In today’s episode, we sit down with Josh Kosnick—a bridge builder whose story is rooted in resilience, authenticity, and purpose. As the founder of Kairos Coaching, a certified EOS implementer, and a USA Today best-selling author, Josh shares how his journey has been shaped by both challenges and breakthroughs.

He opens up about the realities of business ownership, including seasons of loss and recovery, and the lessons that came with them. Josh explains how vision, discipline, discipleship, and a strong sense of calling can turn obstacles into meaningful opportunities for growth.

We also explore the importance of aligning vision with execution and building genuine, life-giving relationships within your community. Passionate about men’s mental health and legacy building, Josh encourages leaders to pursue self-awareness and make a lasting impact.

This episode is packed with honest insights and practical wisdom for anyone looking to grow through adversity, lead with purpose, and create something that truly matters.

Takeaways:

• The podcast shares the story of people like Josh Kosnick, who turned adversity into purpose through authentic leadership.
• A salient theme presented in this episode is the vital importance of humility and vulnerability in leadership, emphasizing that true strength lies in acknowledging one's limitations.
• Listeners are encouraged to embrace the notion that life’s trials serve as catalysts for personal growth and divine insight, thereby aligning their vision with their execution.
• The discussion highlights the critical need for men to cultivate deep, meaningful relationships to combat the stigma surrounding mental health, fostering a supportive community.
• Through engaging narratives, the episode underscores that legacy is not merely about accolades or possessions, but rather the impact one leaves on the lives of others.
• The concept of 'Kairos time' is introduced, inviting individuals to recognize and seize divine moments that transcend ordinary temporal constraints.

Links referenced in this episode:

• joshKosnick.com

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Hello, friends. Welcome back to becoming bridge builders. I AM your host, Reverend Dr. Keith Haney.

This is the space where we dig deep into journeys of leaders, change makers and storytellers who are helping us bridge divides and create lasting impact in our communities and in our world. Today's guest is a man whose life work beautifully aligns with the theme of this show. Josh Kisnick is what I like to call a true bridge builder.

A leader forged through fire and guided by faith. He is the founder of Kairos Coaching, a certified EOS implementer and a USA Today best selling author of the Kairos Code.

With firsthand experience, building and exiting at one, not two, but three successful businesses, Josh brings powerful insights into how vision, discipleship, discipline and calling comes together to transform adversity into purpose.

He now devotes his life to helping individuals and organizations align their vision with execution, embrace authenticity and turn struggles into stepping stones towards significance.

His passion for men's mental health, personal growth and legacy building is inspiring countless leaders to step into who they are and who they were created to be. Josh, welcome to the podcast.

Excited to be here? I don't know if I call you Reverend or doctor or just Keith.

You can call me all those things.

Whatever works for you.

So I'm going to ask you my favorite question. Josh, what's the best piece of advice you've ever received?

Oh, my gosh, that is. I've received so much great advice through my life, but I'm going to go with one I shared in my book.

Because I have four children, and when my firstborn came into this world, I was told by a mentor and coach of mine that the days are long, but the years are short.

Mm.

And now that she's 14, I can fully understand exactly what he was telling me and how fast time flies.

It does. It does fly. Especially when you have kids.

You look up one day and they're grown and they're getting married and you're walking them down the aisle and it's just a blink of an eye sometimes.

That's right. And it just goes to show how much we need to really appreciate the present each day.

Exactly. So let's talk about your work. Cause you talk a lot about being forged through fire.

Kind of take us back to the moment in your life where you let fire really shaped who you are today.

Yeah. Well, I'll tell you the story that I didn't. The fire that I didn't want.

And I'm not saying that everyone or anyone wants the fire that comes into their life. I'm Just here to tell you that no one gets through this life unscathed.

And you ever get one of those calls or one of those moments where just you get the sinking feeling in your stomach like something really bad's about to happen and then I'm wrestling the whole eight minute drive there like, no, we're doing great. Like. Like, why would I have these bad feelings? That's the devil trying to get me. But sure enough, as soon as I walk in, my butt hits the chair.

They say, josh, there's no easy way to tell you this. You're no longer managing partner. We're going in a different direction. You can sign this paper or you can sign this paper.

And I said, you know, I had just enough wits about me because it was utterly surreal to say, you know, I've trusted you my entire career. I'm not signing either of those until I speak to my attorney.

And so I can tell this story a little bit more flippantly now that I'm four years removed from it. But in reality, it was the lowest point in my life.

I couldn't make it two minutes down the road because I couldn't see, because I was bawling my eyes out. I had to pull off into a parking ride.

Those of you not from the Midwest, a parking ride is just a parking lot where you meet up with people or drop off your car to go on a bike ride or whatever it may be. I was not there for either. I was there to try and gather myself before I made my journey home.

And for the next six months, I'm in a legal battle to negotiate my exit. And those six months were some of my darkest. And also now, looking back, some of the biggest gift as well.

Because in that season where I'm going through the five stages of grief and anyone that's ever sold a business or been removed like I was. It's your baby, right? It is utterly a baby to you. And it's your, you know, in a lot of ways, your identity and.

And you go through this crisis and literally go through the five stages of grief, just like losing a loved one. And so I had to work through that. And as I got through that, I was really also able to envision the future.

And that's why I say it was partially a gift, too, because the walls, the fires that are put in front of you are not meant for you to hide or cower. They're not meant for you to try and skirt around. They're meant for you to actually walk through.

And as you get to the other side, you get to also realize God's blessings and lessons in those seasons as

you think back to that time. Because as I'm hearing your story, I'm devastated for you just kind of watching it from the outside.

What were some lessons you had to learn or God taught you during that trial?

Well, there was many. One of them. And I'll explain what happened, because, you know, a lot of people could be sitting there going, well, you were really successful.

You said, like, how? Why would they make that decision? Well, so I had a narcissist on my leadership team and very talented person that I recruited, I mentored.

And as I was trying to help him fix some of his.

What I thought at the time were immaturities, I kept chalking him up to immaturities, but later discovered their true character flaws as I started trying to correct him, help him get better and kind of remove that cancer from our office per se, without removing him. Backing a narcissist into a corner is like trying to back a tiger into a cage. It just doesn't work. And they come out swinging.

And how he came out swinging was he decided to sue me for discrimination. And so it was interesting because the company, like, they first found out it's a Fortune 100 company, they did their own investigation.

They knew that that was not the case and that that was not what happened. That being said, as soon as I got sued, I became a liability. And they didn't want the press and whatever else was going to come from it to be.

They didn't want their name trapped in it. So they made that decision to terminate me. And so it was interesting because I was a person that I poured a lot into and cared deeply about.

And so I get stabbed on the back by that person. And then the company that I loved decided to put the second knife in and go from there. So I had to learn a lot through grace and forgiveness.

And there was a point in my journey in that six months where my coach asked me.

He was asking me some questions, and I was saying that, like, I'd really, truly forgiven the person that did this to me, and I was finding a lot of grace from him. And he goes, josh, you seem to be having a lot of grace, and I won't use his name for this person. How are you doing for yourself?

And it was a gut punch because I had a lot of guilt and shame and just sorrow with what had transpired. I was not finding a lot of grace for myself. And he encouraged me to journal in this timeframe.

And I was like, wait, you just want me to write down all my crappy thoughts that I'm having right now? And he kind of chuckled like you are. And he's like, well, that's not exactly how I'd put it, but let me put it to you this way.

He's like, you will never have these exact emotions ever again. Capture them. And so I did. I started journaling in that timeframe and I was never against journaling. I knew there was very positive benefits.

I just never took the time to do it.

And so some of those journal entries actually ended up in the Kairos code, the book, because they were really powerful and I wanted to share my vulnerability with the world of like, look, it doesn't matter how successful you look like from the outside, what success you've had, what loving family, like, all the different things that people like, look from the outside and be like, oh, that person has it all together. Like, everyone is going to face trials, everyone is going to have these emotions.

And especially from like, you know, former college football player, business owner, kind of type A personality. I wanted them. I wanted the world to see that I went through all the emotions and this is.

These were the words that were coming out of my mouth or at least in my head at that time and how truly devastated I was and how then how do I, how did I get through it? So those were a couple of lessons, but there's many, many more in that timeframe.

Well, most people haven't exited one successful business. You've done three. I'm curious, as you think about what separates those who thrive in successful organizations versus those who don't.

What leadership mindset have you discovered that's really critical?

Well, the first thing that comes to mind is humility, is never thinking that you are or wanting to even be, not even wanting to be the smartest person in the room is. I wanted my leadership team on any business that I've had to be smarter than me.

I have certain skills and gifts that God endowed in me and so does every individual that I have chosen to employ or surround myself with.

I want diversity in thought around that table and I want to have a constant and never ending improvement mindset from not only myself, but all the people that I surround myself with. But in order to do that, you have to have a humble heart and humility.

What I found throughout all of my now coaching business owners leadership teams, that humble heart and willingness to fail and get better and have a quick bounce back rate, those two things together is what I think forges some of the most successes. Like we see Elon Musk's success right now. Most of you don't understand how many times that man has failed to get to the point that he's at.

And if you don't like Elon Musk, like pick a different person. They failed more times than you've ever tried. Like it's, it's fascinating.

So being able to be humble in spirit and also just continue to move forward.

Like I was on a pod, I was recording one of my own podcasts that released this week and he, a guy who runs a nine figure business, friend of mine, we were having this conversation, like, about competitiveness as well. It's like I there's no quitting me. There is no quitting me.

Like I've battled in every sport, in every business venture, whatever it may be, I'm going to compete to win. And I heard this quote a long time ago, maybe 20 years ago, that just stuck with me. And I had just used it with my daughter.

She didn't want to hear it. She's 10 years old because she just felt like she didn't do as well as she wanted in a dance competition.

And I used this quote, but it's resonated with me and I know someday it'll resonate with her is that I never lose. I either win or I learn. And that's just stuck with me. And I just continue to use it as I think that I'm more willing to.

I'm more afraid of the status quo than I am of changing and learning and staying agile in whatever business venture that I'm in.

Wow, I love that. I think about quitting too. It's like I didn't quit. The other guy just gave up before I did.

Yeah.

So let's talk about your book, the Kairos Code. First of all, I love that word. Being someone who's a pastor and knowing between kairos and other things.

Tell us why you picked that title and what Kairos means to you.

And so I didn't know it before, but like you being a pastor, the only people that really know that word, I think there's a certain sect of the Lutheran church that has Kairos camps. And those are like the only people that really know that word beyond the Greeks.

And so the Greeks had two different words for time, which was Kairos and Kronos. Most of us just know Kronos time, even though we don't call it that. We just say it's time. But Kronos time is the time that we live on.

Our watch, our clocks, our minute by minute, second by second days. Kairos time. When I was introduced to it, I've always been fascinated with ancient Greek and not only philosophy, but mythology, stuff of that nature.

It intrigued me as a kid. The Greeks use it as a moment or an era. In the Christian sense, it's a divine time when God acts.

But in reality, Cairo's time is the time that God lives on. It's the omnipresent, not operating in the space and time that us humans understand.

And so for me, during that Covid period when that word was introduced to me, it struck me. I was like, we're all separated from each other. I had to say goodbye to my last living grandfather through a window.

You know, we're all on these zoom screens. We're not necessarily communal with each other. And I'm like, you know what? Now is the time for us to get back to our true being.

Because us as humans, we're very relational. We're very communal. And I just adopted that word as my company, my company name.

But then also it transposed into the lessons of the book is like me getting my life back together, owning what I could own, my mistakes, my successes, all of it. Like, I want to introduce Kairos time to the world.

And the best way I've been able to use an analogy with is most athletes know about the zone or flow. When you're in the zone or flow, you have zero concept of time. You're not even thinking about time. In fact, time slows down.

If you've ever been in the zone or flow, that's Kairos time.

Yeah, I love that. I was in the zone recently when I was in my bowling league. So I was about to bowl a 300 game and missed one frame. It still haunts me.

Oh, at a 270, you'll get it. That just means you're on your way.

That's right, I'm on the way. But. So let's talk about your book. As you break your book down into two parts, let's talk about part one first, the rise.

Tell us about what part one of your book is about part one is

really about my younger years. So it's almost like autobiographical, but also using the lessons that I learned to become where I am today.

It's interesting, most authors in the self development space are trying to carve out their niche and be an expert in this one thing. That's not what I was trying to do. I was just trying to share from my journey, give all the gain possible because God put it on my heart.

Hey, these hard fought lessons weren't just for you. Give them back to the world. And so part one I was saying, here's where it took for me to get to where I was.

The hard work, the lessons, the coaching, the mentorship.

And then I shifted and that was where I climbed the ladder, if you will, of building businesses and being able to exit one of those business to buy the big business. And it was really about my relationships with my dad, good and bad. It was about how I transitioned from corporate world to being an entrepreneur.

Just different lessons along the way that would help someone that was reading it potentially see themselves in my shoes and go, oh, if he can do that, I wonder if I can as well.

And then part two is the Five Bridges of Cairo. So let's talk about that.

I love that you fact you start off with the spiritual, but most people don't like to dig into that when they do a book like that. But tell us about the spiritual bridge first.

Yeah, so the five Bridges came from all the hard fought lessons. Let me give some context first.

When I was terminated and everything was ripped away from me, I wasn't allowed to go back to the offices that I owned, like 35,000 square feet. My name was on the lease. I wasn't even allowed to go there and get my stuff.

They're afraid that I might talk to people, might pull them out of there or throw a fit, I don't know what, but either way. So a couple weeks later, they send the movers and ship all my stuff to me or you know, send it to me, to my house.

And those boxes showed up and it was just a painful reminder and I couldn't open them for like 30 days. And one day I made my way down to the basement. I got brave and I decided to open those boxes. And in that moment I had an epiphany.

I'm opening, you know, I got my designation. So I didn't have Reverend and doctor in front of my name, but I had a bunch of financial designations behind my name.

You know, awards, certificates, all this different stuff. Family photos, all my books. Stuff of that nature, trophies. And I looked at this stuff, and I was like, man, I had it all wrong. None of this matters.

None of this means a thing. Like, if I died today, my wife would have. Like, this stuff would collect us on the shelf.

Or, like, I certainly can't bring it with me or just be, or she'd toss it or, you know, whatever. Like, it meant nothing. So what I was doing was chasing all the wrong things. And I had to ask myself some really important questions.

Was I pursuing God the way I was pursuing positional power, accolades, money? The answer was no. Was I chasing my wife as much as I was chasing goals as I was chasing money or other things? The answer was no.

And was I allocating time on my calendar for my kids as much as I was my schedule? And the answer was no. And that was a really hard pill to swallow. And so out from that.

Cause I thought I lost everything in reality, I didn't lose my relationship with God, I didn't lose my relationship with my wife, and I didn't lose my relationship with my kids. And at the end of the day, that's all I need. So when I thought I lost everything in reality, I didn't lose anything of meaning.

Wow, I love that.

That's great. And so leading into that spiritual bridge, I realized that we get it all wrong.

We chase professional accolades, we chase financial freedom, success, whatever it may be, and we skip the most important things in life.

So I was like, okay, if I was to reorder this and do it right and be able to create a framework so that people could actually live this work life, balance that everyone's trying to seek, which I detail in my book. I actually don't believe in balance only because it indicates 50. 50. And there will never be a point in your life that everything's 50, 50, ever.

No magical day. So I like work life, harmony or integration better. That being said, everyone's chasing it.

So if I could create the framework for myself, I could teach the framework to others. So spiritual bridge is number one. You don't have to believe what the Reverend and I believe, but you do have to understand why you have this.

Why are you here in this moment of time, on this planet? What reason are you here and getting right spiritually? So for the Reverend and I, that's Jesus, that's God. We. That's.

I don't believe we were an accident. I believe we were divinely created. And so for me, that's my connection. And I gotta make sure that that's of utmost Importance.

And that relationship is place number one.

And then you have the internal bridge. Tell us a little bit about that.

Yeah. So every time we get on an airplane, we get this one specific instruction and that instruction is now we get a couple.

But one that's always repeated is put your oxygen mask on first before assisting others. Well, if you think about the reason why, the reason why is you're no use to others if you're passed out or dead.

So put yours on first, then assist others.

And if we take that principle to life, because this is where I see a lot of entrepreneurs get it wrong and I got it wrong for a period of time is because I was pursuing that next mountaintop, I let some of my health go. And anytime you let your physical health go, you also let your mental health go. They're very interlinked.

And so the internal bridge is mental, emotional and physical. And making sure that we're putting our oxygen mask on before assisting others.

Meaning we have to be our best selves in order to serve others at the best level that they deserve. So we have to place importance around our mental, emotional and physical health. Put our oxygen mask on first, then be the best to assist others.

You really are passionate about men's mental health. I noticed that. And it's a topic that carries a stigma.

What trends are you seeing that men need to really think focus on today to make sure that they are not dealing with that struggle silently.

Yeah, glad you asked that. Here's the main one. We don't have deep relationships with other men. That is the main one. The vast majority of men suffer in silence alone.

In fact, of most men, if they're married, their only safe space is their spouse. And if that spouse does not provide a safe space for them or if they're stressed out as well, that even eats at them more.

So they have no one, they feel like they have no one to talk to, no one to put their hand on their shoulder and tell them it's going to be okay. And so that's why I think Bible studies with other men.

I think having close friends, knowing friends that actually I have segments of friends, I have friends that I know, like, hey, if I want to go do something fun with, I go do that with them. But those friends may not be there for me in my darkest moments.

And I then I have group of friends that like, I know I could call at 3 in the morning and say, hey, I think I'm going to end it all. And I got them to call and pull me out of that funk.

And if you don't have a man in your life, another man in your life, that can help you in those moments. That's why we're losing too many men to suicide. I hesitate saying it's simple because it's not. It's just that's the biggest gap.

Like when we were young, jostling in the locker room, or with our bravado or whatever it may be, like, we didn't necessarily learn how to form those deeper relationships.

Women have a leg up on us in that regard, knowing that they need each other, whether it was their mom, their sister, a best friend, whatever it may be. Our best friend and I, your best friend. Like, as younger, we probably didn't get into too many deep conversations. We were.

We were just doing fun stuff together. We were, you know, picking on each other. We were chasing girls together.

Whatever that was typically didn't lead to like, hey, why do you think I exist on this planet? Hey, what do you think about Jesus? Hey, I have this problem right now with my spouse that I can't fix. I need help.

And without those relationships and people to bounce that off of, it just becomes so lonely and dark. And that's the number one thing I want to help with men is like getting into community with other men.

Not to just commiserate, but to have brotherhood. And the Bible's very clear about having brotherhood. And it seems to be so lost in this new day and age.

Yeah. And I noticed that in your book, in chapter 16, you spend a lot of time talking about the relationship bridge.

Let's talk about that in your book, because you really address the need to have that as a healthy part of your five bridges of kairos.

Yeah. Relationships are what I call the fruit of life. They bring us so much joy. The right ones, right.

There's boundaries we need to set with some of the wrong ones, but the right ones bring us so much joy. And that's where we need to really find is those relationships that feed us and that we feed them. Right.

It's a mutual street where we can't be just takers. Like, we have to be givers. And then we also got to receive and be able to receive well.

So I have an order to the relationships, and it goes along with the order of the bridges. The relationship. First you need foremost is God. Second relationship, if you're married, it's your spouse or. I'm sorry.

Second relationship is yourself. You have to be really grounded and accepting and loving of yourself. Third, then if you're married, is your spouse.

Fourth, if you have them is your kids. Fifth is everyone else. But it's really finding those, those everyone else and that everyone else.

It doesn't have to be this large, large group of circle. In fact, the older I get, the more I want to go deeper with fewer.

Now, in my business, I'm blessed to have a lot of great business relationships and I coach a lot of people and have masterminds, all this stuff.

But in my friend circle, which I'm blessed that a lot of clients become friends, like it's going deeper with fewer instead of trying to be Mr. Or Mrs. Popular to everyone.

That's good. And of course, chapter, your next bridge is environmental bridge.

But I want to dig into your work as a certified EOS implementer because you help organizations align vision with execution. In your experience, what's one thing most leaders underestimate when trying to build something sustainable?

That everything good that they built is because of them. But conversely, everything, all the issues going on, anything bad going on is also because of them. It's a paradox.

And so what they have to realize is the majority of time, they're the bottleneck. And they need to hire really smart, talented people and remove their ego and let these people do their thing like they're what God gifted them to do.

Like my right hand, Alicia, she's the one employee I brought with me from my firm because she is exactly opposite of me. She I'm this crazy visionary that has 20 brilliant ideas every single day. And by the way, I think they're brilliant. She's my.

She's my check to say no. That's actually not that good of idea. That one, though. That one we could run with because I'm all gassed.

And I'm not saying she's all brakes, but she helps me understand what fits and what doesn't. Because if it was left to me, I'm just going to go, go, go, go and run us ragged all over the place.

And so what leaders really need to do is once you get these really smart and talented people in your organization, let them do what God's gifted them to do. Don't hold them up, don't micromanage. Don't think that you're smarter than them. Because if you hired the right person, that's exactly.

Let them do what you hired them to do. And so don't be the bottleneck would be the last parting words or short phrase of that in your last chapter.

I love it because it's always the last question I always ask it on my podcast is about legacy and you talk a lot about legacy building, something that outlives you. When you look at the clients and the communities that you're serving, what kind of legacy do you hope they create?

What do I hope they create? I hope that they create whatever God put in their heart. What I want them to understand. Like, the vision that God gave you was only for you.

And if you don't act on that, you're. You're sacrificing the gift and you're actually slapping God in the face in the process.

And so whatever their niche of the world is, like, what I've realized, where I get a lot of passion and joy, is people that are trying to change the world in their segment, whatever it may be, let's say it's an electrical contractor, but he's trying to change lives of his employees and he's just trying to carve out his niche in whatever small town America. I want to, I want to amplify whatever his vision is and be a catalyst to help him achieve whatever that is.

And so whatever God put in their heart is what they need to act on. But what I want people to realize about legacy is we all think that it's like 30 years out. We just think it's a long time from now.

Someday I'm going to leave a legacy. No, you're leaving a legacy every single day. You're blessed to wake up. It's today.

And the other thing that people get wrong about legacy is they think it's about things. And it's not. Because just like those boxes that I opened up and realized that it was just stuff. There's never a U haul following a Hearst.

Like, it's just stuff. It's not going with you. So what is legacy then? It's what you leave in others.

It's the impact that you have on others lives that are gonna remain behind after you're gone. And that's how it's transposed. Like, if we think about that, like, we are still talking about Abraham Lincoln today.

Like, we, like, we're still talking about Dr. Martin Luther King today. Like, we're still like.

And you don't have to be this massive figure, but in your community and who you impacted, the people in the lives that you impacted, are they still talking about you today? Right. That's the thing is like, I heard this quote a long time ago is like, we're.

I was in the, you know, financial planning world, so we dealt a lot with life insurance and I delivered death claims and we always learned about the top five Regrets of the dying. Like, so I have a lot of context around this.

And it's like I heard this quote is, you're two generations from being forgotten unless you leave a massive impact. We're like, I don't know, five, six generations from Abraham Lincoln. Right. We're still talking about him today. So what impact do you want to have?

And how can you start living into that impact daily, not someday?

So with that in mind, what do you want your legacy to be?

So I've thought a lot about this, is like, I'm actually doing a great job of living it today.

The one thing that I'm currently working on, that I want to be a big part of my legacy is I did not understand coming into the coaching world how many frauds there were. People speaking from theory and selling funnels and kind of bull crap that I just did.

I was always blessed with good mentors and coaches in my previous world. So the thing I'm trying to upend today, that I want to be a part of my legacy is that we're building out a community of operator coaches.

So only entrepreneurs coaching entrepreneurs. And I just believe entrepreneurs are the kind of last frontier of America. Big corporate has taken over so much.

But it's the entrepreneurs that impact the community. It's the entrepreneurs that create the jobs in these small communities.

And if I can impact them and if I can create a world where they continue to thrive despite the big corporation influx, that's what I want to be.

A big part of my legacy is that thousands are impacted by the work we're doing to make their lives better, which just compound through all their employees and the communities that they serve.

So tell us about Kairos coaching purpose. What do you do? Who do you coach? How do people connect with it?

So you're breaking up a little bit there, the Kairos code.

Tell us about Kairos coaching. Tell us about who you work with, how people connect with that, the foundation of it, the goals, vision for it.

Yeah. So Kairos coaching, I serve entrepreneurs and I serve them on an individual level.

We have a mastermind level where we get groups together that I facilitate. Obviously, the eos that you mentioned, I work with specific companies and their leadership teams on that regard.

And I also have this beautiful farm where we host retreats to get people away from their computer screens, away from their fluorescent lights, and reconnect internally with themselves, spiritually, internally, relationally, and help them build or dive deeper inward so they can go back to their world as better humans and serve their families, their employees and everyone that's around them.

Awesome. So we have a surprise thing on a show now. It's a pick a surprise question. Pick a number between 1 and 10 for your surprise question.

9. That was my football number.

All right. If you had to teach a class on one thing, what would you teach?

I think I'll go back to my first one of the first questions you asked. I think strength in vulnerability and humility.

Because I think that a lot of people get it twisted where they think that, especially in our generation we were raised with not showing vulnerability, not showing, you know, we were kind of taught rub dirt on it, don't show emotion, stuff of that nature done appropriately. Vulnerability, humility, authenticity. Those three things are an absolute superpower.

I love that. So, Josh, where can people connect with you? Find you on social media? Find your more about your company?

Yeah, the easiest way. I actually have great SEO because I've never met another Josh Kosnick.

So I'm Ash Kosnick on all social medias joshcosnick.com for website and we'd love to connect and see or hear what you took from today that was most impactful.

Well, Josh, thank you for sharing your wisdom, your vulnerability, and your commitment to helping people live lives of purpose and integrity. Your work is making a profound difference and it's an absolute blessing having you on the show to our listeners.

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Josh, thanks so much for being a guest.

Thanks for having me.