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Pull Up, Speak Up: Assassination, Citizenship, and Clemency – America at a Crossroads
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In this episode of A Black Executive Perspective podcast's new series 'Pull Up, Speak Up,' hosts Tony Tidbit and Chris P. Reed gather a roundtable of dynamic leaders including Tauri Laws Phillips, Majken Zylik, and Mario Ficarra to discuss critical issues affecting the nation. The panel explores topics such as the controversial assassination of UnitedHealth Group CEO Brian Thompson, the future of birthright citizenship under President Trump, and President Biden's recent pardon of his son, Hunter. The episode also delves into the implications of political power and loyalty, providing a platform for raw, unfiltered, and honest discussions. The conversation concludes with a call to action to incorporate LESS (L-E-S-S): Learn, Educate, Share, and Stop, to end Discrimination. Join the hosts and panelists as they navigate the complexities of current political and social issues while emphasizing the importance of meaningful dialogue.

▶︎ In This Episode

00:00: Introduction and Opening Remarks

01:07: Meet the Hosts and Partners

01:41: Introducing the Roundtable Panel

03:38: Personal Reactions to the Election

05:24: Ground Rules for Discussion

07:00: Initial Reactions to Trump's Re-election

18:18: Cabinet Picks and Their Implications

28:35: Public Reaction to CEO Assassination

36:36: The Callousness of Society

37:01: The Daniel Petri Case

37:41: Empathy and Health Insurance

41:33: Trump's Birthright Citizenship Statement

42:11: America: A Nation of Immigrants?

56:49: Hunter Biden's Pardon Controversy

01:05:55: Final Thoughts and Call to Action

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Tauri Laws Phillips: of people who

are black, brown, and immigrants,

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And a large number of people

who have been stagnant, thinking

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that they have lost something.

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So I've said this for a long time, that

when you are looking left and right,

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and suddenly, the people who you think

are supposed to be behind you are moving

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ahead of you, you think you've lost

ground, and you simply have not moved.

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And when people then have the opportunity

to blame that on someone, There's

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all like the pendulum is going to

swing in one direction or the next.

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BEP Narrator: The award winning

A Black Executive Perspective

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podcast presents Pull Up, Speak Up.

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More meaningful conversations

drive progress, and every

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voice makes a difference.

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So what's on the table

for discussion today?

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Tony Tidbit: It's time to show

up, speak up, and get real.

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Welcome to Pull Up, Speak Up, a new

series from Black Executive Perspective

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podcast, your safe space for raw.

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Unfiltered and honest discussions on

the tough issues many shy away from.

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I'm your host, Tony Tidbit.

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Chris P. Reed: And I'm

your co host, Chris P.

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Reed.

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Before we start this episode, I'd like to

first begin by taking it, making a shout

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out to our partners at CodeM Magazine.

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Tony Tidbit: Yeah, definitely check them

out and check out our round table today.

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They will provide their perspectives on

a shocking assassination, the birthright

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citizenship debate, and the broader

implications of presidential clemency.

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Chris P. Reed: Let me introduce

our round table to this audience.

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And so today's round table, we'll

bring together a dynamic group of

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leaders with unique perspectives.

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First foremost, we'll

be Tauri Laws Phillips.

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Laws Phillips, uh, is co, I'm sorry, CEO

of Austin 100, a visionary leader in brand

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marketing, strategic brand development,

and creative storytelling known for

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championing diversity within the industry.

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Tauri Laws Phillips, welcome

to Pull Up, Speak Up.

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Tauri Laws Phillips: Hey, how's it going?

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Chris P. Reed: All right.

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Next we have Majken Zylik, a seasoned

sales and marketing professional with a

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strong background in client relationship

management and strategic consulting.

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Welcome to Pull Up, Speak Up.

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Majken Zylik: Thanks for having me.

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Chris P. Reed: And rounding out this

fabulous panel is Mario Ficarra, an

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accomplished advertising industry

executive with deep expertise

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in strategic planning, client

leadership, and media innovation.

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Mario, welcome to Pull Up, Speak Up.

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Mario Ficarra: Thanks for having me.

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Great to be here.

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Chris P. Reed: Let, let me,

let me start by kind of setting

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the baseline with you guys.

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Uh, and I'll start with you,

Mario, since I ended there.

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Uh, Mario, can you tell us where

you're currently residing and where

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your family is at this point in time?

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Mario Ficarra: Sure, I'm in New York.

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Uh, my wife and two daughters

live in Rockland County.

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I have two twin daughters

and they're five years old.

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Chris P. Reed: All right.

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Cool.

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Same to you, Majken.

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Where are you located recently?

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Majken Zylik: I am just outside of

New York City in New Jersey, uh,

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with my husband and my two kids, boy

and a girl, and our beautiful dog.

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Chris P. Reed: A lot of

East Coast perspective.

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Cool.

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And Tauri let us know where

you and your family reside.

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Tauri Laws Phillips: I will, uh, bring

the, uh, differentiation and be the Texan.

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Uh, I am here in Austin, Texas.

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I have two kids, 10 and 11, and

a whole bunch of fur babies.

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Cool.

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Yes.

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Tony Tidbit: Well, number one,

thank you guys for joining.

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We're looking forward to hearing your

perspective on a number of topics.

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So the question I have for you,

and I'll start with you, Tauri.

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You know, you guys are busy.

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Obviously, your CEO, um, Majken

and, and, and, and Mario, you

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know, are professionals in their

different, um, areas of expertise.

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You guys have families.

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So what inspired you to join the

Pull Up, Speak Up Roundtable to share

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your perspectives on these topics?

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Tauri Laws Phillips: I have big opinions.

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Uh, I think we are highly

affected by what's happening in

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the, uh, political atmosphere.

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I think we're seeing the effects day

to day, uh, especially in states like

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Texas where things are happening and

decisions are being made and affecting

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people and women very quickly.

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Uh, so I think it's time we talk about it.

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I am gone are the days where it's polite

and we don't talk about those things.

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I

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Tony Tidbit: love it.

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I love it.

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Majken.

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Majken Zylik: Uh, yeah, I would

echo that and say that I feel like

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recently we haven't been talking

about it enough in our circles and

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the things that we do because people

just don't want to get uncomfortable.

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So I think that, um, I was excited to join

so I could open these topics and have the

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discussions that we don't have day to day.

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Tony Tidbit: Thanks.

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I'm glad to hear that.

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And Mario, tell us your

perspective, my friend.

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Mario Ficarra: Um, well, I'm pretty

passionate about following current

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events and the news and, um, excuse

me, I'm fighting a cold here.

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So I apologize for my voice.

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Um, and there are just probably

a select few people in my, in my

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inner circle that I probably talk

about the tops of the day with.

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So it's, I thought it'd be

really interesting to kind of do

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it with, uh, open up my circle

here and maybe learn something.

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Tony Tidbit: That is awesome.

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So again, guys, welcome.

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Chris P. Reed: So we'd like to remind

the panelists and our audience that

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we try to abide by 10, uh, ground

rules to having great dialogue.

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And so let me just go over

those 10 rules for you guys.

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Now, rule number one, respect all voices.

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Rule number two, listen actively rule

number three, no personal attacks.

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It will get passionate.

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It will get heated, but just remember

we're human beings just sharing our

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opinion as you guys just stated.

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rule number four.

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Avoid interrupting once again, the

passion is going to overflow, but we

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got to make sure we give each person

a chance to represent themselves.

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rule number 5, stay open minded.

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Rule number 6, speak

from your own experience.

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Please.

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Don't give a story of a story of a

story and a derivative of that story

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because then it waters down your

understanding of the actual situation.

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rule number 7, because the time

we have, we want to stay on topic,

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make sure that we clean off into

different things as passion projects.

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Rule number eight, follow the time limits.

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A reiteration of rule number seven, rule

number nine, challenge ideas, not people.

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None of this is immensely personal

to where we can't get over it and

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learn from each other at this point in

time, which leads us to the last rule.

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rule number 10, no butts.

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Anytime somebody interjects a

but it tends to diminish what

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the person was saying beforehand.

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So try your best not to include buts.

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And if we follow those 10 rules,

we'll have a great conversation today.

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Tony Tidbit: Thanks, Chris.

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So you guys heard the ground rules.

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So can I get a thumbs up from each person

that you guys agree with the ground

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rules and you're willing to participate?

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That is awesome.

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So now this is a safe space.

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So let's finally talk about it.

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So Majken, and I'm going to come

to you on this first question.

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Obviously we are Seven weeks away

from the election on November 5th,

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uh, Donald Trump being elected the

president of the United States.

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So I would love to hear what is

your reaction and what was your

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reaction about him being elected

to, uh, the president again?

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Majken Zylik: So I, to answer that

question, I always have to compare

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it to the first time he was elected.

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Um, I was overwhelmed by just.

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Shock and then sadness.

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Obviously, I'm showing

my perspective already.

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However, uh, this time around, uh,

I've been surrounded by people that

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are on one side versus the other.

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And I wasn't surprised this time.

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I, I, I don't know why I would speak

to somebody on the other side who

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would say, Nope, he's not going to win.

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He's not going to win.

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Uh, and I just had this feeling.

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So when.

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I started seeing the results, I

just literally went to bed because

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I just couldn't watch it anymore.

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And then I woke up to my

daughter like sobbing.

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So I was consoling her.

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Meanwhile, having that, you know,

figure out what to tell her and how

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to get her into the future thought

process, not worrying about it.

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That's right.

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A long winded answer, but

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Tony Tidbit: no, no, no, it's all good.

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How old is your daughter?

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Majken Zylik: She's 15.

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Tony Tidbit: Okay, got it.

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So she's definitely engaged as well.

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Mario, your initial reaction.

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Mario Ficarra: I wasn't shocked.

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I wasn't surprised.

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I think, um, you know, I felt I

think like Majken and did about

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the first, uh, first time he ran.

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and one in 2016.

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This time around, I really thought

this, it was, it was really going

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to come down to battleground states

and just a few number of votes.

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Um, I did not see the red arrows

that everybody saw on that map the

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next day of just that red wave of

votes that went from blue to red.

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I did not see such a wave of

support going his way, especially

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across A bunch of different demos.

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Um, so that really kind

of surprised me a lot.

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And it made me realize that, um, you

know, I, I need to maybe dig a little

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bit deeper and maybe rely on some more

new sources or people or anecdotes

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because it had me a bit by surprise.

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Tony Tidbit: Okay.

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All right.

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I'll follow back up with

you on that in a second.

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Tauri.

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What was your response?

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Tauri Laws Phillips: I was, uh,

deeply saddened and not surprised.

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Uh, for me, it was, uh.

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Gosh, I, I, I wanted better, but didn't,

uh, have as much hope as I wanted to have.

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And so it was pretty expected.

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Um, and just very, very sad.

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I, uh, spent the day also

consoling children, and mine

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are 10 and 11, but very aware.

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Wow.

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Tony Tidbit: And, and being sad.

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Like, why, why were you, why were you sad?

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Tauri Laws Phillips: I was sad because

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I think we've done this before, right?

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And so, um, the fear of what will

happen next and how many people will

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be affected, um, and how it will affect

people is deeply, uh, deeply scary for me.

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So that's the sadness part

of it is, uh, what will.

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This look like for the communities that I

am a part of and the people that I know.

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So, yeah.

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Tony Tidbit: Okay.

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All right.

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And then Mario, you

talked about dig deeper.

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What do you mean by digging deeper?

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Mario Ficarra: Just, I felt caught

off guard because I'm so engaged.

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And I felt like I'm so engaged and

I, and I digest so much information

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and, um, it's really like to a point

where, like, my wife's like, you

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know, you really, it's too much.

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Like, you're, you're, you know, you're

getting upset or you need to pull back.

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And so I just felt like I didn't

see, you know, you hear about, um.

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The importance of, um, you know, social

media, the conservative manosphere of

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podcasts and all that, you just didn't

realize that it had, you know, postmortem,

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you see the, the effect that it had and

the, um, and it's not just overnight and

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there's so many factors that went into it.

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And, and I was, you know, and like, I like

to call postmortem core for a while, just

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going through all the data, the analysis,

the podcasts, the folks breaking it down.

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Um, and I, I kind of just.

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You know, it sort of was digesting

it in buckets of like, well,

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this is they could have done this

and they could have done that.

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And then then you take a step back

and go, but this the sort of seeds

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with this were planted for years.

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And you kind of just go back

and forth on that, right?

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You play this game of, you know,

he should have pulled out sooner.

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She didn't have enough time.

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Messaging was all so many things.

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But really, I mean, why is

he there in the first place?

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Tony Tidbit: Got it.

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Got it.

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Got it.

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Mario Ficarra: That's kind of I'm

like, why is even the 1st place, you

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know, so that's a bigger question.

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Tony Tidbit: Okay.

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All right.

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Chris P. Reed: All right.

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Chris, um, you know,

for me, same situation.

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I, I, I, I try to follow the

money, you know, the conventional

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wisdom is always follow the money.

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And so, when she raised so much

money in the beginning, I thought

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that that was the indicator that

she had a great opportunity.

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The party was behind her,

the people, the pockets, the

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politicians, the famous folks.

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Or behind or even Republicans, right?

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And then for whatever reason,

um, that didn't mean anything.

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And so the idea of politics as usual,

or the way in which we have grown

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to know this country to operate

from political landscape didn't

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necessarily play out for this.

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So, my question to, you know, I'll

start with you, Majken, and on this,

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um, when you were surprised, were you

surprised because you had developed

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a way that politics was supposed to

operate and this went against that

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or was it just him specifically?

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Majken Zylik: I mean, originally

I was just surprised because

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it was him initially, and you

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Chris P. Reed: know,

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Majken Zylik: who he stands for.

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Um, he's, I don't know.

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He's not somebody that anyone in my

family would look up to, and for that

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to be the president just seems like

the presidency isn't valued at all.

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Chris P. Reed: And so Tauri in this

election, you know, same thing to

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you, as far as the rhetoric and the

perspective of politics at this point

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in time, did that surprise you that

we're headed down this road of the

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political path, or was it just him?

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Specifically that you were

so disappointed or saddened.

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I'll use your term saddened by

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Tauri Laws Phillips: surprise.

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No, um,

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I think that it's a let down.

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Uh, because there is who.

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You think we are as a people, and then

there's who you know we are as a people.

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And so there's a cognitive, like,

there's a dissidence between that.

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There's a divide between what you hope we

are, and what you see the best of people.

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And then, sort of, the dark

underbelly of humanity.

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And I think that is, That everybody

wants to be better than somebody

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and, uh, when you prey on those

fears and when so much of the

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campaigning was, uh, fear mongering,

then it doesn't surprise me so much.

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Chris P. Reed: So let me ask you

this, Mario, and I'm going to

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phrase this a little differently.

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Do you agree with Tauri's assessment

that our politicians are a microcosm

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of who we are as a nation, or do you

feel like they can't represent you

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and the people that you know and love?

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Mario Ficarra: You're

asking the tough ones.

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you know, I, I think it

gets, it gets muddy, right?

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Because you're kind of forced

as a voter to vote for choices

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that were given to you.

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And decided through a whole bunch

of machinations and backdoor

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dealings and, you know, fundraising

and all that good stuff, right?

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Rarely do you get to vote for somebody

that you feel like is just like you,

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that you can relate to, that resonates

with you in a real everyday way.

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And so our politicians Are, I think,

look, I, I think a lot of them get in

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it for right reasons, but then become

sort of like corrupt by the game, by,

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and, and there's just the ones who are

good don't get enough airtime, right?

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Like we're only seeing the ones who are,

um, who are, uh, you know, full of bluster

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and, and, and want to just get the clicks.

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I hope I'm answering your question here.

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It's like, maybe I'm going on a tangent,

but yeah, I mean, I think my feeling is

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that, um, you know, I guess it depends.

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I guess it depends.

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Politicians, you know, once

they're in there, it becomes

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a different game for them.

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Chris P. Reed: You know, I hate to

come off as you making it seem as if a

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politician and good are oxymoronic terms,

but any idea is that what you're saying?

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Mario Ficarra: No, look, I think, I think,

um, and maybe it's just because as, as

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consumers of me, look, I, I, I try my

best to cling on to those politicians

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and follow those politicians who are

pragmatic both sides of the aisle.

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If you can find someone on the Republican

side, I really don't think there's many

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at all these days, but, um, you know,

folks that are, that are level headed.

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that really don't, you know,

give you the Washington speak.

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There's just so much of that, right?

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If you watch all the Sunday news shows and

I'm 45, so I'm still in that, you know,

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kind of linear world of news consumption.

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I'm not on TikTok.

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I'm not, you know, digesting it as many

Millennials are and Gen X and all that.

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These folks come on and they give you

the party line and you're not, you know,

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You're not learning anything new or

interesting and so these people might be

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good and they might be there Trying to you

know, serve their constituents and their

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people, um, but they do a really bad job

of messaging Right, like they do a really

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bad job of I think speaking to folks.

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I think folks like AOC are popular

because She's really good at messaging

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and speaking truth to power and

being real with people and the

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overlap between AOC and Trump voters

is really crazy, but it's there.

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And the, the, the, uh, coming out of that,

folks are saying, well, they, they both

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spoke to us in ways that, you know, we

feel like they understand us, which is

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crazy, but that is what they're saying.

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And, you know, I'll stop.

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Tony Tidbit: Yeah.

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So, so let's do this though,

because obviously, Nothing we

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can do about that now, right?

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It's over.

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It's so we got to move on, right?

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However, he is making his cabinet picks.

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And he's putting them together.

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So based on, you know, you following

along, Majken, and noticing the

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different cabinet picks people

that he's picking for his cabinet.

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Tell us a little bit about what's

your thought process of the

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people that he's putting together.

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And, you know, what troubles you

by all of them or a certain, uh,

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individual that's going to be

nominated to be a cabinet member?

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Majken Zylik: Sure.

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Uh, you know, it seems like he's just

putting together a cast of characters

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that look like the misfit toys.

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Because, you know, I would say just

recently, I don't know what the

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percentage is, but maybe it's 30%.

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But somebody has some.

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Dark secret that starts to come

out when he pulls a name out of

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the hat and So the question for

me is, are they not being vetted?

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Why is he choosing these people?

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Um, just recently, uh, the woman from

WWE was what she, what she was, uh,

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Linda McMahon going to be picked for,

no, uh, the department of education.

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Yeah.

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Sorry.

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I lost my train of thought.

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Um, you know, and then it starts

coming out about her aiding the sex

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trafficking that was going on between,

um, The wrestlers and the kids that

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they had interning for them, you know,

we don't really know the truth behind

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that yet and what's going on, but how

could a person that's being questioned

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now represent the children and the

people of our future through education.

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Chris P. Reed: Let me ask you this though,

just to stay on this real quick, Majken,

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is there anyone that delights you that

has been chosen or, or lifted up thus far?

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Majken Zylik: No.

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Chris P. Reed: Okay.

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Majken Zylik: No.

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Chris P. Reed: All right.

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Go ahead.

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All right.

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So, so then the next question,

it's already same thing.

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Is there anyone that delights

you and if not, okay.

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Wow.

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Okay.

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So why are you troubled or why do the pics

trouble you in this way for the cabinet?

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Tauri Laws Phillips: So, the upside

to somebody like Linda McMahon is

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that at least she has run a business.

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So at least she knows what it is to be

responsible for a large group of people.

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And she understands how to

communicate with a group of people.

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That is all I can say about her

qualifications in that role.

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I

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will say that I appreciate that a number

of the people that have been chosen

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are critical of the departments that

they have been chosen for because I

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think that that is an interesting way,

in theory, uh, to approach a position

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and a department to be critical of it.

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Having said that, nothing else.

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I have seen from any of the pics qualify

those people for those positions.

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So, as a person with a child who is

on an IEP in educational, um, um, plan

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that is governed by the state of Texas.

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If you remove the Department of Education,

every child on special needs will be

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required to hope that that state can

come up with a way to take care of

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that child's needs and education needs

with no consistency, state to state

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and no federal regulation around it.

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Chris P. Reed: Right.

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Mario Mario, let me ask you this.

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Is there any delightful pick

that you've seen thus far?

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Mario Ficarra: No, I mean, I kind

of want to piggyback into what

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Tauri was saying, because I also

have a child with special needs.

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1 of my daughter is on the autism spectrum

and that is a big concern of mine.

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Exactly what she said, you know, I

think no 1 delights me, but a Marco

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Rubio is like a sober pick compared

to all of these other people.

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I mean, I think.

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Trump's number one

qualification is loyalty.

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Will this person just do what I say?

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I mean, literally just be loyal to me.

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I mean, he, he, he got his

bearings the first time around.

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He knows now what to do.

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He knows he needs people in place

that really won't question his

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motives or what he wants to do.

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You know, a person like Pete Hegseth,

let's put all of the the sexual

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stuff aside put all that aside.

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Let's say it didn't happen This guy is not

qualified to run the boy scouts or a troop

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of boy scouts, right like he He ran two

organizations related to veterans and they

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and and they just had to be um, completely

revamped He had to be uh, let go There

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was money problems left and right.

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I don't understand I don't understand

Um, you know, we're in a hold.

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I can't say I don't understand.

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I do understand why these these

people are being picked and I do

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understand why we're in this moment.

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I think it's just really troubling.

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It's really troubling that

we're this far into it.

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So, so

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Tony Tidbit: just but let's

let's stop right there.

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You say you do understand

why they're being picked.

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Why are they being picked

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Mario Ficarra: because because we

have a man like donald trump in office

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I mean, we're here because of him.

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I mean, you know, we're here because

the country chose somebody That is

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woefully unqualified to run the country

and they did that in 16 and they

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decided to do it again It's baffling.

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Tony Tidbit: Well, okay.

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So I got it.

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I want to challenge you on that.

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Oh, yeah, because I just because he's

running again doesn't mean so let's I

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just want to go back to what Tauri said.

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Tauri you said 1 of the

things that you liked, right?

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Is that these are individuals that.

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Um, I don't want to use the word

you didn't say to test, but at the

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end of the day, well, well, they

don't, they don't, they're not,

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uh, uh, they're not going around.

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Yippee.

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Yippee.

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Uh, you're a for federal

bureaucracy, right?

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They're the ones that so Pete has

that, you know, he, uh, said if he

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took over for the, uh, the secretary

of defense, he would, you know, change

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everything because it's all woke.

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Okay.

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Linden, my man, the Department

of Education is horrible, right?

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So sorry, you said because they

believe that's not a bad thing, right?

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That's not a bad thing that they

want to come in and make change.

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My question though, if, if,

if I don't, if I detest, uh,

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uh, uh, uh, Chase Bank, okay.

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Does that allow me to be, um,

uh, become the CEO of chase back?

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Do I have the qualifications to be the

seat just because I detested because

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I think if I was running, you know,

people's, uh, they had overdraft fees.

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It wouldn't be 35.

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It would be 5.

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So, let me, let's, let's dive

into that a little bit because

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that's where I struggle is that.

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At the same time, you have people

saying that, you know, their DEI

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hires, they're not qualified.

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And then all of a sudden,

somebody becomes president.

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And then all of a sudden they

nominate individuals, right?

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Because maybe they did test a certain

department, but they're not qualified.

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Chris P. Reed: Let me, let me say

something before we go further, because

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I want to open it up to Majken and

because the look on her face when

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Tauri said that she would prefer

a detractor over a lifelong lover.

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No, I didn't say that.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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It came across as The thing

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Tauri Laws Phillips: that I can appreciate

is that at least these people knew those

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departments existed and were critical of

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Chris P. Reed: them.

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So I think that it's an

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Tauri Laws Phillips: interesting point

of view to at least be critical of it.

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Chris P. Reed: Okay, cool.

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Cause yeah, your face, your face, when

she said that was like, no, I want

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somebody that loves it, that educated

in it, that grew up in it and that

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wants it to be as best as it could be.

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Majken Zylik: Yeah, I respect that.

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Um, I, no, I was just saying, I

respect that we're trying to find a

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silver lining in all of this, right?

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Like, like any of this is in our

control, but I think my face was

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more about, you know, yeah, maybe she

can run a business, but do we really

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know how well she ran her business

and how many secrets did she tell?

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Turn turn her back to or how many things

did she just turn her back to that?

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She would do the same in

the department of education.

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Tauri Laws Phillips: Go ahead.

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Sorry, Tony.

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I will only say to add color.

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I think personally, Linda McMahon

is on like the fastest train to H E

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double hockey sticks upon her death.

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Like there was nothing good,

good that that woman's doing.

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However, at least she like has run

a ship before and she knows that

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the department of education exists.

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That's all.

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Sorry, right?

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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Let

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Tony Tidbit: me just let me

ask you guys this question.

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Did these people get picked

for qualifications or did they

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get picked based on loyalty?

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Mario,

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Mario Ficarra: um, I think with very

key cabinet spots, it's more loyalty.

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Something like the

Department of Education.

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Linda McMahon was already, I think, head

of the small business administration

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in the 1st Trump administration.

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Small business association is part of the

first Trump administration, I believe.

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So she already has a bit

of like administration kind

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of Washington know how.

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Right.

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Um, but I, I think, you know, not

every cabinet position is the same.

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I mean, let's be honest, secretary

of defense is much more important.

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Then, then maybe the secretary of

agriculture, but again, though,

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Tony Tidbit: my question, did they get

picked based on loyalty on qualifications

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Mario Ficarra: depends on the spot.

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I think he trumped, he chose loyalty

over qualifications and really

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important spots that he needs it.

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Tony Tidbit: Okay.

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Majken and same

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Majken Zylik: question.

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Yeah.

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Same.

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I was just going to agree with that.

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I think, you know, earlier I was.

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Someone interrupting by saying all these

people are pawns, you know, he, um, is

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expecting loyalty and he can get favors

back that he needs in the important spots.

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And maybe he's just sprinkling over

the things that are less important.

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So I agree with you.

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Tony Tidbit: Got it.

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Got it.

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Got it.

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Well, listen, here's the thing, though.

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You know, our country has

a lot of different wards.

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There's a lot of different

things that needs fixing.

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And one of them is the health care system.

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Okay.

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And then, as you guys know, back on

December 4th, Brian Thompson, who

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was the CEO, He was the CEO Of United

healthcare was in New York City for

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a conference, and then he got shot

in the back and he, he passed away.

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He was assassinated to be fair.

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Right?

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And so here's some of the things that's

been happening since his assassination.

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Now, obviously, when people are murdered.

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In cold blood, the first thing that

we all do as citizens or human beings

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is like, I can't believe that I,

my heart goes out to the family.

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You know, I, you know, now there's 2 kids.

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That's fatherless.

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There's a wife that

doesn't have a husband.

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You know, it's horrible.

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However, that has not been

the public's reaction.

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Okay.

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And so here, here's a quote that came

out of the Wall Street Journal, right?

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So thousands and thousands of people

after he was shot and murder was posting.

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I'm sorry.

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Prior authorization is required

for thoughts and prayers.

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Okay.

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There was another person who

wrote, does he have a history

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of shootings denied coverage?

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Okay.

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So instead of the public being

sympathetic to somebody being

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murdered, they're actually excited

and happy because of the situations

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that they've been dealing with when

it comes to their personal healthcare.

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So Tauri the question I have for you.

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What does that reveal about us as

human beings when somebody is murdered?

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Okay.

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But the public is excited and cheering

and actually made the, the, the

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murder suspect a hero because of the

industry that this person is in from

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his own company that he's running.

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These people feel that this

healthcare industry is so bad and

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it needs to be changed, that they're

excited that somebody murdered the

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CEO of who's leading the company.

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Tauri Laws Phillips: I think that

in the last few years, you've seen a

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change as people have died, a change

in especially, uh, millennials.

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And, uh, and younger, recognizing

the bad parts of that person's life.

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And I think that that shift in, uh, our

point of view means that how you lived

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means that then that's how you die.

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And less people are sad that you are gone

if you have affected lives in bad ways.

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And so I think kids now, uh, I'll

call them kids because I am older

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than a millennial, are not interested.

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And don't feel so bad when you die if you

legally affected the death of hundreds of

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thousands and possibly millions of people.

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There's just not, it's too bad

the way he went, is what I'm

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hearing from younger friends.

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But they are, it is a

footnote to the day for them,

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Tony Tidbit: Majken.

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And what's your thoughts on that?

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Majken Zylik: Yeah, I mean, I, I just,

I think the whole thing is wrong.

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Um, there's no answer where

somebody's assassinated.

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Um, and, you know, from what I

understand, he's been the CEO since

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2020 healthcare has been a shady

business for a very long time.

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I mean, we don't know that this

guy, you know, he's the CEO, but

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what are CEOs really doing with

the day to day and the policies?

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You know, has he, has he.

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Has he seen the numbers of

people that have been rejected?

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Maybe he has, but we don't know that

he wasn't Working like here and there

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to make some change So, um, I I think

the fact that people are calling Um,

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Luigi, a hero is just disgusting.

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Um,

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Tony Tidbit: no.

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Well, thanks Mario.

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And just so we clear his, the,

um, suspect is Luigi Mangione.

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I think that's the name of the

person who actually got arrested

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for the murder of Brian Thompson.

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Mario, what's your thoughts?

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Mario Ficarra: Obviously no

justification for murder assassination.

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Um, just to go back to Majken and

the point that you were making,

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um, you know, I don't know.

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Obviously.

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This, the CEO wasn't, you know, um,

getting up every morning and deciding,

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you know, how many people can I, you

know, sort of deny health care today.

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So, so that they can die.

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But he, it does seem like.

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When you put profit motive in front of

people's well being things like, you

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know, using a I to make your claims more

efficient and make decisions on who gets,

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you know, who gets paid and who doesn't

who gets care and who doesn't that is in,

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you know, in service of a stock price.

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Right?

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And that's kind of what he did.

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I mean, he really increased their revenue

over the last 5 years that he was CEO.

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There's a way to do it.

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Besides, right.

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Right.

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Killing the man.

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Chris P. Reed: Um,

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Mario Ficarra: you know, we are

in a really hard in society and I

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was, well, I saw something earlier.

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It was a young woman on social media.

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I came across it and she said, you

know, what do you older people expect?

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You, you had us grow up in a generation

of gun violence where you normalized it.

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I've been doing, you know, gun violence

drills since I'm a young child.

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And so, you know, that was a, a, a

sort of like a wow moment for me to go,

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yeah, you know, it kind of makes sense.

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I didn't grow up that

way, but so many kids.

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Have grown up where they've had to hide

under desks and guns are just the norm

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and seeing violence like this, they've

become pretty much desensitized to it.

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I think maybe in society, too.

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Chris P. Reed: So, so here's a

situation from a societal perspective.

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I grew up in a situation where conflict

resolution was mandated because if

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I had 6th grade, we would go to the

principal's office and they would

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say who did what and blah, blah.

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And now we're in a zero tolerance policy.

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Of the world where

everybody's getting suspended.

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Nobody's getting spoken with, nobody's

getting counseled on how to resolve

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conflict, but any idea of, and I

reject the term assassination, because

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I don't think a title gives you the

right to be considered assassinated.

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For example, if someone to

unfortunately attack Tauri and she's

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a CEO, she wasn't assassinated.

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But, but, but the reality of it is.

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You Mario Tauri, are you Majken

and are more than your employment.

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I hope, would you, would any

of you disagree with this?

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Correct.

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So, when you sign up to be the, uh,

arbiter of this employment status.

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I don't understand how that then also

aligns you with the responsibilities.

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That are held by the entire

industry or the entire company.

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Go ahead.

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Sorry,

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Tauri Laws Phillips: because you are the

CEO, my job to decide the mission, vision

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values of the organization that I lead.

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If there is something happening on

my watch that I don't know about

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that is happening consistently,

I'm reporting the numbers, but I

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don't know how the numbers came in.

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Come on now, Chris.

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Come on.

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I'm not saying any of this is

okay, but, and sorry, Tony,

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I'm interrupting you again.

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We also live in a society where

some killers are celebrated.

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Yesterday, Daniel Petty went, was invited

to a football game by the president.

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And so Some people are mad that we are

upset about this, that there's a whole

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bunch of people celebrating this killer.

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And which also, let's also separate

there's celebration and then there's just

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the feral nature of women being like,

Oh wait, he's a killer, but he's cute.

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He's cute.

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Girls are gonna be girls.

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Uh, hormones for men are the same, right?

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Listen, sir, you have how many

degrees and your family makes what?

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Why did you do that?

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You could have been the top

pick on Bumble, but I digress.

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But I just mean that like, the

callousness happens in both directions.

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So if we are upset about him, we

also, also have to recognize that

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some killers, depending on who

they killed, are celebrated by.

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The president, and given that opportunity,

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Tony Tidbit: yeah, I mean,

look, that's a good point.

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Right?

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And just so everybody's on the same page,

because obviously there could be people

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listening to this as in Des Moines, Iowa,

and doesn't know who Dan Daniel Petri is.

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Right?

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So he was somebody that

was, uh, was on the subway.

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He, uh, intervened where there

was, uh, a person on the subway

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that was acting erratically.

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He put him in a chokehold

and the guy ended up dying.

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They, they, um, basically, uh,

charged him with, I don't want

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to say murder, but manslaughter.

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And he was able to get off, right?

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And so that was the person that Tauri

was talking about that was in the

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president's box at the Army Navy game.

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Here's the thing though.

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The one thing though, I

wanted to state about this.

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Is that look, 2 things can

be right at the same time.

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Okay.

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And the 1st thing, I don't care

what the circumstances are.

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Right?

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There still is a human being that

was killed and I will use the word

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assassinated regardless of his title.

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When somebody hunts you

down because of your title.

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Okay.

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Because you're leading something

that they feel that you.

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Are affecting their lives, which at the

end of the day, when you really dive into

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the Luigi's background, here's a rich

dude, I guess we've got a back problem.

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All right.

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And that, so at the day,

but I don't want to digress.

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However, so we should be empathetic.

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That could be, you know, uh, Mario, that

could have been your wife or make Majken.

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And that could have been

your husband or Chris.

733

:

That could have been your wife, right?

734

:

If she's leading a certain

organization, right.

735

:

And she's doing what she

feels they hired her to do.

736

:

I, I w you would be upset if the

world was sending your family, you

737

:

know, social media means, and your

kids are hearing about their father

738

:

and he's just going to work every day

and then they're making fun of it.

739

:

So I, so number one, that's right.

740

:

But then the 2nd thing could be right.

741

:

We've all I don't know about you guys,

but I've had health claims claims denied.

742

:

Right?

743

:

We all think we have health

insurance through our companies.

744

:

Okay?

745

:

We think we're covered minus whatever

deductible and then all of a sudden

746

:

you get cancer or your kids get

cancer or somebody's really sick and

747

:

you need the insurance to show up.

748

:

And then all of a sudden they

say, no, Unfortunately, we're

749

:

denying that claim at the same time

where they're to Mario's point.

750

:

They're posting on the wall street

journal, their record profits.

751

:

Okay.

752

:

So wouldn't you feel in that situation?

753

:

Wait a minute.

754

:

You're going to deny my son's claim for

leukemia and say that it's not usual and

755

:

customary, but at the same time, you're

showing in my face that yours record.

756

:

Profits.

757

:

How would that person feel?

758

:

How would you feel if that was you?

759

:

So both things can be right.

760

:

It's sad in terms of where we

are from a society standpoint.

761

:

But let me just real quickly

before we move on real quick.

762

:

Based on what I said.

763

:

Mario thoughts.

764

:

Mario Ficarra: Um, it's a sad

situation and I think, you know,

765

:

it, it, it, hopefully it sparks

a much bigger conversation about

766

:

health insurance in this country.

767

:

You know, when you put profit before

people's needs, I mean, this sort of

768

:

stuff is, is inevitably going to happen.

769

:

Tony Tidbit: Yeah.

770

:

Majken Zylik: I mean the same,

it's, it's, it's, it's horrible

771

:

that it had to happen this way.

772

:

And If there was just another

way for all of us to be able to

773

:

speak up and help make change.

774

:

And I think that's part of the

reason why we're here, right?

775

:

Tony Tidbit: Exactly.

776

:

Tauri you got the last

response on this segment.

777

:

Tauri Laws Phillips: I, uh, am sorry my

mother will hear how unaffected I am.

778

:

I wish that my empathy were bigger.

779

:

Um, But I am, I'm more callous to it.

780

:

I hate the idea of vigilante justice.

781

:

I hate that.

782

:

I think the outcome will be more CEOs will

have more private security than, uh, more

783

:

CEOs being connected and more conscious.

784

:

Um, I think that a lot of CEOs

are I run an organization that

785

:

builds community for CEOs.

786

:

A lot of them are very

conscious and really care.

787

:

Uh, I think, um, I hope that this

gives people a pause to think twice

788

:

about the decisions that they make that

really affect a lot of people's lives.

789

:

Chris P. Reed: So when we talk about

affecting a lot of people's lives, no

790

:

one has a better opportunity to do so

than the president and the president

791

:

elect of the United States of America.

792

:

Recently, president elect Trump

had a statement that I found

793

:

to be very interesting and

would love you guys opinion.

794

:

Can you play that clip, Tony?

795

:

Kristen Welker-NBC News: You promised to

end birthright citizenship on day one.

796

:

Is that still your plan?

797

:

Donald Trump: Yeah, absolutely.

798

:

Kristen Welker-NBC News: Can you

get around the 14th amendment with a

799

:

Donald Trump: change?

800

:

We'll maybe have to go back to the people.

801

:

But we have to end it.

802

:

We're the only country that has it.

803

:

Through an

804

:

Kristen Welker-NBC News: executive action.

805

:

You know, we're the

806

:

Donald Trump: only country that has it.

807

:

Do you know, if somebody sets

a foot, just a foot, one foot,

808

:

you don't need two on our land.

809

:

Congratulations, you are now a citizen

of the United States of America.

810

:

Yes, we're going to end that

because it's ridiculous.

811

:

Chris P. Reed: So, so let me, let me start

with you Mario on this idea and I think

812

:

it might be hyperbolic to say 1 foot and

all of a sudden you're a citizen and you

813

:

get a social security number and all the

rights reserved to American citizenship.

814

:

But the idea of day 1, this is 1 to

prioritize dynamics of, uh, his, his

815

:

reign, um, is the United States still

considering itself a nation of immigrants?

816

:

Mario Ficarra: I mean, I think he

shouldn't define what we are, right?

817

:

And I think he is, um, he's doing a good

job of giving his base what they want.

818

:

I think immigration

is, is a, is a problem.

819

:

Like we have many other problems

in this country and I think he

820

:

is handling it in bad faith.

821

:

And I think this country

is a country of immigrants.

822

:

It will always be a country of immigrants.

823

:

Um, and I think it's part of

why this country is great.

824

:

Um, his mother was an immigrant.

825

:

His, uh, forget, you know,

forget, forget, right.

826

:

His wife is an immigrant.

827

:

His first wife was an immigrant.

828

:

Um, you know, his mistresses, his

mistress, you know, so, you know, and,

829

:

and he's used a lot of, he's used a lot

of undocumented labor that he didn't

830

:

pay over the course of his, you know,

real estate life, this stuff is well

831

:

documented, um, but he's done a really

good job of pulling the wool over

832

:

people's eyes and he's had the help

of a right wing media echo chamber.

833

:

Um, that's done a really good job

over the last 20 to 25 years of,

834

:

of giving people a steady diet of.

835

:

Uh, fear mongering and stuff they

want to hear that's not based on fact.

836

:

It's just based on feeling and

a lot of, you know, kernels of

837

:

truth that are just blown out to

be, um, you know, fabrications.

838

:

Chris P. Reed: So, Tauri I'll

extend the same question to you.

839

:

The United States still consider

itself a nation of immigrants.

840

:

Are we still taking people's hungry and

tired and disenfranchised and proudly or

841

:

should we turn out a Statue of Liberty?

842

:

Tauri Laws Phillips: Can you

say that with a straight place?

843

:

You can't even say that

with a straight face.

844

:

No, no, absolutely not.

845

:

We are not a nation of

immigrants any longer.

846

:

We are a nation that prizes

the immigrants we choose.

847

:

And I, uh, yeah, I have so

many thoughts and feelings.

848

:

Um, I think that a lot of people fall

into, uh, perfectionism for which

849

:

immigrants are exceptional, and which,

who's the exception, and who's the, what's

850

:

the ideal idea of what an immigrant is.

851

:

And I think we'll always have

immigration for those people.

852

:

And I think if, uh, there's something

that makes you undesirable, you

853

:

will not have the opportunity.

854

:

And I also think that, uh, his

plans will not go as expected.

855

:

Chris P. Reed: Majken, and do you have any

fear that his plans will go as expected?

856

:

Do you still think we're

a nation of immigrants?

857

:

Because some people that I know that I'm

close to can still trace their heritage

858

:

back to my grandmother, you know, came

here, didn't speak English, blah, blah,

859

:

blah, blah, blah, so on and so forth.

860

:

And that become part

of the American story.

861

:

So do you feel like this is a good

thing for him to be focused on day one?

862

:

Because he did say in the clip day one.

863

:

Majken Zylik: I know.

864

:

So I, as, as So the answer is, I

think he's trying to make the point

865

:

that we are not going to be in

the future a country of immigrants

866

:

with making a statement like that.

867

:

And, but the one thing I think with Trump

is he makes these sweeping statements.

868

:

Um, most of them don't make any

sense, and he doesn't even know

869

:

how he's going to get to a goal.

870

:

Um, so I think that's, Just

something to please his

871

:

followers and keep people happy.

872

:

I think we'll see if that

comes, comes to be true.

873

:

I don't think that's going to

happen on day one, especially.

874

:

Chris P. Reed: Well, let me compound

this really quickly with the ability

875

:

or the desire to ratify amendments.

876

:

Do you think it's going to

stop with the 14th amendment?

877

:

Majken Zylik: I mean, it's going to be.

878

:

I think it's going to

snowball if it does do that.

879

:

Right.

880

:

I mean, it's not going to end there.

881

:

It's just the same thing as

taking rights away from women

882

:

and taking rights away from LGBTQ

plus it's just going to continue.

883

:

And that I think was partly the

reason of being sad when he was.

884

:

You know what?

885

:

All right.

886

:

All of those things.

887

:

Tony Tidbit: Right.

888

:

You know, one of the things most

people don't know is that the 14th

889

:

amendment, the birthright citizenship

was enacted in the 14th amendment

890

:

because it was really about slavery.

891

:

Because after the civil war, after

the 13th amendment, when, um,

892

:

African Americans were free, no.

893

:

They were not citizens.

894

:

Okay.

895

:

So the 14th amendment was enacted to

say that anybody born here is a citizen.

896

:

That really was because of slavery.

897

:

That's the reason why we have the

14th amendment and all the other

898

:

things that fall under it from due

process, the light, the right to defend

899

:

yourself, the right, all those things.

900

:

Came about of the 14th amendment, and

then the 14th amendment, other groups

901

:

started using the 14th amendment to

become citizens here in the United States.

902

:

You had the Chinese.

903

:

You had a bunch of other groups

that was doing that as well.

904

:

So they were able to use that amendment.

905

:

To say, hey, if I have

kids here, I am a citizen.

906

:

So for somebody all of a sudden to

jump up and basically say, we're going

907

:

to get rid of that, which to be fair

there, that's why it's an amendment.

908

:

Okay.

909

:

So you would have to go to Congress.

910

:

So there's a million steps that

has to be, um, um, um, that you

911

:

have to do for it to happen.

912

:

But what really bothers me is

because majority of people don't

913

:

know what the 14th amendment is.

914

:

Why it was established.

915

:

And now he wants to use it to

specifically target immigrants.

916

:

Okay.

917

:

Where it was first for African Americans

and then immigrants was able to use it.

918

:

All the other cultures that are here

today is because of the 14th amendment.

919

:

So my question to you, going back to

you, Majken, some people I've chatted

920

:

with, they've said the reason that he's.

921

:

He wants to do this because, again,

one of the things in the next 20,

922

:

30 years, the United States, from

a population standpoint, will be

923

:

a population of people of color.

924

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925

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927

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928

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929

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930

:

Tony Tidbit: Okay, they will people of

color will out populate white people.

931

:

So, 1 of the things that 1 of the things

that you hear in the stratosphere, this

932

:

is 1 of the things that he's trying

to do, because if you can eliminate

933

:

immigrants here, other forms of

people, people of color, then it kind

934

:

of, which is still wouldn't matter.

935

:

But still, then you kind of

subtract or pull back in terms of.

936

:

Uh, traditional white Americans being

the dominant, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

937

:

demographic here in the United States.

938

:

What's your thoughts on that?

939

:

Majken Zylik: Um, I mean, if

that's really what he's thinking

940

:

that that's just insane.

941

:

Um, you know, if that's the

case, then we should just start

942

:

making it illegal to have babies.

943

:

I don't know.

944

:

Like, you know, it just seems a little

absurd and that point of view before.

945

:

So that's interesting.

946

:

Tony Tidbit: Mario, your thoughts.

947

:

Mario Ficarra: I think that there is,

um, there's a lot of this, that is him.

948

:

That's how he truly feels.

949

:

I think a lot of this is him going

along with folks in an administration,

950

:

like a Stephen Miller folks who

put together project:

951

:

Um, you know, the denials about

project:

952

:

with that are really laughable.

953

:

I mean, a lot of people in his

administration, the architect of

954

:

project 2025, Stephen Miller being

1 of them, and he's notorious for

955

:

his speech writing and what he and

his rhetoric around immigration.

956

:

I mean, he's a real.

957

:

aggressive hardliner on this stuff.

958

:

I mean, he wants to, um, he wants to,

um, uh, deport, you know, anybody.

959

:

Anybody who is not, um, who's not

here legally and if you're, you know,

960

:

with your family members, they're

going to, and it's, and it's, um, you

961

:

know, I think just the idea that he,

he's saying these things, um, it is a

962

:

result of, and in, and in reaction to,

you know, um, this nation becoming a

963

:

bit more darker, um, and that's been

documented since Obama became president.

964

:

There's a lot of writing on

this and a lot of research.

965

:

Um, Yeah, it's it's um, it's it's him.

966

:

This is who he is as a person.

967

:

There's documentation on that too.

968

:

There's research that you know, this who's

been since the days in the 70s of real

969

:

estate, you know, dealings and not giving

people apartments because of the color

970

:

of their skin marking their application.

971

:

See, I mean, this is part and parcel

of who Donald Trump is the the Central

972

:

Park five and this is not really

far from who he is as a person,

973

:

Tony Tidbit: right?

974

:

Mario Ficarra: Do I you know, I think

he has much hard line people much

975

:

more hard line Hard line people with

him extreme people with him then he's

976

:

going along with a lot of that stuff,

977

:

Chris P. Reed: right?

978

:

Let me let me ask let me piggyback

before you get in Tauri Richard Nixon

979

:

was demonized as a crooked Person or

crooked president, but at no point in

980

:

time in my history books, did it say

that it then cast aspersions on the

981

:

United States of America as a crooked

country, but it appears as if in some

982

:

of our conversation, we are aligning

Donald Trump as a personality to our

983

:

representation as citizens of the country,

meaning his pet projects or his, uh,

984

:

intimate thoughts or beliefs are now

casting aspersions on us as a nation.

985

:

Do you is that what you're saying?

986

:

Mario

987

:

repeat that again.

988

:

I'm sorry.

989

:

So basically you're saying

that he this is how he is.

990

:

This is who he is.

991

:

This is what he believes.

992

:

Yeah.

993

:

And therefore we're going to go

along as a country with his personal

994

:

feelings and his personal rhetoric.

995

:

Mario Ficarra: I think a lot

of the country aligns with

996

:

his feelings in his personal.

997

:

Oh, yeah.

998

:

Sure.

999

:

There's percentages.

:

00:52:43,245 --> 00:52:44,865

You could apply it to

the reason why he won.

:

00:52:45,345 --> 00:52:48,735

But I think he is a reflection of

a lot of the values in this country

:

00:52:48,735 --> 00:52:50,145

of a lot of people in this country.

:

00:52:50,425 --> 00:52:55,325

I mean, sad to say, I think some of

it has been brought on over the last,

:

00:52:55,435 --> 00:52:59,115

like I said, 20 to 25 years with a

steady diet of being lied to a lot

:

00:52:59,115 --> 00:53:01,645

of the time, you know, and that.

:

00:53:01,970 --> 00:53:04,790

Is coupled with an education

system that isn't giving people

:

00:53:05,230 --> 00:53:06,830

enough civic education, right?

:

00:53:06,830 --> 00:53:09,220

Enough, enough critical

thinking skills, right?

:

00:53:09,220 --> 00:53:12,400

Like, to be able to not just take

what you, what you hear and go

:

00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,660

with it, but to be able to kind of

like parse through all that stuff.

:

00:53:14,660 --> 00:53:17,200

So it's like a much bigger, I think, uh,

:

00:53:18,060 --> 00:53:19,060

Tony Tidbit: Right, right.

:

00:53:19,250 --> 00:53:20,140

Tauri last thought.

:

00:53:20,620 --> 00:53:22,400

Tauri Laws Phillips: It

is all by design, Mark.

:

00:53:23,850 --> 00:53:30,650

So, uh, if you, exactly what you're saying

is you couple a lack of media literacy,

:

00:53:30,690 --> 00:53:32,794

you couple the inability to think.

:

00:53:32,835 --> 00:53:35,795

Think and compute with nuance.

:

00:53:36,165 --> 00:53:45,335

And then you look at a growing, a growing

class of people who are black, brown, and

:

00:53:45,375 --> 00:53:48,945

immigrants, uh, moving up in the world.

:

00:53:49,625 --> 00:53:53,205

And a large number of people

who have been stagnant, thinking

:

00:53:53,205 --> 00:53:54,645

that they have lost something.

:

00:53:54,645 --> 00:53:58,855

So I've said this for a long time, that

when you are looking left and right,

:

00:53:58,885 --> 00:54:03,215

and suddenly, the people who you think

are supposed to be behind you are moving

:

00:54:03,215 --> 00:54:07,345

ahead of you, you think you've lost

ground, and you simply have not moved.

:

00:54:07,685 --> 00:54:12,445

And when people then have the opportunity

to blame that on someone, There's

:

00:54:12,495 --> 00:54:15,855

all like the pendulum is going to

swing in one direction or the next.

:

00:54:15,995 --> 00:54:20,715

And so I think, um, you look at

what's happening now and wow, it looks

:

00:54:20,715 --> 00:54:22,685

just like the tea party movement.

:

00:54:23,575 --> 00:54:28,805

The tea party was seen as like fringes

and they were just the crazies and they've

:

00:54:28,805 --> 00:54:32,655

just slowly, slowly become so normalized.

:

00:54:33,045 --> 00:54:36,035

And then when you have

tax policies that allow.

:

00:54:36,610 --> 00:54:41,080

The upper class to go, Oh, my

pockets, they will look past.

:

00:54:41,090 --> 00:54:46,920

It's the ability to look past all of the

bad stuff, if it benefits you in some way.

:

00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,310

And so that's how you're

able to call together a large

:

00:54:51,310 --> 00:54:52,660

portion of the population.

:

00:54:52,885 --> 00:54:56,335

And so it's either the people

who agree or it benefits them.

:

00:54:57,425 --> 00:54:59,665

Mario Ficarra: Sorry, I didn't mean

to cut you off, but I just wanted to

:

00:54:59,675 --> 00:55:02,235

add that, you know, that that whole

tea party movement was, was really

:

00:55:02,235 --> 00:55:05,505

something that people said was this,

you know, uh, economic movement, right?

:

00:55:05,505 --> 00:55:08,665

Like, you know, it was like, you know,

the giving a fair shake to the regular

:

00:55:08,665 --> 00:55:12,535

person, but there was so much racism

in all of that movement, the signs of

:

00:55:12,535 --> 00:55:16,725

the Obama faces and you know, that,

that you just can't get away from that.

:

00:55:17,015 --> 00:55:19,245

And so it's part and parcel of that too.

:

00:55:19,245 --> 00:55:21,805

And, and, and that is a big

part of what's going on now.

:

00:55:21,805 --> 00:55:24,295

It's, it's the, It's the

point in the figure at people

:

00:55:24,295 --> 00:55:25,145

who are crossing the border.

:

00:55:25,145 --> 00:55:26,675

And by the way, it's, that's an issue.

:

00:55:26,675 --> 00:55:28,625

Migrate, you know, illegal

immigration is an issue.

:

00:55:28,675 --> 00:55:30,065

Migration to the country is an issue.

:

00:55:30,245 --> 00:55:31,165

We have to solve that.

:

00:55:31,165 --> 00:55:32,465

It's been broken for years.

:

00:55:32,535 --> 00:55:33,735

It's been broken for years.

:

00:55:33,855 --> 00:55:35,085

It didn't happen yesterday.

:

00:55:35,085 --> 00:55:35,425

Right.

:

00:55:35,845 --> 00:55:39,095

So, you know, and, and,

and let's not even get.

:

00:55:39,235 --> 00:55:41,675

Let's not even talk about the,

the, the bipartisan border bill

:

00:55:41,675 --> 00:55:42,735

that was going to be passed.

:

00:55:42,945 --> 00:55:43,345

Right.

:

00:55:43,345 --> 00:55:44,785

But he put, he put the kibosh on that.

:

00:55:44,785 --> 00:55:49,035

So, so you never operating in good faith,

always, always using the rhetoric by

:

00:55:49,035 --> 00:55:52,995

design, always just carefully kind of

like crafting the speeches so that they're

:

00:55:52,995 --> 00:55:55,155

really appealing to people's basis fears.

:

00:55:55,445 --> 00:55:56,405

It's all of that.

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00:55:56,485 --> 00:55:57,235

It's all right.

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00:55:57,395 --> 00:55:57,765

Chris P. Reed: Right.

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00:55:58,675 --> 00:56:02,815

We're allowing personal initiatives

and agendas to bleed into.

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00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:07,650

Policy in the way in which we

see ourselves as a nation, and

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00:56:07,660 --> 00:56:09,170

that's where my fear comes in.

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00:56:09,380 --> 00:56:11,740

And Tony, I know you're going to

speak about that personalization

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00:56:11,740 --> 00:56:13,610

of policies and using power.

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00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:14,190

Yeah,

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00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,330

Tony Tidbit: so here's the thing,

though, one of the things that, you

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00:56:17,330 --> 00:56:21,460

know, and obviously, you know, we

have to recognize that a lot of times,

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00:56:21,460 --> 00:56:26,700

whoever's in power has the ability

to abuse power, even though they say.

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00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,630

That they're not going to abuse power.

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00:56:30,930 --> 00:56:34,340

David Muir-ABC News: Let me ask you,

will you accept the jury's outcome,

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00:56:34,340 --> 00:56:36,010

their verdict, no matter what it is?

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00:56:36,170 --> 00:56:36,680

President Joe Biden: Yes.

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00:56:37,330 --> 00:56:39,210

David Muir-ABC News: And have you

ruled out a pardon for your son?

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00:56:39,570 --> 00:56:40,190

President Joe Biden: Yes.

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00:56:40,540 --> 00:56:41,050

David Muir-ABC News: You have.

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00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,360

President Joe Biden: That I'm

not going to do anything I said.

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00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:48,540

I abide by the jury decision and I

will do that and I will not pardon him.

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00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,500

NBC News Anchor: We are coming on

the air with breaking news tonight.

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00:56:51,500 --> 00:56:55,880

President Biden has made a decision

to pardon his son, Hunter, ahead of

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00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,750

the transfer of power to President

elect Donald Trump, according to

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00:56:59,750 --> 00:57:03,120

a senior White House official with

direct knowledge of the decision.

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00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,890

Tony Tidbit: So back in June

4th, when Hunter Biden was

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00:57:06,980 --> 00:57:09,390

convicted for numerous crimes.

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00:57:09,785 --> 00:57:13,885

The president went on date on ABC

News with David Muir, as you heard in

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00:57:13,885 --> 00:57:16,735

that clip and was asked point blank.

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00:57:16,945 --> 00:57:19,465

Would he because he

has as being president.

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00:57:19,625 --> 00:57:22,595

He has the ability to pardon

anyone, including his son.

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00:57:23,015 --> 00:57:24,555

And he said, no, right?

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00:57:24,555 --> 00:57:25,495

I will not do it.

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00:57:25,885 --> 00:57:31,235

And then he said, I abide by the, the,

the rule of the jury and I will not.

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00:57:31,470 --> 00:57:37,470

But then just a few weeks ago, he

flips the script and he pardons him.

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00:57:37,950 --> 00:57:38,410

Okay.

:

00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,450

Now we just got finished

talking about Trump.

:

00:57:40,510 --> 00:57:41,440

Let's be fair.

:

00:57:42,170 --> 00:57:45,610

We just got finished talking about him

in his cabinet picks and his, his, his

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00:57:45,610 --> 00:57:47,570

mindset, and he's looking for loyalty.

:

00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:52,890

We talked about the, the birthright

debate and you know, this is who he is.

:

00:57:52,900 --> 00:57:53,920

Now let's flip it.

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00:57:54,835 --> 00:57:55,395

Okay.

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00:57:55,395 --> 00:57:57,895

I love to hear your

thoughts on what Biden did.

:

00:57:58,215 --> 00:58:04,375

And more importantly, does that erode

the confidence of the American citizen?

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00:58:04,775 --> 00:58:08,685

Because now it seems like it really

doesn't matter who's in charge,

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00:58:09,025 --> 00:58:11,175

that if the person has the power,

they can do what they want to do.

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00:58:11,425 --> 00:58:12,245

Majken, can I go to you?

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00:58:13,575 --> 00:58:13,885

Majken Zylik: Yeah.

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00:58:13,935 --> 00:58:15,775

You know, this is a good one.

:

00:58:15,805 --> 00:58:20,045

I, I, I think the psych, the

psychologist in me is thinking,

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00:58:20,045 --> 00:58:22,225

well, you know, I don't care anymore.

:

00:58:22,275 --> 00:58:24,035

I'm out, I'm old.

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00:58:24,605 --> 00:58:25,875

My party's not winning.

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00:58:26,345 --> 00:58:32,945

And Somebody like Trump goes

against his word often and

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00:58:32,945 --> 00:58:34,005

does things that he shouldn't.

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00:58:34,005 --> 00:58:34,305

So.

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00:58:34,655 --> 00:58:35,425

Why can't I?

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00:58:35,875 --> 00:58:41,625

Um, so I'm not surprised that this

happened and I, it's also the case where

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00:58:41,625 --> 00:58:47,935

now he can do that and it doesn't, if

people are losing respect for people in

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00:58:47,935 --> 00:58:49,825

power, I think that's already happened.

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00:58:49,985 --> 00:58:53,565

So he's got nothing to

lose really is the answer.

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00:58:53,625 --> 00:58:55,655

And he gains his son.

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00:58:56,035 --> 00:58:57,745

Tony Tidbit: Let me, let me push

back on that for a little bit.

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00:58:57,795 --> 00:58:58,035

Right.

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00:58:58,035 --> 00:59:01,475

And, and, and, and Majken, excuse me,

and Tauri I'll come to you on this,

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00:59:01,475 --> 00:59:02,605

but I'd love to hear your response.

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00:59:02,665 --> 00:59:04,135

And Tauri I want to hear your response.

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00:59:04,825 --> 00:59:07,565

So, Is this the president of myself?

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00:59:08,310 --> 00:59:10,440

Or is this the president

of the United States?

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00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:15,760

Is it about doing what's best for

me and my family, or is it about

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00:59:15,770 --> 00:59:18,390

doing what's best for the country?

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00:59:18,700 --> 00:59:19,980

Now we ripped Trump.

:

00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:21,070

Let's be fair.

:

00:59:21,710 --> 00:59:22,620

He's selfish.

:

00:59:22,620 --> 00:59:23,610

He wants loyalty.

:

00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,450

He's all about himself.

:

00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:26,260

Right.

:

00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:30,080

Which is not about the

people it's about him.

:

00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:32,210

Now Biden's doing the same thing.

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00:59:32,210 --> 00:59:33,620

So what's your thoughts on that?

:

00:59:33,620 --> 00:59:36,970

Because it shouldn't be about, well, I

should be able to do what I want to do.

:

00:59:36,970 --> 00:59:37,960

Or, you know what, I'm old.

:

00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,080

I'm about to get out of here.

:

00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,990

So it should be about the people.

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00:59:43,500 --> 00:59:43,980

Tauri?

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00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:52,870

Tauri Laws Phillips: If Hunter had

been, uh, had had the same shake

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00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:58,310

as everybody else who did his

exact crimes and he was pardoned.

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I would have maybe a different opinion.

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01:00:01,705 --> 01:00:02,665

Tony Tidbit: Emma, hold on, stop a second.

:

01:00:02,995 --> 01:00:06,305

I just want to, when you said the

same shake, like, what do you mean?

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01:00:06,535 --> 01:00:09,965

Tauri Laws Phillips: If he, other

people who have committed the

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01:00:09,965 --> 01:00:17,395

exact same crimes as his are rarely

brought to court, specifically for

:

01:00:17,395 --> 01:00:20,955

those charges, unless they are in

conjunction with other charges.

:

01:00:20,965 --> 01:00:25,465

So like, if you get stopped speeding

and you don't have your driver's

:

01:00:25,465 --> 01:00:29,845

license, they'll pop you for speeding

and not having your driver's license.

:

01:00:30,245 --> 01:00:33,865

But you never get a ticket for just

not having your driver's license

:

01:00:33,865 --> 01:00:38,275

because they needed some reason to

stop you in order to tack that on.

:

01:00:38,885 --> 01:00:41,145

They're not just checking

driver's licenses.

:

01:00:41,685 --> 01:00:45,825

So people who get his type of

charges are typically add on

:

01:00:45,835 --> 01:00:48,135

charges because nobody would know.

:

01:00:49,265 --> 01:00:57,765

He has gone through years of this and

has been made an example of, which sucks.

:

01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:05,820

Now, does, do I think in my heart

of hearts that if he were in jail

:

01:01:05,850 --> 01:01:09,490

on the first day of the Trump

administration, or any day of the Trump

:

01:01:09,490 --> 01:01:11,420

administration, that he would be safe?

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01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:12,270

No.

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01:01:13,980 --> 01:01:18,080

I think he's been made an example

multiple times, and I'm not interested

:

01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:22,070

in him being the first one at

whatever guillotine they come up with.

:

01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:28,260

If we go in that direction, I think

of the Romanoffs at the end of the war

:

01:01:28,700 --> 01:01:32,470

and what happened to, like, we still,

there's cartoons about Anastasia.

:

01:01:32,500 --> 01:01:37,380

This is Russian history for those

that are not as big of a nerd as I am.

:

01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,330

Chris P. Reed: And I think, I

:

01:01:39,330 --> 01:01:40,920

Tauri Laws Phillips: think hi nerds.

:

01:01:41,230 --> 01:01:45,350

Um, I think you took care of

your kid and I don't care if it

:

01:01:45,350 --> 01:01:47,160

makes it to tomorrow's new cycle.

:

01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:50,610

Like, I, I think we are so calloused.

:

01:01:51,700 --> 01:01:56,370

That it's like, to me, it's like

the moment when, uh, Biden curses

:

01:01:56,370 --> 01:01:59,070

and somebody catches it on a

microphone and everybody's like, ha,

:

01:02:00,090 --> 01:02:00,240

Tony Tidbit: but

:

01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:00,900

Tauri Laws Phillips: here, here's, yeah.

:

01:02:01,260 --> 01:02:02,490

I just, I literally,

:

01:02:02,495 --> 01:02:03,060

Tony Tidbit: here's the thing though.

:

01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:03,810

Here's the thing though.

:

01:02:03,810 --> 01:02:04,805

I have to push back.

:

01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,060

I mean, some don't, your word has

to stand for something though, here.

:

01:02:10,060 --> 01:02:10,061

Right.

:

01:02:11,620 --> 01:02:14,530

And so, so now, so now

we're in a country Yes.

:

01:02:14,530 --> 01:02:17,470

Where I abide by the rule of law.

:

01:02:18,350 --> 01:02:21,750

Now, if Kamala, Kamala, just be fair.

:

01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,370

So what I'm hearing is if Kamala

became president, he would have

:

01:02:25,370 --> 01:02:26,800

been okay with him going to prison.

:

01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:32,130

But now because Trump is the president,

I can't have my son in prison.

:

01:02:32,130 --> 01:02:33,050

So I'm going to let him go.

:

01:02:33,050 --> 01:02:33,340

Right.

:

01:02:33,530 --> 01:02:35,680

So it's not about.

:

01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:36,380

Country.

:

01:02:36,410 --> 01:02:39,440

It's about what's best for me regardless.

:

01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:44,390

And no matter what somebody's word, even

as being the president of the United

:

01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:46,660

States, your word doesn't mean nothing.

:

01:02:46,940 --> 01:02:47,350

Right?

:

01:02:47,410 --> 01:02:52,030

So if we have that type of

setup, so how can you feel?

:

01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:55,010

So think about the people that

we sit back here and said,

:

01:02:55,020 --> 01:02:56,430

Trump said this, he did that.

:

01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,080

He did this knowing that he's lying.

:

01:02:58,595 --> 01:02:58,895

Okay.

:

01:02:58,895 --> 01:03:02,755

About a lot of different things,

but guess what his people say?

:

01:03:02,755 --> 01:03:03,535

Oh, no, he's not.

:

01:03:03,535 --> 01:03:04,925

He's this and that on our yards.

:

01:03:04,925 --> 01:03:07,925

But then, you know, my mother

taught me this a long time ago.

:

01:03:08,275 --> 01:03:09,025

Two wrongs.

:

01:03:09,025 --> 01:03:09,815

Don't make a right.

:

01:03:10,355 --> 01:03:10,855

Tauri Laws Phillips: Okay.

:

01:03:10,945 --> 01:03:11,595

Tony Tidbit: But today

:

01:03:11,595 --> 01:03:14,045

Mario Ficarra: it

:

01:03:14,125 --> 01:03:16,575

Tauri Laws Phillips: doesn't

make it right, but what it does,

:

01:03:16,955 --> 01:03:18,545

Tony, and here's the thing.

:

01:03:18,655 --> 01:03:25,085

It is also the, what he issued is

also preemptive of future charges.

:

01:03:27,715 --> 01:03:28,345

Tony Tidbit: So listen,

:

01:03:29,025 --> 01:03:33,155

Tauri Laws Phillips: and he needs to,

I think that specifically, there's

:

01:03:33,155 --> 01:03:39,265

a long list of people who need the

same preemptive charges because I

:

01:03:39,275 --> 01:03:47,255

do not in any way, like, no, he, he

cannot trust, like, he has to move

:

01:03:47,255 --> 01:03:49,965

forward with what we know about Trump.

:

01:03:50,700 --> 01:03:54,350

And who Trump says are

his, or who he looks up to.

:

01:03:54,640 --> 01:04:00,820

And he looks up to a lot of people

that love to, that have, that dole out

:

01:04:00,850 --> 01:04:02,930

executions in a lot of terrible ways.

:

01:04:03,610 --> 01:04:07,900

And I think that all of us who are sad.

:

01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,080

Saddened by him making that move.

:

01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:15,320

If that's a part of his legacy,

it will be a part of his legacy,

:

01:04:15,340 --> 01:04:17,600

just as many things will be.

:

01:04:17,980 --> 01:04:24,550

But I think if the next four years becomes

as dark as they could be, we will be

:

01:04:24,550 --> 01:04:29,690

happy that there will be one less person

that we will see go in a terrible way.

:

01:04:30,250 --> 01:04:35,404

So I think, I think the argument now will

be, will net out differently 10 years from

:

01:04:35,404 --> 01:04:35,617

Chris P. Reed: now.

:

01:04:35,617 --> 01:04:38,010

And Mario, I know you're going to

get a chance to answer this question,

:

01:04:38,700 --> 01:04:43,330

Are you at all evaluating the fact

that Trump attempted to do the same

:

01:04:43,340 --> 01:04:46,100

thing on record for him and his

children prior to leaving office?

:

01:04:46,700 --> 01:04:48,560

And everybody was cool with that.

:

01:04:48,570 --> 01:04:52,420

But now that Biden has done it actively

for his son, it is the worst, most

:

01:04:52,420 --> 01:04:55,160

heinous thing that could have occurred

because it's the same playbook.

:

01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:55,640

Mario Ficarra: Yeah.

:

01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,850

I think, I think it's,

you know, it's ridiculous.

:

01:04:57,850 --> 01:05:03,260

There's always a, you know, there's

always, it feels like the Democrats

:

01:05:03,260 --> 01:05:05,830

are never playing on the same

playing field as, as a Republicans

:

01:05:05,830 --> 01:05:07,350

when it comes to this stuff, right.

:

01:05:07,350 --> 01:05:09,965

It's, um, So we scrutinize

a little bit differently.

:

01:05:10,154 --> 01:05:11,395

I don't think he should

have said anything.

:

01:05:11,485 --> 01:05:13,415

I don't think he should

have committed to anything.

:

01:05:13,425 --> 01:05:17,845

I think he should have told David

that he, I think he was advised

:

01:05:17,875 --> 01:05:21,755

poorly on the whole thing and I

don't blame him for pardoning him.

:

01:05:22,165 --> 01:05:24,595

I do think it's a very real thing

that there are people coming into

:

01:05:24,595 --> 01:05:29,325

this administration who wouldn't

handle this case and, you know, a way

:

01:05:29,325 --> 01:05:32,505

that maybe a Harris administration

would have to go to Tauri.

:

01:05:32,805 --> 01:05:37,555

I do think that I he's a dad.

:

01:05:37,900 --> 01:05:41,680

Um, there have been many reports

of how, how much he's affected by

:

01:05:41,690 --> 01:05:46,500

bows, you know, battling with, with

drugs and alcohol and the behavior.

:

01:05:46,930 --> 01:05:49,779

Um, it's, it's sort of been like

an albatross around his neck.

:

01:05:50,450 --> 01:05:53,310

Um, and this is just a very

real thing for a father.

:

01:05:53,610 --> 01:05:53,990

Got it.

:

01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:54,800

That's what I think it is.

:

01:05:55,100 --> 01:05:57,320

Tony Tidbit: So let's do this

because we're running out of time.

:

01:05:57,500 --> 01:05:59,760

I want everybody to go around

and give their final thoughts.

:

01:05:59,770 --> 01:06:00,910

I want you to keep it tight though.

:

01:06:00,910 --> 01:06:01,340

Right?

:

01:06:01,710 --> 01:06:04,320

So I'll start with you,

Majken, and final thoughts.

:

01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:05,760

What do you want to leave the audience?

:

01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:12,480

Majken Zylik: Let's keep having these

conversations because, um, you know, I, I,

:

01:06:12,810 --> 01:06:15,630

I'm learning a lot being with everybody.

:

01:06:15,630 --> 01:06:16,770

So I really appreciate it.

:

01:06:16,770 --> 01:06:18,020

And we just have to keep it going.

:

01:06:19,050 --> 01:06:19,610

Tony Tidbit: Awesome.

:

01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:20,250

Tori

:

01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:28,330

Tauri Laws Phillips: final thought

will be to pay attention to how

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01:06:28,350 --> 01:06:30,410

what is promised is carried out.

:

01:06:31,090 --> 01:06:37,250

And, uh, who it really affects

because, uh, it'll be there.

:

01:06:37,620 --> 01:06:40,700

We have a lot of interesting

documenTauries ahead of us.

:

01:06:41,330 --> 01:06:41,820

Tony Tidbit: Got it.

:

01:06:42,100 --> 01:06:43,500

Mario final word, buddy.

:

01:06:44,290 --> 01:06:46,920

Mario Ficarra: Keep having these

conversations with people that you

:

01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,610

don't necessarily agree with, um,

doing respectfully and expect the

:

01:06:50,620 --> 01:06:54,350

unexpected with this administration,

um, expect them to do things that

:

01:06:54,350 --> 01:06:55,370

they're saying they're going to do.

:

01:06:57,550 --> 01:06:58,140

Tony Tidbit: All right.

:

01:06:58,180 --> 01:07:00,760

Well, look, number one, we want

to thank you guys for joining.

:

01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:01,670

Pull up, speak up.

:

01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:02,930

This has been fantastic.

:

01:07:02,940 --> 01:07:04,500

Love to hear your perspectives.

:

01:07:04,750 --> 01:07:06,990

We want you guys to sit tight

because you're going to help

:

01:07:06,990 --> 01:07:09,210

us with BEP's call to action.

:

01:07:09,210 --> 01:07:11,920

So I think it's now time for Tony's

:

01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:12,700

tidbit.

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01:07:12,990 --> 01:07:13,590

All right.

:

01:07:13,590 --> 01:07:18,360

And so it's Tony's tidbit time and the

tidbit today, our strength as a nation

:

01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:24,205

lies in our ability to listen, Learn and

grow together, fueled by the courage to

:

01:07:24,205 --> 01:07:32,325

speak up when silence feels easier and

to make space for voices often unheard.

:

01:07:32,695 --> 01:07:37,245

And you heard a lot of that today

from Majken and Tauri and Mario.

:

01:07:37,455 --> 01:07:41,875

So really appreciate them coming in to

pull up, speak up, listen, learning.

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And as Majken and I said

in her final thoughts.

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She learned a lot today as I have as well.

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Chris P. Reed: We have

additional segments on the Black

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Executive Perspective Podcast.

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One of them is Need to Know with Dr.

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Nsenga Burton.

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Each week, Dr.

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01:07:55,645 --> 01:07:59,515

Nsenga Burton brings her perspective

and her information, her education

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and her passion to a segment that

helps us learn more about ourselves

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and how we fit into this society.

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Make sure that you tune

in to Need to Know.

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But Dr.

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Nsenga Burton, you don't want to miss it.

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Tony Tidbit: Absolutely.

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You don't want to miss it.

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And I hope you enjoyed today's

Pull Up, Speak Up episode.

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Assassination, citizenship, and clemency.

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01:08:18,380 --> 01:08:20,270

America at a crossroads.

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Chris P. Reed: We'll be remiss

if we didn't finish with our

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passion, which is our call to

action, that we incorporate less.

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Our goal here is to eliminate all forms

of discrimination and to achieve this

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by asking everyone to embrace less.

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L E S S.

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Majken, kick us off, please.

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Majken Zylik: Sure.

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So the L stands for educate yourself on

racial and racial and cultural nuances.

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And I would add to that, just learn,

educate yourself on the world around you.

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Understand your own biases as a

person because they do come into play.

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Just take in everything.

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Mario Ficarra: And E is for empathy,

which means being open to understanding

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diverse views and opinions.

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And

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Tauri Laws Phillips:

the S stands for share.

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Share your insights and enlighten others.

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Do it kindly.

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Good.

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Tony Tidbit: Exactly.

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And the final S stands for stop.

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We want to actively, you want

to actively stop discrimination

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as it walks in your path.

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So if uncle Jones says something

at the Thanksgiving table, you say,

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01:09:20,785 --> 01:09:24,545

uncle Joe, uncle Joe say some of the

Thanksgiving table, that's inappropriate.

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01:09:24,805 --> 01:09:26,895

You say, uncle Joe, we don't believe that.

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We don't say that.

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And you stop it right there.

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So if everyone can incorporate less.

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L E S S will build a more fair, more

understanding world, and more importantly,

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We'll all see the change that we want

to see because less will become more.

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Chris P. Reed: We want to remind

you to enjoy this episode, tune

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into previous episodes and make

sure that you look forward to new

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episodes that we'll be producing.

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Go to the website, sign

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exec for our fabulous round table.

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01:10:19,825 --> 01:10:23,005

Majken Zylic Tauri Laws Phillips.

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Mario Ficarra.

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01:10:25,370 --> 01:10:30,750

Really appreciate them being here for

my, the co host with the most Chris P.

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Reed.

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I'm Tony tidbit.

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We talked about it.

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We fought about it.

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01:10:35,900 --> 01:10:37,530

We disagreed about it.

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01:10:37,770 --> 01:10:41,540

However, we still love one

another and we love you too.

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Guess what?

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It's time for us to get out.

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