YOU JUST NEED TO BREATH! In Episode 68 of the Shining Brightly Podcast Show, (links in the comments), titled LEADING WITH COURAGEOUS KINDNESS, I welcome a dear friend, interfaith advocate and best-selling author of “Healing a Shattered Soul” – Mindy Corporon. Ten years ago, Mindy lost her father William Corporon MD, her oldest son Reat Underwood and a third victim Teresa LaManno (may there memories be only for a blessing for all who knew and loved them) were killed by a white supremacist in a domestic terrorism shooting at the Jewish Community Center on April 12, 2014. We discussed the last ten years and Mindy’s nonprofit SevenDays Foundation – teaching empathy and kindness to children / teens and her work with companies and human resource groups with Workplace Healing, a Human Recovery platform. Lastly, we bring the talk to the current shootings at the Oxford High School in Michigan, Uvalde School in Texas and recently a shooting a the Superbowl parade in Kansas City. Please come listen, download, share and review this emotional and powerful episode.

Mentioned Resources –

• Website - www.mindycorporon.com
• Healing a Shattered Soul - https://www.mindycorporon.com/healing-a-shattered-soul/
• LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mindycorporon/
• Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/MindyCorporonLLC/
• Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/mindycorporon/
• Twitter - https://twitter.com/MindyCorporon
• Workplace Healing - www.workplacehealing.com
• SevenDays - www.sevendays.org

About the guest –  

Mindy Corporon, Co-Founder of Workplace Healing and the Human Recovery Platform™ helps employers transform how they support an employee experiencing a life disruption. By balancing the head-based corporate environment with empathetic heart-based support, leaders preserve long-term productivity, retention and morale. The former CEO of a successful wealth management firm, Mindy was in the middle of raising two talented boys when her father and oldest son were murdered by a white supremacist intent on killing Jews. Author of Healing a Shattered Soul (2021), Mindy delivers inspiration from her unique life experiences and mentors how to lead with courageous kindness. 

About the Host:

Howard Brown is a best-selling author, award-winning international speaker, Silicon Valley entrepreneur, interfaith peacemaker, and a two-time stage IV cancer survivor. He is also a sought-after speaker and consultant for corporate businesses, nonprofits, congregations, and community groups. Howard has co-founded two social networks that were the first to connect religious communities around the world. He is a nationally known patient advocate and “cancer whisperer” to many families. Howard, his wife Lisa, and daughter Emily currently reside in Michigan, and his happy place is on the basketball court.

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Hello, it's Howard Brown. It's the Shining Brightly

Show. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome another amazing show on tap

here. I have the incredible Mindy Corporon with me, Mindy,

how are you?

I am wonderful, Howard, I'm so excited to be on

your show.

Oh, It's amazing. Unfortunately, we're gonna dig

deep a little bit today, we got some topics that make make

people a little uncomfortable. But we have to deal with some of

that, as I call it, him and I booked darkness in order to

shine our lights. And we're gonna we're gonna dig in,

because I think it's really important that you share your

story and how it actually goes out into the world. And people

have to be able to deal with their resilience, their

emotions, their feelings in today's world. So let me tell

you a little bit about Mindy. Mindy is impressive. And I will

make a quick disclaimer and a shout out to front edge

publishing and read the spirit magazine. We share the same

publisher our books, and so will shout out to them. They did a

great job for us. Were best selling authors and publish. So

it's really great. So Mindy Corporon is the co founder of

Workplace Healing, and the Human recovery Platform, which is

trademarked and we're going to talk about that and what that

is, she helps employers transform how they support an

employee experiencing life disruption. By balancing, head

base, corporate environment, and empathetic heart based support

leaders preserve long term productivity retention, and more

Raul, and you are the former CEO of successful wealth management

firm. Mindy, you are in the middle of raising two talented

young men, young boys, your sons and your dad and your oldest son

were murdered by a white supremacist in a domestic

violence act, intent on killing views. And in this heytvelt

environment today, this is really relevant. You are the

author of healing of a shattered soul and 2021 you deliver

inspiration from your unique experiences, and mentor how to

lead with courageous kindness. I just have to let that sink in

for a second Mindy, because it's it's it's so powerful. And I

just want to actually always start by saying that your dad

and your son made their memory be for a blessing for all of us

who loved and knew them. That's a Jewish prayer. But we we have

to we are honouring their memory by speaking about them today. So

thank you. Tell me something and tell my audience something that

we may not know about you.

When you asked me that question earlier, you

said the okay, you're gonna be prompted to answer this

question. I was like, I feel like I am such an open book.

Because I wrote a book. And it was all about me. So I know,

this isn't like the easiest thing. You're thinking, why

don't you just have something off the top of your tongue?

Because I think so much about me is out there. So I think what

might be helpful is to say to people, especially listening to

your podcast, and after they hear everything, and they hear

what I've done, and you just read my bio, and even I listened

to him when I listened to my bio, I'm like that, that is

impressive. That is a lot of effort. That was a lot. And I

look back, and it's a lot of effort. I will say what people

probably don't know about me is that frequently I wake up in a

cocoon. And I wonder what is next? I do not always know, what

is next. You know, I think we I think that we look at people who

achieve, and we think they got it going on. They're always on

top of things. And I frequently wake up and think what is next.

So what people might not know about me is that when that

happens to me, I pray, I meditate, I pray, and I journal

and I write out my thoughts. I write out my fears, immediately,

and I and then I and then I have gratitude. And I turn that into

gratitude. And then I kind of let it flow. So I think that

might be really helpful for people to understand about me,

so that as we go on and have our conversation, they'll they'll

look back at this and say, that is something that helps her move

out of that stuck moment. So I get stuck, and to move myself

out that those are the things that I do.

Well, this is your moment. So you share it you

share that and that's what you do your your journaling and

you're writing it down to to get through the moment. So thank you

for sharing that. So this show is all about the human resolve.

And when we step into darkness, we can learn from that darkness

but hopefully not stay there too long. And I am all about get

back up again. Use your light to get yourself back up and then go

lift up others and you have certainly a model for that. So I

would like an eye I get I'm sure it's painful every time that

could you give us a little from your book, I'll recount a little

bit about the situation. What happened on that dark day at the

Jewish Community Centre in Kansas City?

Yes, Howard. I can. It's been 10 years this

April marks the 10th anniversary of losing my Dad and son. And it

seems like yesterday. And it seems like forever ago. Do you

just look at the time when time marches on And anyway, I can, I

can just remember what I felt like it after your one and after

your two and now I'm sitting at your, at your 10. And I don't

have to pick up my book and read it to remember it because I

remember it so vividly. So sometimes I can't remember where

my car keys are. Or, you know what, what I'm supposed to do

next. But I remember April 13 2014. So, so vividly. And it's

important to say and I'll go through it rather quickly for

the sake of what we want. I know what we want to get to today.

But on April 12, we were a family of four. And on April 13.

We are a family of three. That's my small unit, my larger unit.

We also lost my dad. So I lost my dad and my son on the same

day. heard me on April 13. And the way it transpired is I was

supposed to drive my son Reat to an audition. He was a performer

as singer a dancer, vibrant, he could memorise books from the

age of four, he was just this amazing gift. And he was also at

genius level. So we've had him tested, he was off the charts.

He was in the special, you know, gifted classes, and he was in

Boy Scouts. He was just he was just so much. And he really

lived a very full life could have lived so much more. But

it's I'm so grateful that he lived as much as he did with the

time that he ended up having. My dad drove my son Reat to the

Jewish community centre, because I needed to be at our younger

son's lacrosse game. So as a parent of two boys, I'm a boy

mom, and they were in sports. They were in activities. Right?

It was in theatre. And this was his third performance third

audition, I had to get him to the other two. And he had

already made them so he was already going to be in Tom

Sawyer for the summer, and he was already going to be in this

great performance troupe for the year. It was a 12 month

programme Starlight stars for the year. And those he had just

received acknowledgement of him getting in those groups. And now

this was the third one. It was at the Jewish Community Centre.

And I expected to drive him and Lucas had a lacrosse game. My

younger son had a lacrosse game. Reat stepped in and said Mom, I

think you know Popa ended up picking me said I think you

should go to Luke says lacrosse game. So now on April 13. I am

fidgety because I thought I should be driving him and my

dad's coming to take him. And in the kitchen, I'm waiting on my

dad to get there and Reat comes bounding down the stairs and

he's wearing a suit and a tie and a fedora. And I can just see

him coming into the kitchen and and I said the mom thing. You

need to warm up your voice. And he did. He did all the me me me

and warmed up his voice. And then he sang the 36 bars of on

the street where you live. And then he's saying You're gonna

miss me when I'm gone. He said mom, they might let me sing two

songs. And the second song is this one and he's saying You're

gonna miss me when I'm gone. And I just stood there so proud of

him and listened to him sing. My dad showed up. The last words I

said to my son were I love you. Good luck. And he said I love

you too. Mom did not know those would be the last words he would

say to me. And I showed up at the JC I showed up at the

lacrosse game. And here's the interesting thing that lacrosse

game got cancelled due to weather. I went to the Jewish

Community Centre I got there before he would have even

started his audition and I thought this is miraculous. This

is miraculous that I'm driving in and they he shouldn't have

even maybe been here or in the building. And I found my dad

already murdered next to the truck. I pulled into the parking

lot. And my dad's body was lying next to the truck. And it was I

was hooked. FIDE, and I pressed on the gas pedal more, and I

pulled the car. And I just ran to my dad. And it was so

apparent that there was nothing I could do for him. And it's so

important for me to share this with you, Howard and all of your

listeners, because there are, you're gonna call it God, I call

him God, you can call it the spirits, you can call it, you

know, people who've crossed over, I was leaning into my dad

and I felt this pressure on my shoulders, pressure to push

back. And visually, I knew I could not help my dad and I felt

this pressure and I stepped back. And I heard the words,

your father's in heaven, go find rate, loud and clear. And there

was no one around, there was no one around. And I looked to the

left, and that would have been an easier path to go to the left

around his body. But I didn't take that path. I took a harder

path and I went around the truck. And I found my son in the

arms of two men. And so the shooter had shown up only

minutes really before me, and he'd murdered my dad on contact.

And he had shot rate through the winch through the driver's side

door. And people had heard gunfire, and they had come

running to help. The gunman had shot up the place. There was

glass everywhere. He evidently had shot at about 17 people on

the way out of the facility. And I had just missed this like,

barely missed it. I pulled in, probably as he was pulling out

or at the stoplight past me. The police had even asked did you

see this white car, they described it, I had not noticed

that I'd seen it nor had I seen some crazy man driving out. And

these two men are holding my son in their arms. And after that a

lot of chaos happened. A lot of chaos. I didn't go with him in

the ambulance to the hospital because I wasn't there when the

ambulance showed up. I had been placed inside. So much, Howard,

I talk about it in detail in the book. And I go through every

painstaking detail of what happened. But about 30 minutes

later, my husband and younger son and my mom and my and my

younger brother and I are all in a car, driving to the hospital

where we know that they have taken rate, my son. And we know

that my dad has been murdered. And we're just, it's

unbelievable. It's an unbelievable feeling. And then

we got to the hospital. And within about 10 minutes, the

director of trauma I didn't know that was his role at the time,

he was the director of trauma and he had been in the emergency

room. They had called him when Reat was brought in. And he came

in and he said to the room really no one in particular

because he didn't know who was who and he said, the young man

who was brought in from the headshot wound did not survive.

We lost his heartbeat in the ambulance. And that sentence

just sent us all on the floor, just that sentence and it was

earth shattering. And it's earth shattering to feel it again, and

to say it. And so my life shattered, our lives shattered.

And then from that moment, we really had to start thinking

about how are we going to put the pieces together again, and

that's and then that just changes who I became it

literally changed the trajectory of, of where I would go in my

life and for the past 10 years.

Thank you, I'm I'm shaking a little bit. I mean, I

know you and, and I know your story. I have your book, right

here, I read your book, and just hearing you say those words are

getting a little bit of emotional, because I'm feeling

I'm feeling empathy, but I'm feeling sorrow. I'm feeling a

lot of things right now. And two things I want to tell you, I

noticed when you were describing Reat, singing and warming up his

voice, but even saying that you're gonna miss you when

you're gone. And your last words to him. You lit up your light

was beaming, beaming, beaming, beaming. So I want to tell you,

I noticed that and then the thing that I actually didn't

pick up from the book and knowing you, you were like

driving into an active shooter situation. I did not know that

as well. And this is horrifying. And God I just so many things

are you're not Jewish. You were there for a play. You know, it

doesn't matter is bullets are indiscriminate. And I you know,

I do a lot of work in the interfaith world and in the hate

world. So I consider anti semitism Islamophobia Asian You

know, bias, it's all hate. And we have to learn that somewhere

we don't choose, you know, we can choose to hate, but we can

also choose not to hate. And so your world got turned upside

down. I weld you know, two times with stage four diagnosis, it

comes to a screeching halt. What are you supposed to do next?

Right? What are you supposed to do next? You lost your dad and

your son in a blink of an eye. It's really, really incredible.

So if I can

answer, I first want to answer what do you do

next? And what I will, what I'd like to say is you breathe, you

breathe, you just breathe, okay? Because it's hard to breathe.

It's hard to find your breath, I felt like a building had fallen

on top of me. And I couldn't breathe. And so that is such a

heavy, heavy feeling that we get. And I just, it still comes

to me on occasion. And so I want people to know, what do you do

next. And literally, the first thing that you do is you

breathe. And you just breathe, you just breathe again and you

start breathing. And and then the other thing I wanted to make

sure that you know this, I think that you do you and I completely

share the whole interfaith world. So because they were

murdered by a white supremacist, which it took me probably, I

don't know, maybe four days to understand to understand that

and figure it out. I didn't we didn't understand how this

happened. And so that then clearly we know and we learned

very, very quickly, that he was a white supremacist and was

intent on killing Jews, but but part of my initial healing

process was to find out everything I quote about

Judaism. And while I was finding everything I could about

Judaism, I thought I'm supposed to be Jewish. I didn't I thought

I'm supposed to be Jewish, and I and I talked to some a rabbi, I

talked to many of my Jewish friends. I talked to them about

Jesus, what do they know about Jesus? Because I was raised a

Christian and we had a lot of conversations about that. And

then the middle of that Howard. months, four months into that

five months into that a Muslim boy was murdered in Kansas City.

And his friends wanted me at the vigil, his friend said, can read

Underwoods mom come to the vigil. And I thought, Okay, God,

I'm Christian. I was thinking maybe I'm supposed to be Jewish.

And now I'm going to Muslim boys vigil. So my world was twirling

at best like whirling, topsy turvy. And and I did a, I still

do a deep dive and am very open and and ingratiating to

interfaith conversations and learning about others. And just

like you said, we are not born with hate, we are taught hate,

and the shooter in particular was taught hate, particularly by

his father, I'm not going to pull his mother in I don't know

anything about his own mother. This man was 74 at the time, I

mean, he he, quote, should have known better but didn't because

he was filled with hate he he just had a diatribe of hate. And

the district attorney said to us, we have never looked someone

in the eye, who is more evil than this man. So I have come

face to face with evil. I know it exists. So I wanted to share

breathing, and our and our joint love as the interfaith work, I

thought that was important to just pull in right at that

moment.

I appreciate that. Thank you for sharing that as

well. And, you know, I have a whole chapter in my book on

interfaith relations. And I actually look at it from an

openness of getting to know the other culture The food's the

history, though. It broadens you, okay. But many people close

that off. They want to live in a in a closed loop or a closed,

we call it a shtetl or a lower, it's safe,

but they want to live where it's safe. I

know. But that's not the world we live in. The

world we live in is made up of all sorts of people of different

colours and origins and backgrounds and ethnicities and

religion. I think it makes it more interesting. So you're an

iron. Yeah,

you're right. It's safe isn't the right word.

I meant comfort. Like say like, I wouldn't feel comfortable.

They want to people want to stay where they're comfortable.

They're comfortable. So I didn't I know when we use the word safe

that nowadays people are like, Oh, was there a live shooter?

You know, I mean, our world define defining the word safe is

difficult. I should have said people want to stay where

they're comfortable. And they want to be around people that

make them feel comfortable. And so that is usually what we look

like. We want to be around people that we look like rather

than people around that we don't look like or we don't understand

their foods or their cultures. And and I put myself into many

people's homes and many people's places of worship Hindu, Muslim,

Sikh, to find and Jewish to find out more about people when that

happened. And so the foundation that we opened, was initially

called Faith always wins. And it was an interfaith foundation and

isn't interfaith, it still is an interfaith Foundation. We just

changed the name to seven days. So I know well, we can talk

about that. Let's talk about that. No, but it was all about

interfaith the first four years. I mean, everything was

interfaith, everything. Yeah, well,

I want to hear just a little bit because we

don't have all the time in the world. But just to take a little

bit about how you put the pieces back together again, as best as

you could. And then tell me about what you've been doing

this, I want to hear about the seven days foundation, I want to

hear about workplace healing. So let's let's dive into those

those areas. So putting

the pieces back together, we put pieces back

together, but it doesn't look the same. Right? It's a totally

different mosaic. And I should say, I think it's important that

I say, We, my husband and I and our our younger son, who is now

21, he was 12. When this happened, he was 12 years old.

And we look back at time that we lost, not only because my dad

and Reed were murdered, I mean, I mean, that is the catalyst, so

we lost them. But we also lost so much. Alright, so we lost

their lives, and then we lost so much. And so to help our son

Lucas, thrive, he was kind of surviving, but to help him

thrive, we had to make significant life changes, and

significant life decisions. And so we put the pieces back in a

different mosaic is what we have done. And so to talk about seven

days, so our foundation was originally called Faith always

wins. And it was named by a Jewish man, a Jewish friend of

mine, who was originally on our board of directors. His quote to

me was, Mindy, every time we talk, you have said you, you are

surviving because of your faith. And so what if we named the

foundation faith always wins. And so we named that foundation

faith always wins. And then just a deep dive and, and more

pragmatic, because I'm very pragmatic, about four to six

years in, we still were not quite raising the funds that we

wanted. People say, oh, I want to learn about that. I want to

know about interfaith, but they don't find it, they do not find

it, you know what they find, they find kindness, they find a

kindness, which is if you're inclined to someone who isn't

like you, that could almost look like interface. But if you don't

call it interface, and you call it kindness, it's just easier to

fund it. And the corporation's won't find something that says

faith in it. They have bylaws that say they won't find faith,

it took too long for us to talk about the story about who we

were. So we changed it Howard to seven days and seven days means

seven days, make a ripple change the world. So can you be kind

for seven days? Okay, can you be kind for seven days, and that's

been our mantra from the beginning. We also we teach

kindness, our specific mission statement is we overcome hate by

promoting kindness, through education and dialogue. And it

took, I don't know, three strategy sessions to get to that

several different years, different board members. And

it's amazing, it's just it really has been a fantastic

journey to meet and greet and get the breadth of seven days

into for sure our region, our Kansas City region, and then now

we're in about 13 other states. And what that means is when I

say we're in 13, other states, we offer grants to schools,

middle schools, high schools and elementary schools who want to

have a kindness club, or they want to have a kindness walk. So

we have applications on our website for that. We focus on

the youth, Howard, because when you and I were younger, I know

adults said to you adults said to me, youth are going to change

the world. You kids, you guys are going to change the world.

And you know what, Howard, you and I we believed them? Yeah, we

did. We did I believe them. And look where we are you and I are

making a difference in the world? Well, when we look at our

youth now, people are complaining about them. They're

complaining about how much they're on social media. They're

complaining about what they're wearing, or what they're not

wearing. I mean, just people are complaining, you know what they

are, they are also who's going to change the world. So we focus

on the youth and we give them a chance to play in events. We

give them a chance to make do activities. We mentor them in

philanthropy. We mentor them in what does it mean to be kind and

we are helping them learn to be kindness influencers. So that is

what has morphed and transformed from the very first day to the

foundation now called seven days.

That's beautiful. Take me into just a teeny bit

about workplace healing as well.

Thank you workplace healing. So in the

middle of running a seven days as the executor, and President,

I did that for nine years, and writing the book that the

healing a shattered soul. And I just want you to hold the book

up one more time because you have it and I want to show

people. Okay, so you can see my Silhouette really well, but you

can't see the background of the book yet. Hmm. Hold it really?

Behind you. Yes, I know. That's what I want to show the

background is this painting, right? So I, when someone sees

the book, they're gonna say, I saw that somewhere else, it's

gonna be the painting behind me. So I dived into writing,

healing, a shattered soul to really work on healing. Again, I

journal, I wrote, also many feelings and emotions and

specifics about what happened. So I had the foundation and I

was writing the book, and the book was, you know, kind of in

process, but at the same time, Howard, shootings kept

happening, people kept losing other people, I was back at

work. And I realised that no one knew what to do or say for me,

and that I was helping them along the way. I was training

them on what to say and when to say it. And then many people in

my network are in the C suite. Because I was a co founder and

owner of a wealth management company, many of the people when

I went to events, you know, I was, and I'm just don't mind

going up and saying hello to anybody. So I met a lot of

people in the C suite. And they would come to me in on in live

events. And I would say, can I talk to you about my employee

whose husband died, like, okay, and I realised that there's a

huge gap, that we have HR resources, we have employee

assistance programmes, but we don't have training on when

someone really has a significant life disruption, cancer, stage

four cancer, how do you talk to someone who has stage four

cancer, right? If you're thinking, Oh, my gosh, stage

four cancer, this person may die? What am I going to say to

them? Right? What am I going to say? And so you, I know have

helped people talk to you. So I experienced this horrible

tragedy. And I realised that I was helping people talk to me.

And workplace healing was born, I wanted more empathy in the

workplace, I wanted leaders to understand that they could take

a role, they could have some responsibility, and take a role

in re engaging employees and helping employees along the way.

And so workplace healing was born in 2018. And, and now it's

a, we have a software, I'd laugh because I never thought I would

own a software company. So that's kind of why I chuckle

about it. But it was consulting. And now it's human interaction.

And it's innovative technology. And it's an empathy

implementation tool for companies. And that's, that's

what we're working to do is help companies help their Grievers

get back into the fray of work.

And you're still teaching kindness. And I'm still

what you call courageous kindness, which is your which is

your tagline as well. So I want to take this to a real life

right now. Because we here in Michigan, we had a high school

shooting, there's been many, the Oxford high school shooting,

which and I will actually just honour by reading the names

Madison Baldwin, Tate Meyer, Hannah St. Juliana, Justin

shelling, they were killed, there was many more that were

wounded. And I have to tell you that that hit home because it's

only about 45 minutes away from where I live, it affected so

many people. And I, I know that I think you even called with the

Uvalde school shooting, they called on your expertise there

as well. And I know you might have spoken to some folks down

there, and there's just somebody to mention. And then just

recently, and I know that you've are now in Florida and not in

Kansas City, but that's your home base, but just at a

celebration for the Super Bowl at the Kansas City Chiefs that

in your hometown. Basically, there was a shooting and these

are younger kids shooting and many injured in one death. And I

just I'm kinda again numb, you know, it's just that where's the

the world gone? And on all this violence and, and just it just

really hurts me because I live in the world of cancer. And I

know that 53,000 People are going to die from colorectal

cancer in the US this year. doesn't make it any easier. But

the shootings? God,

it couldn't be stabbed. Yeah. The shootings

could be prevented. That's the right word that you use the

right word. The shootings could be prevented. Yes, and you thank

you for mentioning the students names Who who passed from the

Michigan shooting that you're talking about? Lisa Lopez Galvin

lost her life. In Kansas City. There were 1,000,001 million

people at the Chiefs parade. 1 million people there, and 22 to

23 other people were injured. And as you said, many of them

children, and I don't, I don't know their names and I wouldn't

read them off because they're minors and their and their

living and they they deserve what privacy they do want. But I

do know that Children's Mercy hospital had children who had

gunshot wounds, from age six to age 15, age six, and, and it is

preventable and looking at the murderer who murdered my dad,

and my son and Terry Romano. So there were three people

murdered. So I said that he shot at other people at the JCC. And

then he drove in his car and he went to Village Shalom, and he

shot it to more people and murdered Terrell Amano. So the

three of them lost their lives that day, so he had been taught

hate. Now, I thought, this is something really interesting. I

thought, after dad and Reed and Terry were murdered, that when

people murder or use a gun to to injure someone they must hate.

And I was corrected very quickly by a mother, who is the she runs

the chapter of mothers in charge in Kansas City. And, and her

group focuses on helping people. Right after there's been a

shooting, they go down and help, especially if there's a student

involved, but I think they go down for every shooting in

Kansas City. Unfortunately, they're very busy. So it's

called mother's in charge. And she said to me, I don't know

maybe eight to nine months after the murders, I was getting

invite, you know, could I come? Speak at this? Could I come to

this? Could I do this? So in the, you know, nine months to

two year timeframe, I met her. And I said something about?

Well, you know, they everybody that murderers hates, and she

said, Oh, no, they don't hate. She said her son was murdered

for a watch. There was no hate. There was I want that. Greed.

They don't know how this man who murdered her son didn't know how

to have a conversation or just be angry about something or just

want something and realise that he couldn't have it. He wanted a

watch that her son had. And he came in and shot her son and

took the watch. He's she said there was no hate involved. And

that just really threw me for a loop. And so I don't know who

the juveniles are at all, that have that have been arraigned

for the most recent shooting in Kansas City. But the

conversation that's happening amongst many, many people right

now is students in our area need more? Not just parental but

parental and adult interaction parental and adult guidance.

And, and yes, there is, you know, how did they get guns and,

you know, getting guns out of their hands and all of that, but

there's also why would anyone that age even want a gun, if

they had enough adult, you know, engagement that was really

helping them find a different path.

I think it's education that you know, giving

them mentorship and guidance so that they they know boundaries.

It's a complicated, and it's a whole nother episode that will

have you back on and we can dig deep on and all that. That's

heavy, it weighs heavy on me. I want to actually turn our from

our conversation and put on our sunglasses. We're going to shine

the spotlight on you now Mindy. And I want you all look at those

glasses. Those are hot. All right. But I want you to tell my

audience how they can best get a hold of you. And then I want you

to leave, leave with a little inspiration of a quote or a

story or lesson and then kick the show back to me to close.

You know what Howard? I what I want to say is,

you know for inspiration. I watched the sunrise for

inspiration. I think about my son's quote, my son's quote is

live life to the fullest and never give up. He had that quote

on an Instagram page or whatever social media he was using at the

time. I had no idea. So I always say live life to the fullest and

never give up. Because we don't know when our last day is.

Nobody knows. And I don't want to waste one minute of one day I

am living life for my dad. I'm living life for my son. I'm

living life for myself. And I'm living life to help others do

the same. live life to the fullest and never give up. So

Howard brown I'm moving it back to you. Thank you so much for

having me. I'm shining brightly because you shine brightly well.

I appreciate that. You missed one thing. How should

people get in touch with you?

Oh, Howard, I always forget about that part.

I'm sorry. I was thinking so much about the quote. How should

people get in touch with me? Well, Mindy Corporon, mindy Corp

or O N, it's super easy to find me LinkedIn. seven days is

SEVENDays.org. That's our foundation. So it's dot org. And

workplace healing is workplace healing spelled out workplace

healing.com. I'm on Facebook. I'm on Instagram, but I really

don't know how to use Instagram. I need a tutorial. But LinkedIn

is great. And I would love for people to get hold of me through

you because I'd like us to stay connected. Well,

they can certainly contact me I'm going to include

your links in the show notes and also on social media posts and

all that. And please, if you want to learn and take a deeper

dive into Mindy's story, and learn how to use courageous

kindness in the world, healing a shattered soul. It's on Amazon,

you can find it on her website and her link pages as well.

Mindy, thank you for being here and sharing part of your story

and how you've chosen to make the world a better place. And

that's what shining brightly, you know, means means to me.

I'll give again, a shout out to front edge publishing and read

the spirit amplify you my podcasts house. And I just you

get a hold of me at shining brightly.com This has been such

an amazing episode. And please consider downloading listening,

sharing and reviewing. And if we choose to shine brightly, just a

little bit each day, which we have today, Monday for

ourselves, and then go lift up others and our communities and

our neighbourhoods and the world. We will all be in a

better place. So thank you. Thank you for being here.

Thank you, Howard.