While being careful to not pick winners and losers, ABC founder—and now anointed as one of the luminaries gracing the Mount Rushmore of the Natural Products Industry—identifies botanicals vital for vitality and immune health. But really, though, that's not even close to the half of it. Listen in as they dive into the deep end of the pond and talk about:

• Evolutionary biology and the kindom—no typo—that links plants and animals on this fair planet.
• The conflict between vitalism and reductionism in how herbalists think about health care.
• The List. Immunomodulators, sure, but also herbs for vitality.