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Well, hello everybody and

welcome back to another episode

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of Adult Child of Dysfunction.

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Today we have with us Hannah Dalby,

and I'm gonna let her just jump in.

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We're gonna have a great conversation.

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She has her own podcast called

Into the Jungle, which we will talk

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about, and I've actually been on that

podcast, so super fun, super fun lady.

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So welcome, Hannah.

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Thank you so much.

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Yeah.

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So what we're just gonna jump right in.,

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I know we talked about everything on your

podcast- … from recovery to dysfunction

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to crazy parents to- Yeah … you name it.

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But go ahead and tell the audience

and the listeners who you are and what

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you do, and let's just get into that.

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Yeah.

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, The business I run, The Jungle, is a…,

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to talk about it as quickly as I can,

the point of it is human integration,

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how can we become the best versions

of ourselves by bringing together

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all the fragmented parts, by, , being

the healthiest versions of ourselves.

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So we blend very deep somatic

processing, trauma processing, old

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patterns processing with strength

training, food coaching, aerial yoga,

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all biohacking kind of equipment.

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So it's really about, how much

of a whole human can we become?

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How much capacity can we have?

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How much more love can

we have in our life?

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, How much better can our relationships be?

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How much better leaders can we be?

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Sounds good.

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I think that's why, and we really

hit it off as far as what we talk

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about it, 'cause people always- Yeah

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hit me, are you?"

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And I'm like, "I'm a body,

mind, and spirit coach."

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I meet you where you're at.

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some people are having trouble with their

mindset, but some people have chronic

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illness from their chronic stress.

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Yeah.

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So it just…

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say at the end of the day, it all

follows us into adulthood, and we

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just have to peel back the layers

and like you said, deal with the

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whole body as, as a whole, not- Yeah

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not just one thing.

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So how did you get into this work?

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by complete accident actually.

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I ran a marketing company for 10 years.

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I was a professional athlete for 10

years, and I started the original version

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of this business just as cryotherapy,

compression, sauna, sports recovery.

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And I was still fighting at the time.

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I built it so I could

have the stuff for myself.

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And in that time I gave up fighting

and then realized that I had an eating

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disorder, and my body was really inflamed,

and I'd made myself really sick, and

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I had no relationships of depth around

me, and I'd burnt myself out so badly.

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And when you took away the escapism of

running a business and training for nine

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hours a day and all the things I was

doing, there wasn't much left around me.

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so I was…

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I had already been doing quite a lot

of psychotherapy work, prior to that.

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I was using it for being an athlete.

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and I ended up in the plant medicine

world for a few years and learned

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plant medicine facilitation, and I

just, it just wasn't quite hitting-

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the depths of where it needed to go.

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And a few years ago, I…

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and we did some work together, which

seemed i- in a way to blend all of the

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stuff that I'd done before together,

and we came together and developed this

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particular modality that we're using

now, which actually isn't - anything new.

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It's taking all of the good parts,

from everything that does exist,

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throwing away all of the fluff,

the pathologizing, the projection.

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and inside of that, I watched

myself change very, very fast.

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So I was like, "I'm putting this

into the business immediately."

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I, I actually never intended

to do the work myself.

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I'd hired someone who was doing okay,

but it was still too much bypass and

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making people feel really good when we

actually needed to drive to the pain.

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Right.

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Right.

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And so when I implemented, I started

doing it with the clients in the

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business, and stuff started changing

for people very, very quickly.

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So I took on the job myself.

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I was like, "I'm doing this now."

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And I tried to train my whole team.

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I had made some mistakes along

the way, I realized that if people

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haven't done the work themselves,

they're not gonna be very good at it.

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and here we are today, and now I

actually do have a team that I've trained

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that has had to go through the fire

first, and it's become my whole world.

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so it was…

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I never intended to do this.

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It's…

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And it's a beautiful thing because,

in my early 20s, I remember

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saying "I'm gonna make it, this

money, solve the maybe a year ago,

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waking up going, "Oh, I did that."

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Right.

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"I did the addiction thing."

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, And I didn't mean to.

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It was just like a deep core desire of

me, and it kind of felt like God coming

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through me and going, "Do this" because

of all of the times in the business

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where I felt like, "What am I doing?"

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Like, "I should shut this down.

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This is hard," "Where

am I going with this?"

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But there was always this feeling

of you're not allowed to stop.

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This is something bigger than you.

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This is something bigger than you.

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This is something bigger than you.

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and so I haven't stopped amongst all

of the pain and suffering to, to get

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here, and, of what sometimes I have

to pinch myself "Did I make this?"

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Well, I think a lot of times

people get that message, and

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you have to listen to it.

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My husband says it all to me all the time

when I'm like, "Oh my gosh, this is crazy.

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I just don't wanna do this anymore,"

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And he'll be like, "You literally survived

everything you survived for a purpose."

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Yeah.

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And there is somebody just keeps

edging you, k- keeps egging you

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along going, "Just keep doing it.

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Keep doing this.

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Write a book, write a book for

children that you wish you had had."

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And a long time ago, though, I do agree,

and I know we talked about this last time

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at least, I think we did, you have to

get to a point, too, though, you said you

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went through and you did all the work,

but you also have to be at a point where

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you helping other people is no longer

only your therapy, if that makes sense.

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, I know a lot of people, I, I literally,

I actually just was looking for a new

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therapist and just had an appointment

with a therapist, and I, I walked out

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of there "Oh, I wonder if I helped her."

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Yeah.

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And I was like, "I cannot do that."

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Well, that's a rescue…

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It's a rescuing pattern.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Well, it's a rescuing pattern,

and also I felt like she wasn't

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really ready to be a therapist.

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Yeah.

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she was still so unregulated herself,

and so- Yeah … the questions she was

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asking me, it was almost like, are we

here for me or are we here for you?

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Yeah.

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It was a really- Well-

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interesting dynamic, actually.

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I, I think that's true, and I even

notice it and, I make it a very, very,

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it is the entirety of our culture, and

I say it weekly, is you are not taking

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your clients somewhere you haven't been.

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Right.

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You can't.

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And it's not because you don't have the

skills, it's because their nervous system

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will test it, and if you haven't dealt

with it in yourself, it'll go not safe.

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Yep.

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And because you actually…

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Energetically it's like, well, there

is actually judgment there, or there

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is actually some - undone stuff there,

or you won't really be able to hear it.

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And so the nervous

system just bounces out.

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Mm-hmm.

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And, oh, and that can happen at,

at very obvious levels where there

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is actual conscious judgment and

projection and kind of stuff going

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on in the room, which is why, we

don't tell you what's wrong with you.

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We don't tell you the answers.

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It's like bring you back to your

body, bring you back to your body.

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You have it all in there.

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Right.

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but I do notice, and I've done, phwoa,

hundreds and hundreds of hours of this

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work on myself, and the 10 years before

of the work I'd done, and yet still I'll

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do something and then the next week all

of my clients move through the same thing.

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Hmm.

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So there is some subconscious

projecting, I guess you can say

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Yeah … whether you like it or not.

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Yeah.

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.. that does make sense.

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But I think I'm just, I was just

talking more of just you said,

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the general sense of safety.

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like when I get on the phone with

a client or when I get on Zoom with

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a client, I make sure I'm pretty

darn regulated before I do that.

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Yeah.

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I don't get in there with my worst

fears and all that stuff, hanging on my

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backpack, ready to deal with it right now.

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So but it's just, it's just, it's

part of the world though, honestly.

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And co-regulating- It, it is … is real.

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I think, I think also a lot of

people get into it because it's a

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way to be able to help themselves.

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Mm-hmm.

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And then we've got a lot of, guru

shadows that exist in the entire

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world where they kinda get into it

and then go "All right, so I'm now

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the answer, and I'm gonna hold that."

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That serving a need for me of I have

the answers and which means I don't

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have to look at myself, and if I were

to look at myself and look at what's

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happening underneath of here, it would

collapse , my guru status, which is- Right

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unsafe for me because I need

to be here to feel safe.

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So nothing actually works inside of that.

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So yes, you have to be regulated, but

I think sometimes people feel like

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they might be regulated, but don't

actually understand what that is-

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Sure, yeah … or what that feels like.

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Right.

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And that's one of the things.

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you deal a lot, primarily

somatically with your clients.

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Yeah.

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talk a little bit about that for

the people that are just kind of

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"Whoa, what are they talking about?"

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So here's, here's what I believe is the

reason that talk therapy and counseling

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and stuff like that often doesn't work

is it's all, all in the head, and our…

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We can get very intelligent and make

up stories and feel like we've solved

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it and have the awareness of it, and

it's all head, head, head, head, head.

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Except that when we have an emotion

or we've been triggered by something,

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we get a feeling in our body.

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We'll get like a stomach clench or a tight

chest or something will happen in our

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body, and our body holds onto all of this.

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And, you think of like a dog when it

gets scared, and like when it's done

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being scared it shakes out the energy

and goes on with its life, and it's done.

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Yet us silly humans hold it in and pretend

that we're fine because we're supposed

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to be good girls, and, or we're supposed

to be men that don't have emotions,

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and we're supposed to be grounded and

stoic, and you must be seen and not

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h- all of this stuff that goes on.

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And so, and then we don't

learn how to express.

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We don't learn how to say our truth.

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We don't learn how to actually

be inside of that emotion.

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So we've got an entire lifetime of stuff

that's kind of just been shoved down there

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that hasn't been expressed, that hasn't

been felt, that's kind of all holding on.

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And so when I'm working with

people, the only thing I really care

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about is where do you feel that?

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Mm-hmm.

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So you can have this story of, "She

said this," and, "I can't believe

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he did that to me," and whatever.

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It's okay, great.

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where are you actually feeling that?

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Because that's gonna be the truth

of what needs to be expressed,

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and we can track that back.

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When was the last time you felt that

feeling, and when have, , when was

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the first time you felt that feeling?

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And for me, it's not done until

that sensation is no longer there.

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Yeah.

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And so we'll, we'll include parts work

and re-parenting and expression and crying

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and screaming, whatever needs to happen.

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it's all there- Right … until

there is no feeling.

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And if we still can't move it, I,

we can teach people to move the

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energy out of the body and start to

express as it moves out of the body.

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and that, and that in itself, without

even a story attached to it, can shift.

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Right.

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Yeah, I don't know how many times.

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, I think the saying and the expression

that I use, and you probably use it

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with your people 1,000 times, is get

out of your mind and into your body.

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Yeah.

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I deal with all of my people, and it's

because of natural, because of your

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body too and cycles and things like

that, but is that 2:00 to 4:00 a.m.

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wake-up call where they wake up

"Ah," at 3:00 in the morning and

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they just get irritated and angry,

and they get into this huge spiral.

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And they'll say, "Well, I was thinking

this, and I kept saying I had to."

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Well, you're thinking and you're

saying and you're doing all that

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stuff, but you're not feeling.

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Yeah.

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You're not feeling.

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So , get into your body.

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So how long is it…

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What would you say having a brand

new client would be your first

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real breakthrough on average, if

you had to give a- an average?

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I know that's hard to do

'cause everybody's so unique.

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how many sessions?

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Yeah, about how long?

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Like is it a month?

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Is it three months?

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where people finally go- Mm-hmm … "Oh,

I don't wake up with that gut-wrenching

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knot in my stomach anymore."

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, Most of the time, women will do it faster.

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M- men will have a, a couple of…

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Depending on what kind of

stuff they've done before.

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Men- women will go into the

feeling faster and get like a

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release of something very quickly.

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What I notice is that by about six

weeks, we start to get identity shifts.

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So we've had a lot of breakthroughs,

and then about six weeks in, identity

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starts to shift, and by the time we

get to 9, 10, 11 weeks, it's actually

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letting go of this old identity, and

there's a grief that happens around

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it of, "I can let go of this person

that I have been all of my life."

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Right.

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And that's its own process in itself.

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And so by the end we're then,

like, well, what would it feel

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like to have this other identity?

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Like really anchoring in the new

identity that can receive love, that

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can have capacity, that can do hard

things, that can receive money, that, is

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able to be safe inside a relationship.

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So I think, breakthrough will

generally happen quickly in a,

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in the first one or two sessions.

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Right.

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men I notice actually, they've spent so

long not being inside of their emotions,

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they won't feel it exactly real time in

the session, but a couple of days later

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will be like, "Why am I crying so much?"

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Right.

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And I think that's a lot of, I mean,

it's just the, the culture of men

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can't cry, men have to be tough.

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, It's ingrained in us, but it's

ingrained in them 10 times worse.

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Yeah, yeah.

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one of my favorite podcast people

that came on my podcast, his name is

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Michael Morgan, and he was a first

responder in Atlanta, and he talks

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about, pulling children out of pools

and just horrible, horrible things.

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And I remember the day he said, he said,

"Tammy, when I pulled that two-year-old

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out of that pool and it wasn't breathing,

if I could've just stopped in that

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moment and gone behind the house and beat

something up and just cried my eyes out,

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my whole life might've been different."

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Yeah.

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And he truly believed that, but it was

so many years of just stuffed emotions.

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His father was, I think, a military

guy or a policeman or something

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that was just constantly stuff,

stuff, stuff, stuff, stuff.

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Yeah.

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And I call it the invisible

backpack, and we all wear one.

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But I And you deal a lot

with the mind-body, I mean,

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the mind-body connection.

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So that invisible backpack that you've

been stuffing things in for sometimes

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30 years, it now weighs 3,000 pounds,

and even though you can't see it, it

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still weighs 3,000 pounds, so it's

doing the physiological effects,

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damage to your body as if- As if

you were physically carrying it,

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, It happens exactly like that.

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The amount of women I mean, myself

included, that have lost physical fat,

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physical weight off their body by letting

go of the emotions, it just falls away.

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The inflammation goes away.

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They're not protecting themselves anymore.

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They don't have to carry

the weight of it anymore.

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It's a literal transition into

what happens physiologically.

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Right.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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What are some of the shifts

you see in people, besides the

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weight and the inflammation?

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I know there's tons and tons, but

I'm just trying to spark this up

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with the people that are listening,

'cause they'll start to notice things.

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Yeah.

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So this week specifically, I've

actually been thinking about I need

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to do what's in the field this week,

because I always, with that, with

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my clients, whoever's in- kind of in

part of, part of the company that's

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kind of in my field, people will start

moving through things at the same time.

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It's almost like we've got this

energy center, and as one person lets

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go of something, it gives space for

someone else to let go of something.

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So this week specifically has been

I'm allowed to have my dreams.

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I'm allowed to, do this

crazy creative thing.

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I'm allowed to have this joyful thing.

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And I think that sounds really simple, but

how much desires have been shoved down.

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So we talk about trauma being shoved down,

but included in that is actual desires.

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Am I allowed to have

the desires that I want?

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Am I allowed to h- have the

expression, and say what they are?

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And I think in relationships, a lot of

the problems, is people can't express

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what they need, and sometimes the

expression is, "This upset me," but

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a lot of the time the expression is,

"I desire this type of connection.

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I desire time with you.

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I desire this t- type of intimacy.

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I desire to go look at

moss on my holidays."

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rather than just, appeasing each other all

the time, and then everyone's just trying

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to keep each other happy, and no one's

actually happy because no one has actually

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spoken about what's deep in their heart.

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Right.

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Right.

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And I think that's a normal thing,

and you get to a point, you have this

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identity shift too, and there's many

identity shifts that go along with this

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healing, and one of them is, who am I?

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What do I even like?

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Yeah.

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I, I don't know if you remember

the first time someone said to you,

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"Hannah, what do you like to do?"

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And you're like, "I don't remember."

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I, I … Did you have that?

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'Cause I did.

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People were like, "Well,

what do you stand for?

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What are your values?

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What do you like to do?

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What lights you up?"

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And I'm like, "I, I don't know.

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I have no idea."

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So not, not really actually, because

I had developed an identity that was

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so strong that was keeping me safe.

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So someone would say, "What do you like?"

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And it was fighting.

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I like going to training, I like being in

the ring, I like running this business.

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And I'd built it so strongly that

I couldn't see that there was a

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disconnection in myself underneath of it.

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Hmm.

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, this is why I like working with high

performers and leaders and business

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owners and stuff like that, because it

looks like they've got it all together.

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It's like, what are you talking about?

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My life is fine.

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I've got this amazing business,

I've got the house, I do , this is

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the identity that I have created.

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But how much of it is truth?

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Right.

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, And where is that desire coming from?

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Because I don't think I've

changed any of my desires.

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I think they come from a different place.

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So before I used to train and

run businesses and do all this

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stuff to prove Dad wrong, and make

sure I beat him at life, and to

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not be anything like my mother.

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Spot on.

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I got you.

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Yeah.

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I love that.

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And, and now it's because of

the joy that it brings me.

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And there was even a thing that came up

a few weeks ago of one of the shadowed

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needs of me running this business is

I want the connection with the team.

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I've built this amazing team around

me, and I wanna be actually underneath

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of that, loved and supported for who I

am, regardless if it's this business,

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a different business, no business.

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And so I felt this pressure to make the

business work really well- Hmm … so

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that they would all be around me.

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And when I undid that and it was

like, oh, like I can choose to keep

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these people around me, whatever I'm

doing, and now I choose to run this

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from purpose, from joy, from play.

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The shift was huge.

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Like- Hmm

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when I undid that last little crux

of it, it was like foo, and I was

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like, oh, that was in the way.

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Hmm.

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Got it.

398

And how long ago was this?

399

And even the training, right?

400

How long ago was this?

401

Like a month ago A month?

402

Okay.

403

And your business has- Yeah

… probably doubled because you're,

404

coming at it differently now.

405

You're coming at it so differently.

406

I can only imagine.

407

Yeah.

408

There's no exhaustion in it.

409

I can actually stop.

410

it, it allowed the growth that I

actually wanted, and now there's

411

enough space and I'm like, "Huh."

412

I know the intention was to build this

where I could go back to training and

413

I could go back to the things that

I loved, and now it's actually here.

414

And it was like, "Oh."

415

And I'm allowed to do that.

416

There's no pressure to, keep being busy.

417

I can just go, I built a team.

418

You did that hard work.

419

Let them do the work.

420

Right.

421

Go and do the things that you love.

422

And I do love fighting, and

I do love all of, all of the

423

stuff that I've always done.

424

It's just not to prove anything anymore.

425

Right.

426

It's because it makes me happy.

427

Right.

428

, That's cool.

429

So I feel like you're blessed

in a way, I was just such a

430

chronic freaking people pleaser.

431

I was whoever you needed me to be.

432

People are like, "Well, who are you?"

433

Like, "When you walk into

a room, how, who are you?"

434

I'm like, "Exactly what

you need me to be."

435

I'm like, I can be tough.

436

Mm-hmm.

437

I can be professional.

438

I can be a wimp.

439

I can be quiet.

440

I can be loud.

441

I can be whatever matches and blends

me in more to the crowd that I'm in.

442

I was the world's best

chameleon, I guess you could say.

443

That little lizard-

Yeah … that changes colors.

444

Does that make sense of why you were

like, "I don't know what I like"?

445

I didn't, because I was

like, "I don't know."

446

I was thinking about it today.

447

I actually did a live and it

was like, how do you know?

448

when you meet someone, within three

minutes I can tell if they're kind

449

of in that fight or flight or, I'm

not really myself and I'm kind of

450

uncomfortable in my skin kind of vibe.

451

Mm.

452

You just get it, and one of

the first things is because if

453

you say, "Hey, what do you…"

454

"What do you feel like eating?"

455

They'll say, "I don't know.

456

Whatever you want.

457

I don't care."

458

Yeah.

459

And that was me for 30 years.

460

"I don't care.

461

I don't know.

462

Whatever you want is good."

463

. And even at 40 years old, I could

go to someone and say, "Man,

464

I'm dying for some Chinese food.

465

I just want some moo goo gai pan."

466

And they'd be like, "Hey, we were

thinking about going out for Mexican."

467

And my whole stomach and everything in

my soul would get so angry, but I'd be

468

like, "Okay, I guess it's a burrito."

469

Yeah.

470

. Part of me was just so

used to appeasing people.

471

Like I said, that's who…

472

That was who I became.

473

I came- became the chameleon.

474

I became the whatever, the doormat.

475

but boy, what a liberating feeling

when all of a sudden you're like,

476

"No, screw you, I want Chinese food."

477

Yeah.

478

Well, actually, we were … talking

about this a lot this week, in

479

that it's actually not protecting

everyone else, it's protecting

480

yourself from the uncomfortability

of them being uncomfortable, so

481

you're not actually serving anyone

else other than yourself anyway.

482

No.

483

And which doesn't serve anyone.

484

No one can grow.

485

just it…

486

I've had the energy, I've had the

people-pleasing energy in running

487

a team, and I'd do it really

badly with women because of the

488

relationship I had with my mother.

489

Mm-hmm.

490

And it cost me hundreds of thousands of

dollars in mistakes because I wouldn't

491

let other people be uncomfortable.

492

Yep Yeah.

493

No, absolutely.

494

.. And it's funny because a lot

of people do that, and they

495

think, "Well, I'm just kind."

496

No, you're not.

497

No, you're not.

498

You're … what they think of you.

499

Yeah.

500

That you're afraid of the repercussions

of actually- Yeah … standing up

501

and telling your truth, period.

502

Yeah.

503

I don't care how you look

at it, how you slice it.

504

Yeah.

505

But yeah, and everybody kind of

deals with their trauma, their

506

grief, their past, their experience

in a totally different way.

507

That's why it's so fun, I think,

to do the podcast, and you probably

508

find the same thing on yours, which

is Into the Jungle podcast, right?

509

Yeah.

510

e- because it's so many different

perspectives of the same concept.

511

Yeah.

512

Yeah.

513

Well, and I think that's an important

point because this isn't structured.

514

Like, it's not like, "Okay, we're gonna

work on this, then we're gonna work on

515

this, and then we're gonna work on this."

516

It's like that is not how

a human being operates.

517

it is what is actually surfacing?

518

What is triggering you in your world?

519

What are the little things

that you're getting stuck in?

520

What ceilings do you have?

521

And, that's where we start,

and whatever is inside of that

522

is whatever is inside of that.

523

I'm not here to tell you what that is.

524

Right.

525

Exactly.,

526

I've had people that will come

in to me and … or they'll be

527

sitting down or we'll be on a

Zoom, and they'll say, "Well, this

528

week - we were working on this."

529

And then I'm like, "Okay,

what happened this weekend?"

530

And then they'll tell me … They're

like, "But you said…"

531

Who cares what I said?

532

This is not where you

need to be right now.

533

We need to meet you where you're at.

534

Like, you need to meet

you where you're at.

535

Like, who gives a rat's butt about

the, quote, unquote, "homework" I gave

536

you or things- Yeah … to work on?

537

… You didn't tell me you were gonna spend

three days with your estranged mother.

538

that might've changed the

homework going into that.

539

Yeah.

540

Yeah.

541

It's funny..

542

it's just that's the, that's the

world we're in, though, and that's

543

the great thing about it … It's

not linear, and it's not an A to Z

544

by any stretch of the imagination.

545

Not even close.

546

No.

547

So tell us about your podcast.

548

Yeah, so the podcast originally

started, , it was years ago now.

549

I woke up in the middle of the

night, 1:00 in the morning, and was

550

like, "You have to start a podcast."

551

And I got out my journal and wrote down

the first 12 people I must interview, and

552

I was like, "All right, you're gon-…"

553

So the point was to tell my story.

554

, I was a, , drug addict

for a very long time.

555

That was, like, secret.

556

Um, no one knew about it.

557

, I lived a double life, essentially.

558

And so I thought, oh, I,

I have to tell this story.

559

I have to tell the truth.

560

The problem was is my parents

didn't know, and so that was a

561

whole other thing, is, I had- If I'm

gonna put this on the internet…

562

And it was like, yeah, so…

563

no one knew anything.

564

And I refused to do it until I got it all

set up really nicely, so , it took about

565

18 months before I did anything about it.

566

Oh, wow.

567

Found a friend that had a studio, and…

568

But then I had to fly down to South

Australia, where my parents live, and meet

569

them on neutral ground and sit them down

and actually tell them, like, "Okay, so

570

this has actually been what's happened in

my life," before I put it on the internet.

571

Wow.

572

It was horrendous.

573

But I h- that process of actually

telling the truth to them and then

574

starting to tell the truth through the

podcast, my thyroid issue disappeared

575

and my gut issue disappeared.

576

So, both of those were lifelong issues,

just gone in a couple of months.

577

So obviously, it was a very

important thing for me to do.

578

Mm-hmm.

579

And so the initial part of it, it was

called- something else at the start, I

580

don't even remember anymore, and the point

was to tell my story of, yes, I was a drug

581

addict when I was 15, and I had been in

domestic violence, and, I'd lost all of

582

my houses, and I was lying to everyone all

of the time, living this double life, and

583

all of this chaotic stuff had happened.

584

And I just one day woke up, decided

I was done with that, got myself

585

clean, and went on with my life.

586

And just no one ever knew the

struggle of what I went through.

587

Mm-hmm.

588

And, so that was the point of starting

it, and then it kind of became…

589

Because this was happening in the

business, it became, well, now how can we

590

tell the stories of our clients sometimes,

and how can we bring science into what

591

we're actually talking about here?

592

Because the neuroimmunologists

are starting to get it, and the

593

cardiologists are starting to get it.

594

Mm-hmm.

595

And the s- the, the doctors, there,

there's enough science now coming

596

out to start proving this, what's

actually going on underneath of it.

597

so I actually haven't

recorded in a little while.

598

We're gonna do one next week, really

focusing on all of the relationship stuff,

599

'cause I think that - we focus a lot on

relational dynamics and relationships

600

that aren't working, or people that keep

ending up in the same relationships all

601

the time no matter what, even though

they know it's not the right thing.

602

, We do a lot of work inside of that.

603

And just to speak to, what's actually

going on, because I think that a lot

604

of the stuff that's out there around,

"You just need to communicate better

605

and learn non-violent communication,"

and, it just doesn't work if the nervous

606

system is stuck in the same patterns.

607

Yep.

608

Exactly.

609

Exactly.

610

Wow, that's cra- I'm picturing that story.

611

That's insane.

612

I didn't know that about…

613

I knew about the drug addict

and stu- stuff like that,

614

that you went through that.

615

But , what a perfect example for you

to train on and for you to teach on,

616

too, about the mind-body connection.

617

Like you said, as soon as you got this

out, the thyroid problem was gone.

618

I always say the thyroid is,

the last th- your last defense

619

mechanism that your body has.

620

Like, it holds on as long as

it can possibly hold on, and it

621

takes the brunt of everything.

622

.. I just had somebody else on this podcast

that said they sing now, but they

623

were so stifled and had no voice for

so long that they got thyroid cancer.

624

And they were like- Mm …, their doctor

was like, "No, that's not a thing," and

625

she was like, "No, I know for a fact."

626

you know your body, and

what's going on in your body.

627

But it's just funny that…

628

Not funny, but it's- It's very, speaks

to what you do and what I do as far

629

as, like you said, the gut issue's

gone as soon as the stress was gone.

630

It's- Yeah … amazing.

631

Yeah, I think there's a, there's

a lot wrapped up in that.

632

And we, we should do a lot of clients

with chronic illness type of stuff.

633

Like fibromyalgia I've worked with a

lot, which is anger turned inwards.

634

And or all- autoimmune is

always anger turned in- inwards.

635

Fibromyalgia specifically is like

I need to be suffering in order to

636

be loved, supported, taken care of.

637

Yep.

638

And so as soon as you can actually put

someone back in their power, oh, go on.

639

Yeah.

640

No, it- Yeah … it's, I agree,

and I know I g- I know it ruffles a

641

lot of feathers when I say things.

642

people will say, "Oh, well, she got

lupus," or, "She got fibromyalgia,"

643

or, "She got this," and I'm like,

"She needs a good therapist."

644

Yeah.

645

She needs to get it out of her body.

646

Yeah.

647

it is literally kill…

648

it's dis-ease.

649

your body is at dis-ease, and I think

we talked about the energy scan that

650

I do with the, frequencies with the-

Yeah … 171,000 different frequencies,

651

and it's all, your body is all energy.

652

And if people understood and they

really believed the concept of where

653

your attention goes, energy flows,

there would be no question about how

654

something holding your voice back

is gonna affect your throat or your

655

thyroid or anything in that area.

656

Or, the number of people that

have a horribly ugly divorce and

657

then they have breast cancer.

658

, there's connections.

659

There's no doubt in statistics.

660

So I know I don't like to throw my two

cents in there, but , read the studies.

661

They're out there.

662

There are, and there are studies on

it, and there's some new science that's

663

coming out which is actually showing…

664

And I can't explain it very well, but

it's showing that there are, signals in

665

our body which are giving instructions.

666

There's these little things that

are giving instructions, and they've

667

noticed that when we, when someone

deals with the stress or deals with

668

the trauma, the instructions change.

669

Mm.

670

So th- they're starting to actually

understand the mechanisms that are

671

happening inside of the body that

are making this stuff happen, and

672

the n- the neuroimmunologist that I

interviewed was, speaking to the same

673

thing of sometimes the instructions

start in the body and sometimes the

674

instructions start in the brain.

675

You have an immune center in

both places, so that's why

676

sometimes mindset stuff works.

677

Right.

678

And it's why sometimes it doesn't,

because it's a body-based thing first.

679

Right.

680

And, we can kind of override

with thought in some ways.

681

I get kind of frustrated with the idea

of it because I think that sometimes

682

overriding with thoughts bypasses the

feeling that was unexpressed and not

683

really giving you an understanding of it.

684

But for sure, there is some truth to

the way that you speak about yourself

685

and the way that you speak into the

world and the way, the words that you

686

use, and shifting a mindset around

something can absolutely shift that.

687

But I think it takes a double-edge,

it's a double-sided approach.

688

Yeah.

689

I've got a client at the moment that

we're just over three months now.

690

We're kind of tacking on some

on the end because one of my

691

philosophies is get the job done.

692

Right.

693

Yeah.

694

Don't leave it hanging.

695

don't, yeah, yeah, yeah, get the job done.

696

And it was a really big

identity shift for her.

697

She'd been so negative her entire

life, which was trying to prove-

698

that she was not good enough because

that was how she was treated.

699

She was, her sister, her sister

passed away when she was very

700

young and she was just the nothing.

701

… I'm not important.

702

I was…"

703

She was sent away, all of these

things, so it's been this lifelong

704

thing of, "I'm not good enough."

705

So she find, has found the negative

in everything, in everyone everything

706

that could possibly have happened.

707

And so we've done the internal work,

and now it's actually a little bit of

708

shifting of the habits around how she

speaks and what she sees, and putting

709

a little bi- bit of force and practices

in, "I want you to notice the good

710

things that have happened in a day."

711

Right.

712

"I want you to tell your husband three

things you love about him every week.

713

I want you to tell yourself three

things that you've done well this week."

714

And, make that a practice

unst- until the brain starts to

715

go, "I'm allowed to do that."

716

Mm.

717

Because if I'd told her to do that

three months ago, her nervous system

718

would've had a meltdown about it.

719

Yeah.

720

But we've done enough work now

where it's actually landing, and

721

she's like, "That does feel good.

722

You're right."

723

Mm-hmm.

724

Yeah.

725

No, but you're right, and it is a

two, two-sided approach, as you put

726

it, because I say that all the time,

and I say it with affirmations.

727

I don't have anything against

affirmations, but- Yeah … if you don't

728

feel lovable and you want to feel lovable,

sitting there looking at yourself going,

729

"You're lovable," is not gonna work.

730

Mm-hmm, yeah.

731

But if you get down on the floor and your

puppy is licking your face, basically

732

staring at you going, "I love you more

than life itself," and then you do the

733

affirmation, I feel like it hits better.

734

Because you, again, you're in your body

feeling what it feels like to be lovable.

735

So- I think that's a tough one because,

Maybe there's a hint of it there.

736

The biggest thing that I work

on with women, and it happens in

737

men as well actually, is can you

actually open your heart to receive?

738

Right.

739

Well, that's true, yes.

740

So, yeah.

741

That's it.

742

So all of these loving

things can happen, right?

743

Like, my dog could love me, my partner

could buy me all these amazing things

744

and take care of me and look after the

house and tell me all of the things that

745

he loves about me all the time, and my

friends could support me, and my business

746

could be doing well, and I've shut myself,

I've shut my heart off from being able to

747

receive because it's been so dangerous.

748

Love has been dangerous.

749

Right.

750

And so then I'm allowing things to

happen, not allowing it in my heart,

751

so I don't feel appreciation, and then

my partner doesn't feel appreciated and

752

stops doing it, and my business stops

working, and my staff feel resentful.

753

And all this stuff- Right … starts

to start looping around where it's

754

like you, it's happening, but you're

not really fully receiving it.

755

Right.

756

, It's a big job to open

your heart to receive.

757

Yeah.

758

There's actually a lot of work that's

involved inside of that, and then

759

it's, , a lifelong process of how

much more can you receive, how much

760

more can you let into your heart?

761

Because when I do this with people,

they'll feel very overwhelmed, or

762

they'll panic, or they'll shut down,

or they'll say, "It's not safe.

763

What do I do?

764

I can't have this."

765

And then you start pushing more and

more and more in, and it's like,

766

"This is really overwhelming."

767

It's like, yeah, no shit.

768

no wonder you're not allowing it

into your heart and your life.

769

There's actually so much around you-

Right … and it's just not landing

770

in here, but once you can let it land

in, you start to wanna give back.

771

You automatically and naturally start to

wanna appreciate and be in gratitude and

772

give back to these people and love back

to these people, and that is now a true

773

sense of gratitude- Right … and a true

sense of feeling loved and a true sense

774

of being able to love yourself and let

these other people love you, and that

775

changes the whole dynamic of everything.

776

It does.

777

No, that is, that is

absolutely true, 100%.

778

And I re- I literally…

779

Do you remember the

first time you felt that?

780

Do you…

781

Can you, do you…

782

Can you put a moment on it or no?

783

There's probably two things

that, I could speak to.

784

The first one I did an ayahuasca

journey and spent two days experiencing

785

what it was like to be fully seen And

it was the most uncomfortable thing

786

I've ever done in my entire life.

787

And that doesn't mean that it was done.

788

What I did is I got the experience of it.

789

Mm-hmm.

790

And then I had to spend a year actually

figuring out how to let that happen.

791

Yeah.

792

And through that year was a-

being able to let love in.

793

. It was through the work that I

was doing, and I had someone else

794

doing it for me, and I remember

it feeling like an absolute panic.

795

And then I had to go and do the work

inside of my relationship first.

796

Mm-hmm.

797

And really noticing how I would turn

away at things, and have to actually

798

say out loud to my partner, "I'm

really struggling to receive this.

799

It feels like too much.

800

So I'm sorry that I don't, may not be

ex- as appreciative as you want me to be.

801

I'm just finding it hard to allow it in."

802

And then I'd have to go and work on why.

803

Mm-hmm.

804

Yeah.

805

It, I mean, it is a process,

806

. But yeah, the gentleman that I talked

about, Mo- Morgan, he what's his name?

807

Whatever Morgan's.

808

I can't remember his first name.

809

I just said it.

810

But he went to an- did an

Ayahuasca weekend, and that

811

was his whole turning point.

812

He said it was- Yeah

813

the most uncomfortable, but yet he

said - after, everything he had been

814

through, all the healing, all, everything,

he said that was what literally

815

he felt like healed him in like a

weekend of the PTSD- It's an interest-

816

it's an interesting thing, right?

817

I've, I've, I've done maybe 60 different

plant medicine journeys,, over the years.

818

Lots of Ayahuasca, lots of Bufo, lots

of mushrooms, all of this kind of

819

stuff, and I don't think it would've

landed in the same way had I not

820

been getting integration work done.

821

Mm.

822

when I actually look back at it all now,

and having facilitated it as well, is

823

it seems to be a moment where you can

experience what it could be like, and it

824

opens you up to experiencing what it could

be like, and that's when the work begins.

825

- It's not done.

826

Right.

827

It's shown you what's possible, and

shown you how to get there, and if

828

you don't do the things to actually

land there, it event- like you feel

829

amazing because it's a psychedelic for

a really long time- Right … and then

830

the kind of, the patterns start to

seep back in again because you haven't

831

actually integrated it into your life.

832

, I don't know if I even wanna go

there anymore because I'm getting

833

better results just doing the

integration work in the first place

834

when it's blended with somatic work.

835

Right.

836

And going back on that, and I remember

during our interview, he did say that.

837

He said that it changed his s- life

so profoundly that it affected every

838

decision he made going forward.

839

Yeah.

840

So it was like, in his mind it was

like, wow, this is what it could be.

841

And so he established this,

set of non-negotiables.

842

So this is integration, right?

843

This is like putting it into action.

844

Yeah.

845

So he was putting it into action

You can't just go- No, yeah … and

846

be like, "I'm done now."

847

No, no, no.

848

God no.

849

. But that's literally, he said it, it

affected every single decision he made

850

going forward the rest of his life,

and he said, "And it still does."

851

Because- Yeah … .. he said

the same thing as you said.

852

He said, "I saw what was

possible, and I wanted that.

853

And I was gonna do everything I could do."

854

And he was still in therapy and doing

different things and everything,

855

but he said- There you go.

856

There you go … yeah, he

said he had tried everything.

857

Everything.-

858

It was all from PTSD .. it's

interesting that you said that.

859

And I've heard of some other people

with the plant-based, and I've not done

860

any of that, so I'm c- I don't know.

861

Like- … interest- interesting

to me if nothing else, right?

862

Yeah.

863

But, but anyway, so

this has been super fun.

864

Tell people, I want you to

tell people a couple things.

865

If they want to work with you, if

they want to find out more about

866

what you do, want to get on your

podcast, where can they reach you?

867

The best place.

868

the Instagram.

869

So you have to actually look up Recovery

Jungle, the original business name.

870

I'm too scared to change the tag.

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I hear you there.

872

Yeah.

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So recover- @recoveryjungle on

Instagram, or thejungle.net.au.

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There's booking links to book in

times to speak to me there as well.

875

Okay.

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Okay.

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And you work individually with people?

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You work groups?

879

What is your most- It's all one-on-one.

880

We t- even in the couples work that we do,

we separate them and do their own work.

881

Okay.

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And then we bring them

together towards the end.

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It's all…,

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i've watched group stuff

happen for so long.

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I've been in, plant medicine circles in

group, I've rocked up to group things.

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One-on-one does something

very, very magical.

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People can let go on a different level.

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I can focus directly on them.

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Even in a couples thing, we're

not getting somewhere when

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these wounds are still there.

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So it's separate work first-

Right … and then we come together.

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And yes, community and connection is

important, but we come together to play.

893

Right.

894

No, I, I agree.

895

You come together- Yeah … to play

and to know that you're not alone, and

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to feel- Yeah … validated and heard,

and- Yeah … tell your story, and

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look around a group of people that go,

"Wow, if she can do it, I can do it."

898

.. And there is power in that.

899

The, there is.

900

I, get it.

901

I totally get it.

902

Yeah.

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and then if you had to give the people…

904

So, and I will put those, both

of those links in the show notes,

905

so people, if you're driving or

whatever, don't worry about that.

906

Now, if you had to give the listeners

one final piece of words of wisdom

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or something tangible to take with

them to make their day a little

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brighter, , what would it be?

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To make their day a little brighter?

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I was gonna hit them hard.

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Or hit them hard.

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Hit hard with something they can use.

913

Give me something they can use.

914

Okay.

915

So the thing that I love to say the most

is if you have a repeating pattern in your

916

life, if you keep hitting the same wall,

the same relationship thing, the same

917

money block, the same whatever is going

on in your life, it is very rarely an

918

outside problem, it is an inside problem.

919

And the moment you can realize that and

take full responsibility for it is the

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moment that everything starts to shift.

921

Mm.

922

Mm.

923

Amen.

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Yeah, you hit them hard.

925

Yeah.

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with the whole healing journey, the

hardest part is self-reflection.

927

.. We grow up and we're just, I

hear so many times, "Because of

928

the way I grew up, this is why.

929

And because of this, and this is that."

930

And I'm like, you know what, though?

931

Once you are aware, it is

now your responsibility.

932

Yeah.

933

And self-reflection is very hard and

very painful, and sometimes people don't

934

do it, but you're not doing anybody,

including yourself, a, a service.

935

You're doing them a disservice

if you don't look inward, Okay.

936

Well, then- … those are … to make

the day a little brighter- ….. the

937

beautiful thing about taking full

responsibility for this stuff is you

938

get to take full responsibility for

the pain that's there, which means you

939

also get to take full responsibility

for the wins that happen after.

940

It means everything that good that

happens on the other side, you did that.

941

Yep.

942

Amen.

943

It's the same thing when people say, when

all of a sudden they realize what's going

944

on and what, what patterns they have,

and how they're projecting and all this

945

stuff, and they're like, "Oh my gosh,

I'm a bad parent, I'm this, I'm that."

946

Don't beat yourself up about that,

because now every step that you make

947

getting better and healing, your kids are

seeing that, your family's seeing that.

948

Everybody around you is seeing that,

and you're putting a higher frequency

949

positive you into the world, and that's

what we're all going for anyway, right?

950

Yeah.

951

, Thank you so much, Hannah, for coming on.

952

I really appreciate you.

953

Yeah, you're very welcome, Tammi.

954

You're welcome.

955

And for everybody else out

there listening, you heard it.

956

Go back, check it out.

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It's, Oh, gosh, I just

wrote it down again.

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the Recovery Jungle is the podcast.

959

Go check it out, and go to

her website, check Hannah out.

960

She's great.

961

She's got a lot of wisdom, and we

appreciate you so much for coming on.

962

Thank you so much.

963

Thank you.

964

Everybody else out there, love you guys.

965

See you next week.

966

Bye.