Wesley Pepper chats to Helen Sayers. She is one of the leading authorities on ubuntu, and talks about how artists can use it to enrich people’s lives through their artwork. In conclusion, and although there is a strong drive toward commercialisation in the South African Art World, Sayers argues that money is not everything.

Wesley Pepper has exciting things lined up for the end of the year. So do stay tuned! Apologies for the echo on Wesley’s end of the line in this episode. But you can follow the show notes, below.

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