Alan Carroll:

radical, the liberal, the aggressive, the non aggressive,

Alan Carroll:

the Mother, the Father, the daughter, that he played

Alan Carroll:

different roles, depending on the situation. And so the

Alan Carroll:

radical argues with the liberal, the liberal with the Republican

Alan Carroll:

or whatever it is, these battles that go on. And they say that

Alan Carroll:

what you do is you imagine yourself in the movie theater,

Alan Carroll:

sitting in the movie theater with a bag of popcorn and your

Alan Carroll:

favorite drink, and you're watching The you create an image

Alan Carroll:

for the character of Karina the, the the radical? And what's the

Alan Carroll:

radical gonna look like? What are the needs of the radical

Alan Carroll:

part of you, the the hippie, or whatever that radical part is.

Alan Carroll:

And then you have the conservative part, what does

Alan Carroll:

that part look like, then you have them up on stage, and then

Alan Carroll:

they start to talk to each other. And as they begin to talk

Alan Carroll:

about the needs, I have this need, I have this need, I have

Alan Carroll:

this need, I have that. And pretty soon they begin to

Alan Carroll:

synthesize, and they call a synthesis. And so then the now

Alan Carroll:

there's two instruments to play together, then you get two more,

Alan Carroll:

then pretty soon the conductor, which is the higher self, is

Alan Carroll:

able to get all the instruments to play the music together. And

Alan Carroll:

so when you talk about talking to each other, that that already

Alan Carroll:

means that you have dis identified from something, and

Alan Carroll:

that you're able to have a conversation with something

Alan Carroll:

inside of you that before was you. Now you have a friend

Alan Carroll:

called your ego, it pops up and says hi and talks to you. And

Alan Carroll:

then you got another part of you, which I'll call the

Alan Carroll:

observer, observing the ego, the high that the like the higher

Alan Carroll:

self, or the conductor of the orchestra says, Hey, ego, how

Alan Carroll:

are you doing today? What do you want? Well, I just gave up here

Alan Carroll:

some ice cream, okay, good, then go and go over there. And so now

Alan Carroll:

conducting the conversations, but I have to be able to see the

Alan Carroll:

different conversations inside of me. When When mindfulness and

Alan Carroll:

meditation allows you to create a space. Yes, that allows you to

Alan Carroll:

see, and then you no longer react. Yes, you now respond. And

Alan Carroll:

there's a world of difference between impulsive controls, and

Alan Carroll:

non impulsive controls, reactive and most people without

Alan Carroll:

mindfulness and meditation and holistic healing are more

Alan Carroll:

reactive. Why no? Wrong? Yes. I immediately will paint the

Alan Carroll:

interpretation of what they say me immediately without No, no,

Alan Carroll:

no. This is it's like, you got to recognize that the paint is

Alan Carroll:

from the past what your mom told you. It's your programming, you

Alan Carroll:

got to realize that maybe it's not true mom. Yes,

Unknown:

exactly. And you have in there's a thought and you

Unknown:

attach a feeling to it. What is the thought? What is it that

Unknown:

thought cause me and what kind of feeling right? Yeah. And so

Unknown:

that's when you when you work on manifestation, you have to have

Unknown:

a thought and you have to think about the feeling of their

Unknown:

thoughts. So like, for example, you want to heal your body,

Unknown:

right? So you think about healing. You have a headache,

Unknown:

let's say and you think about that headache is gone and you

Unknown:

think about not just the headache is gone, but how would

Unknown:

you feel when the headache is gone? So you attach that thought

Unknown:

to the feeling and that is very powerful

Alan Carroll:

knowledge We talked about the feeling and we

Alan Carroll:

talked about the lemon in the mouth. Exactly the feeling of

Alan Carroll:

anger, righteous anger, that I have about something that

Alan Carroll:

happened in the past that I hold on to now that that thoughts

Alan Carroll:

that I have, have with have the emotion attacked, attacked

Alan Carroll:

attached to it, which then causes me to behave in a certain

Alan Carroll:

way based on my thoughts and my emotions, which even know will

Alan Carroll:

cause damage.

Unknown:

There's those called triggers, triggers or triggers.

Unknown:

Yes. And so when you have that, that thought and that feeling,

Unknown:

and then you're like, if some, somebody says to you something,

Unknown:

you know, let's say, somebody said to me, Well, you're stupid.

Alan Carroll:

Well, they're not stupid, you know?

Unknown:

You know exactly what take me back to that feeling.

Unknown:

When my mother told me, you know, I'm like, stupid, wait,

Unknown:

who cares? What that person saying that person does not pay

Unknown:

my bills. Like, that's what I tell my children is that person

Unknown:

pays your bills, who cares what they're saying. But most

Alan Carroll:

people can't do that. Most people can't. If I if

Alan Carroll:

I say, Karina, you're stupid. What do you mean, I'm stupid. So

Alan Carroll:

immediately, there's the automatic defense of the

Alan Carroll:

identity. And the fact that you're not able to be sucked

Alan Carroll:

into it means that you have transcended to a place of

Alan Carroll:

observing that that trigger that you talked about got triggered.

Alan Carroll:

And most people get triggered, but they'll know they're

Alan Carroll:

triggered. I just know that you're wrong. And I'm right.

Alan Carroll:

Yes. But

Unknown:

is that that powerful that I told you? And that

Unknown:

download came to me on a spiritual retreat? Of like

Unknown:

seeing people and thinking, Oh, that person's hurt. Yes. Because

Unknown:

hurt people hurt people. And nobody is in the right mind. I'm

Unknown:

not, we never call somebody stupid or anything, you know. So

Unknown:

but maybe back then, when I was really reactive, because I was,

Unknown:

so I told you the 10 years ago, 1213 years ago, I was a holy

Unknown:

mess. And I was going through a divorce, my ex husband would set

Unknown:

me on fire, like anything, he would say, I would just go

Unknown:

insane. Like these feelings, you know, take over me and I would

Unknown:

be so angry that I made my and that's you know, like, cause it

Unknown:

became so became so. So over overcame everything in me that I

Unknown:

became the press that I like, no longer. Like I had to get out of

Unknown:

bed and put on a happy face for my children. And then I'll take

Unknown:

them school and and go back to bed crawl might cry myself to

Unknown:

sleep, you know, and it's just like I couldn't, like I I'm a

Unknown:

person that I'm like a doer, right, I get things I couldn't

Unknown:

figure out how to do things like my brain was just this fog to go

Unknown:

over. You know, I just couldn't figure out how to get things

Unknown:

done. I would look at things and I would see the dishes and I'm

Unknown:

like, I couldn't figure out how to do the dishes like my brain

Unknown:

couldn't. It was the most horrifying. It was the most

Unknown:

horrific feeling thinking about now like thinking about myself

Unknown:

back then. Right? But it was because I was so in such pain,

Unknown:

such anger and, and fear, you know, fear and Yoda says fear

Unknown:

leads to anger. Anger leads to hate and hate leads to

Unknown:

suffering.

Alan Carroll:

You're just pretty smart. Say that say that again.

Alan Carroll:

I like Yoda stuff.

Unknown:

I did do fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate

Unknown:

leads to suffering. So basically, suffering comes from

Unknown:

fear.

Alan Carroll:

Then you ask yourself, fear, fear are things

Alan Carroll:

that are a threat to your identity. And if you can begin

Alan Carroll:

to disassociate yourself from your identity, then the things

Alan Carroll:

that we're fearful are no longer no longer bother you. But in

Alan Carroll:

order to do that, you have to forgive that which you have said

Alan Carroll:

is bad that you're afraid of and most people can't forgive. And

Alan Carroll:

that ties in we do gratefulness, conversation for great

Alan Carroll:

gratefulness as a shift of complaining about everything to

Alan Carroll:

you know what there's, I could spend my time complaining. And I

Alan Carroll:

can spend my time looking at being grateful for being alive

Alan Carroll:

or being grateful to be in Americans to be grateful for

Alan Carroll:

being having food and a family for being all of a sudden you

Alan Carroll:

live in a world of gratitude and gratefulness. And you I like

Alan Carroll:

what Eckhart Tolle talks about is what you focus on you give

Alan Carroll:

life support to and so not not focus on gratefulness and give

Alan Carroll:

life support to gratefulness rather than than get life

Alan Carroll:

support to complaints.

Unknown:

Your your energy goes where your thoughts go. So

Unknown:

whatever you think your thoughts go to it, so if it's negative

Unknown:

You know, then your energy goes towards negativity. And that's

Unknown:

what you have to focus on positivity, you know, always and

Unknown:

the unit in when you complain, what is complaining, claiming,

Unknown:

you're claiming again. So you when you're saying I, universe,

Unknown:

I'm just using this as an example, I hate my body, the

Unknown:

universe to say, Oh, she hates her body when she wants to hate

Unknown:

her body. So I'm just gonna give her more reasons for her to hate

Unknown:

her body. So it continues to give you what you're claiming.

Unknown:

So that's why I never ever say anything negative anymore. And

Unknown:

when I hear people saying things negative, like, I went to visit

Unknown:

a friend, and she's like, Oh, my God, you gain so much weight,

Unknown:

and she's talking about her body. And I'm like, going, I'm

Unknown:

going, you're beautiful. Oh, my gosh, what are you talking

Unknown:

about? But it's like this so hard, because I had one friend,

Unknown:

that I would go stop complaining, just You're so

Unknown:

beautiful, while you keep saying that. And she said to me, who do

Unknown:

you think you are Jesus or something. So I like I need

Unknown:

sometimes, you know, you need to be careful how you say to

Unknown:

people, because you don't want to come across as Oh, you know,

Unknown:

your hair dries green. So, um, it's just to like, plant the

Unknown:

seed in the person's mind that just, the more positive in the

Unknown:

US, the more you will attract to your life positive things. And

Unknown:

so when I see people saying negative things about

Unknown:

themselves, it hurts me. And I'm like, No, say that ways, you

Unknown:

know, because I used to be that person. And just, and you say so

Unknown:

much that you, your brain doesn't know what you're saying

Unknown:

is a joke, or you're just saying that you know, it thinks is

Unknown:

true. So start believing all the things that you're saying. So

Unknown:

whatever you say your brain believes the universe gives to

Unknown:

you, you know, it's like it's so don't say it be positive,

Unknown:

please. And

Alan Carroll:

that's under your control. Exactly. But you have

Alan Carroll:

to be awake enough to notice that you're you are about to say

Alan Carroll:

something and you realize, you know, what, is that what I'm

Alan Carroll:

going to say? Is that going to make the flowers grow in the

Alan Carroll:

greenhouse, or that can make the flowers die in the greenhouse.

Alan Carroll:

And usually, attack thoughts are defending of the ego thoughts

Alan Carroll:

cause the flowers to die, whereas loving thoughts and

Alan Carroll:

gratitude thoughts make the flowers grow.

Unknown:

So it actually actually there was a scientific, I read a

Unknown:

whole article about that they put different flowers and they

Unknown:

would talk to the flowers, different ways, same flower,

Unknown:

they plant three seeds, okay, and then one and it was saying

Unknown:

You're beautiful, you're growing so beautiful, you're so

Unknown:

powerful. And actually the flower grew faster better

Unknown:

already. And more beautiful. And it's true if you can do that the

Unknown:

powerful word the the power of words with the flower what can

Unknown:

you imagine what you can do with your own life

Alan Carroll:

and your own body

Unknown:

and your own body? Yeah,

Alan Carroll:

it was gone

Unknown:

no every day I said thank you for this beautiful

Unknown:

healthy body. Yep, who only wants to eat healthy foods only

Unknown:

wants to exercise

Alan Carroll:

thank you for this healthy body that exercise and

Alan Carroll:

my diets probably not as good as yours my my wife each cycle

Alan Carroll:

rabbit food she has diets Yes, he is probably the best food and

Alan Carroll:

so healthy diet is definitely part of the part of the game. If

Alan Carroll:

people wanted to reach out to you Corinne Karina what would be

Alan Carroll:

ways that they could reach out and connect with you? So

Unknown:

my websites the best way because you can book a call

Unknown:

with me on my website is www dot Carina dot life is Ka ri na dot

Unknown:

life L I F E and we can book a free call and we can see if you

Unknown:

know whatever you're going through through life, changing

Unknown:

jobs, relationships, or just wanting to be healthier,

Unknown:

happier, you know, and I have great ways to help you do it.

Unknown:

Reach out and we can talk and see for good fit for each other,

Unknown:

you know.

Alan Carroll:

Perfect, perfect. Yes, it Karina I just really

Alan Carroll:

enjoyed our conversation. I enjoyed the insights that you

Alan Carroll:

shared I, I take I take notes as I say it's like going to school

Alan Carroll:

podcasts like I'm going to school. Yes. And I'm going to

Alan Carroll:

I'm going to learn things I just didn't know. And you are able to

Alan Carroll:

take your your experiences moving towards a similar target

Alan Carroll:

that I'm moving towards in my consciousness and you were

Alan Carroll:

sharing your experiences intuitively I can get it I can

Alan Carroll:

get different form to the experiences, but your ability to

Alan Carroll:

with authenticity. no clarity of thought and enthusiasm and No,

Alan Carroll:

no, no blockage to the flow of energy was really a pleasure to

Alan Carroll:

have you on as a guest on the mind for your podcast. And

Alan Carroll:

there's

Unknown:

Alan, there's no wrong or right way to do it, you know,

Unknown:

you do what works for you. If it's two hours of meditation, or

Unknown:

if it's five minutes of meditation, whatever works for

Unknown:

you, you know, but we'll all gonna get there we will, because

Unknown:

we're all working towards the same goal is to move out of 3d

Unknown:

to five D. That's my goal. I want out of 3d I want to get to

Unknown:

five D. Okay, so let's do it. Chapter. All

Alan Carroll:

right. And I'll salute that banner. Thank Thank

Alan Carroll:

you very much.

Unknown:

Thank you. Thank you, gratitude. Gratitude

Alan Carroll:

to you. Bye bye Karina curry.

Unknown:

I think sellin

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