What if we could detect disease before it even shows symptoms? In this episode, Dr. Fab Mancini interviews neurologist and tech innovator Dr. Francisco Cidral on the revolutionary impact of health technology. From real-time biomarkers to the hidden dangers of chronic stress, this conversation explores how cutting-edge tools are helping both patients and providers intervene before illness strikes. Whether you're a practitioner or simply health-conscious, this episode will change how you view your body's early warning signs.

Highlights:

6:10 Silent Disease Development

Chronic diseases often develop without noticeable symptoms, sometimes taking years to manifest. This delay makes early detection essential for prevention and effective intervention.

10:07 Predictive Health Mapping

Advancements in health technology now allow practitioners to identify and measure potential health issues before symptoms appear, shifting care from reactive to preventive.

12:57 Rapid Comprehensive Health Assessment

Biotechna is a cutting-edge health assessment system that combines multiple devices to analyze brain function, the autonomic nervous system, and body composition—all in under 5 minutes.

18:46 The Chronic Disease Epidemic

Six out of ten Americans suffer from chronic illnesses. Even more alarming, these conditions are increasingly common in people as young as their 20s and 30s.

24:25 Personalized Digital Health Tracking

A powerful at-home device empowers patients to monitor their health markers and receive tailored feedback from healthcare providers—improving both accountability and lifestyle outcomes.

28:07 Continuous Patient Engagement

These digital tools keep patients connected and engaged between clinical visits, promoting proactive care and helping to prevent disease progression.

35:28 Science-Driven Health Innovation

Ethical research and evidence-based practice are central. The goal: to validate health technologies with real data and provide trustworthy information to both providers and patients.

About the Guest

Dr. Francisco Cidral is an accomplished professional with a profound educational foundation in the health sciences, holding a Master’s degree and a Ph.D. in Neuroscience, complemented by a Post-Doctorate in Health Sciences. Driven by a commitment to evidence-based wellness, he advocates for healthy living strategies and non-invasive integrative therapies, all underpinned by rigorous scientific research. Working alongside a global network of professors, scientists, and researchers, Dr. Cidral is dedicated to exploring, substantiating, and implementing innovative solutions that promote health and well-being, effectively bridging the gap between traditional health practices and cutting-edge scientific research.

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Dr. Francisco Cidral: Sometimes it takes years before the symptoms arise, and then by the time people feel something, you know, this is wrong, they already have that disease state. So we need to develop things to look at before you know, person feels those conditions and those situations.

Dr. Fab Mancini: Hi, everyone. This is Dr fab Mancini, and I'm super excited to be with you today, because we have an incredible scientist, Dr Francisco sidrao, has a master's and a PhD in neurology, and also has been one of the most advanced individuals out there that has evaluated technology and how technology is really become the biggest disruptor in our healthcare system. So Francisco, it's so great to see you. How have you

Dr. Francisco Cidral: Been great pleasure, my friend, to be here.

Dr. Fab Mancini: Well, you know, I've been looking forward to having this conversation, because, as I lecture, and even in my book, I had to actually put a whole chapter on new technologies and wearables and things that people are using in order to track their markers, how much time they sleep, how much they walk, how deep they breathe. I mean, you name it. So tell me a little bit about from your perspective, where do you see the role of technology right now in healthcare? Because you have a company that actually evaluates as a third party evaluator, you work with some of the biggest universities around the world to evaluate the efficiency and effectiveness of most of these technologies. So what do you see as the role of technology right now in healthcare?

Dr. Francisco Cidral: It's a major role. I mean, technology is in every aspect of modern life, and no different in health and wellness. Right remember back in the day when we would go to see a patient, and no matter how much experience you have, you always add that into the back of your head. Am I going to really find what's going on over here? You know, right? Like, even today, you still have a little bit of that. And then you start, you know, seeing the different things now with with the use of technology and these modern devices that we have in functional health and wellness, we I don't have that anymore because, because I can see, from a physiological standpoint, everything that is happening. And these new devices, they tell us real time what's happening in the brain and the autonomic nervous system, in their body composition, you know, in the cortisol levels and everything else. And gives you, like, a clear indication. So I think it's very welcoming. You know, these, these new devices and these technologies from a clinical standpoint, but also, because we're, we are very concerned all the time, you and I, and a lot of conscious you know, physicians and practitioners out there with treating the person before they actually develop a disease, right? This is our job. Our job is not to treat a disease, is to promote health. So when you can use these markers in an intelligent way to preventively, and that's what you do all the time, and you talk about, you know, at the end of chronic diseases and everything else, I mean, this is the way that that we do it, like we look at technology and gives us all the physiological aspects and what's happening with the individual, and then we can address those issues before they manifest in terms of a disease. So I just love it.

Dr. Fab Mancini: You know, it's interesting, because, as you know, the big dialog in healthcare, not only in America, initially, I thought it was in America, but it's all over the world. Is chronic diseases make up the majority of the healthcare costs, but also the suffering of humanity, I believe, is the leading cause of death, according to the who it is, over 70% of the of the people that die, they die from a chronic disease. So this is really serious. Now, you mentioned something that I'm very passionate about, and I have to give credit for a big portion of Robert Kennedy Jr, because when he took over HHS, he really set a mission to really look at disease, especially chronic disease, from a root cause perspective. And you said it technology today is one of the most viable ways that we can actually measure a root cause before it becomes a symptom that may be then being diagnosed as a disease process. I don't like to use the word disease I like to use the word disease process because the reality of it is an ever changing many times people say to me, you know, fab, I've been diagnosed with this, and they think it's a life sentence. And you and I know that disease comes and goes depending on how we address that root cause of the issue. So when it. Comes to chronic disease, what are you the most exciting about getting to this root cause components? Because we know that, not only as providers and me, we have technology today, and you're using some of the most advanced technologies that I've seen in 38 years, that we can actually measure things even before they show up as a symptom. And that, to me, it is incredible, because it's not just the notion of me evaluating my lifestyle choices. Have I been exposed to mold? Have I been exposed to toxicity? Are this really micro? I'm doing a fox news segment of microplastics and how it's one of the leading causes of what they're claiming, a lot of the hard challenges that their cardiovascular challenges that they're

having. So I'm doing a lot of research on that right now for my segment that is coming up later this week. But in your opinion, tell me a little bit about what is it about this biomarkers that get you excited? And how is it that we need to look at it not as providers, but also individuals that may be watching this and listening to this, that are just consumers that want to know how to become a healthier human being.

Dr. Francisco Cidral: So that's a long answer, but a very interesting one, I should say so. So you're right, right there. One of the biggest challenges in modern healthcare is that all these chronic diseases like, you know, diabetes, cardiovascular conditions, autoimmune diseases, they often develop dying. Sometimes they it takes years before the symptoms arise, and then by the time people feel something, you know, this is wrong, they already have that disease state. So we need to develop things to look at before you know, person feels those conditions and those situations generally has to do, of course, with the lifestyle patterns that we have, which are very unhealthy. But also one of the biggest contributors to that is the exposure to chronic stress. So I like to say from chronic stress to chronic disease, because that's what it is chronic stress, when combined with the excess workload that we have, the lack of physical activity, disrupted sleep patterns that's very common on poor eating habits, it creates what we call like a perfect storm that disrupts bodies for regulatory systems. The body's intelligence, it's trying to regulate himself all the time, but all the things that we throw at it, it's very complicated in the brain. For instance, the stress over activates the limbic system, the fear and emotions, and suppresses prefrontal cortex activity, leading to impaired and emotional regulation, focus and cognitive performance is very common, like a lot of people I assess, and one of the devices is referring to a spectroscopy device that measures blood flow and oxygen metabolism in the prefrontal cortex. And the numbers are very low, you know, not be and people start to say, man, young people, like, at age 50, whatever they say, like, I can't concentrate, I can't read a book. I can't because the blood and everything else and the attention of your brain is in the rectal plane and the reptilian part of your brain and the defense system

activation of chronic stress, the autonomic nervous system is the maximum that suffers, becomes imbalanced because it's stuck in sympathetic dominance the whole time, and the reduced parasympathetic tone that has to do with rest, digestion and recovery. Oh my gosh, rest, digesting and recovery is imbalanced, and it leads to poor recovery and chronic exhaustion. This leads to neuroendocrine disruptions and increase in low grade chronic inflammation. The low grade chronic inflammation is the silent driver behind most modern health issues, as you know right after that, when you have that, all that system in place, then you start to have alterations in your body composition and functional decline that comes with age, but speeding up the process. So the result is loss of muscle mass, so sarcopenia, loss of bone mass, osteopenia and and a fat accumulation, especially visceral fat, and what's called intramuscular adipose tissue, or intramuscular fat, which is very hard to solve, and then you have sleep loss, poor diet accelerates insulin resistance. And you know, because we're working with the product that based on that now hormonal imbalances and metabolic inflexibility. So, so all all of these different things, if you're able to determine what's called your osteosarcopenic Obesity index, which is a score that combines the results from autonomic nervous system, from osteopenia, from sarcopenia, from obesity, that are the basis of all of these chronic diseases like metabolic syndromes, cardiovascular cognitive decline, immune disorders, accelerating aging and everything else you're able to help the person before it gets there. And these devices that we are using, they're assessing all of these different components and putting it all together. So if you're able to solve that. And then you, of course, you need to introduce habits that are more healthy in terms of exercising, stress management and so on, so forth.

Dr. Fab Mancini: Well, you know, it's interesting because I attended a symposium in Orlando where I got to hear your lecture on all the studies that you've been doing with this new technologies, right? And one of the things that I said to you is that I'm supporting in my mission of ending chronic disease, primarily for the purpose of re empowering the individual to make better, intentional health choices. That's really the way that I'm framing it. I'm framing it as, look, we may not have control of many of our external environments or even what the government may not do, what my company may or may not do, what my household may or may not do. You may be sitting in a household where your partner refuses to stop smoking, where your partner refuses to eat more whole foods, rather than processed foods, where your partner refuses to invest in air filters and water filters to keep clean air and water. But what I often say is that we do have the ability to make a better choice today than we did yesterday, and that will hopefully lead us into a better tomorrow. But when I listened to your lecture, what hit me was the fact that we have an opportunity now with this new science, to be able to not only measure but identify right because to me, it's not about just the mentoring, but to identify what particular mechanisms may be struggling or suffering may be broken, that may lead into a disease process later on and then now, as a provider, it empowers me to then better support my patients, but as a patient, it better helps me Understand what better choices can I make today? So if you determine that all of the sudden, some of these markers are very high with the low grade inflammation or or any of the other things that you mentioned, now we have a series of actions activities that we can recommend to our patients. And that's the part that really excited me, because that's what really helps. So let's talk a little bit about, if I'm a provider listening to this,

you know, this technology is called biotechna, and tell me a little bit about, how does it work. How do I utilize the technology? Do? Is it something that I just utilized with my new patients, be able to incorporate it into my regular process of evaluating this patient and then putting that information with other information together, then I can make a better recommendation for that patient as far as the treatment plan, yeah,

Dr. Francisco Cidral: It's A system that has been developed over many years by a genius Physiologist and an engine biomedical engineering in Italy, and it's been in use for more than 30 years. The company is very well validated through through studies and research like, for instance, one of the devices that helps with modulation of the way that your body is transmitting information through the nervous system. It's called ragmetax. The studies with this device has more than 2000 people. So it's like it's very well, it's very well set up and very well organized. And the idea behind this is not just assessing disease. They're not interested in that. They're interested in your physiology. How well your physiology isn't working, how well your body is functioning, long before the symptoms or lab abnormalities, I could call it, they'll show up. So it's an uninvasive tools that are used to give you a full picture of your physiological state, your stress load in the early sides of inflammation and metabolic imbalance. It's a combination of different devices. So we got to my office, and the first thing that I'm going to do is going to look at your brain function. So it's a far right spectroscopy that measures blood oxygen flow, blood flow and oxygen metabolism in your prefrontal cortex. It gives you real time information on how well your brain is working. And then it also offers therapy. It's a Neurofeedback device to enhance focus, emotional regulation and cognitive performance. So it's very key for understanding cognitive stress and top down control of your system. So that's one unit that the other unit. After I look at your brain, then I'm going to look at your and this, this evaluation, by the way, takes five minutes, so it's super, super fast, and the second step down would be the autonomic nervous system. So I use a placemographic device that measures blood flow. Blood flow is controlled by the heart, that is controlled by the autonomic nervous system.

So it measures heart reverability and autonomic balance. Identify sympathetic. Parasympathetic dominance, tracks microcirculation and stress adaptation, and also includes a respiratory biofeedback therapy to retrain your system to improve the way that your your parasympathetic is working the balance between the two, right? So I'm looking at your brain, then your autonomic nervous system, then I do a full analysis of your body composition through a bio repeatance analysis. It takes another minute and a half and it looks at muscle mass, fat mass, body water, intracellular water, extracellular water. Is very well validated marker of low grade chronic inflammation because of the relationship with C reactive protein. So I can look at signs of low grade chronic information and the way that the HDA axis is imbalanced and is working. This system has a correlation of more than 95% with a DEXA that is invasive, that takes a much longer time. So the the assessment is incredible, once they have how your brain is working, our nervous system is working and how your body composition is, I can use two systems that are incredible. One that gives you a complete osteocytes that I just described before, and the second one, which is to me, is even more interesting, because it's based on more than 40 million assessments, right? So it uses a statistical modeling to provide a five year percentage for developing specific chronic conditions. It tells you, if you have these markers over here that are altered, then these are your chances for you to develop a cardiovascular dysfunction, metabolic syndrome, psychological disorder, cancer and chronic inflammatory disease. And it gives me the markers. What are the markers that are altered, that are leading to that? So if you as a clinician, you're going to look at the market and say, okay, hydration very low, rmssd, so I need to stimulate Vegas. And so you know what to do when you see all those you know different markers in assessment.

And then we have systems also to treat. There is, there is a combination of two other systems apart, you know, these are already treatment, but the other ones, they the RAM attacks, for instance, is an electrodermal biofeedback that provides cellular optimization using targeted microcurrent therapy so it enhances membrane potential and and reduces, you know, pain situations, but also ideal for neurological, inflammatory and stress related convictions and the and the TOMAX, which is a unique he got a prize, actually, a few years ago in Europe, as the Best Innovation for health and wellness in Europe. It's a bioelectrical tissue mapping that assesses extracellular matrix, and you know the importance of the extracellular matrix, so detects bioelectrical imbalances, oxygenation of the tissue, pH of the tissue, and the way that it is conducting the electricity, and helps guide regenerative treatment, because it's using polarized microcurrent to treat. So it's a complete system for the office. And then you send the patient home with a finger device. And then you recommend specific breathing exercises. You recommend to them different types of interventions for the brain, right? And you can use, then the app that comes with the system to send to your patient diet and lifestyle tracking and guides, guided exercise programs, including heart intensity interval training routines that it sensed in your phone, respiratory biofeedback, brain function stimulation and digital health. Integration with everything that you have in your clinic. So you have it in your clinic and you say, Okay, this patient is doing the exercise. Is not doing the exercise. Here's the outcomes that they're having. So to me, I've never seen anything like that before.

Dr. Fab Mancini: Well, you know, over the years, you have introduced me to amazing technology that has actually helped me evaluate my patients better and be able to come up with a more effective plan of action. And we talked about all of this from a prevention perspective, but then I started saying to myself, look at many people. According to the United States, just in the United States, we have six out of 10 Americans that are struggling with chronic disease, and four out of 10 of those have two or more. So we know that at the time you start reaching and what's interesting about some of these chronic disease new statistics is that many years ago, about 20 years ago, 25 years ago, we were only seeing some of these chronic diseases in people over 50, 6070, years old. Now we're seeing them in 20 and 30 year olds. We're seeing chronicity such as diabetes and obesity in our children, right? It's one of our biggest concerns, because if we have an obesity young generation and a diabetic, pre diabetic young generation, you know that's going to lead them into many of the other conditions, such as. Heart disease, arthritis, potentially cancer, etc. So from a measurement perspective, is what I love, the fact that whether as a patient, I want to be preventative and I want to be proactive in my health, and there's many of us out there like that, but the majority of the people are not like that. The majority of the people are struggling today, and now we have an opportunity for them to evaluate and try to find out what those markers are saying, to get to the root causes, and not only get to them and identify the real problem, right? I love that, that technology, the technology also supports the treatment of what I'm looking for, more than anything, is the measurement that what I'm doing is actually working. This is where the biggest frustration that I find in people today. I have changed my diet, but I still feel as awful. I have done this, but I still

can't sleep at night. I have done that, but I'm still having some major digestive issues. How are we measuring today these behaviors that were changing? Right? Because they are, there is a movement of people changing behavior. The measurement of it is the reason that I wanted to as a scientist. Where do you see this technology really helping drive not only change, but also the reversal, hopefully, of some of these conditions even before they appear.

Dr. Francisco Cidral: So the interesting thing is that people became more most of you know, at least the people that we deal with became more cautious about the their health, right? Most of the people are interested in they want to see numbers, they want to see graphs, they want to learn about the science. So this is what we have. We have the science attached to the use of these devices. We have what's called the Open Academy of Medicine, and the doctors and the high level researchers that are using these technologies and their research are proving on a day and daily basis that these markers are genuine, and then they are validated. Like, for instance, the doctors that developed terms like low grade chronic information, for instance, in Germany. And Dr Schaub uses these clinically and in his studies at the University in Germany. So so these are, they give you a clear picture. And so you come to the office, and then you have a clear picture with all your numbers. And then you introduce what we do, like the very the very first thing that we introduce in breathing exercises, respiratory biofeedback. And as you know, that is a very good modulator of the autonomic nervous system. We send people home. They do the x we actually show them at the lab, at the university or at the office, in real time what's happening. So we say, do a breathing exercise, and I can show you real time. So they go, Oh, okay, the numbers change so fast, yes. Then they go home, and they do it. When they come back, we do it again, and then we show it. So we're showing that the numbers are changing. We have all the records that starts to drive because they get motivated, and it drives changes because they get motivated, because you're seeing the numbers that are changing. We're also tracking a lot of key domains in health and wellness through what we call the medically unexplained symptoms. So it's a list of different things in different I would say, different domains, including fatigue and

energy regulation, mood and physiological function, autonomic cardiovascular symptoms, gastrointestinal behavior and circadian indicators through these devices and through specific questionnaires that we use with every patient, and we actually have a database of wine called M, U, S dot global that is tracking more than 1.2 million people and showing their trends in all of these over the course of years now. And so we're showing the numbers, and this is what changes and drives behavior when people see the numbers changing, like we have cases of of elderly people that are gaining muscle mass, gaining bone mass, that were in a state of osteopenia, and then get get out of it, just because of indications, like in their food and their diet, in the breathing exercises, and then in the x and then changes in lifestyle, basically. But then, when we show the numbers and you compared it before and after, that drives people because they get motivated because they've seen the

Dr. Fab Mancini: Well, you know, it's interesting, because we know that people are struggling, trying to be consistent with their behaviors. So let's talk a little bit more about this. At home, simple device that people can actually track not only some of these markers, but also get feedback, where the provider can actually send them suggestions, or they may have access to things that can actually help change those numbers for the better. So how is that going to help people hopefully be able to sustain. Okay, right, sustain their behavior and be able to measure, because I know that if I'm measuring every day, I can actually identify which are the things that I did yesterday that it really set me off course again, but also which were the things that I did yesterday that really helped me tremendously, and those are the ones I need to do more of. But how do you envision how this is really going to bring the accountability, but also the support that individuals need in their daily life?

Dr. Francisco Cidral: See in the system that the practitioner, the doctor, the chiropractor, naturopathic, you know, medical doctor, functional medicine, whatever it is, has a complete system of for each one of the individuals that they are treating, their patient, their clients, whatever they want to call them. And I'll give you one that is very interesting. Like, for instance, one of the devices that does the body composition is also a surface surface myographic device that measures the way the diaphragm is moving. So I do a respiratory biofeedback with them, tracking changes in the ironic nerve or system. In real time, I'm seeing the response of the diaphragm, then I identify the different breathing exercises that are more in line with that person's physiology. So this is everything is custom, tater, because I'm looking at the way your body's responding. So your physiology is not just, you know, in the average, no, it's what is specific for you. I send those exercises to your app, and you register with your specific number as my patient, and you go home with the device, and then you do the exercise. And every time you complete one task, I receive that in my computer, and I say, oh, yeah, the patient. Did it? Look at the results, and then I can, I can track your progress. I can give you tasks to stimulate your brain and see how that affects your autonomic nervous system. Real time, I give you exercises, and you do a measurement of your autonomic nervous system before and after the exercise, and I see if the activation was enough for you or not. You can plug in all that you're eating on a regular basis, and then I can create after the course of a week, you come back and I give you a full assessment of everything that you ate, glycemic loads of everything that you ate, and the prowl, the acidity that this would develop in your system, and how to regulate that. So it's very custom tailored, and it leads to accountability, because the patient

doesn't want to skip the tasks, and also to for them to stick to the to the plan, because they're seeing the results every time they get the report, and they see if they're doing better or worse. And you can track all that, you know, on a regular basis. And I think that's a game changer in terms of the way that the practitioner can communicate with the patient and track what they're doing on a regular basis. Because if you see your patient only, like once a week, you know, the rest of the days, but now with this, you know. And then you give them, you know, brain tap exercises to do. You give them photobiodulation, give them different things to integrate with their routine. And you see the real benefits of the leading to anything. I can look at your numbers and tell me,

Dr. Fab Mancini: Well, what I love about it is that it will make us providers, definitely more effective with our patients. It would also keep that engagement where the patients don't feel disconnected just because I'm not in the office, which I love because that's where most of us make the poor choices, where we're in the office and we get reminded and we're like, yeah, Doc, I'm gonna do better. I'm gonna do this. And you walk out of there so excited, but then the next day comes and what happens? The subconscious mind sets in. You go back to your regular patterns, behaviors that got you there in the first place, but now being able to evaluate and see for yourselves these numbers, these measurements, that can actually be a great motivator, but also it helps the provider keep track to ensure that you're not going off. And also an arrow see you for three months and you develop a condition that could have maybe potentially been prevented. But one last question, because I get asked this question quite a bit by the consumers. You know, they're seeing that a lot of technology is coming into healthcare, and many times, you know, they don't know what to do, what to get for themselves. One of the things that I get excited about is that I have seen where some of these technology is very practical, like the home device that you mentioned, is very practical. You just put your finger in it and boom, you see all these incredible readings and markers. What would you say to the average consumer when it comes to embracing technology, when it comes to their health issues,

Dr. Francisco Cidral: You got to do a you got to search. You got to look at the companies. Look at what they have in terms of research and validation. Look at, you know, the people behind it, like, for instance, if if you are on the website, then I can trust because I know. That you did your your research, and you're not going to put your face to something that is doesn't work. So you did your research before you got involved. So the people that are behind this, and then the research that the company has right now, it's not just, you know, a marketing stunt anymore. It's a necessity from an ethical and from a regulatory standpoint. So the companies that are ethical, they are doing the research to show that the claims that they're making, I actually true, right? It like, if you just go about selling something and you say, Oh, this, this, this, and this that you didn't ever did a study to show they really does. I think that's unethical to start, just as a basic point. This not just to your company, but to the whole market of health and wellness as a whole, because people are going to use something, it's not going to work, and then they're going to say, Oh, these things don't work. These things, no, it's just that one product because they didn't do the proper research, and then they developed in a wrong way, you know, like you got a laser device, for instance, right? And, oh, it didn't do anything yet. The dose was wrong, the wavelet was wrong. You know, they these things had physiological effects in your body, and it has to be precise, otherwise they don't work. So from an ethical standpoint, it's very important, you know, that they do it. But also now, because of the FTC and the F need regulatory and everything else. As you know that a second thing that I do all the time is, is that part of meetings like regulatory and you have to, if you have your company, you need to have the studies to substantiate your claims in health and wellness. So I would, I do

the research and then, and then look at the publications and look at the people that are involved.

Dr. Fab Mancini: Well, you know, it's interesting. I love that advice, and I love the fact that you reminded me of so many of my friends and clients that you begin by doing an assessment of their website and anything they say in their website social media. You know, your team goes through a very in depth analysis and gives you red warnings. These are potentially claims that could get you in trouble. But here's also some suggestions, and I've always said to my clients, your suggestions are always better than the marketing people that are just trying to oversell and under deliver. Your Suggestions are always basic, but to the point, and I believe people want that. They want sincerity. They want honesty, because they're tired of being disappointed. You know, they see all these claims, and all of a sudden they try the product, they try this, and nothing changes. So the other thing that I really love, that your company does, is that besides evaluating their compliance through their website and social media, you also have an opportunity to allow people to do white papers and small studies based on the current customer base that they have. And I think that that's important for any company to do, because if I have, let's say, 100 customers, and I can show through a paper that my Honda customers this is what happened to them, their experience. Then at least that gives me as a consumer, a little bit more security that you know what they build, their due diligence. And then once we go through that, you also have a way to do the double blind studies that are a little bit more rigorous, the gold standard that can be extremely pricey under a different method, but because of your personality, your status in the research community, and your relationships with so many universities here in the United States and abroad, you have an incredible team that can do it sometimes for a fraction of the cost that it would have cost them otherwise. So now, you know, the reason

that I'm such a big fan is because you're helping companies be able to do the studies that 10 years ago, 15 years ago, they didn't have the resources to do it. They would. So they for, they for when they didn't do it. But now they can look at it and say, You know what, it's important to do it? No, for the sake of regulation, because that's that's one thing. It's for the sake of being proud that your product actually is working. That to me, as an owner, that I want to be proud that I got look at my paper. If that doesn't tell you the story, I don't know. What will you know

Dr. Francisco Cidral: That's very important. I'm glad to see that a lot of the community, you know, health and well, is integrated by lacking of the companies that we work with have that mentality. They want to do the research, they want to show the benefits, and we have to be creative, because these things can be so expensive, right? There's also different levels. We don't need to go through all the steps that you would to go through and she wanted to have like an SDA regulated claim. Maybe you do, but that's a different process. But in health and wellness is a little bit less than that. You also mentioned something very important. You have a lot of clients that are using the product. Why not? You know, collect that information in a in a nice way. So. That you can use that as additional and complementary evidence, you know, in towards the benefits of your product, validating this so you we have to be creative, have to be smart and but no need not to be ethical and not to doing the research. There are resources and ways to do it, and it's extremely important and important, not just, like I said, not just for your cup, the sake of your company, but for the whole market of complementary integrative medicine. Is really important.

Dr. Fab Mancini: Well, you know, I remember when I had you on my podcast a couple of months ago, so many people wanted us to do a webinar where you can actually go into detail on this technology. So we are going to be doing that. So we'll make sure that we let you know if you're watching, in case you want to join us and really see the science and the details, because it's so impressive. I saw it in a lecture in Orlando, and I've been in this space 38 years, and I said to Dr Francisco, I said, I think you have the most single, more efficient, effective tool to predict chronic disease, to stop it before it begins, but also to help manage it, or even reverse it if somebody already is being diagnosed with that condition. That is what I believe. I keep hearing the administration talk about evidence based evidence based science. This is an administration that is really pushing the evidence base, because they are a lot of entities out there that don't have any evidence, but they do have a great marketing budget, and that needs to stop, because you know what? We need to really support. There's so many companies that you and I know the founders that have invested mortgaged their house to their teeth just to be able to pay for the clinical studies, to have FDA clearance, et cetera, just to have a competitor that gets something from outside of the United States, Asia or something, and have no grounds, no research, but make it sound like they're better and more credible. And that, to me, is something that I believe the administration is just trying to correct so actually, the products that really have design space should be shining, they should be celebrated, they should be promoted, and then at the end of the day, I'm praying and hoping that they will be reimbursed through Our regular healthcare channels, because this type of technology needs to be more reimbursed at any blood work, urine work, and we reimburse those all day long. They are so limited in the

functional space, and all of a sudden you get all these markers where you can really predict whether somebody may develop or may already started to develop a potential chronic disease in the future, and stop it, reverse it, help that patient, empower them, teach them, educate them, and guide them as to the right behaviors that are effective for them. So so if you're listening, I thank you so much for joining us for this masterclass and and Francisco, thank you so much for taking time out of your busy schedule for always being patient with me. I've known you for many, many years, and I love you, man, you know that, so I'm here for Christmas with your time. You're always teaching me. You're always keeping me accountable. Anytime you hear me say something, you're always correcting me and guiding me to ensure that we're always giving the right information, the right science, to people, and more importantly, to empower people not to think that a chronic disease is a life sentence, to realize that they are help. And this functional space that we have developed over the years, that have expanded, it started, I remember, from wellness in the early days, and now this integrated, functional space that is really allowing healthcare to shine and to come up with great solutions when people have really struggled in the past. That's why I get excited, and at the end of the day, we all know that technology is driving a lot of that change. So thank you for the work you and your team does to keep those technologies at the highest level of efficiencies and effectiveness, so that way we can really have the impact that we want to have in the health of humanity. So God bless you. Thanks everybody for joining us, and I will see you next time.