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Welcome to Animal Posse, the podcast dedicated to the
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:people and rescues making a
difference in the lives of animals.
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:Welcome back everybody.
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:I'm Dixie, your host of Animal
Posse, and today we're gonna be
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:discussing something different.
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:On this show we've talked about cats,
dogs, rats, rabbits, horses, squirrels,
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:possums, raccoons, and you name it.
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:But we're gonna be buzzing into
a different world entirely.
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:Our guest today doesn't just keep animals.
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:He manages a community of thousands
that work in perfect miraculous harmony.
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:We are talking about the
art of Bee Rescue with Mr.
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:Ed.
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:Mr.
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:Ed is also a YouTube educator.
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:He has a huge channel and he discusses
all the bee rescues that he does,
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:and he is also the beekeeper at St.
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:Joseph Abbey in Louisiana.
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:Welcome to the show, Mr.
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:Ed.
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:Mr Ed: Thank you for inviting me.
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:Dixie: We have not spoken to a
beekeeper, so I thought it would be
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:interesting to talk to you to just see
what's all involved with beekeeping,
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:because you're saving thousands of
lives with every hive that you have,
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:Mr Ed: That's true.
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:That is true.
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:Dixie: Tell us a little
bit about yourself.
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:How did you get started in
beekeeping and how did you
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:become to be the beekeeper of St.
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:Joseph Abbey?
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:Mr Ed: You know that's a very long story.
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:'cause it all starts back in 1978
when I moved from new Orleans to
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:the North Shore in Mandeville.
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:Prior to my moving over here, I
had a friend who kept bees and
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:I never even knew anything about
that, about you could have bees.
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:And I went over to his
house and I saw him.
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:I said, man, when I moved to the
country, I'm gonna get me some bees.
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:So that's what I did when I moved.
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:My dad actually he was a woodworker.
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:He built all the equipment that I
needed, and when I moved I bought bees.
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:And so I've been a beekeeper since 1978.
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:It's just life is always . Different
in that, you may have plans or
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:things just turn out and work
out the way they work out.
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:And I think that's just what it was
for me because there was no plans
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:that I was gonna be at the Abbey.
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:It had just worked out and when I
went there, it wasn't to do these,
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:it was to help build caskets and
then one of the monks up there wanted
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:to start beekeeping back in 2011.
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:And so since I was a beekeeper, they asked
me to help him and I started helping him.
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:We started a few colonies up there, and he
then decided he didn't want to be a monk.
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:So then I just took over what we had
done, and we just grew the business.
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:That's basically the condensed
version of the story.
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:Dixie: How many hives do you have?
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:Mr Ed: Right now we have about
200, something like that.
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:I'm selling off a bunch of bees
right now because I need 150 to
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:meet my goal of keeping honey
in the gift shop all year round.
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:So anything over 150 I don't want,.
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:So I sell, I'll sell, get the
number back down to about 150.
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:And then in just a matter
of, four or five weeks.
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:We'll, by splitting our hives, we are
gonna be back up to about two and a
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:quarter something somewhere around there.
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:So that's where we'll be in
a, by the middle of March, we
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:should be about 225 once again.
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:Dixie: How much honey does that equate to?
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:Mr Ed: It generally you can figure
about four gallons of honey per hive.
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:That's an average, but not all
your hives are going to produce.
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:A surplus of honey, which is,
that's all I'm talking about.
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:That they may be able to produce
enough honey , to make them through
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:the year, through the winter.
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:But as far as any honey that I
harvest, it's always a surplus.
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:I run what they call two deep
brood boxes and then , anything
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:over the two deep brood boxes.
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:Will be the surplus honey.
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:And that's the honey that I take.
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:So it's generally, it's the third
box of honey, but sometimes you can
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:put four or five boxes on there.
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:So generally it's four gallons per
average, per hive is what you get.
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:Dixie: There are certain people that think
it's cruel to take honey from the bees.
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:Mr Ed: You see there again it's,.
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:You're not taking honey from
the bees, you're taking the
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:surplus of honey from the bees.
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:So that's why I said that the fact
that I run a double deep brood boxes,
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:that is enough storage space for the
bees to store the honey that they
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:need to make it through the surplus.
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:Honey is only gonna sit in there.
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:. It's not gonna do anything.
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:So you take it off of them
and it's still not gonna harm
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:the bees in any kind of way.
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:So you have to work the balance
and work within the parameters
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:that the bees for their survival.
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:And then at the same time with the
beekeeper for their to collect their rent.
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:Dixie: We have a hive, and so
from us having the hive, the
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:bees are taken care of very well.
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:Our hive is up in the country,
in Washington parish and Uhhuh.
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:It is where we actually are building
our cat sanctuary and uhhuh.
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:The bees are very well taken care of.
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:, The bees get checked on all the time to
make sure that everybody is doing good.
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:We make sure we have water out for
the bees, especially when we had a
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:drought up there, I think it was like
last year or this past summer, we
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:had a really bad drought up there.
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:Oh yeah, we did.
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:So we made sure that we had pools of
water filled for the bees so the bees
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:always had access to their water even
though they could go fly, probably a
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:couple miles away and go find water.
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:We just wanted to make
sure it was there for them.
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:And we have an interesting story with
the bees too, because you actually
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:helped us with our bees because our
bees swarmed and went into our old
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:farmhouse that's on the property.
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:Mr Ed: It was a great removal.
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:And your husband Philip?
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:, He and I opened up the interior space
of the house and he had built some
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:scaffolding so that we could get up there.
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:'cause it was up high.
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:And we removed the wooden siding on the
interior and we removed a beautiful hive.
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:It we took out a lot of honey.
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:Those bees had been in there.
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:Relatively short period of time,
probably four or five months.
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:But they had built a really beautiful
hive with white comb full of honey.
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:And the bees really did
well for themselves.
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:Dixie: Yeah, it was delicious honey, too.
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:Mr Ed: That is really what I do is I do
be rescue for people just like yourself
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:where they have structures or, it really
doesn't matter wherever the bees decide to
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:build their nest, whether it's somebody's
house, their trailer, their mobile home,
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:their camper they contact me and I will
then go remove the bees and the hive
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:and then relocate them to the abbey.
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:And that's how we actually grew.
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:The apiary is through.
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:The removal service , that I do.
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:And that's how we grew the whole
apiary from the very beginning.
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:Dixie: And you have a very successful
YouTube channel and you always record
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:the videos of you doing these removals.
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:And it's very interesting to
watch, even if you're not into
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:bees, it's still interesting
to see how you remove the bees.
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:Mr Ed: Think it's interesting.
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:Dixie: When you when you
actually came to our house.
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:You did a video on that.
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:So what I'll do is I'm gonna
include the link to that video.
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:Oh
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:Mr Ed: yeah.
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:That was a great video.
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:I'm telling you, you should definitely
include that link because , it
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:is just the natural beauty of a
beehive, particularly a wild hive.
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:The natural beauty of it is.
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:It almost goes beyond words
to be able to describe it.
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:So for me personally, it's always when
I open up a wall and see the hive, the
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:first thing I ever do is just sit back
and just look at the beauty of it.
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:And 'cause for me, I see the hand of
God in God's creation in the bee, and
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:it's just, that's the first thing I see.
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:And it is just great to take that
in and then to be able to rescue
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:it, move it and then set it up in a
new location, have the bees thrive
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:once again in a different location.
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:Dixie: So when you say you look at the
beauty of it, and I understand that
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:'cause I saw the hive that was in our
house and it was it was breathtaking.
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:It really was.
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:Just to see that it was, can
build something like that.
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:So describe , similarities and
differences that you see in different
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:hives that you've encountered.
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:Mr Ed: It always.
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:Depends the structure of the comb, how
the comb is built, will depend on the
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:space that they have to build it in.
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:And for your house, the wall space,
because where they were, and the house
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:is so old the wall space was completely
open, which enabled the bees to build.
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:Big slabs, what I call slabs of comb.
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:They were, I think probably three,
three and a half feet wide and
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:three, three and a half feet long.
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:And I think, if I can remember
right, there was either two
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:or three layers of that.
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:And because the walls were so
thick, you had the true two by
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:four or two by six wall space.
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:So the bees will fill that space and so
they, they can either build the comb,
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:like I said, in slabs like it was in,
in your location or in narrower spaces.
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:They build them in little layers
or sections, narrow pieces , really
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:how the comb is built is
determined by the available space
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:that the bees have to work in.
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:Each one can be different.
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:But it's either the slabs or
the sheets is how I say it.
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:And then there they, sometimes
they can be wide, the sheets can be
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:wide, sometimes they can be narrow.
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:, That depends on if they're in
the floor space or a wall space.
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:That's the shape of the comb
is gonna determine that.
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:But for yours, because it was all open.
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:I think these prefer that particular
space because it gives them.
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:Complete free reign to
do whatever they want.
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:And they choose to do that slab comb
because I think it just gives them
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:more space to expand and grow is,
they're not constricted by anything.
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:They could just keep on doing it and
attaching it and building it out.
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:, It's absolutely stunning.
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:It really is.
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:Dixie: Can you walk us through a rescue.
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:Mr Ed: Sure.
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:So generally I get a call and.
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:I like to go out there and just to oddball
the, what I've got to look at first.
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:And when I say oddball, I like to go
there and locate where the hive is.
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:Whether it's gonna be in the ceiling,
a floor, a wall a tree, or wherever.
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:I wanna see it first.
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:Generally if it's in a house
I use a thermal camera to.
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:Locate the main colony itself because
these will give off a heat signature.
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:And so I locate the colony and once I
locate the colony then I can determine
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:whether, how I'm going to remove the
colony, whether it's gonna be from the
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:inside, the outside, underneath on top.
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:It just all depends.
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:It's always different, but.
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:Generally it follows, the same routine.
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:And then , once I get out there I start
dismantling, opening up the space and
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:I'm very minimal in opening up the space.
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:I only want to open up the space that
I need because I don't want to destroy.
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:Too much of the area because
I don't repair what I do.
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:That's up to the homeowners as
you and Phil knew that it's very
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:minimal intrusiveness so that the
repair can be minimal , as well.
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:And.
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:I take away what I need to
access the comb, and once I can
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:get the space completely open,
then I use a vacuum cleaner.
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:It's a specially designed vacuum
cleaner that I that won't harm bees.
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:I vacuum the bees off of the
comb and I start removing comb.
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:I put it in.
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:Ice chest because I find ice chest
will maintain the temperature of the
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:hive where the brood will remain alive.
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:And I remove the comb separating
the comb that has larva on it
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:from comb that has honey on it.
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:And I separate those in
different ice chests.
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:And then once I remove the entire hive,
vacuum all the bees off, then I go back
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:and then I frame up in, in the wooden
frames the comb that I've cut out.
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:I attach it to the frames
using rubber bands.
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:And then once I.
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:Attach the comb to the frames, I put 'em
in bee boxes, and then I release the bees
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:onto the comb, generally with their queen.
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:That I've captured as well.
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:And that's the whole process.
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:Dixie: For anybody who has never seen a
bee vacuum, you need to go watch some of
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:his videos so you can see the bee vacuum.
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:That is like one of the most
fascinating things to me.
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:Mr Ed: I had the yellow one that,
that it's a battery powered one,
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:which is just a fantastic machine.
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:It can hold 20,000 BS without any problem.
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:You would think that you're vacuuming
bees and that you're gonna be
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:killing bees as you're doing this.
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:But that's not the case at all.
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:And there's very low mortality like 0.0%
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:loss of bee life due to the vacuuming.
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:Dixie: Yeah it's really
fascinating 'cause I know like
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:the first time that I watched it.
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:I thought that you would be losing,
quite a few bees, but it's like such
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:a gentle procedure for them now.
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:Mr Ed: Yeah.
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:Dixie: Once you do get 'em all and
you put 'em in these boxes how do
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:you, acclimate 'em to their new homes?
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:Mr Ed: The bees take care of
that themselves because , that's
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:the beauty of a bee a, a bee.
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:Is designed to work and though it
does create a great deal of stress to
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:have the bees yanked out of one spot
put into another spot that is stress.
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:So to.
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:Make that stress level less.
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:I try to do removals when there's
nectar flows where a nectar flow
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:is when there's plants blooming
at a certain time of the year.
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:Because this.
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:The fact that there's a flow going on
when you do a removal will give the bees
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:work to do that they don't dwell on the
fact that they just went through a very
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:traumatic experience that they get back
into what they were designed to do.
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:So just like a work dog, it just.
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:Designed to work.
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:That's how it's satisfied.
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:bees are the same way.
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:They need to work so.
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:You remove them during the times of year.
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:So generally it's I like doing removals
in February, March, April, may, June,
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:and that's once June gets there.
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:I stopped, I really
stopped doing them because.
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:It's too hot.
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:There isn't any nectar flow
going on until, again, in, in
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:the fall, in September, October.
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:So in, in July, August, September,
I don't do removals because they're,
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:the bees aren't gonna survive it.
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:They won't make it.
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:I do it in relation to what's going
on in nature so that the bees can
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:get back to work to doing what they
do to lower their stress level to.
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:Get the bees to get back
into their normal cycle.
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:Dixie: When you're doing the removals
I know we're out in the country, so
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:we're like in the middle of nowhere.
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:I know a lot of the times by us when
people have problems with their bees,
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:it's the bees will go swarm in the trees.
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:In our case it ended up being our house.
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:'cause our house was built in 1888.
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:And so it's a little bit different
structure from houses that
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:would be say in the city of New
Orleans or in the metro area.
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:'cause you're up in Covington.
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:So when you're doing the removals,
are you doing more removals
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:that are in the actual city?
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:Mr Ed: Oh, I do removals in the
country, in the city everywhere.
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:'cause bees are everywhere.
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:Here in southeast Louisiana.
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:Bees are everywhere.
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:We have a very conducive
environment for bees.
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:Our temperature as well as
the resources of food or.
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:Readily available for
bees as well as habitat.
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:Bees will make due of anything any kind
of structure to to build a hive in.
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:All they need is the right space.
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:And they'll do it.
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:So Louisiana, because of our.
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:Subtropical or mild tropical weather that
we get, bees fly almost all year round.
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:Unlike up in north United States bees
fly all the time and consequently
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:they're generally always on the move.
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:Always on the move.
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:Now they will only swarm at
certain times of the year.
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:Generally, that's a general statement.
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:But in springtime as bees are coming
out of the winter the cycle of bees, the
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:normal cycle of bees is in the wintertime.
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:The number of bees in Hive
diminish, and they, the reason
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:they diminish is because the source
of food resources are dwindling.
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:The natural ones where they go
and get 'em the bees store them.
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:So they have, that's what they survive
off when the resources are dwindling.
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:And so as the resources dwindle in nature.
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:So to the hive mimics that slowing
down and they reduce in numbers.
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:So that's how they're able to survive
because the, there's fewer bees in the
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:hive when there's no resources coming in.
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:Then as we come into spring.
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:More plants and trees are
blooming well, then the bees are
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:then working, bringing in food.
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:And so once that starts happening the
queen will start laying again in these
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:colonies that were maybe 5,000 bees.
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:In a matter of five to six weeks, turn
into colonies with 20 or 30,000 bees.
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:So they grow very quickly.
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:But they grow quickly in relation
to what is going on, in nature,
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:what's blooming at the time.
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:So good flows.
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:The bees build up, they store their
resources they store their surpluses
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:and then the sources dry up.
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:The food sources dry up.
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:The bees start to dwindle in
size, and the cycle then will
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:begin again in, in the spring.
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:That's generally how it works.
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:Dixie: And when you talk about honey too,
is the honey gonna be flavored differently
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:depending upon what they're pollinating
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:Mr Ed: it?
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:The taste of honey as well as
the color of it all, or dependent
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:on the source of nectar that the
bees were getting the nectar from.
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:Whether it's clover, whether it's
from privet, blackberry, blueberry
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:maple tallow, every, everything
that is a source of nectar, has a
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:different taste associated with it.
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:And so as a guy that.
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:Travels a lot of areas.
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:I get to taste a lot of different
types of honey and it's because
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:it's different nectar sources.
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:That's one of the great things about what
I do is the amount of variation in tastes
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:of the honey that, that I encounter.
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:Dixie: Which one has been the best?
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:, Mr Ed: I did a removal last year.
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:That had the best taste in
honey I have ever come across.
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:And I couldn't even tell you
what the source of that was.
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:I don't know.
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:I had no idea.
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:I couldn't even guess at it because,
one, I don't remember where I got
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:the, where I had done the removal.
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:'cause I do probably about.
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:In the course from say, January
to, to July, I probably do
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:about 80 or so removals.
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:So, I can't remember the location of
everything when I'm tasting the honey.
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:I can remember the removals, but
I can't remember what the honey
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:tasted like in, in the removal.
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:Dixie: I know we have a friend and
he's got bees near us and we have the
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:Japanese plum trees or the loquats
uhhuh, and it gives the honey Oh.
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:Such a good taste.
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:Mr Ed: I agree.
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:I agree.
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:It's, there's some wonderful
taste in nectar out there.
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:I remember one of 'em that I did.
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:It was a removal and it was in the
early spring when the honeysuckle was
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:blooming and there was literally this
man's backyard was full of honeysuckle.
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:You smell it down the street
and the honey just had this
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:magnificent honeysuckle taste.
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:It was absolutely great taste in honey.
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:Dixie: See in the country we have a
lot of the wild blackberry bushes.
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:Mr Ed: Yeah.
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:I get a lot of that.
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:Yeah.
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:That's a great taste in honey, that
the blackberry, and that's the early
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:spring tasting, because that's when
the blackberries and blueberries bloom
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:early in the spring, generally around,
. March and April is when that blooms.
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:Dixie: When you're talking about
a swarm, you're talking about the
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:bees actually looking for a new
location and not like swarming people.
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:'cause I know that there's like some
kind of misconception that when you say
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:swarm, people are freaked out that the
bees are gonna be swarming around them.
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:Is that what the actual term is for
swarm is when they're actually going out
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:and they're looking for a new location?
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:Mr Ed: That is what a swarm is.
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:A swarm is when a colony of bees
splits basically in half . Prior to
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:the swarm, the colony is building up.
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:So there's a lot of bees in the hive.
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:Sometimes, 40,000 bees in the
hive and it's just natural
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:procreation for bees to swarm.
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:They build up and then
they, half of 'em leave.
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:So that's how they spread
out by that method and.,
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:What happens is in the hive in
preparation for a swarm, the queen will
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:lay, cells that will become new queens.
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:And these are swarm queens.
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:And what happens is prior
to the new queens emerging.
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:The old queen and generally about half
the hive or a little bit more will then
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:leave the hive and that is a swarm.
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:And when the old queen in the hive leaves
with a bunch of bees and they go off to
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:make a new hive, and they leave the new
queen with the new bees in that hive
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:to start again in that same location.
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:Dixie: And another thing, I
think there's a misconception
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:around bees stinging people.
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:'cause I know when I was a
child, I was terrified of bees.
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:I thought the bees were just
gonna come up to me and sting me.
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:If I was in the swimming
pool or something, they would
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:always come get some water.
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:And I was absolutely terrified that
I was gonna get stung by a bee.
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:In fact, I don't know if I've
ever been stunned by a bee,
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:but it was just something that.
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:When you're a kid it's
terrifying to think about it.
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:And as I got older I realized that,
and especially now since we have some
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:bees, unless you're disturbing the
hive, they really don't go after you.
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:How do you address these misconceptions
around the bees stinging?
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:Mr Ed: It generally speaking.
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:If you are not disturbing the
hive will not disturb you.
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:Now that doesn't hold true for
the Africanized type of bee.
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:Those, those are just a nasty disposition.
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:bee, and you can just be minding
your own business and they will
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:attack if you're around their hive.
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:And you could be a quarter of a mile away.
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:They can attack.
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:So not including the Africanized type
bees, which is we have those in here, in
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:the United States throughout the the west.
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:And it, they're from Texas all the
way to California, all the way up to
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:Colorado, or there's Africanized bees
and some, to some degree in Florida.
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:And , as far to my knowledge here in
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the bees aren't gonna mess with
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:Dixie: I imagine that you've
been stunned quite a few times.
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:Dixie: I have heard that beekeepers
actually live longer, have you heard that?
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:Mr Ed: No, I haven't heard that.
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benefits of bee stings, there's
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some validity to venom with.
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bursitis, with a lot of varied things.
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of credence in all that stuff.
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bees and if that's a benefit of
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:Dixie: Why is it that you like the bees?
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:Mr Ed: It's, like I said
before, it's a spiritual thing.
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what that's the reason I continue
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years of doing it, that it's always.
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things that I've learned as being
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following their spirituality the
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I've grown to appreciate more and more.
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provide for us, but what the bees can
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unlike humans where we live
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the survivability of that colony.
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mindset of surviving that.
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like humans do, but rather
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life lived is a beautiful way
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:Like perfectly mimics what Christ
did when he came into the world.
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:He gave his life for us and so
it's mimics that beautifully and.
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:We can grow in appreciation
for bees, what they do for us.
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the aspect of our relation, personal
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world in regard to how bees live their
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for us, a much, much better place.
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personal religious experience.
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:Dixie: It definitely could teach
humanity a lot too, just about community.
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:Mr Ed: Yes.
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:Dixie: Before we end the call, what
would you say to people who dislike bees
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as opposed to rescued like you do?
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:Mr Ed: The only reason.
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is because it's an unknown.
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to equality to 'em.
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that watch my channel that are not
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bees until they started watching.
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fear and they're not wrong to be
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only purpose is to make honey
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attitude toward them can change.
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like you were saying, when you look at 'em
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for us, but then we also get honey
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:Mr Ed: So actually, honey is the
only naturally created product
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dressing wounds because it prevents
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discourage the formation of bacteria.
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:Dixie: They definitely are.
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:Thank you so much for taking
the time to speak with me today.
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:Oh, it is my pleasure, Dixie.
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:Thank you very much for inviting me.
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:Dixie: You're welcome.
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too, the reason that we have
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:Mr Ed: That's a good thing.
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:Dixie: Yeah, it is.
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to your YouTube channel.
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actually the link to the removal
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:Mr Ed: Oh yeah.
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:Dixie: That's it for today's episode.
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