Tony Desiere and Lauren Mallard dive into the enchanting yet spooky world of Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween Party and Halloween Horror Nights at Universal Studios. As the holiday season approaches, they share essential tips for navigating these beloved events, ensuring that attendees maximize their experience. From arrival strategies to food recommendations, the duo emphasizes the importance of planning ahead, especially for first-time visitors. They discuss character meet-and-greets, exclusive treats, and the unmissable entertainment options available during the festivities. Whether you're looking to enjoy a family-friendly Halloween celebration or a fright-filled night, this episode provides valuable insights to help you make the most of your Halloween adventures at the theme parks.

Lauren and Tony give their tips on how to navigate the Mickey's Not-So-Scary Halloween Party as well as Halloween Horror Nights at Universal Studios. We give you the best ways to enjoy the shows, the food and getting your money's worth on this exclusive party-ticket events.

Takeaways:

• Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween Party offers unique experiences that differ from regular park visits.
• Arriving early to the Halloween party is crucial to maximizing your time and enjoyment.
• Dining reservations during the party can waste valuable time that could be spent enjoying attractions.
• Be aware of character meet-and-greets; some popular characters have limited availability during the event.
• Planning your evening around the parade and fireworks will enhance your overall experience.
• Halloween Horror Nights at Universal Studios is a distinct event aimed at older audiences with thrilling scares.

Companies mentioned in this episode:

• Disney Springs
• Walt Disney World
• Universal Studios
• Magic Kingdom
• Grand Floridian Cafe
• Epcot
• Haunted Mansion
• Tiana's Bayou Adventure
• Space Mountain
• Monsters, Inc.

Another edition of Wands and Wishes podcast.

Glad you could be with us.

We are at that spooky time of the year.

The calendar has now moved into the burr months, so now we are heading into the holidays.

Not only that, but we've got the Halloween season that was already upon us in August.

So in this episode, we're going to go over the Mickey's not so scary Halloween party, give you tips for that, as well as the Halloween horror nights at Universal Studios.

If you are planning to make that part of your fall vacation, a lot of people do go down for the especially the Mickey's not so scary Halloween party with little kids and there is a lot to process.

That's why we are going to do so.

Lauren Mallard, all the magic travel as we continue along.

How are you?

I'm good.

How are you, Tony?

My favorite time of the year.

Oh, I can see.

I'm actually looking behind you in your studio and I see one of the Mickey wreaths that looks just like the ones in Magic Kingdom.

I was able to get that a couple weeks ago.

I was down visiting my parents at Disney Springs and I brought it in to give us the feeling of the fall.

I love it this time of year.

There are two, there are three after hours events, but there are two parties that go on around this time, the Christmas party and the Halloween party.

And I know people will have their opinions on which one's the best.

Personally, I think it's the Halloween party.

I agree.

I think this is one of the best ways to experience Walt Disney World in something other than normally going to the park.

But it can be very, very tricky if you are navigating this for the first time or even the second time of some of the things.

So I thought we would throw out some topics and give some tips based on how you can kind of navigate this event.

So first off, these are selected nights.

So you got to get is a separate ticket.

You've got to get your ticket.

And how you manage this with your vacation depends on the current ticket package you have.

You can be in the park prior, you can come in later.

So let's talk about arrival.

What are some of the tips that you give on arrival to this event?

So one thing that I will talk about with my clients usually is if they are planning to have this be a rest day, which a lot of them will, because you do not need a park ticket if you have a Halloween party ticket.

right?

And that is going to be hot.

It's going to be even hotter if you are really dressed up in costumes.

So remember that.

Keep that in mind, but make sure that you arrive on time because you want to get all the hours in as possible.

So you get up to 8 hours, depending on what time you get there.

And about two in two years.

I've gone to the after hours party and I've gone to the Christmas party both times when you take the monorail, if you think you're getting there at quarter to four or even 330, and as that monorail is coming to the station and you just see that, you.

Realize you're too late.

You are realizing, oh, my goodness, I did this for the after hours party, realizing, oh, they've limited to only a couple thousand.

It was still an ocean of people.

It is at the front of that.

Gate, and you are overwhelming when you're first getting in.

And of course, the crowds will disperse once they're inside magic kingdom.

But just tapping in and getting in, you just want to make sure that you're allowing yourself plenty of time.

And they do go pretty quick, quickly with the magic bands, I mean, and getting you into the park and getting those wristbands on so that it isn't, once the line starts, you are going to be constantly moving, so you are going to be boogieing.

If you have a client that is in the park says, listen, I just want to make it wall to wall early morning, do not have to go to the front to get your wristbands.

No, you do not.

So starting at some point during the afternoon, close to time, for magic kingdom to close, you'll start seeing cast members around that have the wristbands for the party, and they will go ahead and just go ahead and give you those while you're in the park so that you're not having to take park time to go back up front to get that taken care of.

And I always tell people, if you're in that park that day, for that reason, if you're saying, look, I'm doing magic Kingdom all day, including the party, you don't have to get your wristband right away.

I've seen too many people saying, I missed a lightning lane because I had to.

I stood in line, don't do it.

Yeah, naturally you want to get them on as early as you can.

But if you've got a dinner reservation, if you've got a lightning lane pass or something, don't have.

Absolutely.

They're going to be looking for people that don't have park tickets by the time that magic kingdom closes.

And so they're going to make sure that those people are out of the park.

And at that time, if you don't have a wristband, they're not going to deny you one.

They're going to let you have one at that point.

Exactly.

One other thing, too, is, let's say you have a client that says, all right, look, we're park hoppers.

We're not going to rest that day.

We're going to Epcot.

What time would you recommend them get to the park?

I mean, could you.

You can just kind of go in.

Absolutely not.

You can go in at any time.

So that's totally up to you.

If you're not looking to really have a lot of park time, then I've heard of people taking a long dinner right before the party so that they're not having to take party time to get mobile orders or anything like that in Magic Kingdom.

If you're at Epcot and you want to have dinner over there before coming over, then you'll actually miss a lot of that crowd that's arriving.

And I always say, listen, if you've made magic kingdom at some point in your vacation part one or two days, there's no real reason to be in a line for an hour to get into the park.

There's not, you know, if you've already said, look, you know, we're doing it on Thursday night, Tuesday night, we spent the full day there.

Only reason I would say to people is get as much value as you can for your ticket, but don't wait in line for an hour if you've already done a full one or two days at Magic Kingdom to squeeze in some of that, because the party and the things you're going for are not.

So you can get those out of the way to enjoy the rest of the event, which we will get to in a minute.

Now let's get to food because this is always the best part about going to these events is what's on tap.

Now, I always tell people, know what you want to eat.

It's a balancing act because I know there are people who say, I want to be surprised.

I'm not looking at any blogs.

I am not looking at the food guides.

I want to go to every kiosk and restaurant and everything to see what they're serving.

I want to look at the menu for the first time.

But this creates a problem because if you don't know what's there, you don't know what you're filling up on and what you're going to be missing when you're not as hungry.

That chocolate cake spectacular in tomorrowland at 930, maybe you're too full for that and that's something you really did want, right?

Or if you, if you get to one and it's not really what you're looking for, then it's kind of a trek to get to the other side of the park to find something else that might be more up your alley.

So what I suggest in this regard is there are some sites that are, that have scouted out different bloggers that have scouted out the parties already that have maps.

They have maps for characters, they have maps for treats.

They have maps for exclusive food items that are part of the party.

I highly suggest that you take a look, look at these blogs.

I do not have one, but there are different ones.

And if you ask me, I can let you know which ones that I like the best and they'll kind of lay that out for you.

And I don't know what it is, but every time Halloween comes around, all these parks want to do spicy stuff.

I know, right?

Everything is a pepper jack burger.

You know, pepper jack this or it's very.

Everything's spicy.

Does it like scare the ghost away?

It might be.

That's what they want to do.

But I always recommend too is look, especially if you're on there.

If you're on vacation, there are going to be Halloween treats you can get at other times.

So don't think just the party is having some Halloween things, but there are things for the Halloween party that you cannot get.

So I say try to limit yourself to what you can only get at the party if you can.

I mean, if there are things you don't like, you don't like.

But if you can get some witch thing at any other time during the.

Fall or at another park, or at.

Another park, every park has it do that.

But if you can only get an item, Madame Liotta's candle for one.

Go for that.

Go for that.

Because this is one of the reasons you're buying the specialty ticket.

Yes, because.

So for the actual party, 5 hours might seem like a lot of time, but it's not at all because we're going to start getting into what all is included in that 5 hours and what all you're going to want to take part of.

So seeing that you can't use that time to get twelve different treats, you know, that's, that's a, that's a tough ask.

Yeah.

And then what about, what about sit down reservations?

I mean, I, I would say prior to the party, get it after the party, it just feels like you're wasting time.

I would avoid it.

You're wasting time.

You're thinking about, you know, if you're paying $189 per person just to get into the park, think about that.

On top of what you might pay for your crystal palace buffet or anything else that you're taking up an hour of your time, I would definitely say let's skip the sit down dinners.

Yeah, exactly.

Now, again, we're doing one at be our guest, but it's at 430, so we'll get that done and then the party begins and we're good to go.

That's perfect.

But I always tell people, look, I know there are going to be some reservations you can make, but think of your time at that park as a ticking clock.

Every second you're doing something that you could have done another day, you're missing out on something you can't do without that park ticket, that specialty ticket.

Now, game plan.

A lot of people love to wing these trips.

A lot of people love to wing parties.

Don't do it.

You can't do that.

You can't do it.

No.

So what I always suggest is let's talk about what your priorities are.

Do you want to meet characters?

Is the parade your number one priority?

Then let's look at the weather.

That would be my first thing to tell people to do, is say there's two parades.

The more busy one is going to be the first one.

That one's at 815.

Now, if it looks like the weather's a little iffy, they're not going to run that parade.

So go ahead and go to that first parade.

So keep that in mind.

Let's say we're going to the second parade.

Let's meet the characters that we want to meet first.

The very first priority is if you want to meet Jack and Sally, their line is going to start first.

So their line, they're going to start about 430.

Sounds crazy.

Do that.

The next one that I would say is a high priority this year is going to be Mirabel and Bruno are meeting together.

Exactly.

Any of those characters that are meeting as a group, those are going to be high priority.

Those are going to be the longest lines.

In the past, it's been the seven Dwarfs altogether.

I saw that they're not back this year.

I can't believe that.

Yes, I can't believe they're not back.

But then we have Elvis stitch over in Tomorrowland.

So take a look again.

This is where those sites that have everything spelled out, the maps of where each of these characters are going to be.

Take a look at that.

See which characters are priority because you are not going to meet all the characters.

So if you want to get in line for Jack and Sally at 430, go ahead and have mapped out where you want to go next.

Meet the characters first, then get a spot for the Hocus Pocus villains show that's going to have three different showings all the way until maybe the week of Halloween.

And then they're going to add a fourth show.

Yeah.

Fourth show is coming.

Yeah.

I think early October is when the fourth show is going to be.

Yes.

I would prioritize that show.

So those are going to be the heavy hitters and then whatever else you can get in.

In addition to that, there's about 14 to 15 trick or treated stops.

You can wait till the end of the night to do these.

You know what?

You're gonna fill up your bag regardless, so don't take time doing that.

Yeah.

And by the way, with trick or treating, and we'll get to it in a minute.

It is a lot of locations and a lot of candy and don't feel like you have to get to every single one of them, because, again, I mean, again, I gotta reiterate this.

There's a lot to do and not a lot of time to get all of it done.

Yeah.

And as a parent of three kids, do we really want five full bags of candy coming back to the hotel room?

Because I do not.

And you have to take this home.

That's right.

It's not exactly a travel, traveling thing you want to do.

Right.

Let's go over the shows really quick because you mention that the booty parade does have those two times.

You're right.

Catch the weather, because they won't do the night one if it's raining.

And if you miss it, you're missing out on.

You're missing so much.

They've got, this is the very best parade at Walt Disney World, so do not miss it.

They haven't changed in a very long time for a reason.

Exactly.

Please don't ever change it.

Don't change it.

It's great.

They're in costume.

It's fantastic.

You get to see the grave diggers.

You get to see the villains.

They've added the mini Daisy Sanderson sisters over the last couple of years.

This is a great parade.

So again, be wary of that, because, again, I'm a night.

I'm a second parade person.

I like the second parade.

It's much easier to find a location.

But again, if the weather is happening, it's not going to be that way.

And then we got the not so spooky fireworks spectacular hosted by Jack Skellington.

Don't miss that as well.

And then the hoax book is villain spectacular, as we mentioned, three shows until later in the fall when they're going to up it to four shows.

So again, get to your locations as quickly as you want.

Yeah.

And some of the smaller things that are going on, too.

There's a Disney Junior dance party that's over in Tomorrowland.

So if you have some smaller kids that are not enjoying some of the, like the bigger the villains show, things like that, take them over there, have dad take them over there and do the dance party for a little bit and then have the big kids do some of the other stuff.

But there's something for everybody, for sure.

All right.

Costumes.

Yeah, it's a big one because a lot of people like to be elaborate in costumes.

And it's fun when you're at your house and you're in all makeup and you're in a big costume.

Yeah.

In air conditioning, and you're giving out candy and it's only a couple of hours.

Yeah, but this is an eight hour thing.

If you get there at four.

Yes.

This is a five hour thing.

If you get there at seven.

Do you want to be walking around in heavy makeup and a big dress or a big outfit for that long a time?

So what I think is actually a good compromise is maybe do some t shirts that are themed.

A little Disney bounding going on.

So I remember back seven or eight years ago now, we did a Star wars theme for the not so scary Halloween party.

And I can still remember my husband, Chris was Han Solo, and I think that he just, I mean, he shot daggers at me all night because he was in this long sleeve long pants suit and it was a thousand degrees, so.

But it was fun and made for good pictures.

But again, I think that if you can get your point across for your costume and t shirts, then do it.

I didn't put the kind of connection together yet, but I got a lot of great looks.

People were like, nice job, well done.

And I didn't know I was playing like, an adversarial game.

I just found a pretty cool Harry Potter costume at party city.

And that's what I went with.

Yeah, I mean, I remember getting my picture taken, and one of the dwarves actually, like, said, hey, look at, and I was like, oh, I get it.

And it took me a while to kind of process it.

I'm like, oh, I get it.

A theme park war.

I understand.

That's right.

But I remember one of my kids was dressed up as one of the duck dynasty guys, and he was wearing the itchy beard all day, and that was gone by 2 hours.

Trashed that thing.

That was out.

And he just was, he was absolutely miserable.

So be comfortable with your costumes.

My wife and I are going in next week, and we're not wearing any costumes.

No cost.

And I was kind of bummed, and I said to her, why don't you wear, like a Winnie the pooh red.

Shirt with some, that's her favorite leggings.

And just, I'll get you the ears.

We'll get the earliest, and that'll be perfect.

So she's thinking about doing that.

Yeah, we're gonna do that.

Yeah.

But, so I think she should.

I think she should.

She definitely should.

Real quick, we went and mentioned trick or treating, but again, you don't have to go to every one of these things.

Don't feel like you.

It's not like an epcot where you're xing off the location.

Right.

Because it's gonna be the same variety of candy at every one of them.

You're not gonna get something special at one that the other one doesn't have.

All right, let's talk about rides.

I think this is one that.

I think you come in two camps when you do this.

People still want to do the rides even if they're doing the rides.

But there are no lightning lanes.

There's no buying a cut the line pass so the lines can move.

We said this before.

We did this in another podcast where when you eliminate all these things, you can see movement in the lines.

The question becomes time.

Yeah.

So if you're looking at seven dwarves, mine, train and hour plus, that's a, you know, a 20% of your night from seven to midnight is could be waiting in a line for one ride.

So I think, again, if you're going to be there later, I would save any rides as late as possible because those lines are going to get shorter as the night goes on.

One that I would prioritize is Tiana's bayou adventure is going to have a standby line.

That's right.

Which it normally does not have.

So go ahead, do something like that.

I saw someone posted last week that it had a 40 minutes posted standby wait, and they only waited 20.

So I do think that you can get some rides in, don't avoid rides by any means, but just take a look and see what you think you want to wait for.

And do keep in mind, again, because sometimes the lightning lanes do bog down the way the lights are going to be moving.

That's right.

Constantly moving.

Constantly moving.

That's what they do best.

It's one of the reasons that Disney, when it first came, they kind of revolutionized the theme park industry with the way it can move people through lines.

But I always tell people when you go to this, you must do haunted mansion and you must do it at night.

That's right.

Yes.

And there's a couple other ones.

Space Mountain has a Halloween overlay where it's actually, it's complete darkness, which I always question.

I'm like, well, isn't it always complete darkness?

But I guess it's even darker than dark.

And then it also has Halloween music.

And then there's a little overlay with Monsters, Inc.

And there's a couple different things at Haunted Mansion, too.

So be sure to check those out.

Yeah, absolutely.

Check those out.

Meet and greets.

You mentioned Jack and Sally earlier.

This is the most popular line you will find that night is getting your picture taken with those two nightmare before Christmas characters.

There is some people say get it later, but you got to be careful because some of these, they don't last until midnight.

Yeah.

Jack and Sally is one of those that will not last until midnight.

I think they stop meeting around eleven.

Most of the other characters will meet all the way until midnight, but especially some of those groups.

Go ahead and get them in earlier.

Get them in earlier.

So get in as quickly as possible.

And I always say, look, if you're going into the park and you're, again, you're on the vacation, you've done magic kingdom.

And again, those, those first couple of hours are nothing different than anything you've experienced earlier in the week or even later in the week during a regular park day.

Get that out of the way, because you might as well, because the party starts at seven and now you've completed something that is not necessarily taking up your party time.

That's right.

It's gonna take time, but it's gonna not take up your party time.

Yeah.

What about the villains?

Now?

Those are gonna be scattered throughout.

This is another opportunity for people to get very cool.

They are.

There's some different ones.

Maleficent is out there.

I saw a whole list.

So there again, that's where I would send you to some of these sites that have them spelled out by the map and go and take a look at which villains.

There's probably six or eight villains that are meeting.

So what I would probably do is choose one to two of those because you're not going to get all those either.

All right.

Popcorn buckets.

Yeah.

Always cool.

And the sipper.

That's right.

The sipper is like the little sister to the popcorn bucket.

Yeah, exactly.

So the popcorn bucket is Jack O'Lantern Mickey.

It lights up.

Up.

The sipper is the Sanderson Mini.

Yep.

So these are great to get.

What do you advise people on how and when to get them?

I've done it where I've gotten it, the very first thing I've walked through and had to carry it around with me all day.

I think it depends if you have nowhere to put it.

So if you have a stroller that we've found in the past that that's an excellent spot for a popcorn bucket or for a sipper so if you have something like that that you can clip it onto, go ahead and get it.

Get it out of the way, because they might run out some of limited things.

They only have so many of them.

Obviously, if you don't want to carry it around the whole night, just keep a watch on it, see if they still have them, and then get it before you.

And that line does move pretty quick.

They're pretty efficient with that as well.

When we went to the Christmas party last year, I wanted the Nutcracker Mickey, popcorn bucket.

The line, it was at the popcorn stand right before tomorrowland.

It extended all the way around by the castle.

And my wife was like, get in the line.

And I'm like, I'm looking at the watch going, I don't.

Popcorn time.

What are we doing here?

Here.

But we got in and it was cooking, and they just go, here, go pay, get your thing.

Go.

Do you want popcorn in it or not?

You can just buy it straight up and move along.

And, you know, the advantage if you get it early is you get your popcorn, and then a couple hours later, you can get a refill, and a couple hours later, get another refill, and then you've really gotten your money's worth.

You've really gotten your money's worth.

But the cool thing was, is I was carrying it around all day, and everyone was going, would you get that?

Where'd you get that?

I'm like, oh, yeah, it's over the kiosk over there.

And you'll be.

You'll find it.

So get those.

Just make sure you get them.

But again, don't wait too, too long, because when they're gone, they're gone.

They're not gonna.

They're not gonna give it back to you.

But again, we were just talking about how this is one of the more popular party tickets.

There's nothing better than Christmas time.

But, boy, they do fall great.

They do it nice.

They do it great.

All right.

Halloween horror nights over at Universal Studios.

This is an entirely different thing.

This is an entirely different one.

This is not for the faint of heart.

No.

Take your little kids to this.

Please don't.

No.

This is all about Gore.

This is all about scaring you.

This is all about a lot of different people who are paid to be as scary as they possibly can.

And they do it really well, and.

They do it great.

They do it great.

It is a world renowned event.

It's that big of a deal for the people that are involved in it.

And it's one of those kind of theme or events that builds upon itself because they do a haunted house and they find out what worked and what didn't, and they make the next one better, and they make the next one better and the next one better.

And as the years progress, they get really, really good at this.

Really good at this.

This is a really good event.

If you have a group of guys or a group of girls, adults, that want to go down for an extended weekend, this is a great way to do it.

You can do one or two days in universal studios and islands of adventure and then go to Halloween horror nights.

That night, just, just with the adults.

There are five scare zones, and then there are different haunted houses that you go through.

They, again, are really elaborate, like ghostbusters, insidious, themed, based on something that's kind of popular in pop culture at the moment.

The ghostbusters frozen empire haunted house is you get to see the little mini marshmallows and you get to eat one of the little mini marshmallows on a s'mores.

How cool it is.

Very, very cool.

They got a nice toasty marshmallow man on the chocolate and the graham crab.

Oh, I love it.

Yeah.

And again, same advice on the food.

Know what?

You want a lot of food items there and know what's in them, because again, we go into the spicy world when we get to Halloween time.

That's right.

So if you see something like the rocks from hell, which is just like a jalapeno cheese ball that's kind of, kind of black on the outside or anything like that, they're just a lot of, lot of spicy items, but find out what you want to do.

And again, a lot of the advice that we've been giving on, on the not so scary Halloween party is the same.

Have a game plan.

You're not going to do everything that night.

Know what houses you want to hit.

The lines are long.

Get into them.

Figure out, I want to do x, y, and z, I want to hit this, this or that because you probably won't get all of it in.

That's right.

Halloween horror night.

One contrast to Disney's party is that for this party, they actually do sell an express pass option.

That's right.

I'm not sure what all is included with that, but that is an option here if you wanted to take the most advantage of that.

Yeah, exactly.

So as we said earlier, the Halloween party at Disney, no lightning lanes, no nothing like that to get you ahead of things, but there you can.

That's right.

Absolutely.

Do that.

And this one's also done more nights out of the week.

It's done Wednesday through Sunday from now until October 31.

So it's, it's got quite a few more nights that it's going on.

And the other thing, too, is where, as you will see at Disney, you're gonna go to a specific location to see characters.

You're not gonna have Mickey just walking around the park or Donald walking around the park.

You gotta go find them and wait in line.

There are actors who are walking the parks constantly, and they're kind of jumping at you and scaring you.

It's kind of a cool environment for that.

I remember in the nineties, my wife and I were living in Las Vegas.

We went down to Los Angeles for Halloween horror night, and I went to go tie my shoe, and I put my foot on a ledge, just a small ledge, and I did not realize that there was a guy covered in leaves that popped up from that, from the bed of leaves to scare me while I was tying my shoe.

I would have died.

But I think you're right.

I remember in years ago when our kids were little, my father had the big, we had a big family reunion down in Orlando, and it was like, my brother, me, my sister, my wife, his wife, we all were like, what do we want to do tonight?

They're going to watch the kids.

Let's go to universal.

So we ended up, and back then you could get tickets.

So it wasn't like, now you better get your tickets early, right?

But we got our tickets when we went, and it was, it was a young adult kind of a great night.

Night of fun.

And that's really what, that's, that, that's what you're going to get there for.

Sure.

So great, great time.

So I hope you have enjoy your time.

Remember, reach out to us here at all the magic travel.

You can reach Lauren at lauren, all the magictravel.com dot.

You can reach me travelwithtonyd@gmail.com dot.

We'd love to get you hooked up on your Disney vacation.

And if you can't make it this time, we definitely will be looking ahead for you for not only the Christmas party, but any after hours events, anything that's special with Disney or just a regular old Disney vacation.

But if you are going down, hope these tips give you a hand because there is nothing quite like it.

And I don't want to.

I feel like there are things that can go wrong on these.

Oh, that's for sure.

You know what I mean?

And I just want to avoid, I want people to have it where they don't come out going because it's not cheap.

It's not cheap.

And we not not cheap.

And we want to make sure that when you leave, you are getting every value you could possibly get out of those.

All right, that's Lauren Mallard.

And I'm Tony Desiri.

Thanks for joining us on the Wands and Wishes podcast.

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I'm Tony Deseri.

That's Lauren Mallard.

And this is the Wands and Wishes podcast.