In this episode of the Adult Child of Dysfunction podcast, Tammy Vincent sits down with Josie Gibson to explore the ideas behind Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health and how understanding the mind can help people navigate trauma, emotional triggers, and personal growth.

Josie shares how discovering Dianetics as a teenager helped her make sense of intrusive thoughts, emotional reactions, and the patterns that often develop from past experiences. Central to the conversation is the concept of the reactive mind—the part of the subconscious that stores painful memories and emotional responses that can influence our behavior without us even realizing it.

Throughout the conversation, Tammy and Josie discuss how unresolved experiences and past trauma can shape the way people respond to situations in the present, and why bringing awareness to these patterns can be a powerful step toward emotional healing and mental clarity.

Listeners will gain insight into how understanding the subconscious mind may help individuals recognize triggers, process past experiences, and develop healthier emotional responses.

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Well, hello, everybody.

Welcome back to another episode of Adult Child of Dysfunction.

Today we have with us Josie Gibson.

And boy, if her bio isn't short and to the point.

And I love it.

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She said, I love.

Oh, I don't know what that's doing.

Turning that off.

Okay, we.

What she does.

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I'm just gonna start that over.

Yeah, no worries.

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I'm gonna.

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No, I didn't.

Did it?

Oh, it was coming back to me.

I had it on the other one.

So, yes, I'm gonna go ahead and turn this one off and get that one going.

And yeah, we're probably on YouTube right now, but that's, you know what to eras human.

Yes.

Right.

So we're not going to turn that off.

We're just going to keep going, roll right over it,

make sure we're still recording.

Okay.

So welcome back to another episode of Adult Child of Dysfunction.

Today we have with us Josie Gibson.

She is an expert in dianetics and helping people live up to their fullest potential.

Welcome, Josie.

Thank you for having me, Tammy.

I'm so excited to talk with you today.

Yeah, rough start with my technology.

Logically brilliant person in the planet.

We all have something technologically that we're trying to still figure out.

Oh, my God.

I was.

I was just laughing.

I think we were talking right before this that we just.

I just had an interview with someone that was like one of the first people on Facebook, like a bigger, you know, corporate person in Facebook working right along Mark Zuckerberg.

And he said when he got the call, he literally didn't even answer them back because he was like, I don't know what Facebook is.

I mean, it was brand new, you know, and it like, he's more my generation than the 19 and 20 year olds that were all on Facebook back in the 90s.

But it was so funny.

He didn't even answer Mark back.

He was like, man, I don't know what that is.

I don't think I need it.

And somebody was like, that's Facebook.

You better take that.

Yeah, I would.

That's a call I might possibly take.

So anyway, we're just going to jump right in.

I just want to thank you for coming.

Being the name is of the podcast.

You said you heard a couple episodes as adult child of dysfunction.

Our stories are all of hope and healing and learning different ways to look at life.

And we all struggle.

I mean, we've all had struggles and you don't need to have this as a child, you didn't need to have this tremendously awful life to experience some kind of childhood trauma.

And because.

Right.

Because of that, we look at the world a little differently sometimes.

So let's jump right in.

Let's talk about what Dianetics is.

Yeah, well, Dianetics itself.

It's Dianetics the Modern Science of Mental Health.

And this is a book and also a study and science of the mind.

And it was discovered by the author L. Ron Hubbard that there was a previously unknown and hidden, hidden portion of our mind which we typically know as the subconscious mind.

But did you know that there is actually a name for this?

And it is called the reactive mind.

And this is the part of the mind that actually causes us to have irrational behaviors and irrational thoughts and have, you know, insecurities and self doubts and those things about ourselves that we really don't like or that we're trying to improve about ourselves, or those are all stored and root from this reactive mind.

And the reason for that is that as you were saying, we have past traumas in our life.

Right.

Like childhood and beyond.

We have past traumas and these can be anything from a physical trauma to an emotional trauma.

But regardless, it is something that has really impacted our life.

Right.

And so back, let's say, you know, we have these engrams, which are recordings of moments of pain and unconsciousness.

And these recordings and engrams or, are stored in the reactive mind.

And what happens is that later in life they can get triggered and cause us to lash out in moments when we don't really want to or we don't know why it's happening.

And it also can cause us to have those moments of insecurity or self doubt or you know, even moments of like irrational thoughts that we're having.

Those all stem from that reactive mind and those moments getting triggered in our life.

Well, it's funny because on this podcast we do a lot of talking about managing triggers and stuff like that, but I mean, that's the Dianetics sounds like just the basis of what we talk about, of that subconscious mind.

And totally.

And you do?

I sometimes.

I mean, I'm 58 years old.

I've been doing this healing thing for many decades and still sometimes, sometimes I'll snap at something and I'll be like, whoa, that was the five year old me.

Like, where did that come from?

Like, that is not who I am exactly.

But it's, it's something that happens.

And you know, triggers are not, they're not meant to be ignored.

I mean they're.

But you, like you said, they kick in and they run the show sometimes.

Totally.

You're absolutely correct.

I mean, the reactive mind is the subconscious part of our mind.

And because it's subconscious, it's acts without us even knowing.

And that's the scary thing about it is that you don't actually have control over when you snap or when you have that moment happen.

And like you were saying, like sometimes you're like, that was five year old me, that's happening right now and I'm like 50 years old.

Like, what am I doing in this moment?

But that's the, that's the unique thing about Dianetics is that even just simply from reading the book, you actually discover why that happens and how to actually get rid of it.

Because Dianetics is not only a science of the mind, but it's actually a technique that you can do to actually alleviate these traumas, get rid of them and get rid of the reactive mind so you no longer store these irrational moments and pains and traumas that are really affecting us later in our life.

Because let's face it, when we don't have control over those moments, we feel a bit crazy and we feel a bit insane in that moment.

And we're wondering, why did that happen?

Why did I act like that?

I wish I didn't do that.

And that's really not us.

Really.

We are logical, we're sane, we think clearly the majority of the time, that's how we act.

Right?

But then majority of the time, majority

of the time we hope, but you know, the majority of the time we are very rational and we think clearly.

But then we have those moments where we snap or we break and, and that's the reactive mind that is causing us to act irrationally in that moment.

But Dianetics actually addresses those moments and gets rid of them.

So you're no longer holding on to them and no longer affected by it.

So talk about the, the, I guess the modality of, you know, you said it's a theory, it's a book.

I mean, it's all this stuff.

So is it hypnosis or how are we getting rid of these reactive mind thoughts?

Yeah, well, it's not hypnosis.

It's actually a very specific science and technique that you do.

It's very precise.

And literally anybody can do this technique.

You could do it, you know, just you do with a partner.

And so you could partner up with one of your friends in your house just as long as there's a quiet space.

And you could do this technique, it's obviously all described in the book Dianetics, so it will be very simple for anybody to read it and to apply it.

But just to give you a little bit of an idea of how this works, you basically, we have this.

These moments of pain and unconsciousness, right?

And what you're doing is that with this partner, you're locating these moments because sometimes they're hidden and we don't know exactly like what is really truly affecting us, right?

So we're locating these moments of the root of our problems, the moment of pain and unconsciousness, and we're actually addressing and getting rid of the negative mental energy or charge that's connected to that moment, because that's what we really are.

Are acting on is that negative mental energy, right?

And that's what causes us to snap later in life.

And so when you address that and you get rid of it, you are just simply left with that memory that doesn't actually have hold of you and take charge of you any longer.

And as you use the Dianetics technique, you're actually able to completely, one by one, get rid of all the negative mental energy so that you are just simply you.

And you get to control all of your thoughts, all of your behaviors, and not act out in a way that you didn't actually mean to or you didn't want to.

You're simply just left as you.

And that's the beautiful thing about it, you know?

Yes.

And it sounds.

I mean, it.

Is it a long process, Is it a short process, or.

Yeah, I mean, it takes as long as it.

As it takes.

Because, look, we all have different experiences in our life.

I mean, for one.

For one person to the other, we all have different memories, different experiences in our life.

But it doesn't have to take long at all.

And really, the end of doing the Dynamics technique, as you continue to use it, you actually achieve a state called clear.

And that is simply just someone who no longer has a reactive mind.

Because that's the goal of Dianetics, is to actually get rid of this reactive mind so that you are not controlled by it.

And to further elaborate on that, you actually have two parts of the mind.

And it.

And it was discovered in Dianetics, like, you have two parts and you have the irrational part.

Like I was saying, you have the, you know, that reactive mind that reacts in moments when you were just, like, so upset or maybe you're really sad or just those moments when you're under pain and duress or stress or.

Or anxiety.

And that mind will get triggered what the other part of the mind is, is the good part, and that's the analytical mind.

And that's the part where you think very clearly and you calculate, you solve problems.

You're creative, you're joyful and happy.

And that's really the goal, is that you are.

You are just you.

Because that's what the analytical mind is.

It's just simply you, without all of those traumatizing moments built up on top of you.

Because we have so many memories and moments in our life when, whether they're positive or negative, they build up, right?

And then they build up to a point where we're stuck down here, we're stuck down in the bottom, and we're like, where am I?

I'm like this shiny, bright light.

And as we go throughout life, our light gets dimmed.

But Dianetics actually helps you to really get rid of all these traumatizing moments so that you are that bright shining light that you know that you are.

That's amazing.

And I'm.

I'm just going to tell everybody now.

Just reach out and get the book.

Listen to it on audio.

I mean, whatever.

Because, I mean, that's what we work with.

That's what I work with my clients with.

And it is so funny how, like you said, many of these memories there are, and then it could just be one.

So it's like I had a client that just had this unbelievable sense of being unlovable by her mother.

And I was like, you know, And I'm like, oh, I get it.

My mom told me she hated me every day of my life.

And she's like, but my mom didn't.

And so we had to go back, and we really spent some time and, you know, and then finally one day, it was maybe three.

Three times.

We had talked two or three times, and she kept dropping it and go back to other stuff.

But then one day I said, let's go back to.

Let's talk about your best friend, right?

Yes.

I said, how was that?

Did you have a best friend?

And she said, yeah.

And I said, oh, did you have sleepovers?

And it was like the light went off.

And she said, oh, my God, Tammy, one time I had a sleepover at my house with a bunch of girls.

And she said, and my mother had gotten a new job.

And so she was late to pick me up three times that week.

I was in first grade.

She said, and my friend, she goes, I remember it like it was yesterday, but I hadn't thought about it in 40 years.

She said, my friend said, to me, your mother must not love you.

She didn't pick you up on time.

Wow.

So it gives me goosebumps to this day because I'm thinking, oh, my God.

That had the same effect on her as my mother literally telling me every day she hated me.

Right.

So that wasn't a big T trauma, like what you consider a big T trauma.

It was one comment by one little girl that dug into her brain, and she now felt that her mother didn't love her.

Yeah.

And those are the kind of memories, I'm assuming you're talking about going back to that and figuring out that.

That trigger point, because, you know, it changed her whole life.

She was now 47 years old, and she was still.

Still holding on to.

Still holding on to this.

Yeah, Yeah.

I mean, go ahead.

Do you want to finish?

I just cut you off.

Sorry.

You're good.

You're good.

But, like, to your point, there are a couple different types of what we call in dianetics, engrams, Right.

And these moments of pain and unconsciousness.

That's what an engram is.

And so there's a couple different types where you can have these really emotional moments and heavy emotions, such as, like, grief, for example, like the fear of losing a loved one or having lost a loved one.

That's a super heavy emotion for anybody to deal with.

And so you can have really emotional moments, even anger, for example, if you ever had, like, a major, major argument with a loved one, that is also, there's a moment when you kind of blank out, right.

And you're like, I don't know what I'm saying anymore.

I don't remember my arguments.

I'd like, you know, whatever.

Right.

And so that was a really heavily charged moments of emotion.

And then we also have our physical pain and unconsciousness.

So, like, really good example.

A surgery.

You know, like, if you ever have gone in and gotten a surgery, maybe at that moment, the doctor is saying something like, oh, well, we can't save the leg, or something like that.

And then later down the road, something's wrong with your leg because your mind is thinking and recording in that very moment, but now it's acting subconsciously against you.

And now your leg is, like, messed up, you know, or even just simply, like, I knew somebody who said that they had a surgery, and then they.

The doctor was saying, like, it's really hot in here.

And then later down the road, anytime she went to the hospital or somebody, there was some like.

Like, basically environment that was similar to that moment in the past.

She would get really hot.

And it wasn't until she addressed the actual root and the.

And like the source of it, which was in the reactive mind, that she actually was able to be like, wow, I can look at this situation and be in this environment and not feel really hot irrationally.

Right.

And to your point, I have a friend who's very similar to this person you were just talking to.

And she had watched her best friend actually die in a fire, in a house fire.

And it was so traumatizing.

I mean, that like, I could never imagine that happening.

Right?

And it was her best friend and she lived right across the.

Right across the street from her.

So every time that she walked out of her house, she was seeing that house and constantly being reminded of that.

And then it gets triggered, or what we call in Dianetics, re stimulated into the present.

And so from there she's like, well, I'm not going to trust anybody and I'm not going to let anybody love me from here on out, because I love that person and that person was taken away from me.

And she carried that out throughout her entire life, even to the degree of not being able to differentiate that with relationships.

I mean, she was just like, toxic relationship as the next toxic relationship.

And I have to be the first one to break it off because I cannot let anybody actually truly love me because they'll be taken away from me.

And that's how the reactive mind works, is that it actually doesn't.

It doesn't think clearly and it thinks like on a.

Everything is the same as everything else.

Like one thing was bad.

And so everything else that's similar in any regard is going to be exactly like that first incident.

And so then my friend, actually, she addressed this.

This actual like, moment of pain and unconsciousness.

And she was with Dianetics and she was actually able to spot the exact reason that that happened.

Get rid of it.

And she was able to now have a wonderful relationship.

She's married of like 20 something years and has beautiful children and so on.

You know, you really have to get to the roots and find what the source is of all of your traumas.

Right?

And it's funny that you talked about like the sensories too, because it couldn't be a physical trauma and sensory things literally.

And it's like when that trauma happens, kind of like you said, you're frozen in that moment of time.

It's like a snapshot into this reactive mind of that moment that day that anything.

I remember one time I had a bad experience on a leather couch.

Let's Just put it that way.

And it wasn't one of my best moments in my life.

And I remember then, like years later, a couple of years later, I was driving with my dad and this back in the God, 80s, and he had bought this new leather recliner.

And I don't know what possessed me, but I freaking leaned over and took a bite out of the arm of it.

I got beat, let me tell you.

But I don't know what possessed me to do it until later.

I figured it out because then I was like, oh my God, it was that smell of that leather.

I couldn't.

Because I could never sit on that chair.

It was like I couldn't do it.

And of course then through therapy and stuff, they were talking one day about senses.

And I was like, oh my gosh, you're so right.

Like, that's why I bit that leather chair.

It's kind of funny now.

So funny.

Oh my gosh.

But it's.

It was.

It's so real.

That smell of that leather was frozen into my mind.

And then when I would smell leather, I would get angry and I didn't really think about it.

Like, there were times walking through the mall where I would just have like this rage.

It was probably because I was in Wilson Wilson's leather store.

I don't know if that exists anymore, but it was, you know, and until I went to therapy, I mean, you don't know what you don't know.

So that's great for people listening to, you know, like we said, start being aware of the trigger so that you can.

When you have the time, you have the space, you have the safety, and you have somebody with you that you can trust, you can figure it out.

Exactly.

And you know, to that point, like there are many different perceptions that we can.

That we pick up on when we're unconscious.

Like the reactive mind records on an.

A subconscious level.

So even when you are unconscious, you're recording everything that's happening around you.

Everything from the.

The sounds around you and people talking to the dog barking to the sprinklers going off in the lawn, to even the fly that's like roaming around the room, you know, to the touch your body on if you're on the floor.

Like the.

The touch of the floor, the tactile on that to even just sight or, you know, everything that's happening around us is being recorded in the reactive mind.

And when we don't know what those things are, literally anything at any given moment could be similar to that moment.

And that's when it gets brought up, you know, I knew somebody who also had gone to the doctor and had had a fainting moment and was unconscious in that moment.

And ever since then could not go to the doctor without fainting, couldn't do it because the mind was totally being like, this is the similar situation of when that first incident happened.

And even like talking about doctors, talking about the body, like that was like these were all restimulators of that previous moment in that Ingram.

So every time I got brought up, you know, she was like, I, I'm, I'm out of here.

And that's, and that's the mind trying to protect you.

But, and then at the same time, even when she's having a very sane and rational conversation, conversation about her health, she's gonna, she's gonna try to faint.

But that's not like the rational thing to do in that moment because you do actually need help in that moment.

You know what I'm saying?

So.

Right.

It wasn't until she actually went and found the exact source and the, and that alleviated the trauma from that engram with the dianetics technique.

It wasn't until she actually did that that she was able to then just have a conversation about doctors or about herself and her health.

You know, very, it's, it's definitely a very real thing and we need to actually address it.

Yeah, absolutely.

And the first step is awareness, to start being aware, start writing these things down.

So when you start doing that, because I, like I said, I'll say to myself, well, that wasn't me, that was definitely the five year old me.

And then when I go home, I'll go through, I mean, I have my own process of kind of going back through time and okay, when did I, why would that.

How, where you know, using your senses.

But the important thing to know too, and I think you've kind of said it several times in many different ways, but for the listeners, when you are in that irrational side of the brain, they can't both work at the same time.

Right.

So that is why when you are triggered and you're getting ready to lash out at someone, or you're getting ready to hit your kids, or you're getting ready to just have the brawl of your life.

You, when you're in that state, don't like, that's where you need, you can't, you are not logically thinking you're going to say the wrong things.

You're gonna say stuff you regret.

You're just not thinking logically.

You can't Be thinking with both sides of the brain at that moment.

Yeah.

So that's why I tell people, you know, and I've always kind of used it for a rule for myself.

When I get angry or something, it doesn't matter where I am.

I take a deep breath or I wiggle my toes 10 times or whatever it is, but I count to 10.

I look both ways, you know, kind of get yourself bouncing and back and forth between one side of the brain and the other and get yourself down before you react, because that is where you make the bad choices.

And even though now you've seen this podcast and now you're going to be like, oh, I'm aware.

I do that.

Well, now that you're aware, it's your responsibility not to do it.

Totally.

That's true.

And when you have the knowledge of how to actually address that, you.

You do have that responsibility.

Totally.

But one thing that I think is really unique about Dianetics specifically is that you.

We have recurring cycles that might happen like that.

Like, for example, let's say that somebody, a parent is.

They have like a mom has two children, and one of her children, she's super sweet too, and always has, like, everything is super easy and simple.

Right.

And then she has another child, and somehow nothing ever goes right with that child.

Like, just everything is always wrong and the child is always wrong and, you know, whatever.

But now let's take it back.

Five years prior, the child was younger, and the mom was ill at this moment.

Right.

So there's unconsciousness from the degree that she is not operating her full awareness at that moment.

And so let's say in this incident that the child is saying, mommy, mommy, mommy.

And the mom is recording that in the reactive mind, and she might get really upset and be like, go away.

Like, I don't need you here right now.

Right.

Well, the mom in that moment is recording in her reactive mind.

And later, five years down the road, the child says maybe something like, mommy, mommy, mommy.

And it's the same thing.

Well, the reactive mind is gonna instantly think, well, that's the same moment.

So the mom lashes out on the child, and she's like, go away.

I don't need you here.

Even though maybe the kid just needs some help, like pulling down a bag of chips from the.

From the shelf or something, you know, so it's not a rational moment, but that might recur over and over.

Like, we have recurring cycles or habits that happen all the time.

And so maybe nothing ever goes right with this child.

But if you actually address and get rid of the.

Not only the mental energy and the charge, but actually get rid of the reactive mind, then you no longer have anything like any of those Ingrams in the reactive mind to actually be triggered later down the road.

And that's the unique thing about Dianetics is that you're actually getting rid of the, like the storage bank, if you will, that is storing all these traumatic incidences.

And when you get rid of it, you don't have anything else to put in there, so you can't be triggered later down the road.

You simply just think clearly.

Like when you are thinking rationally all the time with your analytical mind and you are, you've achieved that state of clear.

You are simply just you and you have complete control.

And not to mention you're motivated, you're more productive, self confident, you're even creative because you just flow.

There's nothing that's blocking you from being able to just be you.

And that's the beautiful thing of that.

That's.

I mean, it's.

Yes, it's everybody's perfect scenario.

Right?

I mean.

Right.

Yeah.

I mean it seems too good to be true.

Right.

But then, but then it's totally.

I mean people are achieving this state of clear like every single day.

And that's the amazing thing.

And you can even just do it with a friend, like in your home.

Yeah, no, that's.

I mean it is amazing.

And it's funny because like you said, it doesn't have that reactive charge.

And you know, your mind is, you know, if you go back into like the quantum world, there is no time, space, like none of that matters.

So your mind doesn't.

You're right there.

Whether it happened 25 years ago or you're.

It's your mind, it's right there, right now, right here.

So that's why I tell people, you know when you're trying to do something and you know when you're thinking through something or visualizing something, see it and feel it, because your mind doesn't know.

So if you want to be a world renowned speaker and you're visualizing yourself constantly, just visualize yourself up on a stage.

Yeah.

And then the energy in the universe, or whatever you call it is going to push you to get that vision because you've already.

It's already happened.

You're there.

Yeah, exactly.

That's Joe Dispenza.

Same thing.

You know, it's like when you, you know, that's.

But it's true.

And it's so true.

So.

Yeah.

And.

And your mind Is there to protect you.

It is 100% there to protect you.

And I always say, you know, that's where we go into.

I do a lot of the somatic healing and stuff like that, because, like, we talked about that visceral response.

You know, you can.

Sometimes you can trick your mind a little bit.

You can trick your mind a lot easier than you trick your body, you know?

Right.

Have you ever.

Yeah.

Because sometimes you'll be like, oh, yeah.

Or like affirmations.

Oh, I got this.

I'm.

Yes, yes, yes.

And then you say to yourself, you know, I'm gonna do all good things.

And then your stomach, like, turns into this, like.

Right.

Ball of goo, and you're like, okay, not quite convinced there.

Yeah, exactly.

Right.

So, I mean, it's.

It's fascinating work that you do.

It's.

It's.

The mind is just so absolutely amazing.

And, you know, my.

My big message to people always is like, none of that was your fault.

None of that.

But, yeah, you have to choose to want to do the work, because even though you said it's easy, you listen to a book and you do this, you still still have to do the work.

Totally.

I mean, it is not easy to actually confront these moments because, like, you.

We blank them out in our mind for a reason.

They're traumatic, and they're.

They're not something that we want to look at.

Like, who wants to go back and actually look at the moment when we were unconscious or we were having a moment of actual real trauma?

Like, we don't want to look at it, but that's why we have to look back at it and actually be able to confront it and do the work to get rid of that, because otherwise it just continues to happen over and over and over again.

And to your point, you said something really excellent, is that it's not about what you did.

It's about what's been done to you.

And that's.

And Dianetics actually very.

It actually says that directly from the book is.

It's about what's been done to you.

And I think that's a really important message out there for people, is that they know that there's something new to do about their mental health and that there is actually a solution for people that is not going to just be like a band aid over the wound.

It's a permanent solution that helps you to completely change your life and be able to exponentially improve yourself and your abilities.

I mean, even as simple as, like, you reminded me when I had a friend that he's a renowned musician, like performed on some of the biggest stages out there.

And we were talking recently and he's like, oh, yeah, before I did Dianetics, I was like totally ridden with like self doubt and insecurities and stage fright.

And every time that I went up on that stage, I had butterflies, like razor blade butterflies in my stomach.

And no matter what I did, right,

and no matter what I did, I still had them.

And he said that no matter what, like Dianetics is the thing that actually helped him address that and get rid of it so he can just go on the stage and just flow and allow himself to just create and perform not only for himself, but for the audience as well.

And he is just like, I mean, he's created some of the most beautiful music that's just simply from him.

And you can tell it's.

It's amazing.

Absolutely.

I love that.

I love that and I, I love that.

Like you said, it's.

It is for everybody.

It is something that everybody can do.

You have to want it.

You have to be able to, you know, willing to do the work.

But it's, it's possible.

And you know, I try to get, you know, my big thing is, is.

But you have to be in your open mind.

You have to be.

I mean, in my opinion, and this probably isn't, I don't know if it's right or not, but it's my opinion is you have to be drug free.

Your mind has to be willing to open up every pathway.

And I totally agree.

You know, that's why I, it breaks my heart to see people that are like, oh, I've been on antidepressants for 30 years.

Yeah, your mind doesn't even know.

It's so rattled its own systems.

I mean, our bodies are so beautiful and so able to heal and do the things until we intervene.

It's so true.

You know, on the same page with you, I totally agree.

So it's like, you know, my parents were both drug addicts and when I was suicidal and they did want to put me.

This is before the guy told me, this is when I actually was.

But when they.

All they wanted to do was take this medicine, take that medicine, take this medicine.

I was like, I have enough trouble figuring out who I am and what I want and how I'm going to survive this world in my own mind.

Like, give me something that's going to change the way I think.

Now you're really throwing it.

And I refused.

And it was hard because, you know, I was fighting those bad Thoughts and, and for a long time.

But I did it 100%.

I've never taken an antidepressant.

I've been through some dark times.

So you can do it.

Totally.

You can do it.

And there's tools out there that can help you do it.

And there's coaches and there's people like you, and there's people writing books.

I mean, there's podcasters.

It's doable, it's out there for the taking.

You just have to really want to take it.

I love that you're saying that so much because I am totally on the same page with you, that you honestly, you have to be wanting help.

Like, you have to be willing to have help and to put yourself in a position where you're like, okay, I know that I need change and I know that I need to do something.

And even if you, you know, even if it's hard for you, it, it is, it is a step in the right direction for you to do.

And I wanted to also bring up, like, if anybody is interested in actually learning more or like getting one on one instruction, because it is very simple.

But sometimes we need that like extra push or support.

You know, there is a two day weekend seminar that you can do at any of our Dianetics foundations.

And it's absolutely wonderful because you not only get to learn about Dianetics more and you get to watch a great film on it, but you actually get to deliver Dianetics technique to somebody else and help them with their traumas and with their problems from their past.

And you also get to get it delivered to you.

So you get to see both sides of it where you actually get to experience the full like, miracle of Dianetics, which is just.

I mean, it is amazing.

And I had a friend who actually recently did it and he realized that he had lost.

Well, he had lost his, his mom about a year ago and was holding on to all of the grief.

And he doesn't really seem like it.

Like, he doesn't seem like the person who would be holding on to a bunch of grief.

And we all walk around like, totally normal, if you will.

Right, exactly.

With like a veil over.

Right.

But we don't realize what other have gone through.

And so my friend, actually he was.

He had lost his mom a year ago and then was holding onto that grief and it was really holding him down.

And so he's like, I really want to address that and where is the grief and let's get rid of some of it.

And he, as he was doing the dynamics technique and Going back throughout these memories that he had, he realized that what was actually causing him to continue to hold on to the grief was that he lost his dad when he was about 1.

But he wasn't associating that because he's like, I didn't know my dad.

Like, I didn't know him, and so why would that cause me to have, you know, like, an upset later in my life?

But he was associating even his mom's, like, like, mental problems and her emotions, all of her grief that she was feeling at that moment.

He was holding onto her mom's grief, which later, when she died, he was then holding onto her grief.

And then that's what was happening, is he was reliving that.

And when he actually spotted that and addressed it and got rid of all the mental, negative mental energy, he was able to finally just feel relief.

And it was the most beautiful thing because he finally was able to talk about his parents and the loss of his mom without, like, even crying.

Just had this beautiful, you know, memory and that.

It was.

It was great.

Yeah, no, I.

It's so liberating when you can let go of that emotional charge like you said, or that electrical charge or energy charge or whatever it is to those situations, because I know a story.

That's why I didn't coach for so, so, so long.

Because me being in a room and.

And sharing would trigger me.

I mean, that, you know, and I couldn't do it.

I was like, no.

But now it's like, I tell these stories so casually, and people are like, their mouths drop open, and I'm like, it was just a thing, like, right?

No.

No charge to it.

And, you know, and it's.

It's so liberating just because.

I mean, it's just liberating.

It just.

It makes back to that original, like, you said, that joyous, beautiful creature that before your light was blown out with a bunch of.

Can I say that?

Oh, this my podcast.

I can say anything I want.

Wait, I don't know which side am I on here?

But, no, that's awesome.

So do you work directly with these retreats or weekends seminars?

Yeah, well, I actually work at the publisher of the book Dianetics, and so I get to actually help people all the time with the book Dianetics and the technique and help people learn about it.

Because let's, like, honestly, there is no education out there that gives us, like, the manual for the mind.

Like, truly.

Wouldn't that be cool if there was?

Yeah, but that's what.

That's what Dianetics is.

It's actually a manual for the mind.

And I like to explain it in this way where imagine you were given a brand new machine that you had no idea how to operate and then somebody told you, okay, I need you to work this machine and to work it and make a product out of it.

And you stand there totally clueless and don't know how to do it.

And you weren't given a manual, you wouldn't know what to do.

Right.

But if you were given a manual, you would know exactly what to do, how to operate and feel very confident also operating it.

And that's exactly how Dianetics works, is that it is actually a manual for the mind.

It explains these two parts of the mind, also, the reactive mind, how that works, how it works against us, why it's a dangerous thing.

And not only that, but how to get rid of it so that you are not affected by it.

And that gives you the confidence and the ability to fully operate at your full ability.

And you are just you.

Because your mind, as you've been saying, is the most powerful thing that we have and that you have control over because nobody else is going to be able to control you except for you.

And there's nobody that knows us better than ourselves.

And so when we actually put in the work and we learn about the mind and get that education, we actually are able to take control of it and take responsibility for it and, you know, improve our lives and be able to live up to our full potential that we want to.

Awesome.

Yes, very well said, very well said.

So, okay, so you work in.

Do you work with people one on one or can people reach out to you is what I'm saying.

Absolutely.

If people want to reach out to me, they absolutely can.

And like I was saying, also like you, we have Dianetics foundations all over the world.

So if you are, I mean, if you are anywhere in the world, you can go up to dianetics.org and you can find the nearest one near you.

Okay.

And then if you want more information, you can obviously go to dianetics.org you could also, you could get the book on Amazon or Barnes Noble or anywhere that books are sold.

And then of course, you can always find us on our social media accounts, Dianetics.

And you're more than welcome to connect with us at any, like, any way that you possibly can on.

We have connections all over the place, so.

Love it.

Thank you so much.

This has been very enlightening.

I love it.

Thank you.

I enjoyed our conversation.

Yes, absolutely.

And for everybody else, oh, wait, you're not off the hook.

Give them your biggest, boldest statement.

Words of wisdom from Josie.

Josie Gibson.

My biggest, boldest statement is in this 20, 26 year or even in the future.

If you're listening to this, I encourage you to do something new about your mental health and to take that next step to actually improve yourself and be willing to improve yourself to the point where you're able to live up to your fullest potential.

Amen.

I love it.

Thank you so, so much for coming on and for everybody else out there listening, another technique, another modality, another bit of resources.

This is what we're here for here at Adult Childhood Dysfunction.

So that you know that you are not alone, that your struggles are not unique, and not that they're not unique, but that we all have them.

We all have those struggles.

We all have those inner critics.

We all have those reactive minds.

Until we don't.

And it is worth every step and every second that you spend learning how to undo some of the stuff that was done to you.

And like you said, it's not your fault.

None of this is your fault.

But if you're looking for a more happy and joyous life, you, oh, so deserve it, my friends.

So we will see you back next week.

Thank you.

You.