Join John Barker, a veteran in virtual CIO advisory services, as he breaks down his tried-and-true method for setting up a remote work environment that not only thrives but excels. With experience in managing a global remote workforce of over 450,000 users, John shares invaluable insights and practical steps to create a dynamic, cohesive, and productive remote working space, especially for those in the tech field.
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Episode Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:30 Benefits of remote work in tech
04:00 Step-by-Step Guide
08:30 Tackling common misconceptions
12:00 Corporate trends
15:30 Key takeaways.
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John Barker here for Titan of Tech virtual CIO advisory services.
Speaker:And today I want to break down the seven steps I used to set up
Speaker:remote work perfection for teams that I've run yes, it is absolutely
Speaker:possible to create a dynamic.
Speaker:Cohesive, productive environment for a completely remote workforce.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Now, obviously not everything can be set up for remote work, but if you're
Speaker:definitely in the technology field, which is whether you run a tech company or
Speaker:you work in tech, this is aimed for you.
Speaker:You absolutely can set up a remote work environment.
Speaker:Now, before we dive into the steps, you may wonder, what do I possibly know about
Speaker:setting up a remote work environment?
Speaker:Well, let me explain.
Speaker:I ran previously to COVID a large program that had a completely remote workforce.
Speaker:We had a worldwide footprint with over 450, 000 users that we were supporting.
Speaker:And my team was also part of other organizations teams
Speaker:that we collaborate on.
Speaker:Where everybody was completely remote.
Speaker:Everybody was completely remote.
Speaker:So this is not pie in the sky.
Speaker:This is something that I've actually done and have done it successfully.
Speaker:The clients were ecstatic with the amount of support and
Speaker:the way our teams functioned.
Speaker:The ingenuity and the creativity they were brought, brought to the, the
Speaker:platforms that we were supporting.
Speaker:And again, nobody ever saw each other.
Speaker:Very rarely did we ever get together.
Speaker:It was completely a work in my, a remote work environment.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:Let's start diving into how to set this up for your organization and also dispel
Speaker:a bunch of the nonsense that's out there because there's a lot of these Fortune
Speaker:100, Fortune 500 companies, the CEOs are, are bringing people back into the office.
Speaker:You're seeing some smaller places want to mimic or imitate them,
Speaker:but it's a bunch of garbage.
Speaker:It's a bunch of nonsense that really doesn't have anything to do with
Speaker:productivity, but we'll get into that toward the end of this presentation.
Speaker:So, let's define.
Speaker:Remote work first.
Speaker:It's not strictly just work from home.
Speaker:You can do it from a coffee shop.
Speaker:I've done it.
Speaker:Do it from the beach.
Speaker:I've tried it.
Speaker:Internet connectivity is a little flaky there, but definitely done it from a
Speaker:beach house or even grandma's kitchen.
Speaker:You know, you're home for the holidays.
Speaker:We just got over that.
Speaker:You know, as I'm recording this in January 2024, Thanksgiving,
Speaker:Christmas, New Year's, at grandma's house, baking some cookies, got
Speaker:your phone up, got your laptop up.
Speaker:No problem.
Speaker:This does not necessarily mean Strictly working from your own home
Speaker:office, it truly means to be able to be transient, you know, being able to
Speaker:get a high level of productivity, get everything done, but not necessarily
Speaker:just from one other location.
Speaker:That's just not a central office.
Speaker:The other thing, too, is this may not necessarily mean it's a flexible
Speaker:schedule for a lot of people.
Speaker:Yes, it absolutely can be.
Speaker:If you've got stuff where you get up early, I like to get up.
Speaker:Pretty early work for a couple hours, then go work out that, you know, that
Speaker:works for me, other people, you may have to still man a support center or a
Speaker:call center, something along that line where you still have to find work hours,
Speaker:you're just able to do that from home.
Speaker:So maybe a flexible schedule, maybe not.
Speaker:So it's just one of those things to keep in the back of the mind
Speaker:when we're starting to talk about what exactly does remote work mean?
Speaker:So let's start diving into some of the steps that I used to structure
Speaker:the teams that I had in play.
Speaker:So we actually were performing at a super, super, super high level.
Speaker:So the next, the first thing is everybody's got to
Speaker:have a measurable outcome.
Speaker:So this could be at the individual level, or this could be set based on the team.
Speaker:So they're kind of usually be to each, each individual person would have their
Speaker:own key metric that they have to do, and the team would have goals to set
Speaker:out that they would have to accomplish.
Speaker:We want to sit there and keep that toe 1 to 3, maybe 1 to 3 for each
Speaker:category, 1 for the individual.
Speaker:You know, you got somebody that's more skilled, they can do more.
Speaker:And also 1 or 2 for the team as a whole, because you want
Speaker:everybody to still have that.
Speaker:That singular point, that singular goal that they're aiming for.
Speaker:So it's one of those things to keep in mind, because what
Speaker:gets measured gets managed.
Speaker:And we want to make sure that we're always trying to increase the productivity
Speaker:that we're doing, and also keeping the quality up at the same time.
Speaker:Speed for speed's sake, and just to get stuff done, it's not good.
Speaker:What do you think all the support centers are awful?
Speaker:You ever call one of them and you get put on hold forever?
Speaker:The answer is you get bounced around and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker:And because, because the person on the other end of the line is getting
Speaker:tracked because their call was one second over what it was supposed to be.
Speaker:Yeah, you don't want somebody sitting on there and giving you their life
Speaker:story for 45 minutes, but at the same time to have an arbitrary
Speaker:number just to speed through stuff.
Speaker:It's not good for quality, and it kind of gets everybody irritated.
Speaker:Everybody's in a rush, and the customer at the end of the day is not happy.
Speaker:So you've got to remember that Parkinson's law work expands to fill time.
Speaker:So a lot of the stuff is going to be time based when it comes to productivity.
Speaker:But at the same time, there's a, there's a balance in there that you're gonna
Speaker:have to experiment with over time.
Speaker:The second step on here is centralized dashboard.
Speaker:So after you've defined what your team as a whole and as the individual,
Speaker:the couple of metrics that need to be tracked, They, you need a place
Speaker:to put them in these to be publicly publicly visible to your entire team.
Speaker:Some sort of web based, you know, it can be a Google sheet that
Speaker:is shared amongst your team.
Speaker:It can be something that is completely accessible by higher level managers.
Speaker:As well as every single person on your team and nothing should be hidden that
Speaker:keeps public accountability because nobody wants to be the weak link kind of gamifies
Speaker:scorekeeping in the job and if people, you know, nobody wants to be that last,
Speaker:you know, that bottom producer also it shows who needs maybe additional training.
Speaker:Where things are kind of slipping through the cracks and also by
Speaker:having a centralized dashboard, it keeps just dumb meetings down.
Speaker:I found that this really cut down on standardized meetings.
Speaker:The length of time we may still have had some remote meetings, but instead
Speaker:of them taking 45 minutes, maybe it was 10 minutes because all of the
Speaker:key metrics that we're tracking.
Speaker:And if I could click on them at any time of the day, there was
Speaker:nothing hidden from anybody.
Speaker:Which also led into a public communication platform so people could sit there
Speaker:and communicate because we were having an operation that was 24, 7, 365,
Speaker:there was no days off for anybody.
Speaker:So we had an open source platform that was free, that kind of was our centralized
Speaker:dashboard as well as communication.
Speaker:So our team members could talk to each other, but you can use something
Speaker:like slack or discord to just to keep up to date with the projects, ask
Speaker:questions, particularly for those things that are non vital, something
Speaker:that other team members have.
Speaker:Accessibility to not everything needs to be one on one private communication.
Speaker:You want to build that cohesive team when they don't have face to face, they need
Speaker:a way to talk to each other as a group.
Speaker:Maybe somebody has experienced something that would affect every other person on
Speaker:the team, or maybe there was some sort of oddball situation that that threw
Speaker:out there that they need to describe the situation and get feedback and
Speaker:input from other members of your team.
Speaker:Having one of those, a public communication platform, absolutely
Speaker:critical, critical to keeping your team cohesively working together when
Speaker:they're not sitting shoulder to shoulder.
Speaker:You need to have one to one communication.
Speaker:A lot of the platforms we mentioned before, discord.
Speaker:Slack, you got email, zoom, those types of things as the manager to
Speaker:set up those times when you need to have one to one communication.
Speaker:One of the things that I always did was stay in touch with
Speaker:my strongest performers more.
Speaker:Those are the ones that usually brought the little more creative solutions.
Speaker:They were recognizing patterns of things that were starting to degrade
Speaker:and they're like, Hey, here's ways we can improve this, or this
Speaker:isn't starting to work anymore.
Speaker:And so I would spend more time with them.
Speaker:To get those inputs so we could push the programs that we're working forward
Speaker:and bring new ideas to the table that would make things better for everybody.
Speaker:Now, one of the other things we're going into after you've got your
Speaker:communication down with your team is you may want to get together in person.
Speaker:You may want to set up a quarterly meeting that you bring everybody in or I usually
Speaker:did twice a year if it was feasible for everybody to get together again.
Speaker:Our operation was 24 7 365, so it was kind of hard to get.
Speaker:100 percent of everybody together, but it was one of those types of
Speaker:things that we did do that option.
Speaker:So people could go and hang out and do fun, but the, one of the
Speaker:things where it wasn't forced fun, definitely do not do forced fun.
Speaker:Don't be an ass about it.
Speaker:Don't sit there and force somebody to come in on an off hours when they're
Speaker:supposed to be off, not supposed to be working to do and make sure this is
Speaker:done on company time on a company dime, because there are so many times that
Speaker:you've Maybe you've seen this in other companies, even in, in person where it's
Speaker:like, all right, now we've got to go do this thing on a Saturday for four hours.
Speaker:I'm going to drive an hour and 40 minutes because somebody thought this would be
Speaker:cool to set together and it's that thing of it's not mandatory, but it kind of is.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Stay away from that stuff.
Speaker:You want to put a company event together and I would say the, usually the outside
Speaker:exception of that is maybe a, a Christmas holiday party type of situation, but
Speaker:just your random event in April because you want to get everybody together.
Speaker:Maybe it's cool.
Speaker:Maybe everybody will enjoy it.
Speaker:Make sure it's not forced fun in the, in the process.
Speaker:The other thing too, is not just tracking motion.
Speaker:Activity has nothing to do with results.
Speaker:Activity has nothing to do with productivity.
Speaker:Activity is just activity.
Speaker:So you want to make sure that the work being done aligns with the company's
Speaker:goals, aligns with those key metrics that were defined, and somebody is not sitting
Speaker:there doing a lot of stuff that doesn't integrate into what the overarching
Speaker:mission of what you're supposed to do is.
Speaker:So it's one of those things.
Speaker:There's, there's tons of tracking software out there.
Speaker:I've seen and heard, I've seen this personally as well as heard
Speaker:about it from others where let's say you're using Microsoft teams
Speaker:as your communication platform.
Speaker:Well, teams will color code who's online.
Speaker:So you can sit there and say red, they're busy or do not disturb
Speaker:yellow is maybe they're away green.
Speaker:They're actively online.
Speaker:And I've seen managers who absolutely had nothing to do, and they were
Speaker:just plain awful were sitting there tracking, Oh, they're yellow.
Speaker:Now.
Speaker:Oh, they're red.
Speaker:Now, you know, type of stuff to try to determine if that activity had anything
Speaker:to do with them actually being productive.
Speaker:They were sitting at the computer doing this.
Speaker:It's, it's absolutely a waste of time, particularly with the bulk of
Speaker:your probably going to be working in a small business anyway, set up key.
Speaker:Again, going circling back to that key tracking, what are the metrics
Speaker:that the people need to be doing to accomplish the goals and missions of
Speaker:the organization, not just tracking motion, not just tracking activity,
Speaker:which feeds into the last thing.
Speaker:Now, it didn't really, it didn't play for most of my team when we were doing remote
Speaker:work, but it was don't track the clock.
Speaker:And what, here's what I mean by that when you're working on the network
Speaker:engineering side of the house, there are those times where, yeah, maybe
Speaker:it's a 9 to 5, something along that line, but you've got those periods
Speaker:where the system's got to come down.
Speaker:Somebody is going to have to work at an off hours time where there's reduced
Speaker:capacity on the system to patch the system, or maybe they're deploying
Speaker:code new system into the updates.
Speaker:And maybe that's something that you have scheduled every 2 weeks.
Speaker:Instead of making, you know, that thing of, Oh, no, somebody's worked
Speaker:40 hours this week, but they're also going to have to stay, you know, the
Speaker:night to work another five or six, don't just track the clock track.
Speaker:What needs to be done?
Speaker:There's a thing in project management called critical chain path.
Speaker:And what happens is you literally cannot do the next thing until
Speaker:the previous work is done.
Speaker:So if you've got people on your team that cannot literally move
Speaker:forward because they're waiting for that next milestone to be hit.
Speaker:Cut them loose, let them go, because they're going to end up making that up
Speaker:and probably then some, seeing that on way too many projects, tech projects
Speaker:to deploy where it's like, Oh, hey guys you know, I just take Thursday
Speaker:and Friday off because we're, we're going to have some long days next week.
Speaker:Don't just sit there and have them sit there for the sake of sitting there
Speaker:because somebody arbitrarily said.
Speaker:Don't just track the clock.
Speaker:And these are things when I was working for other organizations
Speaker:that I would just do on my own.
Speaker:People saying this now that may have worked for me or didn't realize that.
Speaker:But again, my team had the productivity, the results, the
Speaker:client backing, excellent ratings.
Speaker:To back up the steps that I put into place that others were trying to emulate.
Speaker:And this was kind of the steps behind the secret sauce behind all of that stuff.
Speaker:Now that you've got those seven steps and follow those, find
Speaker:what fits your organization.
Speaker:Let's talk a little bit about some of this nonsense you're seeing in the
Speaker:news and other organizations about.
Speaker:Coming back to the office that this, this, the companies are sitting there
Speaker:going in person is more productive.
Speaker:That's a bunch of junk.
Speaker:There are so many HR studies that are out there.
Speaker:There are so many other reports from layout, you know, your entrepreneur
Speaker:magazine, things of that nature that have done studies on this stuff in person does
Speaker:not make things more productive in person.
Speaker:It's just another way to work.
Speaker:Matter of fact, most studies say the opposite.
Speaker:That's because there's no, if you just bring your bike to the office, there's no
Speaker:guarantee that they're sitting at their desk just because you physically know
Speaker:that they badged in on the system and you can see, oh yeah, Tommy's here today.
Speaker:Great.
Speaker:He must be working.
Speaker:It doesn't matter.
Speaker:It doesn't.
Speaker:Again, it comes back to what's getting done.
Speaker:It comes back to where you can go back to Tommy and go.
Speaker:Hey man, these, these five things were due, you know, and none of them are done.
Speaker:So what difference does it make where they're doing it at?
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:So there are, again, there are software out there where there is some extreme
Speaker:tracking going on that would make it to me a hostile work environment.
Speaker:I was reading some information about some financial institutions that
Speaker:you had to turn your web camera on.
Speaker:You had to turn your microphone on.
Speaker:There were every little action, how much your eye movement was on your computer
Speaker:screen, how much your conversations were, everything was being tracked.
Speaker:And if you fell outside of whatever the norm was, you
Speaker:could get reprimanded for that.
Speaker:That is absolutely not a place I want to be in and has really
Speaker:nothing to do with productivity.
Speaker:You want something like that.
Speaker:That's where your AI robots are going to come into play.
Speaker:That's going to be where that type of stuff goes because I don't know about you.
Speaker:I'm not a robot.
Speaker:I can't sit at the computer without having to get up and move around a little bit.
Speaker:Another one is another reasons behind.
Speaker:I think it has a lot to do with boosting real estate value,
Speaker:particularly in your cities.
Speaker:I've seen studies and reports there, San Francisco, in particular, one of the most
Speaker:expensive cities in the country, if not the world to live in, a lot of their tax
Speaker:revenue is dried up because real estate values are down because the occupancy
Speaker:rate of those buildings Is empty.
Speaker:So it's one of those situations where they're trying to get businesses.
Speaker:You gotta bring your people back into the office to boost that real estate value.
Speaker:'cause they wanna get that tax revenue in there because that million dollar
Speaker:that, that building that was worth a million dollars, you know, before covid
Speaker:may now be worth 7 50, 600, 500 depe because it's being vacant all the time.
Speaker:Another reason for these return to office companies that don't want
Speaker:to do like announced layoffs, they know that by forcing people to
Speaker:come back into their office, it is going to make them lose employees.
Speaker:That is something that they want.
Speaker:We're seeing this all the time in the tech sector now.
Speaker:So many tech companies are laying people off.
Speaker:Now your big guys, your fortune 500 probably.
Speaker:It may go strictly a little bit into the plan.
Speaker:They're more likely to sit there and announce, you know, a 5
Speaker:percent workforce reduction of 10 percent workforce reduction.
Speaker:But you're also seeing this as another way to get some attrition within the
Speaker:workforce and make them cut and run.
Speaker:And I think the last thing, and I think this has more to do, I don't
Speaker:know about the large businesses.
Speaker:But definitely your smaller ones, it's your insecure leadership, the ones that
Speaker:feel like they, the people are not being as productive if they can't touch them
Speaker:on the shoulder and do their thing.
Speaker:It's a bunch of garbage.
Speaker:Those are the type of places.
Speaker:If you're seeing that type of workforce, and I've seen that in about three
Speaker:different places, you need to cut and run.
Speaker:You need to go look for something else.
Speaker:So hope that helps use my seven steps, structure your remote team that way.
Speaker:You're going to get the results you're looking for.
Speaker:The trust will build with your employees and the benefits that they're going
Speaker:to get from not having to commute.
Speaker:More family time, more downtime is going to pay off because
Speaker:again, we're not robots.
Speaker:We're not, you know, yes, I think we're here to to provide value to the world
Speaker:and to your families, but it doesn't mean you have to sacrifice everything
Speaker:for a bunch of nonsense people that don't know what's going on till the next one.