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“Spirit’s always in charge… Life is just the lily pads to getting to where we’re going to go anyway,” says Dawn Paula, evidential medium and energy healer who joins Mental Health in a Modern World to unravel the mysteries of intuition, near-death experiences, and the deep connection between the physical and spiritual realms. Having encountered profound paranormal experiences since childhood and survived a life-changing near-death event in high school, Dawn Paula has spent her life seeking out others who share these boundary-expanding encounters—and now helps clients explore their own intuitive and psychic abilities.

In this immersive, hope-filled episode, Dawn Paula reveals how “the spirit world isn’t out there—it’s right here,” sharing her journey from sports medicine into massage therapy, Reiki, and ultimately, mediumship. She explains why modern society dampens our innate sensitivity, how children’s energetic gifts are shaped (and often shut down) by trauma and cultural programming, and how the rise of technology is altering our consciousness and frequency. She and Greg also dive into the purpose of soul contracts, the nuances of free will, and why embracing both the dark and the light is essential to the human experience.

Tune into Mental Health in a Modern World for an unforgettable conversation on spiritual awakening, evidential mediumship, and how to reclaim your sovereignty—and your joy—on this wild, multidimensional path.

5 Key Takeaways

Unlock your intuitive potential and embrace your spiritual path with these actionable steps:

1. Trust your intuition—reconnect with the innate sensitivity and knowingness you had as a child.
2. Nurture your physical body—maintain your health to raise your vibration and deepen spiritual connection.
3. Approach technology mindfully—limit overwhelming input to create space for subtle awareness and intuitive growth.
4. Embrace free will—recognize your power to shape your journey through conscious choice and self-empowerment.
5. Allow yourself to play—infuse your life with joy, curiosity, and lightness on your spiritual path.

Take one step today to trust yourself more and live with greater presence!

Memorable Quotes

"I believe that we are really spiritual beings having this earthly human experience. As children, we're open, we're just naturally intuitive, and then society starts to desensitize us from that knowingness."

"Our intuition is one of the hardest and greatest things that we can do in being connected to source and spirit. I think that's what really desensitizes children—teaching them to go against the grain and not to trust themselves."

"The gift is being in the human body and being able to experience it all, knowing that it's not the end all, be all."

Connect with Dawn

Website - https://www.dawnpaula.com/

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/_dawnpaula_

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/DawnPaulaPsychicMedium

Resources Mentioned

Sacred Soul Society – https://www.dawnpaula.com/sacred-soul-society

Waze – https://www.waze.com/

Poltergeist - https://amzn.to/3PqyiiU

Connect with Greg

Website - https://www.healing4d.com/

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/4d_healing/

YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@gregschmaus

LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/greg-schmaus-22929589/

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When I was in high school, I actually had a really intense near death experience.

I don't talk about it a lot and it's really interesting and I. That could

take us on another tangent, but I definitely feel like for

whatever reason, after that experience I

had almost sought out people that had some sort

of experience like that. And we

called it the NDE Club. And anybody that I knew and we would discuss

it was really interesting because I feel like I got really

into walk ins, soul walk ins.

And I don't know if that was something that I experienced. I don't believe

that I did, but it piqued my interest there. In a world moving faster than

our minds were designed to handle, mental health is becoming one of the defining

challenges of our time. Welcome to Mental Health in a Modern World

with holistic health practitioner Greg Schmauss. After

overcoming severe anxiety and OCD and his own life,

Greg dedicated the past decade to helping others heal through a fully

integrated approach to mental health, combining lifestyle coaching,

psycho emotional healing, mindfulness and archetypal work.

Over the years, he's facilitated thousands of sessions guiding people back to

peace, clarity, and a deeper connection with themselves.

Each week, Greg shares powerful solo insights, conversations with

leading voices in holistic healing, and immersive live coaching sessions that take

you into inside the healing process itself. New episodes every

Friday follow the show and start reclaiming sovereignty over your mind

in a modern world. Here's Greg.

Dawn, welcome to the podcast. Aw, thank you. Thank you for having me.

I'm super excited to be here. Yeah, I would love to start with

just a little background about your work,

maybe how you got into it. I'm always curious about people in

the field of healing, of spirituality, of holistic

health and their personal journeys. There's always an

interesting journey and background and backstory that brings

people into this work. So I'd love to just start there.

Yeah, that's a. That's a great opener

and it's a bit of a long winded one, but I'll do the best I

can to keep it as concise as possible while still making

sense. As a child, I always just

gravitated, I'll say it that way. I always gravitated towards

things that were of the metaphysical world. We'll say

it just made sense to me. So I just kind of always

thought people, everybody was like that. Everybody

had, you know, heightened intuition. And I do believe now that

we all do, especially from birth into our younger

years before, we're very desensitized by

society and the earth plane for a matter of speaking

that was kind of, you know, with the early age stuff, but went to college

and I actually studied. Not a lot of people know this, but I actually got

a degree in sports medicine. And I was really

intrigued by science and the body, and I

still am in a lot of ways. That led me to. After

college, I took some time, I traveled and did

some things, but I didn't really want to go to grad school

just yet. I didn't know if I wanted to, I'll put it that way. And

so I ended up going to massage therapy school

and I figured I would work with athletes, you know, post injury and things

like that, because I had had that background already with my education

and going into the world of massage therapy. And I never thought I

would be a massage therapist. If you had asked me years before that, I was

definitely. There was no way. And when I stepped into that

space as a supportive healer,

I was. I loved it. I really did.

I was so intrigued by the capability of the body

in its way to heal with that type of modality.

And it really meant a lot to me and I took a lot of pride

in my work and I still to this day will say that. And I

really developed, though, as a energy

healer and that was one of my launching pads, if you

will. So, you know, it's very interesting how the body that

got me there and my curiosity and passion for it in a lot

of ways then brought me to the

connection of more or less the ethereal world. And

while I was doing that, getting trained in Reiki and things like

that, Reiki, I respect it wholeheartedly.

But for me, there was something else that I kept feeling like

I wanted to be outside of a. Anything

compartmentalized, if you will. And

I couldn't explain it, but I just went with it and then I just kept

going. And I will say this, when I was in high school, I actually

had a really intense near death experience. I don't talk about it a

lot and it's really interesting and I. That could take us on another tangent.

But I definitely feel like for whatever reason, after

that experience, I had almost sought

out people that had some sort of experience like that.

And we called it the NDE Club. And

anybody that I knew and we would discuss it was really interesting because

I feel like I got really into Walk Ins.

Soul Walk inside. And I don't know if that was something

that I experienced. I don't believe that I did, but it piqued my interest

there. So I almost need to like, I'm being Called to insert that here. And

I feel that's important. It'll come up. But so back to

technical and becoming a massage therapist and working as a healer,

energy worker. And then, you know, my intuition

and my psychic abilities were really growing. And

then I had another life experience that brought me to

a point where I decided that I really, I had what

some would call a spiritual awakening. Although I don't know if we ever really awaken,

you know, if it's just a cut and dry spiritual awakening. I feel like for

some of us it's an ever evolving thing.

But I started to really get more in depth and pursue

my spiritual interests. What it meant things, things like that. And that

really aligned beautifully with that psychic opening that

I was also having. And one of I

was channeling. And while I was doing healings and one of

my incredibly profound experiences that led me directly

to this type of mediumship that I practice now is I had

somebody, I started to work with people that were regular

clients of mine for massage. And I would just let them know, hey, you know,

I'm opening up psychically. And if you're comfortable with it, I'll either bring you a

channeled message or, you know, I would practice, do these exercises. But

I didn't have professional development. I was just going with whatever

called to me. And this woman who was on the massage

table. Sure, sure, sure. And for the first time, I had a very

clairvoyant visual of what I then found

was her, her brother who had passed, and he had passed, you know, years

beyond. And I described the scene to her and she just got really

silent and she was like, oh, oh, okay. So that's my

brother, he passed. And at the time, because I was

undeveloped, I didn't know what to do

with it. So I was as startled as she was

and I almost left it flat. Like, I finished her session and I

did some, some energy healing, but I didn't stay connected to him

and I would have wanted to. And, and that actually brings me to another point.

I also need to insert this. I have definitely had very,

a good amount of paranormal experience throughout my life. Outside of

me though, this, this was a very clairvoyant scenario that I

was encountering. But before that, since child, I don't know,

going walking on the land, seeing things, seeing, you know, lice

where they're not supposed to be, seeing entities where there aren't any and things like

that. So that just reminded me, because there's actually a

kind of a funny story of how I got catapulted into developing

into the work I do now, even just a handful of years

back. But there was. I had another paranormal experience.

And had I realized what it was, I probably would have intentionally

stayed connected or wanted to stay connected at the time.

I saw a little girl running around, and I thought she was actually somebody

on property where I lived. And it turned out that it

wasn't. So all these things just kind of wrap up into

bringing me to, okay, I'm.

It's not a need for a psych eval kind of scenario. It's more or less

like I understood that this was being. There was a connection to consciousness,

a connection to the other worlds that we

exist in other energy planes. And

so, yeah, so here I am. So that brought me to developing, though, and

understanding evidential mediumship development because I also.

I chose to develop my mediumship as an evidential

medium because there's that scientific part of me or that

curious part of me that really always wants more evidence

or how do you know the prove it kind of

thing where I can have acceptance.

It's not about. It's not necessarily about prove it in the way of

skepticism. It's more of like, what else is out

there. It's just curiosity. And so now

when I do my readings and when I'm connecting with people who are

spirit side, I'm. I'm working and developing on

really, how do I know. And how do you know that this is

your person or your pet or what have you? So that's

really why I chose or it brought me to evidential

mediumship, where mediumship of guides, angels and things

like that is beautiful. And it worked well and serves me well

and others in channeling. But I still want to

know. I still want to see them. That. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much

for sharing that. And you know, it's funny because our. Our journeys are actually

quite parallel in terms of starting out with the physical body

and then working our way more to the energetic body.

And for me, it was probably similar to you just following this breadcrumb

trail of, okay, I'm starting as a personal trainer now

I'm doing nutrition now I'm doing massage therapy now I'm doing

energy work. And now things are opening up to other realms. And

so it sounds like almost like the onion. There's layers

that you peel back and you start with what's most familiar, comfortable.

And then it starts to get more expansive. I'm curious,

going back to childhood and you mentioned, I think all children

have access to this or are open from the start. I'M

curious, what are the things that close children

down? What are the things that close us down? Is it religion, is it

parental programming, is it trauma that then we have

to heal to open ourselves back up? And my sense is it's probably

designed that way. But I'm curious your

thoughts on why children are open but then

create that filter that closes them back down.

Absolutely. And I will say I've done a lot of reading up on this.

Right. And I feel, and I believe that

it's a little bit of both of what you said. I do think

that a lot of us are innately sensitive when we're born.

We're really spiritual beings having this earthly human

experience. And that really brings it into a nutshell, because

in our bodies, because I've had people ask me, my child is really

intuitive. They're already seeing, you know, can we develop them.

And that's up for debate in the mediumship world. The reason

why I say that is because I now

see and understand that we need to have had

certain Earth experiences

to. It's why we're here.

Right. And so having these experience, as

in our very humanness, you know,

sometimes I'm like, oh, I'm being. I'm like, so superhuman right now. And

it. It's. I'm not like a superhuman. I'm so superhuman in

these moments that I'm like, oh, you know, and you feel it. The

ethereal world, spirit world, they all operate on a higher

vibration, right. Frequency. And as a child, they

often. Children just do. They just do naturally. Because the spirit's still getting used

to the body. Right. And you mentioned about being a

trainer, believe it or not. Side note, I was too, for a

couple of years in there. It's like we all could go be

bodybuilders, but are we going to. No, I

don't. I don't want to do that. Right. But some people are

more gravitated towards that. For children, I feel

like their knowingness, and I would say don't discount their

knowingness because I do believe that is certainly something that's

true. I do feel that. And for some, there are a few that can

go straight to working with the energies and mediumship and all of that. But I

hope I'm answering your question. Well, but they're. They need to have that.

They need to. And so to bypass that

and just stick with the mediumship might.

Unless they're, you know, one of these certain anomalies, and there are some of them

out there, but it bypasses that human

experience. And then we can get into a lot of stickiness as

well. Trauma is one thing. I feel like for some, trauma

is something that almost opens a doorway to more.

If you seek it right as a source, it becomes the healing,

becomes the journey, becomes the landing.

But I feel like with children, they're all really.

They're so amazing. Children are amazing. We're all amazing as children. But

society. So to really go back to your question, society, whether

it be religion, but I'll use this umbrella of society.

It constricts all of that. Don't do it this way,

behave this way. And you shouldn't be listening to your

intuition. You shouldn't be doing that. You shouldn't. Don't do that.

And I mean, I don't want to get again another route

of another cup of coffee, but it's

to trust. Our intuition is one of the

hardest and greatest things that we can do in being

connected to source and spirit. And

I think that's the greater. I think that's the thing that really

desensitizes children is teaching them that.

To go against the grain for that. And

I'm going to say what I'm going to say, but it's a form of control.

Do we need some of that control and order? We need some of it on

the earth plane? I'll say we do.

But what it's put in too harsh of a place or implemented too

strongly. Um, I mean, I work with so many people that are just kind of.

They'll talk about it all the time. I. I was raised to not believe this

or not think that. And if you go, I mean, if we could talk about

religion, I mean, I'll be here all day. In the way of. I do believe

the spiritual principles of a lot of religions was

well intended. People get in the way. We just get in the way of a

lot of things. But it's people being people in their ego that is

a shield and aura for control. Yeah.

Beautiful. I work with a lot of children and young

adults. You know, my area of work has been very much a holistic

approach to mental health and the show Mental Health in a Modern World.

And I've had so many young people come to me with, quote,

unquote, diagnoses of mental illness, whether it's anxiety

or schizophrenia or OCD

or, you know, all these diagnoses. And when I work with them,

they're so intuitive, they're so tapped in. They have this

energetic sensitivity. A lot of them have different voyances that

are, you could say, untrained. And I'm curious

if you've seen this over the last, I don't know, maybe

10, 15 years of this wave of

this young generation who are so tapped in, but

they're being pathologized because they're

expressing these symptoms that are being misinterpreted as,

you know, mental illness. I'm curious what you have found to be

true there. Yeah, great question, Great tap again.

It's almost like the burning of the witches all over again in a modern

way. Do I feel like, and I was just having this conversation with somebody

over the weekend, I do feel that some of

these things, the diagnoses are

true. So it's a very fine line, you know, because

we'll go back to witches and all of that.

The healers, the women that, you know, and some men, but that were really

sought after for their, their seers, you know, for that ability.

And they maybe didn't have the technology that we have

or, or what have you. But it's

almost like were they experiencing schizophrenia,

which is a real thing, I mean, it's a real diagnosis, it's a real

ailment of the brain. Or were they a true

seer and maybe it was coming erratically

because their encounters were so intense that they didn't know what to do with it.

So bringing us up to now and to your question, you know, and then

what was it in the 90s? I think in the early 2000s, we had the

indigo children and it was like these types of, you know, Starseed children now

I think they're called. There's, you know, these ones that come down with or

into incarnate with different vibrational frequencies

and pathologizing some of

it again is important because I've

seen it and I've witnessed myself the discomfort

of not understanding it. I think education

from a spiritual perspective and the way that we can as lightworkers,

what you do is amazing. And really having this

ability to educate not just the children, but their

parents and the people around them. So that maybe

there's a balance, maybe it's finding their way. If they're over medicated, then that's

going to just suppress and subdue any ability and any

zest for life, in my opinion. But that's just my opinion. But

it's almost like I do believe that they're here

because they're offering a different. We're in a shift of different

vibrational frequency. We. It's going to take years, but it's

happening, it's been happening. And the generation,

especially in these past two generations, say you know, I know my sons are in

their. They're in their early 20s. Right. So even

witnessing their generation of coming up and

it's like all of a sudden they're a lot of

them, they don't know. They're so technologically driven.

The energy around them and abound

through them is incredibly different. So is it the chicken or the

egg? Sure. You know, does. Does that cause.

Does that cause the ailment or does that

prove their frequency innately?

Right. So, yeah, I'd love to do more of a

study and a deep dive on that, but I do feel like over

pathologizing things does make some people more money.

I said what I said, we can't deny the

truth. So, I mean, so there's that, you know, so there's so many elements

to it that I think it comes down to

a real individual scenario. Yeah. Because I

do believe that everything sets everything in motion anyway. I think that's part of why

they're here. Yeah. One of the

words you used was frequency. And

something I'd love to explore is over the last few

years, you know, my path more recently has been shamanism

and really opening up to some of those realms. And as

I've connected deeper with my own inner guidance

system, what I have found to be true from my experience

is that if we're connecting with spirit

guides, ancestors, beings on the other side,

so to speak, from what I've come to experience, we're

really just moving into a vibrational state

or a frequency that's in resonance with that

dimension. And so a lot of times people think,

oh, like the spirit world is out there, or in religion, like heaven is

like up in the sky or it's like some other place. And

like, what I have found to be true for myself is there's not

another place that they go. It's just almost like a.

It's like the radio has different stations that you tune to,

and as you tune the frequency to a certain station, you pick

up a different signal. And so all of that is

actually happening right here. And so I would

love for you to expand on that as someone that's been doing

this work a lot longer than I have to build on that.

Because you use that word frequency, which really I felt was significant.

Yeah, definitely. I'm excited. I. I love that you're doing that

too. Shamanism is something that always fascinates me too. Right. And this is

consciousness. So I'm going to take us out of like just not just.

But the mediumship mindset too, of connecting soul to soul. Because

when I did my quantum healing hypnosis

training last year, I was challenged and

in some ways, and I'm going to circle back, you'll see where I'm going with

this. But it was. I was so used to

connecting soul to soul, soul to soul. And that really just

takes something I already kind of knew and believed in, so to

speak. But it opened it up for me and it was like,

wait, we're all energy.

I mean, it's all about consciousness. It doesn't matter. And that's why I

chose to do the quantum one and not a past life regression one. Or

because there's this multitude of energetic

frequencies, vibrations, whatever you choose to use the word,

it's existence, it's life, it's consciousness. So

yeah, that's why so much can actually be existing, living at the

same time. And you said this too, and I actually

remember not too long ago, is connecting to someone's

loved one on the other side. And I

now try to use very consciously the spirit world. Because

this person who was spirit said, there is

no other side. I got schooled by this person. Spirit side, they were great. But

they were like, there is no other side. Stop saying the other

side. We're all right here. And I was like, oh,

right. You know, it's almost slang. But the.

When we pass to my experience, this is

what I've been told by those spirit side.

It's again, if we're spiritual beings having a human experience,

so. So then we just drop the body

off when we're done with it, or it can no longer serve us

because it's incapable of doing that for whatever reason.

And then we're still here, we're still operating

that frequency of our. I want to say our spirit,

right, is still very much in

existence. It's like when we get out of a car, we park it where it's

over there or maybe you trade it in and you get a new one. You're

still the same person going into that new car.

Right? So the same thing. It's almost like how I relate with the body.

It's like it's just something you're going to put over there and

then maybe get a new one or maybe not. And that brings us to reincarnation.

But the frequency is really tuning into. Yes.

Different radio stations, definitely.

And when you think about it, Earth rocks.

Something that might not be seen as having

any sort of energy because it's in complete

stillness, because it's

the frequency of that. That's why people that work heavily with

Crystals and things like that, they understand the frequency of certain minerals,

crystals, energies, rocks, pieces of the earth

again. So fascinating. But there's still

consciousness there. It's just on

what we can as science, like science shows us that if it

operates at a low frequency, what does that do? It

creates mass and matter. That's

what happens. So, and then. So that's where

we slow down to come in, to be

incarnated, to slow down in our bodies. Right.

And then we can go, you know, we're operating that really fast

again. So when we do, maybe when you do some shamanistic work or when

I'm connecting as a medium, it's

bringing that. Attuning myself to that

frequency, that spirits already, that's where they

are. Yeah. Right. So there it's the personal

WI fi. Right. That's. That's a new fun term for it.

Yeah. You know, two things that were coming up for me is, number one,

I was thinking back to how both of our journeys was started

with the physical body. And what was coming up for,

for me is that I find the

healthier the body is, the

higher frequency you can hold within it.

And so when the body gets less and less healthy,

our vibration drops along with it. And so I'm

wondering if some of like, like energy healers and a lot

of people that are like in our line of work,

if one of the intentions of starting with the physical body is one

to ground, but then also to realize that the body

is also the antenna and that

the healthier the body, the greater access we have. I'm curious your

thoughts on that. Yeah, I love that. So

it's. And I'm going to go back to science a little bit right here because

we're still. We're also a universe.

So when you think about it, that the

healthier the body because the less

composition of the cells, anything that's being held onto,

it's nothing sticking the food you take in, maybe

the environment you choose to surround yourself in or the. So let's go to

exercise. Right. We can both understand that too. Having worked in that

world for a minute. It's the exercise. And this for

me, I chose to do this when I was first opening as well, a lot

of exercise to understand that

it would help my vibration physically. So it's really just going

back to vibration. Some people need the

ability to be so light that the vibration can charge quickly.

But there are some people that don't need that

because the essence of the

vibration really comes from within. Yeah. So while it helps us

feel better and we can sustain. It can give more endurance,

perhaps. I know that I will

intentionally. And then I did this when I was working as massage therapist

as well. But now it's, it's really important. Even more so.

How and when I choose to eat around my sessions is really

important because food grounds me, because it gives the things

in my body something to do. And because energy work also,

believe it or not, it like creates a caloric recharge.

And so it's. It's like, oh, you start to feel like I'm being depleted. But

I didn't even move. I was sitting here the whole time or maybe just standing

still. If it's an event and it's. Well, I would eat after

to bring me back into my body.

That's all. That's all. So I will not eat a big meal

before I do readings or an event especially because all

that energy. But I'll be sure to have

something after to almost reminding me

that's what it is. It's like reminding me that, oh, this body I

need because. But I would love to hear from you because I understand

even in shamanism, I mean, there's something about the fasting journey

going back to when you're on the precipice and we're going to

talk a little bit about maybe the precipice of near

death or death right. Right before it. Not at the point

where the body starts to literally completely

decide to stop working. But it's. If you're having literally

near death, maybe it's from starvation you start to see and

you start to get so close to the spirit world. That's why if

you work with people or if you've ever been around somebody who's maybe

on hospice or maybe ill and they're starting to. And they're like, oh,

Aunt Jenny's here and I'm seeing this person and people ask me,

are they really being visited? And I say, well, the people they're being now, they're

coming close to the people that are going to be there to receive them. Because

they don't talk about the people that are in the room physically, people that are

near death. They're going to talk about the people that are spirit side. And that's

because now what's happening is. And this is also why I can do

mediumship for people that are in comas and things. It's because

they're so already ascending and they're

matching their spirit, is matching the spirit world.

But the body is still at a body vibration. Right.

I hope that helps probably opens up questions. Oh, absolutely.

It's funny, I actually have an Aunt Jenny. I'm

sure. Of course, she's probably hanging out right here.

Yeah. Her energy's with us. Even if she's on

the. On the Earth side. Yeah, no, she's. She's on the other side.

Okay. Other. Other side. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Spirit. Spirit world.

Yeah. You were mentioning shamanism. It's. It is

a classic initiatory process to.

Whether it's a vision quest, sweat lodge. For me,

recently it's been sweat lodge and darkness, where you do,

you know, withhold input into the system.

And whether it's through sensory deprivation or fasting,

I find it increases the sensitivity

to the subtle energy and to the.

Because what we're talking about is more like subtle realms

that in this density can be harder to pick up on.

But when you were sharing earlier and you were talking about, like the rock and

the stone and what was rising up in me is,

we've all been told, I think it's mostly through Abrahamic religion,

which is the separation of spirit and matter,

which is. Spirit is in this world and matter is in this world.

And what I love about shamanism is you're taught that spirit

is infused into matter

and that they're not separate worlds or

dimensions, that they actually coexist. I'd love for

you to speak to that a little bit. Yeah, I love that.

Well, it's like the show's over. You just said it all. I love it

because for me, I'm like, yes, yes, that's exactly it. What a beautiful way to

put it is that it is. The worlds are infused. Right. And so.

And I think I was kind of almost saying it before, it's that we're coexisting.

We're all coexisting because there's

the. It is infused. But if we go

back to what we understand as energy.

Right. Because frequency is energy. It's all literally

currency energy. And so

it's how it's being transmitted, or lack thereof. Yes.

And this is something that I'm more opening up to now is

understanding, though, that we are not the only

matter in existence. The Earth as

we know it. Right. The world. Because going

into galactic terminology and going even

further, I mean, that's all energy happening out there. Right.

So is it infusing other planets

or things that are there? Absolutely. I mean, the sun is literally a

ball of fire. Right. But it's. Think about

how much energy is in powers behind that.

And the moon. These are the things that we can see from The Earth plan

plane that we can see as humans what we understand. And

so none of that needs to be told

what to do and how to do it. Just like nature, right? It just

does. It just knows without human interference, we're

busy bees over here doing all of this. You know, let's cut down the trees,

let's do this, let's do that. And so then we become so

directionary in what we're doing in the task

that we forget that a lot of this sustains our

life as humans on this Earth. And.

And our spirit is certainly infused, but so is the spirit of

the trees, the Earth, the planets, the all of that around

us. And that's part of what for me has been

that much more expanded because in this past year,

understanding more going now to quantum and understanding that.

Because if we define spirit

as something that

infuses or if, you know, I say the spirit world, but

that'll probably change my term for that too because I feel like I'm putting

limitations on it by doing that, you see. And so when I

take out the limitation of it being

anything, it's really just what we can comprehend, right? It's just

what we're trying to find, the answers of things that we won't know until we're

over there. But it's fun to explore and understand

because spiritually it helps us

understand things that can raise our vibration, maybe as

individuals. And then we go to. Oh, you like that? I like

that. That makes sense to me and you as well. So now together as a

collective, you know, so maybe shamans as a collective, you

know, the idea. And I love how you were saying about the idea of

taking the input away. And that's really

a lot of what development and training is. Even as a medium, it's getting very

used to taking the

input. Just moving that part of my brain that takes

in over and honoring,

trusting and surrendering to that part of my brain

computing. But all my other senses that are

subtly now exchanging information on that

frequency so that I can bring, you know, bring those two

worlds together. So, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, what rises up in me is how,

you know, I think there was research a while ago that said the average person

modern day consumes more information in one day than our

answers ancestors did in one lifetime.

If you think about the amount of. Obviously light

carries infinite information. So like with our screens, like

the amount of information that's entering our psyche

on a daily basis would be infinitely more than

our ancestors that were just living in nature. And so I'm

curious As. As human beings that

are looking to develop intuition and open up to

spirit, how do. Because I've experienced this

tremendously. Like, how do people navigate a world of

technology with all of that stimulation and

input and all the craziness with wanting

to open up to the subtle realms and for all

of what we're talking about to become a lived experience, it

seems like it's probably harder than ever. But

on the other hand, the veil might be thinner than ever.

So I'm just really curious. Anywhere you want to take that.

Yeah. Well, I will say this. I definitely. And again, I'm getting Just

go back to. We're evolving and we're in such an

evolutionary time with the technology and the way that we're using

computers and advancements and that type of. You know, if I

sit on a computer all day, I'm exhausted and I didn't even have

to move my body. Right. And it's because of that

connectivity where again, generations that

are born into this now, they already have the endurance

for it. It doesn't phase them. They're not. And. And I feel like if you

notice that you're more sensitive, you'll just understand the pull.

Right? It's so you're either input or output from technology in the way

that we understand technology. So I do feel that

that's definitely evolving us.

And it's. Are we going to be guardians

of the galaxy at some point? Maybe it's like that kind of evolution

where now we've got all of this happening

and our brains are. They're gonna.

And scientifically, but also evolutionarily speaking, I

do believe in evolution. Some point you almost. I

almost don't see a way where there isn't. Because every time we

have something like this that develops. So now to your point

where the brain is consuming and we're consuming that much

more as humans,

there's going to be a shift in how that our eyes, all of our

physical makeup, what we're used to, and how it's

acclimated to its environment. Right.

Over time, just. It just does. It's just part of it.

So we do feel that's one thing.

And then going back to some quantum ideas is

that okay. But it's not going to stop there because

this is all going to be going on in

another stratosphere anyway, and. Right.

And so that definitely. That's part of it. I feel like

the other part of it is that technology for us that are

living in this phase of it right now,

you know, like anything there's. There can you can look at it like assets and

liabilities about anything. The blessings and the curses, so to speak, where

technology can really help us. Look at you and I right now. How cool

is this? We met in person, but, you know,

then we've been able to do these connections on a

screen. You're in a totally other place than I am right now. And. And we're

still having this wonderful conversation about these types of things. And

this is happening now. It's so much more common and

there's accessibility for people in

connectivity. Yeah. And it's funny because there's this

thing about spirit coming through. Spirit comes through

electronics. Or maybe this is kind of silly, but remember the movie

Poltergeist? It's like where it came through the tv, the scary.

Because it's energy. It's energy. So now we get

to not be scary about it. We get to be like vibrating

over the fact that this is all really happening.

And, and I think technology is a

beautiful gift in that way. I think that it also creates a whole

nother world. Right. Where people

can go and they can go down. It's like if you're walking in,

in. In an unfamiliar place and you go down a dark

alley and you don't know what you're going to find. Maybe it's not the best

of things. You can do that online, you know, you can do that online.

So I feel like it's. Again,

if you use it in the right way, it's going to be really helpful

for people. Incredibly helpful. And I'll share this because

it's coming up. For whatever reason, even talking about

technology with the, with the headsets, I don't know if you've ever done anything with

like, VR and there's something about

people that are ill or maybe going through chemo

or having an experience that they can't go anywhere

or they can't settle and they put on this

VR and it takes you to. Maybe it's the

sands of the white beaches in Capri or something.

It feels so incredibly real that here you are,

here you are. And you, for that time and space, you get to

not be your body, not be in your body, but you're

still into that experience. So technology is fascinating in that

way. Right. It's amazing that that can happen.

We've been working towards this. I'm. I'm very

intrigued by the past, though, and what it

was like without all this. You know,

there had to have been, I believe, though, even to them there was

technological advancements, even the wheel. I mean,

it was oh, my gosh. We can, like, do this and go places and move

things. And so to us, it seems like, wow, super

powerful. There's always been something super powerful. If you look at history,

it's just we're not limited. What

technology and advancements are really just

breaking limitations. Yeah. Yeah.

Beautiful. I'm. I'm so grateful that you shared that. You could say

integrated approach or perspective because there's so much

polarization where, like, in the tech world, AI and everything is the

most amazing thing. In the spiritual world, it's devastating.

And now we have the middle way, as Buddha would say.

Yes. I'd love to

shift gears for a moment and explore.

This is something I've been really curious about. When you're

giving readings and, you know,

I've gotten many readings from many different

practitioners. You and I have started to work together,

and a lot of people that I know have gone for readings, many psychics,

shamans. And a lot of times they'll say, you know,

they read these things and these things happened,

and they read some of these things and these things didn't happen.

And a lot of times people would say, like, oh, like, they read all these

things and it didn't happen. They're not good at what they do, or they. It

wasn't real, or, like, all these kind of, like, stories.

So I'd love to explore, like, when you're giving your reading,

how much are you tapping into? We could say, like, the

quantum field of potential, which these are

some potential paths based on whether

it's, you know, your soul's alignment or maybe even choices

that you make along the way versus this kind of

fixed outcome, kind of black or white. Because there has to

be so much that goes into something

that you see and whether it actually manifests in

someone's life in the physical world. And so I'd love to

kind of unpack that a little bit because I feel like there's

so many nuances that most people might not understand

that goes into what someone is reading

versus what actually happens or

manifests like, in their life. If you're open to exploring

that a little bit. Yeah, sure. And thank you, actually, for bringing

that up, because it is something that

unfortunately, can dissuade people

from going maybe back to somebody unless they felt super comfortable. And

even though it was like, well, that didn't really happen the way they said it

would. So there's a couple factors with that, and it's. What I

need to emphasize is that when I'm working, and

probably, you know, any medium, but I'll. I'll stick to myself when I'm working psychically

and mediumistically. First of all, there are two different things. So psychically is

connecting to what's happening on the earth plane to the person that's alive

sitting in front of me, alive on the earth plane in front of me, and

connecting to say, it's you and it's your energy, and we're

discussing what's going on for you.

And then there's mediumship, which is connecting to the spirit

world and then bringing that information in. So

part of what I want to make sure to say is that for

people. People. I would ask people

to understand that we're getting. It's our interpretation. I

feel like what makes what would, rather than. It's what they're getting.

Unless they're just not in the power. Which being in the power means they're. They're

just at that vibrational frequency and they know we know we're connected. And

I'll feel it if I'm not. But something, you know, comes out,

I'll say eight times, maybe nine times out of 10, I'll feel when it happens.

Sometimes I'm just in such go mode that it just flies in and then flies

out. I'll say it doesn't make any sense. Just put it on the side. Spirit

always brings it back around. If it's something that they want to make sure that

they get to you that information and even psychically, right. That information,

if it's so profound and it's got to get to you, it will,

but it's. It's really about the opportunity to

translate. So how are we, as the medium or

the psychic in that way, interpreting that information

in a way that would be offered to

make sense to the person in front of me, which is the

sitter. Okay. And so it doesn't mean

that they're necessarily wrong. It means

that they could have misinterpreted it. Now,

in their delivery, as they articulate what they're getting,

or in the. Because everything's perception.

So in the way that the sitter, the person in front of

them, received the information, how they heard it and how they digested it,

there's that part. Because we're getting information, we're doing

the see, hear, feel, know, getting, you

know, imprints all at the same time. So very quickly

decoding that, making it, okay, this is what. And then

bringing that information and. Or story to. To you.

What I would say too, is that plays a big part in the

psychic sessions is

free will. So that's also why one of my

sessions is I don't do predictions. Unless spirit. Unless somebody,

spirit side is giving information. Like, this is what

they're seeing for you, and this is what. That's their information. And there's

an intelligence there that's just kind of like they already know because there's no time.

So they're just like, boop, go here. But psychically,

it's going to be a psychic soundboarding because I'm going to help you work through

that using psychic information and intuition,

helping what I feel. And I pay really close attention

to the vibrational frequency of a person when

they're offering what it is. Now I choose to

walk through that with them spiritually and give them feedback

because there's free will. And I can't. I'm not going to say, this is what

you're gonna do and this is what's gonna happen. I can lay it out in

the way of, well, this is. This feels

like it's really in alignment with where you are headed and where you

want to be and where you're going. So if you stay the course and

pay attention for the signs, because things that are in alignment were

meant to be, as some people might say. They just go easy. It just.

Things just start to open up and the path unfolds really easily. You're not

forcing anything. You have to work at it a little bit, Put in some elbow

grease to get where you want to be, but allowing it to unfold

in front of you versus really forcing something.

So I could say to somebody, you know, I feel that this

is something coming up for you, but if they're not,

if they're still in a place where they're just. My

experience, people just can be so blocked. They want it done for

them and they don't want to put the work in. They want the psychic to

tell them, though, this is what's going to happen just because it just is.

And that's not how it works.

Because then what your subconscious is saying, my

free will is I choose to do nothing about it. And you're

disempowering yourself and you're putting it

all on the psychic or the person to do it all for you

just because they made a statement. And that could be with anything.

Right? So I really like to encourage and empower

people when I work with them and just say, this is how it

could look. Or maybe this is something you want to unpack or look into

and kind of move forward, help support. It could be. We could get

blocks from Anything, trauma, grief, anything. Yeah,

Addressing it's going to help you find your path and

reopen back up. But that brings us back to that place of. Let me go

back into seeing that. So I think that's where. But it gets a bad rap

because people are like, well, I just want the answer. And then it doesn't happen.

And there's a multitude of reasons why. But I try to be very.

As somebody who understands that, I try to be very

clear when I work with somebody, though, I think a lot of it is the

responsibility of the psychic or medium as well, to educate the person that's going to

come for the reading or while they're there, or maybe beforehand. This is what to

expect. If I could be the psychic that gets the

lottery numbers and lays them out for everybody, so to speak, we'd all be set.

Let's go. We'll go. We'll go on vacation all the time, everywhere, you know,

so. So there's a reason why we don't. Because we have this

ability, but it's giving the person the gift of also

reminding them of their free will. That's the part we're just

kind of helping support the space. We're just maybe a co

pilot, maybe not. I like to say that spirit and source are really the co

pilot, but we're just kind of the person with the directions. Like, here I see

this and here's the best way to get there, maybe. Yeah,

thank you for that. And I remember this was

many months ago. I was driving in my car and I was using Waze just

to get me somewhere. And I just had this sense of, like,

spirit works very similar to how Waze

works, where, like, there's this destination which we could

say is like your destiny, your potential, and

spirit's guiding you there, ideally, like,

in the most efficient way possible. But spirit

might say, turn left, and you're like, no, screw that, I'm turning right.

And you have the free will to turn right. Waze is not going to say,

like, oh, like, it's. Waze isn't going to control your car.

Like, you're going to turn right. And then Waze is just going to recalibrate.

And there might be a different timeline because there's

a different ETA now, because there's maybe a little detour.

And I'm curious your thoughts on that. Like, spirit is always

guiding you, but giving you free will and

then recalibrating, like, almost like in the quantum field after

each choice. Would you say that that aligns with your

experience giving readings? Absolutely. Absolutely. I

love that. Yeah, for sure. Because it's so true. It's such a great analogy.

It's so true. Right. Life is just the lily pads to getting to where

we're going to go anyway. Or maybe you've heard we're all just walking each other

home. We're still being. It's like you can get there any way you want.

And some ways, though, like you said, you might take, oh,

I'm going to just do this anyway, because I think I want. I think I

know better. I want to get there faster. And this goes back to discounting maybe

some intuition or something. You know, I've taken that other route before

or I heard about it, let me do this. But maybe that's

not the route for you. And on that day, at that time.

So now you're on that route and the road is closed, and now you're like,

I gotta turn back around and go back. Something wrong? It's nothing

bad. Just gonna take you a little longer to get there. You know, maybe you

have to try going an entirely another way. And maybe you

were going to go to a place that you haven't been

and now it's closed, so you have to go home.

And then you have to get in the car tomorrow and take

that route and wait for that road to be open again so that you can

fully complete the course and get to where you were going. Talk about being

infused. And you used that word earlier. And I really love that too, because that's

the part I feel like that's very much infused. Is that

the navigation and the connectivity, the connection

to source? Yes, infused in us. And

also allowing some people say, well,

I don't want to be the one to tell

people that they're responsible. I don't do manifesting because I don't want to tell people

that they're responsible. How can you tell somebody that they're responsible for something bad

that happened? And it's, it's not necessarily that

they're responsible for the thing that was bad that happened.

Right. Because that's where we're not surrendering. That's where we're thinking

that we're in charge. It's not really manifesting. That's, again,

disempowering yourself to that idea.

Right. But to really step back and

go, well, okay, I want to

raise the energy so I feel more aligned. So maybe you're just having a day

where you thought you were in a rush and the universe slowed you down

and sent you back for a reason, and that's there's

something to be said for. That's okay. Maybe. I feel like that's a big part

of the surrender to it. And

yeah, I mean,

I chuckle because it's like spirit's always in charge

again, spirit's responsible for our creation and spirit being

the energy of it. And then spirit's still in charge in that

way. So we have free will for sure. I've used. I

have an interesting relationship with my GPS

because it's like, I've done that and it's like, oh, or maybe I, you know,

need a gas. So I pull off and then there's no gas station. And so

it's like all these quirky little things. But I do too relate it to

connection in the spirit world and really being shown that. But that's the free

will part. We need to have free will because free will is. And people

don't understand this. So I do want to say this if I can.

We need to have free will because if we didn't, it takes away our

opportunity to have that real human experience,

that cause and effect. And so it's part of it for all

of us. Otherwise, why be here? Yeah. You know,

feel it all. I tell people, feel it all. The good, the bad, the things

that really ignite you, the field, the things that make you feel. Just feel it,

experience it. Because that's.

Again, this isn't. This is the gift, not the ability to connect. You know, the

gift is being in the human body and being able to experience it all,

knowing that it's not the end all. Be all.

Yeah, People get stuck in that.

And I find free will is what gives meaning.

You know, like if. If our. Let's say,

our significant other didn't have the free will

to hate us, then them loving us

wouldn't mean anything. Or if

they didn't have the free will to leave us, then them

being with us wouldn't have any meaning. So it's almost like we

need the free will in a world of polarity

for anything to hold any

value. Yeah, exactly.

Just like. Exactly. Just like the dark and the light.

Yeah, just like the dark and the light. Right. So. Because

neither one of them can do diligence

without the other. So it's so

simple. But we can get caught up because we're taking in

so much. We're experiencing so much. We're experiencing things we don't even know we're experiencing.

Right. And so it's like all that's going on so we can get caught

up in all that. But just like bringing it back down to,

oh, I've got this thing called free will and it's part

of my magic superpower as a human. That's for

all of us, that is our superpower. We just forget it's

there. Yeah, yeah. I'd love to jump

over to mediumship for a moment. Sure.

One of the things that I've been very curious about is,

you know, a lot of times when whether you're giving a reading or

we're connecting with ancestors and they share information,

they share insight, they share guidance,

I'm wondering how much we have to discern

whether that ancestor or family member

is in a healed state

to offer that. I remember, I don't know if it was

Paul Selig or one of like the well known channels. Like he

said, just because they don't have a body, it doesn't mean they're wise.

And I'm curious if, as a medium, if you

feel like there has to be any discernment, let's say when an

ancestor is coming into a session, like where are they

at in their healing journey and what they're offering

as guidance, like, does there have to be some discernment

there? I'm just really curious your thoughts on that. Yeah, that's really

interesting and I almost beg to differ a little bit on that statement.

Yeah. Because I believe in the intelligence of

spirit and I believe that the intelligence is not just

operationally but the intelligence in the way of the spirit knows

best. And I feel that that type of comment

is. Just because they're an ancestor doesn't mean they're wise. Could be,

I think that's what you said or something like that. Right. It's. Yeah. Just because

they don't have a body doesn't mean they're wise. Yeah, yeah. And

so in my understanding of it is

that you're now relating to the soul

and. Yeah, sure, the soul, because the soul is what is

the personality part of who our existence, of who we are outside of the

body. It's what makes, it's our composition that, that does

differentiate us from others. Right. Aside from, you

know, what our looks, our physical makeup is. But

so the wisdom will come from the soul.

But the spirit worlds is all

knowing and intelligent. So there's

wisdom there. Right. And

so again, I feel like that's a little bit limited.

I feel like it's the messenger and I'm going to go back to the

messenger there. Nothing against him if he was channeling.

It's. It's almost like I think it's in the context of how it's said. But

I also want to say that it's. And this is why

development with mediumship also, I will say this is so incredibly,

so incredibly important because the

delivery can mean

so much. You can get something with somebody

who's some connection mediumistically

from someone who's very spiritually developed

and they understand, you know, not understood

necessarily by others, but they understand their own development, they understand their own

connection, they understand

spirituality as a whole. Right?

And so if the information comes in and it's

not,

It's not necessarily delivered

with that knowingness that's going to help or empower now

the person receiving the information. Right. That could be

harmful. Now going back though

to directly like at the same time,

from what I understand, there are levels I've had, I've had

readings where the person, spirit side comes in

and says, in fact, I just had one, I think it was yesterday. The

person, spirit side was coming in offering, wow,

you know what? I want you to know I've changed. Things are so different now.

Now I've understood, now I've gained wisdom. When I was like this,

when I was on the earth plane, I was like this short sighted, narrow

mind. And now I'm here and my healing is

unfolding and I'm now getting

wisdom, maybe, but it's more of an opportunity

to. The healing is. In a lot of

times, the healing's in the message. It's so for instance, this person was like, I

needed to hear that. I needed to hear that. I needed to hear them

almost grace me with a love and

permission in a way that they didn't necessarily do when they were here on the

earth plane. But they were also taking responsibility for that. This

person's spirit side, it's very different. They were acknowledging the

unfoldment of what their process

is. Again, I.

The ultimate truth will know when we get there.

Because then that brings up the question of, well,

are there different planes? Are there? Do they have to go through these types

of things? I think it's in Christianity or maybe specific to

Catholicism, there's this place called Purgatory. And they get there and they

have to be in that like holding pen, so to speak,

on a soul level for a while before they can actually go. And is that

the place where they're faced with, I don't really know.

I, I feel like there's

a lot of healing that happens once they can see everything,

once they can allow that space. And again, I feel like the healing

is the contract of anything that's not

harmful or Disparaging and whatever that means

for both parties involved. Maybe it's the person's spirit side that

needs to hear from the person here still on Earth. Hey, I realized I

did you wrong. I'm so sorry. You're not here for me to say it, but

I'm gonna say it now. Or maybe their heart is mending in a new way.

Spirit knows that. Spirit knows that already again, because

they're. I'm gonna go up here. But that when we do up here, it just

means that's like the frequency where I see them, but they're everywhere, I

think. And going back to, like, the play on words. And you were saying

when we first opened, it's like you're thinking, everybody says heaven, things are up

here. It's really not. It's just. That's the frequency. It's

higher. That's all. It's relevant. Yeah. Yeah. You

use the word contract, and that's a

big word in the realm of spirituality and the realm

of Even in some of my work in Family Constellations.

And I'm curious your

perspective on us coming here

as souls incarnating with certain contracts,

maybe relationship contracts, work contracts, things we're here

to learn, things we're here to fulfill. And

then also, like, how much of those contracts are written in stone? How much of

those contracts are negotiable? I'm just curious, like,

in your experience offering readings and tuning into these things,

what's your experience been with our contracts

here throughout an incarnation? Yeah,

I love all of it. I say that every time. But I

do believe in soul contracts. And I do. I love exploring the idea of

them. And my experience with it is. It makes

sense in a lot of ways. I feel like

going back to the idea of.

I'm going to describe the visual, but if you ever see light bounce

off of something, right. To get. You know, it's either going to. Or it bounces

off. Bounces off, Bounces off. And so

I look at soul contracts like that is every

and every one. Maybe the one that you. You meet somebody and it's

just, oh, I feel like I've known that maybe in the past, maybe there was

another life or maybe there is another life that it's just so familiar. Just

you're so familiar to me. Maybe there's a contract going on

in another realm with that person. Right.

And so the analogy of the bounce off, it's almost

like because to get there, maybe the contract is,

I'm gonna help you get there.

And it's. It's not the Straight path like we were talking about. So

maybe some people go, well, why did it have to end? Maybe it's a relationship.

Why did it close? Well, maybe it fulfilled its part,

meaning it's now going to send you on a different

trajectory. And that next spot,

that other lily pad, is the one that you're going to then be,

oh, wow, there's so much more. There's more here. And so

that is how the contracts are perceived.

I do believe that they're agreed upon. The bigger ones, like, the more

the ones that are really going to help parents and

children maybe, or literally

family. And then the people that we choose to bring in and out of our

lives, even the ones that are, I'm going to say, a choice

in a relationship that you didn't maybe

understand was intentional, you end up in it. Maybe the person

is like, ooh, this does not feel good. Now I'm

recognizing that this is turning because maybe one of the

partners is not

in such a good headspace towards maybe they're mistreating. Maybe

there's mistreatment or something there. Then

it's that person. Now we go back to free will. But that person.

This doesn't feel right. I don't have to stay.

And if I choose to go

now, I'm setting that light beam back off,

right? And this person maybe did their

contract was to bring that into their life, to

set their soul on this other. Oh, almost. I can now

find freedom where I otherwise might not

have. For people, maybe they stay and I'm not pleased. If

anybody's listening. I'm not saying that staying or relationship

specific, this is purely an example. But if you end up and

you stay and you get stuck there and people, I'm stuck, I'm

stuck. There's another way. But now that contract is. Now

you're saying there's no negotiation and you're forgetting you're disempowering your free

will yet again. Right. And so

I feel like when I, and I will say this with

mediumship specifically, I've heard people from spirit

side say, I'm sorry, you know, if they're coming in

with taking accountability, I

coulda, shoulda, woulda, in hindsight,

maybe helped in this way. Would it have

changed the trajectory for the person on the earth

plane? Maybe sooner and again, going back to like that

example. But even. And this where I think mediumship can be a big, really

big tool to use because that

person's spirit side now is saying it to them now. And

there's that healing. Oh, now they can Go on their

trajectory. So we were saying, like, are you taking the long route? It's all relative.

It's still the same idea. Those contracts, I believe that

they're set in stone for certain

purposes, but I do believe underlying underneath all

of that, there's still the free will that's going to be the thing that

really seals the deal. Yeah. If that makes sense. Yeah. Beautiful. That's

like your signature in wet ink on the bottom of the contract. Yeah.

And so would you say our destiny is

unavoidable on some level, but how we get there is a

choice. Destiny is a good.

It's an interesting topic. Faded.

The faded. I don't know that. Yes and

no. And I feel like what it is is just going back to your ways.

Example, say you're trying to go to a specific

store. Right. Or location. And why it has to be a store.

Maybe we need to go shopping. Greg. But say there's

a specific location and you're

looking to get there, but you go, okay, that's

my perceived destination.

And now when you hit that dead end road, so you back

out and you go and you're like, okay, but I can turn around and just

go around the block. And then you get to the next block

and all of a sudden that location

that you were looking to go to, there's another one right

there. Oh, my gosh. Wow, look at that.

Amazing. So you know what? This is perfect.

I'm going to hang here. This is a location that's either the same

or carbon copy. And here you are. Right.

So that to me is the destiny and the

fate again. It goes back to having free will

and yet still being able to get

to where it is we need to go, which is still going to be

part of source and end up spirit side. Right. It's hard.

It's hard to practice in our daily lives, but sometimes it's

just. Why? Why be so serious? You know,

because at the end of the day, we're all just looking to go to

that. That beautiful place and that location and have the best time.

Maybe with the less amount of traffic, but meeting the most amount of people and

in the highest way possible, in the best way and the highest good

possible. So to

me, that's the destiny is there. It's not in the thing, it's not in the

grandiosity, it's not in the how much can I get there? That's where I

think I'm supposed to be. There's no thinking spirit. There's

no the wisdom of the ages going back

to that thing. Yeah. Because they did it. Maybe we can ask those that have

gone before us to come in and help support our journey.

Infusing it with the

knowing or the opportunity to be able to

discern those places that feel

good. Don't you want to just go there feeling good, but also understanding that if

I have a little of this, it doesn't feel right. It's just a check engine

light. It's just the guide to tell me, oh, maybe turn around or maybe go

a different way or find something that makes you feel good again. So yeah,

I feel like that's. Anyway, that's how I see it. And maybe

people are just going to call me a positivity chaser, I don't know. But I

talk to the dead for a living, so you've got to understand that.

But you know, I communicate with spirit better off said. And I don't think. I

don't see anything. I don't feel like there's anything wrong with that. I think we

all should just feel a little bit more empowered on a daily beautiful.

And I've had in the dark days. Right. So that doesn't mean that it's, it's

not having been without. Like you said before, the dark and the light, they

need to. So yeah. Beautiful.

Yeah. I could talk to you for hours about this,

but I would love to just open up the space for you

to share anything that you'd like to share about your work,

anything that our listeners haven't heard about. So I just love

to open up the floor for you to share anything else you'd

like to offer in terms of your work. Thank you.

Yeah, well, I do a few different things that I'm passionate about.

All of them. I do private one on one sessions. They're

virtual, which is fine. Spirit works the same. It doesn't change

the format of the reading or how your loved ones are going to

connect or how I connect with you. So private sessions,

I do quantum hypnosis sessions which are really

interesting and that's just to explore and visit

all of your consciousness. And it really is beautiful

way to have some understanding of

patterns of blockages of

yourself. Really even better yet. And

I do offer some mentoring as well. And I have

something called Sacred Soul Society, which is a

gathering weekly that we get together and

on Zoom. And I bring whoever is a part of that community

at the time, I bring the practices of understanding, your intuition,

of understanding how to connect. We talk. We do a lot of psychic work in

there, exploring. But you don't have to be a psychic or want to be a

psychic. Maybe you just want to understand spirituality better. You maybe want

to have more again connection to your intuition

and be supported in your journey with like minded people.

I try to think of what else and then I do events, you know, every

now and then you can check my events page on my website, my public events

or demonstrations of mediumship. And that's what I do. And

oftentimes for larger crowds. I do also do workshops. I haven't run any

in a while, but there will be. Those are my in person workshops will be

popping up again soon. So you can always check my website, which is

dawnpaula.com and

that will give you all of my information right on there. Anything that's being offered

at the current time can contact me directly through there as

well. And I'm on Instagram at Underscore

Dawn Paula Underscore as well. So those are probably

the best places to find me. Beautiful, thank you so much for that.

And I'm just curious if you or anything coming

through to you, any parting messages for our

listeners? Oh yeah, there's

something that's coming in about. Yeah, I just feel like there's

something about not giving up. Don't give up.

Don't give up. And give yourself an opportunity

to stand in the sunlight for a little while and enjoy it.

And I'm going to go back to what was just said. But why so serious?

Yeah, yeah, have some fun with it. Spirit, Spirit wants us to

play. Dawn, thank you so much for your

wisdom, your present, your guidance also in my life

and for coming on the show today for sure. Thank you. And I forgot

to mention, I do do mentoring, but that's all on my website, so you know

that already. But so good to see you. Thank you so much for asking me

to be a participant on your beautiful

podcast and all that you have to offer. And I definitely look forward to connecting

with you more as well. Thank you. Thank you so much. Okay, talk soon.

Bye bye.