Today we welcome special guest Allison Jornlin to the show. Allison is the founder of Milwaukee Ghosts  Tours and has been researching strange events and paranormal occurrences for years. Today she brings us an interesting story from the entertainment world: That of Peaches Honeyblossom Geldof (1989 – 2014), daughter of Bob Geldof. Bob was front man for the Boomtown Rats (whose biggest hit, “I Don’t Like Mondays” was about a school shooting in 1979), star of Pink Floyd’s “The Wall”, social activist, organizer of Band Aid & Live Aid, and from the sounds of things, a pretty darn decent human being.

Bob’s daughter, Peaches Geldof, was a British “celebrity princess” who passed away at the young age of 25 due to a heroin overdose. During her short time on earth, she searched for meaning in life through various religions and mysticism. Her search led her to explore Scientology, Judaism, and eventually Aleister Crowley and the O.T.O. (Ordo Templi Orientis), an occult highly known for its involvement in magic and the paranormal.

Peaches had some frightening ghostly encounters, not the least of which a selfie  she shared on Instagram  (with hashtags #haunted #ghost) in which a “mystery ghost hand” can be seen. She believed the ghost was a woman who had previously occupied the house and had drowned herself after giving birth to a stillborn baby. Peaches had a premonition of her own death not long before the tragic drug overdose that took her life.

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Sweet. Alright. Well, today's gonna be fun because we have a

special guest, another interview. Mike, why don't you tell us about our,

guest today? Today,

we'll be talking about classic English

rock and debutantes

in the story of Peaches Geldof who had a

tragic short life but a very, very

interesting one with a paranormal twist. And we'll be

talking about Okay. I was wondering. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And we'll be talking about

it with the head of milwaukeeghost.com

and a paranormal expert who just happens to be

my sister, Allison Jornland.

I'm here with my sister, Allison

Jornland from Milwaukee Ghosts. How are you doing

Mike. How are you doing today, Allison? Oh, pretty good. Pretty

good. Glad to hear from you. That's right. And and we're

talking about weird stuff, which is one of our favorite things to talk

about. Yes. Yes. It is. I think Brings back

memories, Mike. That's right. Well, being weird is our family business.

True. So it is our favorite thing to do. Do you wanna tell people a

little bit about Milwaukee Ghosts and what you do? Yeah. Well,

I started Milwaukee Ghosts back in, I think, it was 2,008.

It's milwaukeeghost.com. And,

just like, you know, Mike, you were saying, we we always been interested

in the strange and unusual. And and so I decided,

well, you know, we were reading about things that happen all over the

world. What's been going on? You know, I've always been

interested in what's been going on locally and just never

knew a way to go about it, to do research and and find ghost

stories and other unusual things, for Diana

and, strange events that went

on here in Milwaukee or in Wisconsin. And so that's kind

of, my mission is is to seek out these

these local stories that that connect to

maybe other stories that you've heard of, on the

national stage. Okay. I I I that's exciting.

That's that's kinda my mission with Madison Ghost as well, and,

it's just nice to talk to you and to be able to talk about

other weird families in the world here.

Yeah. And that's people like the Geldofs.

Yeah. Unfortunately, not not as not

as lucky as we are. I mean, you would

think to look at them. I mean, they have have fame, they

have fortune, but they also have just tremendous

tragedy, which we, you know, we don't have fame and fortune,

but thankfully, we also Don't have heroin. Don't

have heroin and and don't have these tremendous, tragedies that

have unfolded over the years. So the Geldos, an unlucky

family, but definitely an interesting one, especially when it

comes to the weird stuff. Let's hear about it. Well, the most recent

news, from this weekend actually is that, Bob

Geldof is rerecording

the band aid, song, do they know it's

Christmas? But he's rewriting the lyrics,

because this new effort, Band Aid 30, because it's been

30 years if you can believe that. So the snow Oh,

God. Yeah. Called Band Aid 30 is to,

help with the with the, Ebola

epidemic that's going on in Africa. Oh, so it it's do they

know do they know they have Ebola? Well We should

give we should give some a little background on Bob Geldof for a sec. Yeah.

Because I think a lot of people don't I mean, a lot of Americans

might not know who Bob Geldof is or or or what's the

big deal about him? Well, I I'm no

music historian. You would know more than than than I would know,

but but I do know, that he was the the front man

for, the Boomtown Rats, which was a

very popular band. His his his

biggest hit, I Don't Like Mondays.

That's the Boomtown Rats' biggest hit. I mean, they were kind of a new wavy

pop band, and and their biggest hit was I don't like Mondays,

which was based around a school shooting in

California in the 19 seventies. Yeah. 1979.

It it was actually a school shooting

by a girl. Which which is a little different,

and I'd never even I'd know I heard I Don't Like Mondays before.

Right. But I had no idea it was about a school shooting until I and

which is weird because I usually follow-up on the history of a song. I'm like,

oh, isn't isn't this interesting? Like, the first time I realized that

Van Halen jump wasn't about jumping up and having a good Mike. It was

about jumping off a building. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. But he's

like, go ahead and jump. David Lee Roth said, there's always some jerk in the

crowd who tells the guy to jump, and that's what the song's about.

So Wendy Bob Geldof with I Don't Like Mondays is about a school shooting,

that's that you know, I was just shocked by that. You know, we we can't

write songs about that anymore. Well, you know, I

think I think Favre Valdez does have a a social consciousness

where he is, you know, he's looking for for things

that that really speak to him on an emotional

level. We didn't think of school shootings as a

thing at that time. No. The only person who didn't like Mondays in the

seventies was Garfield, and you didn't think he was gonna go around and shoot the

place up. Right. But then, you know, for Odie. Maybe maybe

Odie. Her response to why she did it is that she she didn't like

Wendy, and then he took that and then made

made that into that very famous song. But as

as a warning to all of the rest of us or, you know, a

social commentary, you look at how many

school shootings that have proliferated, over the United

States in in recent years. I mean, it's it's

really telling to see how he he was able to

touch on that and as something to watch

out for. Well, we still back in the seventies. We still have Mondays.

Like, we haven't gotten rid of Mondays, obviously. The problem still exists.

Yes. To bring it back to Bob Geldof, you know, just to think of

him as as, you know, somebody who identified

that social issue so early on just speaks to

his his, character and his perceptiveness as an

artist. And then, he was also, of course, in the

wall, which, which is very,

very famous, rock movie. Wasn't he pink in the wall?

Yes. Yes. He was the lead character. If you think you don't

know Bob Geldof You do. You really do. You really do. You

just need to look a little closer. And and then, of course,

his involvement in in Band Aid 30 years ago which is to

recognize, you know, that there are people starving around the

world that, you know, you have to do something about it to make the world

a better place. Well, I I just think it's interesting. You know, Bob Geldof,

when we talk about the national conversation, through his art

and through his charities and stuff, he is really

contributing to the national con the international conversation when it

comes to these different kind of events he's put on and the things that he's

created, with Live Aid, with you know,

by doing so he definitely has a social consciousness, and,

that's probably why he's such a monster. So I mean, in England, he's a big

star. You know? Right. And he's been knighted. He's sir Bob

Geldof. Sir right. So he's right. He's a knight at, you know, like

Right. Don't forget that. That's very important. Mike Gawain and

Lancelot. That's right. Bob Geldorf. Sir Bob.

Sir Bob. He's, trying to raise money to,

to wipe out Ebola in our Mike. And so

he's gathered, like, one direction, for example, that that's

one of, the artists participate, you know, of the

groups participating and also,

Chris Martin is involved. Just lots of lots of different

people. Bono. Well, Chris Chris Martin has to do something to

cheer himself up after his conscious uncoupling from Gwyneth.

Aw. So he yeah. So he's gotta he's he's like, I should probably do

this thing with Bob because I'm sad. That's right.

But, anyway so and and, again, he's watching the

news because, this, I'm looking at

the Daily Mail. You gotta take that with a grain of salt. Right. The Daily

Mail. That's where I get all of my news. Well, you

you you don't wanna get all your news from that, but it's interesting they

have in here some of the specific,

lyrics about, you know, the rewriting of the

song. Sure. Mike, the blood coming out of your eyes and stuff like that. Well,

I don't know if that's in there. I just think it's wonderful that, you know,

he has enough money that he doesn't really need to do anything,

for the rest of his life. He could just, you know, veg out and

watch TV. You could say you could say that he could step behind a wall.

Yes. You could also say that. So, yeah,

Bob does a lot of nice things, and Live Aid,

is great, and he's doing it again to help with Ebola. We'll put that in

the show notes, in case you'd like to buy a copy and you'd like to

help out as well. But we really want to talk

today about his daughter, Peaches.

His daughter with Paula Yates who And? Yeah. Who

I mean, Paula had her own issues and stuff like that.

When when you look at the life of Paula Yates, it seems like she has

a a a touch of the crazy, in her

as well. She was a so she was a UK TV presenter. So think about

the MTV presenters back in the eighties, like Downtown Julie Brown or just

a regular Julie Brown. She's a VJ in England or the

UK back in the back in the 19 eighties, and that's kinda how they got

got together. They had 3

children, little Pixie,

Fifi, and Peaches Honey Blossom.

Yeah. Are the 3 kids they had. And,

the thing about the thing about, Paula Yates is that,

she left Bob Geldof to be with Michael Hutchins of

INXS. After after they they had their 3 kids

together, she left to be with I mean, Michael Hutchens from INXS was

pretty sexy. I mean, remember the video for the devil inside there? I mean, that

was a good looking guy, you know? And he's Australian, so he had that kind

of bad boy crocodile Dundee thing going on in

the chick's frickin'. Yeah. Good day.

But then Michael Hutchens, obviously, had some issues of

his own, killed himself in 1997,

had a daughter with Paul Yates named Tiger Lily.

Oh, I did not know all of this. Yes. So Michael Hutchens and Paul Yates

had their daughter named Tiger Lily. So she continues to have the fun

names go, you know, Peaches Honey Blossom, Little Pixie,

Fifi. You name the dog Fifi. You don't name your daughter Fifi.

Oh, yeah. Okay. But the thing is so Paula Yates had issues

of her own. She died of a heroin overdose in

2000. So she liked to party

and killed herself with an overdose. I mean, not a suicide, but she killed

herself by doing too much heroin in 2000. Here's

what a good guy Bob Geldof is. He raises

Tiger Lily. He he takes Tiger Lily, her

daughter with Michael Hutches, as his

own daughter, after they both pass away.

Yeah. Well, I don't know. He just seem he just seems like a guy with

a big heart. He's kept a pretty even keel throughout the years. And

having to deal with Paula Yates, who sounds like, you know,

she was she was a load of fun. Yeah. Well,

you know, and and in rock music, you know, that that

is a component. That is something that that

has been, you know, part of rock and roll since the beginning,

is is drugs. And, it it's

just sad that, you know, along with with all these, you know,

great great creations that these artists come up

with, that they always see, you know, most mostly

seem dogged by problems with addictions with controlled substances. Well, absolutely. I

mean, that was the the origin of the

phrase cool was jazz musicians talking to each other

about, whether they smoked marijuana or not. That was the thing. Are you

cool? Are you, you know, are you so every time the

Fonzie talks about something's cool, he's really telling kids to smoke dope.

I did not know that. The Fonz. Yeah. And then you think about how

ubiquitous the that phrase is Yeah. Today. So, I mean,

these things really do have a have a, you know, such an impact

on, you know, the larger society. And, you know, you

really get the, you know, the creativity of

it, but you also get all this this baggage, this

toxic baggage along with it. And, you know, so let's talk

about peaches then because Peach is honey blossom. Yeah. She came

she came into this family. She, you know, had all the the

benefits, but also all the temptations of a

life of fame and fortune. And, she

didn't fare too well. Well, she I mean, the thing is I mean

so to the Americans listening to the podcast, I mean, they didn't

know who Peaches Geldof was. No. But you gotta think of her like she

was Paris Hilton in the UK. She was more like Nicole Richie,

because Nicole Richie was the daughter of, a singer.

So you know, like so Nicole Richie is famous,

been famous since she was a kid, famous parents, and lived that

kind of socialite debutante life. Right. Absolutely.

And, so it it said that, you know, last

year or actually this year this year, it's almost,

the year is almost up, but in in April,

she she died of a heroin overdose as well.

And and to be only 25 and and to

die of something like that, you know, have your whole life ahead of you.

You know, it's just and it's it's just a sad thing to

think of, you know, someone that young, dying because of

an addiction. Well, an addict yeah. Exactly. And it's even more tragic

when they have affluence, and then they

have, they have a life of leisure

and pleasure themselves. You know? We see it happen with people who are

wealthy all the time. And and Peach's Honey Blossom Geldof,

unfortunately, was was no different. But why we're talking about her on the

show is that imagine if Paris Hilton had,

like, a whole bunch of ghost stories. Imagine if imagine if Nicole

Richie had gone off and tried a bunch of different mystical

religions. Right. You know? And such was

Peaches Geldof. You know, she really had a quite a legacy

of trying to find religion. And and that that what

makes makes her interesting is that, you know, she had a search for meaning

and the mystical in her own life. I mean, she

was a party girl, obviously, and we'll talk about that, But, it's

also the fact that she was searching for for meaning in mysticism

in her life and had some ghostly encounters and things like

that that that makes it interesting and extra tragic. The UK,

their celebrities, even even their celebrity garbage. I mean,

not saying a human is ever garbage. You know what I mean? And speaking of

the dead, but even talking about their even their debutantes are

more interesting than ours. You know what I mean? Like, Peaches

more more substance. Right. Peaches was at least looking for something.

And she was reading. In a way, she was reading.

Some people question, you know, her choice of reading, you know, Aleister

Crowley, for example, but at least she was she was reading and it's it's sad

that, you know, that that couldn't have informed her choices more,

you know, to be able to say no to the the drug that ultimately claimed

her life. Well right. And, you know, she

she was trying to be an artist in her own right. She was working on

a debut album in 2010. Everybody's got you know, eve everybody has

an album, because all you gotta do is talk or sing a little bit and

then a DJ can put something behind it. So she had you know, she was

trying to be an artist. She dated she

dated the director of Hostel. Oh, I didn't know that.

Eli Roth. Yeah. She dated the director of Hostel, and he's also the bare

Jew from Inglourious Basterds. So he acted he

acted something in with Brad Pitt as well. So she was

hanging out with the celebrity scene.

Probably the most humiliating thing that happened to her was,

she had a heroin fueled 1 night stand, and the guy

talked about it on Reddit. Oh, man. So, like,

had, like, you know, a picture of her in his bed and stuff like that,

and he talked to me, and he's like and then he put it up on

Reddit, you know, to try to get his own little, fame

about it. And that's that was, you know, a

very sad, pathetic kinda thing. But then

she became a Scientologist. That's why she met with Katie Holmes.

Yeah. Which is kind of has a interesting connection to, you know, where we're

we're going with this destruct, this, discussion.

But but yeah. So Scientology tried that,

which, you know, is of interest just because of, you know,

the the biofeedback element. If

you you take away all the thetans and all the the crazier

elements of Scientology, You know, the idea of being able

to monitor your brain activity and and try

to, control your emotions. I mean, that just seems

like a good idea. The only problem is,

you know, when you get that with Scientology,

you also, you know, get this, You also get jumping on couches,

Tom Cruise. Yes. Well, you know, jump on couches. I don't have a problem

with that, but I I do have a problem with, this legacy

of control, which they seem to exert over their followers and

their even their followers' children. Well, I I so yeah. Well, I

mean, like any church, they have their they have their skeletons in the

closet. Yeah. They have their their thetans in the closet, I should

say. Quite quite a lot. And, you know, I think a lot of people and

I rip and make fun of Scientology just like anybody else does,

but, I've read Dianetics. You

know? So I think if people read Dianetics, The book by L.

Ron Hubbard, we should say. The founder of of Scientology.

And Dianetics is Mike the first book of Scientology.

And when you read it, Mike I mean, Dianetics doesn't seem crazy at all.

Dianetics is really an interesting, well thought, put

together book about making changes in your life. And I can see why a lot

of people who struggle with addiction and stuff like Mike, are interested in Scientology

because Dianetics kind of finds a way for that. It talks about,

you know, defeating and making changes in your Mike, and

it does it in a way that doesn't have that, the 12

step process. You know? So it talks about making

positive changes in a non religious way

so far, right? And, in a common sense

kind of way. So I can see why people are attracted to Dianetics, and that

can lead them further and further to get closer to the operating

thetan level that we all aspire to.

Oh, yeah. It's only it's only a $100,000, and

you too can be an operating thetan. Yeah. Could you explain a

thetan, Mike? Well, a a a thetan is

your is your soul, basically. It's the it's the,

it's the Scientologist version of of the soul. And

so we are trying to get

towards that. You know, I think of it like you know, I almost think

of it in in Roger's psychology.

And so there was a certain branch of psychology that

talks about, you know, your idealized self and your

actual self. And the incongruence between those two

things is what makes you feel anxiety. What what's

upsetting you in your Mike. Oh, cognitive dissonance. Yes. Thank

you. I was looking for that, but it's been a while since I thought, you

know, Wendy into the realms of psychology into the realms of

psychology and my my mind.

But so that kind of Rogers philosophy. And and that's kind of what the what

the thetans are, except you get that through different,

scientol you get different, you know, scientological rituals and discussion, like you're talking

about the biofeedback and things like that. And you get further

and further into Scientology, you get closer to that

idealized self, you're operating thetan.

Ah, I see. But but doesn't this have to do something with aliens

as well, or am I just just kind of,

kind of getting that mixed up with Battlefield Earth? No.

That's I'll run Harvard's, other famous work

that became an infamous film. Yes. And and,

no. The thing is is there's also the whole idea that our souls

are all from another planet, and they're all trapped inside this volcano,

and that's what you get at the highest level of Scientology is you get the

you get the sci you you get the sci fi treatment. We're

trapped inside a volcano? Yeah. I mean, I don't we can we'll we'll be

discussing Scientology. Alright. Well, I think We'll get into that more

later. That's a good one. But there is a whole sci fi aspect to it

too. You know, which I guess Wendy you talk about,

theologians debating angels dancing on the head of a pin

or, you know, people talking about the war in

heaven that happened untold eons

ago between Lucifer and

God. Right. What what's that

different than Zeno and or Zenu and his, operating, you

know, army of thetans Yes. That that But then

religious mythology could be, you know, viewed in

that same same light. Right. Except, I mean, Joseph Smith lived a

150 years ago, and L. Ron Hubbard was

alive, you know, in in our parents' lifetime and in our part of our

lifetime. And, the people who worked on the

the books of the Bible and the Old Testament weren't. I mean, that's the big

difference. So that that's why I say, like, we make fun of Scientologists,

but, you you know, like religion, can get you closer

to, a spirituality and can help you out.

Scientology can do the same thing, and I think that Peaches Geldof was was looking

for that. Right. To to find, you know, some meaning,

as you were saying, and and to, you know, maybe use

what she finds to, you know, make herself a better person.

And once she got over all of the, you know, once she she

got a lot of her partying out of her system, she did get married

and then be and then converted to Judaism.

She married a singer named Thomas Cohen, who sang in

a band called SCUM. Yes. Very inspirational.

S c u Mike, scum. So

then she tried out I mean, Judaism has its own kind of mysticism,

and that's been popular in Hollywood too. Remember Madonna had

went to the Kabbalah Center? Right. Kabbalah.

Yeah. That's, You gave me a book on the Kabbalah, didn't you? Oh, I

did. Oh, maybe. You did give me a book on the Kabbalah. So she got

involved in all this kind of mysticism. And,

then eventually, last year, she got involved

in the OTO. What's that about, Allison? Yeah. So

that's, the order Templi Orientis

or, the Order of Oriental Templars,

and this is an organization that that started in Germany

but, was soon brought to the UK

by none other than Uncle

Al. The the wickedest man in the whole of the

world. Yes. Aleister Crowley. Holy moly. It's

Aleister Crowley. He he was

a one of a kind individual. I mean,

there he called themselves the the great beast,

and and there's just so many stories about him.

You know, he wasn't a cultist to be sure,

and had questionable,

morals, I guess you would say. Or but Or or not quite just lack

of. Just no morals. Let's just say that. He had a different set of ethics.

You know? Yes. Kinda like we talk about Satanists and stuff. Yes. And

and he was also very into drugs,

unfortunately. But, you know, there he's

was an interesting character, quite a a learned individual.

And, you know, some some people, there's whole books about him. There's

there's one book that, posits that

he was actually a spy, during World War 2

or that he participated in,

bringing down the Nazis with, with

rival occult knowledge. So and and which really Mike

sense to because as we know, the Nazis were

were occultists as well. And and so,

Alistair wanting to defend, the UK. UK The empire. But,

yes, would, of course, use use, any weaponry

he had in his arsenal, which, of course, was a cult

weaponry. So, you know, his knowledge of

occultism, you know, may have been used by

UK's government to, you know, try to at least,

bring the morale down, among the Nazis. So I'd like to believe

I'd like to believe that they that the allies used Alastair's

power Yeah. To bring down the

fearsome force of the Third Reich. Well, it's something

that you should look into and maybe do a whole episode about that. But,

anyway, he he, again, was, you know,

very learned person, but

that led him to the occult and also to drugs.

And, unfortunately, you know, many people

think it was it was, Peach's

interest in the OTO, which would lead her down

the road that would eventually claim her life. Now what does The

OTO, just to let people know, so they do kind of I mean, that

it's not like satanism where they use

these rituals as just symbolism.

The LTO straight up believes in magic. That's right. That is

spells and rituals in order to bring some kind

of some kind of Wendy, accomplish something through

actual magic. Like, you know, if you were doing something Mike if you you

put an eye of a newt. Well, I mean, I don't know if they

did eye of newt, but You put an eye of a newt and, like, a

a couple of herbs and something like that into a pot, mix it up, and

drink it, and the next day, that something magical happens to you. But these

guys do they have different kinds of rituals. Some of them some of

them sexual in nature and all these kinda, all this kind of stuff the

OTO does. Anything you might imagine They're

they're into. As black black magic, they did it. They love it.

So it was very concerning, for people when

when, Peaches began sporting an OTO

tattoo. She got an OTO,

tattoo on her right arm, heart, and

then inside the heart were were the letters OTO.

So this this might have been, you know, this is probably her her

next was probably her next step in her

religious search. And and how long after the I

mean, it wasn't long after she got that OTO tattoo that she

saw a ghost in her selfie. Yeah. So that

that's another, interesting

aspect of of the whole Peaches Galuf story.

So, she was interested in the OTO, which,

of course, is interested in, you know, all things,

magic and paranormal. Oh. And and then and

then, in December of 2013,

she took a selfie of herself

and, you know, one of her little children

and, she had her, daughter in the bath

and, just took a a selfie, of the both of

them, and posted it to Twitter and

for some reason, there was an extra hand in the

photo. Yep. A ghostly hand right next to her head.

Yeah. And and she couldn't account for it. You

can see these pictures online. I'm sure you'll put them in the show notes

Mhmm. Or a link to it in the show notes, Mike. But,

she, posted to Instagram saying that she got a

close-up shot of a mystery ghost hand,

in the the picture she just took. And she's Mike, no. It's not

my hand. One of mine was around,

oh, I said daughter was was her her young son. But,

the name, the name of the child is

Asthala, though, in the in Asthala. I thought it was a girl. Sorry. And so

here's here's an example, though, of the mirror not

completely doing their work. So it says her daughter's a stala,

but her response to it is, no. That isn't my hand. 1 of mine

was around his waist to hold him during the photo. Yes. So obviously

Somebody didn't check somebody didn't check their sources. Yes. So,

yeah, this is what we're talking about. You have to watch out with the tabloids

in the UK. The grain of salt. Yes.

Anyway, so the important part is the picture and that she

posted it to Instagram and she she tweeted about it

later. But the gist is that

that she was saying, no. That's that's not my hand because one hand was

around his waist to hold them up, and the other was holding

the camera to take the photo.

And she she was quite

alarmed by that, and it's not his hand either.

You can tell, you know, where his shoulder is. Right. If that's his

if that's his hand, then there's something wrong with that baby. Yeah. That that

can't be his hand either. He doesn't know it's Christmas. Yeah.

Because, yeah. Because you see his shoulder right there and and his other

hand wouldn't go all the way around the back of his head. That would be

That'd be too weird. That would be really weird. But, anyway, so

we don't know whose hand that is. And then, you know, she was quite frightened

by that and left left the

door open, to to just let some light in,

because she was afraid that the ghost might come back. But,

but She said she said she was literally pooping herself She did say that.

In her actual she's Mike in in the Instagram thing. And and

she hashtags it haunted, hashtag ghost.

Right. So she's like, I am using you know, I am pooping Mike,

hashtag haunted, hashtag ghost. So she's still on the

phone. Anyway, she she said that she did some

historical research and found that there had

been a wealthy man and his wife that that had owned,

the building in the 19 twenties And,

she became pregnant, this woman, and

unfortunately, she gave birth to a stillborn baby

and just, you know, of course, couldn't get over that and,

ended up drowning herself in the bathtub. So,

definitely, Peaches thought that

was a connection, that that was the the the

hand of this, mother, just

wanting to wanting to maybe touch the baby, wanting

to to be a

mother again. She said maybe maybe she's making her presence known because she

loves having the babies around. I hope so. She said

that on her, her social media. Yeah. And

maybe, you know, because she was getting into the OTO at the

time, and, she even carried around Alastair Crowley's

book, The Diary of a Drug Fiend. And she she would take you know,

she was taking Instagram pictures of his books while she while she was

traveling. And, you know, maybe the ghost reached

out to her because she was closer to the, you

know, closer to the dark side there by head messing and becoming part

of the OTO and and getting really into it. Well, you

know, it's just just so sad to think of the title of that

book, you know, Diary of a Drug Fiend, and then how she

she had been clean for a while. And then in April

of this year, you know, had gotten back

into heroin, even with the

kids in the house. And then that that's what eventually

would claim her life. So, I mean, that's

I mean, it's fine to read Aleister Crowley for esoteric

ideas, but It's not a good

idea to, emulate the man's life because follow in his

footsteps, because he he would, you know,

dry die an impoverished drug addict and, you

know, that's that's not the way that we wanna go in life. Well, if if

you think of maybe right. And think about someone, you know, closer to

even to Madison, someone like Chris Farley, who

his idol was, John Belushi.

Right. So we gotta be careful who we idolize. Right. Because he went

out like John Belushi. Like, so he he wanted to be him so bad that

he died like him. Yeah. We might, become more like

them than we thought possible and more than we would want in

our in our saner moments. But then, you know, after after

her death, it's funny just watching

watching the, bulletin boards for, like, above top

secret or, David Mike

websites. Oh, we talked we talked a lot about David Mike, David Ick.

Yeah. And how and how they just kind

of descended on this and as

as, you know, kind of the the the OTO claimed

her or it it was because of the OTO that she

died. And it it's just

you know, so so we have just the people on the

fringe on on on a couple of different sides of it. The idea that, you

know, she was somehow an Illuminati princess

and, you know, she got too close to the flame,

and or or that the OTO killed her. That was

also something that that, online

people, were talking about

quite a lot. So, I I mean, these things don't

seem to have a basis in reality in in my mind, but it's quite

interesting to see people's reaction. Well, you know, in her final

interview, she did have a premonition that she would die like her mother.

Oh. So she did talk about that. She's that,

she would go out, she would die in the same way as her mother.

So, whether that could be she just had, you know,

re realizing she was having heroin problems, and that once that she

played once she played with the fire and she could no longer handle it.

But she admitted herself that, she had a a final

premonition. Wow. And one one wonders if she just

would've stayed with Scientology, if she would've been

alright. Because it it's interesting, to note that,

before, El Ron Hubbard,

started his own thing, he was part of the OTO as well,

and then left the OTO to,

begin his own religion. That's right. So maybe if she were

just stuck with Scientology, then Peaches would have been Yeah.

Still here today. You know, the interesting thing about, the

OTO that we didn't mention is that L. Ron Hubbard, the founder

of Scientology, was once a member of the OTO as

well. Then he, you know, had a

a very definitive break with them, let's say. You'll you'll have to you'll

have to talk about that on a future show. Oh, yes. L

Ron L Ron Hubbard involves with the OT. I mean,

that's L Ron Hubbard, Aleister Crowley, Scientology. The

one good thing you can say about Scientology is they've always

been very antidrug. They seem to have this,

antidrug stance. So, you know, one wishes

that, you know, Peaches Geldof would have just, you know, found some meaning

there. And, you know, it just pains me. If you look online, you can even

see a picture of her her coffin. And on her

coffin is is, an

image of her and her husband

and their 2 dogs and a cat and their 2 children. And just

to, you know, see that on the

coffin and to think, you know, of of the life

that they were having and they could have continued. And so, obviously,

she loved her children, but to, you know, the the

the pull of that drug was just so much that, you know,

she did it in the house when they were there with her. And, you know,

they could have gotten hurt too because, you know, she she died and

they were left alone for many hours. She knew she was going to die. I

mean, the fact that she knew she was going to die. Right. And she had

that premonition which which could have you know, if you have a

premonition, you can do something about it. You know, it doesn't have to

be, self fulfilling prophecy, but that

she didn't. She just went into it. You could have a a beautiful life

like Peaches had and just, you know, have that end

just way too quickly. So the, absolutely. So

so she knew she was gonna Mike, and she had ghostly

encounters in her home And, then then she went

on April 1st this year. And it was no joke. You know, no April Fools'

Day for her. And so that's the short life and tragic

death of Peaches Geldof, a woman who was looking for answers and

unfortunately Wendy up with the wrong ones. Well,

Allison, it's been a delight to talk to you today. Thank you for stopping by.

See you on the other side. I always love talking to you. I'm like, you

know that. And you're welcome anytime. And so for people that

wanna find you online, where can they find you and more information about your

paranormal adventures? Okay. Well, please visit me

at milwaukeeghost.com or you can

also, find me on facebook@facebook.com/paranormamke.

Fantastic. Thanks a lot, Allison, and we'll talk to you soon. Bye, Mike.

Well, that was great. And if you're interested in the link to Allison's

website and a little more information about what Mike and Alison

talked about today, it's on othersidepodcast.com/8,

where we'll also have the lyrics in an MP 3 for today's song, which,

Mike, can you tell us about it? You bet. Well, this is just a song

dedicated to people like Peaches, dedicated

to, like, people, Kim Kardashian

or Paris Hilton

or Nicole Richie. This is Sunspot doing

who cries for the rich girl.

Wait. Human

trash does not recycle.

You're as good as your

new cycle.

Thank you for listening to today's episode. You can find

us online at othersidepodcast.com. Until

next Mike. See you on the other side.