This very special episode is in celebration of Sanctity of Life Sunday. Listen in as Entrusted Ministries Director and longtime Christian journalist Tom Strode discuss the biblical basis for the dignity of life, the historicity of this debate, and what we can do as believers to live this principle out.

Episodes Referenced:

What if It's About More Than the Baby + Natural Solutions (Part 1)

What if It's About More Than the Baby (Part 2)

What if It's About More Than the Baby (Part 3)

Every Day Before You Say Chart

They're the joyful agains our children shout on the swings, the

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exhausting agains of cooking and laundry,

and the difficult agains of discipline.

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So much of what we do

as mothers is on repeat.

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So what if we woke up with clarity,

knowing which agains we were called

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to, and went to bed believing we

are faithful in what matters most?

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We believe God's word is

the key to untangle from the

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confusion and overwhelm we feel.

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Let's look up together to embrace a

motherhood full of freedom and joy.

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Thank you for joining us for part two of a

very important dialogue between entrusted

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ministries, director and the author of

entrusted with the child's heart, Betsy

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Corning and journalist, Tom Strode.

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I'm Stephanie Hickox and this

is the again, podcast brought

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to you by interested ministries.

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Today's episode focuses

on the sanctity of life.

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As I said, this is part

two of a discussion.

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And if you haven't had an opportunity

to listen to episode one, Go back and

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listen to last week's episode first.

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Betsy and Tom, speak on this

truly controversial topic

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with such care and compassion.

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I so appreciate that even as we

were ending the interview, Mr.

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Strode said, You know, it's hard for

me to stay on top of all these issues.

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I can't imagine being a busy young

mom taking care of little ones and

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staying on top of what's going on.

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It was so kind of him to share his

time with us and help inform us so we

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can be mindful and intentional with

our choices, our convictions, and also

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to be impacting the world around us.

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Toward the end of the interview, Mr.

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Strode shares a truly thought provoking

statistic on women entering the church.

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And it might radically shape

your perspective as it has mine.

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If you're looking for more on

the sanctity of life or how

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it can practically play out.

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I would love for you to go and listen

to an interview I did with Jen Frackman.

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I will link those episodes

in the show notes.

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And this incredible

interview she discussed it.

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It's an absolutely amazing adoption

story and how the Lord led her to

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radically love, not only a baby.

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But a young mother in need.

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Every time she tells it.

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I get goosebumps And I'm sure the

spirit will work in your heart.

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As you listen.

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She also has some great natural solutions.

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I hope that you and your crew are healthy

right now, but if you're fighting some

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sickness this winter, I know you'll be

blessed by the tips that she shares.

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Again, I'll link those in the show notes.

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You don't want to miss.

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Those episodes of Jen sharing.

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A truly transformational

adoption testimony.

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Without further ado.

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Here's part two of that interview with

Betty Corning and journalist Tom Strode.

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Betsy: Bring us up to date, if you

would, on what's happening with Roe v.

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Wade because obviously

it's been challenged

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Tom: almost 50 years after the Roe v.

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Wade decision in 1973 where pro lifers

challenged the law, that ruling, I should

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say, over and over, a couple of times

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excuse me, Reproductive Health Services.

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1992 Planned Parenthood versus Casey.

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It appeared at one point, based

on the papers of justices who had

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retired after that, that the court

had a majority to overturn Roe.

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But by the time they got to

actually issuing a decision,

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that majority had fallen apart.

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And in both cases, the court

supported some state restrictions,

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but Just basically permitted

Roe to continue and abortion to

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continue throughout the country.

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But then there was a case that came to

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Jackson Women's Health Organization.

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It was a case out of Mississippi,

and in that decision, the court ruled

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5 4 that not only was that law of

Mississippi's Legitimate, but the Roe v.

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Wade decision was wrongly

decided and it struck down Roe v.

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Wade.

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Now, of course, what that required is

you finally have to have enough justices.

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Who will actually take that step.

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And over the years, you know, justices

came and went without that taking place.

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But finally by 2022, there were five

justices who were willing to do that.

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Clarence Thomas, who'd been

on the court for 30 years.

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Samuel Alito had been on almost 20

years, and then the three justices

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who were nominated and confirmed

during the Trump administration.

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Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh

and Amy Coney Barrett.

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And Samuel Alito wrote the decision

for the court, for the majority.

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And in it, he said, Roe was

egregiously wrong from the start.

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Its reasoning was exceptionally

weak and the decision has

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had damaging consequences.

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The constitution makes no reference to

abortion and no such right is implicitly

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protected by any provision therein.

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And he went on to describe Roe as

an abuse of judicial authority.

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He said the court failed to ground its

decision in text, history, or precedent.

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And so what that did was, it sent

the decision, or sent the abortion

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regulation, whatever a state was going

to decide, it went back to the states.

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The federal government did not

have any longer authority in that

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area as far as what was legal.

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It went back to the pre Roe.

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Situation.

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Betsy: Well, this is so interesting

and impactful and you can see

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how it has divided the country

in so many portions, sadly so.

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And it's interesting because in

Entrusted, I know that I talk

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about this it's kind of a joke.

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It's a man that comes to heaven and

Peter meets him at the gate, and says,

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why should I let you into heaven?

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And he says, and he's a scientist and

he believes that science is superior and

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science has accomplished all these things,

all these biogenetic things, and they're

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able to, you know, really create a person.

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And he says, well, can you create a

person out of the dust of the ground?

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And so the scientist, yes, I'm sure

I can, but God takes a handful of

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dirt and he creates a man just like

that out of the dust of the ground.

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And, and then the scientist picks up the

dirt and God says, no, get your own dirt.

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Now I've heard that before, but the

thing about it, how it actually relates

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today in sort of a chilling way.

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Is that that's actually

happening, but people you could

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insert instead of dirt, DNA.

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So God created the DNA and man can't

do anything to actually create the DNA

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or who knows what they'll be doing.

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But I think back to the tower of

Babel when it says there will be no

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limit to what man will start doing.

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And to that, I say, Lord Jesus come

quickly because it's getting to the

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realm of Really some chilling things that

are happening and, you had a quote that

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you mentioned about how do we do things

safely and ethically, when we really

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don't even agree on how we're created.

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So, people would say that You know,

God would say, get your own DNA, but

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maybe they are getting their own DNA.

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I've read a lot of things that

are happening now in biogenetics

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and how they're actually able to

accomplish a lot of things that we

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might have really thought were sci fi.

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Can you address that a little bit?

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Tom: Well, you're right, Betsy.

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The progress has been made by science

and medicine in many ways has been

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amazing, the kind of surgeries able

to do, even on children in utero.

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who have maladies that can be corrected.

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But with that genetic progress and

development, come a lot of questions

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and a lot of harms to human life.

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And the thing we always need

to think about as citizens,

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as Christians, as parents is.

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The sanctity and dignity of the one who

will be affected by the decisions we make.

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And and so in all of this, in

the genetic engineering, genetic

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manipulation all the different

things that have been accomplished

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I mean, that needs to be foremost.

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We need to protect human life

and in one of the, and so there's

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prenatal testing that goes on.

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And unfortunately, that testing not

only can learn, although not with

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100 percent success conditions that

an unborn child may have, like Down

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syndrome, like spina bifida, and others.

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But, then what's often happens is If

the child is diagnosed with such a

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condition, what do you do at that point?

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And many doctors are going to recommend

that that child be terminated, be aborted.

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And and so we would say, well, that's

That's wrong and that child has

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the right to life and is deserving

of protection just as one, much

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as one who's considered healthy.

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And who are we to judge what life is

worth living and is not worth living?

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And sadly you know, with Down syndrome

in particular, the diagnoses are

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not always accurate, but there was a

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to 2011, in which they found in the

United States, That 67 percent of

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the diagnosis on unborn children of

Down syndrome resulted in abortions.

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Now, higher figures are used in some

European countries, have been in the past.

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Like Denmark and Iceland, where there

we're talking about 95%, 100 percent of

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children with Down syndrome are aborted.

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And that's been a problem.

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And in fact, some states have

been so concerned about it that

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they have passed laws to protect

unborn life in those situations.

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Um, uh, 11 states, excuse me, eight

states have passed laws that ban fetal

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anomaly abortions, in other words, any

anomaly in a, Diagnosed in a child in

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those states, it cannot be aborted.

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And it's not that the other

states necessarily agree with it.

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They, for some reason, haven't

seen the need to do that.

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11 states, even more.

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Have actually banned sex selection

abortions, which sounds, to

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us, crazy in the United States.

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That's a problem in countries and has

been for years, like China and India.

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But there is some concern among some

states that that's a valid concern now.

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So we You have to be concerned

about prenatal testing and what

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the result will be with that.

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Betsy: Yes, I agree.

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And this I think is another issue

that's happening is politics or

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the government isn't really keeping

up closely with the science.

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Just like I said, the public

has a difficulty in this regard.

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And so I think the latest,

that was a concern.

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I, I actually have examples of

these from my entrusted class.

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You know, of these sort of things,

but I think the near future, if not

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of the present, is that you won't even

wait for the baby to be conceived.

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The DNA will be checked before it's

fertilized, and they will be able to

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weed out certain disease processes.

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So then we come to the question

of the sanctity of life.

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How much do we interfere with what

should naturally be taking place.

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And I was reading some science viewpoints

recently, and they were saying that,

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you know, we know that Romans one says

we do not change the natural for the

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unnatural, but they don't see that as.

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They see it as natural because

of their view of science.

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So this is another rift just

between the Christian worldview

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and the non Christian worldview.

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So are we going to just start

making children that eventually.

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All look the same and we'll all be the

same and we're all the same Level of

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intelligence and we're all the same

this and that I think that's one of the

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ethical issues that they're dealing with

But when we think of it as christians

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We see a component there that they

don't see See in DNA and that besides

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being created in the image of God, is

that we have an inherent sin nature.

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So we cannot prescribe to a person

who they're going to be just by

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their DNA, their genetic coding.

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And even though we interfere with that.

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We're still going to, as long as

this world exists, because the

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Bible tells us so, there will be

this rebellious nature in man.

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And I know that this, especially for

the heart that doesn't believe in God.

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So as a result of that, we can have rogue

scientists all over the world that don't

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have a worthy cause to You know, even in

this whole situation of the coronavirus,

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scientists all over the world sort of

band together and didn't worry about who

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got a patent or who got paid so much.

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They were trying to find the vaccination.

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And, and in fact, they came through

with a vaccination that is completely

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entirely different than previous

vaccinations have been because they

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used genetic material rather than

the introduction of the actual virus.

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So, even that part of

science is changing so much.

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And I think that we really, we really

need to understand how we need to, to

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really believe to know what we believe

and why we believe it and stand with our

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convictions, no matter what the world

may think otherwise, even in this area

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of area of speciesm, which they would

call the people It's a derogatory term,

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but people who espouse the sanctity of

life, this would be applied to them.

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Because why do you think life,

human life is so special?

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It's.

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Equal with animal life.

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Here's another quote that I have.

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Speciesism is often condemned as the

same sort of bigotry as racism or sexism.

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And people who oppose speciesism say that

giving human beings greater rights than

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non humans is as arbitrary and, get this,

as morally wrong as giving white people

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people, greater whites than non whites.

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So basically they're

saying it's morally wrong.

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Where we are saying, this is what the

Bible says, and it's morally right.

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They actually degree disagree to the

level of saying it's a moral issue.

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To say that animals are not

on the equal level of people.

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So no sin nature attributed to humans.

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And no value in being

made in the image of God.

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And of course we would say that all

people, all people of every nation,

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tongue, and tribe are worthy and special.

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Dignified people to be

protected before the Lord.

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Tom: Well, in you, in talking

about scientists and, and how

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some handle this whole issue

think of the movie Jurassic Park.

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We were with one of our children

and his family for Christmas.

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And our oldest.

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Granddaughter on that side of the family

had been wanting to watch Jurassic

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Park and her parents finally decided,

I shouldn't say finally, they decided

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that she was old enough to watch it

and she knows I like dinosaurs and so

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she wanted me to watch it with her.

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So we watched it end of the year.

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And there's a part in that movie,

and I, I know many of your listeners

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have probably seen that movie, the

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There's a part in the movie when

John Hammond, who's played by Richard

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Attenborough, is explaining What

his scientists have accomplished.

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They've been able to clone dinosaurs

by getting the DNA material from

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mosquitoes who had sucked the blood

out of those dinosaurs ages ago.

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And then those mosquitoes that had

been discovered preserved in amber.

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And and he's commending to Ian Malcolm,

who's played by Jeff Goldbloom and

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some others, who he's brought in

to kind of sign off on this new

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amusement park that features dinosaurs.

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And he's telling them about what

great things his scientists have done.

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And Jeff Goldblum gives him a

warning about genetic power.

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He says, your scientists were

so preoccupied with whether

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or not they could, they didn't

stop to think if they should.

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And I think that's kind

of a warning to us.

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And we as Christians, but any human

being especially parents who want to

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have children need to remember, and

you know, when you come to in vitro

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fertilization which is Been grown, you

know, in popularity over the decades.

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And right now we have 1 million

embryos that are frozen in storage.

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Undetermined what their

fate is going to be.

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And it's not unusual for

12 embryos to be created.

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For one couple and and not

nearly that many are implanted.

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And after some are implanted and whether

there's success or not, the parents

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have to decide, what are we going to do?

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Are we going to keep paying

to have these preserved?

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Are we going to let them be destroyed?

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Are we going to let them be

given to medical research?

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Well, the one good thing is,

Families or couples who want to have

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children and are willing to adopt.

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Can actually adopt an embryo or embryos

and a woman can bring those to term and

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give birth and that's been Duplicated

you know over and over and and that's a

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pro life ministry in itself and parents

who See that they've got these children.

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They don't want them.

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They've allowed them to be created.

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And they're in storage recognizing, you

know, we can't let these children die.

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They are children who are

deserving of protection.

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And give them for donation to be implanted

in a woman who's willing to give birth.

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And to raise that child as her

own or her own with her husband's.

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And so, they're just all these

issues we have to think about.

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And, and we need to be aware of

young parents or young couples who

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are dealing with infertility need

to be aware of those kind of issues

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before they go down that path.

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Betsy: It can certainly create the

proverbial slippery slope and I think

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we need to think ahead on those.

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Ethical implications.

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If we create life, we want to preserve it,

protect it, and not have it be destroyed.

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And so, that is something for every

young couple to wrestle with and know

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where they stand on these issues.

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And I think also with abortion, you

know, we have a heavy heart for women

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who may have Not really understood

the issue in the past and taken part

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and had an abortion And we would

want them to know that that is not

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something that god would not forgive.

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He forgives everything That we

repent of we obviously fall in

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his mercy and we repent of that

and ask for his forgiveness.

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I think there's so many, in, in talking

with so many women in the country,

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I realize that that is just a weight

that women carry, if that has been

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a part of their past, and we would

certainly not wish that for them.

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We would want them to feel that healing

and that restoration with the Lord,

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and that can certainly happen through

taking those actions, just quietly,

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you know, In your own home, just call

out to the Lord and, and repent of

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that action, rather than, you know,

carrying all that, the weight of that.

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And And, you know, I think that, that

the Lord has those infants in heaven

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in some particular way, and that

someday they will be reunited and we

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just trust and hope in those things.

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But what we see here is really a

greater divide in the thinking, the

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ideologies of people and growing more

and more so because the ethics behind

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the choices and the reasoning, the fact

that people would start to say that.

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The sanctity of life is actually an

immoral issue because it places the

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dignity of human life above animal life.

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I mean, it just goes to show

how things can be made and to be

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the opposite of what they are.

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So we really want to appeal to our

listeners to know, to study their Bibles

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and to know what the Bible says, and that

we have the Biblical conviction to live

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under the authority of God's word, come

what may in this world, and to be careful

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not to get entangled in medical decisions

that may be contrary to those convictions.

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It's you know, it's all

upon us right now, I feel.

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Tom: Well, I think Betsy, What you

just said was excellent and there are

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a number of other issues that abortion

was basically the front end of the whole

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quality of life debate the whole sanctity

of life versus quality of life debate.

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I mean, we go from the beginning

of life with abortion and things

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like embryonic stem cell research.

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And the genetic things we're talking about

with IVF and prenatal testing go to the

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end of life with assisted suicide and

euthanasia, which, you know, around the

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world, especially in Europe, is a huge

problem, problem here to some extent.

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But not like over there.

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And so, you know, we have need to

think in terms, you know, of not only

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the preborn child, but others who

are vulnerable to having their lives

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threatened as a result of some viewpoints.

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That we would disagree with.

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And also Just because we're christian.

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We're not the only ones who are pro life.

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I mean there are atheists who are for life

there are people who wouldn't come at it

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from our perspective, but They look at it.

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They recognize what that child is in

the womb, and they come to decide.

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Yeah, good point.

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That, that person is worth protecting,

and it's wrong for me, even though

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I don't believe in God, or I don't

believe the Bible is my authority.

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I am going to be pro life.

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Betsy: You'd like them to develop

that a little further and say, well,

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where does this really originate at?

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Right.

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Might change their thinking.

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Tom: Right.

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But, you know, I think now I think we have

an opportunity as Christians, and as the

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church specifically in this day, that we

didn't have To some extent before Roe v.

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Wade was overturned.

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Because now, every state's gonna

decide what it, what abortion is in

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its, whether it's legal or illegal.

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How it's gonna be restricted.

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And since the Dobbs decision

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so that's about a year and a half.

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24 states now have laws that

restrict abortion at some point.

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18 of those restrict abortion or

ban abortion throughout pregnancy.

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And in these states, at least have an

exception for the life of the mother.

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If the life of the mother is

threatened, then the abortion

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is permitted in that case.

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Four of those states are being,

those laws are being challenged.

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one state's law is before

the Supreme Court now.

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It's going to hear oral arguments

on an Idaho case because Idaho's

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law prevents emergency abortions in

hospitals where, that receive Medicare.

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And Biden administration, the Department

of Justice, has challenged that, and the

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Supreme Court has agreed to rule on that.

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There are also, as a side note,

there's also another case, abortion

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related case, that the Supreme Court

is going to argue later this term.

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Its term normally ends, like,

in late June, but they argue

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cases through April, typically.

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And this one involves the abortion pill.

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Unfortunately, the abortion pill 53%.

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So a majority of abortions in this

country are now performed through.

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What they call, what proponents

call medical abortion.

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We would call it, I would call it chemical

abortion or just the abortion pill.

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It's a two step process.

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It's been around, it's been

actually legal, approved by

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the FDA in 2000, the year 2000.

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And you take one pill,

Mifepristone, a woman does.

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And it Causes the embryo to release

from the uterine wall and then a couple

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of days later you take another pill,

misoprostol, that causes the baby to

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be ejected from the womb and and so

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America were done through that method.

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As of 2000, I believe it is 53%.

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Are now done.

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And that's just increasing.

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And so that sets up a whole.

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A whole new problem for having pro

lifers reach those women in that case.

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Betsy: At some point people

won't be traveling or going

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to a doctor for an abortion.

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They will just be doing that.

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You know, we talked about some of

these states that have different

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laws because they're being mandated

particularly separately by the states now.

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And there are some states

that are much more open to it.

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And we Talked about Illinois being one

of these states, and I was traveling

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and driving across the bridge from St.

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Louis, Missouri to Illinois, and

I saw this billboard that said,

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Welcome to Illinois where you can

get a safe legal abortion, and I

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just about drove off the bridge.

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I mean, what a, what a welcome.

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What a welcome to your state.

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And it was a billboard put up by

some aldermen actually from St.

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Louis, they spent a 1.

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75 million to give this welcome message

to the people crossing the bridge.

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So as a result, what happens, all the

surrounding states that have stricter

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greater restrictions, more stringent

restrictions on abortion than Illinois.

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A ton of women, you probably know the

exact amount, are now going into Illinois

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and the same thing that happened.

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with New York in earlier days.

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Tom: Well, you're exactly right.

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I mean, we welcome all these states,

almost half of the states, that have

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acted to protect human life in the womb.

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But other states have you know, Really

become even more abortion promoting.

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California is notable.

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Its governor has been welcoming

and inviting women to come to

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their state to have an abortion.

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New York's continues to be a

destination state and, and the

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states up in northeast part of the

country don't have abortion bans.

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In Illinois is Unusual as opposed to New

York and California in that it, unlike

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those states, is surrounded, as you said.

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by states that ban abortion.

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All the states that touch Illinois

ban abortion, but they are,

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have become a destination state.

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Illinois has become a destination

state for women seeking abortions

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from other states that ban it.

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In fact I saw a statistic this past week

from the Illinois Department of Health

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and Planned Parenthood that showed that

in the first six months after Roe v.

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Wade was overturned, so we're talking

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17, 000 women from 40 states, not,

not just the neighboring states,

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but 40 different states traveled

to Illinois to have abortions.

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And, as you pointed out from

that billboard, you know, in St.

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Louis, the, you know, the Illinois's

that's being promoted in Illinois, and

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some doctors from other states have

gone there to set up abortion practices.

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And I really appreciated

what you said about women.

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I know women.

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who have had abortions and

God has graciously worked

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in their lives, saved them.

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They have grown as believers.

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They've experienced that

forgiveness and healing.

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And I just want to say amen to what you

said that there is hope in Jesus for the

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woman who's had an abortion, for the man

who pressured her to have an abortion.

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For even parents who pressured

their daughters to have an abortion.

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For the abortion workers.

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For the abortion doctors.

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There is salvation in Jesus.

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There's forgiveness.

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And We have the gospel and

that's what people need to hear.

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And so, you know, we have a

great opportunity as a church.

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And I would say the most important thing

we could do as Christians is really

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be engaged in the church, be active

members of their worshiping, learning,

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teaching, serving, ministering to others.

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In 2015, Lifeway Research did a survey

for Care Net, which was one of the

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larger largest Pregnancy Resource

Center networks in the country.

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And it showed that 36 percent

of women had attended church.

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At least once a month at the

time of their first abortion.

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So we don't know the kind of

pressure that women are experiencing

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who are in crisis pregnancies.

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There was a study by the Charlotte Loser

Institute, which is an arm of the Susan B.

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Anthony Pro Life America organization,

which is a leading pro life organization.

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Charlotte Loser Institute is a research

group, and they did a study just

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last May that showed that 80 cent.

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Eighty seven percent of women

said that who had had an abortion

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said they experienced some form of

interpersonal pressure to abort.

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And forty five percent of those

women reported they experienced

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high levels of pressure.

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And so you're right, women are in crisis

they're in need the church can meet

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some of those practical needs that women

have and some women would choose to do.

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To give birth, if they knew how to

solve some of the issues they have

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financially, childcare and in other areas.

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And so we really have the

opportunity to do that.

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Betsy: And I think we need to make the

point that we all are sinners and needed

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to fall in the mercy of the Lord and

repent of our sins, which we have to

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confess and repent of daily, regularly.

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And so they're certainly not

alone in their situation.

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And I just, you know, we definitely have

a heart for women who find themselves

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carrying so many burdens that the Lord

would not have them have to carry.

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That they can be Freed.

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They can be free in the Lord.

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So, wow, thank you so much.

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There's a couple extra

things we might mention.

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You know, when we talked about the

frozen embryos and maybe somebody

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didn't realize at the time what was

happening and now they feel this.

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They're faced with this ethical issue.

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I know one woman in one of my classes

who they had this situation, and

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between her and her husband, they

had the conviction that they needed

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to implant every single embryo.

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So, they had, I believe it was seven

more, and none of them took, but in

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their own consciences, ushered each

One into heaven and so that is how

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they resolved that and I think you know

That's gonna be a bigger and bigger

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problem and people make decisions perhaps

before they even know the Lord or know

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the ramifications Of what's coming up?

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So we want to be really

aware of these issues

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Tom: You're right.

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There are places that women

can go to, donate an embryo

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or even go to for adoption.

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One of those is in Knoxville,

Tennessee, the Embryo Donation Center.

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But I think, you know, in addition

to really being involved in our

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church and ministering to people

there and serving people there.

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There are things churches and individual

Christians and families can do as well.

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Certainly supporting or serving at a

pregnancy resource center is really an

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important part of pro life ministry.

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There are more than 2, 700 of these

centers around the country and

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they're really on the front lines.

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You know, and women who walk

in there are really in need and

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they're meeting those needs.

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They're providing practical needs.

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They're not only doing pregnancy tests

and doing ultrasound imaging for them

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of their unborn child, which is vital,

but they're doing all kinds of training

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and providing material needs as well.

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And one way We can do that financially

is to actually give to place

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ultrasound machines in these centers.

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I worked for years for the Ethics and

Religious Liberty Commission and the

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ERLC has what's called the Psalm 139

Project and all the gifts that are

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given to it go just to provide for

these machines and the training of the

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People at those centers to use them.

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And adoption or fostering is a vital pro

life and it is a vital need indeed, and

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if we can't do that, we certainly can help

and support people who are doing that.

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And we probably all know people.

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In our churches who are doing that.

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And of course, seeking to be

citizens who seek to affect like

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state legislation on these issues

and to elect pro life candidates.

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And, because the dignity of life and

sanctity of human life is more than just

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the abortion issue, you know, there may

be other ministries that people are drawn

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to, your listeners are drawn to, whether

it's helping trafficking victims or

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refugees, you know, any number of people.

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Needing, with, who are vulnerable.

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You know, there are organizations

out there that are looking for

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people to come alongside of them.

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And so, and of course, you know,

I'm saying this at the end, but it,

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you know, prayer is so vital and

and so we should pray and ask for

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God's gracious and powerful work,

and we should spread the gospel.

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Yes.

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Make disciples.

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Betsy: Amen to that.

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Well, Tom, I want to thank you so

much for being a part of this and

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informing our listeners and me.

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I mean, I learned so much

from what you were saying.

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And I think it's really important

that we, you know, be up to date on

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really what's happening in our world.

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Also be really thinking

about terms that are used.

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And is this term really an action?

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A good, genuine reflection of

what it's trying to portray.

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And there's lots of times

rhetoric that's used to sort of

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confuse people just in the whole.

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Idea of pro choice.

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Well, it's my choice.

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Well, is it your choice?

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And how does the Lord look at that?

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So to really be looking at

things like that, but we see

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the great divide in ideology.

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There's a great delusion over our country

and even over the world on what things.

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What is real and what is true, what is

genuine and, you know, what is biblical.

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And that's just completely thrown out of

the equation in so many circumstances.

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So I, I I really thank you

for that, for bringing us up

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to date on what is the truth.

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And I pray that this is helpful.

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Really helpful to our listeners.

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Thank you so much.

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Tom: Well, thank you, Betsy.

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I wanted to say, I really appreciate

your ministry and what you're doing.

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Mothers are so vital to the church,

to our society, to our world.

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And it's a challenging role but

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Before you go, I want to pray

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from 2 Thessalonians 1, 11 12.

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We're rooting for you.

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To this end, we always pray for you,

that our God may make you worthy of His

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calling, and may fulfill every resolve

for good, and every work of faith by

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His power, so that the name of our Lord

Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in

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Him, according to the grace of our God.

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And the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Amen.

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Until we meet again.