Travis welcomes New Testament scholar Te-Li Lau to the show! Shame is everywhere today. We hear terms like fat-shaming, slut-shaming, etc. Add to that the idea of cancel culture, shame is everywhere we turn and many want to get rid of any idea of shame, but is that right? What does the Bible say about shame? Is shame always bad? Or can it be something good? Listen in as Travis and Te-Li discuss shame, what it is, how it manifests itself, and how God wants us to relate to it.