Hobbs & Shaw has a climactic dawn battle that goes from pitch black to full daylight in about two minutes of screen time. Can the sun really rise that fast? We brought in actual scientist for an answer and a masterclass in using science for storytelling.

As always, we're more than a film review podcast, and this is the proof: a years-long movie argument between Cole and Jaclynn gets settled by an actual astronomer.

The Setup

Jaclynn has been saying for years that the sunrise in this scene is impossible, a jump cut from midnight to noon. Cole has spent just as long insisting she's wrong, and this episode is him finally bringing in reinforcements. As Cole puts it going in, "I don't think it's about the sunrise." It's Virgo season, and this is what a Virgo does with a grudge: proves it with data.

Meet the Astronomer

Zoe Learner Ponterio manages the Spacecraft Planetary Image Facility at Cornell, the Ivy League school where Carl Sagan spent 25 years as a professor of astronomy and which still runs a Carl Sagan Institute today. She got there after years on NASA's Mars Exploration Rovers science team, working the Spirit and Opportunity missions. She almost went to Harvard instead. Her reasoning: "I at one point just looked at the Harvard dean and said, do you have a Mars rover? He was like, no. I was like, well, I guess it's a no."

The Verdict

Zoe does the actual math: the fastest a sunrise can physically happen is at the equator on an equinox, and it clocks in around 128 seconds. At the poles, a sunrise can effectively last forever. Hobbs & Shaw is shot near the equator in Samoa, which gives the filmmakers real cover for a fast sunrise, just not one that stretches into full midday light the way the scene eventually does.

The closest thing to a ruling: Jaclynn walks the scene beat by beat, cut by cut, and catches herself mid-sentence, she'd been misreading one key shot for years, mentally borrowing the framing from an old TV show. Cole, smelling blood, sums her own argument back to her until she has to say the quiet part out loud. He gets his line for the record too, repeated three times for emphasis: "You were not wrong."

The Real Takeaway

Zoe uses science the same way the hosts use cameras and editing, as a tool for telling a story people care about. Her closing bit ties it back to the episode's own cold open: imagining what an alien visiting Earth would find remarkable about something we take for granted, in her case, the size and closeness of our moon. Her line lands the episode: "Every single film shoot should have an astronomer."

Around the Table

• Jaclynn goes in trying to prove Cole right instead of herself, and ends up seeing the sunrise shot differently for the first time in years.
• Robby never noticed the sped-up sunrise at all until Jaclynn pointed it out, and defends it from a pure craft angle: once the sun is up, the sun gets to be up.
• Cole sits on his own sunrise-shooting story from filming in the Galapagos until the very end of the debate, then finally uses it as backup.
• Zoe walks in to referee a movie argument and walks out making the case for why scientists and storytellers are sometimes doing the same job.

Subscribe If You Like The Format

This is the first in an occasional series bringing in people from outside film, people who aren't filmmakers or critics, to look at a scene through their expertise.

Chapters

• 0:00 Cold Open
• 1:31 Introducing the Astronomer
• 4:05 The Problem With the Sunrise
• 5:14 Why the Astronomer Chose Cornell Over Harvard
• 8:04 Personal Nitpicks About Film Continuity
• 12:31 When Were We In or Out
• 16:01 What You Need to Know Going In
• 20:09 The Astronomer's Problem With the Moon in Movies
• 20:50 Sketch: All-Hands Stand-Up Moon Meeting
• 22:18 How to Tell if the Moon Is Right
• 25:25 The Shortest and Longest Sunrise, a Thought Experiment
• 29:50 The Number One Thing About the Climax
• 33:20 Filming Sunrise and Sunset at the Equator
• 37:06 Science in Film
• 41:30 What Is Science Fiction (Because Star Wars Isn't)
• 46:19 What Did We Learn
• 49:38 Going Beat by Beat Through the Sunrise
• 1:01:30 The Astronomer on Storytelling

More Hobbs & Shaw

This isn't our first brawl in this particular light. Back when we just talked about the movie like normal people, before a Cornell scientist got involved, we did an episode called: Hobbes & Shaw - Virgo Season Continues with a Story Told Almost Entirely in Visuals

I like to sometimes

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imagine, what if I was an alien

visiting Earth.

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What is something that an Earthling

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absolutely took for granted that’d

really blow the alien away?

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My problem is not that...

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there's a sunrise.

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My problem is it goes from pitch

black to middle of the day.

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It, like, goes from midnight to noon,

while Vanessa

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Kirby has a literal countdown

clock on her back

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Killing me.

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You guys.

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Robby, you're going to be killing me

in a second, but I need you to say

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the last half of the last sentence

that you wrote where you said

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people should know that this is a movie

that strains credibility.

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It's a film.

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So going into the scene.

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So going into the scene,

people should know that

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it's at the end of a movie

that strains credibility.

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And this scene is no different.

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Love strains credibility.

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Great.

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Give me one more.

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Okay. The words you wrote, please adjust.

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The words are.

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Going.

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Well, I was trying to make it make sense.

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I tell you what is happening.

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Then tell me.

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Help me understand,

and I think you're wasting time.

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I tell you, we ain't going to

want to be here when this thing goes off.

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Set for 45 minutes.

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We Actually, everyone's going to die

cause I am the virus.

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my name is Zoe Learner Ontario,

and I am the manager

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of the Spacecraft Planetary

Image Facility at Cornell University.

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Cool.

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Are you going to be honest

about why you did this?

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It's mostly to prove me wrong, Zoe.

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Just so you know,

I don't know that you've been warned.

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But mostly this is a years long debate

that he went to.

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To scientists to try to prove me wrong.

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So I can't wait.

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You're

basically like my birthday present. Zoe

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Hobbs and I might ask that.

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Yeah. Ask what was the movie?

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It's Hobbs and Shaw, so, like the Fast

and the furious, Hobbs and Shaw, okay.

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And I love that movie.

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It is bonkers.

It doesn't make any sense. It's insane.

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Right? Like, And I'm in for all of it.

All of it. Right.

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But we watch it

and the the sun rises too fast.

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Not none of this movie is believable.

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I believe all of it.

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You get to the end and we have Vanessa

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Kirby strapped

with an actual clock on her counting down.

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So we know. Exactly.

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So it's not that there was like,

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oh, the battle went on for a long time,

and now it's the middle of the day.

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It's like there's a literal clock strapped

to her, which I think was added late.

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And I think that they were filming

and then they ran out of time.

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And so we this is where

we have this continuity error.

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But it's, it's basically

like the dead of night.

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They have fire torches.

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It is pitch black, dark, dark, dark.

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And then all of a sudden

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the sun's like halfway up in the sky

and she has a clock on her.

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That sounds like 23 minutes.

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And I'm like that I can't

I can't abide that.

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Like, if you're gonna bring

in the rules of reality

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I need, like,

we're not in reality in Hobbs and Shot.

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But the minute you start to bring

in reality, you give me a countdown.

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You give me real sky on that I like.

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I just, I call, I call bananas.

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So that is where this fight comes in.

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Cause like, I think you just are, like,

ethnocentric about your sunrises

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because you've been sitting in North

America all your life, thinking,

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you know, things

and maybe it's different, in the location

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because I think they're like,

yeah, they're they're at.

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Yeah, they're very.

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Very near the equator.

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So he's so he's determined to prove to me

that the sun can rise

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faster.

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We have already done

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a full episode going in-depth

about the entire film, Hobbs and Shaw,

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because it was

and is Jaclynn's birthday movie.

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This whole film is the rock

and a cadre of hyper athletic.

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I'll say hottie Patani is.

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Doing.

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Superhuman feats of strength for an hour

and 20 minutes until Jaclynn

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and I admit that I am being reductive

this year, but Jaclynn was taken

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out of the story

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that she thought It's a sequence,

not just a shot,

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and it's a sequence that goes from pitch

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dark to middle of the day in ten minutes.

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am on the side that scientifically

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part of this scene could happen.

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This level of pseudo scientific detail.

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Virgo an.

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Excuse to celebrate Jaclynn's

birthday and Virgo season writ large.

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By proving her wrong.

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Baby.

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Like the Taurus.

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Cole fucking is.

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But, you're going to get

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a breakdown

of the climactic scene of the least

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loved movie in the Fast and Furious

franchise.

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If you're looking into

the beautiful psychoses of Virgos

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and an interview about sunrises

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It's not about the sunrise.

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especially so Jaclynn and Robby know

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exactly how perfect you are

for this question.

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Can we get a little bit

of your background, please?

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Sure.

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So I originally, came here

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to Cornell as a graduate student in 2002,

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and I was on the Mars

Exploration Rovers mission

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as the Spirit and Opportunity Rovers,

the first full rover mission to Mars

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I was on the science team,

so I was part of the team that would look

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at what the rover had done and decide

what we wanted to do next with each rover.

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and then I found myself

with this mission, volunteering repeatedly

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to be part of NASA,

outreach and go visit schools

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and do radio interviews

and all sorts of public things for them.

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And And then nine years ago,

this opportunity opened up to be

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the manager of the Spacecraft Planetary

Image Facility back here at Cornell.

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And our mission is to make sure

that spacecraft data, spacecraft

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images are accessible and understandable

and contextual to everyone.

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My specialty is teaching people to do

mapping on non earth bodies,

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that's amazing.

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Zoe, I did not do my background

research, for one,

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because I would just show up

even more intimidated than I already am,

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and Cole withheld all of that,

I think knowing, but I would

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I would geek out too hard.

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So I my job is like, for those of you

who are just listening,

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my jaw is literally not literally, but

metaphorically and very much on the floor.

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if it makes you feel better.

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I had that moment along this whole path

when I was finishing my undergraduate

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and applying to grad schools,

and when I got the call from Cornell

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telling me that they wanted to offer,

you know, admission,

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I asked, well,

what would I work on if I went there?

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And it was Steve Squyres, the Pi,

the whole head of the Mars rover mission.

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And he said, well,

we're about sending these Mars rovers.

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Would you like to be part of that?

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And I really thought I remember

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was don't drop the phone

because I was just like, what?

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What did I just hear?

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You wonder if if, if,

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if in asking that question, they

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actually expect a response like,

no that's okay.

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Do you got anything else?

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Well, you know, I, I had been convinced

I was going to go to Harvard.

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I had done a summer internship there,

and that was my number one school.

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And they actually got back to me

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before Cornell

and said that I had been accepted there.

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So I was all like, okay, I'm

going to Harvard.

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That's it.

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And Cornell was the last school

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And I was like,

oh, well, wait, I at one point

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just looked at the Harvard,

dean and said, do you have a mars rover?

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I was gonna say, where's your Mars?

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He was like, no.

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I was like, well, I guess, but it's a no.

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And I went to Cornell.

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sometimes we get tied up in continuity.

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whether or not one shot

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makes sense coming after the shot

before it and the shot after that.

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what I think you should know

going into hubs, which are the movie

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or what I knew going in

to have some shot of the movie

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was that it was a spinoff of the Fast

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and Furious franchise,

and it had Jason Statham in the Rock.

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I don't think I would have said it

out of my own, but

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Jaclynn loved it,

brought it for us to watch.

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So I watched it, and going into the scene,

people should know

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that this is a movie

that strains all credibility

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And it's amazing.

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Yeah.

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If you're going to strain credibility,

strain it this way.

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Yeah. Yeah. This is the way to do it.

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It's just you can't play with the sun

like the sun is the sun.

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If you're going to use the real world.

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I'm living in the real world's rules.

Everything else is like.

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Clearly, its own world of rules.

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This is the sun.

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It's just so basic of physics.

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It's like we're the sun,

the moon, whatever planet you're on

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and whatever star you're orbiting

and whatever moon you have.

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There are illumination rules here.

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I was like,

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no, no, there's no there's some things

that just have to be true at all.

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These for This is the way

light Shines has got to be one of them.

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Just because we're talking about,

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being, like,

taken in or taken out of a story,

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how accurate do you need

the science to be in a film or TV show

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for you not to be distracted

I thought about this question quite a bit,

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and I don't think it's a firm

answer I can give, but I think it

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highly depends

on the quality of the movie.

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I think that the better the storytelling.

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I'm one of those a good story,

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if it's a TV show, characters

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you have to get me with, characters

I'm invested in with a movie characters.

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But the story's got to be good,

and I look at times where there were

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significant science mistakes,

and yet it didn't pull me out.

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It's gripping, especially as I think

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when you get into highly emotional moments

where you really have been pulled

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in, either you're very scared,

you're very excited, you're very angry.

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Whatever the case may be.

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And I think because then your brain

is focused more in the emotion center

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and not that prefrontal cortex cognitive

that I'm less likely to notice things.

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I mean, they have to be pretty egregious

before I will notice in that state.

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Yet if I'm watching a bad movie, then

I'm already sitting there nitpicking it.

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And so there are movies

that I have pretty much sat there through.

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The whole thing. Like,

so much of this is wrong.

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And not to throw

anyone under the bus of opinion.

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A great example of

this was the movie gravity.

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I think after we got home from watching

that, I talked for

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about 45 straight minutes to my spouse,

about all the things that were wrong.

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It took me that long to go through

everything that had happened.

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the only good thing I can say about that

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movie was that I usually don't

really get much out of 3D movies.

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That one,

though, was a movie to see in 3D.

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So that's about the only thing

that I can give that movie.

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But just At one point

I see things like the Earth

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is spinning the wrong direction

or the orbital.

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But the worst part,

the worst part by far, was

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when you know they're holding on to this

tether between the two of them,

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they're not moving

and there's tension on it.

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And he's like, you have to let me go.

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And I'm like,

where's the tension coming from?

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You're all floating in space

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and can trust this, though,

with the scene in The Martian

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where they're tethered together,

they're spinning.

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Yes. There,

now you've got a centripetal acceleration.

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Yes. There's going to be a lot of tension

on that line.

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So, yeah, there's always that moment,

like the moment where the movie

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completely lost me and oh my God,

that was definitely that moment.

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But so I think about like whose opinions

I care about as like a creative.

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And I feel like I could,

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I could take a lot of crap for my work,

you know, and I'd be like, that's fine.

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It's fine.

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If I heard you being like,

where was the tension?

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I would feel like I failed.

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This thing in the wrong.

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I got the wrong thing.

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Yeah.

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Robby?

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Were you in or taken in or out by

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the scene that we're discussing today?

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Yeah, I was in from the beginning

of that scene and never left.

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I was also in from the beginning

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and through the hours have specific

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and scientific reasons now to be in.

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Okay. All right.

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I'm so happy.

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I agree with you the scene goes on

far too long for it to be a morning sun.

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Post sunrise light,

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but I do think that the scene itself

could start

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in total darkness,

and then five minutes later.

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Be we could

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You can bring in all the scientists

you want and try to, like,

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get me confused because they're smart

and they're cute

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and they're saying funny things

and I don't even know how to act.

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It does not change the fact.

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That it's not a sunrise problem.

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It is a 12 hours worth of day problem.

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So you were still out.

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I mean, I love this movie.

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I've watched it three times in a row

because I even tried.

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I was like, I guess maybe

this is first light, maybe this is Dawn.

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Like I was really trying.

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I like I did see the, the,

the shot of the sun differently

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from a different perspective.

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So I was really trying to like

make it work, to prove you right.

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Cool.

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I was actually looking for ways

to prove you right.

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But that also meant that I spent.

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I'm still spending all of my time

thinking about the lighting,

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so. Yes. So I was out.

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I still love the movie.

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like, all of these way more

unbelievable things happen.

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And I'm just like, yeah, that that tracks.

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But not you, not the sun.

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What are some of the most

unbelievable scenes that come either

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before or after the scene in Hobbs

and Shaw that we love?

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The Rock picking somebody up with his one

bare arm while driving on a motorcycle.

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It's like somebody's

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like to two of them driving

and the rock just reaching out his arm

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and picking him up.

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I mean, whole plot.

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So like, Vanessa Kirby's character,

like implanting a disease

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and putting a timer on it, the like,

it'll get back out by 30 minutes.

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everything the cars do.

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That.

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They like drive

that big circle of fire around

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and like they shut down,

like the technology.

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We're just supposed to buy it

because it's a MOA.

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And then, that,

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like chain of cars that goes right, like

it's like it hooks to the helicopter

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and then it, like, chains down

and they're all trying to hold them down

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while they're, like,

spinning around the cliffs.

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I mean, there's not a believable

moment in this film.

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But. What?

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can I say one more thing.

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I'm sorry I respect so deeply

that they didn't film

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that on a soundstage, Kelly McCormick

is the greatest producer on the planet.

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She's she's a badass.

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because that's what's happening

is it's just they filmed it actually,

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like, on location using literal light.

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And that is what happens, right?

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Like it's a huge, expensive,

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crazy scene full of people and stunts

and so of course.

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And so I respect because you could control

the lighting down to the minute

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if it was on a soundstage.

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And I love that.

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It's not I love that

it's like it was clearly filmed outside.

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And also,

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I think a lot about the late.

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I wouldn't want them to change it, though.

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Going in,

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you need to know it's a it's

an offshoot of the Fast and Furious.

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I feel like that speaks volumes.

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It's not

just a best of yours is an offshoot.

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And going into the scene.

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I don't know, it's the big showdown scene.

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It's like the big showdown,

the bad guy versus the good guys. And.

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There's a countdown clock

strapped to Vanessa

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Kirby's character,

and they're going to fight to the death.

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And they're in Samoa, which I think

is important to call because.

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That's. Because of science.

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So it's in Samoa.

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Samoa is very near the equator. Yes.

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am on the side

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that scientifically part of this scene

could happen.

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The number one thing

I want to say about the sequence

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is that I didn't notice

the sped up sunrise when I first

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saw Hobbs and Shaw, because I was enjoying

the action, following along.

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I only thought about it

when Jaclynn brought it up.

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And upon rewatching it,

I still don't mind.

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I think I'd mind it

if I didn't buy into the movie,

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because I'd be busy

trying to take it apart.

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I like this movie though,

so I recognizes inconsistencies

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while giving it its leeway to do

the thing that it's doing.

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So actual question when was the last time

that each of you were like,

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either you're in or out of something

because of a small detail?

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Ted Lasso season four.

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The most recent example is Ted Lasso

season four.

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one of the women goes into the locker room

and goes exuberantly

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unlimited free tampons

and, like, does a dance.

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What man wrote that scene?

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I love an unlimited free tampon,

but we don't just go around exuberantly

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shouting it in our locker rooms

and doing dances around it. not.

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Women I know.

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I don't know if this is an example.

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I don't have an example from a movie, but.

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I saw George

Clooney do an espresso commercial.

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I love this.

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And and I was like, what the.

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What the hell is he doing?

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Doing what is George Clooney

doing an espresso commercial like?

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I will watch any commercial

and just go to the end,

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no matter how stupid a commercial is,

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I'm just like,

okay, it's a commercial, Zoe

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Saldana does like a T-Mobile

commercial, and

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I don't bat an eye,

but George Clooney does, an, like,

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an espresso commercial,

and I'm like but he's so classy.

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And. And the Nespresso machine,

it's like a pod coffee maker,

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which is the opposite of classy, And it.

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Really upsets. Me.

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I can't wait for you to hire

someone to prove Robby wrong.

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Somehow I'm off.

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coal.

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What about you? Yeah. What about you?

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I was extremely out when I was exiting

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Adam Sandler's anus.

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What is.

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01:18:59,583 --> 01:19:02,250

What is.

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Oh, interesting.

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Uncut Gems?

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01:19:07,625 --> 01:19:09,000

Oh, interesting.

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So in Uncut Gems,

there's a shot where you're Wow.

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Like how you described the sperm in

Look who's talking.

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I wasn't going to say that,

but that's even.

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Well, what are you going to say?

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What else is that?

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Something else does. Dream.

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That's right.

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I've erased that from my memory.

But that is.

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That is where I made the.

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The connection.

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The reminded me

That would really pull me out.

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01:19:34,958 --> 01:19:39,708

I would I would not expect that shot

to happen in Uncut Gems.

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Yeah.

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It's like the amount of work

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that this movie is going to do

to bring me back in is gargantuan.

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But you left it didn't you?

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In the end finally.

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01:19:49,625 --> 01:19:52,625

But A in the end.

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Nice.

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Jack Ryan I. Think.

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I would admit that I would love that,

that by.

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01:20:04,750 --> 01:20:07,750

Not me.

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01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:11,250

when we were talking,

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01:20:11,250 --> 01:20:15,291

on our intro call,

it seemed like you had a thing with moons

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01:20:15,458 --> 01:20:20,625

where you can't let go of the of the moon

in that sense.

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01:20:20,875 --> 01:20:21,166

That's why

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01:20:21,166 --> 01:20:24,333

if you could tell Jaclynn and Robby

how you feel about moons in movies.

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01:20:25,791 --> 01:20:28,125

I really don't know how this started.

407

01:20:28,125 --> 01:20:30,208

Or when it started, though.

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01:20:30,208 --> 01:20:33,208

After our call, I developed a hypothesis.

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01:20:33,208 --> 01:20:34,041

But I.

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Anyone who watches TV and movies with me

now knows that there will be this moment,

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01:20:38,833 --> 01:20:41,833

the moon will be in the scene,

and all of a sudden you'll hear from me.

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The moon is wrong The moon is wrong

The moon is wrong The moon is wrong

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01:20:46,708 --> 01:20:52,250

or. I just like, I can't not notice it.

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01:20:52,250 --> 01:20:53,375

I see a moon,

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01:20:53,375 --> 01:20:57,000

especially a moon that I can tell

is not an actual in the actual shot.

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Whether it's an animated series

or it's obviously been CGI

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01:21:00,958 --> 01:21:03,958

in whatever the case may be.

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Hi. Hi.

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01:21:12,500 --> 01:21:15,500

Hello, everyone.

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If you're new.

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01:21:17,625 --> 01:21:19,416

My name is Rhonda.

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01:21:19,416 --> 01:21:23,041

If you're not new,

you may also know me as, your boss.

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01:21:25,375 --> 01:21:28,375

Or your boss's boss.

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01:21:29,791 --> 01:21:31,291

But before we get.

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01:21:31,291 --> 01:21:34,250

Get started with this week's on hand

stand up.

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01:21:34,250 --> 01:21:36,375

We just have a little bit of

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01:21:36,375 --> 01:21:38,250

housekeeping

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01:21:38,250 --> 01:21:40,583

because I keep an open door

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01:21:40,583 --> 01:21:44,000

policy

that I don't really talk about much,

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01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:48,666

but which was pointed out to me yesterday

by long time ago FM family member,

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01:21:49,833 --> 01:21:52,833

because Zoe, the ever vigilant

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01:21:53,333 --> 01:21:56,125

ever, excellent.

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01:21:56,125 --> 01:22:01,333

Zoe politely wanted to point out

to the entire Oxfam family

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01:22:02,875 --> 01:22:05,875

that the moon is wrong.

435

01:22:06,375 --> 01:22:10,208

So I think she's talking about

months of work.

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01:22:10,625 --> 01:22:13,500

Not in every film,

but just in many of them.

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01:22:13,500 --> 01:22:16,500

The moon is wrong.

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01:22:16,625 --> 01:22:18,500

So this is what I

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01:22:18,500 --> 01:22:22,833

my hypothesis

is that this this relates back to college

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01:22:22,833 --> 01:22:28,666

and my Astro Astronomy 101 intro course,

and we learned the section about,

441

01:22:28,708 --> 01:22:32,375

you know, the mechanics

of the solar system and got to that exam.

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01:22:32,708 --> 01:22:35,791

And the first question on the exam

was something to the effect of,

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01:22:36,083 --> 01:22:42,583

okay, the moon is in this phase

and at this position in the sky with this,

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01:22:42,833 --> 01:22:46,041

you know, at this constellation

in the sky, what time of year is it?

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01:22:46,750 --> 01:22:50,333

And I remember just staring at that, like,

how in the world am I supposed

446

01:22:50,333 --> 01:22:54,916

to get the year from knowing

where the moon is and what phase it is in?

447

01:22:54,916 --> 01:22:57,750

And my brain just broke a little bit

and I ended up skipping the question.

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01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:58,833

I had no idea.

449

01:22:58,833 --> 01:23:02,000

So I went to the professor afterward

and he explained it to me.

450

01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:03,166

And then I felt so stupid.

451

01:23:03,166 --> 01:23:06,291

I was like, oh yeah, because if I know

452

01:23:06,291 --> 01:23:09,500

the phase of the moon,

then I know where the sun is.

453

01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:10,250

And if I know

454

01:23:10,250 --> 01:23:13,416

where the moon is in the sky,

then I know where the sun is in the sky,

455

01:23:13,416 --> 01:23:16,750

and therefore I know what season it is

like, I think, or clicked in my head.

456

01:23:17,166 --> 01:23:21,083

So I think maybe that might be why

I can't let go of this.

457

01:23:21,083 --> 01:23:24,375

Because now my brain

has really locked into knowing exactly

458

01:23:24,375 --> 01:23:27,500

how the moon in the sky, in the sun

operate.

459

01:23:27,875 --> 01:23:28,166

Do you

460

01:23:28,166 --> 01:23:30,333

So if you tell me two of those things,

461

01:23:30,333 --> 01:23:32,958

I can tell you

exactly what the third one will be.

462

01:23:32,958 --> 01:23:35,750

That's what is the response

when you do this of the people

463

01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:37,958

that you are watching the

movie with or the TV show?

464

01:23:39,250 --> 01:23:41,333

I think

for my family, they, they just kind of

465

01:23:41,333 --> 01:23:45,583

chuckle and, you know, life goes

on, they like, oh, there she is now.

466

01:23:45,583 --> 01:23:46,250

I think also it's like

467

01:23:46,250 --> 01:23:49,250

if a moon appears, they almost

like kind of look over at me like, yeah,

468

01:23:50,083 --> 01:23:51,166

that's it. Right. Is it. Right.

469

01:23:51,166 --> 01:23:55,541

Well, and so, few of my friends though

if I've not watched movies with them,

470

01:23:55,541 --> 01:23:56,375

they're just like, what?

471

01:23:56,375 --> 01:23:57,166

What do you mean?

472

01:23:57,166 --> 01:24:00,166

I'm like, we'll talk about later.

473

01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:02,666

I to do call and I talk about this.

474

01:24:02,666 --> 01:24:05,291

I don't know if we talk about a lot,

but I was once in London

475

01:24:05,291 --> 01:24:07,666

and I was talking to call on the phone

and I couldn't find the moon.

476

01:24:07,666 --> 01:24:09,208

I was like, I was on a bridge.

477

01:24:09,208 --> 01:24:10,750

And it was just unobstructed sky.

478

01:24:10,750 --> 01:24:13,541

And I went out looking for the full moon,

and I couldn't find it.

479

01:24:13,541 --> 01:24:15,250

Like I was like,

there's a glitch in the matrix code.

480

01:24:15,250 --> 01:24:16,875

There's no moon. Like they forget.

481

01:24:16,875 --> 01:24:19,333

They forgot to hang the moon in London.

482

01:24:19,333 --> 01:24:20,791

And I always think about like,

if you had been there,

483

01:24:20,791 --> 01:24:22,208

maybe you could have just

been like, it's over there.

484

01:24:23,791 --> 01:24:26,166

It's going to be to your east, babe.

485

01:24:26,166 --> 01:24:29,708

And I actually, I did have a friend reach

out to me with the moon question once.

486

01:24:29,750 --> 01:24:33,833

And it wasn't about the phase

of the moon, but it was during winter.

487

01:24:33,833 --> 01:24:36,833

And she said, well, I was just outside

looking at the full moon.

488

01:24:36,958 --> 01:24:39,458

And it was pretty late at night.

489

01:24:39,458 --> 01:24:42,583

And she said, I noticed how high

it seemed to be in the sky.

490

01:24:43,250 --> 01:24:44,958

And she was like,

it might just imagining things,

491

01:24:44,958 --> 01:24:48,333

but it seemed like it was really high

in the sky compared to like in the summer,

492

01:24:48,583 --> 01:24:49,291

because I'm like, crazy.

493

01:24:49,291 --> 01:24:52,125

Is this real? Well,

I said, no, it's totally real.

494

01:24:52,125 --> 01:24:55,041

And the way to think about it is

if you're seeing a full moon, right, then

495

01:24:55,041 --> 01:24:58,041

that means the moon is on the opposite

side of the Earth from the sun.

496

01:24:58,458 --> 01:25:01,458

And and so we're seeing the moon fully

lit by the sun.

497

01:25:02,166 --> 01:25:05,083

Well, during the winter,

the northern in the northern hemisphere.

498

01:25:05,083 --> 01:25:07,541

Right. We're tipped away from the sun.

499

01:25:07,541 --> 01:25:10,541

And that means we are tipped

toward the moon.

500

01:25:10,625 --> 01:25:12,916

So the moon is high in the sky

in the winter

501

01:25:12,916 --> 01:25:16,208

time, in the same way that the sun is high

in the sky in the summertime.

502

01:25:16,208 --> 01:25:17,833

We're just tipped in the other direction.

503

01:25:17,833 --> 01:25:20,250

She's like, oh, there we go.

504

01:25:20,250 --> 01:25:22,000

The moon is higher

in the sky in the winter.

505

01:25:26,083 --> 01:25:26,416

Cool.

506

01:25:26,416 --> 01:25:28,625

Jaclynn,

507

01:25:28,625 --> 01:25:30,958

do you remember her thought experiment

508

01:25:30,958 --> 01:25:33,958

of the North Pole versus the North Pole?

509

01:25:33,958 --> 01:25:37,041

Thinking about the sun versus standing

at the equator, thinking about the sun?

510

01:25:39,708 --> 01:25:41,875

Like,

could I could I tell it to you right now?

511

01:25:41,875 --> 01:25:43,583

You mean.

512

01:25:43,583 --> 01:25:44,541

I don't mean that.

513

01:25:44,541 --> 01:25:46,041

I just mean.

514

01:25:46,041 --> 01:25:49,000

I do remember it, but I couldn't, I,

515

01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,000

I would struggle to articulate it

in this exact moment.

516

01:25:53,041 --> 01:25:55,833

what would you expect to be different

517

01:25:55,833 --> 01:26:00,791

about a sunrise or sunset

or the perception of a sunrise or sunset?

518

01:26:01,166 --> 01:26:04,166

In like astronomy terms,

519

01:26:04,208 --> 01:26:08,083

if you're in NYC versus Los Angeles versus

520

01:26:08,375 --> 01:26:11,416

the equator versus Samoa. No.

521

01:26:12,083 --> 01:26:14,708

Yes. Or your, your, thought experiment,

522

01:26:14,708 --> 01:26:17,708

you blew my mind with of the North Pole

or the South Pole.

523

01:26:18,125 --> 01:26:18,625

Right.

524

01:26:18,625 --> 01:26:23,166

So yes I know this is, this is the initial

drag me in to settle this debate.

525

01:26:23,500 --> 01:26:27,000

I definitely think that, yes,

where you spend a lot of time is going

526

01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:28,916

to influence a lot about what you think

527

01:26:28,916 --> 01:26:31,916

about natural phenomenon,

including what's going on in the sky.

528

01:26:32,083 --> 01:26:35,625

I, I had the opportunity

a few years ago to go to Australia,

529

01:26:35,625 --> 01:26:38,708

and I was most excited

about getting to see the southern sky,

530

01:26:39,250 --> 01:26:42,958

look up and see totally different stars,

and also to see the moon upside down.

531

01:26:45,500 --> 01:26:46,916

Because, you know, of course,

532

01:26:46,916 --> 01:26:48,958

you know, there's no upside

down in the sky or space.

533

01:26:48,958 --> 01:26:53,791

But the fact that like, there is a sense

that if the moon is, you know, over here

534

01:26:53,791 --> 01:26:57,375

between the horizon and the Xena's

over here, that that's right side up.

535

01:26:57,375 --> 01:27:01,041

Of course, when you're in the southern

hemisphere, that's inverted.

536

01:27:01,041 --> 01:27:02,041

And so you,

537

01:27:02,041 --> 01:27:04,541

you suddenly don't think about

how much you've assumed

538

01:27:04,541 --> 01:27:07,416

the moon always looks that way

until you go somewhere else.

539

01:27:07,416 --> 01:27:09,916

And it's it looks upside down.

540

01:27:09,916 --> 01:27:13,625

So for sunrises and sunsets, thankfully,

this is a very mechanical

541

01:27:13,625 --> 01:27:14,833

and geometric problem.

542

01:27:14,833 --> 01:27:16,208

And I even did a little more digging

543

01:27:16,208 --> 01:27:19,208

after we initially spoke,

just to make sure that I had this right.

544

01:27:19,416 --> 01:27:24,666

So the fastest the sun can possibly rise.

545

01:27:25,166 --> 01:27:27,916

And so I'm just going to use rise here

because it's the same with set.

546

01:27:27,916 --> 01:27:33,333

The fastest it can do that is if you are

at the equator on one of the equinoxes,

547

01:27:33,916 --> 01:27:37,166

because then that's when the Earth's axis

is straight up and down

548

01:27:37,166 --> 01:27:39,000

compared to the direction of the sun.

549

01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,250

And that means the sun

is just coming straight up.

550

01:27:42,416 --> 01:27:43,416

And so that's

551

01:27:43,416 --> 01:27:48,000

of course the fastest you can do it,

as opposed to coming up with an angle.

552

01:27:48,541 --> 01:27:49,750

All right. That

553

01:27:50,833 --> 01:27:51,625

runs about

554

01:27:51,625 --> 01:27:55,250

two minutes from the start to the finish.

555

01:27:55,416 --> 01:27:58,416

I think I saw one that calculated at 128

556

01:27:58,416 --> 01:28:01,708

seconds is the fastest

you can get the sun up.

557

01:28:02,583 --> 01:28:05,583

So then Cole asked me the question, like,

well,

558

01:28:05,833 --> 01:28:09,625

would it be different other places and

how could it be different other places?

559

01:28:09,625 --> 01:28:13,458

And, this is where I went

into my mathematics background,

560

01:28:13,458 --> 01:28:14,541

because one of the things you do in

561

01:28:14,541 --> 01:28:18,125

mathematics to understand

something is maybe take it to an extreme.

562

01:28:18,625 --> 01:28:23,583

So I said, okay, I'm going to take you

to the north Pole also on the equinox,

563

01:28:23,958 --> 01:28:26,250

and you're standing there

at the North Pole,

564

01:28:26,250 --> 01:28:29,333

and the sun is right there

horizontal to you.

565

01:28:29,333 --> 01:28:33,458

So if you were, say,

on perfectly flat terrain,

566

01:28:34,333 --> 01:28:39,166

then you would see the sun half above

and half below the horizon at that moment.

567

01:28:39,458 --> 01:28:44,541

And as the day went, it would just travel

along the horizon, half up and half down.

568

01:28:45,208 --> 01:28:49,291

And so you'd essentially have

an infinite sunrise or sunset.

569

01:28:49,291 --> 01:28:53,166

And yet they actually have calculated

these long sunrises and sunsets

570

01:28:53,166 --> 01:28:56,583

and measured them in terms of like days

that they might

571

01:28:56,583 --> 01:28:59,625

last as you are really

in the extreme latitudes.

572

01:28:59,875 --> 01:29:04,458

And so I told cool, like, well,

if it if it's infinity at the pole

573

01:29:04,458 --> 01:29:08,958

and it's two minutes at the equator,

then logically it must be increasing

574

01:29:08,958 --> 01:29:12,083

steadily

as you move from the equator to the pole,

575

01:29:12,291 --> 01:29:15,375

which means as you do, that sunrises

and sunsets are going to gradually

576

01:29:15,375 --> 01:29:19,083

get longer and longer,

and they also get longer.

577

01:29:19,083 --> 01:29:21,625

The more angle the sun is rising.

578

01:29:21,625 --> 01:29:25,875

So during winter you're going to have

slower sunrises and sunsets

579

01:29:25,875 --> 01:29:30,083

simply because you're moving at a diagonal

instead of straight up and down.

580

01:29:30,833 --> 01:29:34,666

So yeah, they'd be kind of a cool sight

to see the

581

01:29:34,666 --> 01:29:37,666

at the poles and just watch the sun

go around the horizon.

582

01:29:37,833 --> 01:29:39,083

Never rise, never set.

583

01:29:40,333 --> 01:29:42,416

Wow. It's like I

584

01:29:42,416 --> 01:29:45,416

knew it's different,

but I didn't, I didn't I didn't know that.

585

01:29:45,500 --> 01:29:48,500

I didn't think about that.

586

01:29:50,500 --> 01:29:52,666

listen to you to take it apart

587

01:29:52,666 --> 01:29:56,125

and sort of come to terms with

it is much more interesting.

588

01:29:56,750 --> 01:30:00,875

Like is it or did

we just kill the joy of a good movie?

589

01:30:01,375 --> 01:30:02,125

No, no, no.

590

01:30:02,125 --> 01:30:03,125

I don't think so.

591

01:30:03,125 --> 01:30:03,666

I don't think. So.

592

01:30:03,666 --> 01:30:06,458

Robby's like, I didn't even think

about it till Jaclynn pointed it out.

593

01:30:06,458 --> 01:30:06,833

Yeah.

594

01:30:06,833 --> 01:30:08,958

No no no I didn't I like I really didn't.

595

01:30:08,958 --> 01:30:11,375

And I think that,

596

01:30:11,375 --> 01:30:12,541

to me, it's an act of love.

597

01:30:12,541 --> 01:30:16,958

And that's peak Virgo

to pick something apart and be critical

598

01:30:16,958 --> 01:30:19,958

out of it, out of pure love.

599

01:30:21,125 --> 01:30:22,291

For it. Yeah.

600

01:30:22,291 --> 01:30:22,791

Yeah.

601

01:30:22,791 --> 01:30:25,916

And and I don't know

that it's really pure like,

602

01:30:26,375 --> 01:30:29,583

I, I don't know that it's pure love

that makes you do it.

603

01:30:29,583 --> 01:30:32,041

I think it's pure something.

604

01:30:32,041 --> 01:30:36,666

And that something is what makes you love

movies and or things in the first place.

605

01:30:37,250 --> 01:30:40,416

I think, like anything,

I give that depth of attention to is

606

01:30:40,416 --> 01:30:41,958

because I care, like I give.

607

01:30:41,958 --> 01:30:46,166

You know, I think that my attention is

is like the one limited thing

608

01:30:46,166 --> 01:30:47,791

we have, right? Our time and attention.

609

01:30:47,791 --> 01:30:51,000

So if I'm giving something that much time

and attention, it's because I care.

610

01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:54,750

And I also see its like potential,

like it's like it could have been perfect,

611

01:30:55,125 --> 01:30:57,583

like the opposite of Love

is indifference, right?

612

01:30:57,583 --> 01:31:01,666

So it's like to give something

as much time and attention as means.

613

01:31:01,666 --> 01:31:04,666

I actually care a lot,

like if I was indifferent.

614

01:31:04,708 --> 01:31:06,166

There's a lot of things out there that

615

01:31:07,416 --> 01:31:10,416

mess stuff up and I don't care at all.

616

01:31:13,291 --> 01:31:16,250

the number one thing I want to say

about the scene is, and kind of the film

617

01:31:16,250 --> 01:31:20,500

in general is I love it

just the same, but I can't stop thinking

618

01:31:20,500 --> 01:31:24,708

about the how and the why,

and it just is super noticeable.

619

01:31:24,708 --> 01:31:25,791

And I still love it.

620

01:31:25,791 --> 01:31:28,791

I watched the the scene

and then I just watched the film again

621

01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:32,458

and I can have a critique

and still love a thing just the same.

622

01:31:33,250 --> 01:31:34,750

Yeah. Callie.

623

01:31:34,750 --> 01:31:37,458

But the number one thing

that I want to say

624

01:31:37,458 --> 01:31:40,458

about.

625

01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:44,000

The fight scene climax to Hobbs and Shaw

626

01:31:44,416 --> 01:31:45,541

is that.

627

01:31:45,541 --> 01:31:50,750

after hearing you

go beats by beats and actual cut by cut.

628

01:31:51,375 --> 01:31:54,166

Understand where.

629

01:31:54,166 --> 01:31:58,166

We, crossed wires and

630

01:31:59,333 --> 01:32:01,125

where you were.

631

01:32:01,125 --> 01:32:03,708

You weren't wrong. And you were

632

01:32:05,083 --> 01:32:06,833

right.

633

01:32:06,833 --> 01:32:07,166

I'm sorry.

634

01:32:07,166 --> 01:32:10,166

Could you say that into the microphone

one more time?

635

01:32:10,500 --> 01:32:13,500

Just make sure that got recorded.

636

01:32:13,750 --> 01:32:15,541

Oh, we're going to make him say it

three times.

637

01:32:15,541 --> 01:32:15,916

You didn't.

638

01:32:15,916 --> 01:32:18,791

He didn't say it was right.

But he did say I was not wrong. Yeah.

639

01:32:18,791 --> 01:32:19,916

If you could say that three times.

640

01:32:19,916 --> 01:32:22,083

Call just just for the recording.

641

01:32:22,083 --> 01:32:23,208

With different emphasis.

642

01:32:23,208 --> 01:32:25,000

Theatrically, please.

643

01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:27,541

Yeah.

644

01:32:27,541 --> 01:32:30,541

But not wrong.

645

01:32:31,833 --> 01:32:34,833

Wrong.

646

01:32:34,833 --> 01:32:36,333

We're not.

647

01:32:36,333 --> 01:32:38,958

Wrong.

648

01:32:38,958 --> 01:32:39,458

See? One.

649

01:32:39,458 --> 01:32:41,583

But with sincerity.

650

01:32:41,583 --> 01:32:44,583

Difficult.

651

01:32:45,541 --> 01:32:47,250

You were not wrong.

652

01:32:47,250 --> 01:32:50,250

Oh, okay.

653

01:32:50,416 --> 01:32:51,666

Carry on, carry on.

654

01:32:51,666 --> 01:32:54,666

So just need to hear it for the pod.

655

01:32:56,583 --> 01:32:59,583

And for the final.

656

01:33:00,750 --> 01:33:01,541

Or how would you say it?

657

01:33:01,541 --> 01:33:02,666

For the.

658

01:33:02,666 --> 01:33:05,833

For the way that we exit the sequence.

659

01:33:06,791 --> 01:33:08,458

You were completely right.

660

01:33:08,458 --> 01:33:09,125

The sun.

661

01:33:09,125 --> 01:33:14,541

Oh, is way too high in the sky

compared to any measure within the.

662

01:33:15,833 --> 01:33:18,375

Ten minutes. For

663

01:33:18,375 --> 01:33:20,916

the stupid counter double, for sure.

664

01:33:20,916 --> 01:33:26,375

And it's hard to be super duper

behind the science slash

665

01:33:26,375 --> 01:33:30,125

lived experience

of having shot sunrises at the equator

666

01:33:30,333 --> 01:33:33,291

and be like, oh crap.

667

01:33:33,291 --> 01:33:36,291

It Co was dying to drop that

668

01:33:36,333 --> 01:33:39,333

cuz you held that to the very end

and then you were like,

669

01:33:40,291 --> 01:33:43,291

by the way,

when I was, filming at the equator

670

01:33:44,583 --> 01:33:45,958

Behold. Satalia.

671

01:33:45,958 --> 01:33:48,958

I'm here in the Galapagos

and we are going to behold

672

01:33:49,041 --> 01:33:52,041

all sorts of wildlife.

673

01:33:52,541 --> 01:33:55,541

I was astounded at how quickly

674

01:33:56,125 --> 01:34:01,208

you go from day to night and night to day,

and our mutual

675

01:34:01,875 --> 01:34:04,875

the only argument that I know, argument,

the only.

676

01:34:07,625 --> 01:34:08,500

Minor disagree.

677

01:34:08,500 --> 01:34:09,541

Oh. Stressful moment.

678

01:34:09,541 --> 01:34:09,708

Yeah.

679

01:34:09,708 --> 01:34:12,708

The only stressful moments.

680

01:34:13,583 --> 01:34:16,291

With the with it all was

681

01:34:16,291 --> 01:34:18,708

shooting with the sun

682

01:34:20,333 --> 01:34:24,000

setting, on the horizon.

683

01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,208

The right behind the host.

684

01:34:26,208 --> 01:34:29,416

Like the exact same concept of a shot of.

685

01:34:29,708 --> 01:34:29,958

Nope.

686

01:34:29,958 --> 01:34:32,041

We need to see the full circle of the sun,

687

01:34:32,041 --> 01:34:34,541

and then we need to see it break

the horizon.

688

01:34:34,541 --> 01:34:37,375

Okay, go take as long as you need it.

689

01:34:37,375 --> 01:34:40,375

You have seven seconds.

690

01:34:41,750 --> 01:34:44,333

I can't believe you didn't

pull this out earlier.

691

01:34:44,333 --> 01:34:46,583

I can't believe you've saved it

this long to.

692

01:34:46,583 --> 01:34:49,375

I have blocked that trip out of my head.

693

01:34:49,375 --> 01:34:51,708

I can't believe you've held it

this long to be like.

694

01:34:51,708 --> 01:34:55,333

By the way, my lived experience

of shooting on the equator.

695

01:34:56,416 --> 01:34:58,916

Let me tell you the story that I did

tell you once, Jaclynn.

696

01:34:58,916 --> 01:35:01,916

And you should remember this exact drama.

697

01:35:02,458 --> 01:35:03,416

I can't believe you held it.

698

01:35:03,416 --> 01:35:04,833

This. I can't believe you.

699

01:35:07,166 --> 01:35:08,125

I should have seen this coming.

700

01:35:08,125 --> 01:35:09,416

I walked myself into this trap.

701

01:35:09,416 --> 01:35:12,416

I can't, I can't even believe it. He.

702

01:35:12,833 --> 01:35:14,666

He did

703

01:35:14,666 --> 01:35:17,333

with scientists.

704

01:35:17,333 --> 01:35:19,208

Yeah, Robby.

705

01:35:19,208 --> 01:35:21,208

We nickname each other's friends.

706

01:35:21,208 --> 01:35:23,000

And so he went.

707

01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:26,000

The nickname I have for

this woman is scientist.

708

01:35:26,541 --> 01:35:29,541

So that's why he keeps me like

when I went with scientist.

709

01:35:29,875 --> 01:35:32,750

This is the. Okay,

710

01:35:32,750 --> 01:35:35,083

because there were other scientists,

but it was also scientist,

711

01:35:35,083 --> 01:35:38,083

which is how I've known her for years.

712

01:35:39,625 --> 01:35:43,166

Yeah, she's like the on camera voice

713

01:35:43,166 --> 01:35:47,208

of a thousand history

and, like, Travel channel

714

01:35:47,541 --> 01:35:51,833

cut to a quick segment

explaining this very seemingly simple

715

01:35:51,833 --> 01:35:55,583

but kind of complicated piece of science

that no one else, not no one else.

716

01:35:55,583 --> 01:35:59,125

But it's apparently very hard

to explain science

717

01:35:59,125 --> 01:36:02,833

succinctly,

and I did not approach until I saw it.

718

01:36:02,833 --> 01:36:04,708

Like, actually, she's. Very good at it.

719

01:36:04,708 --> 01:36:08,875

Going down behind her and her being like,

you fucked up that last shot.

720

01:36:08,875 --> 01:36:11,333

I'm like, no, I didn't fuck it up.

You just said Morgan.

721

01:36:11,333 --> 01:36:14,375

And I thought not of Morgan Freeman,

the Morgan you were talking.

722

01:36:14,375 --> 01:36:17,291

I was. Talking

about this. Morgan. This like

723

01:36:18,416 --> 01:36:20,750

Jasper Morgan,

724

01:36:20,750 --> 01:36:23,541

She was like, shut up.

725

01:36:23,541 --> 01:36:26,333

And the sun was gone.

726

01:36:26,333 --> 01:36:27,708

It's all take all the time you need.

727

01:36:27,708 --> 01:36:30,708

You have seven seconds.

728

01:36:32,083 --> 01:36:32,916

I have to keep looking.

729

01:36:32,916 --> 01:36:34,125

At the sunset.

730

01:36:34,125 --> 01:36:34,625

One second.

731

01:36:34,625 --> 01:36:37,333

I'm trying.

732

01:36:37,333 --> 01:36:40,250

Going, going, going, going.

733

01:36:40,250 --> 01:36:42,333

That's good.

734

01:36:42,333 --> 01:36:45,708

So, Morgan, we came to the Galapagos

and we listened to the animals.

735

01:36:46,416 --> 01:36:48,458

And what did we learn?

736

01:36:48,458 --> 01:36:51,750

Writing your special purpose is finding

your place in the world.

737

01:36:52,250 --> 01:36:55,208

Feeding your soul, feeding your body,

738

01:36:55,208 --> 01:36:58,208

finding what makes you happy.

739

01:36:58,416 --> 01:37:01,500

And honestly, that all depends on you.

740

01:37:06,916 --> 01:37:10,916

also two minutes is such a long time

on film, right? Yes.

741

01:37:11,250 --> 01:37:13,125

It's an eternity.

742

01:37:13,125 --> 01:37:17,916

And a lot of people talked, when I, like,

was looking up like, wounds being wrong.

743

01:37:17,916 --> 01:37:19,750

Like none of the pics of mine

were on there.

744

01:37:19,750 --> 01:37:22,666

They were all like, these really big ones,

people have pointed out.

745

01:37:22,666 --> 01:37:25,541

And one of them, and even you pointed

this out, was the movie set,

746

01:37:25,541 --> 01:37:28,208

which I have,

I've honestly not watched in years.

747

01:37:28,208 --> 01:37:29,625

It's on that list of movies

748

01:37:29,625 --> 01:37:33,458

I want to get my kids to watch,

and so that's why I haven't rewatched it.

749

01:37:33,458 --> 01:37:35,250

I've been waiting for that moment

750

01:37:35,250 --> 01:37:38,375

and but thinking back on

what I remember of it,

751

01:37:38,500 --> 01:37:42,791

there was somebody that was trying to say

the moon was wrong, and they actually

752

01:37:42,791 --> 01:37:46,166

someone explained that they were wrong,

but it was wrong in a different way.

753

01:37:46,166 --> 01:37:51,583

So apparently in the scene

in the shed outside,

754

01:37:51,625 --> 01:37:55,375

you know, so it's evening

or like not too late at night

755

01:37:55,666 --> 01:37:59,125

and there's a crescent moon up

and I'm like, yeah, okay,

756

01:37:59,125 --> 01:38:02,333

you know, maybe it's a little too late,

but sure, Crescent

757

01:38:02,333 --> 01:38:05,333

moon over the horizon,

pointing in the right direction.

758

01:38:05,583 --> 01:38:05,833

Right.

759

01:38:05,833 --> 01:38:08,750

You have to have the crescent pointing.

760

01:38:08,750 --> 01:38:10,250

It's like Artemis is bow, right?

761

01:38:10,250 --> 01:38:13,250

The bow has to be

she has to be pointing it toward the sun,

762

01:38:13,500 --> 01:38:15,333

to shoot her twin brother, Apollo.

763

01:38:15,333 --> 01:38:18,375

I don't know, but there's a reason

that Artemis, goddess of the moon,

764

01:38:18,583 --> 01:38:20,083

is always depicted with silver bow.

765

01:38:20,083 --> 01:38:24,291

Because you can use that to look

at the moon and tell where the sun is.

766

01:38:24,291 --> 01:38:27,291

Because if you imagine

that the edge of the moon is the bow,

767

01:38:27,625 --> 01:38:31,000

then you're always pointing

that toward the sun.

768

01:38:31,166 --> 01:38:34,041

So as long as the crescent, right,

769

01:38:34,041 --> 01:38:37,125

the smile is pointing down

toward the horizon, then you good.

770

01:38:37,750 --> 01:38:39,416

The air comes in that.

771

01:38:39,416 --> 01:38:42,458

Then you have the iconic scene

with the full moon with them flying.

772

01:38:43,166 --> 01:38:45,666

But in the movie,

that's like three days later,

773

01:38:47,125 --> 01:38:47,916

you're like,

774

01:38:47,916 --> 01:38:51,208

you know, the phase of the moon

does not change that fast.

775

01:38:51,458 --> 01:38:54,250

And then I again,

I'd have to go back and watch it,

776

01:38:54,250 --> 01:38:56,416

but then another thing occurred to me,

because when they're

777

01:38:56,416 --> 01:39:00,666

having the chase scene and they first

take off, it's evening, right?

778

01:39:00,666 --> 01:39:04,083

And I mean, yeah, the sun's clearly low

in the sky, but it's still daylight.

779

01:39:04,500 --> 01:39:07,291

And then the next thing you know,

they're riding across the moon.

780

01:39:07,291 --> 01:39:10,750

Now it's a full moon close to the horizon,

which is correct.

781

01:39:10,750 --> 01:39:11,250

Right.

782

01:39:11,250 --> 01:39:13,875

The full moon rises as the sun sets.

783

01:39:13,875 --> 01:39:15,000

So that seems right.

784

01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:17,375

But yeah, like you said at the time,

I was like,

785

01:39:17,375 --> 01:39:19,250

wow, it got to night really fast there.

786

01:39:19,250 --> 01:39:20,916

How long has he been flying on these?

787

01:39:23,666 --> 01:39:25,333

I would, I did as a little Jaclynn.

788

01:39:25,333 --> 01:39:27,250

I didn't catch that

but I would now I would.

789

01:39:27,250 --> 01:39:27,791

Yeah, yeah.

790

01:39:27,791 --> 01:39:29,416

Now you're gonna watch it like darn it.

791

01:39:29,416 --> 01:39:31,375

Now it bothers me.

792

01:39:31,375 --> 01:39:34,125

That's so interesting

because it's, it's also like

793

01:39:34,125 --> 01:39:37,000

when you're, I,

I don't know much about cinematography,

794

01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:42,291

but what you're also describing is like,

I can justify it to myself

795

01:39:42,291 --> 01:39:45,291

as like a series of paintings

or a series of images.

796

01:39:45,458 --> 01:39:48,375

That one leads to the next to these

and next thing you know,

797

01:39:48,375 --> 01:39:51,625

and you're

trying to propel the narrative forward.

798

01:39:51,625 --> 01:39:56,625

So you need these things in order to

in order to get from point A to point B,

799

01:39:56,916 --> 01:40:01,875

but the it's also occurring to me,

not only the more you know about movies,

800

01:40:01,875 --> 01:40:03,333

the more you pick them apart,

801

01:40:03,333 --> 01:40:06,166

but the more you know

about specific topics

802

01:40:06,166 --> 01:40:08,541

the smallest thing

is going to pull you out of it.

803

01:40:08,541 --> 01:40:12,541

If it's like I call him that, I call it,

that's not right.

804

01:40:12,666 --> 01:40:16,958

And you know, I'm

it's like science fiction versus fantasy.

805

01:40:16,958 --> 01:40:20,208

You know, it's a blurry line, honestly,

and how much

806

01:40:20,208 --> 01:40:23,250

you want to take yourself out of that

sometimes.

807

01:40:23,250 --> 01:40:26,208

One thing that I will do is

I will just say, okay, look,

808

01:40:26,208 --> 01:40:28,791

just imagine that this is an alternate

universe.

809

01:40:28,791 --> 01:40:29,291

Yeah.

810

01:40:29,291 --> 01:40:33,000

Imagine that this is not the timeline

that you're on.

811

01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:36,000

This is just a slightly different timeline

where this is the case.

812

01:40:36,458 --> 01:40:40,791

And, you know, considering that

even the biggest physicists say, yeah,

813

01:40:40,791 --> 01:40:42,166

there might be

814

01:40:42,166 --> 01:40:45,291

the multiverse might be real, I'm like,

okay, I'm willing to entertain that.

815

01:40:45,291 --> 01:40:48,291

That, you know, that you're dealing with

some sort of alternate timeline.

816

01:40:48,583 --> 01:40:52,083

You know, we get that with shows

that reboot in alternate timelines.

817

01:40:52,125 --> 01:40:54,541

You're like, okay, now

we can just do everything differently,

818

01:40:54,541 --> 01:40:59,208

and we don't have to be super accurate

because we have all of these things.

819

01:40:59,208 --> 01:41:01,958

So that's one way

I can also kind of take myself and like,

820

01:41:01,958 --> 01:41:04,791

okay, okay, just suspend

this isn't this world.

821

01:41:04,791 --> 01:41:07,375

You were so like enjoyable movies like

822

01:41:07,375 --> 01:41:10,416

I feel that way about like,

the Marvel Universe.

823

01:41:10,416 --> 01:41:12,958

Like, I love Marvel movies.

They're not all great.

824

01:41:12,958 --> 01:41:15,041

I certainly don't love

every single one of them.

825

01:41:15,041 --> 01:41:17,791

I have my favorites,

but it is one of those, like you said,

826

01:41:17,791 --> 01:41:19,791

you go

in, you're going to have a good time.

827

01:41:19,791 --> 01:41:21,333

It's going to be fun.

828

01:41:21,333 --> 01:41:26,541

And I'm not sitting there of course, in that genre, really trying to nitpick things

829

01:41:30,916 --> 01:41:33,458

I'm going to ask both of you,

830

01:41:33,458 --> 01:41:36,250

like a one liner response.

831

01:41:36,250 --> 01:41:37,875

It's not a philosophical question.

832

01:41:37,875 --> 01:41:38,375

It's a joke.

833

01:41:38,375 --> 01:41:43,416

Question

because of how outlandish this movie is.

834

01:41:44,250 --> 01:41:46,250

But what.

835

01:41:46,250 --> 01:41:49,250

You don't find.

836

01:41:51,083 --> 01:41:53,916

Is this is news to me, friends.

837

01:41:53,916 --> 01:41:55,958

Yeah. Crazy.

838

01:41:55,958 --> 01:41:58,500

I thought it was a documentary. Yeah.

839

01:41:58,500 --> 01:41:59,958

I mean, who told you that?

840

01:41:59,958 --> 01:42:00,291

Yeah.

841

01:42:00,291 --> 01:42:03,291

What are you talking about, girl?

842

01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:07,000

Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but,

not.

843

01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:10,000

Yeah. Not wrong facts.

844

01:42:10,041 --> 01:42:11,541

Wow. You're going to be very confused

845

01:42:11,541 --> 01:42:14,541

by the actual question that.

846

01:42:15,375 --> 01:42:17,125

Is, quote unquote,

847

01:42:17,125 --> 01:42:21,458

science fiction, meaning,

some people have said

848

01:42:21,458 --> 01:42:24,458

just because it happens,

space doesn't make it science fiction.

849

01:42:24,541 --> 01:42:27,541

As, as Zoe said.

850

01:42:27,583 --> 01:42:30,208

So what is what is science fiction to you?

851

01:42:30,208 --> 01:42:33,208

And is Hobbs and Shaw more science

fiction than Star Wars?

852

01:42:33,625 --> 01:42:34,250

That's.

853

01:42:34,250 --> 01:42:35,416

Oh, I'll just put it on record.

854

01:42:35,416 --> 01:42:37,791

Hobbs and shot is more sci fi.

855

01:42:38,958 --> 01:42:40,791

And. Then Star Wars.

856

01:42:40,791 --> 01:42:42,666

Will go on record.

857

01:42:42,666 --> 01:42:43,250

Yeah.

858

01:42:43,250 --> 01:42:47,166

Ravi, do you have a, retort to

what is science

859

01:42:47,166 --> 01:42:50,166

fiction to you?

860

01:42:52,083 --> 01:42:55,083

I never thought about it.

861

01:42:55,083 --> 01:42:56,416

I just always thought that science

862

01:42:56,416 --> 01:42:59,416

fiction took place in space.

863

01:42:59,541 --> 01:42:59,916

That.

864

01:42:59,916 --> 01:43:02,041

And then we talked to Zoe,

and she was like.

865

01:43:02,041 --> 01:43:04,750

like I grew up

being more of a fan of Star Wars.

866

01:43:04,750 --> 01:43:08,375

I really was not into Star

Trek as a child, but I could like,

867

01:43:08,375 --> 01:43:11,916

sit there and recite with sound effects

all three of the original trilogy.

868

01:43:12,750 --> 01:43:16,375

And then I got into Star Trek later,

869

01:43:16,375 --> 01:43:16,916

and it's not that

870

01:43:16,916 --> 01:43:19,958

I now don't like Star Wars,

but I appreciate the fact that Star Wars

871

01:43:20,250 --> 01:43:23,375

this is a I'll die on

this hill is not science fiction,

872

01:43:23,833 --> 01:43:26,583

it is venture fantasy

that takes place in space.

873

01:43:26,583 --> 01:43:29,708

And so I have this like rule where I think

874

01:43:29,708 --> 01:43:33,291

a lot of people assign science

fiction to movies for the wrong reasons.

875

01:43:33,541 --> 01:43:37,583

And so see if I can remember all

for just because a movie takes place in

876

01:43:37,583 --> 01:43:42,958

space has a main character

that's a scientist, involves aliens,

877

01:43:43,500 --> 01:43:47,666

and or time

travel does not make it science fiction.

878

01:43:48,750 --> 01:43:50,375

And Marvel is a great example

879

01:43:50,375 --> 01:43:53,375

of that, because I think endgame checks

all those boxes.

880

01:43:53,500 --> 01:43:56,083

And that is not a science fiction movie.

881

01:43:56,083 --> 01:43:59,916

So I'm like, no, you know,

we have to have a standard here

882

01:43:59,916 --> 01:44:02,583

before we just call something

science fiction.

883

01:44:02,583 --> 01:44:06,125

And it really kind of calls

back to the OG, right?

884

01:44:06,125 --> 01:44:06,958

Frankenstein.

885

01:44:06,958 --> 01:44:11,916

Mary Shelley

wrote the first sci fi, story

886

01:44:12,333 --> 01:44:15,333

where she took the science

that was happening at that date

887

01:44:15,333 --> 01:44:20,041

and extrapolated it somewhere to express

a concern over things.

888

01:44:20,708 --> 01:44:21,833

It's an amazing.

889

01:44:21,833 --> 01:44:24,750

If all you have ever seen

her movie adaptations go read the book.

890

01:44:24,750 --> 01:44:25,750

I did this in high school.

891

01:44:25,750 --> 01:44:26,791

I got to pick,

892

01:44:26,791 --> 01:44:30,666

and I wrote this beautiful essay

I loved called Frankenstein Feminism.

893

01:44:31,125 --> 01:44:34,708

I quoted I brought Jurassic Park into it

because I'm like, Jurassic Park is

894

01:44:34,708 --> 01:44:39,708

the same story just told with dinosaurs,

but it's the same exact score,

895

01:44:39,708 --> 01:44:43,416

like it's scientist who didn't

stop to think whether they should.

896

01:44:43,708 --> 01:44:46,583

Wow, only focus on what that they could.

897

01:44:46,583 --> 01:44:48,791

And I was like, these two movies

cover the same thing.

898

01:44:48,791 --> 01:44:52,208

So seeing those parallels and really

899

01:44:52,208 --> 01:44:55,333

then thinking about what do we call

science fiction, what is science fiction?

900

01:44:55,333 --> 01:44:57,333

What is not science fiction?

901

01:44:57,333 --> 01:45:01,166

And if you can then say, okay,

this isn't science fiction,

902

01:45:01,166 --> 01:45:03,958

then you can loosen up a bit. You're like,

oh, well, this is fantasy.

903

01:45:03,958 --> 01:45:05,500

This is just an adventure.

904

01:45:05,500 --> 01:45:08,750

You know, I don't sit there and nitpick

back to the future, right?

905

01:45:10,041 --> 01:45:13,291

It's like, no, well, we're we're totally

playing around with stuff and you can say,

906

01:45:13,291 --> 01:45:16,291

look, you know, this is a physics

that someone discovered that we have it.

907

01:45:16,458 --> 01:45:17,250

Sure.

908

01:45:17,250 --> 01:45:19,958

Okay. Not the point of the story, right?

909

01:45:19,958 --> 01:45:23,083

The story is set into motion

by time travel,

910

01:45:23,250 --> 01:45:27,000

but that's not the point of why

they're telling the story.

911

01:45:27,541 --> 01:45:30,083

And then it doesn't

require the same science rigor.

912

01:45:30,083 --> 01:45:31,708

I was. Exactly yeah.

913

01:45:31,708 --> 01:45:35,458

I think you said something earlier, which

really resonated with me too, which is

914

01:45:36,541 --> 01:45:37,750

how much people care.

915

01:45:37,750 --> 01:45:40,666

Like there's sometimes those feel like

they're not trying at all.

916

01:45:40,666 --> 01:45:43,708

And so I think to your point, like,

is there a world being built?

917

01:45:43,708 --> 01:45:46,458

Is there care like

is there thought behind the choices?

918

01:45:46,458 --> 01:45:49,916

The choices may not be scientific,

but is there a thought behind the choice

919

01:45:49,916 --> 01:45:50,791

or is it careless?

920

01:45:50,791 --> 01:45:53,291

And I think you can feel that in film

sometimes.

921

01:45:53,291 --> 01:45:54,333

So yeah, it's like I didn't

922

01:45:54,333 --> 01:45:57,750

even think about it, but I needed

a, I needed immune to the like,

923

01:45:58,083 --> 01:46:02,458

oh, this is a really cinematic moon

and it looks gorgeous.

924

01:46:02,458 --> 01:46:05,458

So we chose it or we built this world

in a way that, like,

925

01:46:05,708 --> 01:46:09,333

I can release, I can pretend it's

a different one, like in this world.

926

01:46:09,333 --> 01:46:09,875

That's true.

927

01:46:09,875 --> 01:46:11,250

That's

kind of how I feel about Hobbs and Shaw.

928

01:46:11,250 --> 01:46:13,541

Like, I don't know what world that lives

in, but I.

929

01:46:13,541 --> 01:46:15,541

I can live in that

world where that can be true.

930

01:46:19,250 --> 01:46:19,750

how this

931

01:46:19,750 --> 01:46:22,750

because you for the past

three months have been like,

932

01:46:23,208 --> 01:46:24,166

she didn't.

933

01:46:24,166 --> 01:46:26,375

I don't in any way see that I'm wrong.

934

01:46:26,375 --> 01:46:28,666

Even though you brought this astronomer.

935

01:46:28,666 --> 01:46:31,458

Just do this thought experiments for me.

936

01:46:31,458 --> 01:46:32,458

Like you were like, you just don't.

937

01:46:32,458 --> 01:46:34,708

I'm still right.

938

01:46:34,708 --> 01:46:35,333

She's still right.

939

01:46:35,333 --> 01:46:38,916

When the scientist is like, 128 seconds.

940

01:46:39,458 --> 01:46:42,083

But now I understand

941

01:46:42,083 --> 01:46:44,458

your biggest beef is about time.

942

01:46:44,458 --> 01:46:45,916

After that.

943

01:46:45,916 --> 01:46:46,916

It is? Yeah.

944

01:46:46,916 --> 01:46:49,541

And I thought that the sun

was in a different placement

945

01:46:49,541 --> 01:46:51,791

when we see it for the first time,

but it is on the horizon.

946

01:46:51,791 --> 01:46:54,958

It is framed in a way

that my brain didn't register.

947

01:46:55,500 --> 01:46:59,958

when you watched it this last time

and you began to understand what,

948

01:47:00,166 --> 01:47:06,500

like its relationship to China Beach and

when you were saying, like in this shot,

949

01:47:07,125 --> 01:47:09,916

it looks like the sun

might be coming up a little bit,

950

01:47:09,916 --> 01:47:12,625

but then you go back to the rock

and it's dark.

951

01:47:12,625 --> 01:47:15,625

Was that because when you were watching

it, you like,

952

01:47:16,250 --> 01:47:20,083

paused it, broke it down,

really gave it some thought.

953

01:47:20,083 --> 01:47:22,541

Between the different cuts.

954

01:47:22,541 --> 01:47:25,250

So I, I think I understand your question.

955

01:47:25,250 --> 01:47:27,208

So previously I've watched it

and it's bothered me

956

01:47:27,208 --> 01:47:29,125

and I've gone every round

and I've watched it

957

01:47:29,125 --> 01:47:30,708

and I've sort of broke it down

bit by bit, like in

958

01:47:30,708 --> 01:47:33,250

previous times,

which is how we got to this. Right? Yeah.

959

01:47:33,250 --> 01:47:34,250

And then going into it

960

01:47:34,250 --> 01:47:37,750

this time I watched it in a way,

trying to prove myself wrong.

961

01:47:37,750 --> 01:47:41,750

So I was trying to say, okay, like,

let's say core is right.

962

01:47:42,208 --> 01:47:44,208

Like it, how am I wrong?

963

01:47:44,208 --> 01:47:46,875

So I went in it from the frame

of trying to prove myself,

964

01:47:46,875 --> 01:47:49,166

like actively

trying to prove myself wrong.

965

01:47:49,166 --> 01:47:50,041

Okay. Yeah.

966

01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:52,541

In an effort to defend myself.

967

01:47:52,541 --> 01:47:55,000

And so that is how I did.

I saw the perspective different.

968

01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:57,708

Like I saw that that sunrise

on the horizon shot

969

01:47:57,708 --> 01:47:58,416

different. It was like,

970

01:47:58,416 --> 01:48:01,416

oh, I literally had been looking at that

from a different perspective.

971

01:48:01,541 --> 01:48:03,833

instead of trying to prove myself right,

972

01:48:03,833 --> 01:48:06,833

trying to prove myself wrong,

which was very helpful.

973

01:48:07,291 --> 01:48:08,708

It's cool.

974

01:48:08,708 --> 01:48:12,333

I don't know if this will be true

after I rewatch things, but it seems like

975

01:48:13,041 --> 01:48:16,041

this time you implemented

976

01:48:16,291 --> 01:48:19,291

the scientific method

977

01:48:19,291 --> 01:48:21,541

I taught public speaking and debate

and that's like.

978

01:48:21,541 --> 01:48:22,708

That's the whole, like,

979

01:48:22,708 --> 01:48:23,708

you do the debate

980

01:48:23,708 --> 01:48:26,750

and you have to rate the like,

counter argument, like you have to do it.

981

01:48:26,750 --> 01:48:29,750

That's it's like it's literally how.

982

01:48:29,958 --> 01:48:30,791

Yeah, yeah.

983

01:48:30,791 --> 01:48:31,833

It's an important thing to do.

984

01:48:31,833 --> 01:48:33,000

Like understand the other side

985

01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:37,416

so fully you could argue it yourself

and then it strengthens your own argument.

986

01:48:38,916 --> 01:48:41,750

We need to do more of that as a society

frankly.

987

01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:43,000

Yeah.

988

01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:45,916

Perhaps some of us.

989

01:48:45,916 --> 01:48:47,583

I remember

990

01:48:47,583 --> 01:48:50,416

like having people do theater games

991

01:48:50,416 --> 01:48:53,416

and I know this is a

992

01:48:53,666 --> 01:48:55,166

the change didn't happen this fast.

993

01:48:55,166 --> 01:49:00,041

But like I have so many memories of like

go to theater game.

994

01:49:00,458 --> 01:49:04,583

Have people say a thing that they believe

strongly like let them have their say.

995

01:49:04,625 --> 01:49:08,375

They say their arguments,

then go back around and have everyone

996

01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:11,916

defend the exact

opposite of their argument.

997

01:49:11,916 --> 01:49:15,791

And I have many memories of,

oh, that's a really helpful exercise.

998

01:49:16,291 --> 01:49:18,666

And then

999

01:49:18,666 --> 01:49:20,666

since I don't know when,

1000

01:49:20,666 --> 01:49:23,875

I have not felt safe

asking people to do that,

1001

01:49:23,875 --> 01:49:27,708

and they've been like, fire this guy.

1002

01:49:30,208 --> 01:49:31,333

Like. It's.

1003

01:49:31,333 --> 01:49:34,000

There are people in the world

that think the opposite of you.

1004

01:49:38,333 --> 01:49:38,583

Okay.

1005

01:49:38,583 --> 01:49:41,583

So it opens. It's pitch black,

1006

01:49:42,125 --> 01:49:42,708

very dark.

1007

01:49:42,708 --> 01:49:45,875

Not dawn, not first light, pitch black.

1008

01:49:46,250 --> 01:49:46,750

And they get.

1009

01:49:46,750 --> 01:49:50,083

They get ready for Idris Elba

and all the baddies to show up.

1010

01:49:51,041 --> 01:49:52,541

We're sorry.

1011

01:49:52,541 --> 01:49:55,541

Some more.

1012

01:49:56,750 --> 01:49:58,250

Cool.

1013

01:49:58,250 --> 01:50:01,166

Cool.

1014

01:50:01,166 --> 01:50:04,166

My go go, go. Are.

1015

01:50:05,666 --> 01:50:08,666

More my love scene.

1016

01:50:08,958 --> 01:50:11,958

Let go, I let go.

1017

01:50:12,708 --> 01:50:15,708

So we are.

1018

01:50:15,875 --> 01:50:18,875

Do it, Vanessa Kirby Hattie.

1019

01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:22,583

she injects it into her body, and she has

30 minutes before, like she'll die.

1020

01:50:22,708 --> 01:50:25,708

Like she can get it back out in 30

minutes, but she, like, injects it in.

1021

01:50:25,916 --> 01:50:28,375

And then the baddies show up

and they start to fight.

1022

01:50:28,375 --> 01:50:31,708

And here's where I'll start to say

when you were looking

1023

01:50:31,708 --> 01:50:35,958

so like the Rock kind of makes this big,

he's like, come get us.

1024

01:50:35,958 --> 01:50:37,916

Fight my family, right?

He sort of does that.

1025

01:50:37,916 --> 01:50:41,291

If when we're on shots of

the Rock, it is pitch black

1026

01:50:42,291 --> 01:50:42,625

again.

1027

01:50:42,625 --> 01:50:44,875

Not for slate, not done.

We're not coming towards the day.

1028

01:50:44,875 --> 01:50:47,833

We're like, we're midnight ish.

We're like pitch black.

1029

01:50:47,833 --> 01:50:49,333

But then when we take the reverse shot.

1030

01:50:49,333 --> 01:50:53,375

So we're looking at like Idris Elba,

I will concede that

1031

01:50:53,375 --> 01:50:55,333

perhaps we are at dawn,

1032

01:50:55,333 --> 01:50:58,208

that there are sort of

like you can kind of see like a bluish

1033

01:50:58,208 --> 01:51:01,208

light behind them,

come back to the rock pitch black,

1034

01:51:01,500 --> 01:51:05,250

and then we see Jason Statham, like

driving this big ring of fire around Ray.

1035

01:51:05,250 --> 01:51:08,583

And they like, there's all this fire

and like, the sort of war starts

1036

01:51:08,833 --> 01:51:13,333

pitch black, but then kind of like

inner shot with I do see, I will concede

1037

01:51:13,750 --> 01:51:18,583

perhaps some like Danish shots

where like there is some light coming up.

1038

01:51:18,583 --> 01:51:22,458

It's like there's sort of dart

like lighter blue at the horizon.

1039

01:51:22,541 --> 01:51:25,000

And then Idris Elba goes, get my chopper.

1040

01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:28,791

And then we cut to this like chopper

scene, which I will also now agree.

1041

01:51:28,791 --> 01:51:30,791

I had always seen the way it is.

1042

01:51:30,791 --> 01:51:34,750

The way it is framed is

the sun is in the middle of the shot.

1043

01:51:35,791 --> 01:51:36,833

What was that TV show?

1044

01:51:36,833 --> 01:51:38,541

Robby? about Vietnam.

1045

01:51:38,541 --> 01:51:41,541

And it had, like, this woman named Dana.

1046

01:51:41,666 --> 01:51:43,958

And it was like in the 80s. Yes.

1047

01:51:43,958 --> 01:51:47,666

It was, Because it has, like, a helicopter

This.

1048

01:51:47,666 --> 01:51:48,125

Is kind of.

1049

01:51:48,125 --> 01:51:51,333

Jaclynn China Beach, tiny beach. Yeah.

1050

01:51:51,416 --> 01:51:54,416

Don't worry. It's got a really. Yeah.

1051

01:51:54,625 --> 01:51:55,500

So the shot of.

1052

01:51:55,500 --> 01:51:57,583

Robby, she's pulling him out of it.

1053

01:51:57,583 --> 01:51:59,166

Pulling it from. Yeah. We're doing it.

1054

01:51:59,166 --> 01:52:02,125

So the shot it goes to the chopper

and the chat.

1055

01:52:02,125 --> 01:52:05,375

The way it is framed is like

the sun is in the middle of the shot,

1056

01:52:05,375 --> 01:52:09,666

and the chopper is, like, flying towards

camera with, like, in silhouette

1057

01:52:09,666 --> 01:52:12,375

with the sun behind it.

Very kind of beach like.

1058

01:52:12,375 --> 01:52:16,375

That's like the China beaches, as

I remember, is my little tiny childhood.

1059

01:52:16,875 --> 01:52:18,000

That's like their whole logo.

1060

01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:19,750

And that's just a very China Beach thing.

1061

01:52:19,750 --> 01:52:21,625

And in the middle of the sky.

1062

01:52:21,625 --> 01:52:24,916

It's like it's supposed to invoke,

like the hotness of Vietnam

1063

01:52:25,125 --> 01:52:26,916

because aren't they

in Vietnam? It's called China Beach.

1064

01:52:26,916 --> 01:52:28,083

But isn't aren't they in Vietnam?

1065

01:52:28,083 --> 01:52:32,000

Yeah, yeah, it's Yeah, yeah,

a Vietnam War field hospital.

1066

01:52:32,791 --> 01:52:38,083

So it's supposed to sort of evoke

that like hot day sun So in my mind,

1067

01:52:38,083 --> 01:52:42,250

I have always seen that shot as being

because of the way it's framed.

1068

01:52:42,250 --> 01:52:44,958

The sun is in the middle,

that it is the middle of the day.

1069

01:52:44,958 --> 01:52:45,708

And that that is

1070

01:52:45,708 --> 01:52:49,458

where I get taken out because I'm like,

why is the sun at 11:00 in the sky,

1071

01:52:49,583 --> 01:52:54,375

I concede today that what is actually

happening is it is on the horizon.

1072

01:52:55,708 --> 01:52:57,333

to yes.

1073

01:52:57,333 --> 01:52:59,041

Cool.

1074

01:52:59,041 --> 01:53:01,166

So for

1075

01:53:01,166 --> 01:53:04,250

let's say, five years, you've been

1076

01:53:05,875 --> 01:53:10,708

remembering, a shot from another media

1077

01:53:11,583 --> 01:53:14,583

putting it into this sequence.

1078

01:53:14,916 --> 01:53:17,916

I mean, they both exist, but I yeah, yes,

1079

01:53:17,916 --> 01:53:21,000

I was it was,

it was impacting my perspective.

1080

01:53:21,250 --> 01:53:24,458

So I couldn't see this shot

as being on the horizon

1081

01:53:24,458 --> 01:53:26,458

because the sun was in the middle

and the chopper was there.

1082

01:53:26,458 --> 01:53:29,458

I could I, I saw is all sky.

1083

01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:30,833

I think it's one part

1084

01:53:30,833 --> 01:53:34,250

because of China Beach and one part

because of the way it's framed.

1085

01:53:35,083 --> 01:53:38,416

It's still like there are still shots

that are way too dark,

1086

01:53:38,791 --> 01:53:40,458

but there are some dawn shots.

1087

01:53:40,458 --> 01:53:42,541

And then now we are just.

The sun has just risen.

1088

01:53:42,541 --> 01:53:44,458

I'm okay. I'm still fine, fine.

1089

01:53:44,458 --> 01:53:46,666

And Samoa has the fastest sunrise we've.

1090

01:53:46,666 --> 01:53:48,416

Now we've proven that true. Sure,

1091

01:53:50,333 --> 01:53:50,916

You know.

1092

01:53:50,916 --> 01:53:52,125

Then.

1093

01:53:52,125 --> 01:53:55,125

But then

1094

01:53:56,041 --> 01:53:58,041

we all of a sudden it's

just the middle of the day.

1095

01:53:58,041 --> 01:53:59,083

It is so bright out.

1096

01:53:59,083 --> 01:54:00,833

And this is where, like,

I want to challenge you called

1097

01:54:00,833 --> 01:54:02,875

because, like, truly,

you are a lighting master.

1098

01:54:02,875 --> 01:54:07,166

You are a cinematographer, like,

you know, lighting and you know, the sun.

1099

01:54:07,166 --> 01:54:11,791

Like, you literally take like, apps

that measure where the sun will be

1100

01:54:11,791 --> 01:54:15,000

so you can get the best photography

shots and like, you know, where

1101

01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:19,041

the moon is compared to rooftops

so that we can shoot on them.

1102

01:54:19,041 --> 01:54:22,375

So like, I just

I respect you more than this.

1103

01:54:22,875 --> 01:54:24,416

The the disagree with me.

1104

01:54:24,416 --> 01:54:27,958

The lighting is overhead

by the end of the scene.

1105

01:54:28,416 --> 01:54:32,208

And so even if I'm going to say sure,

it was sunrise, sure it was done

1106

01:54:32,208 --> 01:54:36,458

and I don't I'm uncomfortable with that,

but I will, I will, I will try

1107

01:54:36,750 --> 01:54:39,458

still, by the end of the scene, it

1108

01:54:39,458 --> 01:54:43,875

it is so clearly like 11 1145

in the afternoon,

1109

01:54:43,875 --> 01:54:47,125

like that sun is way too high for it

to still be morning.

1110

01:54:47,541 --> 01:54:51,708

And like, I think you have to agree

with me or you're lying.

1111

01:54:52,291 --> 01:54:56,541

So let's say we're in lockstep as far as

1112

01:54:58,416 --> 01:55:01,541

height of the sun onscreen.

1113

01:55:03,125 --> 01:55:06,166

If we had coverage and continuity

1114

01:55:06,833 --> 01:55:09,833

as if it were filmed

1115

01:55:10,375 --> 01:55:13,375

like a documentary.

1116

01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:17,000

Pitch black right before dawn,

1117

01:55:17,833 --> 01:55:20,000

sun breaks

1118

01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:22,708

dawn to become sunrise.

1119

01:55:22,708 --> 01:55:25,708

But then one shot

1120

01:55:25,875 --> 01:55:30,583

later, 15 seconds later, after it's

sunrise.

1121

01:55:30,583 --> 01:55:33,583

Sun is just peaking and

1122

01:55:33,916 --> 01:55:36,916

the sun has not broken

all the way over the horizon.

1123

01:55:37,291 --> 01:55:40,083

15 seconds later in movie time.

1124

01:55:40,083 --> 01:55:41,500

It is sunrise.

1125

01:55:41,500 --> 01:55:45,250

Every everything agrees that at sunrise

one shot later 15 seconds

1126

01:55:45,250 --> 01:55:49,625

later in the film it is sun placements

1127

01:55:50,291 --> 01:55:53,041

at 11:45 a.m..

1128

01:55:53,041 --> 01:55:54,291

Correct.

1129

01:55:54,291 --> 01:55:56,250

For the purposes of.

1130

01:55:56,250 --> 01:56:00,458

This seems like lived experience,

reality and science.

1131

01:56:00,916 --> 01:56:05,208

Sunrise at the equator happens

so much faster into 11 a.m.

1132

01:56:05,291 --> 01:56:07,791

that it's scary.

1133

01:56:07,791 --> 01:56:11,583

But what you're saying is

100% could not be true.

1134

01:56:11,583 --> 01:56:15,958

Or like the angle has gone up

by 25 degrees in one shot.

1135

01:56:16,625 --> 01:56:17,791

Period.

1136

01:56:17,791 --> 01:56:20,791

The movie thing I want to say

though, is The fact that they have

1137

01:56:20,791 --> 01:56:22,166

this shot of the sun

1138

01:56:23,333 --> 01:56:24,500

does everything for my brain

1139

01:56:24,500 --> 01:56:26,666

to be like, great,

I don't have to worry about the audience.

1140

01:56:26,666 --> 01:56:28,166

They will be fine.

1141

01:56:28,166 --> 01:56:30,250

And that is that was your argument before.

1142

01:56:30,250 --> 01:56:33,291

Like from a moviemaking perspective,

it's like once you've said, the sun's up,

1143

01:56:33,583 --> 01:56:34,916

the sun just gets to be up.

1144

01:56:34,916 --> 01:56:35,375

If they.

1145

01:56:35,375 --> 01:56:38,208

If they remove the timer, I don't

1146

01:56:38,208 --> 01:56:41,000

I don't know why I get obsessed

with the things I get obsessed with.

1147

01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:43,625

Like there's a thousand things I let go

and I don't think about.

1148

01:56:43,625 --> 01:56:46,541

And then like,

this will be the thing that I like,

1149

01:56:46,541 --> 01:56:48,291

will obsess about forever.

1150

01:56:48,291 --> 01:56:51,291

what has gotten me so stuck is

I want to stay in the night longer,

1151

01:56:51,958 --> 01:56:54,291

and I want to stay in to the dawn

like dawn is such,

1152

01:56:54,291 --> 01:56:56,583

such a beautiful time to shoot and like

1153

01:56:58,000 --> 01:56:59,833

it. Like I want more of that.

1154

01:56:59,833 --> 01:57:02,833

So when it just becomes

the like, really bright direct sunlight,

1155

01:57:04,083 --> 01:57:07,041

I'm just disappointed

because we're like in Samoa

1156

01:57:07,041 --> 01:57:09,708

and we have all of this

like fire and all of this, like, stance.

1157

01:57:09,708 --> 01:57:12,708

And so I just

I wanted to stay longer in that, but I.

1158

01:57:14,208 --> 01:57:18,208

Imagine that is heart, you know, like

that would have been very expensive.

1159

01:57:18,208 --> 01:57:21,833

It probably would have like doubled

the price of this extremely expensive

1160

01:57:23,250 --> 01:57:25,916

scene, you know,

like you're not going to reset every day

1161

01:57:25,916 --> 01:57:28,541

for three nights,

like the studio does that. Right.

1162

01:57:28,541 --> 01:57:31,125

And in our oner episode,

they just keep it.

1163

01:57:31,125 --> 01:57:33,958

They I think they filmed it at sunset

1164

01:57:33,958 --> 01:57:36,916

every night for like four nights

in a row, 3 or 4 nights.

1165

01:57:36,916 --> 01:57:40,333

But it's also in one location

inside, right?

1166

01:57:40,333 --> 01:57:43,250

Like it's not this, like extravagant of a

1167

01:57:44,750 --> 01:57:45,416

it's not this

1168

01:57:45,416 --> 01:57:48,416

many people doing this

extravagant of stunts.

1169

01:57:49,333 --> 01:57:50,875

The continuity.

1170

01:57:50,875 --> 01:57:53,750

Like I'd be complaining about continuity

because I'd be like

1171

01:57:53,750 --> 01:57:56,208

the rock had a gash on his face

and now he doesn't.

1172

01:57:56,208 --> 01:58:00,625

Or, you know, like, But

the drastic shift of late, to me just is,

1173

01:58:01,791 --> 01:58:04,791

is always stuck out.

1174

01:58:05,166 --> 01:58:08,291

In a film that lets me lose myself

so completely right.

1175

01:58:08,958 --> 01:58:11,166

Saying,

1176

01:58:11,166 --> 01:58:14,458

yeah, now

I understand who actually understand that

1177

01:58:15,125 --> 01:58:19,708

it's the angle of the sun post sunrise,

how quickly morning becomes midday.

1178

01:58:20,500 --> 01:58:23,291

That's like freaking you out.

1179

01:58:23,291 --> 01:58:26,291

I can't do anything but say

1180

01:58:26,833 --> 01:58:29,166

literally true.

1181

01:58:29,166 --> 01:58:32,166

But, You're also the person that.

1182

01:58:33,458 --> 01:58:35,041

Obsesses about things

1183

01:58:35,041 --> 01:58:38,041

in such a nonsensical way that.

1184

01:58:38,291 --> 01:58:41,291

Yep. When Virgo season baby.

1185

01:58:43,083 --> 01:58:45,541

When I was helping you move.

1186

01:58:45,541 --> 01:58:46,625

Oh, no.

1187

01:58:46,625 --> 01:58:49,458

We spent years getting to the point of.

1188

01:58:49,458 --> 01:58:50,208

In general,

1189

01:58:51,458 --> 01:58:54,458

Jaclynn doesn't care about music.

1190

01:58:55,291 --> 01:58:57,375

Cole cares about music.

1191

01:58:57,375 --> 01:59:01,583

But it would be nice to have something

in the background while we sit in.

1192

01:59:01,958 --> 01:59:03,916

Otherwise silence.

1193

01:59:03,916 --> 01:59:05,708

Throwing out.

1194

01:59:05,708 --> 01:59:06,333

no big deal.

1195

01:59:06,333 --> 01:59:09,458

I can go pop into your computer,

pull stuff up.

1196

01:59:09,916 --> 01:59:11,500

I pull up

1197

01:59:11,500 --> 01:59:15,708

a playlist that you have called

Jaclynn's favorite songs.

1198

01:59:16,250 --> 01:59:18,458

And you were like, oh no, you.

1199

01:59:18,458 --> 01:59:21,458

Can not play that.

1200

01:59:21,458 --> 01:59:25,333

But none of those make any sense

1201

01:59:25,333 --> 01:59:29,208

or be any good in any context

other than I got obsessed with them.

1202

01:59:29,750 --> 01:59:31,458

I listen to them forever for no reason.

1203

01:59:31,458 --> 01:59:34,333

It's so real. It's so real.

1204

01:59:34,333 --> 01:59:35,416

This is literally true.

1205

01:59:35,416 --> 01:59:37,583

Do you do that, Robby? Like,

I have comfort songs.

1206

01:59:37,583 --> 01:59:39,916

I just need to listen to the same thing

again and again.

1207

01:59:39,916 --> 01:59:41,000

Yeah. And then.

1208

01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:43,750

And then they relate

back to a time in my life.

1209

01:59:43,750 --> 01:59:45,666

And so they, like, hold a memory forever.

1210

01:59:45,666 --> 01:59:49,833

And so like, like Ghetto Superstar,

I Just Found Out was written by Dolly

1211

01:59:49,833 --> 01:59:54,041

Parton is like one of those songs

where it's like, it's sort of like nobody

1212

01:59:54,041 --> 01:59:58,875

should know that that is on my repeats,

but it brings me great comfort, right?

1213

01:59:59,208 --> 02:00:02,208

Like Cole should never know

what is on that playlist.

1214

02:00:02,625 --> 02:00:03,250

Because.

1215

02:00:03,250 --> 02:00:05,250

Cole cares

deeply about music and it's like,

1216

02:00:06,416 --> 02:00:10,041

no, it just it was,

it was it existed in a time of my life,

1217

02:00:10,041 --> 02:00:13,291

and I happened to listen to it a bunch,

and now it brings me comfort.

1218

02:00:13,916 --> 02:00:15,583

Yeah.

1219

02:00:15,583 --> 02:00:17,500

It's the only secrets,

1220

02:00:17,500 --> 02:00:20,500

I think, that you keep for me.

1221

02:00:20,583 --> 02:00:21,166

And it's.

1222

02:00:21,166 --> 02:00:23,291

It keeps our friendship intact.

1223

02:00:23,291 --> 02:00:26,291

it is like my darkest secret is my music.

1224

02:00:27,250 --> 02:00:30,916

Like, what I actually listen to is

something I'd prefer no one to ever know.

1225

02:00:31,791 --> 02:00:33,083

But that is a secret.

1226

02:00:33,083 --> 02:00:34,416

I'll. I'll reveal to no one.

1227

02:00:34,416 --> 02:00:37,416

I don't care how intimate I get

with the person that will be.

1228

02:00:38,291 --> 02:00:40,416

never actually articulated it that way.

1229

02:00:40,416 --> 02:00:43,416

But with I mean,

I do have a little bit of that with music,

1230

02:00:43,416 --> 02:00:46,416

but I also have that with like

I will watch.

1231

02:00:47,708 --> 02:00:49,458

Climactic scenes from terrible

1232

02:00:49,458 --> 02:00:52,458

rom com rom coms and cry

1233

02:00:52,958 --> 02:00:56,583

like, like, and I will watch those

same scenes over and over again

1234

02:00:56,875 --> 02:00:59,041

when and I don't even need

to look at them.

1235

02:00:59,041 --> 02:01:01,500

I just need them

to be on in the background

1236

02:01:01,500 --> 02:01:04,625

because I need that, like, familiar,

I need that.

1237

02:01:05,208 --> 02:01:07,583

I need to have a TV shows too. Yeah.

1238

02:01:07,583 --> 02:01:10,833

with everything else

being chaos, the familiar becomes

1239

02:01:10,833 --> 02:01:13,125

almost all the more important.

1240

02:01:13,125 --> 02:01:15,208

That's it. Yeah.

1241

02:01:15,208 --> 02:01:17,416

Meanwhile,

Cole's favorite music is just noise.

1242

02:01:20,458 --> 02:01:20,833

Yeah.

1243

02:01:20,833 --> 02:01:22,125

Thank you.

1244

02:01:22,125 --> 02:01:23,041

Yeah.

1245

02:01:23,041 --> 02:01:26,041

Me tonal polyphonic.

1246

02:01:26,333 --> 02:01:29,333

Obviously.

1247

02:01:29,541 --> 02:01:33,166

No. you could also do a masterclass

on storytelling.

1248

02:01:33,166 --> 02:01:35,458

Zoe, I think you really captured

some stuff about.

1249

02:01:35,458 --> 02:01:37,916

Yeah, if I care about the stakes of

I care about the characters.

1250

02:01:37,916 --> 02:01:40,583

If there's emotion involved,

I'll forgive things.

1251

02:01:40,583 --> 02:01:42,041

I don't think I'm a casual movie watcher.

1252

02:01:42,041 --> 02:01:45,041

I really do love cinema

and thinking about how movies are made

1253

02:01:45,041 --> 02:01:46,833

and how stories are told.

1254

02:01:46,833 --> 02:01:50,833

This makes me think that like every single

film shoot should have an astronomer

1255

02:01:51,791 --> 02:01:53,333

But we get a very large moon.

1256

02:01:53,333 --> 02:01:55,500

We have a very large moon for our planet

size.

1257

02:01:55,500 --> 02:02:01,375

I like to sometimes imagine,

what if I was an alien visiting Earth.

1258

02:02:01,375 --> 02:02:03,125

What is something that an Earthling

1259

02:02:03,125 --> 02:02:06,833

absolutely took for granted that’d

really blow the alien away?

1260

02:02:07,208 --> 02:02:09,916

And one thing I think about is our moon.

1261

02:02:09,916 --> 02:02:13,583

Because for a planet

the size of Earth, having a moon

1262

02:02:13,583 --> 02:02:17,458

that size that large

and that close is unusual, right?

1263

02:02:17,458 --> 02:02:22,750

It was formed because proto Earth

and another forming planet was named Theia

1264

02:02:23,250 --> 02:02:27,458

crashed into each other, and the crash

resulted in the Earth and the moon.

1265

02:02:28,666 --> 02:02:30,416

That didn't happen to Mercury.

1266

02:02:30,416 --> 02:02:32,833

That didn't happen to Venus,

it didn't happen to Mars.

1267

02:02:32,833 --> 02:02:35,833

And none of the other inner planets

have a large moon.

1268

02:02:36,166 --> 02:02:39,416

You know, Mars has two small moons,

Mercury and Venus.

1269

02:02:39,416 --> 02:02:40,125

None.

1270

02:02:40,125 --> 02:02:44,666

So I can imagine if an alien had grown up

on an Earth like planet and visited Mars,

1271

02:02:44,666 --> 02:02:47,000

they would look at the moon

and just be like,

1272

02:02:47,000 --> 02:02:49,833

oh my God, you have that in your sky

all the time.

1273

02:02:49,833 --> 02:02:53,541

It's so beautiful and look how bright

it is at night when it's full.

1274

02:02:53,541 --> 02:02:58,750

I think that they would just be blown away

and we'd be like, was the moon nothing?

1275

02:02:58,875 --> 02:03:00,750

Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

1276

02:03:00,750 --> 02:03:04,291

Or that they'd be blown away

by how hot it is or how cold it is

1277

02:03:04,291 --> 02:03:07,750

or how volatile or boring the weather was.

1278

02:03:07,750 --> 02:03:08,333

And so.

1279

02:03:08,333 --> 02:03:11,208

And the moon is definitely one of those

that makes me think like.

1280

02:03:11,208 --> 02:03:13,125

Or maybe they come from a planet

that has lots of moons.

1281

02:03:13,125 --> 02:03:14,666

They're like, didn't you only have one?

1282

02:03:14,666 --> 02:03:16,333

Yeah, that's kind of boring.

1283

02:03:16,333 --> 02:03:19,375

That's such an interesting way

to look at it too, because whenever

1284

02:03:19,416 --> 02:03:23,333

we ask the question, like

if aliens came down, what would they see?

1285

02:03:23,583 --> 02:03:25,458

It's usually our behavior.

1286

02:03:25,458 --> 02:03:28,000

And, you know, yeah,

we think they care so much about us.

1287

02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:29,416

Yeah, yeah, yeah we do.

1288

02:03:29,416 --> 02:03:33,750

And even think about, like, oh, there's

this really cool aspect to the planet.

1289

02:03:34,833 --> 02:03:37,833

So it

looks I wonder if there's more of that.

1290

02:03:37,875 --> 02:03:38,250

Yeah.

1291

02:03:38,250 --> 02:03:41,416

And it's also a thing to remember that,

you know, we've landed in

1292

02:03:41,416 --> 02:03:44,416

on some of these planets

in a handful of places

1293

02:03:44,833 --> 02:03:46,875

and you think, oh, so we've explored Mars.

1294

02:03:46,875 --> 02:03:50,375

You're like, oh, we've landed in

like less than a dozen places.

1295

02:03:50,666 --> 02:03:55,333

Imagine that you landed in a dozen

random places on Earth and then went done.

1296

02:03:55,708 --> 02:03:56,708

We got it.

1297

02:03:56,708 --> 02:03:59,791

You know, it's like, no, don't got it.

1298

02:03:59,791 --> 02:04:02,083

And so I like to think about that.

1299

02:04:02,083 --> 02:04:05,291

I'd like to, you know, play the statistics

that if aliens sent a single probe

1300

02:04:05,291 --> 02:04:08,291

to Earth, right, statistically,

it's probably going to land in the ocean

1301

02:04:09,083 --> 02:04:10,791

and they're going to think, oh,

water world.

1302

02:04:10,791 --> 02:04:12,166

And that's going to be that.

1303

02:04:12,166 --> 02:04:12,750

That's so funny.

1304

02:04:12,750 --> 02:04:15,541

Yeah, they're just out here

like talking to our octopi.

1305

02:04:15,541 --> 02:04:18,708

They're just like

humans are so like they're aquatic.

1306

02:04:20,666 --> 02:04:22,958

The dolphins.

1307

02:04:22,958 --> 02:04:24,333

Honestly. They found the best of us.

1308

02:04:24,333 --> 02:04:25,666

Have they've done that. Yeah.