Shadiin and Delma briefly consider renaming the podcast. Our hosts take time to check in with one another on the nuances and difficulties of getting facilitating groups while trying to make it look easy and what it means to "teach" facilitation to a new generation of people while being feeling exhausted.

After the break, our hosts discuss the existence, proliferation, external appearance, and internal voice of the Contemporary Tom: those of us who put the comfort of people in power over the needs of those most vulnerable. Modern day uncle toms within and without are making justice difficult to embody for us all. What is a sellout? WHO is a sellout? Who should get to decide? What does it even mean...? We don't know either, but we're gonna discuss just the same.