Join host Erika Audrey, along with special guest Christopher Macksey, the creative mind behind Topher Mack Floral + Events. In this lively episode, they unravel the secrets of performing under the spotlight at high-stakes events. Chris shares his industry insights and, of course, a few good laughs with some entertaining and embarrassing stories. It's a delightful blend of grace under pressure, mindfulness, and the lighter side of life.

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Welcome to Over club everybody.

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Yeah.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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Hi, how are you?

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I'm doing fabulously.

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How are you?

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I am also doing fabulously.

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. Kelly, do you remember on our landscape

architecture and ghost episode,

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how you got so spooked out and you

distracted yourself from the ghosties

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by saying I really like flowers.

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I, yes, I do remember that.

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I am sure everyone remembers that.

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Yeah.

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One moment.

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Your is such a cute moment.

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It's such a good little

LA , moment of levity.

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, but today's guest is.

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A floral designer and guru.

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So I feel like, ah, thank God.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, this is meant.

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This has meant for you.

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I do really like flowers.

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I love flowers and glad.

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I do not like us.

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So.

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You've heard it here first, everybody I'm

excited for just flowers and no ghost.

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Just flowers, no ghost.

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I mean, who knows where this

conversation will end up, but.

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It couldn't be anywhere

near, as spooky as that one.

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Erika: So Chris Maxey is our guest today.

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He's Greg's partner from episode to you.

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And he's an amazing event designer

and florist and human being.

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And today we're going

to chat with him about.

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All things.

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Christopher maxi.

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So very excited to share

him with you, Kelly, and

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Kelly: for everyone listening.

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Oh, I can't wait.

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I'm so glad

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, all right, everyone at the

man of the hour is here.

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I'm so excited to welcome Chris

maxi to Clover club bump up.

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Thank you for having me.

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Thank you so much for coming.

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I'm so excited to have you here as am I.

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I'll be here, so I can't wait.

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Um, I'll be honest.

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I'm a little nervous, but I'm ready.

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I'm ready.

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Oh, So don't be nervous.

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Yeah.

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Didn't Greg tell you, this is like

the most fun hour of your life he did.

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He did, but you know, his life experience

is a little different than mine.

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That's why we couldn't

wait to get you on here.

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Yeah.

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Greg's better half.

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Exactly.

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I love it.

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, so Chris, okay.

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I, in our intro described you as a

amazing event designer and floral.

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Genius.

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How do you describe yourself

exactly the same way.

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No, not at all.

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I know I'm just a guy that just

enjoys trying new things and trying

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to gain a, create new combinations.

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And yes, that my medium is

floral design or event design.

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but yeah, I don't, I don't.

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Often, except those words as who I am.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Even though I I'm like, okay.

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Yeah, I've been doing this a while.

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So I have.

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, Since 1996.

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So what has however many years is that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Kelly.

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How old were you in 1996.

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Negative two.

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Whoa, whoa.

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I asked that without my

brain filling in the answer.

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I am 25.

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So yeah, the joke was that she

was 12 twice, but now I am.

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12 plus 12 plus one.

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That's awesome.

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Thank you so much.

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so Chris.

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If you don't mind, I would love to

kick off your episode with a story you

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shared with me a couple of years ago.

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But I have gotten so much steam

off of cause it's so fucking funny.

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, will you share the story of your

most embarrassing client exchange?

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Okay.

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I'm glad you prepped me for this.

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Cause I had a moment to kind

of relive it already again.

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Be okay with it.

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Oh, no, it was one of those

moments, so, oh my God.

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No.

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I was, you know, in my twenties,

young man working in New York and,

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, worked for a firm that did a lot of

floral designs for people's homes.

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, particularly, you know, the park avenue

crowd, and you know, so we're dealing with

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kind of, you know, high level executives.

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And this happened to be

a very prominent one.

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, and so we, it was, uh, you

know, Uh, Japanese family that

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we were serving at the time.

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So, and.

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I would come and go from

their home all the time.

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And they left little slippers on the

back in the back service corridor.

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And more often than not.

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They didn't fit me.

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So.

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, so I would, I'll do my best with it.

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Of course.

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But yeah.

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It was a challenge.

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I had to think about multiple things

at once, which really isn't my jam.

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So I had to kind of concentrate on walking

and holding, you know, $2,000 crystal

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bowl, full of orchids, you know, so, wow.

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So one day, , This sales man

that worked for the company

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that I was at was also Japanese.

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And, , So it was.

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This, our sales man, and then the

client and his wife, they were all just

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standing there watching me do my thing.

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And so at one moment, so as I'm

passing in front of them, I slipped.

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, I didn't drop the orchid,

but I did expel gas.

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Very loudly.

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Um, yeah.

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I

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mean to say they didn't ask me back.

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Oh, there was another designer.

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Assigned to that home.

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What did you say?

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Oops.

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kinda like, huh?

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No, it happens.

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It was very embarrassing.

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Oh, my.

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I am obsessed with the image of

Chris in his little slippers with

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like a Cardiay bowl, just lunging

to catch this arrangement.

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And saving the day.

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And ruin a good at the same time.

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Oh, my gosh.

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They were like, that'll be all.

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Yeah,

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it's so funny.

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When you say I did.

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Yes, absolutely.

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What like what happened when

you went home that night or.

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Just like, oh my God.

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I probably drank heavily.

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I'm a little funny, right?

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So my.

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We're living.

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It is.

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Yeah, definitely.

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It's not resolved at all.

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A little glow to him right now.

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Oh, my God.

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Well, don't, don't feel bad because I was

just talking to Erica about my honeymoon

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and how I had diarrhea the whole time.

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I love about talking about it

is the best therapy really.

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Yeah.

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Cause everybody listening right now,

their mind is immediately going to their

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most embarrassing equivalent to the

story because we all have at least one.

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Chris, thank you for your vulnerability.

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Yeah, that's.

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The best story I've maybe ever heard.

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I love it.

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I love it.

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And so sweet.

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I know.

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So innocent.

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Oops.

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Um, I kind of want to piggyback

on that, so Chris, in.

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Event design.

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You do mostly weddings, but like any

big event you're willing to, correct?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Do you know, like this afternoon,

I was just had a meeting for

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a, a large birthday party.

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And do all types of in

corporate events, ran into a

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corporate client this afternoon.

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, so yeah, so we'll do anything.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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And part of that is.

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Executing a really important day

for somebody that's kind of high

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stakes and knowing maybe things are

going to go wrong and then going

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with the flow and making it work.

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How do you navigate that?

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At such a high level all the time.

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Right.

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So people that have worked

alongside me just temporarily.

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Have constant.

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How do you do this?

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How do any of you.

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Doing this.

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And I think that there's

definitely a type of person.

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That stays in this for any length of time.

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Yeah.

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There's many people that pass through, but

I think that's number one, pass through.

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Pastor they're like, yeah, yeah.

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This isn't for me.

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Yeah.

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And it really it's, there's so many

rewards, but there's a lot of pressure.

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There's time constraints.

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There's logistics.

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Logistic challenges.

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Um, you know, while you're not you're.

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Basically, I always try to give people,

imagine moving in and out of your

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home all within eight hours, getting

everything set up, we're looking.

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Beautiful.

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And then taking it all away.

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Your house is.

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You know, 20,000 square feet.

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You know what I mean?

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So that's generally what we're

doing with the larger event.

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Yeah.

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And usually like today where.

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At this meeting trying to angle to get,

Hey, I, can I get a couple more hours

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to load out and can I do this and that,

you know, trying to just negotiate.

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Better terms.

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Yeah.

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, And, you know, sometimes we get it.

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Sometimes we don't.

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Wow.

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, but that's, that's really.

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You know, so.

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The key is preparing for what you

can like making sure everything

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that you have control over is tight.

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And then you've got room for

all this stuff that you can't

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predict or can't plan for.

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, to go wrong.

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You know, I see a pretty solid

metaphor between that and life.

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Plan for the best expect.

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Things that aren't the best.

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Yeah.

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Just make it work.

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Yeah.

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What is the craziest thing that has

happened at an event where you're like,

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oh fuck, , how do I circumnavigate this?

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Right.

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Okay.

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So there was a instance and sometimes

I just think there are greater forces

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at work that I just don't know.

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I believe in that.

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Yeah.

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So, but there was an incident.

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This was a couple of years ago.

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And someone that I know work closely

with, and I'm just, she's very dear to me,

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we've worked together for over 20 years.

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Uh, you know, she was nearly killed by a

feature that we had in, in the ceiling.

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and swung and shit.

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She hadn't seen it coming

and jumped out of the way.

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She would have been severely

injured if not worse.

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What was the fixture of?

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No, it was a giant ring of flowers.

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It was on the ceiling.

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Wow.

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I want to die.

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So romantic.

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Oh, my God.

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Honestly.

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Cool.

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What does stories.

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I'm bringing a flowers.

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Wow.

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My gosh.

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So, so, but the thing is, is

that this thing was rigged.

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So, so intensely, right.

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And there were people that said.

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Oh, the person that was working

on it at the time was not.

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Um, handling it correctly or putting undue

pressure at certain points started off.

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To me.

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I was like, I, I was there

when it was rigged and I saw

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how, how I over rigged it.

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I was like, this is too much

for what we're doing here.

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Wow.

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And so anyway, so I just.

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Anyway, I'm not going to go too deep

with that, but it was just interesting.

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Something like that would happen.

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And, you know, honestly,

I thought it was a.

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It could be career ending.

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You know what I mean?

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Anything that you ever do

put somebody in harm's way.

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So we always go to amazing

lengths to ensure that that's not.

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Yeah.

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I'm sure.

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You're like quadruple

checking at this point.

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Especially after that.

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That's so crazy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it's uh, yeah.

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So is she still alive?

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She is.

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Yes.

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Well, I know, but I wasn't

sure if that was like a final

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destination moment, like the tree.

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You know what I mean, where

it's like, I'm coming for ya.

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That's pretty intense.

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It is.

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Yeah, but that's wow.

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Not to say that, but that's

kind of how it felt to me.

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Cause it was so like,

what are the odds of this?

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All of these things.

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Occurring, but that's just

kind of, I guess how it is.

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I worked one time as a floral

assistant for a wedding.

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Um, and we were up on these.

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Massive massive ladders.

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, basically we had a bunch of

like branches or something.

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I don't know the technical term.

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Um,

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and we were lining them across these like,

, pipe type things across this huge venue.

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Right.

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And I, I'm not even that afraid of

ladders, but being up there for so

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long, I was like getting a little shaky.

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I was like, this is not the job for me.

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Like, oh my God.

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You know, and looking at a 12 foot ladder

and being on one or two different things.

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Very very scary.

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I did not enjoy my time.

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It was scary.

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Yeah.

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Size does matter.

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Six foot ladders.

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No problem.

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12 foot ladder.

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I mean truly.

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You got to prepare for that.

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Um, so did you okay after the

assassination attempt of your colleague?

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Did you get that fixture

back in place for the event?

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No.

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No.

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That's what I was thinking.

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I was like, you.

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Yeah.

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I had to have made that decision.

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And we came up with something

else that was ground supported.

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That.

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Fabulous.

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And everything looked great.

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And unless you were there, you'd

never would have known it happened.

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Was it a wedding?

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It wasn't, it was a, actually,

it was a nonprofit event.

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The 700 people, you know, Right.

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,

Did they notice?

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, or were you able to

like keep it all under.

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Then, you know, everyone that.

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Yeah.

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Everyone knew.

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How do you handle that?

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So, I mean, so naturally, I mean, of

course we responded the best way we could,

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you know, and just, you know, Like, of

course sincere apologies and, you know,

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Financial compensation, things like that.

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, um, Sue me.

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Yeah.

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, and then the person that was.

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I was kinda live at the scene

when all this went down.

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I mean, they were, we had

to kind of reassign them.

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So yeah.

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So there.

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I w there has to be an element

though, of like, These things

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happen and is a dangerous.

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Like putting those things up.

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I would know.

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Well, and, and, you know, we're

dealing with like, we're not,

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you know, there, there are.

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Businesses.

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You know, like when you think

about lighting and all of that

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stuff that they have, they have.

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People that are licensed to rig.

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Sealing and weight limits and.

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You know, when you're dealing

with flowers so often, that's

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not always part of the equation.

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Sometimes we have to,

like, we have to hire.

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Yeah.

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Like some, uh, rigor that's in a

union that's getting paid at, you

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know, a lot of money per hour.

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Beat to ensure safety sometimes.

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Absolutely.

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, if the fixtures were hanging,

exceed a certain weight, we.

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Well, I was.

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Wait, sorry.

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You know, you're going to ask.

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I th I don't know it off.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Well, I was thinking.

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I, , I work in film.

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, they know this, you don't know this.

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Um, but it's almost like kind of the

same vibe as like we're managing this

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thing that I agreed with the like eight

hour move out reference that you made.

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I was like, kind of feels

like a film set, but.

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Yeah.

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On a film set.

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You have a set medic that's

there the entire time you

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have backup, preparedness.

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Uh, because they are working with these

huge lights that are like, Ken fall on.

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Somebody can be very dangerous.

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So it's so interesting to me that

you guys are doing all of that, but

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there isn't a medic around like that.

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That's really.

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Right.

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It's crazy.

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, and it just goes to show how

impressive it is at the end of the

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day, you know, like it's right.

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It's very cool.

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Actually very fucking hardcore.

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It's a greedy bunch and you know, and

like I said, it's not, you know, we've

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had people that literally will walk off.

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Cause they're just like, I had no idea

this was going to be so challenging.

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Physically.

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Yeah.

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So, sorry.

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I work felt like work today.

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The one day I did it.

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It was really hard.

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I was like, wow.

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And so I guess I have.

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Are you like the manager of all

those people doing that thing?

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Is that your role or so, so

it's not currently any more.

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I had to, you know, I saw, I served

more of as a creative director.

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You know, owner operator, you know,

All of that top of the pyramid.

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Yes.

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There's some space between

him and the minion.

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Yes.

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I'm still there.

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, but I have a team now.

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I'm very grateful for that.

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That helps me manage.

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Manage all the moving parts and people.

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That's amazing.

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Yeah.

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Goodness.

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Cool.

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I'm learning so much.

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Yeah, it's so interesting.

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Yeah.

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. So you made that reference.

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Uh, you know, you've got this whole

eight hour production window and

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then this event is done, but then

you've got all of these gorgeous,

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expensive flowers and arrangements.

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And things, what do you do with that?

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So we'll start with the

non-perishable goods.

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Most of them are either items

that we have in our inventory.

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So, you know, lanterns,

candle, holders, tables.

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Things like that, just decorative items

and we rent, linens and tablecloths.

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Okay.

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Just back to the, where can we just

send those back and, you know, to

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wherever they came from rentals.

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Like we need 300 chairs.

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We'll get them from a rental company.

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So all that stuff just goes

back to its wherever it belongs.

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And then, when it comes to things like

flowers, , you know, we are first thing.

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If we make an arrangement with

the host, like we'll often.

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Take the flowers the next day and

then redo them and donate them.

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So that you donate them.

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So it's coordinated through a small

organization here in Atlanta called

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change to humanity and they do.

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, a lot of grassroot efforts, but one

of them is just, you know, it was a.

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Showing the love to

like healthcare workers.

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People in hospice like children, you.

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Things like that.

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Yeah, sorta, but in a small,

you know, just they would

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get, it's basically the way.

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A little flower.

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The way that organization works.

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Like they, , they work.

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A lot with whole foods.

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So they'll take it all the food from.

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So you volunteer with also yes.

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Ah, wow.

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They also have another offshoot that

they, you know, are basically just showing

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love and appreciation for people that

serve the community or people that are.

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Sensing hardships.

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So anyway, so they would, they would, they

would have volunteers come and pick up all

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the flowers and deliver them to hospitals.

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So on, so, oh, that's really

nice, which is really great.

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So that's how we set our first.

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Yes, let's do this.

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, we gave ours to neighbors.

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I mean that's and that's

actually, I do that.

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All the time.

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So I used to like, This actually

started for me during COVID.

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It became super important to me not

to waste anything at that point.

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Because I had all these flowers when

the day everything is shut down.

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We had multiple events that were

coming up that weekend and oh, geez.

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The team had all been sent

home and I'm standing there

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looking at all these flyers.

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I'm like, what am I going to do?

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And so I just filled up my car.

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And then for the next day, I

think I was making arrangements

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to just dropping them on peoples.

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So, I mean, that was my

way of dealing with it.

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I was like, Just do what I do.

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Cheer people up in such a scary time, too.

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Like.

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That's so beautiful.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Any opportunity I had to do that.

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So then it became a thing and it was

like, , over the course of probably a

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year, maybe year and a half, it was like,

Just, I was just dropping them on random

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people's doorsteps and our neighbor.

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So good.

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How much I had, or yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But also we give it away to the

hotel staff or catering staff.

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Our team loves to take home flowers.

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Makes sense.

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Yeah, so, oh, wow.

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So Chris, you have such a big heart.

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And I feel like it's really obvious

quickly when people chat with you.

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Uh, And I ha.

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I remember a story of you worked

on a wedding where we had a mutual

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acquaintance involved in the sweating

and the father of the bride said

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to you, if my daughter doesn't like

this, I'm going to fucking kill you.

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That's right.

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That's are you kidding me?

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But yeah.

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I'm like anybody else would have

been like, let's fucking go, but I,

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but you're such a fucking pumpkin

pie, but I like, I can't imagine.

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does it make you want to be even

like lean even further into that

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aspect of your personality when

you encounter people like that?

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Yeah, I think I was like, I guess

I may be just had a track record

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that I wasn't concerned about that.

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it was going to come to that.

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Craziest thing I've ever heard.

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Yeah.

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Isn't that wild?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Truly unhinged.

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But he did, he cleaned it up at the

end and he, he said, well, I guess you

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survived this one or something like that.

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You dodged another bullet?

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I don't remember what he said.

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Actual Laurel Weldon.

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I do generally think he was

trying to be funny, you know, but.

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Yeah, that was interesting.

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That was.

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So it's a while ago.

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It's not one of like the beaner things

people said to you, or do you find that?

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Because I know emotions look

at that's tense, especially for

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the person writing the checks.

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Right?

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Like these events are fucking expensive.

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Yeah.

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True.

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And so I could see, yeah, there

just being a lot of stress.

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, is it common to have people speak to you

that way or was that kind of a rarity?

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That was pretty, that was pretty rare.

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And you.

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And again, in his defense, he,

I think he was just being funny.

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But, , you know, generally

people are pretty cool.

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Um, you know, I mean, there

are definitely some times had.

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Various stages of my career.

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You know, you become,

there's a point where you.

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You're just one of the crew and

you're a little bit more invisible.

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And then there comes a time

where you're the one, there's

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a, there's a moment in, in.

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At least there wasn't my

career where I became visible.

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Yeah.

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But I think there was, uh, I

definitely remember times where like

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people would look right past me.

568

Yeah.

569

The person that they

thought was more important.

570

Yeah.

571

You know, whatever, whatever.

572

Maybe not more important.

573

I don't know if that's the right

word, but, you know, so it, um,

574

cause I do see that sometimes

with my teams, that my team.

575

You know, people will

look right past them.

576

People on my team.

577

Yeah.

578

Yeah.

579

I try to like, yeah, this is so-and-so

and look at this as the genius for

580

this and the mastermind of that and

the, you know, so that people know who.

581

Who, you know, Who's making it happen.

582

Yeah.

583

You know, you guys want to

know who did my flowers.

584

You me.

585

We bought them the day before.

586

And then just.

587

Went ham.

588

And luckily my husband's sister

works in the floral industry.

589

That's why I worked that one day.

590

Because she couldn't make it.

591

So I did it for her.

592

But thank God for her.

593

She made all the arrangements and it

was gorgeous, but like, Oh, my God.

594

I keep going back to how hard this job.

595

It is very hardcore.

596

It is that does remind me, I've

got a client who's I think it was

597

her son was going to invite his

girlfriend to be his homecoming date.

598

And it was like a Saturday

and he was going to go run an

599

errand mom and she's like, Hey.

600

And , he comes back and

she's like, what did you do?

601

And he's like, where'd you get this

corsage for Stephanie or whoever?

602

And she's like bro

homecoming is in two weeks.

603

Like that'll only be dead weight.

604

No.

605

Like checking it off his to do list early.

606

And she's like, that's a live of flour.

607

It's like very sweet.

608

I just thought that was such a like

funny little story of people, just

609

all people like a high school boy.

610

I got to get this, make

everything perfect.

611

Oh, my gosh.

612

Yeah.

613

Early on in my career, I used to work at

flower shop, said, you know, the problems.

614

Oh, my God homecoming and stuff.

615

At Lou, there'd be hundreds

of orders for corsage.

616

Died to match flowers.

617

Ribbons and wow.

618

But, you know, I look back at

those times when I was making

619

little triangle arrangements.

620

But a coffee mug.

621

Yeah.

622

I learned a lot of technical experience,

customer service skills, like all the

623

stuff that I use all the time now.

624

Yeah.

625

, that, you know, That I

wouldn't have got otherwise.

626

So.

627

So I am grateful for that.

628

And then also just my drive to make

the crap into something beautiful.

629

You know what I mean?

630

Even if it's, you know, I mean, yeah.

631

Okay.

632

Let's use Dodd flowers, but

let's make them the most.

633

Fucking beautiful ones you've ever seen.

634

So that's, you know, and the

most polished and refined or.

635

Interesting, whatever it is.

636

I love that.

637

Chris in hindsight, are you

more comfortable on the front

638

facing side of things or the

behind the scenes side of things?

639

No.

640

That's a great question.

641

And you know, it we're.

642

I'm definitely my natural.

643

It's just getting it

done behind the scenes.

644

Yeah.

645

You know, but I get such a thrill

out of the client facing stuff,

646

particularly when I work on a proposal

and then I get that response back.

647

Yay.

648

We love it.

649

We're going to go with you.

650

Like that's such a thrill,

that never gets old.

651

I'm sure.

652

Yeah.

653

But there's so many times

where I just want to just.

654

Be behind the scenes.

655

And just doing, doing the work.

656

So.

657

So it's, uh, you know,

cause I think that's just.

658

You know, I like to keep moving.

659

Yeah.

660

And that's it.

661

You know, sometimes.

662

When I'm, when I'm having to like,

interface with clients or go to

663

events, particularly networking

events, I'm just like in and out.

664

I just don't want to be there.

665

I agree with that, ? Your

work to speak for itself.

666

You don't want to have to be

like mucking it up with people.

667

Right.

668

Yeah.

669

Right.

670

And not that I don't dislike.

671

I don't, I love people, but, you know,

I just haven't, , you know, You get it.

672

I totally get it.

673

Speaking of people.

674

I think we referenced this during Greg's

episode, but Chris and Greg are known

675

for hosting this pumpkin carving party.

676

That is just amazing.

677

And you're so good at being a host.

678

And I feel like exactly what you just

said shows up in the way that you host.

679

Because it's like, where's Chris,

look, I want to say hi to Chris,

680

but you're always doing something.

681

Who are just running around.

682

I mean, and everything is perfect.

683

Through the entire

duration of your events.

684

Do you get to enjoy them yourself or

do you enjoy them through serving them?

685

So that, that is definitely

my love language.

686

Is being of service like doing hosting and

being a host and hospitality, all of that.

687

That's it, but then also like,

keeping it, keeping it tidy, making

688

sure it looks good, you know, that.

689

, cause people are messy.

690

Yeah, they are.

691

They are, but I do love it, but

I, but actually I last year was

692

probably like, I cut it off.

693

Like I'm like, all right.

694

Coasting has done at three

o'clock or whatever it was.

695

I don't even remember what time.

696

Maybe it was five o'clock.

697

Yeah.

698

And then I'm going to do

the same again this year.

699

So just consciously say, okay.

700

So for the first hour and a half,

two hours, It's going to be,

701

everything's going to be spotless.

702

We're going to keep it,

you know, keep that.

703

We'll take the pictures.

704

Right, right.

705

And then after that, I'm

just going to whoever.

706

Yeah.

707

Just go sit somewhere

and just enjoy, enjoy.

708

That's amazing.

709

I think that's a really

good way to balance things.

710

I'm going to use that advice.

711

I am.

712

I just had a birthday party.

713

Okay.

714

I was so overwhelmed the whole

time, because I was like, Hosting

715

it and yeah, like it was great.

716

All my friends were there and

it was, it was just beautiful.

717

And I loved having everyone, but I was so.

718

Stressed.

719

And I was like, it's my damn birthday.

720

Like, what am I doing?

721

I'm going to take that advice.

722

I'm like, because the last experience

with my party was so overwhelming.

723

Yeah, that's so smart though.

724

Just to chill for a minute.

725

Yeah, that's right.

726

Just cut it.

727

Yeah.

728

Just say after this point,

um, I'm off the clock.

729

Yeah.

730

So that's how I had to look at it.

731

I just went to a 50th birthday

for a friend this past weekend.

732

And.

733

, I showed up there and, uh, you know,

cause it was, it was in New York and

734

I landed and arrive at the party.

735

And given hugs and all, and.

736

And, uh, my friend who's

having the birthday.

737

She's like, I'm so stressed.

738

I said, you know, I, I don't know, but,

you know, I wish there was a book.

739

Yeah.

740

One that is having a party that they're

the guest of honor, that there is

741

we're hosting a party in general.

742

Like, yes, there's.

743

For those people that are doing

those milestone things in particular.

744

Yeah, we don't do big

birthday parties that often.

745

Yes.

746

What do you do to.

747

You can drink a lot.

748

Spoke a lot.

749

You can be the center of

attention at your own party.

750

Right?

751

I mean, okay.

752

That part, like the attention is great,

but like, It's overwhelming to be hosting

753

and be the person that everyone is

paying attention to at the same time.

754

It's like, I can't do

both of those things.

755

And it's just.

756

It's hard.

757

Like, I think.

758

Everybody should have

parties thrown for them.

759

And that should be how that goes.

760

I think this is the last time I'm

throwing myself a birthday party.

761

Like none of them know . I'm not doing.

762

I mean, that's a solid plan.

763

Yeah.

764

That fully support that.

765

Yeah.

766

Everyone should do that.

767

But yeah, it is, but I see it

repeated over and over again, is

768

that people not sure what to do with.

769

That moment.

770

Yeah.

771

It's comes for some people,

just not very often.

772

Yeah.

773

In between two worlds.

774

Yeah.

775

Uh, one of the things I'm thinking

about more than likely going

776

to have a 50th birthday party

in March and I'm the same way.

777

I just get overwhelmed and

imagine all your worlds.

778

Collide.

779

You know what I mean?

780

Um, and yeah.

781

And it's that in itself is

over at who do I talk to?

782

I don't want to make this one feel

bad cause I'm spending too much.

783

Here, blah, blah, blah.

784

And you have to interface all of that.

785

I was thinking I'm going to kind of just

do like the reception line thing and just

786

wait, just greet every single person.

787

Oh my God.

788

That's really smart.

789

And then, just do whatever after that.

790

Okay.

791

I've connected with every single person.

792

I'm not going to feel.

793

Like looking across the room at

people you ever do that, like.

794

You gotta go say hi to them.

795

Oh, but I'm over here.

796

I'm still haven't said hello to like,

that was what was happening to me.

797

It was awful.

798

I was like, just, okay.

799

That's I mean, that was old school, right?

800

Yeah, the receiving lines, whatever.

801

And you get stuck in a

conversation for 20 minutes.

802

And you're like, I found myself

having to be like, I have, I have

803

to go be my little host self.

804

I have to go say hi to some other

people, but I'll talk to you soon.

805

I'll come back.

806

And they understand they did.

807

Yeah, he did, but he doesn't

understand the whole time.

808

I was like always saying that.

809

And it's so much of

it's in our heads, too.

810

Right?

811

, my mom always taught me if you have a

party or saying hi to every single person.

812

Well, I think that's accurate.

813

Yeah.

814

And I think too, there's always other

people at parties that have social

815

anxiety and want something to do.

816

So if you let the dishes pile up,

someone's going to do around and

817

pick up the glasses and whatever.

818

It will create a vacuum where

there's clearly a need and

819

somebody will step into it.

820

That's.

821

Yeah, I think that's usually the case.

822

And if you're in a small enough

group or close enough friends

823

where it's like, I don't care

if there's pizza boxes piled up.

824

Yeah, we'll deal with it later.

825

Let's just relax.

826

Yeah.

827

Yeah.

828

I handle those situations differently.

829

, like on my birthdays, I

usually go out of town alone.

830

And myself, and there's no stress.

831

That's the most you thing I've ever heard.

832

I've weighed everybody

that makes complete sense.

833

I love it.

834

Everybody loves it.

835

It's great.

836

Yeah.

837

Oh, that's great.

838

Oh, I like that.

839

And.

840

You know, I've thought about that.

841

You know, kind of vacillate back

and forth between the two concepts.

842

Yeah.

843

And I think after seeing, or

being at this last birthday party.

844

and how there were, I mean, my, my,

all of our old friends from 20 years

845

ago were there and it just was.

846

Amazing to be with them again.

847

And that's amazing.

848

Was the CEO you farted in front of them.

849

Yeah.

850

It made me lean more towards the party.

851

Yeah.

852

I technically was in Paris

on my birthday this year.

853

And it was beautiful and lovely.

854

And we went to a Michelin star restaurant,

which I've never been to before.

855

It's called Anne.

856

Um, it's named after like the AAN.

857

N a N N E oh, okay.

858

Um, it's named after like the mother

of the owner of the bill, the hotelers

859

I don't even, I don't even know.

860

, but, but about Redwood, but I, we

had a great day great experience,

861

but I found myself being like, okay,

like I need some more attention.

862

Like, not just from you.

863

It's Spencer.

864

Like I need like some,

I need like party vibes.

865

And I'm not getting party vibes.

866

Here in Paris because it was very like

romantic person, Michelin star dinner.

867

I'm sorry.

868

It wasn't a party vibe.

869

That was lunch.

870

I was just like we were

saying, it was great.

871

It.

872

It was the best meal of my.

873

My whole life.

874

And shot with the, after they

shaved the truffles over my lunch.

875

They did not want to chat.

876

I was trying to jot.

877

I've been to Paris before.

878

No.

879

Okay.

880

That was my first time.

881

, beyond.

882

I got back and planned a

party for four days later.

883

I was like, I just have to throw a party.

884

It has to happen.

885

I need, I need that.

886

I've spent three birthdays in Paris.

887

Three.

888

Yes.

889

Three.

890

Uh, 26, 29 and 33.

891

On your birthday,

Michelin star restaurant.

892

Yeah.

893

Yeah.

894

Three-star restaurant.

895

It was incredible.

896

It was amazing.

897

Correct.

898

I just never.

899

I never knew.

900

You don't know until you do it.

901

That's what I'm saying.

902

Yes.

903

David's crazy.

904

Yeah, no, it's a must.

905

At some point I have very strong opinions

about dining and Michelin and the

906

combination of Michelin and Atlanta.

907

So the Atlanta guide is

coming out just be prepared.

908

You all.

909

I'm going to likely have some strong.

910

But yes.

911

So these Parisian birthdays I've,

you know, fine dining is a mess,

912

but there was one year where I

had intended to be there alone.

913

And then a girlfriend of mine surprised me

and she came over and she met me in Paris.

914

Oh my God.

915

And I had started that trip in Amsterdam.

916

And so I brought over some

hallucinogenic truffles.

917

And so on my birthday, we tripped balls

and we went to the oldest cathedral in

918

Paris, there was a Vivaldi concerto.

919

So I'm sitting there just

like Oh, I was like, oh, what.

920

Yeah, share.

921

I don't know what that is.

922

Classical music in a church.

923

Okay, thank you.

924

, it was absolutely beautiful and that

we went to the Tuileries gardens and

925

like, you know, those green chairs.

926

We just parked our asses under the

green chairs and just had the craziest,

927

it was the most beautiful day ever.

928

I mean, it was wow.

929

Perfect.

930

That sounds amazing.

931

Yeah.

932

So I think every, I think every

woman, I don't know why this

933

just feels like a feminine thing.

934

Like anybody can do this, but I feel

like it's like very girly to have a

935

pretend birthday, at least once a year.

936

Yeah, it was, it was incredible.

937

I'm really happy.

938

. Um, I got engaged on my birthday,

the first pair of strip.

939

Whoa.

940

That's.

941

I'm sorry, I'm not sharing that.

942

I didn't know, it was that every

time I've been in Paris, It was

943

on one of your singular travels?

944

Well, okay.

945

I had gone on this trip alone and then

my boyfriend at the time surprised me.

946

and proposed, and then he stayed

with me for the portion of the trip.

947

I was in Paris.

948

And then I met up with a

girlfriend in Switzerland, I think.

949

And then we continued on.

950

, but now I'm just realizing this

because I really genuinely like

951

spending my birthdays alone.

952

But each of my birthdays,

I've been surprised in Paris.

953

Just the Parisian ones.

954

Wow.

955

Yeah, it's crazy.

956

She can't go alone.

957

We're going to do.

958

You know, Well, I feel this

way about destination weddings,

959

like I'm pro elopement.

960

Sorry, Chris.

961

But land, sorry, me.

962

Um, I think that, , Destination weddings

are great because it really it's like,

963

you gotta love me to spend, you know, a

couple thousand dollars to come see me.

964

Get married here.

965

Like filter out, you know, right.

966

The people who be.

967

Maybe not on the B list.

968

Like, I don't know, just like, you're not

going to fly to see somebody get married,

969

unless you like really care about that.

970

Right.

971

So I love, I love a micro wedding.

972

I love an elopement.

973

I love a little, you can come to me.

974

I went to a wedding once in Paris, it was.

975

It was someone I knew, but I wasn't

friends with opposite plus one.

976

Oh, wow.

977

Yeah, that's great.

978

That's just one of the best

weddings I ever went to.

979

There were maybe 24 people total.

980

. I mean everything about it, just

the amazing rehearsal dinner.

981

The wedding itself, the reception.

982

Yeah.

983

It was, it was a blast.

984

Paris is magical when people talk

shit about Paris, it tells me so much

985

about them because I'm like if you

went to Paris and managed to have a

986

bad time, So that tells me everything

I need to know about you, Spencer.

987

Really hesitant when we went.

988

People talk shit about parents.

989

Yeah.

990

And that's what he said.

991

He was like, it just seems like

we're not going to have a good time.

992

And then we went and he's like, oh

my God, we have to come back here.

993

Like.

994

This is so fun.

995

They have a great natural wine scene.

996

Yes.

997

Incredible.

998

And so we just had like the greatest time.

999

We're like, wow, Paris rocks.

00:37:00,306 --> 00:37:00,816

I agreed.

00:37:00,816 --> 00:37:02,256

No one can say anything bad about Paris.

00:37:02,256 --> 00:37:02,766

Like, sorry.

00:37:03,096 --> 00:37:06,486

It just tells me that you're being

like very touristy and like limit.

00:37:06,966 --> 00:37:08,106

You're doing the wrong thing.

00:37:08,136 --> 00:37:08,376

Yeah.

00:37:08,496 --> 00:37:11,946

You're packing in a day of

just like vanilla bullshit.

00:37:12,006 --> 00:37:13,956

Oh, like some TripAdvisor list.

00:37:14,736 --> 00:37:15,066

Yeah.

00:37:15,096 --> 00:37:19,026

I'm like, that's not how you, Paris Paris

is about slowing down and indulgence.

00:37:19,386 --> 00:37:22,626

Not about how many museums you can

see in a day and like, exactly.

00:37:23,316 --> 00:37:24,426

Uh, no, I didn't see one.

00:37:25,176 --> 00:37:25,956

And I think that's okay.

00:37:26,076 --> 00:37:27,006

Yeah, no, I was glad.

00:37:27,576 --> 00:37:27,846

Yeah.

00:37:28,206 --> 00:37:30,786

Sometimes I just say, you know,

white, like walking onto the campus,

00:37:30,786 --> 00:37:33,336

you know, Just walking outside.

00:37:33,336 --> 00:37:34,116

That was enough for me.

00:37:34,116 --> 00:37:34,686

I didn't need to go.

00:37:35,016 --> 00:37:35,706

Just beautiful.

00:37:35,976 --> 00:37:36,456

Yes.

00:37:38,256 --> 00:37:39,336

So, yes.

00:37:39,336 --> 00:37:40,326

Speaking of traveling.

00:37:40,386 --> 00:37:40,686

Okay.

00:37:41,616 --> 00:37:43,746

I really enjoy traveling two ways.

00:37:43,956 --> 00:37:45,336

The first one is physically.

00:37:45,696 --> 00:37:47,076

And the second one is mentally.

00:37:47,226 --> 00:37:47,556

Okay.

00:37:47,586 --> 00:37:49,176

And that's whether through.

00:37:49,566 --> 00:37:50,466

Maybe a drug.

00:37:51,246 --> 00:37:52,686

We're up a plant medicine.

00:37:53,256 --> 00:37:55,176

Um, or through meditation.

00:37:55,536 --> 00:37:56,706

And Chris.

00:37:57,006 --> 00:37:59,706

Is that a meditator you've gone

on several meditation retreats.

00:37:59,736 --> 00:38:03,586

That's a practice that you

try to, , add into your life.

00:38:03,976 --> 00:38:04,756

, can we talk about that?

00:38:05,686 --> 00:38:06,796

I'm very interested.

00:38:07,006 --> 00:38:07,486

Okay, cool.

00:38:07,576 --> 00:38:09,136

I am such a bad meditator.

00:38:10,126 --> 00:38:11,146

Well, I think.

00:38:11,746 --> 00:38:14,836

The first step to being not a

bad meditator is to say, I'm

00:38:14,836 --> 00:38:16,036

going to do those regularly.

00:38:16,336 --> 00:38:16,516

And my.

00:38:16,846 --> 00:38:18,586

Making it fit into your world.

00:38:18,646 --> 00:38:19,906

That's what makes it bad at it?

00:38:20,806 --> 00:38:23,326

Chris when you're really

locked in and like on point

00:38:23,326 --> 00:38:24,736

with your meditation practice.

00:38:25,216 --> 00:38:27,886

Will you share with us how

it fits into your world?

00:38:28,436 --> 00:38:30,746

So generally I try to do it every morning.

00:38:30,926 --> 00:38:31,586

You know, Jen.

00:38:31,766 --> 00:38:32,486

But Mo.

00:38:32,906 --> 00:38:33,326

Without.

00:38:33,326 --> 00:38:36,596

So there's a time where I

start my day without the phone.

00:38:36,686 --> 00:38:37,226

Yeah.

00:38:37,316 --> 00:38:38,336

Just sitting outside.

00:38:38,846 --> 00:38:40,646

Starting with , just being quiet.

00:38:40,676 --> 00:38:41,246

I love that.

00:38:41,816 --> 00:38:46,466

Listening to the birds or whatever it is

just that that's usually, if I do just

00:38:46,466 --> 00:38:48,146

that, and that's in a way it's just as.

00:38:48,386 --> 00:38:49,916

It is a state of meditation.

00:38:49,916 --> 00:38:51,146

I believe a hundred percent.

00:38:51,206 --> 00:38:55,076

No, it just be just sitting

there quietly relaxed, you know?

00:38:55,256 --> 00:38:59,966

And honestly just doing that every day,

which is a much easier practice for me.

00:39:00,446 --> 00:39:01,406

It's a great star.

00:39:01,406 --> 00:39:01,706

A great.

00:39:01,826 --> 00:39:03,806

Sounds like a lot less pressure.

00:39:03,926 --> 00:39:06,896

I feel like every time I go to meditate,

it's like, okay, clear your mind,

00:39:06,926 --> 00:39:07,886

clear your mind, clear your mind.

00:39:07,886 --> 00:39:09,356

And then I'm just getting mad.

00:39:09,776 --> 00:39:14,386

So it said, mindfulness, I guess is you're

just kind of taking in what's around you.

00:39:14,416 --> 00:39:14,656

Right.

00:39:14,656 --> 00:39:14,836

You know?

00:39:15,196 --> 00:39:19,546

And it just, so it does it, you're not

trying to push anything away or, or,

00:39:19,756 --> 00:39:21,106

you know, like, oh, there's a bird.

00:39:21,166 --> 00:39:22,096

That sounds really nice.

00:39:22,096 --> 00:39:22,336

It's.

00:39:22,636 --> 00:39:24,136

You know, that's all good stuff for me.

00:39:24,136 --> 00:39:25,696

I find absolutely no.

00:39:26,176 --> 00:39:29,326

I guess it's more of that and just

acknowledging, Hey bird, I get you.

00:39:29,326 --> 00:39:29,956

You're there.

00:39:30,346 --> 00:39:32,536

You know, and now you feel.

00:39:37,246 --> 00:39:39,586

I find to be the most, , fulfilling.

00:39:39,586 --> 00:39:43,306

I mean, I definitely love the other chefs,

is it for me, has been more challenging.

00:39:44,146 --> 00:39:45,856

The breathing., and yeah.

00:39:46,006 --> 00:39:48,946

The quiet, , going into the deep

breath work and then come on.

00:39:49,376 --> 00:39:52,406

, laying down and kind of just going

into that kind of trance-like state.

00:39:52,646 --> 00:39:53,906

I think it's great.

00:39:53,936 --> 00:39:54,296

Yeah.

00:39:54,326 --> 00:39:57,266

But I've only been able to really

do it successfully with a guide.

00:39:59,006 --> 00:40:01,256

But when I do, I feel

completely re refreshed.

00:40:01,316 --> 00:40:01,916

Oh, it's amazing.

00:40:01,976 --> 00:40:02,366

Yeah.

00:40:02,456 --> 00:40:02,996

In a way.

00:40:03,386 --> 00:40:04,466

But I like so ma.

00:40:04,916 --> 00:40:07,976

But for me on it as a daily practice,

that's really been more on the mindful

00:40:07,976 --> 00:40:10,196

side of just being still being quiet.

00:40:10,316 --> 00:40:10,976

I like that.

00:40:10,976 --> 00:40:12,986

I think it can be an intimidating concept.

00:40:13,166 --> 00:40:17,066

And so people don't know where to start

or how to apply it to their lives in

00:40:17,066 --> 00:40:19,016

a realistic way to make it consistent.

00:40:19,386 --> 00:40:20,796

, but that's such a great example.

00:40:21,066 --> 00:40:22,296

And it reminds me I've got this.

00:40:22,396 --> 00:40:24,556

, I don't know what to call

her, like a spiritual.

00:40:25,126 --> 00:40:25,816

Advisor.

00:40:26,506 --> 00:40:27,586

I don't know this woman.

00:40:28,306 --> 00:40:30,706

, but she said something to me once

that really stuck with me and it

00:40:30,706 --> 00:40:33,616

was intuition enters on quiet feet.

00:40:34,216 --> 00:40:35,086

And that means.

00:40:35,303 --> 00:40:36,893

We, we all have an intuition.

00:40:36,923 --> 00:40:38,363

A lot of us are disconnected from it.

00:40:38,723 --> 00:40:43,463

But these moments where there's no digital

technology around us and we're just quiet.

00:40:43,523 --> 00:40:45,263

We'll just let things flow through us.

00:40:45,533 --> 00:40:49,733

That's what, like going on a walk like

that's meditation because your body is

00:40:49,733 --> 00:40:53,123

moving and if you're not listening to

music, you, you may notice you get these

00:40:53,123 --> 00:40:54,293

like, oh, I've got this great idea.

00:40:54,293 --> 00:40:55,463

It's white in the shower.

00:40:55,613 --> 00:40:56,693

People have great ideas.

00:40:56,693 --> 00:40:58,223

Cause you're doing this methodical thing.

00:40:58,643 --> 00:41:00,833

Maybe not listening to

music or distracted, you're

00:41:00,833 --> 00:41:02,243

just focusing on this task.

00:41:02,243 --> 00:41:02,603

Wow.

00:41:02,713 --> 00:41:05,443

, And so that's super, just important to me.

00:41:05,563 --> 00:41:05,713

Yeah.

00:41:06,553 --> 00:41:10,213

And January is going to be a

year since I went to Ecuador

00:41:10,213 --> 00:41:12,013

to do this Iowasca retreat.

00:41:12,073 --> 00:41:14,203

I actually, Kelly, I want to

do a whole episode in January.

00:41:14,263 --> 00:41:16,393

I assume that you are going to do that.

00:41:17,203 --> 00:41:18,313

You know how, you know.

00:41:18,673 --> 00:41:19,453

He's done ILR.

00:41:22,033 --> 00:41:22,813

Same way.

00:41:24,763 --> 00:41:28,633

, but I think that a lot of people are

interested in this type of stuff and

00:41:28,693 --> 00:41:31,483

don't necessarily know how to even begin.

00:41:31,543 --> 00:41:33,733

Uh, like learning about it

or approaching it or even

00:41:33,793 --> 00:41:34,753

incorporating it in their lives.

00:41:34,753 --> 00:41:37,963

So I love that tip of just kind

of finding a way that's realistic

00:41:37,963 --> 00:41:39,883

for you and tapping in as.

00:41:39,973 --> 00:41:40,993

That's it and it doesn't.

00:41:41,323 --> 00:41:43,063

I think the dosha is people.

00:41:43,093 --> 00:41:47,093

I think I thought it too, like, , I

I'm terrible at meditating or.

00:41:47,693 --> 00:41:51,113

But honestly, I think I've heard

this as little cliche, but the only

00:41:51,143 --> 00:41:53,333

bad meditation is not meditating.

00:41:54,623 --> 00:41:56,063

So all of this is real.

00:41:56,093 --> 00:41:59,933

I feel like the universe is speaking

to me a little bit right now, because

00:42:00,143 --> 00:42:02,933

this morning, this morning today.

00:42:03,383 --> 00:42:03,923

Aye.

00:42:04,583 --> 00:42:07,013

I've been seeing the scroll on social

media and she keeps posting she's

00:42:07,043 --> 00:42:09,083

like morning pages, morning pages.

00:42:10,223 --> 00:42:11,843

Changes their life morning pages.

00:42:11,873 --> 00:42:14,813

And so this morning I've been

having like some issues, whatever.

00:42:15,083 --> 00:42:17,993

And this morning I was like, okay, Fine.

00:42:18,173 --> 00:42:19,433

I'll do the morning pages.

00:42:19,733 --> 00:42:20,153

I'll do it.

00:42:20,423 --> 00:42:25,553

So I took my dog and we went to the

dog park, which was at my apartment.

00:42:25,553 --> 00:42:26,963

So it was like 50 steps away.

00:42:27,023 --> 00:42:27,593

Downstairs.

00:42:27,623 --> 00:42:28,703

Yeah.

00:42:28,823 --> 00:42:33,893

Um, I just sat on the little bench in

the dog park and I wrote two pages.

00:42:33,923 --> 00:42:35,813

I was like, okay, at least it's plural.

00:42:36,323 --> 00:42:37,463

At least its pages.

00:42:37,823 --> 00:42:39,683

And it was like 10 minutes of my day.

00:42:39,743 --> 00:42:40,133

Yeah.

00:42:40,163 --> 00:42:42,173

But it really was nice.

00:42:42,293 --> 00:42:45,863

And I also was talking to my

roommate today about how I've been so

00:42:45,863 --> 00:42:47,563

addicted to social media recently.

00:42:48,163 --> 00:42:51,733

And like that I'm like considering

deleting it, or like at least only getting

00:42:51,733 --> 00:42:53,413

it on weekends or something like that.

00:42:54,043 --> 00:42:57,943

And specifically I said, I need

to not be on it in the morning.

00:42:58,873 --> 00:42:59,083

Yeah.

00:42:59,383 --> 00:43:01,003

Now we're all talking about it right now.

00:43:01,153 --> 00:43:01,423

Yeah.

00:43:01,663 --> 00:43:02,953

This is how the universe works.

00:43:03,013 --> 00:43:05,923

Everybody's saying like I'm not

religious, but I am, I would consider

00:43:05,923 --> 00:43:07,453

myself a very spiritual person.

00:43:07,483 --> 00:43:11,503

Yeah, I absolutely believe that we

can interact with the world around us.

00:43:11,503 --> 00:43:15,253

And when we get these synchronicities

and these signs, they mean something.

00:43:15,643 --> 00:43:16,753

You may misinterpret them.

00:43:16,753 --> 00:43:19,603

We may not know what they mean or what

they stand for, but when you notice

00:43:19,603 --> 00:43:23,503

synchronicities like that in your life, I

think it's for me, I interpreted it as, as

00:43:23,533 --> 00:43:25,693

a sign that I'm kind of like clicked in.

00:43:26,023 --> 00:43:27,823

And everything's kind of flowing.

00:43:27,913 --> 00:43:29,053

I'm in, I'm in a flow state.

00:43:29,083 --> 00:43:32,443

When I'm in a flow state, I

get that stuff all the time.

00:43:32,473 --> 00:43:33,523

It's reassuring.

00:43:33,613 --> 00:43:37,543

It's like, I feel better about like,

uh, I was still going to do it.

00:43:37,603 --> 00:43:40,633

Like I told myself at least for a

week, like just do it for a week.

00:43:40,663 --> 00:43:41,023

Yeah.

00:43:41,113 --> 00:43:44,623

Um, but now it's like, oh,

now I really gotta do it.

00:43:44,623 --> 00:43:47,863

Like now it's like, you literally

have to it'll actually help me.

00:43:47,863 --> 00:43:51,043

Cause obviously there's signs

saying that it will absolutely.

00:43:51,763 --> 00:43:53,143

We can complicate anything.

00:43:53,203 --> 00:43:55,093

I know I can, I can complicate anything.

00:43:55,153 --> 00:43:55,333

I'm doing

00:43:57,073 --> 00:43:58,243

practices that I've.

00:43:58,753 --> 00:43:59,443

Put into place.

00:43:59,443 --> 00:44:00,223

Like sometimes that.

00:44:01,243 --> 00:44:03,643

I didn't even realize I was

doing it, but then I, yeah.

00:44:04,183 --> 00:44:05,263

It was so simple.

00:44:05,713 --> 00:44:07,183

I barely even knew I was doing it.

00:44:07,693 --> 00:44:08,563

And now it's a thing.

00:44:08,833 --> 00:44:09,073

Yeah.

00:44:09,253 --> 00:44:11,533

I love that it absolutely

makes a difference in my day.

00:44:11,593 --> 00:44:11,983

Yeah.

00:44:12,193 --> 00:44:13,633

And even just driving in the car.

00:44:13,753 --> 00:44:16,513

So that used to be either NPR was on or.

00:44:17,263 --> 00:44:18,853

Boxing blood blasting music.

00:44:18,853 --> 00:44:19,423

Fox news.

00:44:19,423 --> 00:44:19,633

Yeah.

00:44:20,353 --> 00:44:22,333

Um, yeah, I think.

00:44:22,723 --> 00:44:24,493

Too many distractions.

00:44:24,643 --> 00:44:26,143

We all do audibly though.

00:44:26,143 --> 00:44:31,903

Like, especially with Instagram and

take talk and like my television.

00:44:32,233 --> 00:44:33,703

Or even music.

00:44:33,703 --> 00:44:39,733

Like I am rarely just by myself in

my own thoughts, like very rarely.

00:44:39,733 --> 00:44:42,493

And I, I think it's like, I

try to make sure that doesn't

00:44:42,493 --> 00:44:43,843

happen, which is like, that's not.

00:44:44,743 --> 00:44:45,823

So I think that's the.

00:44:46,063 --> 00:44:48,643

Carving out the time is like, really.

00:44:48,643 --> 00:44:49,543

Uh, good practice.

00:44:49,603 --> 00:44:49,753

I don't.

00:44:49,813 --> 00:44:50,233

Absolutely.

00:44:50,383 --> 00:44:51,433

It's all about intention.

00:44:51,673 --> 00:44:55,183

Yeah, for me, it just a 20 minute commute

to work sometimes in the mornings.

00:44:55,213 --> 00:44:57,493

And I'll, I'll realize I'll

get all the way to work and

00:44:57,583 --> 00:44:59,023

I hadn't turned on anything.

00:44:59,893 --> 00:45:01,483

And I was just like, wow, that's cool.

00:45:01,513 --> 00:45:02,053

Yeah.

00:45:02,383 --> 00:45:06,523

And it just so, and it just, I don't

know, it just allows me a moment

00:45:06,523 --> 00:45:07,603

cause I used to commute a lot.

00:45:08,233 --> 00:45:10,333

On trains like particular when

I've lifted in the Northeast.

00:45:11,083 --> 00:45:13,753

On trains for, you know,

extended periods of time when.

00:45:14,023 --> 00:45:15,343

Subway or commuter train.

00:45:15,883 --> 00:45:18,933

And honestly, most of the time I slept,

I was usually sleeping something off.

00:45:19,203 --> 00:45:19,503

Yeah.

00:45:20,253 --> 00:45:20,793

But anyway.

00:45:22,713 --> 00:45:25,983

I know that time was a lot quieter

than, you know, I didn't have.

00:45:26,493 --> 00:45:28,503

You know, if it, maybe it

was a paper or Walkman.

00:45:28,593 --> 00:45:29,163

You know what I mean?

00:45:29,613 --> 00:45:31,143

Those were the by two options.

00:45:31,263 --> 00:45:31,833

It's a Walkman.

00:45:31,953 --> 00:45:32,373

I'm just kidding.

00:45:36,453 --> 00:45:37,833

I just knew I'd get aroused.

00:45:38,073 --> 00:45:38,523

You guys.

00:45:39,273 --> 00:45:40,143

It's an accomplished.

00:45:41,493 --> 00:45:42,483

On a good old days.

00:45:43,863 --> 00:45:44,133

Okay.

00:45:45,853 --> 00:45:47,833

But just being completely quiet.

00:45:47,893 --> 00:45:48,253

Yeah.

00:45:49,333 --> 00:45:50,533

Uh, it's really nice.

00:45:50,773 --> 00:45:51,673

Yeah, I agree.