The salient point of this podcast episode pertains to the exploration of which contemporary artists might possess the capability to craft a quintessential summer jam that resonates across generational divides. We delve into the significance of musical nostalgia, particularly as it relates to the impending Memorial Day weekend, a time traditionally associated with cookouts and family gatherings. In this context, we reflect on the enduring impact of classic summer anthems and ponder the current musical landscape, questioning whether any modern artists can achieve the universal appeal exhibited by past legends. Our discourse further encompasses the evolution of musical themes and the cultural implications of contemporary lyrics, ultimately contemplating what the future holds for the next generation of music aficionados. We invite listeners to engage with us as we dissect these topics and share our insights.

Takeaways:

• The podcast discusses the origins and significance of Memorial Day, emphasizing its role in honoring military personnel who have died in service.
• A notable theme of the episode is the evolution of summer jams and who among contemporary artists could recreate such classics today.
• The speakers reflect on their personal experiences with family gatherings, emphasizing the importance of familial bonds and shared history.
• The conversation highlights the changing landscape of music, questioning whether modern songs will resonate with future generations as past hits have.
• Listeners are encouraged to consider how music from their youth will be perceived by younger generations, particularly in relation to emotional resonance.
• The episode concludes with a call to appreciate family, emphasizing that love and support from loved ones remain constant despite life changes.

The following program is rated mal.

It contains strong language and is intended.

Only for mature audiences.

The show that gives you everything and nothing at all, everywhere you don't want to be.

It's Reuben, Mo B.

And on the ones and twos, kg,.

The five Minute warning.

Welcome, everybody, to a brand new episode of Five Minute Warner.

Of course, always is your man Reuben in the house tonight?

And of course, always with me is my man Mo B.

What's going on, man?

Hey, man.

It's a little dark over there, bro.

Kind of scared me a little bit,.

You know, trying to keep a low profile, man.

That's what we're doing.

Gosh, you got you.

All right, so let's go ahead and get into it like.

So once again, it is Memorial Day weekend and you know, it's a federal holiday.

It's good stuff.

You know, they always observe it.

It's weird because normally it's a.

Well, it's the last Monday in May, but I've always thought because it's weird because the 31st is next Sunday.

I always, at first, for some reason I thought it was based on that.

Sunday, but clearly not based on the Monday.

Yeah, yeah.

So, you know, the reason for Memorial Day is to mourn and honor the military personnel who died while serving in the armed forces, whether in wars or just doing things, you know, that they do.

They called it Decoration Day back in the day.

So this has been going on for a very, very long time, is to decorate the grades of the failure of the fall of soldiers.

So, you know, after World War I, it was just for that and then they expanded it to everything.

So because it falls on at the end of a long three day weekend, because tomorrow is Memorial Day, it's just Memorial Day weekend.

A lot of people got it off, a lot of people don't.

You know, good, bad and different, depending on how you feel, is usually widely celebrated with parades and barbecues and outdoor travel, you know, so pretty much this is the on of Excuse me.

Tomorrow will be technically the unofficial start of backyard cookouts and hanging out with family and just more or less as a young kid, say, be it outside, right?

So today we usually, you know, on this show we talk about a lot of different things.

We love music, we all talk about music.

We talk about quite a bit.

We haven't talked about it in a minute.

And last year we actually did a show on the best cookout music, that sort of thing.

It was in the end of July.

Don't have the episode in front of me.

But hey, this gives you a reason to go back and watch our archives and listen to what it did.

And also, we actually put together a Spotify playlist for that as well.

So just put 5 minute warning in your search and you'll find it.

So this time we decided, hey, it's almost time, so let's talk about it.

But we decided to do it a different way.

All right, so what we're going to do today, we're going to talk about.

All right?

Of all the people who made those jams in the past that we all know and love, whether it be regular jams or summer jams or whatever, right?

Who of those people today?

Who are those people could make a summer jam that would be banging for today?

So I'm very interested in, you know, what we come up with.

But before we get into that, I definitely want to shout out JTD Creations.

You know, once again, they make our T shirts.

They do shirts, cups, the whole nine.

Hit them up on Facebook page for JTT Creations.

You know, holla at them if you need a.

You need shirts for your, for your family reunion and stuff like that.

They're good people.

They take care of business, they take care of us.

So with that being said, Moby, I mean, it's on you, man.

Like, who do you think could come out with a summer jam today and it would be dope.

You want my honest answer or do you want like the.

The joyful, hopeful answer?

Because I feel like you want a joyful, hopeful answer.

And give me both of them.

How about that?

Start with the one that your honest answer and then give me the joyful one, because I'm probably gonna like the joyful one better.

So just go ahead and hit me with a real first and then we'll think about what could have been.

Okay, so the honest answer is nobody, because we're not in it.

All those cookout classic songs that you have have something in common.

And that common thing is that, like, they were universal.

Universal fan bases where young and old people, like the fan base alike.

You can't name any artists right now that has that appeal.

The ones that did are dead.

Okay, so.

So truthfully, all of them are dead.

But I think the only.

Well, no, I'm just saying the ones, the ones that today still would have a pretty wide various base of a fan base ain't really relevant enough to make music that are still alive.

So, no, I don't think anybody.

Like, the only person that could.

And I guess that person technically has a cookout Jam at her disposal would be Beyonce.

She's probably that be when she.

When she remade the Frankie.

The.

The Maze and Frankie Beverly song.

Like, that's a cookout classic.

Okay, I'm here's ignorant Reuben here because part of the beehive before I let.

She remade that.

Yep.

Oh my God.

Yeah, she did.

And it was huge.

I'm.

I'm not a Beyonce follower.

So.

I mean, the only reason I even know about Lemonade is because God knows everybody.

That grandma and the kids.

Grandma down the street was talking about it.

Like, I didn't.

I don't think I realized she did it.

And if she did, it wasn't enough to really hit my radar to a point where I'm just like, okay, this is a jail, bro.

I. I don't know how you couldn't have heard it because it was.

It was his big and matter of fact now that's the only version of the song I ever hear played.

It was played last night at a concert I was at.

Like.

And it's the only version they play of it now, which really good, bad and different.

I mean, look, it's a.

Is it.

Is it better than Major Frankie Beverly's?

I mean, it's not even that.

It's not even that it's better.

It's.

It's an awesome tribute.

Like, she.

She.

She changed enough of it so it's her version, but it's.

It's still keeps true to the song.

Like.

No, man, it's.

It's.

It's a great.

It's a great song.

Okay.

I mean, I'll take your word for it.

I'm just.

Yeah.

I mean, I'm gonna.

I'm gonna play the ignorant card here because I'm not gonna say I haven't heard it.

I probably have heard it, but I probably.

I was probably either A, disgusted to semi had the nerve to remake that song or B. Oh, okay.

It's just.

Okay, that's probably my.

That was.

It was either A or B.

If it was a C, I completely ignored it.

So.

Yeah, I mean that.

That happens when you don't have women in your life.

If you heard it.

If you heard it and were complete.

Was completely disgusted by it, like you were just trying to be a hater because like, she.

She pays so much tribute to it that you just trying to be a hater if you.

If you do.

But now it's.

It's one thing if you're just like, oh man, I wish somebody wouldn't have touched it.

But if you're gonna do it.

You know, do it just.

And that's.

I feel like.

I feel like that's what she did.

And.

Well, and that's.

And that's probably what.

It probably was more that.

It's.

Because I do feel like there are some tracks that, like, never should be touched.

I don't need a remix.

I don't.

I don't need anybody else ever singing this.

Like, hey, no.

Like.

Like, honestly, it's.

If a thought process.

If a thought came into your head to remake this, it should be a hard, automatic, no or slap in the face, what the is wrong with you?

Like, that's how I feel about certain tracks.

Such as.

Like.

Like, even if it's your own track, I feel like.

Like, look, man, the best thing that Will Smith, the Fresh Prince, and Jazz Jeff never did was to remake Summertime.

Oh, my God.

It probably would have been so horrible.

It would just been like, they try too hard.

Because sometimes you gotta let some speak for itself, man.

That's.

And that's.

That's.

That's just like, movies.

Like, there's a reason why nobody's remade Jaws because you would not do well with it.

I don't care how much CGI you put in it.

But, yeah, that's beside the point.

So.

All right, Moby, so you're about to tell us you have not.

Tell us who you.

You.

First of all, you said you don't think anybody.

No, I don't.

I don't.

I don't think anybody right now could.

Make a summer jam.

Nope, not.

Not.

Not.

That would have the universal appeal that some of the.

The classic jams that you're thinking about would have.

Like I said, I think Beyonce might be the only person that can do it right now.

Okay, now, here's the thing.

That doesn't mean that that's necessarily.

But you asked about artists who've already done it, because the truth of the matter is, most of those.

Those cult classic songs, when they happen, it's like a fluid thing.

It just happens.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a particular artist, but, like, I don't think any of the artists that have those tracks have the appeal to make another track like that that would get the cookout going like that.

Okay, so with that being said before, I have you continue on the other one, if you're listening.

Hey, why don't you hit us up on the board?

Tell us what you think about the question.

Do you think anybody could come out with something?

And honestly, before Moby gets to the second part of his answer.

I do have a question for him, and y' all can answer it too.

What do you feel is the last summer jam that ever came out?

You know, so it's one of those things.

Like, I could be honest.

I have not really listened to terrestrial radio in quite a while.

So, you know, the only one I can remember is, like, unfortunately, the Pied Piper step in the name of love.

I mean, that's, like, the only one I can remember.

I know there's got to be something after that.

But I would say Beyonce before I let go version is more relevant, more recent, because that was a couple years ago.

Okay.

I mean, Soulja Boy, you're right.

That's.

That's been longer than that.

Wow.

I saw that video yesterday.

It aged me.

So you talking about, like, cookout.

All right, so just.

Just joints that you can play in the summer that everybody be dancing.

Because, like, let's be real, man.

You go first of all, that's a kind of.

You could really do that with almost any of the line dance songs that are out right now, because for some reason, people.

People love them.

Vic wobble.

Like, you can put that on.

Yeah, People gonna get busy.

Yeah.

Some people doing a wobble like they shouldn't and stuff.

But KO Says Sexy Red.

No, I'm playing, first of all.

No, I.

Man, I wouldn't know what to do if I heard a good Sexy Red.

Okay, here's the thing.

Have you.

Have you heard the song that has all the Shawn Michaels memes to it?

Yeah,.

Yeah, yeah.

And here's the thing.

I even saw a video with.

With Sean Michael.

It's probably Sexy Red together.

It's probably good.

Yeah, because, like, it's.

It's her song that's out, and they have, like, Shawn Michael's entrance.

Like, how he moves to the entrance.

It is chef.

So the visual is dope, but the song still sucks.

Look, man, the song is what it is, man.

Like, just.

Just because.

Just because I'm not necessarily into the music.

The base, the bass line and, like, the visuals, all I see now when I hear it.

So I don't.

Yeah, I don't even think about the song now.

I just think about Shawn Michaels coming out with the entrance.

It's perfect.

So you see the video, you hear the baseline.

If you could just take her words out that fire.

Her words are what they are, man.

And her words are actually relevant to, like, the hook is she want to hang.

He want to hang with a bad.

Like.

And.

And it's.

It's.

Trust me, man, when this show's over, I'm just gonna be like, hey, just pull the up, man, and just tell me you don't hit.

Have a little bit of joy at seeing this with Shawn Michaels, man,.

Selling people, selling your soul.

Just can't be worth this.

It just can't.

I mean, I guess that's what you got to do to get the young audience.

So.

It is what it is.

Even that.

It's just.

She's actually a wrestling fan.

No, I know that.

I'm just.

Yeah, trust me, I knew that.

It's got it.

I wish I didn't do that, but I knew that, and that's too much.

I know about her already.

Because.

If you're going to be a fan of a great wrestler, like, at least be a fan of that guy.

Yeah, yeah.

All the time.

Yeah.

And I know I'm biased because he's.

He's all.

He's my favorite.

I've never.

I've never hid the fact that he's my favorite.

Oh, he is definitely.

His Thief song is definitely top two without question.

And it's probably number one for the most part.

I mean, every once in a while, another song might sneak in there for, like, 10 minutes.

But yeah, man, his.

His joint is dope, and everybody, Once you hear it, once you hear the.

The women, man, everybody know who that is.

So, I mean, kbiako is agreeing with you, man.

He said the beat is crazy on that sexy red track and you're muted.

He's not lying.

He's not lying.

Every time I hear that drop, I'll be like, yo, that is fire, man.

Damn it.

I hate both of you.

Now I got to listen to that trash.

All right, so you told us that there's no one really alive who can make a new summer jam track.

I can't wait to tell you who I think.

But wishful thinking, you said.

You said you had a wishful thinking answer.

What would that be?

Wishful thinking answer is somebody who.

He's.

He.

He's made so many jams, but I don't know if any of them.

I don't know.

I swear to God, if you say the same dude I have, I'm gonna flip the out.

No, I'm just saying I don't know.

I don't know if he's made, like, a actual.

He's made a lot of summer jams, but I don't know if they're, like, cookout appropriate summer jams, but I feel like he's got the appeal where if he was like, you know what?

I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna make a, A cookout classic.

I think T. Pain could do it, man.

Oh, okay, okay.

I think T Pain could do it.

I agree.

That's because he has such a, he has fan base now.

Yeah.

At this point in time, like, I think T. Pain could pull it off.

I think he could too.

And I mean, the master of the Auto tune, the man did it better than Roger, man.

Like, what the hell?

And when Roger did everybody.

What the is that?

Now T Pain is like, hold my beer.

And he made that.

I mean, when you got Britney Spears doing auto tune, bro, you done done something.

So.

Yeah, man, I, I, it's hard not to agree with that movie.

It is hard not to agree with T Pay.

If T Pay made a summer jam today, that could be fine.

Because he don't come out with nothing.

That's not fire.

The thing is, he would just have to make it clean enough or at least it have to have a good radio edit where you could get away with playing at the cookout.

Look, man, as long as they don't drop a.

They splash you on the radio.

No, it's not about that.

But at the cookout, like, look, man, there's still some people that got respect at the cookout, and you, and you're not trying to play no busted wide open for the folks.

So, like, like I said, as long as it has a strong radio version where it's like, hey, it cleans up nicely.

Yeah.

Nah, man, that's.

That's a good, that's a good look.

Think about it.

Like, back that ass up can gets played at the cookout.

You know why?

Because it's back that thing up.

There's a rate, there's a radio version.

There is nothing that gets women out of seats.

It don't matter how old you.

I witnessed it last night too, man.

It was, it was beautiful.

It doesn't matter how old you are, how young you are, how big you are, how small you are.

It don't matter none of that, man.

Every woman wants to back that thing up.

When that song comes on, that might be the best summer classic song.

Oh, ever.

Hands down.

Like, when it play, it played.

My wife looked at me and she was like, you're right.

And I was just like, yeah.

Because I, you know, I've called it for years.

I said, it's the most unifying song ever created.

There has never been a more unifying song with women than that song.

I was.

You are 1% right.

I was In a concert hall that had women ranging from early 20s to 60.

That jump came on.

It was.

It was.

It was.

Every woman was on their feet moving.

Whether you wanted to see it or not, it was moving.

They.

They.

They didn't care.

They was just like, hey, this is about us.

So.

So, Moby Mocha Cowboys, like, where were you at last night, bro?

So I was at.

It's.

I was in D.C. and it was a concert by a group, Orchestra Noir.

They're a black orchestra, and they play.

They have tribute.

No.

No words.

Just with music.

All music.

That's pretty dope.

And the crowd pretty much sings most of the songs because you.

It's so.

All the songs are so identifiable.

And before they went.

Or.

No, no, it was in.

Okay.

That's all Warner.

Warner Theater in D.C. so they were playing, and they have, like, an intermission where, you know, DJ plays for a little while.

And before they went to intermission.

Before they went to intermission, you know, they did a whole bunch of 90s stuff at first.

And he was like, all right, before we go to intermission.

And everybody got.

I was just like, yo, this.

And they were playing with the instruments, too.

They were playing.

I was gonna say.

You're saying this is a black orchestra?

Yeah.

Okay.

That's crazy.

Yo, it's.

It's one of the dopest.

It's like a big HBCU party.

Because, I mean, like, a big HBCU part.

Like, think.

Think about every black halftime show with instruments and, like, magnified by a thousand.

Because they got strings.

They got all the instruments, and it's.

It.

It was awesome.

Yeah.

And dudes are missing out.

Like, look, look, I was there with my wife, but dudes are missing.

Look, let me not say dudes.

Let me.

Let me.

Let me be real genuine with you.

No, no, no, no, no.

Just hear me out.

Hear me out.

Oh, Jesus is missing.

No.

You're gonna say that.

I knew it.

Let me tell you why, man.

Because, like, look, I get it.

The fact that the thing said Orchestra Noir eliminated, like, so many from even thinking about going to something like this.

But I.

That was the purpose of.

I promise you, my guy.

It was like a ratio in there of, like, 25 women to every dude.

Oh, man.

You best believe it.

And it was just like, dog, like, y' all do it in and a A good.

A good group of them.

Guys that were there, that weren't there with the young lady were gay.

So they weren't even really competition for y'.

All.

I wasn't even saying that as a joke.

I'm just saying, like, the amount of straight men that were there without their significant other, there might have been six dudes in there that weren't there with their significant other and were straight.

So basically it was just a whole bunch of women shaking their ass, having the time of their life, drinking, sloppy drunk girls, like.

And dudes, like dudes would probably die to be in a room like this.

Thanks for inviting me.

Appreciate it.

The fact that it said orchestra was checked out, now I'm just like, man, y' all is missing.

Thanks for inviting me, man, because I would.

Look, man, I was on a date night, man.

What you talking about, man?

I mean, that's true.

Yeah.

Ain't about.

I'm not about.

I ain't about to be.

Nobody's third wheel held that.

I don't know how dudes can you do that.

But that's a.

That is a conversation for another day.

If anybody.

If anybody wants to go to a bomb ass.

Two and a half hours of just party.

If Orchestra Noir is going anywhere near you, man, highly recommended.

Good ass time.

I will go see them again tomorrow.

Did you find them or did your wife find them?

I found it.

How'd you find this?

By accident.

I saw a video of them.

I don't even know how I saw the video.

I saw the video of him, like, months, like a long time ago.

And I was like, man, that looked kind of dope.

So I just looked up and I'm like, oh, they're gonna be in dc.

Bet.

Got the tickets.

Hey, wife, we going out.

It's like the third time they've been in D.C. too.

So, like, hey, bet.

Nice.

Well, good stuff, man.

It's good to have a date night with your wife, you know, get out the house, dress up a little bit, you know, because you can't be going there and no.

And no Tim's and stuff, but.

Yeah, but it's an orchestra.

You ain't trying to do that.

That.

That's why.

That's why.

That's why you can't be there.

Because they gotta wear clothes and they.

Some don't wear clothes.

It wasn't really a dress code, man.

Like I said, man.

It was.

It was.

It was really like a HBCU homecoming, man, like I said.

So.

I'm not saying that weren't dudes There, but I'm saying most of the dudes were in the same category I was in.

They was there with a significant other.

Well, of course, yeah.

And.

And any focus that they had was geared towards the show or the person they were with.

And.

And you had to.

You had to see everything else with your peripherals.

You know what I'm saying?

You had.

You had to, like, you know, head on, swivel.

Yeah.

You had to do slide checking every once in a while.

Hey, what's up, babe?

Oh, like, cool.

Well, good stuff, man.

Well, I'm glad y' all had a good time.

I assume the wife had a good time as well.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Like I said, it was a dope show.

Good, good.

So, all right, so you said T pay.

So the guy I have, I don't think he's ever made a summer jam that I can remember that was any good.

He has made.

I guess he made a summer jam.

I personally like it, but it was cultivated.

Everybody hated that.

Like, the world hated it because they stupid.

But whatever.

Teach his own.

But he.

This guy has made many bangers in the past and he appeals to everybody.

Like, everybody.

And I think if he got with a producer, like, if he got with Tim and stuff, and Missy wrote some hot for him, bro, I think he could come out.

I think he could come out with a new album, but it is a reclamation project because it's been a minute since this dude came out with anything.

Go ahead, laugh.

But I. I think.

I think I feel confident in the statement.

I just think that he needs the right people around him and I think he can make a banger.

Simcy Hammer, man, I. I think MC Hammer can make a banger.

Especially now that, you know, a lot of people know who he is.

But, yo, man, I can take.

First of all, can I just say, and I've said before on this show, yo, shout out to Geico, those.

Whoever is their marketing department.

Awesome.

That Geico commercial minute is funny as and even looks like the still dance.

And it's just like.

I'm just saying, man.

Timbo on the beat, Missy with the legs.

I think.

I think they could create a banger for MC Hammer.

I ain't saying to bring his career all the way back.

Just saying one track for the summer.

I mean, look, man, we can say what we want, but those of us who remember, hey, man, if you can remember, you were too legit to quit.

And Lord knows everybody sung that.

And that might have been one of the most basic songs ever.

And that five million dollar video was phenomenal.

So there it is.

Moby, you're thinking, I don't know if you're thinking good stuff or bad stuff, but the fact that it looks like you're pondering, you almost, almost feel like you're trying to wrap your head around it.

But you not like.

Yeah, but you also not like.

Nah.

No, not, not, not even close.

Really not even close.

Now if you would ask this question 30 years ago, sure.

But now MC Hammer is a novelty, and that's the problem.

It can't be a novelty because the novelty act is not going to make a universal enough for song to have the big appeal because it novelties are only appealing to people who collect those novelties.

It's not big across the board.

So it's got to be somebody that's big across the board.

He's not.

You'd be making a.

You're trying to make a, A, a huge hit for minimal target audience because like you, you had to preface if you were there.

If you got to preface it with if you were there, then they ain't big enough.

So it.

I figured you would say that.

If I, if I ask, if I ask Kira about MC Hammer, she'll know because she's an old soul.

I asked Kaden.

Yeah.

She'd be like, what are you talking about?

Even if I play the song, she'd be like, oh, I heard that song before.

It's kind of a joke.

I'm not saying it's fair, but I'm just saying if you're going to make a universal cookout music banger that it has to touch all across the board.

He can't do it because you got it.

You gotta have enough of a fan.

You gotta have enough of a fan base to touch everybody.

And you can't have a fan.

You can't have a part of a fan base that looks at you as a novelty or that proactively dislikes you and the younger people proactively dislike any hip hop pre Jay Z.

Any hip hop pre Jay Z. I promise you, most of the youth are just like.

To them it might as well be Curtis Blow.

Like it's just.

It just all of it sounds the same to them.

Mocha Cowboy.

I don't agree either.

But half of the marketing is name recognition.

And so you know what, you're not wrong on that.

So once again, I, I get it, but I'm just saying it's still only going to touch a target audience.

Like, like I said, the GEICO commercial works because they treat it like a Novelty, basically, you're, you're playing off the fact that he is a novelty act.

It's like you have Vanilla Ice in a commercial.

It's a novelty act.

It's not necessarily fair, unfair.

It's not necessarily celebrating the career.

It's just like, hey, you did this thing that one time that people liked.

But I would say, and this my opinion, especially with the geo, let's use the GEICO commercial as a, as a measuring state.

I would say of all the people they had in those guy commercials, the biggest one might have been MC Hammer.

You know, that might have been the biggest one.

So.

And I'm once again, I mean, my thing is like, I just feel like it.

You got to have a couple things to be a, a summer jam, right?

You gotta have a couple things, you gotta have a beat.

You gotta have something.

The lyrics got to be fire because it's got to catch you.

But when it's all said and done, like, and then there's some name recognition as well.

But hell, these days we just proved that with Sexy Red, if you got a beat, you at least get a listen.

And that's all I'm saying.

You, you weren't talk.

You didn't.

The question was, was it, could you make a song that some people might like or could you make a song that would be catchy?

You said, what could make a universal broad great summer.

And I'm telling you, a broad summer jam.

Broad summer jam means it.

It has to go past your genre, past your normal fan base.

I don't think it could do it.

I think it would still be a novelty.

So are we saying that Hammer couldn't get the black people?

Because I think he could get the white people.

I, I'm saying Hammer could only get a certain sect of people.

He would get older people and he'd get people that have like, no familiarity with, with actual, like what hip hop has evolved to.

And they're just like, oh, I remember that happy song.

Or why, why, why can't all the colored folk rap like this?

Oh, Jesus Christ.

So, but if you put them on a song with little somebody, I mean,.

But, but then you're minimizing the, you're minimizing the appeal even more like it.

You, you gotta make a broad audience for the like.

Matter of fact, just give me what you would consider like a really, really big, broad spectrum summer jam or a cookout jam.

Out.

So I would think, you know, I would say for me, a summer jam requires a couple different things.

One, it's got to be listenable.

Two.

I'm not asking you to define it.

I'm asking you.

Okay, tell me a song that you put in this category so then we can dissect it from there.

Oh, so you brought one up earlier.

Like the wobble.

Like, Vic, I think these days it's a lot about movement and it's a lot about dancing.

It's got.

You got to be able to dance to it, you know, like, it's got to be a link dance.

And that's.

Why do you.

Because I mean.

I mean, would you consider like some.

Some of them old Al Green songs, dance songs.

But you could.

You could.

You could throw them at a cookout and people.

Which one are we talking about?

I mean.

Because most.

So most cookout jams and stuff like that requires like, you gotta move in some form of fashion.

Like, even if you stand still and you move, you're moving.

It makes you want to move, you know.

And it just so happens as the years progressed, they became more of line.

Line dance exhaust.

Which I agree with you.

You know, that's why the things like the wobble work.

Because Lord knows if you can stand up and move in a square, you can wobble, you know, step to the name of love.

Same thing.

Like, you don't gotta move that much.

Even though it's.

It's.

It's made for the older people, but the younger people be messing with it a little bit too, you know.

So I guess that's what I'm talking about.

Or something that you could play in your car going down the street.

Like summertime.

There ain't no.

Really jam like dance to end of that.

But you know, it's smooth and it's something that you can.

That everybody can get into.

So.

Yeah, you know, I'm just saying right now I agree with you.

I think the dances, the dances, like the physical movement is a heavy part of summer jams now than it was when we were growing up.

I mean.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Like, it.

It's not really a requirement because Al Green Love and Happiness Comes on ain't.

No.

It ain't really a dance song.

But man, that's.

Oh, yeah.

But you.

But you not.

But if they over.

If they under 35 or let's say they're under 30, they ain't doing that with that.

Like you said, it gets played at the cookout because everybody necessary, everybody is okay with it.

That's.

That's the requirement.

It's not.

It's not about.

Does everybody necessarily Love this job.

This song transcend the genre.

Cookout appropriate.

Like, we.

We.

Everybody has a cookout appropriate playlist.

You know, like, hey, this is cookout appropriate.

Like, and that.

That song has to be, like, all the Motown stuff.

Cook out appropriate because young folk all right with it.

Old folk are all right with it.

MC Hammer.

Young folk and old folk ain't gonna be okay with it.

Oh, but I would okay with it.

Young folk will not.

Well, I would say.

I would say it's so weird, right?

Because, like, we all have different definitions of the cookout.

Yeah.

But for me, a lot of it is just music.

Music.

Do we have different.

Because I promise you to a point, if we was like, hey, man, pull out 10 cookout classics, and there was a ton of overlap.

It wasn't a ton.

It was some.

I do remember it was some of.

Us, but those were the overlap, man.

But that's what I'm saying.

Like, I thought the point of this question was like, an obvious cookout jam.

And, like, you got to be able to touch all of the touch points for the.

For the cookout classic, man.

But.

But not just a song that could get played on the radio that some people might like in the summer, because I can name thousands of songs that did that.

Well, but.

But had a song that did that pumps in a bump.

Like people.

First of all, there's some people who love that jam.

I mean, I love that jam, but I ain't playing the wise cookout.

That's just me, though.

I wouldn't play that cookout.

Once again, I promise you, there's somebody that will.

Oh, I'm pretty sure the Old Town 357 would.

Okay, now.

Now, Oaktown 357, the one song they came out with.

Hell yeah.

Like, every kid would be like, what the is this?

But I'd be like, you know what I'm saying?

I mean, because that.

First of all, that is it.

I mean, the one song they came out with wasn't horrible.

It won't good, but it wasn't horrible.

And that's.

And back then, that was just a real thing.

As long as it wasn't ass horrible.

It got played.

Because Lord knows, nah.

JJ fan had one song, and that was okay.

That the rest of that album was trash, man.

Supersonic is.

Supersonic goes, bro.

That's the only song that you know.

You're saying it was okay?

I'm telling you, that goes, bro.

That goes.

Look, I'm not gonna drop that shout.

Out to Dre that goes.

I mean.

I mean, yeah, that.

I'm not saying top notch lyricism happens on that song.

I'm saying that song goes though, you know what I'm saying?

Some songs just.

Just have it, you know what I'm saying?

That was one of them.

You got your 60 year old aunt singing that joint, man, at the, at the cookout.

If they play it and it's just like, really?

Yeah.

You still know, you know, and you know, back then and today, it's not like lyric.

It's not like great lyrics are a requirement for a guy.

His song.

I mean, no, because we today, not even today.

We've discussed it.

Back then, E. Even some of the people that you liked were really not good rappers.

Oh.

Or really not good lyricist.

Let me not say rap, because rap is.

Man, there's a lot.

There's a lot of overlap in, in what people consider rap.

You know, cadence matters, delivery, a lot of all that matters.

But if we were just breaking down lyrics, I promise you, if somebody was just like, hey, man, I'm gonna type out all the Beastie Boys lyrics, you'd be like, what the were they talking about half the time?

I mean, yeah, but at least it.

Ron.

I was just.

A lot of BC boys today, actually kind of scary.

But.

But yeah.

All I'm saying is, I mean, I'm not gonna disagree, but I'm just saying the right circumstances, I think the man could.

Could do something.

I'm just saying, definitely could make a novelty summer hit right now where it would be big enough for people to be like, yeah, that's kind of cool that this dude that ain't had a relevant song in 30 years made this jam.

Hey, man, that's all you need, though.

I get it.

But I just don't know if like five years from now we'd be like, oh, man, there.

There is a cookout banger we gotta play.

Like, I'm just.

That doesn't.

That doesn't mean it wouldn't happen.

Because I don't think anybody who heard Vic rap before would be like, man, he would have a song that would get played forever.

Like, man, talk about tripping.

Following your face, that will play forever.

That dude tripped and fell on his face.

To be honest, I like his song Silly better.

Yeah, I get silly.

Yeah.

I mean, I can't remember.

I just started doing that because that song was funny.

But yeah, like, I didn't know he did the wobble at first.

And I was like, why did he come out with this last?

Like, he should have probably started with this.

But okay, I Mean, that's fine.

You.

You never know when something's gonna hit, man.

That's what.

That's why, like, as much as I disagree with your Hammer assertion, I'm not saying it could happen.

You know what I'm saying?

I just.

I would have a hard time believing it would happen because of who Hammer is.

I mean, because.

Let's be real, bro.

Before the video, Tulaquit too legit to quit came out.

Everybody's probably just like, man.

And then that 5 million dollar video, it's about a million dollars, but it feels like it was 5 million for the time.

It was probably like.

It felt like $5 million when that came out.

That changed everything for that song.

I mean, you got Dion Sanders out there too legit to quitting, and a whole bunch of other people that I don't remember.

And, I mean, the man's dancing like he about to die.

Like, yo, if I'm.

I'm dance was.

I'm dying on the dance floor.

That's how mcl was in that video, Enemy.

And that was crazy.

But the lyrics was very pedestrian.

Once again.

But it wasn't about that.

It was about.

It was about how hard the song hit.

And then once you saw the visual, like you said, you.

I mean, when you hit a song, all you thinking about is what you saw.

That.

That.

And I mean, you know, elephant in the room and not no fault.

Not no fault of his own.

And it's not even a negative thing.

I mean, the truth is, that song got big because white people jumped on it.

White people was like, hey, this is fun.

Yeah.

I mean, hey, you know who's not complaining?

That guy.

No, I wasn't saying that to be a dis.

But I'm just saying, you know, it.

You know, look, man, when white people jumped on something with hip hop, like, this was gonna blow.

Yeah.

So.

But yeah, man, I mean, that's.

I. I think.

Hey, man, T. Pain and Hammer can't come out with a track.

Yo, if that would have happened, we.

We would have set.

We would.

We.

We'd be telling history, telling us.

I think T. Pain could pull it off.

I mean, there are a couple other artists that might be big enough.

Like I said.

I know.

I know Beyonce could do it again.

Yeah, because it's Beyonce.

Yeah, exactly.

Because.

Because just like you said, it could.

Be absolute and it wouldn't matter.

Yeah, yeah, but here's the thing.

I don't think Beyonce.

I'm gonna say this, and.

And you might not agree with this, but, like, truthfully, I don't know if Beyonce's capable of coming out with bad because she has such a machine behind her as far as, like, production.

And like.

Like, Beyonce would have to work harder to make a terrible song than she does to make a great song.

And that's not a shade on her because a.

She's super talented.

Like, let's just hard stop right there.

Also, they got the best production money can buy, man.

They gotta.

Because every great songwriter, every great producer would cut off part of their body to just work on a song with her.

So it's like, man, it be hard for her to make, like, a complete dud.

Yeah.

And she's not.

She might make a song that you be like, oh, man, ain't really my speed, but, like, it's gonna be somebody speed.

Yeah.

For a song that's gonna come out and everybody's gonna be like, universal, man.

This shit's trash.

I. I just can't see it happening.

I mean, look, when it.

She's at least smart enough to realize, look, if I'm.

I'm.

She's not going to make the critical error that she is better than she is above everything.

Like Kanye west.

Did she about to do that and genre John to change or not?

I mean, hell, she made a country album, and that won a country music award.

Just.

And just let that sink in, bro.

She won a country musical.

She won a CMA off of an album.

A country album that she made, like, what, four years ago?

Get out of here with that, man.

I mean, so, like, yeah.

Is that really surprising?

I mean, and the reason I say,.

Is it really surprising?

Because it's like, yo, man, she has.

She is so big.

She.

She.

Beyonce is truly reached the.

I'm too big to fail.

Well, yeah, I would say.

I would definitely say that.

Yes.

You know, but once again, she did not fall to hubris, and nobody around her allowed her to follow hubris.

Whereas everybody just said, hey, man, do what you want, Kanye west, man.

And it's just like.

And I mean, I'm sorry, man.

Maybe I shouldn't be doing that.

But, bro, that album was super trash.

Well, here's the thing about.

Here's.

Here's a difference.

Because Kanye does everything himself.

Who's ever really there to tell him no?

And what I mean, like, when you're a producer, when you're doing all this and you've been super successful now, there aren't people in place to tell you no.

Like, not saying Beyonce doesn't write songs, not saying she has a contributed production, but she ain't in that.

Doing it, Cooking it herself.

Like, Kanye was in that.

Cooking everything he did, for the most part, himself.

So now he's.

So now he's reached a point where like, yeah, we outside can be like, yo, man, this is trash.

But he.

He the chef.

So like, he.

He's doing like, where Beyonce doesn't have that problem now.

Not.

Not saying Beyonce couldn't get that problem.

Because if Beyonce went to the company and was like, look, I. I want to produce and do everything by myself, she's big enough where ain't nobody gonna tell her no either.

I mean, true.

But like, I got all.

I'm.

I guess, you know, this is some episode one and two right here.

All I'm gonna say is, I get that.

I understand that.

I think the biggest question is somebody told this.

Yes.

Like, yo, man, somebody told him yes.

So, cuz, man, like, to me, I just feel like none of his people, like, if he.

If it comes out.

What are you talking about?

Hold on, hold on.

Listen to me.

If it comes out that he just put.

He did this himself and he put it out and he had no one listen to it at all.

Okay?

But if anybody listened to this album and looked at him was like, yo, man, that shit's fire.

They need to be gotten rid of in a hurry.

Because the only.

There are only two tracks up there that were good.

And just so happens Timberland produced one of them.

Because regardless of whatever he was doing, Timberland saying, I ain't going out like that.

That's not what we doing.

Is the same joint with Todd Dollar Sign on it.

And that is the best track on that album.

I'm not saying it's good.

I'm saying it's the best track on that album.

All I'm saying is, yo, if he had said, this is 14 year old me.

And I did all this when I was 14 and I added like two tracks to it.

Word, I'm with you.

That was pedestrian for his standards.

And that's what disappointed me in the whole thing.

Because you produce all this other.

That's phenomenal.

And you produce your own.

Like you don't know how to produce a damn thing.

Come on, man.

And, and, and let me give you some.

I'm gonna give you pushback because I think, I think you're.

I think your perspective is so emotionally skewed based on how you feel.

Where I'm gonna say you're like.

If somebody listened to this and told him it was good.

I'm telling you, since he came out since the beginning, there were people listening to his saying it wasn't good.

From.

From day one, he's had tons of people listening to his saying it's not good, it'll never make it.

And all that's happened since is he's been successful.

Everything he dropped for a long time was on the mountaintop.

So at this point in time, even if somebody in the studio was like, this shit's trash, why the would he listen to them?

Because at this point in time, he's made a successful career out of not listening to hating ass.

So there's nobody left.

There's nobody that's going to be able to tell the this irrational idiot, yo, this is trash.

Even if it is, well, he's never going to believe you.

He's never gonna believe anyone.

So you're like, why did somebody tell him yes?

Nobody told him no, because at this point in time, he ain't listening to nobody because he got successful by not listening to anybody.

Okay, understand this is last question.

We'll move on.

Do you feel that the production in that album was remotely near the production in the College Dropout?

I'm trying to figure out.

No, I'm trying to figure out how.

I want to answer this question.

I feel like very similar to the College Dropout.

His production was unlike anything else that was relevant at the moment, which is why he became big.

Because he was doing things production wise that other people weren't necessarily doing.

There may have been people dabbling in it, but nobody was doing it the way he did it.

Okay, so production wise, based on his own standards.

Yeah, because he was trying to do something that sounded different than everything that was out.

Mission accomplished.

Now, if you're asking me do I like the production, No, I didn't like the production.

But I'm not gonna say the production was it quality wise, because I don't think this dude is incapable of hearing how the production.

I'm.

I'm telling you that sounded exactly how he wanted it to sound.

And I'm not.

It's not because the production was bad.

It was because the music wasn't that appealing.

But the production was fine, I promise you.

The sound, the levels were just how he wanted it.

Everything was cleaned up the exact way he wanted it.

He was just trying to be different.

And he feels like the only way he can be relevant is to be outlandish, which makes him come off as sounding stupid and emotional and.

And then he doubled down on the I'm bipolar part.

Really giving people who are bipolar a really Bad name.

Because it's like, yo, just because you're bipolar doesn't mean you have to, like, now sign up to be a idiot.

But that's nothing to do with.

Hey, you're right.

Being popular doesn't make you not a bitch.

I'm sorry.

I dropped the F bomb.

My mom says I cuss up.

I say the F word way too much up here.

But, mom, we're talking about Kanye, and you can't for a second tell me that some of the stuff that he said haven't made you mom want to be like, is this dude talking about.

I think that's fair.

That's a fair assessment.

So, yeah, I mean, hey, I will end with that.

I. I agree with that.

So we'll end with that.

I mean, you know, but some.

It's that time, y'.

All.

Summer cookouts.

Make sure you got your summer jam playlist.

And like I said, if you need one, check us out on Spotify.

Put in five minute warning.

Yeah, sure.

Usher probably could do it.

Oh, without question.

Yes.

That's low hanging fruit.

Because I don't think Usher's still.

I don't think Usher's gone.

Exactly.

Yeah.

I think he's relevant enough with young and old.

He can make it happen.

Yeah.

So.

And that's why.

That's.

I on purpose.

Like, I. I didn't even include him in this because he's kind of still relevant.

So I got one.

Just.

Just because I don't.

I don't want us to all, like, just be stuck on, you know, basically.

Maroon 5, I think, could pull one.

Off well, and I think that.

But they're also still around too.

They just came out album like last year or something.

It's not about, are you still around?

It's like.

But I. I think their appeal is still relevant enough with some of the younger people and definitely with older.

I think.

I think Maroon 5 could do it.

Yeah, I think.

But I think the question was more about people in the past, more or less, to come back and just do something in a minute.

You said Maroon 5 just dropped the album last year.

Last year.

Give me.

Give me a single.

I'll be honest with you.

Which means.

But I don't think.

Not really.

I. I promise you.

They probably haven't released anything that's been top 100 since that V album came out.

Yeah, I mean, so I don't.

I am a Room 5 fan.

I'm gonna be honest with you.

I'm not up on, like, their albums and stuff.

I know that joint.

They did With.

With Cardi B was dope.

That track they did with her, and I think that was like, that's probably like, three, four years ago.

Girls like.

Girls Like Me.

Yeah.

Like.

Reuben, that was 12 years.

Yeah, but they've come out with more music since then, and I know that Cardi B album, that Cardi B track is at least I. I don't think it's more than five years old.

And I consider that relevant, you know, because I, I. Yeah, because Cardi B has been out herself for, like, what, eight years, maybe.

Yes.

Yeah.

So I would consider that relevant now.

The Whisk Leafa joint is much older than that, so I wouldn't.

I wouldn't count that.

But I know they came out with an album, I think, either last year, the year before.

And I'm gonna be honest, I don't listen to terrestrial radio.

So, yeah, I'm.

I'm an old head, so every once in a while I run into.

I run into new music, but for the most part, I don't listen to new music, so I'm.

I'm sad.

Kbago said Breezy could do it.

Once again, I don't think Breezy is out.

I wouldn't consider him to be old enough because he came on the album a couple years ago, too, so it's like him and Drake, I feel like they're still around.

So, like, I don't consider them back then, you know, because they're still relevant.

So.

But yes, he could.

I mean, that dude can do what he wants to do is whether he chooses to do that or not.

And that's.

And that's the only opinion you're gonna get from.

About Chris Brown from me, because this is a family show, and a lot of people out like Chris Brown, so we've.

I've buried that hatchet years ago.

So with that being said, what's on your mind, Moby?

Man?

I already start talking about the Orchestra Noir concert, but I'm.

I'm gonna go back to it because.

And we're talking.

We talked about music, too, so it's funny that this is kind of what I was thinking.

And me and my wife just posed a question to each other.

We were just like, yo, man, what's gonna happen in 20 years, man, with.

With our kids?

Like, what.

What music are they gonna listen to 25 years from now and be like, oh, man, nostalgia.

And, like, I get it.

I'm.

I'm an old dude, so I don't know about all the drill music stuff that my daughter Cadence listens to that she gets hyped to, but it just doesn't feel like it has the ability to, like, 25 years from now be played and everybody be like, oh, that was the jam.

Like, it kind of makes me sad.

Like, it's like, yo, what.

What are y' all gonna.

There was.

There was love, that.

There was happiness there.

There was.

There was a lot of music about, like, feel good happiness.

And I'm like, that don't exist no more.

Like, really, it's just a bend over, let me spend this money on you.

Or ain't.

That's pretty much, like, I just covered all of the spectrum of radio right now or poppy music right now.

So I'm just like, man, what are they gonna listen?

Like, what concert are my kids gonna go to?

And be like, oh, that's when music was music.

Please, somebody enlighten me.

Because from.

From what I hear and I.

Am I super plugged in to, like, what the kids are listening to now.

Not super plugged in because I got a job.

Ain't nobody got time to be digging through the crates to find these music releases on Spotify.

Because it seems like drop albums on Spotify and nobody ever even gets radio play anymore.

I don't think anybody was like, oh, man, this back that ass up is not gonna age well.

I don't think anybody heard Cisco Thong Song and was like, oh, they'll never play this 15 years from now.

Like, some.

Somebody please make some good music for these kids today.

And I.

When I say good music, it ain't got to be that I like.

I. I don't mean.

I'm not trying to sound like that old person that's like, oh, I want y' all to make music that appeals to me.

Like, just make music that, like, has feelings again.

Because I don't think without right now invokes anything but, like, anger and depression.

And I. I get it.

Art imitates life, but at some point is life just starting to imitate the art, and that's all I got, man.

Hey, man, you're not wrong.

You're not wrong at all.

Yeah, you're not wrong.

That's funny.

2045, The roller stones will probably be still torn.

Yep.

Because Keith Richards still will not be dead.

He has taken enough drugs to make his body live another 20 years.

He'll be the oldest dude on the planet.

Like, shout out to Keith.

I mean.

I mean, here's the thing.

He might.

He might actually already be dead, but the drugs have just, like, kept his body.

I mean, you know.

Yeah, that's a dude.

Unfortunately, when it's his time, his body needs to be studied by all of medicine because the amount of stuff that he is taking is amazing.

That.

That dude not even walks, man.

Is.

Is amazing that he is coherent in life.

That means God loves him or the devil's got a lot of work for him to do.

One of the two, I don't know which.

But somebody.

Somebody appreciates him.

Two things, right?

So the music thing, I want to touch on that.

Today I had the.

I don't know if it was a good thing or bad thing, but I'm listening to my stuff and.

Becky comes on the song Becky by what's his name.

Plus.

I'm sorry.

So.

I mean, no, I think.

I think the song is hilarious.

So, you know, is what it is.

The man ain't got no real skill, but the shit's hilarious.

And we all know what that.

We all know what Becky means, so we don't need to get into that.

If you don't know what Becky means, go ahead, look at your urban dictionary.

They'll be glad to give you a definition.

So I was like, oh, there's a video for this song, Moby.

Have you ever seen the video to Becky?

I'm pretty sure I have.

Okay.

Most people probably have not.

Is that the one?

He's by the pool.

He end up driving a convertible down the street.

Yes.

Okay.

Yeah, I have seen it.

Wow.

I'm mad that I remember that.

Not.

Not because I don't think the song is hilarious, because it is.

It is.

It is hilarious song.

But it's just.

I just despise him as an artist.

I mean, look, man, everybody be fake out here.

So you can't be mad at him, not be mad at everybody else.

So I'm watching this video for the first time in years.

Like, probably 30 years.

Okay, 20 years.

I'm not that good.

But so I'm watching this video, and of course there are women in the video, which makes sense.

Cool.

I get it.

You know, because the name of the song and the purposes for the song, of course there are white women in there dancing and singing the track.

And all that stuff.

Like, cool.

Understand it.

What I didn't understand was the black women dancing and not like choreographed dancing, like normal black women dancing and singing the song.

I didn't understand that because this song itself, and correct me if I'm wrong, will be.

But the song itself is about, you know, getting fellatio from a white woman.

I think in broader terms, it's just about getting old.

Well, yeah, but I mean, I think the.

The part of it with the name Becky is basically.

Basically, he's kind of saying that black women don't get hit.

And that's.

I think, what he's saying, but I implies.

Or that white women are doing.

More enthusiastic about doing.

Yes.

So I just didn't understand why the black women were dancing and singing the song.

It did.

It just didn't make sense to me.

Because they were paid to be in the video.

I mean, I understand that, but I.

Think you're reading too much into it.

I just think that that didn't make sense and they should have put it in the video.

You're reading too much into it.

Sure.

I mean, which is fine.

But that's just my point.