In this episode, Olympian Jamie Sale talks about her awakening and some of the challenges she has recently faced as well as what she found helped the most in moving forward in her life.

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Jamie Sale was born in Calgary and raised in Red Deer, Alberta. She began skating at an early age and moved into pairs figure skating by age twelve. Sale teamed up with her first partner in 1989 and competed in the 1994 Olympics in Lillehammer, Norway, and finished twelfth overall. Then in 1998, Sale paired up with partner David Pelletier and had a short but dynamic four-year amateur career together. Sale and Pelletier became the first pair to win Worlds held in Canada since 1984 and were also awarded the Lou Marsh Trophy as an outstanding Canadian athlete. Sale and Pelletier won Gold at the 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake City, a huge accomplishment as Canada had not earned an Olympic gold medal in pairs figure skating since 1960. Following their Olympic win, Sale and Pelletier began touring with Stars on Ice and had an incredible 10 yrs with them. They were inducted into the Skate Canada Hall of Fame in 2008 and the Olympic Hall of Fame in 2009.

Sale is an advocate for the Special Olympic movement for over 8yrs. Jamie is a proud mother of 2, son Jesse and daughter Samantha. Her and her family reside in Edmonton where she is a transformational neuroscience coach helping individuals, teams and leaders reach their full potential.

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I'm delighted to introduce you to our guest today, Jamie Sale. Jamie Sale was born in Calgary and raised in Red Deer Alberta. She began skating at an early age and moved into Paris figure skating by the age of 12, Soleil teamed up with her first partner in 1989 and competed in the 1994 Olympics in Lillehammer Norway. She finished 12th overall. Then in 1998 Soleil paired up with partner David pelchett, and they had a short but dynamic four year amateur career together, Soleil and Peltier became the first pair to win Worlds held in Canada since 1984 and they were also awarded the Lou Marsh trophy as outstanding Canadian athletes. Soleil and pelchet won gold at the 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake City, a huge accomplishment, as Canada had not earned an Olympic gold medal in Paris. Figure stating since 1960 following their Olympic win, Soleil and Peltier began touring with the stars on ice, and had an incredible 10 years with them. They were inducted into the skate Canada Hall of Fame in 2008 and the Olympic Hall of Fame in 2009 Jamie is an advocate for the Special Olympics, and has been for over eight years. She is also a proud mother of two. Her son Jesse and daughter Samantha. And her and her family reside in Edmonton, Alberta, where she is a transformational neuroscience coach, helping individuals, teams and leaders to reach their full potential.

Hello and welcome back. Oh my gosh, you've already heard her bio. You know how incredible this woman is. I am so blessed to have Janie Soleil as really, she's actually technically my first guest on the show. And so yes.

Oh, I'm honored.

Yes. Well, it has been such a pleasure to get to know you over the last few years. And, you know, having watched you when I was younger, skate on TV and watched your fairy tale story romance in news, you know, so I had this vision of, you know, Jamie Soleil and this go getter and this bright light. And when we had a chance to connect, you absolutely were that bright light. And I'm so excited to have you here today, because I know that many people need a bright light today. So thank you for being that today.

Thank you, DeeAnne.

Yeah, it's my pleasure. It truly is. And you know, Jamie, I know that you and I have really gotten to know each other quite a bit over this last little while, as you've gone on your journey. And I want to invite you to share a bit about your process, because I'm getting a lot of people coming to me and they're saying, Oh my God, I feel so lost. I feel so confused. What's right, what's wrong, what do I trust? What do I not trust? And there's a lot of fear that comes up around that. And so I want to invite you to share a bit of your story as you started to recognize some truths for yourself that process. What was that experience? Can you share?

Are we ready to go with this, because, you know, this is a very sensitive subject topic right now, but I'm, I'm happy to share it with people that are open minded, because I, I feel like what happened to me about a year ago was February. I was on, I'll tell you the exact story. I was on a phone call with my, one of my good girlfriends, out in Ontario, and we were looking at graphs of, you know, the the covid stuff from it was a Sweden graph. And I was looking at one from Google, and she was looking at one from a different site, and we were comparing notes, and it wasn't at all the same. And I said, So, where are you getting that? And, and she goes, Well, where are you getting yours? And I said, well, on Google and, and that was the end of it. And that was sort of when I started to see that there was another whole world that was reporting different news, and it made me very curious. And I've always had a bit of a curiosity mind. I've always been interested in learning different things, different views, different beliefs, obviously, sometimes with a little bit of judgment and wanting to protect myself, but I was very open, because I think intuitively, I really felt there wasn't something right. Something wasn't right about what we were living and. It wasn't that, it wasn't that we were being, you know, that I didn't believe everything. It was just I felt something was off. And so it led me down this path of, like, discovery. And I said, Can you send me stuff that you're seeing and send me all these sites that you're on and and, like, I said, or like, a minute ago, it was the end of me buying into what the mainstream media narrative was saying, and it was like, absolutely shocking to me and I from that moment and the days to come after that phone call, I was in absolute shock, and I don't even know how to explain it, like my brain was just like on fire, like I was just, I was going, Okay, I knew it. But then yet I was scared, because I thought, Well, what else are we not being told and what else are they not telling us, and what else is are they lying about? And it just went down this hole, as you say, rabbit hole, and I wanted to share it with everybody. I wanted to share it with all my friends and my family. And I was kind of in a panic state, because I'm like, You need to hear this. You need to see this. Because we're not seeing this. We're not hearing about it's being censored. These people that are speaking out are being vilified. They're being de platformed. They're being completely censored. Their their posts get taken off YouTube like immediately, yeah, and I was seeing it from my own eyes and but then I noticed very quickly. And I think some of you listening right now can relate to this, if you were also experiencing that in the last year or two, is that when you shared with people, the cognitive dissonance was so strong, so profound, that I felt like a lot of people in my world at that time did not want to hear it, and I and I understood to a point, because I too was quite uncomfortable hearing that there was a lot of misinformation, but there was something in me that was trusting what I was seeing over here. And I was like, and of course, there's misinformation on both sides. We know that, yeah, but I was trusting more of the stuff over here because I was questioning things like, why are they being censored? Why? You know, science is supposed to be debatable. Why are we not able to have a why are we not allowed to question things? Yes, and that was my red flag. And then yeah. And so I just kept sharing. And unfortunately, I did. I don't like the word lost, but I did have people in my life that were uncomfortable being around me because of my newfound beliefs and discoveries, and so I let them go with love. And you know, because we're all on our own soul journey, but in the middle of that, I was really struggling, and that's when I reached out to you, because I have, I've known you from other workshops that we've done, but I was like, I really need I felt like I had a bit of an aha moment. Or maybe it was my Spirit Guides talking to me. Maybe it was my higher like, whatever that is for you, something like, I got a download, and it was like, you need support. I was finding myself in a My marriage was falling apart, my second marriage, and I was these friendships were all exiting my my life, and so I was, I was incredibly sad and scared and confused and even sick. I felt physically ill some days, yeah, and I remember watching some of this stuff and feeling like holy like we have been, I hate the word lied to, but we have been fooled in many aspects of our life, like our whole life about history and about, like, the things that were coming on the news. And it's funny, because I never really watched the news ever, and I think that's part of why I was open minded. I wasn't bought into the what the news is saying is the truth, right? Yeah, but I did feel physically ill, and that's when I was like, I got that download of like, you need support right now, because you're not getting it from your normal home team. You know, your your tribe, and I reached out to you. Thank goodness I did, because man that sent me on a path of just incredible, discover more discoveries about myself, but also it led me to different people. Like, I love that you're such a connector, Deanne, that you really love connecting people, and even if it's not you connecting us, it's you putting us on this path of support that leads us to these people?

Yes, I love that. Yeah, thank you for sharing. Oh, no, I'm so grateful. Sometimes I connect people and I'm curious, and I want to know where that path has led them to. You know, I want to thank you for sharing that vulnerable story, because it really I don't think you're alone in this. I think there's a lot of people, a lot of people listening, that you know, have gone through this upheaval. And you know what's interesting, as I had this vision, as you were talking, and it, it kind of reminded me of, you know, the people that have been embedded in cults, and they've been raised in a cult, uh, type of community. And. And so when, when there's this poll to see outside of that cult, they do go through a strong period of cognitive dissonance. Cognitive Dissonance is not wanting to admit that, that what you've been told could be untrue, right? You know, we want to believe that what we've been taught, what we've been told is the truth. And as soon as somebody shakes that up, our minds say, Oh no, I gotta hang on to that, because that's what I was told was true. And sometimes people cling on to that for dear life, and they actually get more immersed into whatever that belief system is, and and so what a beautiful opportunity covid provided you in that it brought this to the surface. Because one of the things that stood out as you were speaking is that you started to know that truth within you, yeah, and I think that's so powerful for all the listeners. You know, it's actually, even though it might be an extrinsic or outside experience that causes you to reflect and dig into that truth. You know, we don't need to have some epiphany. We don't need to have someone say you're wrong. We can actually just simply choose to go inward, can't we absolutely cover our own truth for ourselves? That's one of the things that I have really noticed over this last a while is, you know, I'm getting told this on this side, and I'm getting told this on this side, and the fear is coming at us from both sides, if you will, and and I, I remember thinking like, oh my god, I gotta choose, like, what's right, what's wrong. And then I also had this aha, this epiphany, if you will, where I just got this message or download that said you create your own path. Yes, there is not a sides to be chosen. This is other than your own side, really. It is about choosing your truth. And so there's a piece of discernment that comes with that, and that's a bit tricky. Can you share how you've been able to discern what, what is right, what is wrong? I know this a big question, but like, what do you do in that process to know what's what, what feels right?

Oh, that was really hard. Because in the middle of me waking, I say waking up to sort of, I guess that the matrix that we were in, we're in a matrix an illusion. And I was waking up to sort of the lies, or even the truths that we weren't being told. And I had a really hard time, like there was a lot of things like, as you say, that were fear mongering on the truth side. And I knew immediately, like that we're all gonna die and that we're all done and we're all and it was like, super far right, as they say. And I went, I don't resonate with that, right? I do not resonate with that. Then I didn't resonate at all, at all anymore with the far left that were, you know, completely, I guess, oblivious, if you will, to really what was going on. And I just knew that I found my people that I would listen to and watch, whether it was a doctor or even a tarot reader that I love. Tarot by Janine out of Calgary. I just loved her. She's kind of kept a lot of us going, speaking with you, speaking with other therapists that I've worked with and for different reasons, and then that's when I think I was doing my own personal healing, because I realized that here I was as a coach, helping people through their traumas, and I knew that my trauma healing wasn't done. I don't know if we're ever really done.

Yeah, I would, I would agree, yeah. I think this is part of the journey.

Yeah. But I was working through it already when I was coaching neuroscience therapy, if you will. And I just like, I was trying to help people with their traumas, but I still was working on mine. And when I woke up to all this, I actually was like, I can't work because I not only felt physically ill based on the beliefs now that I were just like, you said, we're really, like, shattered. Like I was, I was very, was kind of like being in a dryer, like I was just like, oh, like, I was, what, what, what, what. And I but I also wanted more information. It's like I became a student of learning what we haven't been told and and then again, through the through all these sessions that I've had with my my people that I chose to work with, or that I found through you and I found through other people, that's when I that's when I felt like I had discernment, even though I was still absorbing information. Yeah, it took a while, like Deanne, you know, you've worked with me now, what, almost a year, and it's like it took quite a while, so be patient with yourself, and know that. But like, the best advice, like you've said, is to really go inward and stop listening to the noise and trust your gut, because our intuition has. Always been there. It's always been there. We just tend to not want to listen to it, because we think we're comparing our intuition with our belief system, right? That has been indoctrinated and kind of ingrained in us through television, through media, through school, even, and and there's lots of there can be good things and all of that, but in general, we know now what they've kind of been trying to do for centuries, yeah. And I, and I was waking up to that, and I was sitting back, going, wow. And you become a lot more gentle with yourself, too. And, and you work through that forgiveness part of like, it's not what was the word that I used? Like, I feel felt guilty even at times. And I'm like, done it all you did? We all do the best we can with what we know? Yes, and but it was very hard. And I'm being super honest right now, because as a coach for four years, I would didn't like to necessarily always share my my weaknesses, even though I shared a lot of my stories, but I I really struggled to apply my own work. You know what I mean? Like, I struggled being able to apply my own work, like, find the good in every day. And I was like, You know what?

Through that.

I'm freaking struggling today. This sucks. I don't like this world right now. Or I was struggling with how people were talking to me. I mean, I was actually and I think again, people will relate to this when they hear this, like I had people tell me that they couldn't be around me now because of my beliefs and because of my personal choices that I made, they couldn't just all kinds of things, and that the stories that I was told why people didn't want to be in my life anymore were so incredibly hurtful. So not only I'm waking up to like being lied to a lot of my life, or most of my life, I'm waking also up to losing or letting go of relationships that I've been, that I've been in my life for, for a long time, that I thought were like for life. So it was discernment. Took a while. It literally. Dan, I don't even know if I really had it, until maybe before Christmas, and that's when I felt like there was this. You even said, when you saw me on one of the sessions, you're like, You look different. I had this sort of inner strength and a knowingness. I just knew that I was on this path for me that was right. And I always I also tell everybody, there is no wrong and right in this, yeah, you know, there's no just because you're not awake yet, or you are awake, it doesn't make you better or worse. Everybody is on a soul journey right now, and that is one thing I'm grateful to be aware of. But what it what we have to realize is that there's been a there's been a divide in all in humanity. For a reason. They wanted us divided. And so being more awake to what's really going on is harder in some ways, because I'm looking at the people who don't want to see it, and they're typically the ones in my life anyway, that are that they're divided, like they don't want to be around certain people, yeah, and I'm like, and it's hard to want to it's hard to explain to them that this is exactly what you know they meaning. The darkness in our world has wanted. It's always about conquering, you know, divide and conquer. And if we're all divided, then it creates this, like, not A, not a war, but like, you know, just this fighting within humanity.

Yeah, and a deeper disconnect, oh, disconnect. You know, the end game is really disconnection from self, from 100% from each other, right? And so if we understand that that's the end game, then the people that can see that, they can see whatever divisiveness is showing up in the world, and they can know that that's coming and bubbling to the surface for a reason. So yes, in all of this, what we've seen is what a lot of people have thought is that, oh my god, dark is taking over, and there's all this evil and there's all this, you know, dividing and it's so bad, and all this fear. But the truth of the matter is, all of that was already there. It was just laying under the surface for us, right? And so now it's out, and we can see it. And if we see it, it gives us an opportunity to either face it, to walk through it, to use it as a doorway, a gateway, whatever you want to use it as rather than being afraid of it, rather than seeing it as this big destructive force, because we know that more and more light is being shone on the planet. We're in the Age of Aquarius, right? Yes, you know, a teacher of mine once said, she said, you know, Aquarius, the time of that is just like as though we were in a dark room. And now the lights have been turned on. And so now you can see the cracks in the wall, the dirt on the floor, the in the corner. And so that's what happens in this time. And so that's what's happening. It's all bubbling to the surface. And so some of us are moving through that in a. You know, difficult, challenging, way some of us are moving through it and seeing this opportunity. And so the truth of the matter is, we all have a choice in how we want to respond to what's happening, and we do have a choice in what we want to believe. And that is a big part of your message today. I you know you really talked about the inward, but being able to again discern, and you had to, you know, take some time with that discernment. You had to find people that felt like they were your people go through a bit of a grieving process as well, because there's more happening than we even see, and I want to share, historically, you know, the healers of the world, the people that challenged the status quo, they were condemned, they were burned, they were hung, they were beheaded. And so there's a big wave of that type of energy, especially for people who recognize they've had past lives and they've been condemned for speaking their voice. A lot of people said, I'm afraid. I don't want to speak. I don't want to I believe, because I will be shunned and I will,

Yeah, I am getting it.

Yeah, you, you've gone through it and and even though it might have been a struggle for you to go through that, or it might have been painful or uncomfortable to go through that. Would you say it was worth it?

Yes, I because I have faith that the universe, God, whatever your God is, is, is in control and is taking care of this. And it's the like I really, I do believe that, you know, I always told my clients, I said, If you believe that you can or you can't, you're right, you know. And it's the same thing with this. Like, I will totally admit that I have days where I do want to find the good and I do want to see, like I visualize where I want to be right now, even though we're in kind of this cloudiness, and it's like the world's getting rattled, and there's a lot going on, and we know sort of what this is all about. But there's days where I some, I sometimes think, like, why I don't want to be here. This is so hard. It's so hard. And I, again, I have a lot of factors that contribute to that emotion for me, yeah, but I know a lot of people feel that way right now, like it's, you know, even with the gray weather, it's really hard. But then I wake up some days and go and go, I've got this because I can visualize myself where I want to be. Yeah, we're in right now, but where I want to be. And I do trust that I know that. I think it's just again, that inner knowing, that I know that we are moving through this, and there is such a beautiful world coming for all of us. And yes, none of us truly have those. You know, someone telling us that, but, but. And then I like, I've been someone said that to me, like, well, who's telling you this? I said, Well, maybe it's just I'm getting downloads. Maybe it's just that, maybe I'm connected to source. Maybe I'm, you know, is it just that I'm trusting? I don't know what that is, but I do, I do believe that, you know, they call it earth 2.0 Yeah, and it's going to be absolutely beautiful. And they needed, we needed to go through this darkness to get to that, that greater light, even though there's always been light, yeah, but we have to clear that darkness out. It's been here for a long time.

It's coming. So we can purge it, yeah, see it. We can, and we can be the alchemist. You know, I someone said to me, they're like, Oh, I wish I had all your gifts, and I wish I was an alchemist like you. And I said, what you are? We all are. We were all created to be able to take one energy and transform it to another, yeah. And so we can take that fear, and we can move that fear into compassion. We can Yeah, and we can shift that energy. And part of that shift is what's happening right now. So yeah, seeing it at the surface level, and this covid Fear, whatever's been brought to the surface, is the catalyst for us to say, yes, okay, wait a second, what we've been doing maybe isn't, isn't working so well, exactly No, and it's really inviting us again to go inward. I love that you talked about just having faith or having a knowing, because I want to speak to this for a minute. Um, now I know that you're Claire cognizant. That's clear knowing, and so some of us have a strong gift in Claire cognizance. Now, again, we all have gifts. It just depends on our awareness of them and whether or not we choose to allow them to be part of our day. But you already have. You have a knowing, just like even if you went into your Olympian times, you knew you were going to win a medal, didn't you? You knew it.

I could see it, I could smell it, I could taste it, I could hear it, I could feel it.

You knew so you all the Claires. You were clairaudient, Clair sentient, Claire, clairvoyant. So you already have all of that, right? So, yeah, again, a lot of people have this, but they. Don't realize it. And again, they get caught up in the narrative of what someone is telling them or what media is telling them. And then they disconnect from their own knowing or their own their own understanding. And then they get stuck in the battle between kind of that head and heart space of like, yes, what do I do here? And if I do this, this this happens and and that's been a conundrum for a lot of people. And you mentioned your process in that discernment, you mentioned that you looked for people, you reached out to people, you connected with people, and you found the people that understood what you were going through, or had compassion at least from what you were going through? Yes, and so I really want that to be a key message for everybody today. Yeah, you know, if you are going through this, no matter whether it's about the covid stuff that's happening, or whether it's about you being in a relationship that's not healthy, or in a an organization that's not healthy, whatever that might be, I want to invite you to start looking for the people that speak to you, that feel aligned with you, that resonate with you, and allow yourself to build deeper connections with those people. So even though we have this invitation to go inward, sometimes that's a very scary road, and you can relate to that, can't you, Jamie?

Well, I think I when I say go inward, meaning just don't be listening to all the noise outside of you necessarily. Like when I went in, I was like, not listening to, I mean, I did take on a lot of the information I was the new information I was hearing. But then I had to kind of settle down for a while because it was overload. And then I went inwards. But with going inward, I had support. And I love that call to action that you're giving to people is like really encouraging all of you to really find that tribe or your community or your village, whatever you want to call that of people that are aligned with, you know, your newfound beliefs, or the beliefs that you want to be supported, because I do understand the fear around wanting to to move through something that isn't serving you any longer. I had it too, and I'm totally admitting this right now. My second marriage, you know, failing is you can take on the shame of that, you can take on the embarrassment of that, or you can actually see that as a lesson and and I know that it was really important to be around people who were going to support me and not necessarily say, Oh yeah, you're doing the right thing. You know, getting out of this marriage, it was more of just like around my beliefs, that my values, actually remember that was one of the first things. And I I never realized, like you said, whether it's your job or relationship or whatever in your life, it's you're gonna find now through this great awakening that we're in, that you won't be aligned with a lot of things that you're currently in, because there is this awakening, and you're gonna realize that your values aren't aligned with these things or these people or this job or this whatever. And I will say it's okay to have that fear a little bit like you, and I've talked about like you can be in that for a bit. It's not like you just avoid it and don't allow yourself to be in that. I had to go through the scary part of that, you have to enter it and hold the honor it. Yeah. And some people go, Oh, come on. I go, No, but it's part of it, and it's okay to be sad and cry or cry for days, like it's okay to go through that Yes. And if anything, it was incredibly having that community that, like we talk about creating that community and allow having them, allow me to honor that was actually really powerful for me, and that was part of my healing. It was really beautiful. And so now, like we talk about compassion. Dean, when I was waking up to things, I didn't have a lot of compassion for people. Some people in my life, I was like, you know, I was one of those people that was, like, angry and mad and not not actually shaming them in person, but in my mind, in my head. But then now something's happened through my discernment and my healing, that I've gone to a place of like, I actually feel empathetic, yes and compassionate that they're still living in fear. Like, I actually feel sad for that, for these people, that they still have this, like, you know, whether they have to lie or they have to, like, there's just scared of everything. We're not meant to live like this.

No, that's not living, is it?

That's not living. And when they find out what this was really about, that's where, like, I just want to, I want to help so bad, but you know what? It's not our job. It's not our job. I mean, we've gently tried to support people, and I will continue to do that. I will have compassion. I will be here for people, but in the meantime, what. But the best advice I got from you and from everyone else that I've worked with was that you're first. You take care of you first. And my whole life, I've been the caretaker, yes, since I was a little girl, up until being an adult now, even a mom. Yeah, right. We're always taking care of everybody else. And I'm like, you need to do the self care now, Jamie, so that that was the healing.

Yeah, I, you know, it is a journey, and I'm so glad that you spoke to like, holding space for the anger and the fear, because you're, you were going through a grieving process, and a lot of people are grieving big time right now, right? We're grieving what we thought it was. I get it the way we thought the world was going to be how we looked at the world. We're grieving all of that. And so, yeah, we're going to go through those phases of anger, yes, you know, maybe judgment, even

denial and all of it, right? Yep.

A really important message, I believe, to add to what we've shared already is, you know, people hold space for that. You know, we can still have our gratitudes every day, and we can still be optimistic. But what we have to be aware of is the idea of spiritual hijacking. And spiritual hijacking is when we don't allow ourselves to feel those feelings, those low vibration energies, and we we just block them, or we push them aside, or whatever, and, oh no, I'm happy, and everything's great. And I've got to admit too, I've woken up a few days and I've just felt like crying, no, and I might not be able to put my finger on what it is, but I recognize it as grief. You know, I don't know what the grief is from, whether it's from pre covid or whether it's from whatever. You know doesn't matter. The point is, is that when we honor and hold space, and holding space and honoring our low vibration energy doesn't mean that we're focusing and dialing in right, necessarily, and we're spending all our time in that, what we're doing is we're looking at it and we're saying, Okay, I'm feeling this grief, and it's okay. What exactly, what do I need to help this grief? What do I need to love on this grief? And I use a little bit of a an experience for people, and I'll share this as we come to you know, wrapping up again. Like I said, we're all alchemists, and so we have the ability to change and transform energy. And so when I am feeling anger or shame or whatever that low vibration energy is, I actually take my hands and I cup my hands together, okay, hold like as if I'm holding a cute little bird or a bunny rabbit. And by the way, if it's an angry bunny, yes, it has red eyes, okay, um, but I little bunny, right? Yep, little sweet, little bird, or whatever it is, then I say, Uh, hey, grief, I see you're back again. I don't know why, but if you want to tell me why, I'm listening and I can receive that message. So I engage in relationship to that energy I love, that engage in a relationship with even the low vibration energy, you honor that energy. And guess what happens? Already that grief has started to change even by saying, hey, grief, already that grief is alchemizing. It's just to another energy. It's saying, Oh, thank god she's hearing me. Thank god she's letting me be seen and heard.

See, and isn't that so important? And for us, that is one thing I've noticed this whole last year, is that I haven't been heard yet and seen like, and it's not about like, look at me performing. No. It's different. It's different. It's a different

Feeling safe enough. Yes, share your message, yes, energy, it all works the same. So an anger, it all works the same. It just wants me to hear it, and yet, so busy being like, Oh, screw that anger. Yeah, how to deal with that right now, right? So that is just a little tool for our audience. And I know of them see me, but I cut my hand. So you guys know that are listening. I just cut my hands. You can even just do the visualization. I always like to, like have the tangible, because it helps me in my logical mind, experience in but yeah, nonetheless, that has done wonders for me. It's allowed me to move into the observer space a little bit more, yeah, but it's also allowed me to receive whatever intuitive information I need to learn from that grief or that anger, because oftentimes I'll hear a message that says, Oh, well, you know you didn't deal with this particular issue when you were four, right? Or I'll get some insight of, well, this isn't how you responded to this situation. What's that about? So to lead me down into more information, and that is, I just going to keep adding to what you were speaking about. You said, you know, you've always been curious. So I'm inviting our listeners to be curious, to allow whatever is drawing you in, to allow spirit to call. Call you and be curious about what that call is, because once you start to at least take the path, it'll lead you to another, and it'll lead you to another, and it'll lead you to another, rather than you getting stuck. And that is what I think a lot of people were before covid really stuck. You know, we're stuck in the rat race. We were stuck in this certain way of living, and that has been dissolved. Now we've taken that away, or it's at least it's shifted, and yes, and is still shifting.

And so it provides this incredible opportunity for us to go on this deeper path of discovery with ourselves, to be curious within ourselves, but also outside of ourselves, and for us to really create community that supports us and and you know, one, one thing I will just add as a final note is that when we begin to recognize that what is no longer serving us fades away naturally for us, then we can move through the letting go of the people that we thought were there to stay, and we can move through whatever that experience was that we thought was there to stay because we know that it had to move on or shift for whatever reason for us and our highest good, you Know, the universe is always supporting our highest good. And I know that you know that to be true.

So, Jamie, any final kind of wrap things up for today, anything that you wish to share.

I love all of this. I just love, you know, trusting your higher self and surrounding yourself with, I've even said like minded people, and becoming the observer that is a really difficult thing to do when you're in a grieving phase, but I really think it's you're in it. But yeah, just know that whatever journey you're on right now and in a difficult situation or relationship, whatever it is you know to to continue to honor each part of that journey, because it's all there for us to learn from, right? And I even use my Olympic experience as that example too. There what that wasn't all incredible and amazing and beautiful. I had lots of really challenging, difficult times when I didn't want to, I just wanted to throw in the towel. But I what I learned, even at a young age, was to I didn't understand, you know, I didn't have that languaging that we use now of honoring those those times. Yeah, but I think that's really important. And you know, what I just again, want to reiterate is that you're not alone, whatever you're going through and whatever you're feeling, and you're not alone. And we've all there's been a lot of fear even around sharing this, because there's shame and there's judgment and no more. Like, I feel very comfortable now speaking about this, because I do get a lot of people that that say to me, Jamie, thank you for speaking out. I needed to. I needed to hear that I wasn't alone. And so for those of you that can resonate with what I've said, Deanne said, you know, we're here for you, and I'm sending you love and light and you know, and this is going to be a beautiful a beautiful world that we are moving into. So I wish everyone well, and, you know, I look forward to continuing working with you. Deanne, you have been an incredible light for me. So thank you so so much for everything you've done to help me.

It's been a delightful journey, and I am honored to walk the path alongside you, Jamie. I'm honored to call you my friend and

Sisters,

Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. And, you know, I don't know that we would have found each other had this whole thing not happened either, right? So again, we can see that silver lining. And yes, you said, you know, the journey is part of it. And if we can revel in the journey, if we can enjoy the journey and not get too wrapped up into where that journey goes, it allows us to live more fully being present. Yes, yes, yeah, we can. We can have a whole nother?

I know. I know, right? Yeah.

I almost feel like I'm like, Oh, I just want to keep going. There's so much here, but you know, I am so grateful for you. Thank you for being here. Thank you for speaking your truth and reminding everybody that they're not alone and that we are wrapping them in our love. So that's a wrap for today's episode, I look forward to spending more time with you. We've got a lot of incredible speakers coming up on when Spirit calls. Jamie, thank you for allowing spirit to call you and leaning into that journey. I'm so so happy for you, and I'm so excited for more people to hear about your story, I know it's going to have incredible impact for many, many generations to come. So we absolutely look forward to having you back until next time bye for now.

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