The transformative potential of Bitcoin, particularly its ability to help people escape cycles of crime and poverty.

In the episode of 'Orange Hatter,' Tali introduces an upcoming women's retreat focused on Bitcoin and welcomes her guest, Stacy, for a conversation on her unique journey into the Bitcoin community.

After a long career in the corporate world, Stacy lost her job during the COVID pandemic and utilized her newfound free time to immerse herself in the world of Bitcoin. Impressed and inspired by the stories of individuals transforming their lives through Bitcoin, like Justin Redrick, she decided to start a non-profit, ‘Bitcoin Transformation Community,’ with the aim of increasing Bitcoin awareness, providing hope and motivation, and helping former convicts reintegrate into society through Bitcoin-related job placements.

The episode concludes with discussions on working in a male-dominated industry and empowering women through Bitcoin.

00:03 Introduction and Overview

00:29 Announcement of the Orange Hatter Women's Retreat

01:28 Introduction of the Guest - Stacey

01:45 Stacey's Background and Journey

02:38 Stacey's Career in Consulting and Academia

03:14 Stacey's Transition to the Bitcoin Space

04:20 Stacey's Role in Corporate Impact Measurement

09:54 Stacey's Experience in Non-Profit Sector

19:32 Stacey's Personal Journey and Move to Las Vegas

21:46 Stacey's Involvement in the Bitcoin Community

25:32 Changing Perspectives on Bitcoin

25:44 The Birth of a Nonprofit

25:54 Justin's Journey: From Prison to Bitcoin

26:43 Discovering Bitcoin Mining as a Solution

27:33 From Bars to Bitcoin Reentry Tour: A New Initiative

28:29 Challenges and Strategies in Educating Inmates about Bitcoin

28:40 The Impact of Financial Crimes and the Potential of Bitcoin

29:50 Strategic Goals of the Program

32:52 Expanding Bitcoin Awareness in Las Vegas

38:08 Challenges Faced by Women in the Bitcoin Space

41:05 The Importance of Diversity in the Bitcoin Community

48:17 Personal Experiences and the Impact of Bitcoin

51:12 Closing Remarks and Invitation to Join the Women's Reading Club

You can reach Stacey on Twitter/X @sboyle and https://bitcointransformationcommunity.org/

*** Check out the Orange Hatter Women's Retreat @OrangeHatterPod

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Most crimes are committed for financial reasons.

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You rob, you sell drugs, you prostitute...

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And then you waste your precious

time on this planet, sitting in

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prison while the currency you

committed the crime for is debasing.

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That's the wake up call that we

go in prison and talk about.

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Tali: Hey,

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Everybody.

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Welcome to Orange Hatter.

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Before we dive into my conversation

with our guest today, I want to share

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with you a very exciting project,

the Orange Hatter Women's Retreat.

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The mission of this retreat is to create

a nurturing sanctuary where women in the

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Bitcoin space can connect with each other,

recharge batteries, find grounding, and

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form deep friendships so that you don't

feel so isolated where you are sharing

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the potential of Bitcoin with the world

while keeping an eye on the fiat system.

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This retreat is going to

be absolutely amazing.

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I am partnering with the

Yucatan Project in Mexico.

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Keep an eye out on Twitter

at Orange Hatter Pod.

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I'll give out more information

as they are finalized.

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Spaces are very limited, and

they're going to fill up fast.

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So sign up for it when the registration

and I will see you in Mexico.

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And now we're going to.

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Continue with our podcast.

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Here is my conversation with

our wonderful guests today.

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STacey, welcome to Orange Hatter.

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So glad to have you here.

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Sounds like we've got a fabulous story

to, , dig out of you in today's episode.

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Can't wait.

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Thank you very much for joining us.

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Stacey: Thank you.

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I'm thrilled to be here.

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What a fun way to spend my afternoon.

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Tali: Awesome.

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So let's start by, , chatting a

little bit about your background.

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Would you mind sharing with us, where

you grew up and maybe a little bit of

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on education profession, et cetera.

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Stacey: Yeah, yeah, happy to do it.

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, so I grew up in Oklahoma.

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I grew up in Oklahoma City, went to high

school in Oklahoma City, and I followed

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sort of the traditional path that, you

know, many women were groomed to follow.

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Right?

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So you get out of high school, you

go to college, you earn a degree, you

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get married, you have your babies, and

you keep working, and then you retire,

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and then whatever happens, you get

to have fun when you retire, right?

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So I did that traditional path,

unbeknownst to me, , that it was

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a traditional path, and I did not

know I was going to follow it.

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There's no intention to do that.

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, but I did, and after I graduated

from high school, I went to college

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at Oklahoma State University,

and I was there for 12 years.

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I got a bachelor's, master's, and Ph.

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D.

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all at Oklahoma State.

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And then after that, I finally left

Oklahoma and, , moved to Illinois.

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I got a job at Anderson

Consulting back in the day.

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You know, it's Accenture now.

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but it was the big consulting firm, , and

so I lived in Chicago for 25 years,

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and I just recently, a little over

a year ago, relocated to Las Vegas.

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And I'm in Las Vegas now living the

fabulous Bitcoin life and my friends

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and everybody is envious and curious

about what in the heck I'm doing and

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why did I leave the corporate world and

start a non profit in the Bitcoin space.

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Tali: Okay.

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So what did you get your PhD in?

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Stacey: Research and evaluation, so

it's like quantitative, , so I've

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taught at universities like research

design and all that kind of thing.

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Tali: And then for Anderson Consulting,

you were a consultant for corporate.

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Stacey: Listen, I actually

worked internal at Anderson.

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I wasn't a century.

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You know, I wasn't a line consultant.

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I worked internally.

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I've got 25 years in the

learning and development space.

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So primarily, I work with I consult with

chief learning officers, , like, fortune

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100 nonprofits, the federal government

and help them build out their learning

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strategy, their tech strategy and their

measurement strategy, usually, you know

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how to demonstrate business impact.

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Which a K is now called proof

of work in the Bitcoin space.

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So that's what I've done for a long time.

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Tali: How interesting.

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Okay, so how do you

measure corporate impact?

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Stacey: Well, one, it depends on the

client Two, if I'm a consultant, it

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depends on how much they're funding me.

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The government I worked for

defense, , as a consultant, defense

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acquisition university, , pulled me in.

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And what they do is they train all

of their vendors and suppliers.

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, to the government and they conducted,

I think, , , six or seven ROI.

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Studies to look at the impact of their

investment training and, , nobody

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could really get the right data.

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They couldn't get anything to

satisfy the executive team.

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So I said, okay, they called me up

and I said, let me take a swag at it.

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And we talked about it.

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And I, I know the problems that a

lot of organizations have is actually

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getting the data and knowing what

right data to get and to capture.

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So I did that.

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I laid out a plan and said,

these are the metrics we need.

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And they said, Oh, you can't.

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This is the same thing I heard when I

did a big consulting project for Verizon.

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I did five ROI projects for Verizon.

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And they're like, you can't get the data.

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It's not possible to get sales data.

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The government was saying, Oh, you can't

get data from these other departments.

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And I'm like, watch me.

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I'm Watch me do it.

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And I just called these people

and I'm like, Hey, I'm a paid

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consultant, , so I'm a third party,

they've got some money invested in

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me, so that's how I can get data.

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So I'm not internal.

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So that was the advantage

that I always had.

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So I had the ability to go knock

down the bricks out of the wall

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and knock down the wall and get in

to get the data that they needed.

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And the strategy I always follow is

I say, look, I'm going to have you

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go with me, I'll lead in, I'll knock

down the wall and you're in with me.

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And then by the time my

consulting gigs over, I'll back

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out and you're right in there.

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And they're used to working with you.

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So we were able to get data

from different departments.

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They never could before.

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, and we did 5 ROI studies for them.

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No, wait, we did 4 ROI studies for

defense acquisition , university,

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, and, and it was great.

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They want awards for what we

did and everything was just kind

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of unique because this is what.

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My consulting firm does and what we did.

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So we knew how to go about it.

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And I've done this for non profits.

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Like I said, the government, big consult,

like McDonald's, Verizon, I consulted

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to the big, , fortune 500 companies.

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So, lots of wounds, lots of scars,

full of hard knocks with that approach.

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I figured it out.

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Tali: Okay, , so you're measuring,

, impact through sales numbers, or through

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social impact, some kind of, , scale of

social change or environmental or like

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what kind of impact were you measuring

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Stacey: Well, it would depend, right?

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So for the corporations, usually

it would be a financial impact.

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So they would say we give the learning

function, , 5 million this year.

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What's our ROI in the 5 million?

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Learning and development is sort

of similar to marketing, right?

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, how do you know it was really that ad, or

that investment in marketing that sold

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more Coke, sold more hamburgers, ? , , and

the same thing with learning, ? We're

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investing all this money in learning, and

most corporations look at learning and

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development sort of like a necessary evil.

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Because they, they like,

why do we have to fund this?

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What do those people really do?

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All you do is take my salespeople off the

street when they should be making money.

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You're putting them in these classrooms.

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What are they doing?

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Is it really changing the numbers?

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, sometimes the learning

department's not transparent.

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The big problem was always, honestly,

throughout the years, is that the chief

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learning officers didn't have the ability

to speak the language of the business.

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And they would go in and they would

speak learning and L and D language,

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learning and development language.

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And that didn't resonate.

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You have to go speak finance

to the finance people.

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You have to speak, you know,

by like softer impact, like

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to the marketing people.

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So how you measure the impact

of marketing issues is kind of

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similar, how you would do it

and learning and development.

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So the idea is you've got to take you

usually a longterm approach, because

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for instance, you pull your salespeople

off the street and you train them.

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I'm not going to see an impact tomorrow.

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Next week, next month,

it could take six months.

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It could take a year.

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It could take two years to see an impact.

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So that's when I started going

through this whole process, I created

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a tool called the impact blueprint,

and I have a trademark for that.

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And what I've done is I set up a model.

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It's literally just a logic model that

says, look, you invested, , and funded

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in this program or this initiative,

this department, and we're going to

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show you the little micro steps of where

we're making an impact because you're

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not may not see the financial impact

or the big needles moving for a while.

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So we have to show them

the little needles.

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That are moving until we get to the

big needles and that satisfies their

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need to understand and say, Oh,

we are, making a difference here.

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And then when you're looking at

these little needles, these little

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factors, levers that you can pull if

you're not doing well on those, you

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get to go back and revamp your plan.

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So you roll out a training program.

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Oh, the people were satisfied, but

it's really hard to apply on the job.

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Well, then let's go back and retool

and figure out how can we make

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it easier for them to apply on

the job for them to understand.

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So you can start tweaking the program.

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It gives you insights on how to

tweak your program to drive impact.

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Because you don't want to wait two

years later and be like, Oh, darn,

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we sent them to a month long training

two years ago and nothing happened.

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That's not going to fly, and that's what,

, learning leaders would often do before.

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So, things have changed a lot, but

you have to show those little micro

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steps before you show the big impact.

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Tali: so you went from working with major

agencies big corporations and now to a

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nonprofit so tell me about that process

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Stacey: Yeah, , I'm just a

continuous learner, right?

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, I have a growth mindset,

continuous learner.

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So, I worked for non profits,

well, not worked for, but I've

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consulted to non profits before.

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I did a huge , evaluation study

for, United Way in Minneapolis.

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I did a four year

longitudinal study for them.

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Minnesota had the largest, , achievement

gap between, in high schools of

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white students and students of color.

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So, You've got white students and

everybody else was considered students

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of color, and they're the largest

achievement gap in the nation.

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And so United Way donated 6 million,

I think somewhere between six and

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10 million to the high schools to

implement these programs to close

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that achievement gap between white

students and students of color.

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So I did a longitudinal study across

four years, looked at the investment, the

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programs, the high schools were building.

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, I worked with the high schools.

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I worked the school districts.

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I worked the colleges.

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, so I just designed this whole

program, my consulting team

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and I, , and we delivered it.

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And that's where I created

the impact blueprint.

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Which what is the trademark that

I have to show this little micro

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steps and that's what united way then

use my report actually to this day.

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, so I finished in 2018 and a couple

weeks ago, I looked on their website

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and I realized they're still using

my impact blueprint and they're

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still referring to my consulting

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And what I did for United was kind of

the same thing I did at McDonald's was I

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showed them the importance of evaluation

and how to set up the evaluation team.

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I always tell them when I

start I said my job is to work

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myself out of a job with you.

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Is to teach you how to fish because

I'm not going to be here forever.

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And I don't want to do this forever.

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And I don't want to work for

the same company forever.

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So I want to teach you to fish.

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So United Way end up building their

own evaluation department based on my

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coaching and consulting and my techniques.

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And then I did the same

thing at McDonald's.

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, I built the evaluation model

for McDonald's corporate

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when I was in Chicago.

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And I became really good friends with

their chief learning officer, Diana

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Thomas, and when she retired in 2016,

I called her and I'm like, Hey, Diana,

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we have such a great story to tell.

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We should write a book.

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So Diana Thomas and I wrote a book and

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to be more strategic in business.

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So we got our book.

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Look here.

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Tali: that's so cool

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Stacey: Yeah, so it's kind of interesting.

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And I tell this story at the

beginning of the book about, I went

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straight through to get my PhD.

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I got my PhD at 29, I didn't have

life experience at all when I got out.

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And I got my first job at Accenture.

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And there's some consulting and I was

there six months and I got my first

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performance review and I moved from

Oklahoma to Illinois and it's my

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big career and I was out of college.

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I was a freshly minted doctor all

excited and I got my first performance

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review at six months and they're

like, people don't like you, Stacy.

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They don't like meeting with you.

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And I was like, what?

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I am sitting here working my butt off.

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Are you kidding me with all this?

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And they're like, you

need to be more strategic.

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Like, what did that mean?

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That's not me.

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And they couldn't explain it to me.

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I, I had business classes in school,

but I wasn't a business major and

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I didn't really understand it.

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And this was in 97.

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There was no Google.

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I couldn't Google it.

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. I mean, I go to the library

and looked up books about

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strategy, but it didn't help me.

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And so I finally, I figured out,

I'm like, I just learned throughout

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time watching people and learning

about what being strategic meant.

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So I taught myself when we talk about

that journey, in our book and the

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difference between being tactical and

being strategic and we give examples and

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most of our examples, of course, are L

and D learning and development examples.

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, but it's where I really grew

and learn to be more strategic.

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And we use a Stephen Covey metaphor

about, , climbing a ladder in a jungle.

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. So it's the leader's job to climb

the ladder and look in the jungle

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and look over the trees and say.

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Hey, we're in the right jungle or

look over the trees and say, Oh,

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my gosh, we're in the wrong jungle.

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All you guys, workers and producers

down below, you need to shift, , we

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need to change what we're doing.

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So you listen to your leader doing that.

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But the leaders down there with

you, plowing the weeds and cleaning

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up, they won't be able to help you.

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So it's a leadership book really.

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And it's really about how to think

strategically when you're not trained

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or it's not natural, like strategic

thinking, wasn't natural for me,

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but it was very natural for Diana.

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So that's kind of how we

complimented each other.

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Tali: so you went from co authoring

a book and then Somehow you discover

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Bitcoin, which we're going to talk about.

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And then , you completely transitioned

into a full time Bitcoin nonprofit.

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Stacey: You know what?

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Good things and bad things about COVID.

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So that was a good thing because it

forced me to slow down and stop and

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think, and be more thoughtful and actually

be more strategic about my own life.

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. I'm sitting here consulting every single

day with businesses about how to be more

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strategic, how to communicate to the

executive team, how to get the right data

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and tell your story and all this, but

I wasn't doing it in my personal life.

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And COVID forced to happen.

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When COVID happened, I was

on a nine month contract.

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I was consulting to Booz Allen Hamilton,

a consulting firm in Washington, D.

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C., and I was, , we were restructuring

their learning development

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function from a traditional L& D

to become a corporate university.

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So we were probably about,

I'd say, 75 percent of the

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way through with this project.

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I'd been training and upskilling their,

, learning department of 70 people.

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then COVID hit.

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, and my friend that was a CLO said,

Stacy, I don't even know if I have a

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job, I can't continue your contract,

we don't know what's happening, ? L&

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D was really in a weird place because

when COVID hit, training, which is

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weird, like, are we going to train?

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Are we not going to train?

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Is it going to be virtual?

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How's it going to happen?

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? It was so confusing.

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So I essentially lost all of my work.

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And I'm like, what do I do now?

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So what happens is, , my sister tells

me about this new app called Clubhouse.

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It's like, oh, there's this

thing called clubhouse.

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You should go in there.

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So I'm at home I live by myself and I was

so bored So i'm just exploring clubhouse

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and I saw this room called cafe bitcoin

that neil jacobs started I always wonder

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about this cryptocurrency thing What is

I don't even know what any of this is

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about I had no time to think about any

of it And I got in these bitcoin rooms.

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I started listening.

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I'm like, this is interesting

I'd hop around in different

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rooms then started listening.

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I'm like I kept getting drawn back

into that room for some strange reason.

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And I started listening

and I was just amazed.

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It was actually was affecting me

emotionally when I was listening to these

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stories and these people talk about it

because now it's sort of like a gap

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that they get and they just talk, but

back then it was really educational.

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They were talking about how to get a

wallet, the difference between Bitcoin

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and crypto and kind of one on one.

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And I learned so much.

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And Every time somebody mentioned

a book, I'd grab my phone, write it

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down, go buy that book and read it.

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So, I literally was doing all of my

background research and , my own

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personal proof of work, , during COVID.

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And when I did all that, , I started,

I told myself, cause I, I pushed myself

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quite a bit and I said, okay, in six

months, you're going to be on that stage.

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You're going to get enough.

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You're going to know enough to get

enough confidence to where they invite

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you up to be a speaker and cafe Bitcoin.

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And I got there and I did it.

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I was so interested cause I was lit.

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I would look like I was obsessed with it.

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I was on clubhouse 24 seven, no matter

because it was COVID anything else to do.

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, and then, , through Clubhouse, then

I'd go into Black Bitcoin Billionaires

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and then I heard Justin Redrick talking

once about his Bars to Bitcoin book,

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about how he came out of prison and how

Bitcoin, enhanced the quality of his life

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and gave him confidence and motivation.

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And I'm like, , I like this guy.

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He's really smart.

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He's really nice.

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And I can't believe what he's doing.

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Bitcoin helped him turn his life around.

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Like, how can that be?

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So I started thinking about it.

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And at that time I was pretty active in

Rotary Club with the exchange students.

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And so I was like, you know what?

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The Rotarians, it's kind of

humanitarian organization.

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They would love Justin's story.

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So I just reached out to him on

Clubhouse and said, Hey, would you

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be willing to come do a virtual?

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Presentation of my Rotary Club and

he's like, yeah, so he did that and

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then we just kind of kept in touch.

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I sent him a copy of my book and I'd

wake up some mornings and he'd send

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me text messages of screenshots of

where he circled something in my book.

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Oh my god, I didn't know about this.

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This is a great saying.

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Thank you.

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So we kind of just

stayed in touch that way.

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And then in March.

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So I worked for a Silicon

Valley tech startup.

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You know, you work for a tech startup,

and the goal is to get sold, right?

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So I knew it was coming.

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And of course, big fish hit the

little fish, I went over to the

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big organization and they don't

need any more executive leaders.

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They've got executive leaders,

, but they're like, Oh, we're

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not going to lay anybody off.

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And then, six months later,

they lay off 95 percent of us

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that came into the acquisition.

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So in March, I lost my

job, this past March.

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And I'm like, what do I do now?

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, what do I do?

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and so I called Justin and

I was talking to Justin.

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I'm I'm like, Hey, I lost my job.

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Let's do , what do we want to do?

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Like we just start talking and he

was telling me about everything

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he's been through and we just kind

of worked together and decided that

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we wanted to start a nonprofit.

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I decided that I really only

wanted to be around Bitcoiners.

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I only want to talk about Bitcoin.

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I wanted to be surrounded, , by Bitcoiners

and just kind of my people and we were

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aligned , from a value perspective,

we're aligned, , with our values.

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So that's why I decided to do it.

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And, and there's another thing,

and I tell this story often.

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But really, really the

truth of what happened.

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Okay.

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Here's the okay.

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Here's the wizard behind the curtain.

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, in December of 21, my daughter and I went

to visit my, I was living in Chicago.

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My daughter and I went to visit my sister

in San Diego, and we get home to Chicago.

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And I've been to San Diego like

a week, you know, beautiful,

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beautiful weather and everything.

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And we get back and it was just snowing

like heck in Chicago and I had a, two and

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a half hour drive home, white knuckling it

all the way, thinking, oh God, don't kill

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both of us, you know, on the drive home.

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We get home and I hadn't been home for

a week and I get out of the car and I'm

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like, okay, let me go check the mail.

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So I'm walking down the driveway and

I fall, hit my head, break my phone.

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And check the mail and I went in

the house and I just had a bloody

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meltdown and something hit me.

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I started screaming.

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I'm like, I'm done.

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I'm done.

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I'm done.

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I'm moving to Vegas.

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And my daughter's like, she's

23 or she's 22 at the time.

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And she's like, What?

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You're moving to Vegas?

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I think I have a concussion.

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I don't know.

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I'm moving to Vegas.

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It's like, Mom, we just

got home from the airport.

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Like, what are you talking about?

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And, , I said, let me do some research.

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Cause I'm not really, I don't

think I'm really a spontaneous

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person, too spontaneous.

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I'm like, I'm very thoughtful

and planned about what I do.

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, so I said, let me do a lot

of research over the weekend.

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I said, I'll tell you by Monday.

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And of course I dug in on the weekend.

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And then on Monday I said, I'm moving.

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I said, I'm moving to Las Vegas.

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I figured finances out.

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I did everything.

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And I said, I'm going and I really

because I could feel I feel like

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our company is going to get sold.

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I was I had my full time job at the time.

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I was leading a solution consulting

team at the time, a global team.

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And I could just feel it coming.

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So I told my daughter said, okay, by the

end of first quarter, I'm out of here.

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And I lived that house 25 years.

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So I sold my house at the top

of the market, flew out to

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Vegas, found a rental property.

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Transcribed And moved here April 1st.

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So my best friend helped me sell

90 percent of the stuff in my home.

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So I freed everything up, sold

everything, moved to Vegas.

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My daughter graduated from college in May.

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I moved here in April last year.

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She graduated in May.

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And she's like, Can I

move to Vegas with you?

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I'm like, I don't care.

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, come on.

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So, yeah, so now I live with my daughter

and she lives here and it's so fun.

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I started the Vegas Bitcoin

Meetup here as well, I often say

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that I did not pick Vegas Vegas

picked me, Satoshi came to me.

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I fell got a concussion or something

hit my head and Satoshi, moved

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the puppet strings and said sell

your house move to Vegas go on on

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bitcoin So I say it wasn't my choice.

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I was driven I don't know

what do I honestly don't know.

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It was just a passion and everything.

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I felt I've been going through

the past year and I did it and my

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family and friends were in shock.

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They're like, what?

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So I'm shocked a little bit,

but I'm living my dream now.

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Tali: What a fun story.

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I'm glad you're okay.

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Cause you know, falling

on ice, that's no joke.

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, okay.

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So I'm, I have several questions.

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, so you studied really hard.

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, you were in clubhouse 24 seven, and

you're reading every single book that

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people recommend you get on the stage.

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What was your first?

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Speech about

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Stacey: Well, I didn't really speak.

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It was just getting invite.

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They can bite you up.

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, And I never had the

courage to raise my hand.

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I was just listening and learning.

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And then finally I got the courage.

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I don't think I would even raise my

hand very often in the beginning.

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Cause that's very intimidated.

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I knew nothing about this at all.

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It was like zero.

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So I started getting more and more

confidence when I was listening to

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podcasts, reading books, listening to

Guy Swan, reading, just everything,

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everything, all I can consume.

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I was just insane.

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And so then I got enough confidence

to go up and ask a question.

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Then I started listening and learning.

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Then when I would test myself, when

people would go up and ask questions, I

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would answer their question in my head.

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And when I got to the point where

I could answer their question, I'm

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like, I can go on the stage now.

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So then I felt okay.

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I felt knowledgeable enough.

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And actually when I first moved to

Vegas, I needed my own proof of work,

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you know, because I went through

the traditional education system.

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You get a degree, , that's

your proof of work.

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Well, so, I was like, how do I really

know how much I know in Bitcoin?

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And so I went and took the

certified Bitcoin professional exam.

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Of course, so I studied for that and I

did learn quite a bit But I was really

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proud of myself because I knew most of it.

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There's some little fine details I

didn't know but by studying I got it

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And so i'm happy to say i'm a certified

bitcoin professional and I told just

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and I said that's my does my own

personal proof Of work for myself.

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So that's my degree

for my bitcoin learning

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Tali: okay.

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So when you first heard about Bitcoin,

I know that you were listening to

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Justin's life transformation testimony.

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Was there any time when you were

listening to him speak when you

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thought to yourself that can't be real?

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Like, that sounds too good to be true.

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Stacey: Yes.

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And actually when I heard Justin was not

the first time I heard about Bitcoin.

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So I'm Gen X generation, right?

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The first time I heard

about Bitcoin was Silk Road.

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So I was like, when I heard about

Bitcoin was, 11, 12, between

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11, 20, 12, something like that.

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And I'm like, that is disgusting.

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That's criminal.

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That Ross Albrecht, he should go to jail.

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These people are bad, bad, bad.

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Good.

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They all got caught.

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And anything I heard about

it, I would like to shut down.

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I'm like, nope, nope, nope, bad, bad, bad.

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What do you, I was so busy.

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I wasn't paying attention.

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I just knew I didn't like

what they were doing.

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all the stuff going on with Silk Road.

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So I was, I just shut it out.

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I'm like, it's horrible.

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Cafe Bitcoin was what opened my eyes.

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Like I said, I have a growth mind.

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So I said, listen, I'm like,

these people sound normal.

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They don't sound like criminals.

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They sound like normal people

and they're passionate.

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And so I started learning.

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Then I'd go to the black

Bitcoin billionaires.

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I'm like, what is this about?

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You know, and I'd learn

more and more and listen.

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And so I changed my perspective from

what I thought earlier about Bitcoin to

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falling in love and being an advocate.

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And now Orange Pilling

Businesses in Las Vegas about it.

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So

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Tali: so what is your nonprofit about?

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Stacey: Justin and I, May 12.

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Of 2022, we became a legal

entity in the state of Nevada.

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And the reason May 12th is an important

day was because that was the day

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that Justin was released from prison.

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I don't know if you're know who Justin is.

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He's sort of an OG in the space.

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, he went to prison when he was.

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I think 21.

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He was in prison for

three years, 21 to 24.

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, and he's been, he was incarcerated.

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He's been through homelessness,

college dropout, pretty rough life.

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And he gets out and discovers Bitcoin.

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, he's a young black man, cannot get a job.

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He can't do anything.

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He applied to wash dishes,

moving companies, right?

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Everything.

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He could, nobody would hire him.

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He was desperate.

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For money, and he did not want

to go back to a life of crime.

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He, he didn't want to do anything

illegal because he doesn't have

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to learn that lesson again.

566

Right.

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So, , so he, that's when he discovered

Bitcoin ... so Justin actually went

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to Empowerment Gideon Powell in Texas

invited him to the Empowerment Conference,

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which is about Bitcoin mining, and he

discovered that the miners are really

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need employees, they need workers.

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The halving's coming, there's a sense

of urgency, and, , he said, I've been

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thinking about this project, , he wrote

the book, From Bars to Bitcoin, and he

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sent me his book, and I read it and loved

it, and by the way, his book is very good.

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, it's really inspirational as well.

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, So I read his book and everything.

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, and then he said, they really

need, miners really need employees.

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And he's like, I think these people

that get out of prison could be

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employees, , for these mining companies.

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So we just noodled on a little

bit, thought about it and dug in.

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And then we really decided that

this is what we want to do.

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, so we designed a, , called From Bars

to Bitcoin Reentry Tour and what

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we do is we go into prisons across

the US, and we go into prison and

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I built a whole program, right?

584

We go in and we teach them

Bitcoin basics, just Bitcoin 101.

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101, and that's because in the prison we

can really only use paper based materials.

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Really?

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I mean, we're not going

to teach them mining.

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I can't get an A6 in the prison, right?

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It's not going to happen.

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Someday it will, but today it can't.

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So we've got a whole conceptual

project, , that we built out.

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And I told Justin, I said, look, there's

so many assets, , learning assets

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and educational assets in the space.

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We don't need to recreate,

create the wheel.

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I don't need to sit here and build

out a whole curriculum for us.

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So we just started looking around.

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We pulled like, , the, , me

premier Bitcoin from El Salvador.

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Open source.

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They're using it to educate

the students in El Salvador.

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I'm like, oh my gosh, I

grabbed that looked at that.

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I'm like, oh, there

are big chunks in here.

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We can use.

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the average reading level

of people incarcerated.

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It's like 4th grade.

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So we got to keep the

reading level pretty low.

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We've got to simplify.

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We have to boil down.

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So complex topics.

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So we go into prisons and the

program that we designed, we

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essentially start talking about money.

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What is money?

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And one of the great things, and

Justin's just so brilliant, one of

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the ahas that he had and that he

brought to me is that these people

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that commit crimes, most crimes are

committed for financial reasons.

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You rob, you sell drugs, you

prostitute, you do a lot of things

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and use it for financial reasons.

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And then you waste your precious

time on this planet, sitting in

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prison while the currency you

committed the crime for is debasing.

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You get out!

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, and the dollar's not the same

value as the ones you went in for.

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You lost ten years of your life, , for a

ten cent, eight cent loss in the currency.

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Stop doing that.

623

Quit doing that, people.

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Right?

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So that's the wake up call that

we go in prison and we talk about.

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And these people have

big ah hahs, , about it.

627

For instance, we were in prison.

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He was, like, he was in

a prison September 9th.

629

And there's a guy said, oh, yeah,

I mined Bitcoin for four years.

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I'm like, some of these people will

have more Bitcoin than we do all,

631

put together probably they mine it.

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And there are people who have no

idea what in the heck it's about.

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. So our goal is we have three

strategic goals to the program.

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And the reason we set the

nonprofits, because Jess and I

635

both believe we want to be super

transparent about everything we do.

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And when I built that website.

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I put everything out there.

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We have the impact blueprint to show how

we're measuring the that's the trademark.

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I have how we're measuring the

impact of what we're doing.

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, so we're just like.

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Plugging along, and we're

going to be very transparent.

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I told you a minute ago that I'm

doing the survey analysis from the

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satisfaction survey I designed.

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And so we're collecting data.

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We got a 30 day survey going

out to the inmates as well.

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So, we just decided we want to

be transparent what we're doing.

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And we've got big plans to go into

many prisons private facilities,

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and we thought we're using a, like I

said, there's so many great assets out

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there we're using a partnership model.

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So I say that we work in the

intersection of Bitcoin and reentry.

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So reentry is relatively new.

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So what that's doing is helping

people who are leaving the prison

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system or correctional facilities,

reentering them into society.

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So this is where we're helping

them with that transition.

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So our program has three strategic

goals, which is outlined on our

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website and in our impact blueprint.

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And our goals with the program, one

is to increase Bitcoin awareness.

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With this targeted population in the

facilities to is to, , help people, , give

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them hope and motivation because when

you have hope and motivation and yes, I

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can measure hope and motivation when you

have hope and motivation, this will stop

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this generational poverty mindset that

people have when their eyes are opened.

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, and they're aware of things of

what's going on in your own behavior.

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I often think and talk about that

meme of the one fish talking to other

664

fish and says, Hey, how's the water?

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And the fish like, what water?

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That's I felt like I would

that fish all these years.

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I was like, what water?

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What system?

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I'm doing what I'm supposed to do.

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And these people are doing the same

thing, so we're opening their eyes to

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that, so we're giving them hope because

that will stop the cycle of poverty

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thinking, they'll talk to their friends

and family, and all that, and our goal

673

is to also reduce the recidivism rate.

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, , so they don't go back to prison,

quit committing crimes, selling

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drugs and whatever you're doing

for money that's debasing year over

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year, , day over day for that matter.

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And then our third goal is to,

, offer skilled and credentialed

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employees to, , right now we're

focused on mining employers because

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there's a big sense of urgency.

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So we're giving these people

quick, , Trying to get them job

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placement very quickly and the Bitcoin

ecosystem if they want to go on.

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We've got two pathways I set up now

they can go a Bitcoin mining pathway

683

or just like kind of a generic Bitcoin

pathway if they want to do marketing

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accounting Learning and development

whatever they want to do We want to

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get them place them with the Bitcoin

employer or somebody where they can

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focus on Bitcoin So those are the three

strategic goals we have with the program.

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So that's one, we have one

initiative, we've got other

688

initiatives listed on our website.

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I've got a blue sky initiative to you

know, in Vegas, the reason why I

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moved here because Vegas is the number

one tourist destination in the U.

691

S., number five in the world,

40 million people a year.

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And I'm like, that's 40 million,

that's 40 million mouths, 80

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million eyeballs, assuming everybody

has two eyes, who knows, right?

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And I'm like, This, we've

got a multiplier effect.

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We've got a network effect, knock

on, whatever, that we can drive here.

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Because when you go to Vegas, when you

come to Vegas, it's all about money.

697

It's about fiat.

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You know you're going to spend money,

you know you're going to waste money,

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you know you probably could win money.

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It's all about money.

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And I want to get Bitcoin.

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You know, the initiative on the website is

to weave Bitcoin into human consciousness.

703

And people that come to Vegas, if

they get off and see a billboard

704

about Bitcoin, a big black billboard

with an orange B, what is this?

705

And then everywhere they see

Bitcoin accepted here stickers

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in Vegas, they're going to go back home.

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And talk to their friends

and family and there you go.

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And so that's raising awareness.

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So that's why I started, , this Vegas

Bitcoin meetup now, , to do that.

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The Vegas Bitcoin meetup is

my side hustle and the Bitcoin

711

transformation community is my day job

712

.

We're, we're, we're self funded, you know, we're, we're doing this all on our own,

713

we're applying for grants and all that.

714

So every little donation we get,

we've got, , the bars, the Bitcoin

715

project on Geyser right now.

716

So our expenses mainly are around

travel, ? We've got to fly Justin

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to Maryland, to Washington, Nevada,

California, wherever to go in these

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prisons and, and stay a night.

719

So our expenses are mainly around travel.

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, so that's how we're doing the nonprofit.

721

A couple other initiatives and

everything's listed on our website.

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So I encourage people to go

visit our website, Bitcoin

723

transformation, community.

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org.

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Tali: Well, you sound like you're on fire.

726

Very, very infectious.

727

wonderful, wonderful work.

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I'm curious about how things are going,

how the inmates are receiving this.

729

Stacey: You know, it's really interesting.

730

Like I just told you, I was just doing

the survey analysis a minute ago, and

731

the comments are really interesting.

732

Most people are very excited, and

what just, and I'm, you know what

733

we're getting a lot of comments?

734

The session was too short.

735

We wanted more.

736

Come back, come back.

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And when Justin got home, he told me

that the staff from the correctional

738

facility sat in his sessions,

and they wanted him to come back.

739

They're like, whoa, they learned a lot.

740

I didn't even think about that.

741

When we designed this, I didn't even

occur to me, I was just thinking about

742

the inmates, the incarcerated people.

743

, so yeah, so I'm learning, this is, I

never did any work with correctional

744

facilities, I've never been to prison

a day in my life, I, I say yet.

745

Because, I might get pissed off

about something and end up in

746

prison someday, I don't know.

747

But, , I haven't been in prison yet and

Cardell, our re entry partner, he was

748

incarcerated for like 16 years, I think.

749

, , he and Justin, we were talking

one day and they're like, okay,

750

Cardell, so you're not in state?

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I said, nope, I am not going

into a facility, I'm scared

752

to death, not happening.

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And Cardell said, well, because

you said that, you're going in.

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So I'm getting, the peer pressure

is pretty heavy on me right

755

now, so I'm gonna suck it up.

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I'm gonna go in.

757

I'm scared to death, but you

gotta face your fears, right?

758

So, I'm gonna go in with them, , someday.

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I gotta decide when, but I don't

know if I'm more scared to go in

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the men's or women's, honestly.

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Tali: do you think that the biggest

obstacle for these inmates to get

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over when they come out is their

scarcity mentality, which you're

763

trying to correct with Bitcoin?

764

Stacey: No.

765

No, the biggest problem

is they need money.

766

You know, you think of Maslow's

hierarchy, basic needs, they need food.

767

They may have families out there,

elderly parents, , they've got

768

to take care of themselves.

769

They need food, they need

food, clothing, shelter.

770

You have to have USD to do that right now.

771

They need a job to get some money.

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They're not in a position

to save so they need money.

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We got to get them a job.

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Once they get money, some

dollars to live and survive, then.

775

They'll and if they're living and

breathing in the Bitcoin ecosystem,

776

they're, they're going to be Bitcoiners.

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I'm not worried about that at all.

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It will happen.

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, but it's not their mindset

because , they're open to change.

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Many of them are, and if they're

not, they're going to end up back

781

in prison anyway, because after five

years, the recidivism rate in the U.

782

S.

783

is 77%.

784

So we gotta stop this.

785

In five years, if you're

incarcerated, when you get out,

786

77 percent of people go back.

787

Justin just made his nine year mark.

788

That boy's not going back to prison.

789

, not under my watch, it's not happening.

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He's not letting it happen anyway.

791

He's just amazing.

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So he's an inspiration to everybody, And

I think if we can get its basic needs

793

met and get them out of the cycle that

they've been in, the biggest challenge,

794

I think, for everybody in Bitcoin,

everybody, myself included, is unlearning.

795

It's what we learned.

796

It's what we knew.

797

I've been groomed.

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I've been the fish in the water,

not knowing what water is.

799

I didn't know I was in this horrible

treadmill feeding the government

800

and everything my whole life.

801

Now I've become that old man,

that get off my lawn old man.

802

I'm so mad about everything right now.

803

I'm mad at what I've done and what I

didn't do and the quality of life I

804

didn't lead that I should have led.

805

Tali: Okay.

806

So other than, , changing your

professional life, , What are you

807

noticing after entering the Bitcoin

space that you were not aware of before?

808

And how has that changed the

practicalities of your life?

809

Not necessarily the viewpoint,

but the practicalities?

810

Stacey: Yeah.

811

I'd say, all pointed

out Bitcoin is happy.

812

I did it.

813

I love it here.

814

I've noticed that, I'm a little less

happy here than I thought that I would be.

815

And part of the reason is

the gender reason, when you

816

listen to Twitter spaces.

817

People aren't really nice to women.

818

A lot of times the way they treat women.

819

And I never really looked

at things like that.

820

So I was just always pretty confident,

secure in my skills and what I could

821

do and what I bring to the table.

822

I know what I bring.

823

And I know my strengths.

824

I know my areas of improvement.

825

, and I'm pretty and I'll be

very transparent about that.

826

But I walked into an

industry where I'm unknown.

827

I'm not a thought leader.

828

I wasn't, I'm a thought leader

in my space and I've been in that

829

space 25 years and I came here.

830

I'm a nobody.

831

Justin's the thought leader and

Justin's the influence in the space.

832

I have no problem stepping back.

833

And let him drive that.

834

But even I noticed, I told Justin,

I said, watch, when we get on calls,

835

some of these guys, , when you talk,

they listen and they'll ask me a

836

question, but they don't listen to me.

837

They'll say, Oh, Stacy,

tell me about something.

838

And then I'll tell them

no follow up, nothing.

839

I can see their eyes are dead.

840

Their brains aren't thinking.

841

They turn to just, okay,

Justin, what about this?

842

, they're engaging Justin.

843

They don't engage me.

844

And I've experienced it many times.

845

And we'll get on calls right

before you get on the call and

846

I'll say, Jesse, watch, watch.

847

This is what's going

to happen on this call.

848

And he's like, damn, you're right.

849

You're right.

850

Exactly what happens.

851

I call it every time

and I don't like that.

852

It's not nice.

853

So I think again, I don't

really, it's nothing personal.

854

It's nothing personal against me or women.

855

I think it's again,

that fish in the water.

856

They don't know they're doing it.

857

They're not aware and they don't

really care that they're doing it

858

because nobody's called them out.

859

everybody, every freaking buddy

brings value to the table.

860

I don't care who you are.

861

I always say, I can make

conversation with anybody.

862

I can find something in common with

anybody in this world, on this planet.

863

Either we like tacos, we like Bitcoin.

864

We like true crime, whatever it is.

865

I can find something to

come with everybody cause

866

you're another human being.

867

And I want people to start thinking

about that because what women say is

868

just as important as what a man says.

869

And we are just as smart.

870

We put in just as much work, if not more,

because we're climbing uphill battle.

871

I mean, the scars I have through my

corporate life, you would not believe.

872

So it's, sexism and ageism, I'm

experiencing right now, and it's no fun,

873

it's no fun, and I don't deserve it,

and nobody deserves it, so I just would

874

like this field, , and it's new, right?

875

It's kind of a new industry, new

space, but it has been dominated by

876

white men, and we need to be aware

of that, and we need to bring value.

877

When international people get on Speak,

people kind of don't listen to them.

878

Americans don't really listen to them.

879

I see it.

880

I hear it in their voice and it's not

right because we're missing opportunities

881

and we don't want to be like that.

882

Tali: I guess I see it

slightly differently.

883

The reason I started this

podcast is because I feel like

884

there is a void that isn't met.

885

When I traveled with Scott, and by the

way, he To OrangePillMe, he created a

886

Bitcoin mining game, which I think maybe

you guys can use when you go into the

887

prisons because everything is paper.

888

It's cardboard.

889

It's a tabletop Bitcoin mining game

that Scott created to orange pill me

890

because , I'm not a technical thinker.

891

I think very much by feel and emotion.

892

And, uh, and he created this game to help

me understand what Bitcoin mining is.

893

When he finally orange pill me

and I was 100 percent in Bitcoin,

894

we started traveling to different

Bitcoin meetups to share this tool

895

and we see it as a bridge builder

between Bitcoiners and their families

896

because there are a lot of Bitcoiners

that are alone in their It's great.

897

Intimate social circle.

898

They're the only one.

899

And so we see as a conversation

opener as a bridge builder.

900

So we bring it all over the place

traveling up and down the East

901

Coast, mostly to share this tool.

902

And what I noticed was that at a lot of

the gatherings, Bitcoin gatherings, Men

903

outnumber women, maybe four to one,

sometimes five to one, and there are some

904

women who, , when I have conversation

with them, tell me that they feel very

905

uncomfortable being that space, not

necessarily in the way that you perceive,

906

but just that they feel Like they don't

belong everybody's very friendly.

907

Everybody's very welcoming, but

the conversation style is very

908

masculine and women talk differently.

909

in general, we like the warm and fuzzy.

910

We want you to ask how our week

has been, not just let's sit down.

911

Let's talk about the topics are listed.

912

Let's talk about technology development

and let's talk about politics.

913

Like, I want to know how your

week was, how did you feel, what

914

happened in your life kind of thing.

915

And I see it as like a whiskey and cigar

versus tea and biscuit kind of difference.

916

And so I just felt, and , a lot of

podcasts are also hosted by men.

917

And they have a very

particular communication style.

918

And so I just felt like, women

need women's space for us to

919

speak openly about how we feel.

920

, I feel like Bitcoin hyper Bitcoinization

must involve more women for it to happen

921

because we have influence over the

next generation just by the amount of

922

hours that we have for them, because

most families still the men work more.

923

outside the house and women

more inside the house.

924

That's why I created this podcast.

925

And in terms of international exposure

and talking to people who travel in and

926

out, I guess I haven't noticed what you

noticed, but I can see how some people

927

might be unaware of how they come across.

928

So yeah, awareness for sure, , would be

really helpful, but I see people just.

929

You know, you and I will vibe

differently with different people

930

and that's a, that's an energy thing.

931

It's not even a conscious decision.

932

It's just.

933

We vibe with people that we

feel connected to, right?

934

And so perhaps that plays a part here,

but yeah, I, I definitely think that

935

awareness, , would be important.

936

Stacey: Yeah.

937

And I, another example is like

the over talking women, right?

938

They'll let men finish, but they over talk

women a lot, , and I think in some ways

939

you and I are kind of different, right?

940

I think I've just been in

the corporate world so long.

941

I have more of those masculine traits.

942

I don't need you to ask me how my day.

943

I'm ready to sit down and talk about what

in the heck did this mean on the news?

944

What did I read?

945

, that's the first thing

I start talking about.

946

I'll sit down at the meetup.

947

I'm like, I can't open a bank.

948

Nobody will open our account because I

got Bitcoin in the name of my business.

949

What am I going to do?

950

Like I start, and they're like, Oh my God.

951

Okay.

952

What bank did you go to?

953

So the meetup was really kind of helping

me figure some of that stuff out.

954

, cause I'm just type a about that.

955

And yeah, I guess in the corporate

world, you know, as a female, I've

956

just kind of learned that my emotions

and feelings had to take a back

957

seat for me to thrive in that space.

958

And so it made me come off

as, it can be more aggressive,

959

because I know what I want.

960

I know what I need to do and I know

what the end goal is and I'm going to

961

get there and you're really not going

to stand in my way because if you do.

962

You know, I had my best friend once

said to me, she said, , if there

963

were a nuclear war when all the dust

cleared, it'd be Stacy walking out

964

carrying four people on her back.

965

She's like, you are a cockroach.

966

You'll survive anything and

you'll pull everybody through it.

967

And I was like, Oh my God, is that Hans?

968

Receive is like, yeah, it is.

969

And I'm like, oh, okay.

970

So I'm softer and fuzzier now than I used

to be, but I used to be pretty darn bad.

971

So I'm better now.

972

I'm more humane now than I used to be.

973

Tali: But again, there are going

to be people who relate much more

974

to you than somebody else who

might be very warm and fuzzy.

975

So, yeah, that's our space.

976

we are just filled with.

977

Regular human beings and regular human

beings are all very different and

978

that's good, It's good we have someone

like you and it's good that we have

979

someone who's the opposite of you.

980

So

981

Stacey: Yeah, my daughter's more like you.

982

She's Taught me a lot.

983

She's taught me a lot to calm down

and focus and live in the moment.

984

I changed a lot because of her.

985

And this has been a great influence.

986

And I think , it's definitely

made me a better person.

987

It's made me better to be around.

988

I'll tell you that much.

989

Cause I was like

corporate leadership mode.

990

Let's go.

991

Tali: Type a plus plus Okay, so what would

you say to someone a woman who is Bitcoin

992

Stacey: about purchasing Bitcoin

or getting the Bitcoin space,

993

Tali: either one

994

Stacey: gEtting in the

space, a hundred percent.

995

, do it.

996

I don't get my feelings hurt that easily.

997

I'll get worked up about

stuff, but then it's over with.

998

But what I like here is this

is really a new space, right?

999

It's uncharted territories,

and it's really fun.

00:47:18,865 --> 00:47:22,475

What Jus and I are doing, nobody's

telling us we're doing it right or wrong.

00:47:22,735 --> 00:47:25,255

We're doing what we think

is the right thing to do.

00:47:25,585 --> 00:47:29,825

His experience and my experience, we

have the skills, the capability, and

00:47:29,825 --> 00:47:33,775

the connections to make this happen,

and we're doing it the way we want.

00:47:34,345 --> 00:47:35,335

We don't have a boss.

00:47:35,745 --> 00:47:37,385

The boss we have is Satoshi.

00:47:38,055 --> 00:47:41,385

So, we've got the Bitcoin

ethos, it's on our website.

00:47:41,615 --> 00:47:44,415

As long as we adhere to

our ethos, we're good.

00:47:45,135 --> 00:47:46,965

And, I love it.

00:47:47,027 --> 00:47:49,268

this treating women thing

is worse probably in the

00:47:49,268 --> 00:47:50,538

corporate world than it is here.

00:47:50,798 --> 00:47:54,188

The stuff I've had to deal with , but

I think it's a great place to be.

00:47:54,408 --> 00:47:56,348

It's really fun, it's exciting.

00:47:56,828 --> 00:47:58,098

, so, I encourage women.

00:47:58,138 --> 00:48:01,803

And we need Female mindset in

here we just need diversity.

00:48:01,813 --> 00:48:03,663

That's all when we're

building on our board.

00:48:03,663 --> 00:48:06,923

I'm like we need some diversity I

don't want to look at myself in the

00:48:06,923 --> 00:48:09,983

mirror all day That's not going to get

us anywhere here suck our own exhaust

00:48:10,393 --> 00:48:14,643

isn't going to be good , so definitely

get into the space and invest in

00:48:14,643 --> 00:48:17,303

bitcoin, , one of the main inspirations,

00:48:17,403 --> 00:48:21,623

part of the reason why Bitcoin

resonated with me was my best friend.

00:48:21,893 --> 00:48:24,843

I've got a few best friends, but one of

my best friends is a woman from India.

00:48:24,986 --> 00:48:31,626

Mid 40s and when she was in her early 40s,

we find out that, she had an arranged

00:48:31,626 --> 00:48:33,526

marriage at 19 years old in India.

00:48:33,886 --> 00:48:38,546

So her mom sold her off, moved

to America, married a 26 year old

00:48:38,556 --> 00:48:40,366

Indian man, , when she was 19.

00:48:40,396 --> 00:48:42,426

So essentially, you know,

this man raised her.

00:48:42,546 --> 00:48:43,276

She was 19.

00:48:43,526 --> 00:48:47,436

she did the, stayed at home, be , the

wife, have the kids and all that.

00:48:47,656 --> 00:48:53,766

We find out when she's like in her early

40s that, he's an alcoholic and a lot of

00:48:53,776 --> 00:48:58,476

fraud, like used her name on the credit

cards, took all this debt under her name.

00:48:58,906 --> 00:49:01,746

And he ended up being hospitalized

because he was going to die.

00:49:02,046 --> 00:49:03,696

And the mom from India flies over.

00:49:03,706 --> 00:49:05,486

This guy's like 45 years old.

00:49:05,836 --> 00:49:08,666

The mom from India flies over and

gets him, takes him back to India.

00:49:09,156 --> 00:49:11,936

And it's been Probably eight years.

00:49:11,986 --> 00:49:13,306

They've never heard from him still.

00:49:14,126 --> 00:49:21,056

So here's this woman that came to the

country, never had a job has two kids.

00:49:21,326 --> 00:49:23,626

Her credit is totally destroyed.

00:49:24,526 --> 00:49:25,236

What are you going to do?

00:49:26,106 --> 00:49:27,726

It was devastating.

00:49:28,286 --> 00:49:32,476

So Naturally, I roll up my sleeves,

get down there, clean, literally roll

00:49:32,476 --> 00:49:35,726

up my sleeves, getting to clean up

that pukey basement that man lived

00:49:35,726 --> 00:49:40,036

in, cleaned up his house, try to get

her straight, she can't get divorced

00:49:40,036 --> 00:49:41,086

because she's out of the country.

00:49:41,436 --> 00:49:44,906

The attorneys couldn't even help her

because now she's low income, her credit's

00:49:44,906 --> 00:49:47,956

destroyed, she's got to file bankruptcy,

even though she never had a credit card in

00:49:47,956 --> 00:49:51,306

her own name in her whole life, never had

a job, it's like, what am I going to do?

00:49:51,786 --> 00:49:53,406

And I said, we're going to get you a job.

00:49:54,081 --> 00:49:57,061

She was very smart, brilliant,

like from a technology

00:49:57,061 --> 00:49:58,861

perspective, passionate about it.

00:49:59,431 --> 00:50:03,211

So we just said that she worked

for my company in the marketing

00:50:03,211 --> 00:50:05,361

department, used me as a reference.

00:50:05,411 --> 00:50:08,531

We got our job as a bank

teller, little hourly job.

00:50:08,691 --> 00:50:11,431

She got in, within two months

got promotion to manager.

00:50:11,761 --> 00:50:14,631

And then a year later, she called

me, she's like, Stacy, I passed

00:50:14,631 --> 00:50:18,931

some, I forgot, some IT certification

exams and got hired as an IT

00:50:18,931 --> 00:50:19,921

consultant in Washington, D.

00:50:19,921 --> 00:50:20,271

C.

00:50:21,356 --> 00:50:25,736

And so we packed her kids and the U Haul

up and shipped her off to Washington, D.

00:50:25,736 --> 00:50:26,146

C.

00:50:26,966 --> 00:50:32,623

And I was like, oh my God, if she had had

Bitcoin, it would have been a lot better.

00:50:33,093 --> 00:50:34,913

A lot better situation.

00:50:34,923 --> 00:50:38,843

And I know this is mild compared to some

of the international stories we hear.

00:50:39,143 --> 00:50:39,853

Mild.

00:50:40,053 --> 00:50:43,773

But that's something where I looked at

it and I was like, this isn't a savings

00:50:43,773 --> 00:50:45,613

technology like it is for the rest of us.

00:50:45,953 --> 00:50:47,213

It would have been a survival.

00:50:47,253 --> 00:50:47,993

It would have helped her.

00:50:47,993 --> 00:50:49,653

It would have given her

hope and motivation.

00:50:50,163 --> 00:50:51,093

It would make me feel better.

00:50:51,093 --> 00:50:53,673

It would save me some money, too,

cause she would have, felt better

00:50:53,673 --> 00:50:55,933

about herself, , and been able

to take care of herself and she

00:50:55,933 --> 00:50:57,683

couldn't and it was horrible.

00:50:57,963 --> 00:51:00,973

, so that's kind of the part of the

reason that inspired me to get into

00:51:00,973 --> 00:51:04,913

this and to support women and Bitcoin

because we're held back and held

00:51:04,913 --> 00:51:09,763

down sometime, not of our own doing

just because of, our circumstances.

00:51:12,423 --> 00:51:15,723

Tali: Thanks for joining us today . If

the discussion with our guests

00:51:15,773 --> 00:51:19,233

resonated with you and you would

like to dive deeper into the world of

00:51:19,263 --> 00:51:23,543

Bitcoin, don't miss out on joining the

Orange Hatter Women's Reading Club.

00:51:23,963 --> 00:51:25,683

The meetup link is in the show notes.

00:51:26,113 --> 00:51:30,133

Also, if there are women in your life

whom you think would both enjoy and

00:51:30,153 --> 00:51:34,133

benefit from learning more about Bitcoin,

please share Orange Hatter with them.

00:51:34,793 --> 00:51:36,343

Until next time, bye!