Another story of a wise old woman, this one from China, date unknown. This koan isn’t anthologized in the three most well known koan collections (The Gateless Gate, The Blue Cliff Record or The Book of Serenity) but it does appear in Shumon Kattoshu (Entangling Vines), a koan collections which first published in Japan at the end of the seventeenth century. Roshi explores this story in this talk: sometimes people think spirituality means cutting ourselves off from life, but that is not the Buddha's way.