00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:03 Vacation Bible School Recap: Shout Out to Marc and the KM Team!

00:20 Community Impact and Church Pride

02:30 Fun Moments and Ice Cream Stories

03:44 Tragic News and Reflections

05:06 Daily Bible Reading: Hosea

05:43 God's Judgment on Israel

09:04 The Significance of Infertility and Idolatry

11:37 Exile and the Undoing of the Covenant

12:36 The Comfort of Christianity in Modern Times

13:01 Israel's Prosperity and Idolatry

13:41 Judgment and Mourning in Israel

14:14 Agricultural Metaphors and New Testament Applications

15:31 Future Redemption and the Millennial Kingdom

16:09 Summary of Israel's Rejection and Idolatry

16:40 The Unilateral Nature of the Abrahamic Covenant

18:00 Paul's Use of Old Testament Texts

23:38 Future Restoration of Israel

27:19 Conclusion and Prayer

https://a.co/d/4KfwkyF - Has the Church Replaced Israel?

Hey, everybody.

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Welcome to Sunday's edition

of the daily Bible podcast.

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Hey, we are done with vacation

Bible school for now, for now,

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until next year, until next year.

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Good job church.

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Yeah.

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If you were there.

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You volunteered, which so

many of our people did.

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Um, well done.

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It was an awesome week.

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It was so good to be a part of,

even just from the, uh, the back and

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kind of watch and see what happened.

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But.

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Uh, it was a proud moment for

us as pastors to see our church

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really step up and serve well, it

made an impact on the community.

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Um, those that showed up that aren't

a part of our church normally,

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and don't attend our church.

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They have, we heard multiple comments

from people that sent their kids to

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churches with far more resources than we

have in buildings and everything else.

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And they were saying, man, this is the

best VBS that we've been to all year.

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Most well-run.

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You know, our kids are coming home.

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They're learning things.

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They're telling us things that

they're learning at the VBS.

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We're impressed with that.

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So a good job search.

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We made a good impression on this and

good job, Mark Hogan and your team.

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You guys did an awesome job on this VBS.

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Tremendous.

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In fact, I, I mean, is there

a stronger word than proud?

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Whatever it is.

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That's what I felt this week.

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As I was watching all

this stuff happen and.

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Everyone jumping in and

doing different things.

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People taking on.

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Uh, roles and parts during the skits and.

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I mean just doing everything.

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Yeah.

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He was such a cool,

surreal, almost moment.

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Of, I don't know, pride is the

strongest word I can think of.

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But it feels like more than that.

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It feels like a, I don't

know, it, it feels too soft.

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Like it was like enormously.

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This is so cool.

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I'm so proud.

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So excited.

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This is good.

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This is right.

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This is, this is what we envisioned,

I think in planting the church.

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And it's really awesome to see

some of it play out in real time.

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Well, and just the

familial element of it too.

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We talked on.

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Uh, last Sunday about church's family and

kind of committing to this place and just

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seeing people serve together for a week

and seeing how that bonds people together

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and the relationships that are formed and.

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Uh, just you walk away from this.

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Feeling that much closer to your church

family than you are at the front end.

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And so that was super cool too, for

me to see and see these connections

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being made and friendships,

forming, and memories being created.

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Um, intergenerationally too.

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I mean, yeah.

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I was thinking about our kids that

we're serving on the worship team and

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they got to interact with Julia and

they got to interact with Priscilla or.

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You know, the, the skit team

got to interact with George and,

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and some of the others there.

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And yeah.

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Uh, Corinthia and just a

really cool experience overall.

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Yeah, serving brings people together.

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It really does.

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That's part of what the

church is supposed to do.

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That's that's by design.

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He just knows what he's doing.

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Yep.

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So all the more gas.

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Yeah.

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We see the good that you're

doing and do some more and more.

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Yup.

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And we had fun scooping ice cream.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that was fun.

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Oh, yeah, it was fun.

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We took.

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People took our pictures.

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Lots of, lots of times.

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Yes.

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Multiple times in.

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It was humorous, I guess.

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And the cute apron and hat, the

cute apron and the cute hat.

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Yes.

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So thanks mark.

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Wasn't super cute.

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I don't know if it was his idea.

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Um, sir, he budgeted for that,

but I don't know if he's behind.

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Ultimately, I think Allie.

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Was the mega mastermind behind it also.

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So mark was like, Hey, go and do a thing.

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And she's like, got it.

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And she was like doing this

what's that guy from the Simpsons?

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Yes.

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Excellent.

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The power.

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She said the power went to her head.

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It did a little bit, a little bit.

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I did at one point, Joe, you were

skipping like half a carton of ice

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cream into some of those cups suit.

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I was like, no, one's coming

to the chocolate line.

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I'm going to give these

guys something to remember.

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Yeah.

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Because when we had so many chocolate

containers leftover, I'm like, yeah,

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no, we're just going to go for it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, and some people came up.

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They're like, I want strawberry.

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We had Neapolitan vanilla and chocolate.

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And then, so we don't

have precision scoopers.

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Yeah, I know.

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This is not your Coldstone.

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Yeah, sharper it's swirled together.

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I'm supposed to.

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Yeah, it did my best, but

it wasn't always the best.

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No.

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Well, I'm sure they were

happy with the scoops.

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Yeah.

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But good job church.

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And.

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Dad was kind to us that

the school survived.

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We were talking about that a minute ago.

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There wasn't really damaged down

to the school, which is down.

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Unlike that church in downtown Dallas that

burned down then what a sad, sad thing.

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That's crazy.

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Yeah, I've been to that place because a

friend of mine got married in that chapel.

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18 68, 18 68.

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So, I mean, just we're

talking civil war timeframe.

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Crazy.

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Yeah.

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That's your cruise?

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Well, uh, CW Criswell was

a pastor at that church.

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Who's a famous exposer, a famous

preacher, and most recently,

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and still is Robert Jeffress.

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Was in the news and Trump's

first electoral cycle.

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Cause he was Trump's one of

Trump's religious advisors.

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Not that, that makes him in great

company because so was Paula white.

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Yeah.

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For whatever that's worth, he

was there towards something.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah, that was tragic.

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It.

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I said I had mine this morning that

said the chapel's just a shell of

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just a burnout shell, basically.

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Yeah, but I think Jeffrey has said

something to the effect of the church

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building might be destroyed, but the

church carries on something like that.

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It was really, I'm like, that's it.

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That's a really good response.

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Cause.

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It is sad to lose the building.

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Yeah.

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Uh, but the church is

greater than the building.

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She transcends that.

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Yeah.

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And their main auditorium

is not the chapel.

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So there may not have

torn him still intact.

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Yeah.

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And the reality is that church

is not hurting financially.

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And so I think they're going to be okay.

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I take it well, hopefully the restore it.

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I wouldn't be ashamed to

build a new thing on it.

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Yeah.

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I think they've got 13,000 members.

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They say they're no.

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So just a little more than us,

just a few more, 10%, about a few

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more, just 10% more than we do.

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Wait, let's jump into our daily

Bible reading for the day.

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We are finishing up the book of Hosea.

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So if you're sad, That you only get two

days in Hosea, this Bible reading plan.

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Well, I'm sorry, but it's mostly covered.

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Most of you probably are okay with it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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I.

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Hosea.

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It's a lot to cover and that's just my

it's, you know, seven chapters a day.

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It wasn't to cover poetry.

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It's not as dense as reading narrative,

but it's still a lot to cover.

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But prep for the podcast side of things.

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Like it.

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This prophecy stuff is it takes a minute.

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It's not easy.

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Yeah, no.

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Cause you're having to go through and

go, okay, how deep do we go on this?

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And what does that mean?

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And how do I, how do I explain this?

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Right.

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Yeah, well, chapter eight, the focus here

remains on God's judgment of Israel and

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chapter eight records, more indictments

against the people and charging them.

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Verse three, Israel, spurned, the

good, the enemy shall pursue him.

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They made Kings, but not through me.

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So this is an allusion to no illusion.

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This is a reference to

the divided monarchy.

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They set up their own Kings, but not

Davidic Kings, not Kings through the

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line that God had made a covenant with.

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And so he's charging them

with that disobedience.

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The second half of verse four

in verse five, they made idols

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for their own destruction.

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This began with Jeroboam.

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Uh, Bowman the golden

calves that he set up there.

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From the outset of the start of the

Northern kingdom, it began with a dollar

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tree and the adult tree just continued

to progress from that time forward.

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So the, the charge there, verse

seven, he says they sowed to the wind.

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In other words, all of their, their

work, all of their religious activities,

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all of their idol worship is feudal.

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It's like, like sowing to the wind.

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It's you're not going to reap anything.

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And yet what they're going

to reap is the whirlwind.

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So it's a play on words there.

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Uh, meaning you're going to get

the storm of judgment in return

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for the sowing to the wind.

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The feudal idol worship is going to

re reap the wrath of God in response.

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And then verses eight through 10

Israel's Alliance with other nations,

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he charges them on that and says,

look, these aren't going to help you.

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In the end and God is not going to

forget their inequity, but remember

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at verse 13, that's horrible.

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So many times that the positive side

of that is presented, God will forget

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your sins and remember them no more.

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But here it's no, I'm going to remember

your sins, which is a terrifying thing.

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And as Syria would become their

new Egypt, they would go into

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it to captivity under a Syria.

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Probably probably one of the scariest

things is what you just referenced here.

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They sowed the wind, they raped the Rowan.

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So, uh, we're coming, we're familiar

with the concept of reaping what you

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sell, but in addition to reaping what

you sow, you reap more than you sell.

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And they sowed the wind,

but they reap the whirlwind.

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So to put it in Texas vernacular,

you know, You sowed a breeze,

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but now you got the tornado.

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Yep.

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And there's a, it there's always

that sense of whatever you're reaping

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right now, the way that you're living

your life, the way that you are.

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Pursuing your walk with God

or not is going to have an

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effect later on down the line.

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And it's going to be greater than the

thing that you're selling right now.

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That's, that's kind of the way

that sowing and reaping works.

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So just notice here.

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A very clear and easy principle that

you can apply to your life right now.

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You reap what you sell, but you also

reap more than what you, so yeah.

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And that is terrifying.

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Sobering.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Chapter nine.

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Then this chapter focuses more

on the actual judgment that was

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going to come against Israel, verse

three, they would lose their land.

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And so think about the Abrahamic,

covenant and the significance of the land.

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And so there's an undoing here.

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There, there, they shall not return

remain rather in the land of the Lord.

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But Efraim that's the Northern

kingdom shall return to Egypt.

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Again, Egypt is going to be represented

by a Syria, a series, the new Egypt here.

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And so when you're reading

that they're using it.

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As a standard metaphorically there to

refer, refer to captivity in enslavement,

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just like they once were in Egypt.

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They were now going to be that in a Syria.

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Verses seven through nine,

then punishment arrives.

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And though they had scored

the profits warnings.

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They would know now know it

to be true, that the profits

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that said, Hey, be careful.

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They had ignored them.

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Now they're going to see that

they're their warnings were true.

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Their corruption had grown so deep

that it was to be like in judges

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19, when the residents of Gibeah

had that had defiled the concubine.

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If you remember that story judges

19, they defiled the concubine.

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He took the concubine.

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He chopped up the concubine, sent it

throughout the whole region of the earth.

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There.

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It was a graphic horrific

thing that took place there.

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And it was one of the high points

or low points rather of the.

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Just depravity of Israel.

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And so he's saying it's like that

again, this is we're back in this.

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Same type of a situation.

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And then verses 11 through 14,

another component of Israel's

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judgment would be infertility.

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And so th this is where we need to be

careful church, because this is not, this

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is not a painting with a broad brush.

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In other words, it's not, God's saying

every bout of infertility, someone

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struggles with is God's judgment.

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But there are times that he

has used that as judgment.

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And this is one of them where he's

saying you're going to be infertile and

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the children that you do have on top

of that, I'm going to take from you.

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And so there's going to be.

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The death of some of their children.

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Again, this is all a part

of God's judgment on them

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for their sin and in this.

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This is part of the reason, the area

where we get out of the realm of

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okay, wrath and brimstone and storms

and whirlwinds and everything else.

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And in captivity, in a Syria.

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And now it begins to hit us in the fuels.

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If I can use that.

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The younger vernacular.

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Because to think about losing your

children and to think that God would take.

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Their children from

them, inactive judgment.

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That's how significant

sin is against a holy gun.

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And I think we undersell it when

we think, well, that seems extreme.

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No, it's, it's really the, the

appropriate response of a raffle got.

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And then when you take it further

than that and think about what hell

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is going to be like for people.

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Uh, hell is going to be

so much worse than that.

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And without end.

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In the torment and the suffering

and the pain, this was temporal in a

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sense for the Israelites, because they

would mourn the loss of their child.

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And, and then, you know, that,

that, but that was a moment in time.

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Hell is eternal, unending,

ongoing suffering, and it's

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in response to our sin.

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And so that's the judgment

that God's bringing here.

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Verse 15, they, they needed this

reminder of why this was happening.

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So God reminds it to them that

it was because their, their idol

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worship that they rejected him

and instead worshiped idols.

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And gilgel, there was the

epicenter of that idol worship.

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And so finally, verse 17, they were

being rejected by the Lord and would

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find themselves in exile from the land.

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Two quick notes here.

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They've infertility is just like

an add to that one more time,

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because I know that's a, that's a

heavy subject and people feel that.

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Yep.

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Um, number one, Israel, where Israel was

going to bail, they were utilizing bales,

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fertility rights to produce offspring.

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And so God is responding,

not just in a, in a.

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Okay.

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I'm just gonna make you not have kids.

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It was directly related to

the sin of their idolatry.

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Yeah.

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So.

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So keep that in mind.

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This is one thing that God is doing

in response to their specific sin.

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Of approaching bail for fertility.

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Secondly, this is also related to

the covenant that God made with them

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to, they would, it would be fruitful.

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They would multiply.

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This is part of the gods

expansion of Abraham's offspring.

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This is part of the covenant.

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And so in keeping with their

lack of response to the covenant,

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God responds and saying no.

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Okay.

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Well, I'm going to have to discipline

you now because of your, uh, your

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lack of response to the covenant

restrictions and obligations.

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So those two things keep in mind,

but one more thing here, as you

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think about Egypt, since Jose does

talk about Egypt quite a bit here.

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Uh, keep in mind that in the

old Testament, the primary

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salvation paradigm is the Exodus.

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That's the thing that the whole new

to old Testament revolves around.

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And the same way then in the new

Testament, everything revolves around

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the cross Jesus, uh, setting the cross,

dying, rising again on the third day,

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everything in the new Testament speaks

to that in some way, shape or form

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in the same way in the old Testament.

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Now most of the time, you're going to see

illusions either veiled or deliberate,

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clear, obvious backs to the Exodus.

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So when you see that here, Egypt typically

is going to fall into that place of.

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Remember what it was like when you

were slaves and how God delivered you.

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So keep that in mind, as you read,

that's going to be helpful as you

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read the old Testament period.

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Yeah.

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So there's kind of an undoing,

a walking back of the Abrahamic,

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covenant with a lot of this, then

losing the land, losing the children.

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You're going to be in bondage and

you're gonna be back in slavery.

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Yeah.

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Because they chose it.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Yeah, well, chapter 10 then exile, as

we've been talking about that is coming.

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And so in verse one, the indictment

here continues and in this time

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it focuses on Israel's comfort.

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And this is one that we should pay

attention to church because there's a

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danger for us living where we live and

the, the, the atmosphere that we live or

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it's easy to, I was talking to somebody.

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Just recently, actually about how

easy it is to be a Christian here.

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And they were saying that's

such a good thing and I kind

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of spun it the opposite way.

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Yes.

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But I think it's, it's also a bad

thing because the temptation is that.

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It just becomes, well, I'm a

Christian because I live here.

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Yeah, I live here.

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I go to church every, every.

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To the Kroger.

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Exactly.

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And so they're here and they're

comfortable and they're thinking

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we're fine because we're, God's

people, we're Israel after all.

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And so it says there, the more his

fruit increase, the more alters

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he built as his country improved.

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He improved his pillars.

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Remember at the time of Jeroboam

the second in the time of, of.

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Him and in the onward, which

is this time that Jose is

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prophesying all the way to OSHA.

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Uh, this was a time of prosperity

for the Northern kingdom.

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It was, yeah, a serial

was there in a sear.

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It was looming large, but one of the

problems that they had was there was

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peace and prosperity and it lowered

the people into a state of comfort

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in rather than following the Lord

and being grateful to him for that.

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They instead chased after all of

their, their idolatrous lovers

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and they thought to themselves.

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Yeah, but it's okay.

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We're Israel where the people

of God were going to be okay.

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When in reality, they weren't verses

five through six notice that they were

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going to mourn, but they were going

to mourn over the one of these calves.

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Uh, th their beloved calf, the

calf from Jeroboam was going

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to be carried into exile.

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And they're going to mourn over that.

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That's how to praised at this point.

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They are.

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Uh, verse eight, their captivity was

going to be so bad that they would

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beg the mountains to fall on them.

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That's going to be what we

find in the end times as well.

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And so this is, uh, an illusion to

that revelation six 16 talks about

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the fact that in God's judgment in

the end times, people are going to

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call in the mountains to fall on them.

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Well, this was.

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Like that for Israel as well.

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And so finally verses 11 through 15,

Israel's compared to this heifer.

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Uh, this cow who was rebellious

against the owners training instead

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of plowing justice, Israel plowed

injustice, instead of plowing

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righteousness, it plowed a non-equity.

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And so therefore, Judgment was

coming to end was in sight.

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I love.

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Uh, verse 12 in chapter

10, chapter 10, verse 12.

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So for yourselves, righteousness,

reef, steadfast love break up your

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fallow ground for it is the time

to seek the Lord that he may come

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and rain righteousness upon you.

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Uh, agricultural metaphor is a

bounding right here, but notice this,

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this is something that also applies

to the new Testament, Christian.

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Now there is opportunity in your,

in your life, fallow ground.

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If you will unused.

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Unutilized areas of your life that

could be used for the purposes

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of Christ and for his kingdom.

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If you want the Lord to reign the

reigns of revival and then maybe

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there's opportunity in your life too.

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To serve him to, to devote more of your

time to him and to devote more of your

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mental Headspace, not to the Instagrams

or the tick talks or the Facebooks,

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but more to the purposes of Christ.

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How many times did those things steal

those little places over life and

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they become fallow ground unused,

but per possibly productive areas.

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That could be used for so much more.

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So again, as we're looking

at, God's dealing with Israel.

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And there are things that are

easily applied to the new Testament.

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Christian, keep your eyes peeled.

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There's some more stuff like this.

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Yeah, there is.

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Chapter 11.

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Then this chapter focuses largely the,

the there's a shift because the focus

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now goes to the future redemption of

God's people, the millennial kingdom,

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and we're in, he's going to regather

the remnants and even some from

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Israel, from the Northern kingdom.

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Now the Northern kingdom is not

going to be a kingdom anymore.

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Never again, Efraim is going to be gone.

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It's done, but there still, aren't going

to be some faithful of the remnant there

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that will enjoy the millennial kingdom.

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That will be a part of God's redeemed.

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And so there's also reminders of

Israel's current sin and the necessary

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judgment that was coming forward,

presently, but God is mixing.

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Mixing in some of the hopefulness

in the message of prophecy that he's

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giving here to the, uh, to the people

of Israel through the prophet Hosea.

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Chapter 12, then this is kind of a

summary chapter of Israel's rejection

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of their God in their idolatrous ways.

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That's kind of what I took

away from this chapter.

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It really is kind of summarizing a lot

of ground that we've already covered.

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Um, but this is kind of reminding.

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Uh, verse eight Ephram has

said, oh, but I'm rich.

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I've I found well for myself, again,

the comfort there in all my labors,

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they cannot find in me iniquity or sin.

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I am the Lord, your God.

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From the land of Egypt, I will again make

you dwell intense again, that undoing

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of the Exodus, that, that returned to

captivity that returned to the wilderness.

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Uh, isn't view here, but kind of a summary

chapter that it gives in chapter 12.

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You might be wondering that if God,

and does all these things, what do

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we do then with the unilateral nature

of the Abrahamic covenant, I'm glad

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that you asked let's continue on.

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Hey, what do we do with

the unilateral covenant?

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That's a great question.

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PJ let's let's look at chapters 13

and 14 and see how the Lord answers

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that what's chapter 13, then.

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Uh, I wanted to highlight, especially

verse 14 of chapter 13, um, which I know

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is jumping halfway down into it, but it's

interesting because he says this, I shall

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ransom them from the power of shield.

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Now, Sheila is the grave, right?

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I shall redeem them from death.

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Oh, death.

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Where are your plagues or shield?

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Where's your sting?

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Compassion is hidden from my eyes.

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Th this verse is interesting because

it looks like it's it's positive.

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Right?

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I shall ransom them from

the power of shield.

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I shall redeem them from death.

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Oh death where your

plagues or death or shield.

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Where's your sting?

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It causes us to go to first Corinthians

15 in our mind and think of when

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Paul says death, where's your sting?

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But that's where Paul's getting it though.

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Right?

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Well, he's getting it, but he's.

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He's flying it.

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Yeah, applied differently because

here, this is a calling for death.

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This is a calling for the plagues.

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In other words, he's calling

for the sting of death because

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the people have rejected him.

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He's saying death, where are you?

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Come on.

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Let's go.

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It's time to come.

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It plagues.

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Where are you?

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It's it's time to, to bring your sting.

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And then that's why he says compassion

is hidden from my eyes because it's

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that compassion is hidden from my eyes.

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That causes us to go wait a minute.

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That doesn't make sense because

that's not what Paul's argument

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is first Corinthians 15.

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But Paul's flipping it

on its head a little bit.

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There.

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Okay, so that brings up

a good question then.

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When a new Testament author utilizes.

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In fact, we skipped over one, um, uh,

chapter 11 out of Egypt, I called my

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son Rafa uses that, uh, when a new

Testament author takes a text, that

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seems to say something different.

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Than what you read in

the immediate context.

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How do we appropriately understand that?

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Because it seems like they're misusing the

text seems like they're just saying it.

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Oh, Oh, this sounds like this.

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I'm going to use it.

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Nilly Willy.

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Um, but that's obviously not happening.

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So how do we understand things like that?

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Just generally speaking.

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Yeah.

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For.

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For me, it's always second to me, the

three 16 and 17 guides me in that.

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That all scripture is breathed out by God.

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So that means as, as Paul is writing in.

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Taking this and using it in a different

sense than it was originally intended.

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Paul's doing so under the

permission and authority and

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direction of the holy spirit.

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Uh, that is leading him towards that end.

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If I'm going to take a passage

from the old Testament and try to

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do the same thing, I don't have

that same power that Paul has.

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I'm not writing into the

direction of the holy spirit.

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I'm not preaching under the

direction of the holy spirit.

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So for me as a preacher in, in 2024, I

have a responsibility to stick to the

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original author's intent, as best as

I possibly can without trying to take

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that out and make it mean something

that it didn't mean at that time.

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Paul had a different ability to do

that with the text as, as did Matthew.

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Because they're writing under the

direction of the spirit, they were

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writing scripture just as they

were quoting scripture and under

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God's purview and supervision.

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God's superintendent it to be able

to apply in multiple ways in, in,

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even in different ways, like in

this one and first Corinthians 15.

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So, does she be clear with

what you're saying here?

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Are you suggesting, or

at least as it is it.

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As what you're getting at then.

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That Matthew and Paul.

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Are using these texts in a way that

are outside the meaning of the text.

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E I would say yes, I think there's a.

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When the people read this at this

time, they weren't thinking the

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same thing that Paul was was.

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Thinking when he wrote that in first

Corinthians 15, but, but that's

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even still, it's the same with.

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Isaiah 53.

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It's the same with out of Egypt.

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I called my son the original audience,

and even the prophet, wasn't thinking,

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he's talking about the Messiah.

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He's talking about Jesus.

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But.

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Looking back at it, from our

perspective, we're able to see

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things that the original audience and

original authors couldn't understand.

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So there's that element.

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But then I think in, in this one

in particular, I think there's,

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there's a different shade of

meaning that Paul is able to apply

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to the text that wasn't here.

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This is not talking about the final

victory of Christ over death in Hosea 13.

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This is talking about.

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The, the literal sting of

death and the place of death.

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I wonder.

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Okay, this is just me kind of

spit balling with you here.

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I wonder if there's a way to

understand some of these texts that

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we read and say, oh, that's not what

he meant by that Paul or Matthew.

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That's not what he was talking

about for us to say, okay.

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Maybe there's a deeper and richer

fulfillment in what's being happy.

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What's happening here versus.

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I guess what the.

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Not superficial, but the

natural reading of the text,

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for instance, here in verse 14.

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And death plagues.

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Stayings all those things.

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Paul is maybe suggesting that the new

Testament and under the new covenant,

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under the Spirit's work, that things that

are natural to judgment are reversed.

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That instead of there

being death and judgment.

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Because of Christ.

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Paul can now affirm what Jose

at what the opposite of Hosea's

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point was here is that yes.

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Under, under sin.

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There's death there stings there's

plagues, but now under Christ,

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he reverses the sting of death.

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He reverses the plagues,

he reverses death itself.

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So I'm wondering if

there's a way to read it.

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Faithfully.

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I'd say yes, Jose.

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It didn't say that.

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But Paul Matthew, whoever

else up, even Hebrews.

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The way that they're understanding it is

saying, oh, this is how it points to that.

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Are we not free to do that?

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Is that a, would you say

that's a faithful way to read?

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Normally in other words, as I'm

reading the old Testament, do I

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read it the new Testament in mind?

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Or should I read what's there and

say, okay, let me just try to divorce

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this and just read what's on the page.

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Yeah, we read it with the

new Testament in mind.

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I think there's limits to that though.

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Yeah, it could be dangerous.

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There's people that have been in the

past that were like way off the deep end.

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Right.

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So there's governors and guides.

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How do we do that safely?

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Well, and I think even not even those

that we would say are off the deep

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end, I think our covenant brothers and

sisters in Christ air too much on this.

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Yeah, I think.

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When they're looking for every promise

regarding Israel in the future is

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fulfilled in Christ in the church.

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I think that's abusive to the

text, not in a way that I'm

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going to say you're a heretic.

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We're not anywhere near that with,

with these men and women who are

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our covenant theologians, but I

think the wrong in what they do.

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I think.

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Uh, the, the, the promises given

to Israel are promises that are

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meant to be fulfilled in Israel.

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Covenant theologians,

pause on that for a second.

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Quickly explain that.

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Yeah.

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So covenant theologians being, they

look at at the, the economy of God

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in redemptive history is broken down

into the covenants rather than into

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what we would say are dispensations.

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Some of the main differences

between a covenant theologian and a

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dispensational theologian, which we

ourselves would be in our churches, a

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dispensationalist body, as far as its

leadership is concerned and direction.

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One of the main distinction.

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Is, is there a future for Israel?

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Where has the church supplanted Israel?

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Um, superseded Israel.

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And so in the covenant perspective,

you're going to find them

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looking at the promises, given

to Israel in the old Testament

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for the future that we would say.

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Hey, that's still coming.

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The millennial kingdom there.

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They're going to have those promises

fulfilled, Zechariah 14 and others.

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That's still going to

happen in the future.

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Right?

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The covenant theologian is

good is going to say no.

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Israel has now been superseded by

the church that the church is now

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the fulfillment of those promises.

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Now.

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Um, Not all Israel is Israel.

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Not all Israel.

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We are Israel.

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Even though they're Israel of the flesh,

we're actually Israel of the spirit where

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the true Israel and therefore all those

promises are going to be fulfilled in us.

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Right.

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Right.

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So I don't back to our question in Hosea.

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I I'm not saying Paul was perverting

the text in applying it right.

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That he did.

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Right.

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And so I think that's what you're driving

at there too is Paul was able to see.

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And again, I think by the spirit able to

see that there's an application of that

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text that they wouldn't have ever been

able to, to conclude what would happen

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that Paul could now look back because

of the cross and say, okay, there's a

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reversal of this that's taking place.

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Right.

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Well, I guess all that does bring us to

chapter 14, where I was trying to get

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at chapter 13, before boat to judgment.

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For bodes, what's going to

happen, but 14, the unilateral

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nature of the Abrahamic covenant.

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It's not done with them, which is

what we get to in chapter 14, right?

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Because this, this, uh, exile, this

captivity much like the Egyptian

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exile is going to be temporary.

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This is not an undoing of the covenant

in that he's done with Israel and he's

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not going to ever come back for them.

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To go back to what we

were just talking about.

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Dispensationalism right.

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That there is a future and that he

does have a future plan for Israel

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and he is going to restore them.

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And, and hopefully you're seeing this

now churches as we've been going through

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the daily Bible reading plan in so

many times, we've talked about, this

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is pointing to the millennial kingdom.

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This is pointing to the future.

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This is pointing to this.

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This is pointing to that.

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Th that, that God has a

future plan for Israel.

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There are so many passages where it is.

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God's speaking to Israel in the

old Testament, talking about

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these future promises that

he's going to fulfill in there.

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And as an, as an immutable, God whose

character and promises are unchanging.

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I believe that those promises

are still for Israel and there

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is going to be a future for them.

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And he is going to

fulfill those with them.

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And so in chapter 14, there's the plea.

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Hey, repent, return to the Lord.

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That's how it opens because there

is this future verse four, I'm

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going to heal their apostasy.

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I will love them freely for

my anger has turned from them.

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And so this is not that God is

washing his hands and walking

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away saying I'm done with it.

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I'm starting over with this thing called

the church on the day of Pentecost.

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This is God.

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Holding out this, this future hope

that that Israel could be restored.

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Now when we get to Zechariah and I

can't wait until we do, but when we

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get to Zechariah that restoration, that

future millennial kingdom, cause you

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may be thinking about, okay, well what

do we do with our Jewish friends today?

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Right?

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Uh, we call them to repent and believe

in Jesus because that's going to be

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the doorway to the future fulfillment

of these promises then as well, is

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that the right 14 is going to talk

about this fountain that's opened

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up and it's the, the, the blood of

Christ that will provide forgiveness.

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They're going to look on him whom they

have pierced, and they're going to

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mourn, that's talking about Israel there.

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That they're going to look back

at the cross and realize that

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Jesus is who Jesus said he was.

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And they're going to mourn the

role that they Israel played.

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And crucifying him.

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So, uh, the answer is

going to be the gospel.

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So what do you do with

your Jewish friends today?

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You preach the gospel to them and

call them to faith and repentance

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because in the end, they're

going to believe the gospel.

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That's, what's going to save them

for the millennial kingdom as well.

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It seems like even within the United

States, at least there is a recognition

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that God's not done with Israel.

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That seems to have it has, it seems

to have informed our foreign policy.

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Yeah.

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When Israel is reconstitute

as a nation and 48, we've been

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kind of on our side since then.

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Protected her we've sent

her, you know, we've had this

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relationship because I think.

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A lot of the, I mean, early in

the forties, fifties, there were

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people that were pretty strongly

dispensational and understanding

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that God's not done with them.

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And we still believe that.

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So I think it's here in the scriptures.

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It's hard to ignore it.

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Anyway, we have a very simple, simple

reading, simple, although not stupid.

742

Uh, approach to scripture.

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And I think this is a Jose is

a really great example of that.

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It is, it is for sure.

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Yep.

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By the way, I think I've referenced

this book before, but if, if you want

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more information on this, a great

book written by a dispensationalist

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kind of explaining some of these

things is a book by Michael Vlock

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called has the church replaced Israel.

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Uh, it's a good book.

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I would encourage you to pick it up.

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It's it's meaty.

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Uh, but it will answer a lot of

questions that perhaps you have, and

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if you still got more than pastor

rod, More than happy to answer this.

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Send me an email.

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You know what?

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We'll put the link in the show notes.

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That'd be great.

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Link for that way.

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You guys can get it right away.

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Make it easy.

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Yep.

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Sounds good.

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Y that brings us to an answer.

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Let me pray.

766

And then we will wrap up.

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This episode of the DBR podcast.

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God, thanks for this, uh, this passage,

this text, what we were just talking

769

about, that there is a future for

Israel and we pray that you would

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bring that about swiftly and quickly.

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And, and God, we even do ask, as we

were just talking about nationally,

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our, our posture towards Israel,

that, that we would be in a place

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that we would continue to, to support

Israel and be an ally of Israel.

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Um, even though right now, Israel is not

walking after you and not following you.

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Like we were just saying that, that

the hope for them Lord is that they

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will eventually bow the, need it to,

to Christ the one that they crucified

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as their Messiah and realize that.

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And we prayed that, that they would

be hastened and in even praying that

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we understand that that means that

that we're asking for the rapture

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to take place sooner than later.

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We're asking that you would return

for the church sooner than later.

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Because until that happens, Israel.

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Is not going to be restored.

784

Um, and so for now, in this time,

as you say in your word, the time

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of the Gentiles, I pray that you'd

be fruitful as, as the church that

786

we would go out and we would make

disciples that we would reach people

787

for Christ, that we would point people

to Jesus, Jews, and Gentile, like.

788

And that we would be, uh, just

a, an effective instrument in

789

your hands to, to hasten that day

when you returned for the church.

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And then ultimately you can bring your

promises to fulfillment with Israel as

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well through the millennial kingdom.

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So we prayed towards that

end in Christ's name.

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Amen.

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Well, there you go, church joining

again tomorrow for another episode

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of the daily Bible podcast.

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We'll see you then.

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Bye.