Podcasting is easy for, like, five minutes.
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Evo Terra:Hello, and welcome to another Podcast Pontifications with me, Evo Terra.
Evo Terra:I can't think of a meeting I've had recently with either a client
Evo Terra:or a prospect where I didn't utter the words "Podcasts tend to
Evo Terra:get the audience they deserve."
Evo Terra:It's become sort of an axiom of mine.
Evo Terra:One that represents my overarching worldview of podcasting, if you will.
Evo Terra:I've heard many other podcasting pundits say something along the lines
Evo Terra:of "Podcasting is a slow burn," or "You need to be in this for the long haul."
Evo Terra:And while I agree with those statements, those all come with a
Evo Terra:presumption that success is inevitable.
Evo Terra:You and I know it's not.
Evo Terra:So at the risk of being depressing, not my goal, let's return to my axiom
Evo Terra:"Podcasts tend to get the audience they deserve," and unpack that for a moment.
Evo Terra:What it doesn't mean is if you build it, they will come.
Evo Terra:They might, but they might not.
Evo Terra:That axiom also does not mean that you can market your way into great success.
Evo Terra:That might work for you, but it also might not.
Evo Terra:So what is it about?
Evo Terra:First, "Podcasts tend to get the audience they deserve" is about your
Evo Terra:podcast, not you, the podcaster.
Evo Terra:Now, yes, you are inexorably wound together with your podcast.
Evo Terra:I get that.
Evo Terra:But for this axiom to work, we need to take the person, the you, out
Evo Terra:of it, and look at the product, the thing that you're making.
Evo Terra:The podcast is the product.
Evo Terra:The product is the podcast.
Evo Terra:And that is what people will or will not decide to make a part of their life.
Evo Terra:So, does content matter?
Evo Terra:Well, of course it does, but content is a broad topic.
Evo Terra:It means a lot of things.
Evo Terra:Is the sound quality good?
Evo Terra:That's a good question for you.
Evo Terra:Or, for your show, is the sound quality exceptional?
Evo Terra:Are the conversations you're having, or the things you're
Evo Terra:talking about, are they good?
Evo Terra:Or are those conversations riveting?
Evo Terra:Is the packaging of the content, that means the episode itself, the show
Evo Terra:itself, your website, all supporting properties, is the packaging pretty good?
Evo Terra:Or is it done with the utmost care?
Evo Terra:Again, it's about your podcast itself.
Evo Terra:Secondly, the axiom is about the show's audience and how the show,
Evo Terra:the product, fits in their lives.
Evo Terra:Is the length of the show okay?
Evo Terra:Or does it fit exactly the need that your audience has?
Evo Terra:Are they getting new episodes from you, from the podcast, on the right cadence?
Evo Terra:Or is that not the case and they're stepping out on you?
Evo Terra:Stepping out on your podcast, getting content that they want
Evo Terra:and that they need from others?
Evo Terra:The opposite may be true.
Evo Terra:Are you overloading them with content?
Evo Terra:Is your podcast making them face tough decisions of what else they can't
Evo Terra:listen to because of your podcast?
Evo Terra:Does the audience like the host, you?
Evo Terra:Like the hosts, your guests, everybody else that comes on the show?
Evo Terra:More importantly, do they feel a deep connection to the host or hosts
Evo Terra:that almost borders on fanaticism?
Evo Terra:And is the show so compelling to your audience that they can't
Evo Terra:help but recommend it to others?
Evo Terra:Or is your podcast, is this podcast just one of many in their listening app?
Evo Terra:The third thing about the axiom, is the odd word "tend" that I have in there.
Evo Terra:Again, podcasts tend to get the audience they deserve.
Evo Terra:Now, tend means that neither success nor failure of any given
Evo Terra:show is a foregone conclusion.
Evo Terra:Tend means that we can, with a high degree of accuracy, predict which
Evo Terra:shows will grow and which shows will stagnate on a large scale.
Evo Terra:No promises for any individual show, but taken en masse, we
Evo Terra:probably can learn some things.
Evo Terra:Also, tend makes room for some external pressures, if you
Evo Terra:will, and serendipitous events.
Evo Terra:I've seen shows suddenly find a much bigger audience when breaking news
Evo Terra:from the real world collides with a big PR push that the podcast is doing,
Evo Terra:and the podcast then rides that wave.
Evo Terra:That's a mix of good strategy and luck.
Evo Terra:I've also found shows, or I've seen shows, who find much bigger audiences
Evo Terra:when, finally, the marketing is really hitting the right placement somewhere.
Evo Terra:Sure, that can happen.
Evo Terra:But I've also seen exceptional, high quality, even critically-acclaimed
Evo Terra:podcasts flop because the timing just wasn't right.
Evo Terra:Or the marketing just didn't work.
Evo Terra:Or, in some cases, the audience's attention shifted to something else.
Evo Terra:So when you hear me say, "Podcasts tend to get the audience they deserve"
Evo Terra:that's not necessarily an indictment.
Evo Terra:I mean, it might be an indictment.
Evo Terra:If you know there's more you could be doing, or if, you know, there's a
Evo Terra:disconnect somewhere in your processes.
Evo Terra:Or maybe you feel like you're just going through the motions, then, yeah, it is
Evo Terra:an indictment and your podcast probably doesn't deserve a bigger audience.
Evo Terra:But that's a question for you to wrestle with.
Evo Terra:It's a question for everyone to wrestle with.
Evo Terra:But I still feel that, all things being equal, podcasts tend to get the audience
Evo Terra:they deserve, even yours, even mine.
Evo Terra:It's all really up to that axiom to play itself out.
Evo Terra:Let's do some Boostagrams.
Evo Terra:Now it's time for the boost-the boost-the boost- Boostagram Corner.
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Evo Terra:First, a big thanks to Mr.
Evo Terra:Dave Hanley from Advertisecast for the virtual coffee purchase - thank
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