Maggie Evans and Liane start off talking about the mechanics of dog training, then things get out of hand! From there they leap into a debate of the pros and cons of shaping during luring (Yes, fasten your seatbelts, geekiness ahead!), and the difference in Maggie's heel work vs Liane's.

From there they move into how mechanics affects training your dog to lie Down; how Liane teaches Stay vs how Maggie trains it. Maggie discloses her secret shame, and Liane discusses a video of the best way to proof a 'whoa' for bird dogs.

So much dog training stuff!