Join host Anthony Weaver as he sits down with Charly Stoever, a non-binary Latinx money coach and host of the Unicorn Millionaire Podcast, to discuss the journey from financial struggle to empowerment. Charly shares their personal story of navigating financial independence as a queer and trans individual, highlighting the importance of financial literacy and community support. From working as a stockbroker to becoming a successful money coach, Charly offers insights into breaking free from the 9 to 5 grind and building a business that aligns with personal values.

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• The challenges and triumphs of achieving financial independence as a queer and trans person.
• Charly's journey from a stockbroker to a money coach and podcaster.
• The importance of community and networking at events like FinCon.
• Strategies for using investments to support life goals and entrepreneurship.
• How to start a side hustle and transition to full-time self-employment.
• The significance of self-care and outsourcing tasks to focus on what truly matters.

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Episode 275

So I'm trans and I'm queer, and I'm actually

estranged from my family, which is another

reason why I am so gung ho about

being financially independent, because I don't have anybody

to really fall back on. Like, my

dad left when I was 14, and he went back to

Mexico, and I honestly don't know if he's alive or dead,

which is something that's very painful for me to talk about and

admit. Even though he was pretty emotionally abusive and

narcissistic, it still sucks to be like, I don't

know what happened to my dad, but I know that some of your listeners

can probably relate to this too. And I haven't seen

my mom in eight years. Uh, so

I. It's like, I don't have to worry about

my parents now, even though I will probably swoop in

if I find out my dad's alive and needs help.

Welcome everybody back to another exciting show, the

about that Wallet podcast, where we help you build strong

financial habits so that you can have the

confidence on spending money, talking about money,

and enjoying your money. And I have

the awesome opportunity to bring on somebody that I met at

fincon. And if you guys ever heard of

fincon, it is a financial conference

that happens every year. But this

person actually brought in so much joy, and I was

excited to bring them on because they had so much excitement

recording their own episode. F and Con.

And what's going on, Charlie?

Hi, Anthony. Thank you so much for having me and

for manning the podcast booth. I'm super happy that

you got to watch me pop Ms. Chica's cherry.

It was her first podcast interview, and I love how you came up to us,

and you were like, you be on my podcast since

Charlie's popped your cherry. I was like, okay, you can pop my

cherry, too. I need to be on about that wallet. Ah, now. So we're all just

popping each other's cherries.

I know, right? It's a lot of popping going on over

here.

So one of the things that, uh, you know,

I was doing some research and learning a lot about your story, because

I didn't know who you were. I was like, okay, well, somebody's over

here ready to record. And that's

one thing I love about going to different conferences, that you

get to meet so many different people, so many different walks of life

and where they come from and, like, their journeys and

finance, you know?

M. So, yeah, like, I would never have met you if it weren't

for Fin Con. So it was really nice meeting so many people there

and kind of meeting other people who were like my Internet friends.

Um, and, and yeah, and just connecting in

person with people because it can be really isolating. I've been running my

own money coaching business for four years now,

so it just, it doesn't, it's not the same. You have to

meet people in person. I think fincon was a total reminder

of that.

Yeah. And they always say like, the sense of

community is something that we

have to do as content creators to really make

it out there. And I'm not sure if I

totally agree, but I do think you do need

your tribe for like folks. They just kind

of do this thing the right way.

Yeah. It's not necessary, but it sure helps me not

feel so burnt out as an ambivert.

I like recharging at night by myself.

But I realized after fincon that I am a lot more

extroverted than I thought I would be. So after

fincon, I wasted no time like booking a we

work to just have a co working space where I could work on my own

shit myself. But, uh, around people.

So yeah, it's not necessary. But depending on your personality type

or how you get to get energy from people, do you

get it but then need to recharge like me? I think for me personally it

is a necessity for me to go to more conferences and be around

other creatives and business owners in person.

Yeah. So what's the next one you go into?

I know that travelcon is going to be in Tucson

in uh, believe March

of 2025. And I'm excited

for that because I'm Traveler Charlie. Right. And my

podcast is called Unicorn Millionaire and

it's heavy on personal finance. But I've also traveled

solo, uh, to 34 countries all over the world while

running my business from as far away as Thailand.

I was in Mexico for seven months and

so I'm excited to go. Uh, just see how

like my, my influencer ness, even though I'm a micro

influencer, I have m less than 10k followers. But I love them. Um, they're

loyal af and honestly, I don't need to go

viral like my nook of the

Internet because I don't know, this election I was not hitting that block button

at all. I was like, these are my people. If anything I gain followers.

But I'm excited to meet more travel creatives as well too in

Arizona. And there must be money coaches and money nerds out

there. Of course, of course.

Yeah. Because one of the things that I, uh,

love about your story is that you Didn't.

It's not like you didn't take. No, you've more.

More than likely took over. How come?

And more of a why? And like, your.

Your story is so curious of, you know,

just how does money work? And I remember

you're saying in one of your interviews

in the past, you were talking about how you

actually used to be a. If I'm

not mistaken, was it a

stockbroker? Yes, a stockbroker. I didn't.

I want to say, like, finance, white men words. Yeah, that was the

one. It was not Wolf of Wall street, y'all. I worked in

a call center in Indianapolis sitting my ass on the phone,

helping people reset their passwords and learning about stocks.

So, yeah, so talk about.

I was making 45k. I was not rolling in it,

but I felt like it. After doing the Peace Corps and making

30k as a teacher, I was like, oh, I'm gonna buy a sports

car. I did not. I was

just making 45k. I was like.

But it started, ah, I love the humble story

is because a lot of people always

feel bad about getting paid a little

bit, but in the industry that they want to get

into, and I don't think you actually really wanted to get into finance, was

it, at that time?

No, I wanted to teach social studies in high school.

I was a history nerd. I loved learning about

social studies. And I learned quickly

in my 20s that no one wants to hire social studies teachers. Everybody

just wants STEM and math and science to be,

like, productive members of society. And I spent my

20s doing the Peace Corps, AmeriCorps, all the core,

Being overworked and exploited on food stamps, on

Medicaid. And so by the time I was in my

late 20s, I was like, this is not sustainable. I can't

be dog sitting and blogging and side hustling,

uh, all the time. And that's what made me pivot

into personal finance. I didn't even get a

real 401k with a solid match until I

was 29, because I just did not want future me

to work so much about money. And I'm so happy I did that.

Which led me to become a money coach. Once I felt

that relief of, okay, I don't need to worry about my future self.

They're good, which is why I do what I do every day.

Yeah. So how is that breaking out into your own,

you know, because a lot of people are wondering about

their current jobs and trying to take that break

from, you know, that 9 to 5 and really go

full time all in, into that passion.

I would say start your side hustle

while you have your job. I like to

see your job as your sugar daddy. In the

meantime, before you peace on out, like, don't just quit

your job and start a business. You have to

start your business problem solve, uh, see what kind

of problem you offer that people want to pay you

to solve. And once you get that consistent income,

then quit. And uh, now I'm saying do as I

say, not as I do. I didn't.

I like the disclaimer there.

Yeah, so don't come after

me. But in

2020, I quit my job

when Covid, uh, was in full effect

in August because I was ecstatic for the stock

market to crash when Covid hit. Even though I was only making

45k. I probably had like a

50k net worth to my name, but I was like

salivating that the stock market was crashing because stocks are on

sale. And I was like, this is fucked up that I'm

excited. I'm not even making that much money. And

so I finally knew what I wanted to write my

master's degree essay on because I kind of was like, well, I should

get a master's because this 45k crap is

not like paying the bills and stacking my

401k that much. So I got a full ride to an

MBA from Brandeis and then

I quit my job and I moved to Mexico,

which has a much lower cost of living. And I'm a dual

citizen. I was born in Mexico, I was undocumented, did not

become a US citizen until I was 21. And

so I used my stocks, my savings

to help me make that confident decision.

And having an apartment that was 400 bucks a month, like a

five minute walk from the beach, definitely helped me not

stress out so much about money, which is

how I was able to start my business. By the

time I ended up having my MBA a year and a half later, I

was like, I'm just going to keep working for myself this whole

time because I never fit in at the 9 to 5.

That is amazing from

just using your stocks. Like, who would have thought to use your

investments now? Because right now a lot of people

keep thinking like, hey, you should stock your

money away until you're retired. Uh, instead

of looking at it like, hey, you can actually utilize it while

you're alive and

well and still young enough to

enjoy it, to travel. Because I know you've seen the

memes where it's like too old couple. That's like,

oh, we finally able to Retire and

we can't even do anything right.

We fall asleep, right?

Yeah.

How was that?

I love breaking people's brains about that. I didn't

know that you could just like, sell stock without paying a

penalty to fund your life. But because I worked as a

stockbroker and I saw how many casual millionaires are

in this country, and I saw how mostly the

middle class or wealthy white people were moving their money

around for just daily expenses. They would

call us and be like, I have to drop 20 GS

on a down payment. Let me sell some stock in my brokerage

account. They knew exactly what to do and from which

account. They were not liquidating their 401ks. They were not

touching their retirement accounts. They were touching the taxable

brokerage accounts that are basically like high yield savings

accounts on steroids where the gains are

a lot higher. But also, if you're not

careful, the dips can be a lot more dramatic.

So you can't just like go in any day and expect

to liquidate. You have to watch what the stock market's

doing. But that's a pattern that I noticed these rich people

do. They were using these accounts to grow their

money way more than they would in a high yield savings

account. Because the high yield savings account, you're just not losing

money as quickly to inflation. That shit's not growing your money even if

you're making thousands of dollars in interest in a month. And

so that's something that, that I did

again, as somebody who never made more than 45k, I stacked

my brokerage account so that when I realized

my master's degree was not helping me start my business at all. The

master's degree just helps you become, uh, a toy in the

system even better. And use fancy words to get the job. It

does not teach you the skills for entrepreneurship. So I hired

my business coach, Kat Del Carmen, a Latina business coach.

And she at the time was only charging $3,000 for

three months of coaching. And I was like, I'm not going to take out my

emergency fund for this. So I, uh, sold $3,000 of

Tesla stock because I hated Elon Musk. Anyway, while I was

chilling on the beach at like 6pm and after hours

trading, and I just moved money around and paid

her. And then the next month I doubled my investment and made

$7,500 in revenue through my

money coaching business with very minimal

expenses as an online business owner. I didn't have employees.

I have to pay for a building or anything. So

that's like. And uh, my clients,

I love showing them how little cash I have. I have

$0 in my checking account. You have no business

storing cash in your checking account with this crappy interest rate, even

an ally. And I have like 2k in cash at a

time. And my clients just like, uh, who have like

hundreds of thousands or tens of thousands in cash. And I show

them I only have like 2k in cash at a time because of all the

other levers I know where to pull from. It's

really enlightening for them to see how,

how differently people manage their finances. As long as you

understand why you're doing it and like your reasons.

Yeah. So what is it something that somebody can

do now that are listening and they got, uh, super excited about your

story to say, like, hey, where can I start as far

as investing? What should they do?

Listen to, uh, this podcast, Listen

to my podcast. Don't go on Reddit,

don't just listen to random ass people on TikTok, because they're just going to

tell you what you need to hear, what you want to hear, not what you

need to hear. Right. And

even for the month of November, I'm offering one off calls, which

I don't usually do. If you want to do those

annoying things that you know you need to get done, like break up with

Wells Fargo and their crappy interest rates or dump

bank of America and leave that toxic relationship and

open a high yield savings account. It's

urgent now more than ever to be on top of your finances

before the new year even starts. So that's why I'm doing,

I call them, um, November money makeover calls

for just 75 minutes. I can give you a

Queer Eye makeover on your finances

too. And if you like what I do, you can use

that credit to add that to my

six month money coaching program. Because I usually work with folks for

only six months at a time, minimum. Some of my clients have been

working with me for over a year because there's always more and

more to build off. So that's my advice. Stop trying to do

it yourself and find the free tips and the hacks.

There's so much conflicting information out there from people that don't know

what they're doing or who might not relate to your

experience either. And like hire

a coach or pay somebody to hold your hand through

it for that accountability. So you make sure you actually get

these things done because money can be scary and it's nice to have

somebody walk you through it.

Yeah. And especially if they have that, like you Said that same background,

that experience because. Or at least

can relate to something. Because there's a

huge disconnect if you can't even speak the same language.

Yeah, yeah.

And because, you know, my target audience

is the sandwich generation, so they have kids and also

they're taking care of their parents as well. So

what is it, um, something that you've been

doing to kind of prepare

yourself to deal with your parents as they get

older?

So I'm. I'm trans and I'm queer and I'm actually

estranged from my family, which is another

reason why I am so gung ho about

being financially independent, because I don't have anybody

to really fall back on. Like, my

dad left when I was 14 and he went back to

Mexico. And I honestly don't know if he's alive or dead,

which is something that's very painful for me to talk about and

admit. Even though he was pretty emotionally abusive and narcissistic,

uh, it still sucks to be like, I don't know

what happened to my dad. But I know that some of your listeners can

probably relate to this too. And I haven't seen my

mom in eight years. Um, so

I. It's like I don't have to worry about

my parents now. Even though I will probably swoop in

if I find out my dad's alive and needs help. I don't know.

Or if he, um, isn't alive. I don't

know either. So I know that regardless

of if they need my help, I'm setting myself up

first and making sure I'm good and not just

living in emergency mode than the scarcity mode

anymore. So regardless of if I know I'm going to have to

take care of somebody or not, I have to take care of myself

first. And I also don't have kids

because honestly, I'm still reparenting myself

and, like, healing my own

traumas and finding out who I am.

At 34, I feel like my life is still barely beginning

because I have the money to allow me to dive

into more fulfilling things instead of just living in

survival mode. I'm able to be like, okay, who am I

really? I'm an artist too. I love to paint and draw. If money

weren't a thing, I would be out in the woods in a cabin,

painting the trees with, like,

goats and chickens and shit, but also close enough to go to

the gay club and Zumba class to twerk my ass

off.

So, um, I think regardless of your situation, you

got to take care of yourself first. And especially if you have parents

and kids and all these people that you got to take care of. You have to

prioritize yourself so you're not burnt out and

just grasping

because that really will affect your loved ones too.

Yeah. And that's one of the things that I notice a

lot of financial, as

you can say, um, not influencers,

but people who are providing the information. They don't

put into consideration of the people who don't have

a legacy to leave on. Besides, like, you know, for

me, like, I'm not going to have any children either.

And one of the things is that from

my piece, this is my Baby, the

podcast, this is my gift to the world. It's like,

hey, if this is my journey, these are the people

that I've met and had awesome opportunities, um,

to kind of have this great conversation with,

but that's it. Like financially, I'm, uh, like

this. For me, you can take what

you want because, you know, we only live

once and let's enjoy it.

But yeah, and I know some people leave their money to their pets

too. You can leave your money to a, uh, foundation or a

nonprofit that you care about as well. Or if you're

like queer like me and have chosen family,

your beneficiaries, people you leave your money to does not have to

be blood related as well too. So there's lots

of options to leave a legacy. It just doesn't always have to

be your kids.

I, um, like that. Yes. That is so true.

Thank you for bringing that on.

Of course.

So for you, we're gonna slide on over to

the third segment here, which is the

futures. What skills or habits do

you feel is going to take you to that next level?

Me personally?

Yeah.

Uh, oh my God. I just thought of fincon and

how I absolutely crushed it

with all my skills that I've learned as

a business owner. You have to market yourself.

You have to hype yourself up. You have to talk about

yourself because you're not Pepsi with a billion dollar

marketing team reminding people to get

in on this. You have to celebrate

yourself and constantly introduce yourself.

And as a business owner, that's something that has been ingrained in me.

Whenever I hop on my Instagram at Traveler,

Charlie with a Y come to work along with me.

I start every single live, even some of my stories.

I assume that there's constantly new people

jumping into my radar and I'm always like, I'm

Charlie. I'm a non binary Latinx money coach helping

LGBT bipoc. And I took those

skills of introducing and marketing and Branding myself with my

bright ass outfits and bright colors to fin

con where even people would just come up to me every day and be like,

I love what you're wearing. I have loved watching what you're wearing

every single day. Or they've been like, I love how you

introduce yourself when every time you grab the mic to ask a

question, you introduce yourself. I'm watching, I'm taking

notes. And I think that that has been a skill that

I've developed. And something that I want to work on this year is getting

booked and paid to speak. Um, and do

more. Yes. Public speaking engagements.

And I actually, I'm coordinating with the local library in

Seattle. Um, in the Seattle area, they're

paying me 300 bucks to do a class that I proposed

with just over email. We didn't have like a fancy meeting or anything.

I was just like, I want to teach people about how to financially

prep to buy a home. And they're like, okay,

cool. How much you charge? And I was like, I charge way more than this for the

corporations, but for the libraries. I love

libraries. Like, I charge. I charge $5,000

for a one minute reel for the corporations, but for the libraries,

Like, I love libraries. So yeah, pay me 300 bucks. That's

fine. It's like the price of my

one hour money makeover call. It's fine because I'm trying to

get into the practice of public speaking and I'm looking

into hiring a videographer who will film me

so I can make my speaker real and actually start pitching myself.

Because if I don't have the real to show that I speak,

how can I pitch myself too? So that's something that I'm excited

to currently be working on in 2025. Getting

booked and paid to

speak.

There we go. I love that. And

you're very, uh, I guess you could say not

just throwing it out there, but you throwing it out there with

a little bit more detail of just like, yeah, I want to speak,

but I want to get paid too.

I did that last year and it did not work out. Like, you have to make

actions like manifestations cool, but

you got to like, take action.

Yes. Uh, one of your catchphrases I

thought was actually pretty cool, which was make

money. Your your

bitch. Yeah, there we go.

I can catch on this podcast, right? You're like, yeah, I

don't catch, but you can. I was like, okay, cool.

Because, like, I want to, uh, do a deeper dive

into that just before we go to the final four. Because

what is the whole purpose of that particular phrase,

where did that come from?

Because I saw so many people when I was starting my business,

when Covid was hitting, people were afraid to talk about money,

but there was still such collective grief and

fear, especially seeing people

wipe out years of savings from their

401ks and selling out of the wrong accounts and

just pulling everything out of the stock market when they saw

red because they didn't understand what was going on, when in

reality, they could have just held for a month or two

and their money would have doubled. And there

was a lot of pain and grief and fear talking about money. Especially

in the queer community. Us queers, we love

being anti, uh, capitalist. But you also

got to be realist. And I think that that's a big pain point

for a lot of queer folks. We're queer. We do things

differently. And we don't like

hoarding wealth. We don't like the idea of billionaires. But,

like, we also, like I keep saying, especially if you're strange from

family, like me, as a trans person, you got to take care of

yourself. And to do that, you need money. And so that's why

I coined that term of let's make money your

instead of the other way around. Because that was the vibe that

I was getting for a lot of people in my community.

Like, let's talk about it. Get that whip out. We

can dominate your money and be happy to watch your

net worth grow.

Yeah. Um, because when you say dominate your money, I thought of,

like, fin dumps, and I was like, oh, uh, that's nice.

Yes. Mask

doms. Non binary doms. Uh, we love it.

I want. I need a fem dom in my life because I'm tired of telling everybody what

to do. So, um, I'm single if you're in the Seattle

area or where are you? Are

you? Where are you?

This is Maryland. M. But I do have a lot of people that listen

across the United States.

Okay, good. I love D.C. as well, so

I don't want to do long distance. I have 10 years of that as

a digital nomad. No,

maybe you're Maryland. I have a hot twin in Seattle. Like,

hit me up.

I mean, hey, I mean, whoever's

listening, they might be able to travel. Like, you know what? I like to

travel, too. I'm just here, Maryland, for a hot second, you

know.

Come on out. I'll show you all the green

spaces in Seattle. Be a good

time.

You're killing me.

Coming to my wedding. Just saying,

if you find somebody for me.

Okay, I got you.

All right, you ready? For the final four questions?

Yes.

All right,

number one, what does wealth mean

to you?

Wealth means options

and self care. Especially with the

selection just this week, the fact that I

help people build wealth and make money. There, bitch. I

realize my work is more important than ever. Just this

week, I've gotten five massages because

I've been so stressed out and I would not have been able to do that

if I didn't have money, if I didn't know where to

pull the money from, uh, and make that work and

take care of myself so that I can keep showing up for my

community. And yeah, money has allowed

me to also cook way less. That was a big takeaway from Fin

con when, uh, I talked to Rachel Rogers,

who was one of the keynote speakers. She's like, y'all need to

outsource more because you're doing these basic tasks like the

laundry and cleaning when you should really be showing up on

podcasts. And, uh, I told her when I got

coached, I was like, I feel like I should cook because I don't have kids.

I don't have a family to take care of. I have all this time, but I'm still drained cooking.

And she's like, outsourced. And so I bought more pre

made meals this week than I ever have in my life. And I have seen

the difference, um, not having to

spend so much time cooking and just getting

back to business, but also resting like clockwork after a long

day. I'm like, all right, time to go get a massage. I'm not

thinking about it as much because especially as a single person, you

got to make all the decisions. I don't have kids and stuff, but

I also don't have a partner that can, like, cook me dinner or tag

team with too. So as a single person,

money helps me make, um, less

decisions. I can rest and be in my zone of genius.

So I love wealth building.

Love it. Number two, what was your

worst money mistake?

Buying so many shares of Sorrento

Therapeutics, which was popping in

2020 when all the bros were were

buying it. When I was a stock broker, I was like, what is the

Sorento? Okay, it sounds like pasta,

but I was day trading it too, and I made

a few hundred bucks here and there was cute, but then I held

onto it for way too long, thinking it was going to help me

make money forever. And, um, it went

bankrupt. And I've lost, like, thousands of

dollars. Last year, just alone, I made a

$5,000 stock sale where I lost

that money because I got greedy and held Onto it for

way too long and I had no business investing in it. So

even as a stockbroker, you can make mistakes. Which is why I

share my mistakes and losses with my clients

too. Sometimes you got to pay the cost of market tuition,

but now I know to buy low cost index funds.

Maybe some Apple companies I've

actually used and heard of instead of

Sorrento and move on and mind

my own business and spend my time money coaching and

doing something more fulfilling.

So.

So it's okay to make mistakes.

Love it. Number three,

what book got you back into reading?

What book got me back into reading?

Um,

there. It has nothing to do with money

because when I read books, I try not to read too many books about money

because that's like my world all day I'm in it. And

so I'm more of like a very creative person. And I just

read a book called World of Wonders.

I like reading about nature too. My inner child

loves nature. As a kid I used to go out in the

fields and like hunt ladybugs and draw them.

And um, that was a book that really. It's a

good storytelling book where she'll come up with like

an animal or a plant and tie it back to her childhood and how it was

significant for her. And I feel like that's something

that I could see myself doing. And I love the

COVID art too. So that book's helped me get

back into reading.

Love it. Number four,

what is your favorite dish to make?

I'm like, overcooking now that

I've been going to Trader Joe's and buying all these pre made

meals. I know how to cook, but I don't want

to. So I think I'm more of, um,

yesterday I made some cauliflower

gnocchi with some, um,

kale and pasta.

Um, yeah, pasta is easy to

make. I don't know why I keep thinking of enchiladas.

I never fucking make enchiladas. I think in theory I would

love to make enchiladas

because it sounds easy. We'll just go with

that.

Like drizzling salsa with some tortillas shells. Yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah.

Stick it in the oven, let it cook itself.

Uh, the last question of the show, which is where

could people find out more about you?

Yeah, come find me at, uh, Traveler. Charlie

with a Y. I'm mostly on Instagram. I

repurpose myself and put it on TikTok too. But find me on

Instagram and also have a

mailing list and a mailing list series called

Roth Freak Fridays, where every

Friday I drop money gems about

retirement accounts, particular Roth 401ks

Roth IRAs. And I have a blog called

Unicorn Millionaire. And last but not least, my

podcast is called the Unicorn Millionaire

Podcast. And I just celebrating releasing

103 episodes and 5k

downloads. It's just. Thank you about half as much

as you, but like, most people don't make it past six

episodes, y'all gotta celebrate these

wins. Um, shout out to Anthony for having over 200

episodes released. That's a huge fucking deal.

Thank you. All right, well, I

mean, it's been a pleasure. I would love to have you on

to kind of find out more about your adventures and so

forth. And guys, if you guys are listening to this and just

want to have, um, have them

on again, let's go on and make this happen.

Because, yes, learn more about this

investment investing side of the house as well

as quitting a 9 to 5. This is something

that a lot of people would like to do. And if that's

you, let's talk about it.

Yeah.

So, Charlie,

it's been a pleasure. I can't wait to catch

up with you again. And thank you so much for coming on the

show and everybody, thank you so much. We

out. Peace.

Peace.

This is so much fun.