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Matt Edmundson:gOod evening and welcome to Crowd Online Church.
Matt Edmundson:My name is Matt Edmundson and beside me.
Matt Edmundson:It's the beautiful, the talented, the all round good egg, which is Ellie Light.
Matt Edmundson:Ellie, how are we doing?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, really
Ellie Light:well.
Ellie Light:Thank you.
Ellie Light:Slightly nervous about this microphone placement already.
Matt Edmundson:Already was slightly nervous about microphone placement.
Matt Edmundson:We've just been chatting.
Matt Edmundson:This is if you're new to Crowd Church, warm welcome to you, by the way.
Matt Edmundson:Ellie is you've been a speaker before on Crowd, but you've
Matt Edmundson:never actually hosted before.
Matt Edmundson:That's correct.
Matt Edmundson:Correct.
Ellie Light:Are you nervous?
Ellie Light:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:A little bit.
Matt Edmundson:A little bit.
Matt Edmundson:Yes.
Matt Edmundson:Welcome Ellie to Crowd Church.
Matt Edmundson:Thank you for hosting.
Matt Edmundson:Pleasure to be here.
Matt Edmundson:I'm excited.
Matt Edmundson:Ellie's first time hosting.
Matt Edmundson:Say hi to Ellie in the comments.
Matt Edmundson:Do come and join us in the comments.
Matt Edmundson:Evening Andy, Evening Matt, how are we all doing tonight?
Matt Edmundson:I can see the comments coming in.
Matt Edmundson:And tell me what you think to my new Christmas jumper, by the way.
Ellie Light:it's wonderful.
Ellie Light:Do I tell you or do they tell you?
Matt Edmundson:Both!
Matt Edmundson:They're gonna comment about it.
Matt Edmundson:Evening Nicola.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, they're gonna, they're gonna comment about it as well.
Matt Edmundson:But the, this is such a cool, my Star Wars Christmas jumper.
Matt Edmundson:I'm so excited with this.
Matt Edmundson:I've only got one
Ellie Light:Christmas jumper, really?
Ellie Light:Yeah, it's just got a snowman on it.
Matt Edmundson:You don't do the Christmas
Ellie Light:Jumper thing?
Ellie Light:No, it has got a carrot that comes out of it though.
Ellie Light:Oh,
Matt Edmundson:it's his nose, okay, cool.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, fair play.
Matt Edmundson:Just the one.
Matt Edmundson:Just the one.
Matt Edmundson:Every year we have a tradition in our house.
Matt Edmundson:I don't know about you guys.
Matt Edmundson:In fact, if you're in the comments, tell us what your Christmas traditions are.
Matt Edmundson:I'd be really curious to know.
Matt Edmundson:But we have this tradition whereby Every Saturday, the first Saturday of
Matt Edmundson:every December, which was yesterday, if people are wondering yesterday
Matt Edmundson:we walked down as a family to the shop that does the Christmas trees.
Matt Edmundson:So we walked from my house through the mystery, which
Matt Edmundson:is a park here in Liverpool.
Matt Edmundson:And we go choose the tree.
Matt Edmundson:And we all make sure that we're happy with the tree, we all get to see the
Matt Edmundson:tree out and then we walk back to the house and then an hour or two later
Matt Edmundson:they deliver the tree and we decorate the tree and we do the house up.
Matt Edmundson:Oh, so you're not even having to carry it?
Matt Edmundson:Oh, that's good.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, I'm too lazy for that, carrying that through the park.
Matt Edmundson:No!
Matt Edmundson:anD yeah we did our Christmas tree yesterday so the trees
Matt Edmundson:are up, the deckies are up.
Matt Edmundson:And I'm wearing Christmas jumpers because, we're in the run up to Christmas.
Ellie Light:Do you want Christmas do.
Ellie Light:What is yours?
Ellie Light:So in our family my dad's not really a fan of things being in the house.
Ellie Light:Like a settee?
Ellie Light:Yeah, just like excessive things that aren't needed.
Ellie Light:So we go out on Christmas Eve and we buy a really reduced Christmas tree
Ellie Light:for about three quid, because who buys a Christmas tree on Christmas Eve?
Ellie Light:Then we decorate it, and that's it, I don't know, it's up for about 3 4
Ellie Light:days, really, yeah, oh wow, depressing
Matt Edmundson:yeah, sorry Ellie's dad, that's just wrong on so many
Matt Edmundson:levels, oh dear, that's wrong on so many levels, and his decorations
Matt Edmundson:went up this This weekend as well.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, I think a lot of people go.
Matt Edmundson:It's the time to do it really.
Matt Edmundson:It is.
Matt Edmundson:We did this thing where actually yesterday cause normally this is a family tradition
Matt Edmundson:for us going to get in the tree, right?
Matt Edmundson:And we because our family in theory has grown over the years, as we have
Matt Edmundson:adopted more and more people and had more and more people come live with
Matt Edmundson:us, have become part of the family.
Matt Edmundson:They've subsequently left, got married.
Matt Edmundson:And so there was like 16 of us going to this, picked the Christmas tree yesterday.
Matt Edmundson:There was a lot of people including Sadaf, who's been on the live stream.
Matt Edmundson:She just sent me a text saying, Oh, I'm coming as well.
Matt Edmundson:I'm going to get a Christmas tree.
Matt Edmundson:So Sadaf and the family came down.
Matt Edmundson:So 17 of us just wandered down, which was amazing.
Matt Edmundson:The guy at the Christmas tree shop did, was overwhelmed by the amount
Matt Edmundson:of the Edmo family coming down, , or Team 53 as we call ourselves.
Matt Edmundson:And , we all then went back to the house and had some food, which I'd
Matt Edmundson:spent four or five hours cooking.
Matt Edmundson:We did, some really nice food.
Matt Edmundson:And so yeah, we by the end of last night, I was absolutely knackered, . Aw.
Matt Edmundson:I was like so we first, I don't do it in November.
Matt Edmundson:Don't do Christmas decorations in November.
Matt Edmundson:And like some people like Jenny Oliver, who works here.
Matt Edmundson:She does Christmas decorations in November.
Matt Edmundson:I'm like, there's just no way.
Matt Edmundson:So Will's put here in the comments your dad, I'm assuming
Matt Edmundson:he's talking to you Ellie.
Matt Edmundson:Your dad sounds like mine.
Matt Edmundson:We went out with a saw and found some scraggy twig on Christmas Eve.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah,
Ellie Light:Brilliant.
Ellie Light:Yeah, thankfully we do actually get a real Proper tree.
Ellie Light:And it's so cheap then as well.
Ellie Light:That's the thing that's amazing about it.
Ellie Light:You're getting one, like a really good one for three quid.
Matt Edmundson:But if you think about it, if it's only for
Matt Edmundson:three days, it's a pound a day.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, great.
Matt Edmundson:But that's how much it costs for a normal Christmas tree all December.
Ellie Light:I'm not paying for it.
Matt Edmundson:But you have, we're going to get into the talk
Matt Edmundson:in a minute, ladies and gentlemen.
Matt Edmundson:We will move on.
Matt Edmundson:Don't panic.
Matt Edmundson:But you have got a new house.
Matt Edmundson:I have.
Matt Edmundson:I say now.
Matt Edmundson:I've been there about a year now.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:And have you got the tree
Ellie Light:up?
Ellie Light:No, I don't.
Ellie Light:I'm actually, I've put some fairy lights around my banister.
Ellie Light:And that's it.
Ellie Light:That's
Matt Edmundson:as far as you've got so far.
Matt Edmundson:That's as far as I've got.
Matt Edmundson:Now you're in control of your own destiny here in your own house.
Matt Edmundson:Are you going to follow your dad's, I get a tree on Christmas Eve thing?
Matt Edmundson:I'm going to
Ellie Light:go home for Christmas no.
Matt Edmundson:Wow, okay, fair enough.
Matt Edmundson:Matt Crew says he doesn't do Christmas decorations at all.
Matt Edmundson:Why does that not surprise me, Matt?
Matt Edmundson:Nicola, the force is strong with this one.
Matt Edmundson:Yes.
Matt Edmundson:Talking about my jumper.
Matt Edmundson:Oh, very good.
Matt Edmundson:Very good.
Matt Edmundson:So yeah, Christmas.
Matt Edmundson:Merry Christmas to you.
Matt Edmundson:Warm welcome to you.
Matt Edmundson:If you just joined us, like I say, my name is Matt.
Matt Edmundson:This is Ellie and we are Crowd Online Church talking about Christmas.
Matt Edmundson:Cause Christmas is a big thing for the church.
Matt Edmundson:We do like Christmas.
Matt Edmundson:We do have a Christmas service this year, so stay tuned.
Matt Edmundson:We'll give you more information about that later.
Matt Edmundson:But for now we are going to carry on with our conversation through the book of Acts.
Matt Edmundson:We have the beautiful.
Anna Kettle:Anna
Ellie Light:Kettle.
Ellie Light:I read that off a piece of paper, obviously.
Matt Edmundson:It's just like we did in rehearsals, ladies and gentlemen.
Matt Edmundson:We've got Anna Kettle talking to us about the Book of Acts.
Matt Edmundson:This week it's The Correct Talk.
Matt Edmundson:Matt, I saw you put that in the comments earlier.
Matt Edmundson:We are going to do The Correct Talk today.
Matt Edmundson:God bless the guys last week, that was a little bit of a mess up.
Matt Edmundson:I say mess up.
Matt Edmundson:It was just, it was a beautiful accident is what it was Dan
Matt Edmundson:and John they had a great time.
Matt Edmundson:I was in Paris, so I was just grateful they were doing it if I'm honest with you.
Matt Edmundson:Had a weekend away celebrating 25 years.
Matt Edmundson:Oh, that's nice, isn't it?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, 25th anniversary, me and Sharon, which was lovely.
Matt Edmundson:So we had a great time in Paris.
Matt Edmundson:Great stuff.
Matt Edmundson:So all that said, I am gonna push this button on the pad.
Matt Edmundson:We're gonna have Anna on the talk, then Ellie and I will be back
Matt Edmundson:after this for Conversation Street.
Matt Edmundson:Get busy writing your comments, questions, thoughts, stories, and all
Matt Edmundson:that sort of stuff in the comments.
Matt Edmundson:We'll be back soon.
Matt Edmundson:Here's Anna.
Anna Kettle:Hi there.
Anna Kettle:So today I'm talking about Paul's journey to Jerusalem.
Anna Kettle:You can read all about this story in Acts chapter 21.
Anna Kettle:So we're continuing our series looking at the book of Acts today and passage on.
Anna Kettle:Looking at, and have been asked to speak on, is Acts 21, verse 1, 3 to 36.
Anna Kettle:Now that's quite a long passage, so I'm not going to read it all here right now.
Anna Kettle:Instead, I'm going to just summarize the narrative, what happens in that passage
Anna Kettle:to give us a little bit of context for this talk, and then suggest that maybe
Anna Kettle:you can go away and look at it in your own time and read it in more detail.
Anna Kettle:So basically, just to take us to the beginning of the chapter then, so Paul
Anna Kettle:is planning to go to Jerusalem to share the good news, to encourage the believers
Anna Kettle:there, and also share the good news with those that aren't believers yet.
Anna Kettle:And the first part of this chapter just follows his journey as he travels through
Anna Kettle:the Greek Isles through courts and raids, then he goes down past Cyprus on a boat.
Anna Kettle:And then onto the mainland in the Middle East, so he first goes through Syria and
Anna Kettle:then down into Lebanon, below it, and then down on into Israel, into Jerusalem,
Anna Kettle:which is his ultimate destination.
Anna Kettle:However, this journey that he's taking is not straightforward.
Anna Kettle:No longer he receives a number of warnings not to go to Jerusalem because he's
Anna Kettle:going to be arrested there and that it's going to be dangerous for him to go.
Anna Kettle:Now, the first time this happens along the journey in this passage is
Anna Kettle:when he lands in Tyre, which is in Lebanon, and the Christians there are
Anna Kettle:warning him not to go to Jerusalem.
Anna Kettle:They say that the Holy Spirit have taught them that it's going to be dangerous,
Anna Kettle:and so they're warning him not to go.
Anna Kettle:And yet, as much as he hears their pleas and their concerns for him, he
Anna Kettle:says, no, I'm going to go to Jerusalem.
Anna Kettle:This is what God's told me to do.
Anna Kettle:I'm going to go.
Anna Kettle:And then later on in this journey, again, as he's traveling down into
Anna Kettle:Israel and towards Jerusalem, he's getting placed to his destination.
Anna Kettle:He's traveling through an area called Caesarea, which is to the north of Israel.
Anna Kettle:And as he's travelling through there, he receives a warning
Anna Kettle:from a prophet called Achebes.
Anna Kettle:Now, Achebes, again, has very clearly heard a word from God.
Anna Kettle:He's had a prophecy and he goes to tell Paul when he's staying
Anna Kettle:with Philip the Evangelist.
Anna Kettle:He says that the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem are planning to arrest
Anna Kettle:him and hand him over to the Gentiles when he arrives there.
Anna Kettle:Then so again, the Christians are disciples there.
Anna Kettle:The follow Jesus there in that area hear this and they peed where they're not go.
Anna Kettle:They're understandably concerned for his safety and worried that he's gonna be
Anna Kettle:arrested or that horn won't come to him.
Anna Kettle:That he could even be chilled if he's arrested when he gets to Jerusalem.
Anna Kettle:So they're saying, don't go and yet pause, answer.
Anna Kettle:It's really interesting at this point.
Anna Kettle:He says this, he says, Why are you weeping and breaking my heart?
Anna Kettle:I am ready not only to be bound, but also to die in Jerusalem
Anna Kettle:for the name of the Lord Jesus.
Anna Kettle:Wow, that is quite a severe answer, isn't it?
Anna Kettle:It's quite intentional, there's nothing that is going to move him or
Anna Kettle:dissuade him from going to Jerusalem.
Anna Kettle:He's like very single minded about going because he believes God's told him.
Anna Kettle:And finally the Christians there realize, and so they give up, they realize they
Anna Kettle:can't stand in his way, that he's going to go, that he believes God's told him to
Anna Kettle:go and that he has to be obedient to that.
Anna Kettle:And in the end they resolve saying, okay, the Lord's will be done then.
Anna Kettle:And of course, Paul continues on his journey and he does go to Jerusalem.
Anna Kettle:And of course, when he does, sure enough, false accusations
Anna Kettle:are thrown at him by the local religious leaders there in Jerusalem.
Anna Kettle:And so he is arrested and he is imprisoned for his faith.
Anna Kettle:Now, that's the kind of context of the story.
Anna Kettle:I don't know about you, but I find this slightly confusing chapter.
Anna Kettle:It's weird, isn't it?
Anna Kettle:That Paul feels that God has told him to go and to preach the gospel in Jerusalem.
Anna Kettle:And so he's got this clear word from God.
Anna Kettle:And yet, along his journey, the Holy Spirit sends loads of different warnings
Anna Kettle:for the danger ahead in his journey.
Anna Kettle:And then he still goes straight into that danger anyway.
Anna Kettle:It leaves me feeling what's the point of all that?
Anna Kettle:What is this passage trying to tell us?
Anna Kettle:On the one hand, is Paul being disobedient to God by ignoring all of these
Anna Kettle:warnings and going into, the danger?
Anna Kettle:Is he being silly?
Anna Kettle:I'm not sure I would have gone if I'd received so many warnings about being
Anna Kettle:arrested and possibly a threat in my life.
Anna Kettle:Is he being disobedient to God?
Anna Kettle:Is he ignoring the warnings of the Holy Spirit?
Anna Kettle:But then equally, is God contradicting himself?
Anna Kettle:Because he's already told Paul to go, and Paul feels so
Anna Kettle:confident that he should be going.
Anna Kettle:So then why is the Holy Spirit seeming to contradict what
Anna Kettle:God has already said to him?
Anna Kettle:It doesn't make any sense to me.
Anna Kettle:Paul feels very strongly that God's told him to get in there and he's acting on
Anna Kettle:that conviction but now he's getting all these warnings, danger ahead.
Anna Kettle:I Guess there's three simple points that I want to pull out of this
Anna Kettle:passage which might just help us with some of our understanding of it.
Anna Kettle:The first one is this, it's that God always prepares us for what he asks of us.
Anna Kettle:I'll say that again, God always prepares us for what he asks of us.
Anna Kettle:So just going back to that question about why God sent those
Anna Kettle:warnings to Paul and he still went.
Anna Kettle:Personally, I think that those warnings from the Holy Spirit were
Anna Kettle:intended to prepare Paul, but not necessarily to stop him from going.
Anna Kettle:And I think there's a difference, isn't there?
Anna Kettle:That they're about preparing his heart, about getting him ready for what lies
Anna Kettle:ahead, for the challenges that lie ahead in the road ahead of him on this journey.
Anna Kettle:That's not, being warned about what lies ahead doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong
Anna Kettle:for him to go, or that he shouldn't go, that the other Christians around him were
Anna Kettle:saying, don't go, but that's their inhuman projections and their own anxieties,
Anna Kettle:that them talking about their own fears, that's not necessarily what God's saying.
Anna Kettle:And so these warnings aren't necessarily a warning not to go, but
Anna Kettle:just a warning about what lies ahead.
Anna Kettle:And they helped him to be more prepared and ready for
Anna Kettle:what God was calling him into.
Anna Kettle:And yet, I wonder how often we make a similar mistake where, when hardship
Anna Kettle:comes, we're too quick to give up.
Anna Kettle:I Wonder sometimes when things get hard in our own journeys of faith, or when we
Anna Kettle:meet resistance or hit difficulties along the way that we suddenly start to question
Anna Kettle:whether, was that really God's will?
Anna Kettle:That questions that.
Anna Kettle:Was it really what God wants of us?
Anna Kettle:Is it still really what God wants of us?
Anna Kettle:Are we still on the right path?
Anna Kettle:Have we heard God right?
Anna Kettle:And we're so quick to question and to doubt what God's asked
Anna Kettle:of us when difficulty comes.
Anna Kettle:But sometimes those difficulties don't mean that we're on the wrong path
Anna Kettle:or that we're not hearing God right.
Anna Kettle:It just means that path is hard.
Anna Kettle:Difficulties don't mean that you're on the wrong path.
Anna Kettle:Often they mean that you're on the right path.
Anna Kettle:And that is just a difficult journey that you're undertaking.
Anna Kettle:And that brings me on to my second point, which is that Paul was so willing to take
Anna Kettle:risks and endure hardship for his faith.
Anna Kettle:He was so willing to go through difficulty.
Anna Kettle:He was warned of incredible hardship ahead, that he'd be arrested and
Anna Kettle:imprisoned, and that he could potentially even die or be putting his life at risk.
Anna Kettle:And yet he didn't seem to hesitate in any way, even though others around him.
Anna Kettle:We're really anxious and telling him not to go.
Anna Kettle:He didn't hesitate because he knew what God had told him and he didn't
Anna Kettle:doubt it and he didn't waver on it.
Anna Kettle:Now, I'm not suggesting that those similar kinds of troubles are probably going to
Anna Kettle:face many of us in our own walks of faith.
Anna Kettle:At least not here in the UK.
Anna Kettle:I know that some Christians elsewhere in the world right now can sometimes face
Anna Kettle:persecution, arrest, imprisonment, maybe even death for their faith, but that's
Anna Kettle:not common, certainly not here in the UK.
Anna Kettle:And so Yeah, but at the same time, it makes me think there are other
Anna Kettle:risks that we're asked to take for our faith sometimes, aren't they?
Anna Kettle:Even very small ones, and I wonder how willing we are we
Anna Kettle:willing like Paul to not hesitate?
Anna Kettle:Do we actually hesitate when those small difficulties come?
Anna Kettle:Do we hesitate when we're worried about feeling a bit embarrassed about
Anna Kettle:talking about our faith to people that don't share it or understand it?
Anna Kettle:Are we potentially worried about sounding a bit weird or about having our attentions
Anna Kettle:misunderstood or misinterpreted when we share about our experiences with God?
Anna Kettle:There's so many different levels of risk and different types of hardship that we
Anna Kettle:can be asked to endure for our faith.
Anna Kettle:I don't think many of us have had to endure to the point of
Anna Kettle:arrest or imprisonment or death.
Anna Kettle:And the third part that I wanted to just pull out of this passage was that
Anna Kettle:enduring hardship is actually part of what it means to follow Christ.
Anna Kettle:I know this isn't a particularly popular message, particularly in all
Anna Kettle:Western churches where we're quite used to being quite comfortable in
Anna Kettle:our faith, but actually when you read about the early church here in the
Anna Kettle:book of Acts, you just can't get away from the truth that following Jesus
Anna Kettle:isn't always easy or comfortable.
Anna Kettle:thE word Christian.
Anna Kettle:Literally means Follower of Christ I am, Christ Follower, and yeah, I wonder
Anna Kettle:how many of us who call ourselves Christians, who say that we believe
Anna Kettle:in and follow Jesus, aren't actually that willing to follow him into
Anna Kettle:difficult things, into hardships, into discomfort, into putting others before
Anna Kettle:ourselves, um, into Making ourselves uncomfortable through our faith and, I
Anna Kettle:count myself in this challenge as well.
Anna Kettle:I find this stuff hard.
Anna Kettle:I actually see some real parallels in this story about Paul troubling
Anna Kettle:towards Jerusalem and knowing that there's hardship ahead of his
Anna Kettle:journey and also the story of Jesus before his arrest and crucifixion.
Anna Kettle:In the Gospels, before Jesus was arrested in the Garden of Gethsemane
Anna Kettle:and ultimately faced a horrific death in the cross, there's at least three
Anna Kettle:times in the Gospel accounts of his life where he predicts his own death
Anna Kettle:to his disciples and his followers.
Anna Kettle:And there's possibly other more subtle references that he knew what was coming
Anna Kettle:too, but there's certainly at least three occasions in the Gospel accounts
Anna Kettle:where Jesus Makes it clear that he knows what's coming, he knows what's
Anna Kettle:ahead in his own journey as well.
Anna Kettle:He knows that a cross is coming and that he'll be arrested.
Anna Kettle:Yeah, it's challenging, isn't it?
Anna Kettle:And just like Paul, Jesus didn't shy away from that difficult road ahead.
Anna Kettle:When he faced imminent death, these were some of the final words that he spoke.
Anna Kettle:He said, Father, if you are willing to take this cup away from me, and yet not
Anna Kettle:my will, but your will be done, you can read that passage in Luke 22 verse 42.
Anna Kettle:And it strikes me that's not that different Paul's response
Anna Kettle:here in, in the Book of Acts.
Anna Kettle:iS it?
Anna Kettle:He's, The conclusion here is the Lord's will be done.
Anna Kettle:That was the conclusion that the disciples came to when he refused to change course
Anna Kettle:or to stop in his journey, to not carry his journey on into difficult things.
Anna Kettle:And it leaves me feeling that challenge of, I wonder how many of us
Anna Kettle:are willing, toss that, say the same kind of thing when things get hard
Anna Kettle:in journey of faith with challenges coming our lives when God asks us to do
Anna Kettle:something and then to go and gets tough.
Anna Kettle:How many of us can say a similar thing, not my will Lord for yours be done.
Anna Kettle:As I said, not many of us are going to be asked to, lay down our lives for our
Anna Kettle:faith, at least not in this country, or threatened with arrest and imprisonment.
Anna Kettle:But, there are other things that we may have to surrender to God.
Anna Kettle:How many of our comforts are right?
Anna Kettle:Are we willing to part with our cash when Jesus asks us to give someone
Anna Kettle:a wage someone who needs something?
Anna Kettle:Or to part with our material things?
Anna Kettle:Or to give up our time when Jesus asks us to serve someone who needs something?
Anna Kettle:Are we willing to give a poll right to a certain kind of
Anna Kettle:lifestyle or quality of life?
Anna Kettle:Are we willing to put relationships or family or career or other things second
Anna Kettle:to what Jesus is calling us to do?
Anna Kettle:iT's, there's one example that I've got from my life in the
Anna Kettle:last couple of years where.
Anna Kettle:I had an opportunity to take a promotion at work, and this promotion would
Anna Kettle:have meant quite a significant amount more money, and I would be paid quite
Anna Kettle:a bit more, and a lot of colleagues were saying you should go for it,
Anna Kettle:you'll totally get it if you go for this, you can do this job, it's almost
Anna Kettle:certainly yours if you go for this role.
Anna Kettle:At the same time, it's quite a lot more responsibility and time commitment too.
Anna Kettle:And, I prayed about it and thought about it for a number of days and
Anna Kettle:I just didn't really feel any peace in myself about going for this role.
Anna Kettle:And it was because I felt like the role was going to take me away from
Anna Kettle:some of the other things that God was calling me to do in my spare time.
Anna Kettle:It was going to take me away from being spending enough time with
Anna Kettle:my family, but also from different ways that I was serving him.
Anna Kettle:Even doing things like this, like doing talks for Crowd Church,
Anna Kettle:or podcasting, or writing.
Anna Kettle:Other things that I, ways that I feel like God's asked me to serve them.
Anna Kettle:And I didn't go for the role.
Anna Kettle:And it, that might not be the area of challenge for everyone right now.
Anna Kettle:It may not be that God's asking you to put your career second to you.
Anna Kettle:They're following him.
Anna Kettle:I wonder if there are any other areas of your life where Jesus is asking you
Anna Kettle:to take a risk, or maybe to count the cost by choosing obedience to him over
Anna Kettle:your own comfort or unusual preferences.
Anna Kettle:thEre's loads of different areas where this can apply.
Anna Kettle:And it might be a very different challenge that is coming up in your life,
Anna Kettle:but as I said, just because something that seems difficult doesn't mean
Anna Kettle:it's the right or wrong thing to do.
Anna Kettle:Something that God has called you to do something, he'll give
Anna Kettle:you the tools to go through it.
Anna Kettle:And I can say that, or say, It may not be an easy decision
Anna Kettle:always to be obedient to God.
Anna Kettle:In all the years that I've been a Christian, I've never once regretted
Anna Kettle:doing what God has asked me to do, even when it feels challenging or hard
Anna Kettle:at the time to make that decision.
Anna Kettle:So I just want to leave us with that thought today, really.
Anna Kettle:Perhaps just ask you to take a moment to reflect on that.
Anna Kettle:So reflect on the cost of following Jesus in your life right now.
Anna Kettle:And as you do that, I just also want to finish with a short prayer, and I'm
Anna Kettle:going to pray for us all if that's okay.
Anna Kettle:So Lord, we're so sorry that we can be slow to do what you're asking
Anna Kettle:of us sometimes, or reluctant.
Anna Kettle:Sometimes we don't want to be inconvenienced, or to have our
Anna Kettle:comfortable lives disrupted, or to really have to count the cost.
Anna Kettle:And in these times.
Anna Kettle:I just ask that you'd help us to remember how much you have given up for
Anna Kettle:us and how you paid the ultimate cost.
Anna Kettle:Because you're an innocent man who died on the cross as a sacrifice for us.
Anna Kettle:You went and you did all that in our place.
Anna Kettle:And so I pray that in response to that you would help us to say in every situation
Anna Kettle:that we come across, just as Jesus did and as so many other Christians have done too,
Anna Kettle:Lord, I'm finding it hard to say yes to what you're asking of me right now, today.
Anna Kettle:Yet, not my will, but your will be done.
Anna Kettle:In Jesus name,
Matt Edmundson:Amen.
Matt Edmundson:Amen.
Matt Edmundson:Amen to that.
Matt Edmundson:Oh, great talk by Anna.
Matt Edmundson:I love that.
Matt Edmundson:We're going to get into that.
Matt Edmundson:We're going to get into this whole thing that Anna was, jeez,
Matt Edmundson:what a lot to get into there.
Matt Edmundson:So we're going to get into all that.
Matt Edmundson:Make sure you write your questions, comments, thoughts in the comments below.
Matt Edmundson:And we will get to those as well.
Matt Edmundson:What a great talk though, Anna.
Matt Edmundson:Loved it.
Matt Edmundson:Loved it.
Matt Edmundson:Loved it.
Matt Edmundson:Thank you.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:What did you like about it?
Matt Edmundson:I'd say is maybe the wrong word.
Matt Edmundson:What was the key point do you think that stood out to you in that talk?
Ellie Light:I'm not sure necessarily a key point, but I think what was
Ellie Light:really, I found really powerful about it was just the honesty of it.
Ellie Light:I think talking about the hard things in faith is really important.
Ellie Light:I'm not necessarily sure we do it enough.
Ellie Light:I think it's very easy to walk into Christianity and think, Oh, great.
Ellie Light:This is brilliant.
Ellie Light:Everyone says how wonderful it is and now everything's
Ellie Light:going to be better afterwards.
Ellie Light:After I've met Jesus and all of this, but actually, wE still
Ellie Light:face really difficult things.
Ellie Light:The answer is that he's with us in them.
Ellie Light:Not that they disappear or and particularly on this, that it's
Ellie Light:so challenging that God's then asking to actually go into a
Ellie Light:physically dangerous situation.
Ellie Light:Ooh, I'd find that hard.
Matt Edmundson:God's not asked you to do that recently.
Matt Edmundson:I take it.
Matt Edmundson:No, not
Ellie Light:recently.
Ellie Light:No.
Matt Edmundson:It's yeah, no, not at all.
Matt Edmundson:iT's interesting.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah it's funny, isn't it?
Matt Edmundson:This constant conversation.
Matt Edmundson:We've been working our way through the book of Acts, right?
Matt Edmundson:And one of the things that has come up consistently in the Book of Acts
Matt Edmundson:and we've brought it up a number of times on the live stream, is this
Matt Edmundson:idea that you cannot read the Book of Acts and go, yeah, Christianity is
Matt Edmundson:sunshine, rainbows and unicorns, right?
Matt Edmundson:It just isn't.
Matt Edmundson:But what you can do is say that Christianity is a God who is with you.
Matt Edmundson:And actually, the path that you go is not always easy.
Matt Edmundson:But he is always with you on it, right?
Matt Edmundson:And I think this is brought out again in this This portion of scripture.
Matt Edmundson:What's interesting to me about what you said and about what we read in the book
Matt Edmundson:of Acts is the reason for the hardship.
Matt Edmundson:If that makes sense.
Matt Edmundson:So sometimes we go through hardships or difficulties because let's be frank.
Matt Edmundson:We were stupid.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, do you know what I mean?
Matt Edmundson:We made some rather.
Matt Edmundson:Rather strange decisions along the way.
Matt Edmundson:A classic one for me is I don't, you can see, part of my
Matt Edmundson:right index finger is missing.
Matt Edmundson:And so that was not a pleasant time.
Matt Edmundson:When I had my accident, I cut through three of my fingers.
Matt Edmundson:My youngest son, my middle child, Zach was like weeks old, weeks old.
Matt Edmundson:Maybe days old.
Matt Edmundson:He was super young.
Matt Edmundson:And I made a stupid mistake.
Matt Edmundson:I took the safety guard off a saw.
Matt Edmundson:Oh,
Ellie Light:never do that.
Matt Edmundson:Where were you 20 years ago?
Matt Edmundson:But it was something that I had to go through.
Matt Edmundson:And I cannot in all of those circumstances go.
Matt Edmundson:It was.
Matt Edmundson:It was something that God wanted for my life, right?
Matt Edmundson:And it was a mistake that I made.
Matt Edmundson:It was a stupid decision that I made that cost me.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:And that resulted in hardship.
Matt Edmundson:Does that make sense?
Matt Edmundson:In more ways than one, in a lot of ways, it's affected us.
Matt Edmundson:And in ways that, we've we've learned to live with it, but I'm always
Matt Edmundson:reminded that actually There were enough warnings from God never to take
Matt Edmundson:the safety guard off the saw you don't even need God to warn you to do that
Ellie Light:Yeah,
Matt Edmundson:there's common sense yeah, but it turns out
Matt Edmundson:I didn't have any Who knew?
Matt Edmundson:And so Matt's Crew's put in the comments here, Ellie, this
Matt Edmundson:is Matt's I'm an idiot story.
Matt Edmundson:I'm getting that, yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Nicholas put safety first.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, thanks guys.
Matt Edmundson:Appreciate it.
Matt Edmundson:Just, give me the heads up now.
Matt Edmundson:But it was, it's fascinating, isn't it?
Matt Edmundson:So we, I think we go through difficult things in life because
Matt Edmundson:of decisions that we make.
Matt Edmundson:I can tell you, we'd go all night about the stupid decisions
Matt Edmundson:that Matt's made over his life.
Matt Edmundson:Money.
Matt Edmundson:finances, things with work, that's cost us a lot of money, making really
Matt Edmundson:silly decisions and you're man alive, um, but even when it's my fault, God's
Matt Edmundson:still with me in it, if that makes sense, which is a beautiful thing.
Matt Edmundson:So I think sometimes, in fact, most of the time, I have faced things
Matt Edmundson:And the hardships that I've come across, the reason for them is
Matt Edmundson:because I was a bit of a plonker.
Matt Edmundson:That said, in this story and in certain occasions in my life, I dare say certain
Matt Edmundson:occasions in your life, the reason for the hardship was because God said go.
Matt Edmundson:Do you know what I mean?
Matt Edmundson:And God's told Paul to go into a particularly difficult situation.
Matt Edmundson:And I love what Anna said that The reason it feels, it seems like God is
Matt Edmundson:telling these things to Paul is not to dissuade him but to prepare him.
Matt Edmundson:Yes.
Matt Edmundson:Do you know what I mean?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Now if it was me, I think Anna mentioned this in her talk, if it
Matt Edmundson:was me, I would hear those warnings and I'd be like that's it, I'm out.
Matt Edmundson:This is God telling me not to go.
Matt Edmundson:I would have gone to the beach maybe or something.
Matt Edmundson:I don't know.
Matt Edmundson:But it's interesting that Paul didn't, right?
Matt Edmundson:And so there are sometimes there are some occasions where God deliberately leads
Matt Edmundson:you into places that create hardship.
Matt Edmundson:And that is not an easy theology.
Ellie Light:Yeah, no, I think what I find particularly helpful about this
Ellie Light:and weighing up, I quite often get a bit overwhelmed at the idea of, is God
Ellie Light:telling me to do this or this and getting quite caught up in like the details of.
Ellie Light:Am I hearing from God?
Ellie Light:Am I not hearing from God?
Ellie Light:And that's usually when I'm like okay, chill out because God doesn't come
Ellie Light:into your life to create confusion.
Ellie Light:And what I love about this is for Paul, he's so sure that all of his mates
Ellie Light:that he's meeting along the way telling him you're going to get hurt and you
Ellie Light:might get arrested and you might die.
Ellie Light:He is still so sure that he knows that he's going anyway.
Ellie Light:Yeah.
Ellie Light:And I find that particularly encouraging with the whole, how do I know when
Ellie Light:God's speaking to me and when he's not?
Ellie Light:Yeah, because actually, if he needs me to know, I'll know, because if Paul can know
Ellie Light:and go to it and know that he's walking into that, and be so sure that's what
Ellie Light:he needs to do, because God has told him in such a way that he is very sure of
Ellie Light:that, then I'm sure he can tell me quite clearly about whether I need to like do
Ellie Light:this or do that, do you know what I mean?
Ellie Light:Yeah,
Matt Edmundson:absolutely.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:So that's what Matt's put here.
Matt Edmundson:In all situations, remember that God can give you the guidance at all
Matt Edmundson:times, which I think is quite true.
Matt Edmundson:It's interesting.
Matt Edmundson:I don't know if we've come across, I can't remember where that's in
Matt Edmundson:the book of Acts is because it's all blurred into one in all the prep.
Matt Edmundson:There's this really interesting part in the book of Acts where Paul goes on
Matt Edmundson:one of his missionary journeys, right?
Matt Edmundson:Paul is, to give you some sort of insight into Paul's character, Paul
Matt Edmundson:is, I think he's an action man.
Matt Edmundson:He's a doing guy.
Matt Edmundson:He's right.
Matt Edmundson:What was the last, he's the kind of guy that would respond to the question,
Matt Edmundson:what was the last thing God said to me?
Matt Edmundson:Let's keep doing that until I feel like God's told me to do something else.
Matt Edmundson:And so he's very much an action guy.
Matt Edmundson:He's the kind of guy that if you said to him, if you, if he was alive today, you
Matt Edmundson:put him in a car on one side of Liverpool city centre and you said Paul you need
Matt Edmundson:to get to the cross the other side.
Matt Edmundson:He's just going to get in a car and go.
Matt Edmundson:he's going to feel his way rather than just wait for all the traffic
Matt Edmundson:lights to turn green and all of the ducks lined up and off he goes.
Matt Edmundson:And neither one is right or wrong.
Matt Edmundson:But this is part, this is why I see in Paul's personality is he's an action guy.
Matt Edmundson:He's a doing guy.
Matt Edmundson:And so he heads off.
Matt Edmundson:On one of his mission trips.
Matt Edmundson:And the way the scripture, but I love the old the old King James version.
Matt Edmundson:Oh yeah.
Matt Edmundson:The way it talks about this, he said the Holy Spirit constrained him.
Matt Edmundson:Oh, he was constrained.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:And this is Paul.
Matt Edmundson:This is the Apostle Paul, who wrote two thirds of the New Testament.
Matt Edmundson:He's heading in direction.
Matt Edmundson:It's when he goes that he feels God constraining him.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:In other words.
Matt Edmundson:I don't know if Paul knew or didn't know whether this was the right thing to do,
Matt Edmundson:but he's an action guy, so I'm just going to keep going until I'm told otherwise.
Matt Edmundson:And I get that impression in this story that we read today, that
Matt Edmundson:this is Paul, he's okay, so I'm going to get changed, so what?
Matt Edmundson:God's told me to go, so I'm going.
Ellie Light:Mad that he doesn't think that his mates
Ellie Light:been like, you're gonna die.
Ellie Light:It's God saying, oh, stop.
Matt Edmundson:That's funny, isn't it?
Matt Edmundson:It is funny how we interpret those things.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, really, because, and this is what again, that in the story.
Matt Edmundson:So the Christians in the story, the church in Jerusalem would
Matt Edmundson:like man, you need to not go.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, yes.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Everyone was going,
Ellie Light:what are you doing?
Ellie Light:I find that so challenging.
Ellie Light:I find that really challenging.
Matt Edmundson:But again, you come to being led by God, there's this there
Matt Edmundson:is this very correct teaching in the church, which says, in the mouth of
Matt Edmundson:two or three witnesses, let a thing be established, there is safety in a
Matt Edmundson:multitude of counselors, this, all this stuff when scripture, which talks about,
Matt Edmundson:I'm just trying to scratch my head around the microphone it's just this
Matt Edmundson:whole thing in scripture about listening to one another, bearing one another's
Matt Edmundson:burdens, God speaks to you through other people and here God is speaking, but
Matt Edmundson:Paul had the ability to discern that.
Matt Edmundson:What was preparation versus instruction and that I find very challenging.
Ellie Light:Yeah, me too.
Ellie Light:I also love what was it that he said?
Ellie Light:I love how emotional Paul is like all the time.
Ellie Light:But I just think it's really a nice and encouraging thing.
Ellie Light:It's not Oh, an emotional man.
Ellie Light:Wow.
Ellie Light:It's when he says, why are you weeping and breaking my heart?
Ellie Light:I just think that's so oh, I think that's really beautiful because I
Ellie Light:can just imagine being like, guys, I just really need encouragement.
Ellie Light:Stop stop telling me I'm going to die.
Ellie Light:And yeah, breaking my heart like this, it's, it exposes that he is, he's
Ellie Light:nervous about this, that he's scared about it and that he is, there's an
Ellie Light:element of him being heartbroken at the idea that's what he's walking into.
Ellie Light:And yet.
Ellie Light:He's still sure that God's telling him to do it and he's gonna do it.
Ellie Light:Yeah.
Ellie Light:What a cool guy.
Ellie Light:I love him
Matt Edmundson:There's this quote of the week, Paul, what
Matt Edmundson:a cool guy And I totally agree.
Matt Edmundson:And again Yeah, it's fascinating, isn't it?
Matt Edmundson:I guess there's two things here There's what the Holy Spirit is saying and then
Matt Edmundson:there's why he is saying it, right?
Matt Edmundson:So the church heard What the Holy Spirit was saying But they
Matt Edmundson:didn't necessarily understand why.
Matt Edmundson:And I think when Paul was talking to them, there's you're breaking
Matt Edmundson:my heart, not because what you're telling me is factually incorrect,
Matt Edmundson:but you've misunderstood the why.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Do you know what I mean?
Matt Edmundson:And I think here is the, again, the challenge for us as Christians is
Matt Edmundson:understanding what God is saying and why God is saying that particular thing, what
Matt Edmundson:and why two very important things, aren't they, and it's a really tricky thing as
Matt Edmundson:a Christian sometimes to understand that.
Matt Edmundson:Because I know sometimes once I've heard the what I just assume the way.
Ellie Light:Yeah.
Ellie Light:Do you know what I mean?
Ellie Light:This is the first time I'm thinking about it, to be honest.
Matt Edmundson:Nicholas put here, I often look, if I add that to the broadcast,
Matt Edmundson:I've just reformatted this computer.
Matt Edmundson:So I don't know if this is going to work, or if it's all set up.
Matt Edmundson:Oh, look.
Matt Edmundson:I often look back on some of the tough times I've had, and they
Matt Edmundson:have been very tough and hard.
Matt Edmundson:Would I change the choices I made?
Matt Edmundson:No, it's made me who I am.
Matt Edmundson:And also I'm able to help others going.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, actually, that's true.
Matt Edmundson:That's very true.
Matt Edmundson:But I changed some of the choices that I've made that comes into this interesting
Matt Edmundson:topic of conversation called regret.
Matt Edmundson:Yes.
Ellie Light:Oh, that's fun.
Ellie Light:That's fun isn't it?
Ellie Light:, Matt Edmundson: regret.
Ellie Light:Is regret a good thing, a bad thing?
Ellie Light:What do you regret?
Ellie Light:What would you change if you could go back in time and change it?
Ellie Light:Is thinking about what you could change and going back in time and if
Ellie Light:you could go back in time, a futile exercise 'cause you can't do it and
Ellie Light:you're just, you're living in the past.
Ellie Light:And Paul, another thing that Paul said is, I forget what's past, I
Ellie Light:just press on towards the goal.
Ellie Light:Again,
Ellie Light:so cool.
Ellie Light:I just, I think he's brilliant.
Ellie Light:I really love Paul.
Ellie Light:I know that's like the least original thing to say.
Ellie Light:Yeah, no, it's cool.
Ellie Light:Okay, interesting.
Ellie Light:Is it futile to look back and reflect and regret?
Ellie Light:I don't know if it's futile, but we do it, don't we?
Ellie Light:Yeah, sometimes
Matt Edmundson:too much.
Ellie Light:Yeah.
Ellie Light:Yeah, just part of being human, I think, really.
Ellie Light:Yeah.
Ellie Light:I think maybe Some people do it too much and sometimes it's easy to fall into it
Ellie Light:and as a bit of a pattern, but Also, don't beat yourself up for doing it because
Ellie Light:it happens because sad things happen.
Ellie Light:Yeah, like to think I wish I'd not done that
Matt Edmundson:I wish I'd bought my Christmas tree earlier.
Ellie Light:Yeah, I'm going to call my dad.
Ellie Light:Just regretting all of our Christmases actually, Dad.
Ellie Light:All of our
Matt Edmundson:best Christmases.
Matt Edmundson:Sorry if you've just joined in.
Matt Edmundson:That joke won't make any kind of sense at all.
Matt Edmundson:Little
Ellie Light:call back there.
Ellie Light:Yeah,
Matt Edmundson:you have to go back and watch from the beginning.
Matt Edmundson:That doesn't make sense.
Ellie Light:Interesting.
Matt Edmundson:Anna, Anna said at the end, she was talking about
Matt Edmundson:Paul enjoying hardship, right?
Matt Edmundson:. And how enjoying hardship is actually part and parcel of
Matt Edmundson:what it means to follow Christ.
Matt Edmundson:. And this.
Matt Edmundson:I think Anna, I can't remember the exact phrase she used, but she talked
Matt Edmundson:about how in the Western Church this has become an uncomfortable
Matt Edmundson:truth for our Christian faith.
Matt Edmundson:That's a really interesting thing, isn't it?
Matt Edmundson:What, would the Apostle Paul, with his theology on all of this, be welcoming
Matt Edmundson:most Western churches, do you think?
Matt Edmundson:Would he be welcoming them?
Matt Edmundson:No, would he be welcomed into?
Matt Edmundson:If Paul turned up to crowd or frontline or whatever.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:I wonder how we would respond to him.
Matt Edmundson:Because his call is often to, to to vacate, for want of a better
Matt Edmundson:expression, our comfort zone.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Do you know what I mean?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Which is what he's doing here.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Ellie Light:Yeah, I think we're all quite quick to be like, oh, I think,
Ellie Light:God wants me to be comfortable.
Ellie Light:God wants me to be happy.
Ellie Light:God wants me to be Okay.
Ellie Light:And yeah, I'm sure there's elements of that, it's not that he wants us to be he
Ellie Light:doesn't want us to be, destroyed or have all these things happen to us, but he
Ellie Light:also wants us to do what he asks of us.
Ellie Light:And it's the fear of those, of losing the comfort, isn't it, that stops us doing it.
Ellie Light:Yeah, I think we probably are quite, maybe too comfortable.
Ellie Light:I don't know.
Ellie Light:It's so hard, isn't it?
Ellie Light:Cause then you get into all the different I get into all the different,
Ellie Light:like little anxious thoughts about it.
Ellie Light:What's the, should I make myself uncomfortable on purpose?
Ellie Light:All those things.
Ellie Light:Yeah.
Ellie Light:Wiggly.
Matt Edmundson:You can't go around in circles.
Matt Edmundson:Sue's put here in the comments, Sue, sorry, has put in the comments, I
Matt Edmundson:regret being in a cult for 25 years and still trying to work out why.
Matt Edmundson:Left 8 years ago many regrets, talking about regrets.
Matt Edmundson:Wow, thanks for sharing that's, and it's put here, you can't change the
Matt Edmundson:past, but it's what you do in the present that can affect the future.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:It's interesting, isn't it, when you think about things like that, because
Matt Edmundson:there's a really interesting book that came out recently by Dan Pink.
Matt Edmundson:I don't know where he's, it's not a Christian book, I don't know
Matt Edmundson:where he is in terms of faith.
Matt Edmundson:whEre he talks about the power of regret.
Matt Edmundson:Okay.
Matt Edmundson:All right.
Matt Edmundson:And how you can use regret to, in a way that is powerful.
Matt Edmundson:There's been some really interesting research that has come out recently
Matt Edmundson:on on how to journal about past trauma or past stressful situations.
Matt Edmundson:So when we've been in situations, the way we, there is a protocol
Matt Edmundson:to quote Andrew Huberman about how to journal about that in a way that
Matt Edmundson:helps us deal with it in better ways.
Matt Edmundson:And one of the things that struck me about this podcast, and this is, he's
Matt Edmundson:a neuroscientist human in effect, he, what he said was, and I'm paraphrasing
Matt Edmundson:about an hour and a half's worth of information in effect, what he said
Matt Edmundson:was, um, telling the truth to yourself.
Matt Edmundson:is incredibly powerful.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Great.
Matt Edmundson:Good.
Matt Edmundson:Great.
Matt Edmundson:And as I was listening to him, he was like, the only thing that I, the thing
Matt Edmundson:that was going around in the back of my head all the time is that scripture where
Matt Edmundson:Jesus talks about how you will know the truth and the truth will make you free.
Matt Edmundson:But there's this knowledge of the truth that has to come first.
Matt Edmundson:You have to know the truth for the truth to set you free.
Matt Edmundson:And sometimes with regret, what I find is I can glamorize it or I can overplay it.
Matt Edmundson:And it's all a bit fuzzy, or I'd wish I'd not done that, whereas when we
Matt Edmundson:label it, when we put names on it, when we understand the truth of it,
Matt Edmundson:then we can be free of it, right?
Matt Edmundson:And the thing about regrets, I've It seems the power is in being totally
Matt Edmundson:upfront and honest about them, as opposed to just going, I'll regret that.
Matt Edmundson:And it's just this fuzzy thing in the back of my head that I
Matt Edmundson:don't want to think about because it makes me feel uncomfortable.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Does that make sense?
Ellie Light:Makes loads of sense.
Ellie Light:That's great.
Ellie Light:Top tip.
Ellie Light:No, I think that's really good.
Ellie Light:Yeah.
Ellie Light:Because, yeah, if you're not really looking at it, if you're not remembering
Ellie Light:it properly, if you're not thinking about it properly, so I guess that's the
Ellie Light:whole thing of dwelling on it or not.
Ellie Light:If you're dwelling on it in.
Ellie Light:With the right lens, then you can actually process and be like, Oh
Ellie Light:yeah, no, that was really hard.
Ellie Light:And that's fine that I was really hard.
Ellie Light:That's fine.
Ellie Light:I wish I hadn't made that decision, but also.
Ellie Light:Recognizing that you couldn't have made any other decision different.
Ellie Light:Yeah.
Ellie Light:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Really interesting.
Matt Edmundson:Fascinating stuff.
Matt Edmundson:So thanks for sharing.
Matt Edmundson:Actually, I should put here.
Matt Edmundson:I have no bitterness but often feel so sad about all the things
Matt Edmundson:that I've missed with my family.
Matt Edmundson:Many died in that time.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:My heart breaks for you.
Matt Edmundson:There's no easy answer to things like that other than to thank
Matt Edmundson:God that he's with us right now.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:And actually.
Matt Edmundson:I don't know, my theology on this is interesting.
Matt Edmundson:I think all things ultimately are redeemable, right?
Matt Edmundson:With God.
Matt Edmundson:Everything is redeemable.
Matt Edmundson:We can, there's nothing that is beyond his redemption.
Matt Edmundson:I'm utterly convinced of it.
Matt Edmundson:But sometimes we have to deal with and feel the consequences of decisions, right?
Matt Edmundson:So you read the book of Job.
Matt Edmundson:Interestingly spelt job.
Matt Edmundson:You read the book of Job and he goes through this horrific time talking
Matt Edmundson:about enduring hardship, right?
Matt Edmundson:He goes through this horrific time.
Matt Edmundson:And scripture says at the end that God restored him back
Matt Edmundson:twice what he'd lost, right?
Matt Edmundson:Which is really interesting thing.
Matt Edmundson:So in other words, that whole situation was redeemed, but it was redeemed in
Matt Edmundson:certain ways, as in his wealth was twice what it was beforehand, there
Matt Edmundson:were certain things which were better.
Matt Edmundson:But he still lost family members through the whole thing.
Matt Edmundson:And he still had to deal with the loss of his family.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Mad.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Mad is the right word.
Matt Edmundson:So yeah, it's it's one of those, so as I'm I, it's there I believe that
Matt Edmundson:period of your life can be redeemed.
Matt Edmundson:I don't think that always means that we can escape the consequences
Matt Edmundson:of things that have happened.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:But I think, I think it was, it is just one of those things
Matt Edmundson:where we just trust God.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, as cliche and Christian as that sounds.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah,
Ellie Light:I think that's.
Ellie Light:Tends to be what the answer always is.
Ellie Light:But it's true.
Ellie Light:Like even if you're ever in doubt, just going to him and, whether you're making
Ellie Light:like big decisions of do I do this?
Ellie Light:Or do I do this?
Ellie Light:Or, just go, the more time you spend with God, the more, his voice and
Ellie Light:the more he knows how to talk to you and you know how to hear him.
Ellie Light:And then you'll know whether he's telling you to do this or this.
Ellie Light:If you've, if you're regretting something or if something's really
Ellie Light:painful going to him, because he knows what you need more so than you do.
Ellie Light:And It's got it all.
Ellie Light:It's got it
Matt Edmundson:all.
Matt Edmundson:Got it all.
Matt Edmundson:whAt was the name of the book?
Matt Edmundson:So amazing you brought this up the subject of regret.
Matt Edmundson:God bless.
Matt Edmundson:I really wish I could remember the name of the book, but it's by Daniel Pink.
Matt Edmundson:So if you Google Daniel Pink regret I think it will come up.
Matt Edmundson:Like I say, it's not a Christian book.
Matt Edmundson:So I don't know if I'd build a theology from what he said.
Matt Edmundson:And I'm very keen that we don't Crowd and I don't think the Bible and I don't
Matt Edmundson:think Christianity is about self help in a lot of ways, I think it's easy to
Matt Edmundson:try and make it about self help, but it is still a fascinating book to read.
Matt Edmundson:And yeah, I think it's called The Power of Regret or something like that.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, enjoy that as they say.
Matt Edmundson:So count the cost of following Christ.
Matt Edmundson:It's not always straightforward.
Matt Edmundson:So I guess the question here is, if I look on my life, what are some of the
Matt Edmundson:things that God's asked me to do, which are slightly outside of my comfort zone
Matt Edmundson:that I have to be intentional in doing?
Matt Edmundson:It's a really fascinating question for me because I don't know if
Matt Edmundson:you can grow that much inside your comfort zone, if that makes sense.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:And that a lot, don't you?
Matt Edmundson:You actually see that in the physical body, muscles don't
Matt Edmundson:grow unless they're stretched.
Matt Edmundson:I wish I could just sit here and just watch my biceps grow.
Matt Edmundson:That would be amazing.
Matt Edmundson:It seems like God has ordained in such a way that actually, it's in the
Matt Edmundson:hardship, it's in the It's in the stress.
Matt Edmundson:It's when things are not going right that we actually grow the most.
Matt Edmundson:I don't know if you've found that.
Ellie Light:Yes, I would say that.
Ellie Light:Um, yes, sorry.
Ellie Light:I'm in my head.
Ellie Light:I'm distinguishing the difference between having gone through a hard thing that
Ellie Light:I've then learned from, and then like recognizing the importance then of
Ellie Light:things like, spiritual disciplines that aren't necessarily like as painful as the
Ellie Light:hardships that you end up going through.
Ellie Light:Yeah, not saying so what do you mean
Matt Edmundson:by spiritual
Ellie Light:disciplines?
Ellie Light:Just spending time with God every day, praying, fasting, all those
Ellie Light:things that, can sometimes feel like a bit of inconvenience if you're
Ellie Light:not in the right headspace for it.
Ellie Light:Yeah.
Ellie Light:But actually just like.
Ellie Light:You can't, you need to exercise, as you're saying to look after your body.
Ellie Light:Sometimes you just really can't be bothered.
Ellie Light:And some days you're really like, yeah, I'm going to go for a run or
Ellie Light:yeah, I'm going to praise the Lord.
Ellie Light:But I'm never,
Matt Edmundson:I'm going to go for a
Ellie Light:run.
Ellie Light:It's the discipline of actually, I know that this is a good thing for
Ellie Light:me to do, so I'm going to do it.
Ellie Light:And that's the discipline, is it?
Ellie Light:And sometimes that feels really uncomfortable.
Ellie Light:And sometimes it doesn't.
Ellie Light:And that's the same a similar thing of.
Ellie Light:I was just going to try and distinguish that I think there's a line between
Ellie Light:oh, you have to go, you have to put yourself through difficult things
Ellie Light:to be able to grow because I don't think that's quite the same thing.
Ellie Light:But I think that's an unnecessary distinction, because that's
Ellie Light:obviously not what you're saying.
Ellie Light:Fair play.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Yep.
Matt Edmundson:Fair play.
Matt Edmundson:It's true.
Matt Edmundson:Oh, here we go.
Matt Edmundson:I have healthy kids.
Matt Edmundson:Food, a house and a job.
Matt Edmundson:Very blessed, but my heart gets heavy at times.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, no, I bet it does, mate.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, I bet it does.
Matt Edmundson:Bless you and all of that.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah I've had a horrendous year this year in some way, says Matt Crew, but
Matt Edmundson:having more time to pray and recover this year has been a highlight in
Matt Edmundson:order to recover my mental health.
Matt Edmundson:Yes.
Matt Edmundson:That's the other thing, isn't it?
Matt Edmundson:It's never waste a good trial.
Matt Edmundson:When you find yourself in difficult times or hard times.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, it's yeah.
Matt Edmundson:God, what are you saying in this, right?
Matt Edmundson:And actually, never waste a good trial because there's a lot of
Matt Edmundson:learning that can happen in them.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:There's no doubt about it.
Matt Edmundson:Anything else?
Matt Edmundson:You took lots of notes, anything else in your notes in the
Ellie Light:last few minutes?
Ellie Light:I think we've really covered it, Yeah, oh, I've just hit the mic, sorry.
Ellie Light:Full circle, eh?
Matt Edmundson:Smacked the mic with my book.
Matt Edmundson:How very good, well done.
Matt Edmundson:How did you find it, your first hosting?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, it
Ellie Light:was fun.
Ellie Light:I enjoyed it.
Ellie Light:You're just so
Matt Edmundson:cool, Ellie.
Matt Edmundson:So chilled out and laid back.
Matt Edmundson:Me, I'd be like
Ellie Light:She's nice talking about things, isn't
Matt Edmundson:it?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, it's nice having a chat.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, it's always good fun.
Matt Edmundson:Always good fun.
Matt Edmundson:That's that's the end of Conversation Street.
Matt Edmundson:We'll draw that to an end there.
Matt Edmundson:Thank you so much.
Matt Edmundson:Don't break the mic.
Matt Edmundson:It's very good at telling you what to do after you've done it, Matt.
Matt Edmundson:I've noticed this.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah,
Ellie Light:good.
Ellie Light:I suppose that's the nature of the whole live stream, isn't it?
Ellie Light:It's a little out of sync, isn't it?
Ellie Light:Yeah.
Ellie Light:Oh, Bukele again.
Ellie Light:There we go.
Ellie Light:Oh, I know.
Matt Edmundson:Let's get the dates in.
Matt Edmundson:This is what Matt wrote in the comments, if you can't see.
Matt Edmundson:I can add it to broadcast.
Matt Edmundson:There we go, Bukele again.
Matt Edmundson:Promote the Zoom.
Matt Edmundson:Yes, I will.
Matt Edmundson:Alright, Matt, calm down.
Matt Edmundson:Yes, thank you for joining us.
Matt Edmundson:So just to let you know a few things every Wednesday we have a Zoom online group.
Matt Edmundson:Come join us on the Zoom if you'd like to join an online community
Matt Edmundson:that Matt's talking about here where he says promote the Zoom.
Matt Edmundson:That's basically what we do.
Matt Edmundson:We just get together, a few of us on Zoom, we'll chat, we'll catch up, we'll pray,
Matt Edmundson:we'll do all those kind of good things.
Matt Edmundson:If you'd like to join us, we'd love to see you in there.
Matt Edmundson:If you go to the website www.
Matt Edmundson:crowd.
Matt Edmundson:church or find us on social media at crowdchurch and just reach out
Matt Edmundson:to us, we will let you know those.
Matt Edmundson:Details.
Matt Edmundson:Susan, by the way.
Matt Edmundson:Oh, Susan stands for Susan.
Matt Edmundson:Susan, brilliant.
Matt Edmundson:Thanks for the laughter.
Matt Edmundson:Laughter helps.
Matt Edmundson:It does.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, it
Ellie Light:does.
Ellie Light:You could do a whole other episode on that, couldn't you?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, it says it in the Bible.
Matt Edmundson:Mary Hart does good like a medicine.
Ellie Light:It's so good.
Ellie Light:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:And if you need to laugh, my advice, go watch anything by Tim Hawkins.
Matt Edmundson:Oh, all right.
Matt Edmundson:Have you come across Tim Morgans?
Matt Edmundson:No.
Matt Edmundson:Christian stand up comedian, which I appreciate sounds like an oxymoron.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, it sure does.
Matt Edmundson:Hang on, Christian stand up comedian, what are you talking about?
Matt Edmundson:But I can tell you the chap is exceptionally funny.
Matt Edmundson:He's got a lot of videos on YouTube.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:And In 2018, I went over to the States with Josh and Zach, just dads and
Matt Edmundson:lads trip, just brilliant, loved it.
Matt Edmundson:And we managed to go see him live in Connecticut.
Matt Edmundson:We went and stayed with some folks and we went over to
Matt Edmundson:Connecticut and watched him live.
Matt Edmundson:At the end of that set, I was like, I'm like, please, can you
Matt Edmundson:just stop telling jokes because my sides were hurting so much.
Matt Edmundson:So good.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, he's really good.
Matt Edmundson:Really good.
Matt Edmundson:So just go, ever need to laugh, go watch Tim
Ellie Light:Hawkins.
Ellie Light:So good to have a giggle.
Matt Edmundson:Ellie, give Matt his Ancient One pills.
Matt Edmundson:I don't
Ellie Light:get that reference.
Matt Edmundson:Oh, it's just he likes to call me Ancient One.
Ellie Light:Oh, okay.
Ellie Light:And then you have a pill to make you not ancient.
Matt Edmundson:If I did have such a pill, I would be selling them.
Matt Edmundson:I'd make an absolute fortune.
Matt Edmundson:The ultimate youth pill.
Matt Edmundson:So yes, it's great to connect with you Susan.
Matt Edmundson:Thanks for joining us.
Matt Edmundson:Like I say, if you'd like to know more about Crowd Head over to the website, www.
Matt Edmundson:crowd.
Matt Edmundson:church, if you want to know more about the Zoom, everything's on there, www.
Matt Edmundson:crowd.
Matt Edmundson:zoom.
Matt Edmundson:You can reach out to us on social media, we'd love to connect with you.
Matt Edmundson:Coming up in next week, what we've got next week.
Matt Edmundson:Do you remember?
Matt Edmundson:No!
Matt Edmundson:Obviously not!
Matt Edmundson:We talked about it an hour ago, Matt, we talked about it, and I did write
Matt Edmundson:stuff down and Ali just looked at it and went, there's no way I can read that.
Matt Edmundson:I can't
Ellie Light:read it at all, absolutely not.
Ellie Light:I can see there's things circled, but I don't know what the circles mean.
Matt Edmundson:It's just highlighting stuff for me to do.
Matt Edmundson:So next week, yes, we are talking about Biblical worldview.
Matt Edmundson:I say we, it's me.
Matt Edmundson:I'm doing the talk next week.
Matt Edmundson:We have Dan and Will hosting.
Matt Edmundson:So Will Sobworth, he's another first timer.
Matt Edmundson:Oh, that's fun, isn't it?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, he was in the comments earlier.
Matt Edmundson:I don't know if he's, if Will's still around, but he.
Matt Edmundson:His first time hosting next week, like you, he's done talks at Crowd,
Matt Edmundson:but next week's going to be hosting.
Matt Edmundson:So he's such a legend, Will.
Matt Edmundson:He's such an, he's an absolute legend, love the bones of the
Matt Edmundson:man, he's such a great guy.
Matt Edmundson:And so I'm excited for next week.
Matt Edmundson:Yes, you've got Will and Dan hosting, you've got me doing the
Matt Edmundson:talk all about biblical worldviews.
Matt Edmundson:Glorious.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, let's go with yes.
Matt Edmundson:I'm just racking my brain.
Matt Edmundson:Was he glad?
Matt Edmundson:I don't know.
Matt Edmundson:I hope you enjoy the talk.
Matt Edmundson:I hope you find it challenging and informative all at the same time.
Matt Edmundson:His hand sketch is the best.
Matt Edmundson:Are you talking about me, Nicola?
Matt Edmundson:My hand sketch?
Matt Edmundson:I'm not quite sure.
Matt Edmundson:Isn't that the
Ellie Light:comedy?
Ellie Light:Comedy man.
Ellie Light:Oh,
Matt Edmundson:yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Comedian.
Matt Edmundson:Sorry.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, Tim Hawkins, his hand sketch is the best.
Matt Edmundson:Yes, he's talking about, I should play that on Crowd Church.
Matt Edmundson:He talks about what happens when I get it now, Nicholas, sorry, I, he's got
Matt Edmundson:this routine, where I think if you just Google or go to YouTube and put in Tim
Matt Edmundson:Hawkins worship hands and what Christians do with their hands during worship.
Ellie Light:Yeah.
Ellie Light:Very good.
Ellie Light:I can imagine it.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Just after this live stream.
Matt Edmundson:Don't do it now.
Matt Edmundson:When the live stream's ended, just go Google on YouTube, Tim Hawkins
Matt Edmundson:worship hands and it will come up.
Matt Edmundson:I'm fairly sure it will come up.
Matt Edmundson:And it's, if you've been around church any length of time,
Matt Edmundson:you will find that hysterical.
Matt Edmundson:I think that's good.
Matt Edmundson:I think we'll end the live stream there.
Matt Edmundson:Ellie, thank you for joining me.
Matt Edmundson:Been a
Ellie Light:pleasure.
Ellie Light:Thanks for having me.
Ellie Light:You coming back?
Ellie Light:Sure, why not?
Ellie Light:This is so cool.
Ellie Light:Got nothing better to do.
Matt Edmundson:Dunno, if I get the curtains up next time.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Brilliant.
Matt Edmundson:We need to go get you a Christmas tree, that's what we need to do.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:So Merry Christmas, everyone.
Matt Edmundson:I hope you find Advent interesting.
Matt Edmundson:Advent's a fascinating time just to reflect on the story of Jesus, the
Matt Edmundson:birth of Christ coming up December 25th.
Matt Edmundson:In case you didn't know, happy birthday, Jesus.
Matt Edmundson:We've got a Christmas service this year.
Matt Edmundson:whEn is it?
Matt Edmundson:Matt will know.
Matt Edmundson:I will tell you now when it is cause I've got the information here.
Matt Edmundson:So next week we are talking about worldview.
Matt Edmundson:And then we have our non live stream.
Matt Edmundson:Where is it?
Matt Edmundson:Here it is.
Matt Edmundson:24th, Christmas Eve.
Matt Edmundson:Crikey.
Matt Edmundson:Christmas Eve.
Matt Edmundson:It's a Christmas on a Monday.
Matt Edmundson:I'll be
Ellie Light:by my Christmas tree.
Matt Edmundson:Listening to Crowd Church while you're in your
Matt Edmundson:headphones while she's by the church, oh I don't want that one.
Matt Edmundson:Out of the two that are left for 3.
Matt Edmundson:There's
Ellie Light:always loads left and they're always really good quality.
Matt Edmundson:Yesterday when we went with Jenny and Rob.
Matt Edmundson:Jenny used to live with us.
Matt Edmundson:She's a paramedic.
Matt Edmundson:She got married last year.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:to A guy called Rob who's also a paramedic, two of the
Matt Edmundson:funniest people on the planet.
Matt Edmundson:That's nice.
Matt Edmundson:And so we go and choose a tree.
Matt Edmundson:I'm like, I want one that's really wide and bushy.
Matt Edmundson:'cause it's now bay window.
Matt Edmundson:Lovely.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Sadaf was like, I want one that's a bit narrower 'cause we don't
Matt Edmundson:have a big bay window and I still wanna be able to access my room.
Matt Edmundson:Sensible.
Matt Edmundson:Which was sensible.
Matt Edmundson:And then Jenny walked over to the guy and said, I just want
Matt Edmundson:one that smells really nice,
Matt Edmundson:. Ellie Light: It is the smell.
Matt Edmundson:That's the best bit
Matt Edmundson:about it, isn't it?
Matt Edmundson:The best Christmas.
Matt Edmundson:So we were all walking around smelling the trees.
Matt Edmundson:He must have thought, what's wrong with you?
Matt Edmundson:I think this one smells better, Jen.
Matt Edmundson:Oh, that's
Anna Kettle:so nice.
Anna Kettle:Oh, now
Ellie Light:I want a Christmas
Matt Edmundson:tree.
Matt Edmundson:You should totally go get one.
Matt Edmundson:I can recommend the guy, go buy a Christmas tree and
Matt Edmundson:get the decorations on it.
Matt Edmundson:So yeah, get your Christmas tree up if you haven't done so already.
Matt Edmundson:But yes, that's it from us.
Matt Edmundson:Thank you so much for joining us.
Matt Edmundson:Have a fantastic week.
Matt Edmundson:I think that's it for me.
Matt Edmundson:Is that it from you?
Matt Edmundson:That's it.
Matt Edmundson:That's it.
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