In this colorful and deeply reflective episode, hosts Corey and Kendall welcome special guest Circus Envy, a celebrated clown persona from haunted attractions, conventions, and film. Circus Envy shares a profound journey that blends horror, cosplay, drag, therapy, and personal healing.

Circus Envy Reveals How Horror and Drag Saved His Life

Key Highlights:

• Origins of Circus Envy:
• Circus Envy details the inception of his iconic clown character, influenced by therapeutic advice to embrace the "trickster" archetype.
• Insights into how embodying a clown helped him confront and process deep-rooted personal trauma.
• Therapy and the Trickster Archetype:
• Circus Envy shares the transformative guidance received from his therapist, who introduced the powerful symbolism behind the trickster and clown characters.
• Discussion about how using clown imagery provided emotional release, personal empowerment, and therapeutic healing.
• Friendship with Amelia Kincaid:
• Circus Envy recounts his meaningful connection with Amelia Kincaid, famed horror actress and animal advocate, highlighting how their friendship influenced both their personal and professional lives.
• Exploration of meditation and guided visualization techniques learned through Amelia, underscoring the unexpected but powerful intersection between horror culture and mental wellness.
• Drag, Horror, and Community Healing:
• Circus Envy reflects on the vibrant intersections of horror, drag culture, and cosplay.
• Celebrating the legacy of drag icon Lily White, and the embracing reception she received at horror conventions, illustrating the healing and inclusive power of community.
• Identity, Shame, and Empowerment:
• Deep conversation on how Circus Envy's clown persona allowed him to safely explore and reclaim aspects of his identity previously shrouded in shame or stigma.
• Insights into using horror and cosplay intentionally for mental and emotional healing.
• Horror Conventions as Safe Spaces:
• Corey, Kendall, and Circus Envy discuss personal anecdotes and emotional revelations experienced at horror conventions.
• Celebrating how these conventions create judgment-free zones that encourage self-expression, curiosity, and connection.
• Collaborations and Inspirations:
• Circus Envy shares heartfelt memories of collaboration with horror legends such as Sid Haig, including his mother's creation of Haig's iconic Captain Spaulding costume.
• Reflecting on inspirations drawn from Karen Black, Dee Wallace, Rob Zombie, and other horror icons known for embracing vulnerability and authenticity.
• Future of Circus Envy:
• Circus Envy discusses plans for evolving his character and using cosplay with therapeutic intentions, aiming to support others on their healing journeys.
• Emphasis on shamanic traditions, sacred clowns, and cosplay as powerful tools for integrating fragmented aspects of self.

Reflective Insights:

• Corey, Kendall, and Circus Envy emphasize breaking stigmas around mental health through honest conversations within the horror community.
• Highlighting horror’s role as a profound, inclusive medium for personal growth, acceptance, and healing.

Corey and Kendall: Circus Envy, welcome to the Horror Heels podcast.

Circus Envy: so much for having me.

Corey and Kendall: Absolutely. This is, this is exciting. so many things to talk about, but I think where we want to begin is just maybe the origin of Circus Envy. Right.

Circus Envy: origin, not the fictional origin. There's so many nuances to that.I started doing haunted houses And just started doing, you know, like, a very generic character. And, I decided to go toward a clown character. My therapist told me that the trickster, she introduced me to the trickster character.

Circus Envy: So I thought, you know, maybe a clown would be effective. And this is before, everyone was doing clowns and having a more definitive archetype was very effective with people at the haunted houses. so that's kind of how, my therapist also told me that, the way to the king is through the clown.

Circus Envy: So I've kind of spent a lifetime processing that here's what you get after years of healing.

Corey and Kendall: Exactly. So, how was the evolvement or the evolution of where you started in and to where Circus Envy ended up?

Circus Envy: I started at haunted houses and I developed the character more with, adding to it. then I started going to horror conventions and meeting a lot of people and networking. in that process I started developing the story behind them, which is, really A lot of metaphor for the trauma that I had been through. my initial idea was to have Circus Envy, like, this little boy would see this corpse, like a corpse was watching over him, or ghost. the corpse took the, clown makeup to diffuse his look, but it only ended up, you know, to make it more palatable for the kid.

Circus Envy: But it ended up making it scarier, the fictional story is a little different than that now. That was kind of the initial idea.

Corey and Kendall: Well, yeah, there's definitely two subjects that I'm chomping at the bit to

Circus Envy: Heh

Corey and Kendall: let's talk about Amelia Kincaid because, a fantastic character and iconic character and love what she does for the horror community. and I love what she does for, Animals and stuff, too. not everybody knows this, but, Rue McClanahan from the Golden Girls was her aunt. And I did an interview, with Rue, before she passed. And I was able to share that with Emilia, which was nice.

Circus Envy: That's really cool

Corey and Kendall: Yeah.

Circus Envy: And so we just like clicked and she was, we became friends ever since. And a friend of mine ended up recording some of her meditations. And so we spent some time together and, We were driving and at that time she was going to churches and things like that speaking about her animal communication And she was a little bit leery of saying that she was a demon previously in the movie She was a little bit ashamed of it My whole message is you have to go to through the dark to get to the light and I told her you advocate animals that are they're demonized that's what you do and She we've talked about so much stuff that work, you know, we're That would affect me later.

Circus Envy: I had no idea she wrote about me and our conversation in her book until someone said, is this about you? And, she really took to that and, really embrace the horror character then.

Corey and Kendall: and a great ally for the queer community too. So that's you know, thank you amelia

Circus Envy: absolutely amazing. She also was so, fundamental in some of the stuff that I've done to heal. Like meditating was just such a, I thought it was just. You know what you typically see with monks. I didn't know this can be a process of imagination and visualization I just didn't realize that at all. I thought it was the opposite just clearing your mind.

Circus Envy: I'm an overthinker. I can't do that

Corey and Kendall: Mm hmm.

Circus Envy: But I can definitely do that

Corey and Kendall: It'd be interesting to explore that topic of meditation within the horror community. That's not something we've really talked about yet. So that'd be interesting to go down that rabbit hole.

Circus Envy: Yeah, guided meditations have been huge for me, and I'm thinking about, I'm trying to see what I can do to record some of my own.

Corey and Kendall: Oh, no, you're fine. You're fine. I'm amazed that you do as well as, I mean, it is, an obstruction, right?

Circus Envy: It's like, the teeth are denture, denture creamed in, and thanks to an old drag queen trick, my hair is on the carpet tape. I'm just kidding. I didn't know you could do that. They're like, where's your bald cap? I'm like, it's all me. laughter

Corey and Kendall: I saw that that was in the notes, but yeah, we were going to ask about Lily.

Circus Envy: She is, she's amazing. Like, everybody knows her. Mark from, Nightmare on Elm Street 2, he knew her. She's, actually the basis for Aunt Lil and the Squidbillies.

Corey and Kendall: Oh, okay.

Corey and Kendall: was based in Atlanta. Wow.

Circus Envy: So, anyway, now I forgot where I was going with that, I apologize.

Corey and Kendall: That's okay. No, we, I

Corey and Kendall: Yeah. For us, growing up in the Midwest, it would've been, waffle House, .

Circus Envy: I'm in Georgia so I know all about Lawful House. I'm just down the road from the original one

Corey and Kendall: Oh, wow.

Circus Envy: It's a museum

Corey and Kendall: Yeah. very cool. So what did, Lily think of the horror convention?

Circus Envy: She was, she was just something, she was one of a kind. She knew RuPaul, you know, RuPaul started out here in Atlanta as well. And Lady Bunny, and like a lot of early drag members.

Corey and Kendall: You know, it's such a shame that, the drag community is still under attack. and trying to be erased, because for a lot of us, like being exposed, like our 1st drag show or our 1st time going to, a gay bar, a gay club with drag Queens. It's like that. That's just forged in our memory.

Corey and Kendall: You know, that was such it was so special for Kendall and I to visit Stonewall together for the 1st time. And, shout out to, Katrina Marie, the first drag queen who just roasted the hell out of me in the audience is a little scared, a little 21 year old boy.

Circus Envy: Oh yeah.

Corey and Kendall: so we, yeah, we got to do what we can to continue to assist that community for sure.

Circus Envy: I think, drag and cosplay too, that when they're done with intent, they're so healing. And I think, Within the gay community, the, fear of feminine is such a big thing, period, with the gay community and otherwise. with Circus Envy, the thing that was so powerful about him is everything I was ashamed of in real life, I was able to wear in a different scenario and say, what if these things didn't cause me shame?

Circus Envy: For instance, you know, being a gay guy and being perceived as a predator. I could, you know, claim that as a clown and, in a playful way at a haunted house where it was safe to kind of act that out, being aggressive and loud and being, just dirty, like being perceived with all the things. So I could kind of own that in a different way.

Circus Envy: Just like, like, what if I own these things and I just wasn't ashamed of them and it just really helped me. It really did help me do a lot of my shadow work.

Corey and Kendall: That's great. You make a very good point because I feel like. know, I'm 54, and I grew up in an era where, and I grew up in the South, and I grew up in an era where, you know, being effeminate was like one of the worst things, even for a gay guy be, and it's so sad that we're still, in some ways, we're still kind of caught in That mindset and, good for you for like embracing those aspects where you could be playful and, let that out there and, have a good time.

Circus Envy: didn't exactly know that's what I was doing at the time, you know, it came more into consciousness as I did it. Where did you grow up in the South?

Corey and Kendall: Blytheville, Arkansas. It's, the very northeast corner. We were closer to Memphis. We had to go to Memphis to do anything, but that was home. I haven't lived there in 100 years, but, that was home, but if you get Kendall around his half sister, Stephanie, or his best friend, Jimmy, also both.

Corey and Kendall: from Arkansas. The accent comes back. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think I still have it. We live in New England and I get teased all the time about My accent, you know, but then it's funny because I secretly still kind of, chuckle to myself when everybody's packing the car and all that, you know, all those things that we do up here.

Circus Envy: It's just comical because they don't think they have an accent at all. I hear

Corey and Kendall: all regional.

Circus Envy: Go

Circus Envy: grew up in, outside of Atlanta and, went in, was a gay kid in a Christian school, like I went to a small Baptist school, and you know, I knew I was gay, I knew I was sexually molested, and I had just so much brewing inside of me, and I really took to monsters, even prior to the haunted house, because I related a lot to the vampire character, I felt like the boy I was supposed to be was dead, I'm 51, so I'm very close to your age in the South, so you definitely understand.

Corey and Kendall: Mm hmm.

Circus Envy: I was always drawn toward a metaphor and symbolism, and I just didn't understand that was a language through call call. You know, I can't really can't say that name with these teeth.

Corey and Kendall: Not today.

Circus Envy: Yeah, my therapist kind of opened me up to that and I was terrified of therapy because I thought, you know, there's a perception that adulthood is going to strip you of your individuality anyway and. Therapy. I just thought, Oh, you know, that maybe bleach my hair blonde.

Corey and Kendall: Yeah.

Circus Envy: And she so embraced my creativity and helped me see the metaphor behind it.

Circus Envy: And she was amazing. she's actually still in my life. And that was when I was 17 years old.

Corey and Kendall: Wow. that's awesome. That is great. That's a testament to, it's effectiveness. Well, I,

Circus Envy: plenty of bad therapists since.

Corey and Kendall: that's one of the reasons that why we do this podcast is, you know, we know we all, everybody's going through something, mentally. But there's, you know, there's still this like stigma and shame and stuff attached to it that, you know, some people aren't ready to talk about their own healing or explore their own healing.

Corey and Kendall: And so we're hoping that through this, that, you know, we're at least able to kind of get a little bit more of the noise out there to let people know that it's okay to talk about your mental struggles. It's okay to talk about being in therapy. You know, it's, it's okay to ask for help. Mm-hmm

Circus Envy: you know, speaking of fear of feminine is beyond the gay community and beyond females. It's there's this whole thing that like perceived masculinity is perceived as experiencing a feeling and just not reacting to it. Which is obviously, that's being a psychopath as not being a man. And there's, there's such a fear.

Circus Envy: I think, when the feminine side of the psyche is your intuition and. You know, you can see that there's a, they want us tuned into our intuition. They, they want us, you know, like with, with, politicians and things like that, you see they want to control the narrative.

Corey and Kendall: Absolutely. Well, we just gotta keep raising our voices. Mm-hmm

Circus Envy: So what made you guys connect horror and healing?

Corey and Kendall: I'm huge into going to the horror conventions and there are some great ones here on the East coast. So I was at one last March, monster Mania in Cherry Hill, New Jersey, and waiting in line to meet a guest. And there was this, young man. Next to me, who was clearly in some kind of duress and very anxious, like visibly.

Corey and Kendall: I was about to say like, Hey, if you know, cause it's, you know, how they are, they get crowded. I was about to just, you know, if you need to step away and then come back into line when it's your turn, like that would be fine. But before I did that, the person on the other side of him noticed the DVDs he was holding and complimented them.

Corey and Kendall: And all of a sudden, like all the anxiety and fear. Washed away and they started chatting and we're just chatting it up for the rest of the time in line. And so Kendall had already put the mug in my ear about hey, let's do you know a horror podcast But we hadn't fallen on you know what the theme was going to be.

Corey and Kendall: So I just I mean he was like, oh horror heels And so I called him and I was like told him the story and like I just had this experience I think this is where this is our calling. I think this is where we need to go And so that was it and then we just started planning the The series from there and launched on Friday, the 13th and September last year.

Corey and Kendall: And feedback has been wonderful. so many people saying like, wow, this is so needed. Like, I don't know why nobody's thought of this before, but this is so needed. So, yeah, it's, it's been great. And we bonded over horror, We'll have been together for 20 years

Corey and Kendall: Very early on, that was our thing, you know, so thank goodness. Yeah. I'm glad it wasn't kind of, wasn't like a huge rom com person because I'm not, I'm not either. So like our, joint go tos are horror movies. Repulsed Drag Race, and that's about, yeah, there's plenty, there's certainly plenty to explore there, especially these days when there are just so many great independent, movies being made that are, streaming or fan films on YouTube and stuff.

Corey and Kendall: Sid Haig is definitely, considered a treasure to so many, you know, everybody's still very sad about his passing and such a fixture on the convention scene. and just very, very nice guy. Like, I've never heard anybody say, A bad thing about Sid. So Can you talk a little bit about, how you ended up doing this? Captain Spalding Makeup

Circus Envy: And, I, it just so happened, one Dragon Con I cosplayed Captain Spalding and, I showed him the picture and everything. And so next thing I knew he was doing an in makeup, appearance. And I'd seen his in makeup where he had married, like married, someone officiated a marriage and makeup wasn't good.

Circus Envy: His costume was like overalls and it didn't look like Spalding. And I didn't have the best costume then it was kind of something just put together, but I said, do you want to borrow this? And he was like, yeah. So the next thing I knew I was taking him a costume and I had the more typical costume with the bow, you know, the big bow tie, the, red, white, and blue my mom can make you one of those, like using that as a pattern.

Circus Envy: So she ended up making, if you've ever seen him in the in costume appearances, that was my mother that made the costumes.

Corey and Kendall: Oh wow. That's so cool. I'll have to send you the, there's a photo of me with Sid and Bill Mosley in costume. I'm, I don't really cosplay, this is like barely cosplay, but I'm cosplaying his baby

Circus Envy: That's great.

Corey and Kendall: Yeah.

Circus Envy: Sid was the hypnotherapist.

Corey and Kendall: Really?

Circus Envy: Mm

Corey and Kendall: I did not know that.

Circus Envy: He sure was. I did a panel with him and Amy Allen from, what is the show?

Corey and Kendall: I can't either.

Circus Envy: she's eluding me right now. She's no longer on there, but, yeah, I did a panel with her and them about the trickster.

Circus Envy: And, And so, I have that on video too. It's not the greatest audio, but I found that out about her being a hypnotherapist. we talked about the trickster characters being, you know, Amy said that, Dead Files is what she was on. Was talking about how they would come up, like, if there was like, undealt with childhood trauma.

Circus Envy: And, you know, that's, I thought that was really interesting to kind of point you where you need healing. And, it's the clown is just, again, that, that archetype being pointing you to like you'd be menacing poltergeists and stuff like that, but they really point you to where you need the healing at.

Corey and Kendall: What did Sid think of your makeup job? I

Circus Envy: Like he was my dad. It was so hilarious. I always wanted to do like a father son thing where I had to come out to him and call it, sit in a different kind of Nancy.

Corey and Kendall: love that. we love hearing stories like that. You know, it enriches the legacy, so thank you for sharing that. how did you end up in the movies?

Circus Envy: with Halloween 2 shooting here, I knew some people working on it, and so I was able to become, an extra in the movie. And then, with Clown Motel, my reputation got out there after a while, so I ended up talking to the director of that and flying out for a week, and I really wasn't in that too much.

Circus Envy: I was in it for a second, and I mostly did the makeup in it, some of the makeup.

Corey and Kendall: Very cool. What was it like being on a Rob Zombie set?

Circus Envy: That was amazing. He's very nice. He seemed very nice. All the people he worked with are so nice. I'm sure you met Leslie Easterbrook and, Did you guys ever get to meet Karen Black?

Corey and Kendall: No, sadly no. she was so good in House of a Thousand Corpses. I mean, she's amazing in everything she's in, but that was just, yeah, she really ate that. Ate those scenes up.

Circus Envy: That, she, you know, talk about, you know, Blanche from The Olden Girls. She was very much that, cat on a hot tin roof kind of Blanche character. And I loved how she was so Kind of like my mother, like she, my mom loved people and overlooked their flaws, but also, you know, she saw all parts of her kids and just accepted them.

Circus Envy: And I just loved that about her. I was so drawn to her. And, you know, she chose her own outfits for that movie.

Circus Envy: And, uh,and the movie that it was filmed at the chicken ranch, which was, the best little whorehouse in Texas.

Circus Envy: I have a theory that they said, you know, you're going to look like an aged prostitute. I think she thinks she's an aged Dolly Parton in that movie. I really do.

Corey and Kendall: I did not know that was the chicken ranch. that's a nice piece of trivia.

Circus Envy: I asked Haga about her and she was like, she's always talking about that goddamn Scientology. She was really cool. I only got to meet her briefly, but she recommended Red Dirt, which was a movie with her and Walt Dawkins. And she's like, it's about a different kind of mother. She was just, I took her some Godiva chocolates. SheShe just was really cute. I was very glad I got to meet her.

Corey and Kendall: Yeah. I've heard nothing but good things about, Rob, and I know that he also feels the same way that we do that horror is good for our mental wellness where it can be healing. of course, he's a dream guest, to get on here and, someday, who knows, we'll just keep putting the stuff out into the universe and see what happens.

Circus Envy: Yeah, I got to be on set with him two days, but I only got like two seconds to talk to him, because I'm like, don't look at him, don't talk to him, but he was nice when I did get to speak to him,

Corey and Kendall: Yeah,

Circus Envy: like I said, meeting D. Wallace and everybody that I've talked to and met has been so nice that it's affiliated with him.

Corey and Kendall: Oh, D's fantastic. she was, One of our first guests that we had on the podcast and yeah, she's great. And very into the healing and stuff

Circus Envy: Yeah, perfect person to bridge that gap.

Corey and Kendall: Yeah. Very kind.

Corey and Kendall: Sowhat usually like, what happens now where circus envy is going to pop up?

Corey and Kendall: I know you said you haven't done the makeup in a while, but like what brings circus envy out into the light, right out into the dark.

Circus Envy: Yeah, that's a good question. I am trying to determine that now. Like it's, I'm really trying to go more toward, I really want to do something where I can use cosplay with intention to help people heal. And, I think there's so much power in, you can cosplay a hero and something that, you idealize about yourself, but when you're able to.

Circus Envy: Cosplay and let yourself do something that's not totally positive, and let your embrace those subconscious parts or, bring those out into the light. There's something so powerful about that. and I don't think it's a new concept because shamanic masking the shamans go in and retrieve the broken parts of the psyche or the soul.

Circus Envy: And it's, you know, it's, it's putting back the dissociative pieces after trauma. You know, it's just, I love that parallel. I didn't realize how much like with the native, the indigenous sacred clowns, and their, the way they mirror, I didn't know any of this about clowns, you know, like when I first started doing clowns and it just intrigued me that they had such a role in, in showing, you know, like they, they embrace the negative side and they make fun of things.

Circus Envy: They're nothing sacred to them and we're so As a society, we're so tied to, seeing the ones that we don't see the paradox, we see one side of the issue it's, it's so important to, I love there's, do you guys know Emily Devine by any chance?

Corey and Kendall: not ringing a bell.

Circus Envy: She does a TED talk in the trickster and this is my, this is my life advice.

Circus Envy: she said she started out in improv comedy and her one rule or the one rule of improv comedy is you can never deny another person's reality. And that is, you know, that is so amazing to me. Like it's, that that has helped me navigate, you know, my relationships with my Baptist brothers and sisters

Circus Envy: I always thought, I always thought I'm too sensitive, you know, like growing up, I just thought that.

Circus Envy: I was so different than, you know, my sister lives on a golf course, it's like, it's so funny, like, we're so different, but I realized during that time with taking care of mom that, my sensitivity is not a weakness, you know, my emotions and things like that, and I realized I was the only sibling that could do that, and, I really found my place in the family through that, and it's so weird that the thing that I feared the most ended up healing me so much.

Corey and Kendall: Yeah,

Circus Envy: been kind of in a period of isolation. I haven't done a lot of conventions or anything like that. And I'm trying to find how I want to show up in the world now, how I want to combine this character that I put out there kind of as a novelty.

Circus Envy: So I've been trying to do that for a while, but now I really feel that I'm on the path where I'm healed enough that I really have something to offer people.

Corey and Kendall: I totally agree. You've got a lot to offer out there and it would be amazing to see you at a convention. Dragon Con was like my first like weekend long convention back when I don't, I think it was like 19 the first time that we went, but wow, what an experience Dragon Con is.

Circus Envy: Yeah, it's overwhelming to now, especially it's gotten so big.

Corey and Kendall: Yeah. It's, I mean, even back when I was going, I think it was like 97, 96 or 97. And it's just like, wow. Just like, I mean, if you just want to people watch, you just like grab your popcorn,

Circus Envy: It is that you definitely see all kinds of costumes and everything else.

Corey and Kendall: Yeah, it was so impressive. That was kind of like my first sort of taste of because it's such a hodgepodge of a little bit of everything, you know, sci fi, horror, comic books, you know, all that stuff. But it was just like, wow, this is what this is. This is something. This is like, this is really cool. DragonCon was the first time I really got that twinge before I even ever went to a horror theme convention.

Circus Envy: I started out, you know, In 96, I was going to Tower Records here in Atlanta, looking to see toy magazines. You know, I didn't have internet at that point. And I started traveling. I went to Spooky World in Massachusetts to see Elvira. That was my first trip. And then, conventions weren't so big then. And the next year, I wanted to meet Butch Patrick.

Circus Envy: And so, we go to New York. I fly in with a friend of mine. To New York City. I had no idea. I was under 25. So we had to rent a van from Rent A Wreck having no idea the drive You know, so we're tripping, you know, like going around the city and everything else and then that night drive overnight to We go to Niagara Falls.

Circus Envy: That's where the convention was. So I meet Butch Patrick and he was like, oh you live in Atlanta? I live in Conyers. So like I could have taken morning to see him All that drive went by the Amityville house and everything we

Corey and Kendall: Oh, yeah. Awesome.

Circus Envy: Squeezed in everything

Corey and Kendall: That's great. Very cool. So you kind of alluded to this before. I know you, but Circus Envy has been around before, like this killer clown resurgence, you know, of course, the terrifying movies and art, the clown has become the current, like serial killer icon, what do you, how do you feel about that whole phenomenon?

Circus Envy: I love Sid Haig and I love Captain Spaulding. I'm not that huge of a fan of other clowns. I know that's terrible, but, I like it in concept because I think it's such a good metaphor. I'm a little more into the psychology part of it. the terrifier, the first one, it just didn't, sometimes I can be into the fun, you know, I just didn't grasp me that was another, you know, he's very nice.

Corey and Kendall: I met him briefly, Yeah, it's not everybody's taste for sure.

Circus Envy: I tell you, people, I don't like Tim Curry for some reason. He reminds me of my Christian school coach. And it's traumatic, so.

Corey and Kendall: Oh, there you go.

Circus Envy: always like, what, you don't like him? I'm like, no, I don't. I just didn't get that. I didn't get that interpretation of the book very well. You know, I just didn't see that.

Circus Envy: There's just certain aspects, I think, of clown stuff that appeal to me.

Corey and Kendall: the last question that we always ask every guest on the podcast is who is your favorite final person in a horror movie? Like the character that survives.

Circus Envy: Oh gosh. I don't know.

Corey and Kendall: it's not an easy one.

Circus Envy: It's really not. I can't even think now.

Corey and Kendall: know. It's like. My mind always goes to current things, but yeah, that's not really what I chose. So now we have both

Circus Envy: trying to think of, movies and who survives now. You just made this whole thing out of it.

Corey and Kendall: I

Circus Envy: It's a whole matrix. I can't even, you guys totally stumped me on this.

Corey and Kendall: That's okay. So mine is, Nancy Thompson, Heather Lane and camp from the original Nightmare on Elm Street and Kendall's is, Adrian King from the first Friday the 13th.

Circus Envy: Oh yeah, yeah.

Corey and Kendall: Yeah, I just, I don't know, there's something that movie and it's all about what was happening in your personal life, right? Like, I just identify, I love the Halloween series always will, but there's something about the Friday the 13th series that.

Corey and Kendall: It feels like my first, the first series that I embraced, you know, so.

Circus Envy: I think Nancy's great too. I like the whole concept of what you put your belief into. You know, I like the way they ended that and putting power into it. Putting power into fear. I love the way, horror conventions give you the opportunity to approach things, with less judgment and more curiosity because we need more of that in the world.

Corey and Kendall: Absolutely. Awesome. Well, we so appreciate you taking your time and we really are looking forward to hearing where circus envy is going to emerge next. Like, so definitely keep us in the loop on that because I think you definitely have a great message, a great heart and, you know, that's what we need right now.

Circus Envy: Yeah. Well, thank you guys too. When I saw Horror Heels, I was like, yes, my people. I just loved it. I was like, oh, so excited to type in here.

Corey and Kendall: Oh, that's great. Yeah. It's, this has been great. Well, and, heck, if you start delving more into the healing thing, you can be our, like, Georgia correspondent for, Right.

Circus Envy: I just scratched the surface.

Corey and Kendall: Well, we'll definitely be staying in touch then.

Circus Envy: Sounds good.

Corey and Kendall: thank you again for, you know, putting on the garb and everything for us too. We appreciate that.

Circus Envy: Yeah, no problem.