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Episode 4713th March 2021 • Success Inspired • Vit Müller
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My guests today is a couple in their mid/late 50’s , Carla & Simon Fowler, who have been living aboard their 40 foot catamaran, Ocean Fox, and sailing the worlds oceans for two and a half years. 

What started as a crazy idea of Carla’s (who’d never sailed a day in her life), just two days after their wedding, turned into an adventure sailing over 24,000 nautical miles in 30 months, visiting many counties and they have documented our journey in more than two hundred videos on YouTube.

They have since become an inspiration for retired couples looking for a sea-change, proving that it’s never too late to have an adventure. 

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Highlights:

  • (00:06:06) - What goes in to the process of buying a boat
  • (00:09:04) - Career of Carla & Simon before the life on the boat
  • (00:12:12) - How Simon & Carla finance their lifestyle living on a boat
  • (00:14:13) - Carla & Simon's Youtube channel
  • (00:21:55) - Benefits of life on a boat
  • (00:28:23) - Pirates of the Caribbean are real
  • (00:33:38) - Making money while living on a boat - live aboard experience.
  • (00:40:51) - Regular day example of living on a boat

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Speaker:

Welcome to the success inspired podcast, a business and personal development podcast to help you accomplish more in life and realize your true potential.

Speaker:

And now here is your host Vit Muller

Vit Muller:

Hello everybody Vit here from Success Inspired Podcast, and today I've got another amazing guests on the show as part of the series about freedom lifestyle.

Vit Muller:

as you've heard some of the past episodes, I've interviewed people living on the boat.

Vit Muller:

So today my guest today is a couple in their mid, late fifties who have been living in a boat there who have been living a board.

Vit Muller:

their are 40 foot catamaran Ocean Fox and sailing the world's oceans for two and a half years.

Vit Muller:

What's that as a crazy idea of Carla, who'd never sailed a day in her life.

Vit Muller:

Just two days after their wedding turned into an adventure sailing over 24,000 nautical miles in 30 months, visiting many countries and they have documented.

Vit Muller:

Their journey in more than 200 videos on their YouTube channel, they have since become an inspiration for retired couples, looking for

Vit Muller:

Please.

Vit Muller:

Welcome to the show Simon and Carla from Sailing Ocean Fox.

Vit Muller:

Simon, Carla, great to have you on the show today,where are you guys today?

Vit Muller:

Where are you docked?

Simon Fowler:

we're on the South coast of Portugal, which is called the, our golf.

Simon Fowler:

we're actually in the Marina, which is quite unusual for us because we were normally, I told the anchor, but the the weather is we've got a bit of a blow coming through.

Simon Fowler:

So it's it's best to be in the marinas.

Vit Muller:

Now tell me how did, how did this happen?

Vit Muller:

How did you guys decide to jump into, jump into boat and decided to live the life on the boat?

Vit Muller:

How did that all happen?

Simon Fowler:

well, I suppose it goes back six years really?

Simon Fowler:

Isn't it.

Simon Fowler:

We met six years ago.

Simon Fowler:

I always say we met at the ticket barrier, a railway station, but that's where we met the first time.

Simon Fowler:

But the reality is we really met online and I about 18 months, two years, two years later, we got married.

Simon Fowler:

in Barbados and we had our four grown up children with us.

Simon Fowler:

Carla's got two daughters, I've got a son and daughter they're all in their twenties and we're laying on the sun bed as you do, two days after we got married and call it.

Simon Fowler:

So pops a question over the rum punch and says to me, Do you find she's selling the house and sailing the seas.

Simon Fowler:

And I have to admit, I have to think about it for a long time.

Simon Fowler:

All of about two seconds and then said, yeah, okay.

Simon Fowler:

Let's do it.

Simon Fowler:

But I don't think I actually, I don't think either of us really

Carla Fowler:

how deep

Simon Fowler:

it was, even though neither of us really realized what we were committing ourselves to at that point.

Simon Fowler:

But that's how it actually came up.

Vit Muller:

So Carla, when you asked Simon Simon, when you, when you heard that question, was it like your answer?

Vit Muller:

Was it like, you know, sometimes people just say, Hey, let's do it all.

Vit Muller:

Like just sort of half you know, how Siri is or,

Simon Fowler:

Oh, I knew she was serious.

Simon Fowler:

But I had actually sailed for quite a few years, although I haven't had a boat for over 15 years had my savings had taken me across the English

Simon Fowler:

And I kind of sat there for the next a week or two on the beach and thinking my world, well, w well, we actually committed ourselves to here because

Carla Fowler:

No,

Simon Fowler:

none whatsoever to a crossing an ocean.

Simon Fowler:

it was a huge a huge of step up a huge challenge.

Simon Fowler:

yeah, but from there

Carla Fowler:

we just committed ourselves and we made it happen took us 18 months, but we just made it happen.

Carla Fowler:

We just did all the

Simon Fowler:

right steps.

Simon Fowler:

It was like a sort of burning ambition got inside us.

Simon Fowler:

And by the time we got back to a dark and gray winter in the UK we set about actually really thinking to ourselves, how are we going to do this?

Simon Fowler:

How are we going to make this happen?

Simon Fowler:

And we set ourselves a timescale of to, to a team.

Simon Fowler:

two years, yeah, two years to flip another house and and, and get enough money up together to buy the boat.

Simon Fowler:

But as it actually happened we decided to leave on the adventure 15 months later because the housing market was having a bit of a dip at the time.

Simon Fowler:

Right.

Simon Fowler:

So we primed everything into 15 months, which was an awful lot really wasn't it, to get ourselves ready.

Simon Fowler:

Yes.

Simon Fowler:

we, first of all I didn't have a, a license, so to speak because in UK you don't need one.

Simon Fowler:

And but as soon as you go to some countries, Portugal is one, for example, gracious and other, and some of the Caribbean islands or Caribbean countries, you actually need a ticket

Simon Fowler:

So, we signed up on the sailing course in a week in The Mediterranean that summer.

Simon Fowler:

And so Carla learned basic rope handling and anchoring and some basics about saving a man overboard and that sort of thing.

Carla Fowler:

And I still didn't know anything.

Simon Fowler:

He's only true, you know, I mean, he goes to some of these causes and you think you get an ad.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

by the end of the week, you're going to be saving the seven seas so to speak.

Simon Fowler:

But no, it didn't happen like that for us.

Simon Fowler:

but we managed to get enough together to give us all some certificate so that we were, we were on paper qualified.

Simon Fowler:

then we had to sell the house.

Simon Fowler:

we have to sell our cars.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Carla Fowler:

So we had to put our furniture.

Carla Fowler:

We gave the most of the furniture to the kids, between the four kids.

Carla Fowler:

We put the rest of the things.

Carla Fowler:

We really like it in a

Simon Fowler:

storage.

Simon Fowler:

we gave stuff to charity shops.

Simon Fowler:

We still stuff on eBay.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

and eventually we managed to find ourselves approaching about beginning of March.

Simon Fowler:

And by the 28th of March, we were sitting on the boat in Croatia having bought it.

Simon Fowler:

It all happened very quickly at the very end.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

Cool.

Simon Fowler:

That's quite difficult to buy a boat, actually.

Simon Fowler:

It's surprising how difficult it becomes the buyer.

Simon Fowler:

Even if you got a cash sitting there.

Vit Muller:

Okay.

Vit Muller:

What goes into buying a boat?

Vit Muller:

What is difficult part about it?

Simon Fowler:

Well, the normal procedure is that a, you make an offer.

Simon Fowler:

The offer is accepted, or there's some bartering.

Simon Fowler:

You then pay a deposit, which gives you time to have the boat survey.

Simon Fowler:

Like you'd have a house survey and they knew if everything goes okay, you don't pay the money and you, you take the key so to speak.

Simon Fowler:

But we were buying a boat in Italy originally.

Simon Fowler:

And we, we, we thought we'd done a deal with a guy and then we we paid the deposit and , we thought we were we were there, you know, we, we, we, we, we don't, and

Simon Fowler:

So basically you pay a deposit to show that you're serious.

Simon Fowler:

And two weeks after that the guy wouldn't sell us the boat.

Simon Fowler:

So it all fell through.

Simon Fowler:

We managed to get our deposit back, but it did mean that we only had two weeks to find a boat, which was really quite difficult.

Carla Fowler:

it was all a bit stressful because we paid 10% of the boat, you know, the part of deposit.

Carla Fowler:

So we needed that money back and it was a bit of stress too, but they were all serious and they gave us the money back because it's just, you don't sleep until you have the money.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah, it was a lot of money.

Simon Fowler:

And anyway, we found this boat in Croatia and Carla was still working at the time.

Simon Fowler:

So, she said to me go down there and don't come back unless you bought it.

Simon Fowler:

So I went down there...

Carla Fowler:

Because at that time we had a week to leave the house and then we had no, nowhere to go.

Carla Fowler:

So we really had to buy something.

Vit Muller:

So everything was organized.

Vit Muller:

You were basically, everything was lining up to be sold.

Vit Muller:

And so you had nothing.

Vit Muller:

No say like not, not safety net, but you had no, I mean,

Simon Fowler:

it took two in the end.

Simon Fowler:

It was too packing everything up.

Simon Fowler:

We got a a trucking company from Serbia, they came to London and collected everything and Anyway 10 days later they delivered it perfectly to the boat in Croatia.

Simon Fowler:

I mean, we did think we'd probably never see it again, not belongings, but yeah, they just turned out.

Simon Fowler:

They're absolutely fantastic, actually.

Simon Fowler:

So yeah, it was all a bit to the sort of stressful thing, you know, and then we, we kind of had never seen the boat.

Simon Fowler:

we had a good idea of what it was like, but

Carla Fowler:

we knew exactly which book we want.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

And then the next exciting thing was actually getting it out of the Marina for the first time.

Simon Fowler:

Wasn't it?

Simon Fowler:

Because this thing is huge to us.

Simon Fowler:

I mean, this boat was enormous, you know, and it was parked our mod in a very expensive Marina.

Simon Fowler:

And with expensive boats around it.

Simon Fowler:

And it was a very windy day.

Simon Fowler:

The first day we had to get it out.

Simon Fowler:

We were still going to go out and turn left.

Simon Fowler:

And in fact, we went out and we got sweat right by the wind.

Simon Fowler:

And then we have to reverse, Oh, my word.

Simon Fowler:

It was so stressful.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

But we didn't hear anything.

Simon Fowler:

So we were okay.

Vit Muller:

That's amazing.

Vit Muller:

That's amazing.

Vit Muller:

I want to go back a little bit before, before this, your lifestyle that you live now.

Vit Muller:

Just to give people a bit of a perspective.

Vit Muller:

What were, what were you guys, what were your careers?

Vit Muller:

What were you doing just for people, you know, thinking about listening to you you guys are in your fifties, somebody might listen to it and like how what's

Vit Muller:

Like, just, just give us a bit of a back story.

Vit Muller:

What, what career you lived and what led to this.

Carla Fowler:

I was a personal assistant working for lawyers in London.

Carla Fowler:

So I had the about five jobs and I was working 80 hours a week.

Carla Fowler:

It was really busy yeah, so I think I just wanted to stop that and enjoy life.

Carla Fowler:

Wasn't it?

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

I think just to be clear, I'm in my sixties actually early sixties, but I think W we wanted some, we wanted something to be special about our relationship,

Simon Fowler:

And Saturday morning go to the supermarket and it was kind of like, it was so fresh and new and we were, we're kind of so much in love with

Simon Fowler:

As soon as this idea came up, we just both sort of jumped on it.

Simon Fowler:

And the idea is we're going to do this.

Simon Fowler:

We're going to do something different with our lifes instead of just the general routine, you know?

Simon Fowler:

And I think we just both got to that point in our lives.

Simon Fowler:

kids where they're all in a sort of mid to late twenties now.

Simon Fowler:

And at the time, they didn't look like there was a window between they were all they've all got jobs.

Simon Fowler:

They've all got boyfriends and girlfriends and they they're living somewhere.

Simon Fowler:

If you know what I mean, whether they're buying a house or renting, and it just looks like there's an opportunity for us to go off for a few years before grandchildren start coming along.

Simon Fowler:

You see, you see, so it kind of like all kind of fitted together.

Simon Fowler:

There'll be this gap that we could actually go and do stuff.

Carla Fowler:

Just to be clear, we are not wealthy people.

Carla Fowler:

We sold the house and bought the boat.

Carla Fowler:

So that's, we just move things around and we made it happen.

Carla Fowler:

So we are not wealthy, like, okay, we just going to buy a boat.

Carla Fowler:

Now, now

Simon Fowler:

there's a lot of people sitting on this Marina.

Simon Fowler:

This is their boat and they've got a couple of houses and things like that, that they rent out.

Simon Fowler:

There's no our case at all.

Simon Fowler:

Just going back on what I used to do, I used to be a, a director of a corporate events company.

Simon Fowler:

So we used to stage corporate events basically around the world.

Simon Fowler:

I did sporting events for the English rugby, things like that for football.

Simon Fowler:

And I've worked in 44 countries and I.

Simon Fowler:

the last really big event I did was in 2013 when we staged the summit in London.

Simon Fowler:

So, you know, I have a whole career of probably 40 years.

Simon Fowler:

I started off working in theater and then moved into the events industry.

Simon Fowler:

And I thoroughly enjoyed it to be honest, I did a lot of travel and I think now also.

Simon Fowler:

Kind of inspired me to do this with Carla when she, when she mentioned it, because I've traveled a lot in my life.

Simon Fowler:

And I think travel is wonderful.

Simon Fowler:

Carla has actually lived all over the place and, and traveling a lot.

Simon Fowler:

So I think that helped to make our decision.

Vit Muller:

So both.

Vit Muller:

Both of you have quite a, quite a strong career in, in corporate world.

Vit Muller:

You've been, you've been, you've been working the whole lives.

Vit Muller:

Seems like this is the opportunity to really explore life, not having to worry about work.

Vit Muller:

having said that though, now that you no longer work, how do you keep up with your day-to-day expenses?

Carla Fowler:

Well, that's debatable.

Carla Fowler:

That's we don't work.

Carla Fowler:

We actually work a lot because we decided to , grow our YouTube channels.

Carla Fowler:

So it has been much more work than we were expecting at the beginning.

Carla Fowler:

And at some point we had to decide, are we going to make this a business or not?

Carla Fowler:

We're just going to do this once in a while.

Carla Fowler:

So we decided to go for a business.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah, we, we decided before we left that we would do the YouTube channel and there was, there's more than one reason for doing it.

Simon Fowler:

One is undoubtedly.

Simon Fowler:

It can, if you're very successful give you a lot of cash for us.

Simon Fowler:

We don't get that much money out of it.

Simon Fowler:

We make enough money to pay for the diesel that goes in the tank and that's about it.

Simon Fowler:

But also we feel that So many people actually love following us.

Simon Fowler:

And they've kind of like really bought into the idea and what we're doing, that we, you know, we feel like we're, we're, we're not exactly celebrities.

Simon Fowler:

I wouldn't say that, but people are fond of us and they like it.

Simon Fowler:

So that's encouraging and we meet people along the way.

Carla Fowler:

Having to do this by.

Carla Fowler:

So he's just so grateful to just to just see that, that we can inspire someone.At our age, we can actually inspire people at the same age,

Simon Fowler:

We we've had two or three people come up to us and say, you're the reason why I'm here on my boat because, you know, I just.

Simon Fowler:

Couldn't get over your adventure.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah, that's quite good.

Simon Fowler:

And also we've talked, we're documenting it for our children and our grandchildren to see what my parents or grandparents they have.

Vit Muller:

In a way, killing two birds with one stone.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah, absolutely.

Vit Muller:

Yeah.

Vit Muller:

I love it.

Vit Muller:

So what type, what type of videos can people expect when they get on your channel?

Simon Fowler:

we do a variety of videos, actually.

Simon Fowler:

most of our videos, we do a weekly video which is really about our life where we are, the problems, the issues, the maintenance, the shopping

Simon Fowler:

And it just goes through chronologically through starting our adventure.

Simon Fowler:

In Croatia, moving on to more Grenache Montenegro, maybe Greece, Italy, Spain, Gibraltar into the Atlantic and crossing the oceans and all around the Caribbean

Simon Fowler:

So we tell you all sorts of things that we've learned from living on the boat how to actually repair, fix, maintain things.

Simon Fowler:

And in addition to that for our Patreons they get another program.

Simon Fowler:

which is a kind of behind the scenes program and where we tell them a little bit more about what's actually going on behind the scenes.

Simon Fowler:

So we actually produce three programs a week which in terms of preparing the programs is probably around about four, four days work for us.

Simon Fowler:

So, yeah,

Simon Fowler:

it's a lot of work.

Vit Muller:

You gotta record, You got to edit, you got to publish it.

Vit Muller:

You got to promote it.

Vit Muller:

social media, all that type of stuff.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah, exactly.

Simon Fowler:

Absolutely.

Simon Fowler:

Yes.

Simon Fowler:

Quite interesting, really for us because I was never really into social media at all.

Simon Fowler:

In fact, I didn't even go on Facebook until we got till about where we were on holiday, getting married and Carla said you really ought to be on Facebook.

Simon Fowler:

So I said, okay, I'll go on Facebook.

Simon Fowler:

But here's one thing posting your thing on social media and putting some pictures up of the kids who are happy party or something like that.

Simon Fowler:

But when you actually start to try and use social media to promote, it goes away a lot more complicated.

Simon Fowler:

I had a big to, to take off.

Simon Fowler:

It's been fascinating.

Simon Fowler:

It's been interesting.

Simon Fowler:

we've learned an awful lot.

Simon Fowler:

Absolutely love it.

Simon Fowler:

I just love, love to do that.

Simon Fowler:

She's a corporate guru on social media.

Vit Muller:

And in a way, it kind of sucks you in, right.

Vit Muller:

Once you start getting into the whole online stuff, you started creating content.

Vit Muller:

The first thing you might start YouTube, and then you go a traditional social media channels, but then you start taking it further as you guys have a website as well.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

We have a work site, man, and we both have blogs and it's quite interesting really because.

Simon Fowler:

I normally write a local bag to four, five days a week, but then you're kind of chasing the numbers with your blog on how many people you've

Simon Fowler:

I've, I've actually reached 200,000 people have read my stories or, or 60,000 people have read it on around the world on one particular day.

Simon Fowler:

And then you get the feedback coming in, which yeah.

Simon Fowler:

You get some nasty feedback, but on the whole, most of it.

Simon Fowler:

Is extremely positive and you just learn to deal with that over a period of time and then you just ignore it.

Simon Fowler:

And it's that kind of, you know, it's constantly chasing you and you get to sort of bite for it.

Carla Fowler:

Healthy foods blog which I show with pictures and I blog about all the food we have on boat, we are on the low Carb Mediterranean diets, a very strict diet.

Vit Muller:

Okay.

Vit Muller:

Tell me about that.

Vit Muller:

I'm interested to know what is your diet like?

Carla Fowler:

It's basically a plant-based foods with a lot of fish because we catch a lot of fish on boats or used to not here in Portugal.

Carla Fowler:

so we chicken too.

Carla Fowler:

We don't eat any red meat, but it's basically 80% of the plate is vegetables.

Carla Fowler:

we first summer or some fish.

Carla Fowler:

Yeah.

Carla Fowler:

So

Simon Fowler:

it's what I, I was w when Carter and I met I didn't eat red meat then.

Simon Fowler:

So, it was it's, it's, it's been fine for me, you know, isn't, it's not because Carla does it.

Simon Fowler:

I do it, but I never ate red meat anyway.

Simon Fowler:

So, it's, it's worked out very well.

Simon Fowler:

It wasn't it.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

And it Carla has amazing recipe is life.

Simon Fowler:

For example dessert recipes like, banana ice cream and healthy chocolate Brown is they're amazing

Carla Fowler:

made me from black beans.

Carla Fowler:

So it doesn't have any flour because I tried to replace all the flour with healthy flour

Vit Muller:

like a tapioca or things

Carla Fowler:

like that.

Carla Fowler:

I used up yoga too, which is cassava flour, right?

Carla Fowler:

Yeah.

Carla Fowler:

I use that one too, but I normally try to use, like, if it's for pastors, I use the P passes link, two passes or 90 then led to flowers or just, I go for the natural ingredients.

Carla Fowler:

I don't, I try not to use, obviously some recipes doesn't allow us to use the whole.

Carla Fowler:

healthy stuff, but I try to replace all the sugars with healthy alternatives

Carla Fowler:

She's looking good.

Carla Fowler:

Isn't she for twenty?

Vit Muller:

You're a both looking very healthy.

Vit Muller:

I was going to ask you that this, this, this diet that you're on or the way of, you know, cooking these healthy meals what is the main reason?

Vit Muller:

Is it.

Vit Muller:

For health or is it because you enjoy how it tastes or is there ethical reasons behind not eating?

Simon Fowler:

I don't think there's an ethical reason.

Carla Fowler:

We are not vegetarians, vegans or anything like that.

Carla Fowler:

These just to be healthy, it's just really to be, to be healthier.

Carla Fowler:

I want to live for another 40 years

Simon Fowler:

and also having gone to this diet, if you go first.

Simon Fowler:

If you say, for example, go to a restaurant and you have a lasagna or something like that afterwards, you feel so bloated so heavy

Simon Fowler:

Whereas as you are eating more and more plant based stuff and less sugar, sometimes you eat a cake or something and you go, wow, the sugar in this or that

Simon Fowler:

We're used to that as, as humans, that's our diet.

Simon Fowler:

And actually when you step back and go back to a, sort of a more plant based, healthy, healthy diet with less so blood sugar and then you have something it's quite incredible.

Simon Fowler:

It always surprises me all the rubbish.

Simon Fowler:

Should everybody else eats?

Carla Fowler:

Yeah.

Carla Fowler:

And if we go on the holiday, like we, now we are about to go to London in two weeks so we are gonna be a bit out of our normal and then we'll be fine.

Carla Fowler:

That's okay.

Carla Fowler:

But we try to choose the healthier choices on the menus, but it will go off for a bit.

Carla Fowler:

That's okay.

Carla Fowler:

Because a week later we will come back to our normal diet.

Vit Muller:

Absolutely.

Vit Muller:

Now at the moment with the COVID are you allowed to travel or are you in Portugal are stuck, stuck there because you can't travel.

Simon Fowler:

We can travel.

Simon Fowler:

there are some restrictions.

Simon Fowler:

So for example we're going to go to London and stay with Carla's daughters.

Simon Fowler:

But when we get there, we have to be in quarantine.

Simon Fowler:

So we don't actually do have to go act in the bike.

Simon Fowler:

Really.

Simon Fowler:

I think we can go for exercise, but that's it.

Simon Fowler:

but you have to do that for two weeks, but where are you going to be there for eight, nine days.

Simon Fowler:

Anyway, so then we'll come back.

Simon Fowler:

When we come back to Portugal, there's.

Simon Fowler:

There's no restrictions coming back into Portugal.

Simon Fowler:

here there's a curfew good for you

Carla Fowler:

with night between 11 and 5:00 AM.

Carla Fowler:

And the, on the high risks, the counties that you can't travel during the weekend

Simon Fowler:

as well.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah, well, actually it's pretty good.

Simon Fowler:

It's pretty good

Carla Fowler:

for you.

Carla Fowler:

You have to wear masks on the streets and everywhere.

Carla Fowler:

Yeah.

Carla Fowler:

That's one of the things, but apart from that, yeah, yeah.

Carla Fowler:

Disinfect your hands as much as possible.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

It's pretty, it's pretty relaxed.

Simon Fowler:

Really to be honest in the UK.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Vit Muller:

Great.

Vit Muller:

Great.

Vit Muller:

Now let's talk about lifestyle.

Vit Muller:

Now, if you were to compare, you know, your life up until before you decided to, jump on the boat, what are some of the things that you've, you've experienced been different,

Carla Fowler:

The freedom.

Carla Fowler:

This is just the life we have is just so much more freedom than you used to.

Carla Fowler:

Isn't it, the leave outside the exercise, the he's just, it's just so good.

Simon Fowler:

Isn't it.

Simon Fowler:

And, and, and going to the most stunning places is, is, is incredible because okay.

Simon Fowler:

A lot of people think that this is one big, long holiday.

Simon Fowler:

Well, for some people, it probably is.

Simon Fowler:

but for us, it isn't because we work quite a lot, but you're still traveling around and you're going to the most.

Simon Fowler:

Dunning places and going to places for example, in the Caribbean islands that you might go by aircraft and stay in a hotel, but when you go by boat, it is completely different.

Simon Fowler:

You really get under the covers of the Island and get inside it and meet the people and the organization there.

Simon Fowler:

And you see it from a different perspective outside looking in, we interact

Carla Fowler:

with people much more than if you go on a holiday on this islands, because we have to go.

Carla Fowler:

Mean to buy food, to buy gas, to buy anything we need for the boat.

Carla Fowler:

So we interact with them much more than you just go on a holiday for

Simon Fowler:

somebody sitting there on the anchor, looking at the shore and the beaches is a completely different perspective to sit in on the sun bed and looking out at the yachts.

Vit Muller:

I can imagine knowing that you're on your own board, you're not on at some hotel.

Vit Muller:

It's.

Vit Muller:

I

Simon Fowler:

think there was another thing we used to be quite sociable and we had an awful lot of friends and we'd probably see we'd have dinner or drinks or something.

Simon Fowler:

We with two lots of friends a week, for example.

Simon Fowler:

And that was one thing that concerned us.

Simon Fowler:

there was one thing that concerned us was that we'd missed that interaction with other people, but actually.

Simon Fowler:

In the the boating world.

Simon Fowler:

It is so easy to meet other people.

Simon Fowler:

I mean, you just simply, I mean, we're British, so, we have a red flag at the back with a union jack on and you can just go along to another boat, knock on the

Simon Fowler:

And that sort of thing.

Simon Fowler:

And then all of a sudden you know, there's friends you make, and then we kind of follow them all around the world on their journeys.

Simon Fowler:

And then you meet them in the next port and things like that.

Simon Fowler:

So there's a real community going on throughout all the different nations.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah, yeah.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

We've been in this Marina for a couple of weeks now and you know, we could socialize every night.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

You know, if we wanted to, it is that many people here who we have to say now, we're not going anywhere.

Vit Muller:

So a lot of people live in on the boat and the Marina where you're at at the moment.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

Tripping is right about to 20 or 30 couples Navy

Simon Fowler:

all over Europe.

Simon Fowler:

And we're not in the Caribbean and even, so we're getting, we're still in shorts and t-shirt shorts and t-shirt.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Vit Muller:

Now, when he traveled to places, when you decide to to sail somewhere, do you have a particular system or do you kind of just

Carla Fowler:

we have, we have

Simon Fowler:

to plan a little bit.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

There is a bit of planning in it.

Simon Fowler:

If you're.

Simon Fowler:

If you're going, for example, across the Atlantic.

Simon Fowler:

so you're going from knee the Europe to the Caribbean.

Simon Fowler:

Then you really got to put up one another planning in that you can't go 52 weeks of the year.

Simon Fowler:

You have to go at the right time of year, which really is a sort of roundabout three month window.

Simon Fowler:

we ran into back December, January, February time for ideal conditions because it's at least the minimum you can do is I kind of two weeks at sea.

Simon Fowler:

and it could be three weeks at see quite easily.

Simon Fowler:

So you, you need to be out there at the right time of year because you want the best way that you can possibly get.

Simon Fowler:

If you just go between islands in the Caribbean.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

You can pretty well just sorta go, Oh, should we go to becuae today or something?

Simon Fowler:

You know, because the wind is pretty constant.

Simon Fowler:

most of the time in the sailing season of course comes from the same direction, but you do need to do a bit of research.

Simon Fowler:

You, you need to know where you're going to make landfall.

Simon Fowler:

And what the Harbor or the Marine , what the anchorages are going to be like.

Simon Fowler:

And we have a set of pilot book which you collect, which gives you all that sort of information and there's websites, website, Facebook groups, and things which help you along.

Simon Fowler:

So you do have to kind of get.

Simon Fowler:

Into it a little bit.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

It's not just a matter of pointing that out.

Carla Fowler:

Than you have to plan food.

Carla Fowler:

If you're going to cross the Atlantic, you need a lot of plenty for the food in water.

Carla Fowler:

if you go to the Caribbean, you need, you still need a lot of plenty with food because it's not everywhere that you find everything you want to.

Carla Fowler:

So you always have to have a big.

Carla Fowler:

Stock up on the boat

Simon Fowler:

and compare with the prices here in New York food wise and booze wise, the Caribbean just average.

Simon Fowler:

So expensive.

Simon Fowler:

Yes.

Simon Fowler:

I mean, it's like three times as much as it is here.

Simon Fowler:

Visit.

Simon Fowler:

I didn't know that.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

A couple of examples.

Carla Fowler:

If you buy a loaf of bread in the Caribbean and it's going to be between five and $7 here, you pay

Simon Fowler:

50 cents.

Simon Fowler:

It's not in all the islands because the French islands do tend to be cheaper.

Simon Fowler:

But certainly a lot of them low for break would be five.

Simon Fowler:

Domino's and bananas can be so much more expensive, which is incredible.

Simon Fowler:

Milk

Carla Fowler:

is five, $5.

Carla Fowler:

He's about 50 P

Simon Fowler:

a liter.

Vit Muller:

Is that because it's, it's on an Island.

Vit Muller:

So it's more, it's a bit more

Simon Fowler:

scarce.

Simon Fowler:

I, I think a lot of it is actually a tax on the import to the islands because a lot of these islands, they don't have a sophisticated tax policy.

Simon Fowler:

They just.

Simon Fowler:

Tax things as they arrive.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Vit Muller:

Okay.

Vit Muller:

They don't really have an industry other than the tourism.

Vit Muller:

And so they rely a lot on, on things like that.

Vit Muller:

And

Simon Fowler:

we kind of think that the Caribbean is just the Caribbean, but every items is a separate Island pretty well.

Simon Fowler:

And they all have their little rules and regulations and they also have a different culture on many of the islands.

Simon Fowler:

I mean, if you take, for example the Dutch are limbs of a Rubicon there and Curacao they're very, very different in their culture.

Simon Fowler:

And The way they built out infrastructure and things like that.

Simon Fowler:

All the islands are different.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Vit Muller:

Now, is it safe?

Vit Muller:

Have you ever been to an unsafe situation?

Carla Fowler:

We had yeah.

Carla Fowler:

It's not safe everywhere.

Simon Fowler:

No.

Simon Fowler:

I mean, at the when we make

Carla Fowler:

The pirates of the caribbean are real.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

They really are real.

Simon Fowler:

we had some friends on a boat called a CRM.

Simon Fowler:

So we did an interview with them.

Simon Fowler:

It's one of our programs and they got set up on by pirates in Panama.

Simon Fowler:

And they absolutely ripped the boat apart and they had governors of Knights and Tempted rape and all sorts of things.

Simon Fowler:

So there are areas that you do need to be careful.

Simon Fowler:

There are quite well documented.

Simon Fowler:

there's all sorts of things on Facebook that comes up if there is a pirate attack on a boat and also you do need to take some precautions.

Simon Fowler:

It's not everywhere.

Simon Fowler:

certainly.

Carla Fowler:

Some parents areas we had to prepare the boat for the pirates.

Vit Muller:

Okay.

Vit Muller:

What does that, what does that mean?

Vit Muller:

What are you when you say prepare the boat?

Simon Fowler:

We sat down and analyzed what we thought we needed to do to make ourselves safer.

Simon Fowler:

And our conclusion was to, we had to try and stop them getting on the boat.

Carla Fowler:

Once they're on the boat there is nothing you can do, let them have whatever, but we have to stop them getting on to the boat.

Simon Fowler:

We're a British boat so we can't carry firearms under British law, for example.

Simon Fowler:

No.

Simon Fowler:

No.

Simon Fowler:

Okay.

Simon Fowler:

so same thing in, in the UK home guns are illegal, for example, and you kind of have shotguns and things, but you have to be so, and you have to have licenses and all sorts of things.

Simon Fowler:

So anyway, so, we we're, we, we, we can't really have.

Simon Fowler:

Any firearms on board.

Simon Fowler:

Also, when you go to countries, you have to declare them and you have to have the main and life gets a little bit more complicated.

Simon Fowler:

So what did we do to prepare the boat?

Simon Fowler:

Well, we had smarter, yeah.

Simon Fowler:

Which lines that we could start off the back of the boat, which we would wreck behind us so that that will keep them away from the back of the boat because they would

Simon Fowler:

we had.

Carla Fowler:

with glass broken glass on the scoops on the

Simon Fowler:

boat.

Simon Fowler:

So if they jumped on the boat, the chances are they'll be barefoot and they'll cut their feet and they'll scream.

Simon Fowler:

And we also had electric fence that we put around the boat.

Simon Fowler:

So if they come and grab hold of the rails on the boat, the crime on, they would get a bit of a belt.

Simon Fowler:

we talked about between us using fire extinguishers and things like that as a weapon.

Simon Fowler:

And flares.

Simon Fowler:

And we talked about how we would behave if we were going to get attacked by pirates, assuming that we see them coming.

Simon Fowler:

This is

Carla Fowler:

if it's at night in the Anchorage, we have a alarm system for sensors, so on a boat.

Carla Fowler:

So we would know if someone comes on the boat.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

So the things that you can do make you feel more in your part, but if they get on the boat, you, you really do.

Simon Fowler:

You just got to kind of let them do whatever they get to do.

Vit Muller:

That's the key message here now from, from the community, from what you're seeing, from what people share bodies attack, what is more likely, is it that it happens at

Simon Fowler:

It's a bit of both, isn't it really?

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

Our friends got to attack to in, in Anchorage, in Panama.

Simon Fowler:

in fact, they were in a small Bay and they were anchored about.

Carla Fowler:

We know where they are.

Simon Fowler:

They would rank it just off a police station actually.

Simon Fowler:

they.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

And then I know the guy we were speaking to, he got attacked between Grenada and Trinidad and consequently there's a lot of boats go down to Trinidad in kind of in

Simon Fowler:

And so the local boatyards down there started organizing for tennis and they would send a boat up and then like they would get turned to yachts to go down with them.

Simon Fowler:

So the community started to work against the situation.

Simon Fowler:

we actually did a run from Grenada to Bonaire.

Simon Fowler:

which is down the Venezuelan coast.

Simon Fowler:

And we were at about 150 nautical miles off the coast of Venezuela.

Simon Fowler:

and that was deemed to be safe.

Simon Fowler:

So if you were going to go slightly further, ensure, say 50 miles or something, then

Carla Fowler:

They are more likely for them to come to you because they will have

Simon Fowler:

enough fuel to get there and go back.

Vit Muller:

These pirates what do they look like?

Vit Muller:

They got little boats or like just more.

Simon Fowler:

That's what I said to our friends on Seatrund.

Simon Fowler:

I said you know, we've all heard of parts of the Caribbean, but did they look like pirates?

Simon Fowler:

You know?

Simon Fowler:

And they said, no, they just like normal people.

Simon Fowler:

They were quite muscular people.

Simon Fowler:

they were wearing jeans and t-shirts.

Simon Fowler:

And what happened with them was that two guys swim out to the boat and then.

Simon Fowler:

they sort of hit behind the companion way that goes downstairs.

Simon Fowler:

It was dark and then another boat came up and this other motorboat came up.

Simon Fowler:

Barrier heard it came upstairs and they grabbed him and then forced him back down side inside.

Simon Fowler:

So they had already sort of planned it.

Simon Fowler:

There was six of them on the boat, so you're not really going to do anything against six people.

Simon Fowler:

And they literally just told the whole better part didn't they looking for?

Simon Fowler:

drugs or they were very Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

They were very drugged on that.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Vit Muller:

Okay.

Vit Muller:

That aside obviously there's pros and cons like in anything in life.

Vit Muller:

So this will be the one thing to be, to be aware of for anybody listening.

Vit Muller:

well, let's go back to on the positive note, this show is all about inspiring success and you found success in living this new lifestyle.

Vit Muller:

you've got amazing YouTube channel.

Vit Muller:

You're sharing this experience that you live with people to, to help inspire them.

Vit Muller:

Before we started this interview, you also mentioned there's another way, how you make money.

Vit Muller:

that is trips, right?

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

What we do is we offer what we call a liveaboard experience.

Simon Fowler:

So it's a six days you come and stay on the boat as a couple and you actually live like we do.

Simon Fowler:

So it's not like you're going on a charter boat for a charter a holiday.

Simon Fowler:

You're actually learning.

Simon Fowler:

everything that's involved in living this actual lifestyle.

Simon Fowler:

So we will do all the dirty things.

Simon Fowler:

Like if the toilet breaks up, we have to repair the toilet to her.

Simon Fowler:

If we need to make water, we make water.

Simon Fowler:

if we have to change the propane bottles, we do that when we show you all the things that go into it, as well as some of the nice things.

Simon Fowler:

For example, like having sundowners on the beach or a beach barbecue.

Simon Fowler:

and you learn basically what it is like underneath the covers to actually live on a

Carla Fowler:

boat before you buy such an expensive boat.

Carla Fowler:

So it was just going to life on a week like this, and then you experienced, and then, you know, if you're going to like it, if you're not going to like it,

Carla Fowler:

So it is a good option for people.

Vit Muller:

There's definitely a good option too, to do before.

Vit Muller:

Like you said before, you decide to sell the house and go all in and buy the boat.

Vit Muller:

So

Simon Fowler:

these.

Simon Fowler:

Sorry, it's an opportunity for them to talk to people who are living this lifestyle and learning about checking into a different countries and islands and all these sorts of things that go into it.

Vit Muller:

And all the, yeah.

Vit Muller:

All the little, little things that you might not even consider.

Vit Muller:

Like you said, every country has got their own little quirks that you need to abide by different laws, different things.

Vit Muller:

How long does these trips typically last, you mentioned a week.

Vit Muller:

Is that always awake or do you have a

Vit Muller:

It's normally 6 days?

Simon Fowler:

so six nights on the boat.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Vit Muller:

And how does that look like people fly somewhere.

Vit Muller:

They meet you at a particular location and they have to transport to you.

Vit Muller:

Well, we've had people come out to the Caribbean and then they just get a taxi too, wherever we are.

Vit Muller:

We know.

Carla Fowler:

It's here in Portugal, they just go, the airport is just half an hour away from us.

Carla Fowler:

So it's easy to get a Uber.

Simon Fowler:

Then we normally position ourselves really relatively close to an airport.

Simon Fowler:

It's not like we're having people every week.

Simon Fowler:

It's, couldn't be a.

Simon Fowler:

Every three weeks or something like that.

Simon Fowler:

So, and

Carla Fowler:

we normally have just one couple on parts.

Carla Fowler:

So the, all the attention is focused on that couple or what they need, what are they needs, what they want to learn.

Carla Fowler:

So we are very flexible on that.

Vit Muller:

Right?

Vit Muller:

So couples, no, no groups.

Vit Muller:

Okay.

Vit Muller:

I like it.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

Unfortunately, no kids either.

Vit Muller:

That's fair enough.

Carla Fowler:

The boat is not prepared for kids.

Vit Muller:

Yeah, that's fair enough.

Vit Muller:

That's fair enough.

Vit Muller:

Okay.

Vit Muller:

I like it.

Vit Muller:

I like it.

Vit Muller:

This is, this is great.

Vit Muller:

So for anybody listening right now I think we've got a very appealing, appealing offer here.

Vit Muller:

we've been able to secure you guys for, for the listeners and that is if you want to do a trip with Carla and and Simon.

Vit Muller:

Then you can go onto their website, Sailing Ocean Fox, I assume at the moment, you're not doing the trips because of the COVID, but you're going to be resuming those soon.

Vit Muller:

Right?

Simon Fowler:

We are doing the trips for people that can travel here because there's a lot of people that can actually traveled to coach and may not be able to do that from

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Vit Muller:

So it's already opened for Europeans.

Vit Muller:

Excellent.

Vit Muller:

All right.

Vit Muller:

Excellent.

Vit Muller:

So if people visit your website, which is sailingoceanfox.com, that's where people can go and book a week with you.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

just send us an email to sailingoceanfox@gmail.com.

Vit Muller:

Excellent.

Vit Muller:

And you mentioned there's a special offer for our listeners.

Vit Muller:

What is that?

Simon Fowler:

Yes, we can offer 10% discount on the week.

Simon Fowler:

Subject to them being referred by you.

Vit Muller:

Excellent.

Vit Muller:

So what we're going to do just guys, if you're listening to this and you seriously considering this, this is very appealing offer to experience that wig with Simon and Carla Molly, do you

Vit Muller:

your list just mentioned to Simon or Carla that you were coming from the podcast that you are listener and they look after you.

Vit Muller:

Excellent.

Vit Muller:

Now What, what is the typical cost for a trip like that?

Vit Muller:

Give me a range so people can get an ideal.

Carla Fowler:

It's about $5,000 for a week for the couple.

Vit Muller:

For a couple or a person?

Carla Fowler:

For a couple yeah.

Carla Fowler:

Yes.

Vit Muller:

Excellent.

Vit Muller:

Excellent.

Vit Muller:

Yeah.

Vit Muller:

Now this is great.

Vit Muller:

So basically, so you've got YouTube channel.

Vit Muller:

You've got how many subscribers.

Carla Fowler:

Around 13,000,

Vit Muller:

13,000.

Vit Muller:

So that's making enough money to pay for the fuel that helps.

Vit Muller:

Then you've got, then you've got then you've got Patreon for those of you guys listening to Patreon is a website that helps content creators

Simon Fowler:

Excellent experience.

Simon Fowler:

And, and also I write some articles for magazines and getting sort of small income from that.

Simon Fowler:

So that's basically how we support ourselves.

Vit Muller:

So all that together is enough to pay for food pay for it's not too.

Vit Muller:

Get rich, I guess, but it's enough to

Simon Fowler:

certainly not to get rich, but it means it'd be, we eat out about once a week and you know, we, we survive.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Vit Muller:

Nice.

Vit Muller:

No, that's excellent.

Vit Muller:

Now the reason I just wanted to unpack that is again, somebody might be listening and then they not only then want to go for it for, for one way with you, but

Vit Muller:

And another couple on an episode prior, a couple, couple of episodes back.

Vit Muller:

So was like, there is a bit of a business model that is, that is similar to two people who live live this lifestyle that is sort of the YouTube it's it's I think that's great.

Vit Muller:

Medium.

Vit Muller:

You get to share it, you get to showcase what people do.

Vit Muller:

during the trips Patreon is there anything else that, that you've got planned or that you think could be another avenue.

Vit Muller:

On

Simon Fowler:

w we haven't personally, but we meet a lot of people who through various things do actually work while they're cruising.

Simon Fowler:

for example, we've met a PR lady that does PR for other people from her boat.

Simon Fowler:

we've met a person who does computer programming.

Simon Fowler:

somebody else who does marketing?

Simon Fowler:

it, yeah, it marketing somebody else who does social media and we even met an investor that was playing on the stock exchange and directors of companies.

Simon Fowler:

some friends of ours.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

from Texas he he's got a haulage company in the States and he's got it all set up.

Simon Fowler:

So he works on lifts and works on his boat.

Simon Fowler:

And he tells his fellow directors what to do.

Simon Fowler:

So, there are a lot of opportunities.

Simon Fowler:

you tend to need a very good internet connection, obviously.

Simon Fowler:

and that does get more difficult when you're in a more remote places.

Simon Fowler:

Put it that way.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah, well.

Vit Muller:

Now tell me.

Vit Muller:

So it sounds like you're doing quite a lot of work during the day.

Vit Muller:

You mentioned four days out of the week, you are working?

Vit Muller:

Does that leave you any time to actually enjoy this lifestyle?

Vit Muller:

Like to just hang out, do nothing, maybe give us an example of your day.

Vit Muller:

How does your regular working day look like?

Simon Fowler:

Well, working day starts at six in the morning with a cup of coffee and then we both do our blogs and post them.

Simon Fowler:

So that's then gone on to a bad seven or something else.

Simon Fowler:

We have to do a mixture of Going out and shooting a video clips and doing things like

Carla Fowler:

that.

Carla Fowler:

To have footage, to have, to have footage about our life.

Carla Fowler:

We need to live the life.

Vit Muller:

You're blogging in a way it's like a vloggin style.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

and, and then no, no is actually the same, to be honest.

Simon Fowler:

And then also we'd like to be, it's just an exercise.

Simon Fowler:

We try and walk five miles every day to build in some exercise.

Simon Fowler:

So, it's very varied.

Simon Fowler:

It, it normally rotates around the weather.

Simon Fowler:

if we're somewhere beautiful, then we try to be outside as much as possible.

Simon Fowler:

if it's wet and windy, then we tend to be inside and you know, firing on all cylinders.

Simon Fowler:

doing the videos of

Carla Fowler:

editing work.

Carla Fowler:

Yes.

Carla Fowler:

Yeah.

Carla Fowler:

Yeah.

Carla Fowler:

Here we are a bit because it's winter time.

Carla Fowler:

So we are a bit exposed to the wind at the moment.

Carla Fowler:

So we tend to go inland and visit museums and you know,

Simon Fowler:

whatever they have to offer.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Vit Muller:

Excellent.

Vit Muller:

Yeah.

Vit Muller:

Well, I mean, that's, that's, that's what it's all about.

Vit Muller:

Right?

Vit Muller:

You want to explore the cultures Explorer.

Vit Muller:

and I, I like what you said, like the ability to travel anywhere you want.

Vit Muller:

And instead of going to like a commercial resort, you get to go to the villages, you get to speak to the locals, you get to get to know their little traditional meals that.

Vit Muller:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Simon Fowler:

And it's just, when you want to buy something, you know, you are somebody in one shot where to get it from, and then they send you to another and it's not.

Carla Fowler:

And then the Kelly was story, a local story.

Carla Fowler:

Then you start getting into the community.

Simon Fowler:

Oh, we found it quite interesting.

Simon Fowler:

Like, you could be sort of stood at the bus stop and just people come along in their car and give you a lift, you know, and things like that.

Simon Fowler:

It's it is actually very friendly.

Simon Fowler:

I wouldn't want to put anybody off talking about pirates, but there, but on the whole everybody is very friendly to we've come across and this is absolutely a wonderful lifestyle.

Simon Fowler:

It is.

Simon Fowler:

If you think you might think, Oh, that would be rather nice.

Simon Fowler:

I can sit on the boat and have a gin and tonic and really enjoy it when you get here and doing it.

Simon Fowler:

He's absolutely.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah.

Vit Muller:

Now what would be the bare minimum?

Vit Muller:

In terms of how much did they should be looking to save up?

Vit Muller:

so like what would be the bare minimum?

Simon Fowler:

There's an answer to that, to be honest, because it depends on people's lifestyle, but we see people on boats which have property costs of $USD 5,000.

Simon Fowler:

dollars for example, and then you get other people on a boat, which their boats cost them a million dollars.

Simon Fowler:

And everybody seems just everybody's has still has the same problems.

Simon Fowler:

they still have the issues over the wind, the weather, the tide when to do a cross in when to not crossing, it really doesn't matter how

Simon Fowler:

I mean, we try to work on around about a thousand dollars per month.

Simon Fowler:

Not including major maintenance on the boat and insurance.

Simon Fowler:

and we can live quite happily.

Carla Fowler:

But we know people that live with $200 and we know people that live in $5,000.

Carla Fowler:

So it depends on your lifestyle.

Carla Fowler:

How much do you have to live on it?

Carla Fowler:

How much do you work and you want, it depends.

Carla Fowler:

It's just like living in Landis.

Simon Fowler:

The same thing.

Simon Fowler:

Exactly.

Simon Fowler:

Exactly.

Simon Fowler:

So, I think it's affordable.

Vit Muller:

Like anything, you just get a set set, set your mind to it.

Vit Muller:

If you're, if you want to do it, you'll find a way.

Simon Fowler:

Yeah, exactly.

Simon Fowler:

Exactly.

Vit Muller:

Do you have a, on your blog?

Vit Muller:

Do you, do you cover anything like that?

Vit Muller:

Like any tips for beginners looking to venture into this?

Vit Muller:

Or is there any videos on your channel that people can watch?

Vit Muller:

That I can point them towards too?

Simon Fowler:

If you have a look at the well, there's quite a, not in yet main program, actually.

Simon Fowler:

We do talk about if you, if you follow the main program from the beginning, you'll see.

Simon Fowler:

Now that at the beginning, we were actually quite inexperienced and some of the problems we were having was really just inexperienced.

Simon Fowler:

And then by the time you get to a back program, 50, you would actually see that we're getting more confident about what we're doing.

Simon Fowler:

And then by the time we've crossed the Atlantic, for example it's a whole different ball game.

Simon Fowler:

Uh we're we're quite on top of it.

Simon Fowler:

So I think that's an interesting thing to follow.

Simon Fowler:

If you want to do a good binge-watch right.

Simon Fowler:

And you can learn a lot from the programs.

Simon Fowler:

How to programs, which are is all about things like how to rank anchoring tips and tricks, how to put the main, sail up and put reefs in and things like that.

Simon Fowler:

So if you're kind of getting into this, there's a lot of information there that could be.

Vit Muller:

And that's all on the public side, on the youTube channel?

Vit Muller:

Excellent.

Vit Muller:

Simon, Kayla.

Vit Muller:

It's been a pleasure to have you on the show today.

Vit Muller:

you've really sort of gave us good insights into, into what people can expect.

Vit Muller:

And this is very exciting.

Vit Muller:

So I'm going to make sure then I'm going to share it all in the show notes, any extra links that you have, feel free to send me the over and I'll put it in there.

Vit Muller:

I'll put your YouTube channel in there.

Vit Muller:

So for my listeners so they can jump in and, and, and get on those videos.

Vit Muller:

once again, thank you again for being on the show.

Vit Muller:

Appreciate you.

Vit Muller:

I wish you a safe, Farwell to next strip and look forward to hear more from you on your adventures.

Simon Fowler:

Thank you for having us.