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#1 - Nice to Meet You - Now Here are Five (ish) AirVenture Tips for You!
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In Episode 1, join Tiffany and Bill for the inaugural episode of the Flight Line Podcast. They get to introduce themselves, but also hand out their top five-ish hacks for EAA Airventure in Oshkosh if you're attending. We'll see you at the show next week (listen for a meetup time and place or see below).

Meetup with us at Airventure 2024: Wednesday, 4:00 PM Local at the Lightspeed Aviation tent just north of Hangar B. Hope to see you there!

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all right.

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Welcome everybody to the inaugural episode of the Flightline podcast,

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a new podcast about aviation.

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Uh, we're going to be talking about all sorts of things, but

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we'll introduce ourselves first.

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I'm Bill Williams, one of the co hosts.

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And I'm Tiffany Wolf.

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You might remember us from the pilot cast, which we did a few years back,

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and I'm the host of the student pilot cast, and Tiffany's been around aviation

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probably even longer than I have.

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I'm not sure, even though I'm the old guy on the team, but we wanted

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to, uh, Have a place, an outlet for us to, um, talk about aviation.

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We always want to, we want to get more involved all the time.

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And, this flight line podcast is something that we've been wanting

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to put together for a while.

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And so we're excited to be doing that.

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when we came up with the name, uh, Tiffany had a really good sort of,

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um, uh, reason why we're calling it the flight lane, a tie in.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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You want to, you want to tell them about that?

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Yeah, I think this sums it up.

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Flightline, the definition leans in towards a parking or

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a servicing area for airplanes.

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And we are excited to have the Flightline podcast that's a parking

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or servicing area for pilots.

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So just a wonderful place to come and share stories, ideas, thoughts, wisdom,

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which you'll be getting the wisdom from me and a lot of stories from Bill.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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Again, I'm the old guy.

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I'm just not, I haven't gathered all the wisdom yet.

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but yeah, we, we don't even know exactly the type of format.

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we're going to have, but we're going to have a mix of video and audio, long form,

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short form, uh, we're going to, we're going to do a bunch of different things.

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we'll talk about this in a minute, but we're heading to Oshkosh next week.

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And so we wanted to get this inaugural.

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Edition or, um, inaugural, uh, what do you call it?

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Episode.

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That's what you call it.

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It's like, I just started podcasting, even though I started back in 2008.

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Um, but we wanted to get this inaugural episode out and, get it out before

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Oshkosh so we could announce this.

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And.

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We definitely, if anybody sees this beforehand, and I'll announce this over

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on Student Pilot Cast too, uh, but if anybody sees this before Oshkosh, we

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want to meet up with some of you as well.

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So we're going to talk about that in a little bit.

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Uh, but like I said, it's going to be all kinds of content.

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We're going to be gathering information and we just want to share it with you.

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And, uh, I think it might get us out to more air shows too.

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Don't you think, Tiffany?

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I think so.

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I think that's definitely going to happen.

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You know, we have a cute little one in San Diego here.

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You could come over to called Miramar.

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Yeah, dun, dun, dun.

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I was gonna start, I was gonna start humming the Top Gun theme,

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but we'd probably get like, like a copyright strike or something.

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Copyright

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infringement lawsuits.

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think the

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beastie boys just sued, KFC or something like that.

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Chili's for using a beastie boy song on,

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On a commercial or something or on Instagram.

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Oh, even worse.

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Oh yeah, we don't want any part of that.

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but anyway, we're gonna have some fun and hopefully bring you along with us.

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And so we, we wanted to introduce ourselves.

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Um, we can go back in history just a little bit, but we won't

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bore you with a long, a long, uh, history of what's going on.

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But Tiffany, why don't you bring everybody up to speed since the pilot cast days?

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For you, I mean.

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Oh, goodness, I don't even know how to start.

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That really

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That really is a difficult one.

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I worked in the aviation industry in multiple different, um,

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up

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facets, uh, worked for a couple of different companies and some ups and

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downs, some crashes, some, not me, uh,

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But the I ended up working for a flight school during COVID.

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And that was quite an interesting experience.

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So like most people, there was an opportunity to pivot

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and change into a different.

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I don't know, right, I just changed to a different company.

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I started my own small business.

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So T Wolf marketing is out there to help you with all of your digital needs.

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And then I also work for another company where we have the opportunity to do a

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lot of flying in a citation Mustang.

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So I enjoy that.

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Yeah.

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I enjoy that.

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I haven't flown in

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Sorry, Bill.

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I didn't mean to rub it in.

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But, yeah, awesome.

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Um, I took, um, I took a long hiatus from flying for a while when my

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kids were, you know, growing up.

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We were just doing other things.

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We were doing a lot of boating and motorcycle riding and dirt bike

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riding and all kinds of other things.

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And if you, uh, Listen to the student pilot cast.

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You know this already, but I'll I'll be quick.

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But after a long hiatus last year, I had some changes in my life and I decided

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to go full bore back into aviation.

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And so I've been training a ton.

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Um, I'm actually currently working on my CFI.

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Hopefully I'll be done next month.

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And I've gotten a bunch of other ratings in between.

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And I'm just having a great time.

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And, needed an outlet.

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This is kind of how this started again is I've got, I've got student

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pilot cast, which is, is going strong again, but I needed an outlet.

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Tiffany did too.

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And we decided, Hey, let's start doing things in the

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aviation podcasting world again.

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And so that's how this all got started.

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So hopefully we'll, we'll all have some fun together.

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So.

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many adventures to share and, you know, I don't know about you.

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We, I know we talked about this once, but the idea of standing in front

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of something and taking a picture to post it was not at all my style.

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So I'm excited to, to, to have an outlet where we can actually tell

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our stories in a, in a proper manner.

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And, um, hopefully people will enjoy listening to them and, um, build a

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bigger community around this wonderful community that we call aviation, which,

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um, If you don't mind, brings us to our next point and our very exciting point.

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I've been going to Oshkosh goodness since 2007.

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I think is when I first went I was in college and had the

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most incredible experience.

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And since that time, Bill and I we've met up a few times for Podapalouza.

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If you remember that one way back in the day, that was a good one.

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Um,

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I've been going

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but

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2008.

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So see, you started before me.

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Sheesh.

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Well, right around the same time.

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But, with all of this wisdom that we have already spoken about,

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Bill and I were chatting and we thought, gosh, you know what?

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There's so many neat stories and places to go and hacks, if you will, about Oshkosh.

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We should share those.

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And so today we're going to go through our top five favorite hacks for Oshkosh.

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And one of the things about Oshkosh is that we all have our own

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opinions, um, stories, experiences.

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So we would love to hear what your top hacks are as well.

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Um, you can check us out on our brand, brand new social media.

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We have flight lane podcast, um, on Instagram and a flight

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lane podcast on Facebook.

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So we'll put a post on there later.

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And we would love to hear from you and, what your top, um, hacks are.

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So Bill, without any further

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anybody this year.

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But, um, for future years for sure.

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And by the way,

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we're not experts.

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There's people that have been going for 40 years, but we get to hang out with them.

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And what Tiffany didn't really mention the real reason we started

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the podcast is we just felt like we needed some more friends.

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So we're hoping you join us as we, as we do this stuff and please be our friends.

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We just don't have enough.

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So anyway, yeah, let's get into it.

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Let's start with, with some of the hacks or some of the, tips that we've got.

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So

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so I would say that while we put this in at number five, I think most of us

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who've ever gone or who are going to go should know that this is technically

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the most important rule of Oshkosh.

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Never say no.

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So, uh, First time I went, I was, as I mentioned, I was a college student.

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I was working in a booth for, for somebody and I would work all day.

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And then all night I was there by myself.

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I had met some people on Facebook, which now seems a little creepy to

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do, and then meet up with random strangers, but Oshkosh, it's okay.

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Surprisingly,

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Things are different there.

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Yeah, things

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Yeah, they are different.

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different.

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I always say Oshkosh is like a burning man.

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But instead of debauchery and nudity, it's like flight jackets and avgas.

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and super clean grounds And like there's no trash anywhere.

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Yeah, it's totally like the exact opposite of burning man Yeah, this is true

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But it is wonderful.

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It has that family feel.

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So never say no.

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Okay, the opportunity is everywhere at Oshkosh.

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Everybody is your friend, whether they know it or not.

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So there was a fabulous story.

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so I was working for Rob Holland

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my buddy

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I called, called my buddy, Steve Swift, who's a warbird guy and had him

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come over and, uh, we hung out for a little bit at the, um, performers area.

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And then Steve and somebody else that he was with said, Hey, what

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are you doing in the morning?

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I don't know.

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What do you got?

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So 6 a.

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m.

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I woke up and met them at the Warbirds area and we did a flight of six, I

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think, um, T6s for a photo flight.

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And it was amazing.

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And there it made the cover of, I forget which magazine, one of the flying

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magazines, um, which we'll, we'll have

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You've never

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It was so

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story, Tiffany.

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epic.

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Either that or I'm so old I forgot, but

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I don't, I don't think so

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you've ever told me that story and I can't believe that.

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That's really amazing.

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It's perfect

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it doesn't end there.

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Yeah, it was so great.

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So there, the, the cover shot is stunning though.

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There was like six T sixes lined on top of each other.

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And these guys were in formation probably like a week or so ago.

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Six minutes easily like that, where they've got helmets on and they're looking

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up and trying to keep from, you know, trying to keep their distance from one

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another while the, uh, the cameraman is telling his pilot how to line them up.

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And then the pilot saying, Hey, we're getting ready to go over some a greener

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area that kind of looks like, you know, The vintage of aircraft that you're

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shooting and the light's about to be good.

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And so meanwhile, the pilots with helmets on are still head completely

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back trying to fly the airplane.

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And it was, it was orchestrated beautifully.

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Now, after that, what do you want to come to lunch with us?

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Of course I do.

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So we go to

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and So, yes, is the answer.

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yes, never say no.

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Yep.

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We go to lunch and the, uh, the pilot and the photographer were sitting

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there chatting and they said, Hey, you're more than welcome to come

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out with us on our next flight.

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And you can be the safety pilot.

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Okay, cool.

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So we took off in there.

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Bonanza that has, um,

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I'm going to butcher this.

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I'm going to butcher this, but it's basically he's got holes

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cut out in the back of the,

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Bonanza so

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So he can sit, he can sit down in the back and take pictures from any

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angle without being, without having the fuselage in the way, if you will.

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there was

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And so, yeah, just, just being out there was so cool.

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There's some warbirds coming in and it's, it was like three or four sky Raiders.

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And this was really neat.

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They were planning the entire shot to be, as I mentioned, just a second ago.

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Um, Over a certain area that would mimic was that Vietnam with the Sky Raiders?

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Oh,

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raiders?

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Yeah, I think so.

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Yeah.

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Yes, we'll pretend.

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Yes, we'll pretend.

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were looking for

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But so they were looking for a certain patch of ground underneath

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the Sky Raiders that would make it look historically correct.

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And then they're also waiting for the clouds to part.

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So you get that perfect little bit of sunlight on there.

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Was just an amazing experience.

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And then, and then the sky Raiders land and another group of airplanes.

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I don't remember what that was, came up and just amazing.

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And then at the same time, that was two flights, uh, that I had

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the opportunity to be in that was taking off at Oshkosh and, and, and.

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That right there is the coolest experience.

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Sitting in a plane watching these amazing human beings in the tower get people going

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and there's, you know, the occasional oh shoot moment and, but that was, that was

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my very favorite never say no moment.

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Oh, I love it.

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Yeah, it never say no is a great way to say it.

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Um, it kind of leads into what I was thinking about.

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So Tiffany and I, Tiffany and I didn't go over in detail what we were gonna

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talk about as far as these tips go.

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So I don't even know if this one has a number.

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But it's leading me to, um, and I didn't hear that story

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actually before she told it.

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So I love this.

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We're, um, we're doing this as we go here, but it does kind of lead me into

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the never say no thing is a tip I would have is, especially if you're staying

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off site, be on the grounds at night and not just for the night air show, because

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you've heard people say this often.

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We've said it.

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We've been saying it for years.

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It's about that group of people or gaining more people in your group or

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in your sphere or meeting new people.

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And a lot of that happens kind of after hours, not, not during the show,

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you know, so that's kind of another opportunity to expand that group of

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people, that group of friends that we're trying to expand with the podcast.

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Yeah, agreed.

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I think we actually did have that one on there.

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Oh, awesome.

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Which, Was number three.

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So let's skip to number three, because I wanted to add to that being on site,

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like you say, is so valuable that the amount of people that you get to know

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that you share this incredible passion with, um, some you end up learning

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that you work with a lot of the airline guys meet up, the alumni's meet up.

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Um, there's always something going on, but there is one beacon

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is one

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is always available.

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Oh, yeah.

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Every night, the S.

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O.

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S.

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bar,

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You

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you might notice it by the giant moon floating above it, which I

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have mistaken for a moon every year

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year since I started going.

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Some of the.

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Adult beverages.

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This is

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It's a little easier to mistake that for, for a moon.

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But the S.

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O.

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S.

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bar, if you haven't been there, it is Boy, I don't even know how to

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You can, you can put it into Google.

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actually a happy face.

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I know that you guys have seen it if you've been there,

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but it can look like a moon.

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It's a yellow happy face balloon.

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Everyone mistakes it.

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It happens to the best of us.

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Those are some great nights, but you can, it's off.

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It's outside of the gate.

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Um, but you can get food there.

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I think they expanded it to have like wine bars as well.

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The sodas and non alcoholic drinks.

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They have a beautiful bonfire with Adirondack chairs all around, and it just

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creates an amazing gathering space and they do live music, which is a blast.

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a cool place to meet up.

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Yep.

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Speaking, speaking of meetup,

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I'm going to take a little detour here since we're talking about meeting up and

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we would love to meet some of you guys.

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I know there won't be a lot of people who've heard this episode since we're

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a brand new podcast, but I'll announce this on student pilot cast as well.

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We'll put it on social media.

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Hopefully you find it.

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Somehow we'll talk to our old friends, but we would love to meet anybody

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who wants to come and meet up again.

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We're, we're trying to build our friend group here.

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So, We're thinking, uh, we'll be at the, at the Lightspeed Tent, which

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is just, let me, let me think about this for a second, which is gonna

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be immediately north of Hanger B.

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Um, just come by the Lightspeed Tent, at 4 o'clock on Wednesday, 4 o'clock

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in the afternoon on Wednesday, and Tiffany and I will be hanging out there.

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so, come by there and, uh, See if we can hang out a little bit.

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Um, that'll be fun.

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Sound good to you, Tiffany.

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that.

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I love those meetups.

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Yes.

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Well, I can't say no, because I'd break that rule number five.

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You can't say no, exactly.

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Can't say no, can't do it.

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I wanted to talk about, um, just a quick experience that's a little more calm

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than being at the, uh, the beer tent.

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I was just thinking about it while I was talking about being there at night.

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So a couple of years ago in 2022, it was the first time I was able to take my boys.

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They're all adults now.

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Um, again, I'm old, uh, they're all adults now, but, um, a couple of years

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ago we were there and we just have these impromptu things that happen.

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We were hanging out with some new friends that we had made at the, stole

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demonstration that they were doing over at the ultra light field, the grass field.

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We just loved hanging out there.

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So we were doing that.

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A lot of the nights we were there and we were kind of walking through the grounds

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on the way back and we ended up having this epic cornhole tournament because

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one of the airplane vendors had cornhole sitting there and even though the show was

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closed, um, there's still people kind of, you know, walking by and things like that.

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And we ended up playing cornhole for like, It had to be three hours.

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I don't think we got back to our campsite until midnight or something Um, and

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of course we were doing interviews and everything the next day So we didn't get

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a lot of sleep because like tiffany said you just don't say no And so sometimes

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these epic little memories that you have happen Spontaneously just because you

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weren't saying no just because you were on site At night, uh, when supposedly

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nothing's happening, but there's always going to be something happening.

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So that's my little extra, my extra story there for that.

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Why don't you take us to the

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love

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one?

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Is

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next one is off site locations.

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There are some really great spots around Oshkosh that usually are probably

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hosting maybe two or three tables at a restaurant or they're just not very busy.

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So you'll walk into some of these restaurants or bars

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and they're just jam packed.

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It's like for one week during the year, that place is slammed.

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Yeah.

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Oh my God, it's incredible.

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And the locals will always try to get a front row seat to

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Oh yeah.

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I will say that my very favorite spot and a must for a good greasy spoon

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burger and a beer is Pete's Garage.

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It's right downtown Oshkosh.

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Fantastic little hangout.

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They have a little outdoor seating area.

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And I'm in California, so everything's really expensive here.

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But after that T6 flight, I invited that whole team out and I was able to

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buy them all their dinners and a couple pitchers of beer for like under 200 bucks.

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So.

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Pete's garage.

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That's a win.

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So I'm going to add to that, um, Um, there's, there's a couple

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of, uh, food vendors that are just outside the actual gates.

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And, I don't know in my experience it seems like it's like half the price

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of the food inside and it's literally right there So yeah, there's a lot

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of stuff outside There's a food vendor that we ate at quite a bit.

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That's right by the bus terminal which is outside the gates and So you might want to

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check that out So yeah, there's, there's lots of things to discover outside.

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Speaking of outside, it's not really outside of AirVenture,

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but it's outside the main gates.

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Um, we didn't talk about this before, but you got to make

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it over to the seaplane base.

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If you've never been, you got to go over there.

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It's super chill.

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Um, bring a lawn chair, bring a blanket, just hang out there.

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It's, it's super nice over there.

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And, It's like a grove of trees and it's by the water.

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So it is actually cooler over there.

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Um, it makes a difference and it does get hot, which is going to lead us to one of

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our next tips, but, but that's a, that's a

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you're on the seaplane, there's always, uh, at least one or

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two people swimming out there.

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And then you can also do the boat ride too, which is fun.

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That takes you around the

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Shows you all the airplanes that are, that are tied off out there.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's like a jungle cruise for airplanes.

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Yep, yep.

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That's pretty cool.

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it out there.

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That one's fun.

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Awesome.

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Okay.

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So while we're talking about cool spots, number two, this is, this

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is my favorite piece of advice.

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The coolest spot at AirVenture,

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In case you didn't know, Wisconsin is hot and humid in the summer.

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So.

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blistering hot.

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This is, this is the tip that I told my friend and his dad, the kid

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who's just about to get his pilot's license and they came out to Oshkosh

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last year, I said, I just met them.

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It was 2000 degrees outside in the sun.

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And, uh, we're just chatting a little bit, getting to know each other.

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It's my mom's friends, family.

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sitting there going, you

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I'm sitting there going, you know, I just want to give you some insight.

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Oshkosh is the most wonderful place.

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It's a great experience.

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Blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Garmin tents, the greatest, greatest place to be, or the library is

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the second place, greatest place.

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And these two guys are looking at me like, What is this woman talking about?

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Uh, yeah, just like, no, why would we go inside anywhere?

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And so the next day I get a text from him.

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We're watching the show in the Garmin tent.

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Yeah, cause you can still see, you can still see from the Garmin tent, yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's, it is, it, you,

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by Cool avionics and all kinds of other things.

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They actually usually have some, I forgot about this when we were talking about

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it before, but they usually have some places you can plug your phone in if it

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needs recharging, stuff like that, too.

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So it's a pretty good place to be.

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the, yeah, you can, you can play with all the, um,

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The GPS's and the Yes,

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you.

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Yeah, you can play with all the GPSs.

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The guys will let you go over there and touch all the buttons.

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Yeah, lots of buttons and knobs and blinky lights.

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It's, it's a pilot's dream.

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Yeah.

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That's wonderful.

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And then over in the antiques area, there's a little library in there.

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Or bookstore, it's probably maybe 10 by 10.

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It's so cute, just interesting to go into the little bookstore that opens up.

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For one week out of the year.

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And they have the old school air conditioner in the window that you'll find

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me standing in front of most of the time.

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It's

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when I have my boys there we spent some time in the museum for the same

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reason it's air conditioned in there There's a gift shop there as well.

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And uh, if you haven't been in a couple years, you might not know that ea put a

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um I'm gonna butcher what they called it.

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It's like a pilot training center You Or something right next to the museum.

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They've got a bunch of, um, classes that go on in there and, uh, they've, they've

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got, um, simulators and things like that.

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You can't just go in and use the simulators.

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They, you have to be signed up for the classes and so on,

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but it is air conditioned and you can hang out there too.

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So, um, yeah, you know, museum is a good one too.

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have you ever done one of the classes at Oshkosh?

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I have.

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I think there's like riveting and welding and what, what did you do?

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Um, well, I did one of the simulator training sessions, um, when, uh, the

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first year it was there, which was 2022 So that was that was pretty interesting.

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There was classroom and there was a simulator.

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Uh, they've got a bunch of redbirds in there now.

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Um, so they had different topics.

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again, you can sign up if there's openings.

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you can sign up for him.

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If not, you can be on the wait list, but they do this year round too.

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So not just during the show.

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This is a permanent building.

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It's again, I'm, I didn't prepare for this with the name.

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just remembering back and I think it's called like the pilot training

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center or something like that.

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We'll put it in the show notes if I can find it.

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But, um, But yeah, they've got those.

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But then the classic classes that you're talking about over in the forums,

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they've got all sorts of things that have to do with, um, either training

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or building an airplane or, um, you know, it could be any number of things.

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And then of course the vendors themselves sometimes do training.

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If they've got the bigger tents and things, they might Garmin,

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for instance, if we go back to them, um, might do training.

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Little classes that, you know, teach you something about some of

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the avionics and things like that.

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So, and we're forgetting all kinds of other things that are going on.

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So there's a lot of learning opportunities at Oshkosh for sure.

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yeah, I think Lycoming.

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I know that if you go over to the Lycoming area, they've got an

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entire, well, it's a small area, but they have a little stadium set up.

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They've got some bleachers and they do some sort of classes over there.

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Oh, cool.

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Yeah, there's, there's lots of opportunities for that.

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So yeah, perfect.

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That's a good

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Okay, and number one.

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Number one.

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Um,

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number one tip.

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I think this was, um, how you can go to Oshkosh for free or

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at least for a reduced cost.

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Bill, more enthusiasm.

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How do you get to Oshkosh for free?

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Well, as you know, there are.

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Hundreds if not thousands of aviation vendors there and a lot of

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times these vendors, especially the bigger ones Need help at the show.

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So reach out to your favorite vendors or follow them on social media or sign

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up for mailing lists or whatever it is.

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Just email them and offer your time.

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And a lot of times you can be an adjunct or a demonstrator.

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I was, I was chatting with Kent Shook, earlier today, from the pilot cast.

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And he reminded me, I'd completely forgotten about this, but he reminded

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me that back in 2010, I think it was, um, we were at Oshkosh and he

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was one of the beta testers of the new iPad version of ForeFlight.

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Back when they were just a budding little company.

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And, um, they got so swamped at the show that they emailed all of the beta

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testers and said, can you please come and help us demonstrate the program at

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At, you know, their little booth, they just had a back then they had a little

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booth inside, um, you know, one of the hangers and it was mobbed by people.

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So there's always these startups, but also some of the more established.

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companies, they sometimes need help and they'll either pay for your flight or

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they'll certainly pay for your pass to get in, um, any number of things that they

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might do, um, if, if they need some help.

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And, so that's one way that you can get there for a reduced price.

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in fact, um, I'm doing some adjunct work this year.

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With Lightspeed.

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So, uh, we talked about meeting up there.

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Um, Um, I'll be there several of the days near the end of

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the week, basically all day.

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So you can always come by and hang out with me a little bit.

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I know that Lightspeed this year is trying to gather comfort.

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About their headsets and other headsets.

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And so, they would love to get your input.

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if you have a little bit of time, you can come by lightspeed tent, hang out with

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me and they'll have you try on a bunch of things and, and take some surveys.

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They're kind of doing some market research on that for, for the future.

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So that would be helpful.

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Um, but you can see all the new products and things like that, but, it's a,

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it's a good way to get there for free.

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And I'll be hanging out with Lightspeed a lot of the week.

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So come by and see me.

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It'll be easy to spot.

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What, what days are you going to be at the Lightspeed booth?

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Um, I haven't memorized, um, the exact days, but I think it'll be

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Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, at least.

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Um, so, and it'll be basically be, you know, unless I'm off doing something

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else, uh, for a little while or grabbing a bite to eat or something, it'll be

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basically during the hours of the show.

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Very cool.

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Well, I'll come see you.

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Definitely.

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Hopefully some of our new friends will as well.

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So those are our top five.

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Oshkosh hacks for now, obviously, and we'll probably have a few more

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after, after this Oshkosh, but we would love to hear what your

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favorite hacks or tips or tricks are.

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What are the places that you like to go?

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What are the restaurants you like to go on or off site?

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Um, so find us on social media.

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We're on Instagram at flightline podcast, and we're also on Facebook as well.

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So be one of our first followers and throw us some love by giving us some

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comments and we're looking forward to hopefully meeting up with you or hopefully

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having you on the show so we can learn a little bit more about your story.

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bit more about your story.

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Yeah, and uh, you can also email us directly at bill.

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Thanks, Bill.

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at flightlinepodcast.

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com and Tiffany at flightlinepodcast.

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com.

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so you can hit us up that way as well.

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but definitely reach out to us.

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We'll probably figure out other ways that make it easy for you to get to us

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over time, but, um, we're just launching.

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So, you know, those are the ways that we've got right now.

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no, thank you for listening.

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Stay tuned for more shows and we'll see you on the flight line.

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And hopefully we'll see you at Oshkosh.

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