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The Power of Sports For Good With Roy Kessel
Episode 243rd May 2023 • Shining Brightly • Howard Brown
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SPORTS BUILDS HEALTHIER AND MORE INCLUSIVE COMMUNITIES! In Episode 23 “The Poser of Sports for Good on the Shining Brightly Podcast Show, I welcome my long-time friend Roy Kessel, founder of the Sports Philanthropy Network. In the era of name, image and likeness for college athletes and professional athlete contract in the 6,7 or 8 figure millions there are valuable lessons to be learned about GIVING BACK.  It takes knowledge, financial literacy and in some cases nonprofit board and foundation governance. The Sports Philanthropy Network’s mission is to assist athletes, coaches, teams, leagues and other sports organizations harness the power of sports to do great things in their communities. If you love sports or want to be inspired by how sports shape our communities, come listen then share this show.

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https://sportsphilanthropynetwork.org/

https://charity.pledgeit.org/SPNFanDraftChallenge

About the guest:

Roy is the Founder of the Sports Philanthropy Network. Having spent over 25 years in the sports business world, Roy has a variety of experience including serving as an NFL agent, Chairing the Chicago Bar Association Sports Law Committee, as well as running celebrity and charity golf events for organizations like the Tournament of Roses and the NFL Coaches Association.  Roy is a graduate of the University of Wisconsin in Finance and Marketing and received his JD from the Northwestern University Pritzker School of Law.  Roy also taught at Northwestern University in their graduate sports management program and has served on numerous nonprofit boards.

About the Host:

Howard Brown is a best-selling author, award-winning international speaker, Silicon Valley entrepreneur, interfaith peacemaker, and a two-time stage IV cancer survivor. He is also a sought-after speaker and consultant for corporate businesses, nonprofits, congregations, and community groups. Howard has co-founded two social networks that were the first to connect religious communities around the world. He is a nationally known patient advocate and “cancer whisperer” to many families. Howard, his wife Lisa, and daughter Emily currently reside in Michigan, and his happy place is on the basketball court.

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Howard Brown:

Aloha. It's Howard Brown. This is the Shining

Howard Brown:

Brightly podcast show. Got another great one for you. And

Howard Brown:

I'm really excited. Long Time over 20 year friend, Roy Kessel

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from the sports philanthropy network is here and in the

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house. Roy, how you doing?

Roy Kessel:

I'm doing great. Thanks for having me, Howard.

Howard Brown:

Oh, man, it's boy, Roy and I have travelled the

Howard Brown:

world together. And we have a love of sports and love of

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community service together. It's we've got a lot of history and I

Howard Brown:

love him like a brother. So I'm glad you could be on the show.

Howard Brown:

Let me tell you a little bit about Roy. Roy is the founder of

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the sports philanthropy network. He spent over 25 years in the

Howard Brown:

sports business world and a variety of experiences including

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serving as an NFL agent, chairing the Chicago Bar

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Association Sports Law Committee, as well as running

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celebrity and charity golf events for different

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organisations, including the Tournament of Roses and the NFL

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coaches association. Roy is a graduate of the University of

Howard Brown:

Wisconsin, they don't call them badger Roy for no reason. And he

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has a finance and marketing degree, as well as his JD from

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Northwestern Pritzker School of Law, right taught at the

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Northwestern University in graduate Sports Management

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Programme, and has been on numerous nonprofit boards,

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including and leadership cabinet where we met over 20 years ago.

Howard Brown:

And so Roy, the founder of the sportsman, three sports

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philanthropy network, well, that's the bio Roy, tell us a

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little bit more about you and something that that folks don't

Howard Brown:

know about you. Like you're a scratch golfer, almost,

Roy Kessel:

I wish I was has gone the wrong direction. But

Roy Kessel:

thanks for having me on the show. I love I love the work

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that you're doing. And your story is so inspirational. You

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know, we see it across the country. So congratulations on

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everything that you're doing to create that hope and possibility

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for people. For my end, what what people don't know, they may

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not know that. My parents are from South Africa. I was born in

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Israel and grew up in Madison, as you said, badger Roy, and

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then I have a younger sister Sharon, that's developmentally

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disabled. That's been a huge impact on on my life and on so

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many people in the Madison community.

Howard Brown:

It's awesome. So I will tell you, I'm wearing the

Howard Brown:

old sports brain shirt today, gift from you to me about

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concussions and all the stuff that you've been involved with

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over the years. But I want to dig in a little bit sports

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philanthropy network, building stronger, healthier, more

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inclusive communities through sports. Listen, I have to tell

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you sports for good, it hits me right in the heart, I love it.

Howard Brown:

You know me, I find my happy place on the basketball court

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played two hours today hit the three still playing at age 57.

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And it helped me you know, get back get my self esteem, my

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mental and physical toughness through cancer diagnosis. So I

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love it, you and I share that love for sports. So how did this

Howard Brown:

all kind of come about sports philanthropy network?

Roy Kessel:

Well, having been in the sports business world for 25

Roy Kessel:

years, one of the things that I saw was the passion that so many

Roy Kessel:

of these athletes have for their own communities, they really

Roy Kessel:

want to give back. And unfortunately, they're not given

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the tools and the support to really make a difference.

Roy Kessel:

They're kind of conditioned, that they're good for being

Roy Kessel:

celebrities, right? But not much else. Right? What are they told

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they're told they're good for, for things when they're not

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playing sports, signing autographs for people, taking

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photos with people playing in golf outings or going to

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fundraising dinners, and they're sort of conditioned to believe

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that's the way you give back to the community. And it's really a

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disservice to these individuals, they have reached the highest

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levels of sports, right highest level of college sports, pro

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sports, they want to do something more substantial, but

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they need a little bit of support and some more training

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and resources to be able to do that. And so the genesis of

Roy Kessel:

sports philanthropy network was when I started running the

Roy Kessel:

celebrity golf outings and got a chance to interact with these

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athletes on a more direct level, not on a fan level, but more on

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a peer level, where I could talk to them while they were

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participating in these events and really learn about what

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inspired them what they cared about what they wanted to do.

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And so when we started sports philanthropy network, the idea

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was, how can we support this ecosystem of the world of sports

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philanthropy? How can we build a pipeline of philanthropy that

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gives back and is a in a sense a distribution mechanism for

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education, training, professional development, for

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sports, nonprofits, and that kind of touches on two levels?

Roy Kessel:

One I'm on the side of the youth that are involved in these

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programmes where we can run things like financial literacy,

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STEM education, leadership, anti bullying, anti drug programmes,

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and then the other for the staff and the organisation itself,

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where it would be things in the nature of fundraising culture,

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social media, border director training, things of that nature,

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to help them make a greater impact.

Howard Brown:

I really love it because, you know, teaching

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these athletes and we're gonna get into NIHL in a little bit,

Howard Brown:

especially I just saw the movie air and the Air Jordan Brand

Howard Brown:

being developed by Nike and, and they had O'Bannon case that

Howard Brown:

started this off, but I was recently at the cologuard

Howard Brown:

classic put on by exact science out of Wisconsin, that does the

Howard Brown:

cancer testing for colorectal cancer. And they put on a whole

Howard Brown:

golf tournaments a senior store, and they have celebrities. And I

Howard Brown:

have to tell you, I got to just hang out whether hitting golf

Howard Brown:

balls, Bryce Butler, from the Dallas Cowboys, Golden Tate,

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formerly of the Seahawks, lions, I think even the Giants Jimmy

Howard Brown:

Rollins, ex Philly, and Dodger, and then Reggie Bush, you know,

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it just these guys, I really, you know, they take their

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valuable time to actually come and play and raise funds for,

Howard Brown:

you know, a cause like colon cancer. And I love that the

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lesson that it teaches, and that the heart that they show, they

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were really deeply impacted. They were listening to our

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stories. They were empathetic, they were grateful. And I love

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that. And again, not all athletes that but some of that

Howard Brown:

is a learned response. And so tell me about like, you got,

Howard Brown:

like so many things going right. Tell people your travel

Howard Brown:

schedule, just in the last, you know, opening up this year,

Howard Brown:

January, February, March, where have you been?

Roy Kessel:

Yeah, the travel schedule to start the year first

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quarter is pretty hectic, there's coaching conventions

Roy Kessel:

for, for baseball, for football for soccer, each of which have

Roy Kessel:

over 10,000 people in coaches attending and so that's kind of

Roy Kessel:

the first half of January. And then you get into the The PGA

Roy Kessel:

Show in Orlando in the Senior Bowl in mobiele. And the Pro

Roy Kessel:

Bowl and East West Shrine game in Vegas, and Super Bowl week is

Roy Kessel:

just wall to wall. With programmes that we run and the

Roy Kessel:

broadcasting we do the NFL, we're fortunate to have a great

Roy Kessel:

relationship with them and get media credentials to host

Roy Kessel:

broadcasts on radio row at the Super Bowl. And so we had over

Roy Kessel:

40 guests on our show during the week after the Superbowl, and

Roy Kessel:

you know, former athletes, current athletes, sports agents,

Roy Kessel:

media people, it's a it's a great environment. And you know,

Roy Kessel:

and after that we had a chance to be at the NBA All Star

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events, the NFL owners meetings, it's conference basketball

Roy Kessel:

tournaments, and men's and women's Final Four, and we're

Roy Kessel:

just getting ready to go out to the NFL Draft. So the first

Roy Kessel:

three or four months of the year are pretty crazy. But what's

Roy Kessel:

been really gratifying is as we go around the country, we host

Roy Kessel:

opportunities to bring people together from the sports

Roy Kessel:

business world in the sport philanthropy world. And there's

Roy Kessel:

so much interest in engaging with the work we're doing, as

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you said, to build stronger, healthier and more inclusive

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communities. And so we just got back from the Black Sports

Roy Kessel:

Business Symposium in Atlanta and Mercedes Benz stadium. And

Roy Kessel:

we had the night before that event. 120 people show up at the

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Omni Hotel overlooking the park their beautiful setting on a

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great night. But Atlanta is an incredible community. And so

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we're really excited that this year, we're finally able to be

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out of COVID completely and be launching our chapters. And so

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we've gotten a dozen chapters in their early stages, and we

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anticipate having 30 active chapters by the end of next

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year.

Howard Brown:

I your schedule is is a blizzard. And I have to

Howard Brown:

tell you, I was listening a little bit on radio row. That's

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a great honour. And it just shows the relationship and the

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credibility that you and Kayla and the sports philanthropy team

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has built with the professional leagues and the college leagues

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and the individual players and coaches, trainers, sports

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agents, I mean, it's it's really connective tissue there to build

Howard Brown:

these diverse communities and people are are jumping at the

Howard Brown:

chance 120 people that come to see in Atlanta, I just want to

Howard Brown:

give you an applause there. But so people in my audience that

Howard Brown:

may be listening, how do they get involved?

Roy Kessel:

Well, it's really easy. One of the things that we

Roy Kessel:

tell people is there's so many opportunities to be involved. We

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really just need to hear from you what you're interested in.

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One of the great benefits of the chapters is we now have

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opportunities for people to engage in their local markets.

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I think for certain people, it was a bit overwhelming to try to

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look at how can I get involved in a national or international

Roy Kessel:

organisation. Now with the chapters, we're getting enormous

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response of people that want to be planning events running what

Roy Kessel:

we call our organisational showcase, which brings together

Roy Kessel:

between 15 and 20 nonprofits in a market and kind of creates an

Roy Kessel:

event to expose them to the business community through the

Roy Kessel:

Chambers of Commerce and the business networking groups so

Roy Kessel:

that these nonprofits can meet business leaders in the

Roy Kessel:

community can find and identify potential new donors, new board

Roy Kessel:

members. And this event is what we use as our kickoff in most of

Roy Kessel:

the new markets. Because it's a great way when we're building

Roy Kessel:

our leadership council to be able to get people involved. So

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how can you get involved? You can take a look at the site you

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can email me you can email Kayla Beretta was our EVP and has been

Roy Kessel:

with this from the beginning. And you can jump in and look at

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how can we be part of a Chapter How can you be an ambassador and

Roy Kessel:

ambassadors really, are people that want to help? You don't

Roy Kessel:

have to work in sports, you don't have to work for a sports

Roy Kessel:

team. You don't have to be an athlete. What do you care about?

Roy Kessel:

Tell us what causes you're passionate about and we can help

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identify ways for you to support our efforts as they relate to

Roy Kessel:

those causes.

Howard Brown:

It's just beautiful. One of the programmes

Howard Brown:

Roy that I want to hear more about is that this financial

Howard Brown:

literacy programme at the Super Bowl, very interesting what

Howard Brown:

you're doing there, explain explain how that works.

Roy Kessel:

Yeah, that was, Kayla took the lead on that and

Roy Kessel:

did an amazing job pulling that event together. We had a dozen

Roy Kessel:

athletes. Speaking that day. That was a Monday of Super Bowl

Roy Kessel:

week at Tolleson High School, just west of Phoenix. Its title

Roy Kessel:

one school 98% of the kids in the school, getting free and

Roy Kessel:

reduced hot lunch. So it's a school were definitely in an

Roy Kessel:

underserved market. And as these athletes came in, they sat and

Roy Kessel:

told their stories of how financial literacy or lack of

Roy Kessel:

financial literacy had impacted their lives, right, including

Roy Kessel:

people who had been literally homeless who had been on the

Roy Kessel:

street and had turned their lives around. And one of the

Roy Kessel:

things that the all of the athletes talked about is how

Roy Kessel:

little This is covered in anybody school. Right? Even my

Roy Kessel:

kids that went to high end, public high school here in the

Roy Kessel:

Chicago suburbs, they never had financial literacy training or

Roy Kessel:

programme. So kids either get that at home, or they don't,

Roy Kessel:

because the schools really aren't doing it. The colleges

Roy Kessel:

aren't doing it. So Superbowl week we hosted an event there

Roy Kessel:

500 Kids, that were seniors in the auditorium, the athletes

Roy Kessel:

were there. It went about two hours. And one of the big

Roy Kessel:

comments we got afterwards from the athletes was how well

Roy Kessel:

behaved the kids were, they weren't playing on their phones,

Roy Kessel:

they weren't talking. They were really engaged with listening,

Roy Kessel:

they asked incredible questions. These are athletes that speak

Roy Kessel:

all over the country very frequently. And they said this

Roy Kessel:

was one of the best groups that they had had ever seen. And one

Roy Kessel:

of the things that we're really fortunate about is the number of

Roy Kessel:

athletes that support the work we're doing, because they came

Roy Kessel:

in, none of them are getting paid to speak. None of them are

Roy Kessel:

getting paid to come and fly in. We had some people that flew in

Roy Kessel:

just for the day, we had others that were there for Super Bowl

Roy Kessel:

week. But as the event went on, we brought in Little Caesars to

Roy Kessel:

partner with us to provide lunch for the kids. So that was a

Roy Kessel:

great opportunity. And you know, right there from, you know, from

Roy Kessel:

Michigan. So a great connection there. But they really jumped on

Roy Kessel:

it quickly once they found out about the event. And we're

Roy Kessel:

looking at doing additional events with them. But one of the

Roy Kessel:

unique factors afterwards was the athletes who were the ones

Roy Kessel:

serving the pizza to the kids.

Howard Brown:

So that's beautiful.

Roy Kessel:

They're dishing out pizza. And then we created

Roy Kessel:

posters and flyers for each of the kids to have signed by the

Roy Kessel:

athletes and they stayed around for another hour and a half

Roy Kessel:

after they spoke and serve the pizza to the kids spoke to the

Roy Kessel:

kids sign things for the kids and really just gave them an

Roy Kessel:

opportunity to engage in interact. So it's a really

Roy Kessel:

fantastic programme, something we're looking to replicate in

Roy Kessel:

more markets on an ongoing basis. And one of the reasons

Roy Kessel:

for having chapters is we want to be able to do that type of

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programme regularly and not only at a Super Bowl,

Howard Brown:

right? So I mean, yeah, there's lots of lots of

Howard Brown:

high schools that if you have your chapters to facilatate

Howard Brown:

those programmes. I'm really taken ROI because I know Charles

Howard Brown:

Barkley says he's not a role model, although he is. It's

Howard Brown:

really nice to see that the athletes taking that seriously

Howard Brown:

owning their responsibility. And and doing that sounds like that

Howard Brown:

programme worked out, you know, just tremendously. Another

Howard Brown:

programme I want to feature is that you launched something

Howard Brown:

called the sports philanthropy Academy. What please share with

Howard Brown:

what's going on and give us an update what's going on with the

Howard Brown:

academy?

Roy Kessel:

Yeah, the idea for sports only out there P Academy

Roy Kessel:

came about because as we talked to a lot of people who had

Roy Kessel:

launched sports nonprofits, what we've found is more than it in

Roy Kessel:

other nonprofits, the people that started these cared about

Roy Kessel:

the, the youth in the community cared about the sport, but may

Roy Kessel:

not have any background in running a business may not have

Roy Kessel:

any background in running a nonprofit may never have served

Roy Kessel:

on a nonprofit board. And so what we were hearing was, these

Roy Kessel:

individuals know how to run a soccer practice, right? They

Roy Kessel:

bring the balls, the cones, they run the drills, the kids are

Roy Kessel:

super engaged, and then they realise like, Hey, this is going

Roy Kessel:

to take a lot more time, a lot more money, a lot more manpower

Roy Kessel:

than, than we anticipated. And so they look around and they

Roy Kessel:

say, how can we make a difference here? And so what we

Roy Kessel:

found is they needed more training, they needed more

Roy Kessel:

support to be able to do that. When somebody starts a

Roy Kessel:

nonprofit, they don't realise the regulatory hurdles, the

Roy Kessel:

compliance issues that are there. The governance

Roy Kessel:

requirements for the board of directors, right, a lot of

Roy Kessel:

people, you know, you and I have been in fantasy football leagues

Roy Kessel:

together, right? So you start a new nonprofit, you put your arms

Roy Kessel:

out and who do you grab, you grab your basketball buddies,

Roy Kessel:

you grab your softball team, you grab your fantasy football

Roy Kessel:

league, and then after a year, you're like, Oh, this is so

Roy Kessel:

frustrating, I thought these guys were really going to help

Roy Kessel:

me Well, that's not necessarily the best way to identify board

Roy Kessel:

members. And that's just one example. So when I had a chance

Roy Kessel:

to speak in Buffalo, through a programme that was funded by the

Roy Kessel:

Ralph Wilson Foundation, called Project play of Western New

Roy Kessel:

York, they brought in 80 organisations to speak. And I

Roy Kessel:

asked everybody how many had had business training. And it was

Roy Kessel:

two or three, and how many of them had gone to school for

Roy Kessel:

Nonprofit Management, and it was another couple. And how many of

Roy Kessel:

you are here because you love kids, and you love sports,

Roy Kessel:

right? And everybody's hands go up,

Roy Kessel:

And so we really want to be able to facilitate

Howard Brown:

right.

Howard Brown:

that training, what we see too often is a proverbial giving the

Howard Brown:

organization's of fish instead of teaching them to fish. So a

Howard Brown:

Major League franchise told us they fund 200 organisations for

Howard Brown:

about a million dollars. So if you do the quick math has $5,000

Howard Brown:

per organisation, which is not enough to be a Sustaining Gift

Howard Brown:

is certainly not a transformational level gift. And

Howard Brown:

then every year, that orcs got to go back and ask for that

Howard Brown:

$5,000. If you do the rough math, it's probably a losing

Howard Brown:

proposition. Because between the time spent from the Major League

Howard Brown:

club, and the nonprofit organisation, and the compliance

Howard Brown:

and the reporting and everything that goes into it, it probably

Howard Brown:

isn't even creating any value. So how can we take some of that

Howard Brown:

funding that is already identified for these nonprofits,

Howard Brown:

run sports philanthropy Academy programming, let's say for

Howard Brown:

example, in that community four times a year for those 200

Howard Brown:

organisations and teach them how to get more effective, how to

Howard Brown:

build capacity, how to grow their organisation, so they can

Howard Brown:

make a greater impact, just running rough numbers, we

Howard Brown:

estimate that that return on that programme is getting to be

Howard Brown:

a minimum of 20 to one on whatever is invested into it.

Howard Brown:

Right, right. No, I hear you. And I love that

Howard Brown:

because you're, you're teaching them, you know how to fish. And

Howard Brown:

then they can they can do that. And not everybody is versed on

Howard Brown:

the compliance and the nonprofit and the tax deductions and all

Howard Brown:

that stuff as well. I want to switch topics now because I want

Howard Brown:

your take on name image and likeness. Alright, young people

Howard Brown:

in college are being thrown a whole bunch of money at them

Howard Brown:

without any training, as you said their financial literacy.

Howard Brown:

And I think this makes sports philanthropy and what you do

Howard Brown:

actually, it takes you to a whole nother level. Well, what's

Howard Brown:

your take on how this is working out? It's you know, the train

Howard Brown:

has already left the station. What What's your take on name,

Howard Brown:

image and licence in the college ranks?

Roy Kessel:

Yeah, it's really interesting, right? And so we're

Roy Kessel:

coming up on two years that this has been in existence, legally,

Roy Kessel:

right. It's been in existence for 20 plus years where it's

Roy Kessel:

been going on under the table and behind the scenes, so I

Roy Kessel:

think it's fantastic. stuff that is out in the open, I think the

Roy Kessel:

open market is the right way for this to work. We launched an

Roy Kessel:

initiative last summer called NIHL, for good to work with

Roy Kessel:

these NIHL agencies and influencers, on how they can use

Roy Kessel:

their name, image and likeness to help their community but also

Roy Kessel:

recognise that this is something that can help themselves as they

Roy Kessel:

want to build up their own brand, because nothing is going

Roy Kessel:

to build your own brand, like giving back. So when people see

Roy Kessel:

that you're speaking for a cause, right? whether, you know,

Roy Kessel:

you look at what you've been able to do with shining brightly

Roy Kessel:

and put yourself in that centre of attention, right, that gives

Roy Kessel:

you a great platform. So these athletes that already have the

Roy Kessel:

stage from their sport, can really use it for good. So that

Roy Kessel:

was the underpinning of NIL for good, but in the big marketplace

Roy Kessel:

of NIL, the struggle that we're seeing right now is that a lot

Roy Kessel:

of what is being paid for has nothing to do with name, image

Roy Kessel:

and likeness and has everything to do with I want you as a

Roy Kessel:

player to come to Michigan instead of going to Ohio State,

Roy Kessel:

or I want you to come to Georgia, instead of going to

Roy Kessel:

Alabama, right or USC and UCLA, pick your schools, it doesn't

Roy Kessel:

matter. A lot of the payments are not as much for the player

Roy Kessel:

to name image and likeness, because most of them, frankly,

Roy Kessel:

don't have a lot of value, true name, image likeness value. They

Roy Kessel:

have value as an athlete for that team. And so the struggle

Roy Kessel:

right now is how do we structure things. And there's legislation

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pending in a number of states and federal legislation, about

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disallowing the model where many of the NFL collectives have set

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themselves up as nonprofit entities to be able to take

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donations. And they're looking at it very closely because the

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physician is paying a player is not really a charitable

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endeavour, not really a tax deductible endeavour. So the

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ones that have set it up properly, have looked at it and

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said, we can take deductions, we can play, we can pay players to

Roy Kessel:

go and do charitable work. That's okay. Right. So if we go,

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we can pay them to go and pack food baskets, or go and visit a

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children's hospital. We can pay them to do things of that

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nature. But most of the payments, especially the big

Roy Kessel:

payments that you're seeing, don't fit that.

Howard Brown:

Right. It's it's an interesting world here and

Howard Brown:

also, right, there's tax consequences that they may or

Howard Brown:

may not be able to deal with. And this sometimes it's a lot of

Howard Brown:

money thrown at these young people. And, you know, how do

Howard Brown:

they manage that financial literacy that you spoke about

Howard Brown:

before? Well, listen, you're doing so much. I want to put you

Howard Brown:

in the shining bright the spotlight. I'm putting on my

Howard Brown:

shades right now, Roy, because it's so bright,

Roy Kessel:

I didn't get any shades.

Howard Brown:

Put we can get you some shades. That's easyon some

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dark shades, there you go. All right, so we are shining

Howard Brown:

brightly together. So I want you to take us home, I want you to

Howard Brown:

do a couple things. I want you to tell people how they can get

Howard Brown:

involved. I want you to tell people how they can actually

Howard Brown:

donate to support your efforts. And potentially, if you want to

Howard Brown:

offer him a Super Bowl pen, so go.

Roy Kessel:

Great. Well, again, Howard, I really appreciate the

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opportunity to be on here. In terms of donations. Easy to find

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right at the top of our page sports philanthropy network that

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org there's a tonne of information, a lot of resources

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on events going on an incredible organisations, we have

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organisational spotlights, on most of the professional

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franchises, we're doing series now on the colleges as well. So

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right on the top of the front page, you can keep an eye on our

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upcoming events, we're going to have those posted on an ongoing

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basis. So you can join in right there. We'd love to have you

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more active as an ambassador, or as part of the leadership

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council for one of our chapters. You can see that there as well.

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Our ambassadors are the lifeblood of the organisation

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and you're going to meet an amazing group of people around

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the country and around the world that are active with us and

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you're going to be part of Ambassador only events and

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trainings and opportunities on a monthly basis. So we'd love to

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have you do that Howard mentioned our Super Bowl pin. We

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launched our collectible pins with our character sporty sporty

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as our mascot you can see in my background and in sporty is

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spelled with an E at the end because sports are for everyone.

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Not with a why because no kid should have to ask why they

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can't play sports.

Howard Brown:

It's just awesome. So I want to tell you that it's

Howard Brown:

truly amazing. So everyone out there, you know go put 100

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Dollars donation and become an ambassador for the sports

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philanthropy network. If you love sports, you've got to love

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what this organisation is doing, and providing the education

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resources and the connective resources. All using sports for

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good. It's a beautiful thing ROI, absolute pleasure to, to

Howard Brown:

have you. Our friendship will go on and I just want to see sports

Howard Brown:

philanthropy network, you know, be that household name that

Howard Brown:

you're building and keep doing the good work that you're doing.

Howard Brown:

I appreciate it, and found in my heart right now. So for those of

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you listening or watching, you can get a hold of me at

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shiningbrightly.com another great episode on the podcast

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here with Roy Kellel, the sports philanthropy network and

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sportsphilanthropy.org. Come find me come interact, come get

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involved. Donate, we love you take care of shining brightly.

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It does make the world a better place. It does. We become a

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positive change. When you lift yourself up. You lift up others

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we come this force multiplier for good and positive change in

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the world. Thank you Roy loved having you.

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