Join us for this latest installment of Cape or Cap, where we dive deep into X-Men Origins: Wolverine!

This week, we're kicking off our "Ryan & Hugh Road Trip" visiting all the films that we felt led to their big 2024 blockbuster together Deadpool & Wolverine but more importantly divided the fandom. First stop: X-Men Origins: Wolverine—the explosive prequel that explores the beginnings of everyone's favorite adamantium-infused mutant, Wolverine. We’ll break down the plot, dissect the characters, and tackle the big questions:

• Is this good storytelling?
• How does it compare to other films, comics, and larger narratives?
• What was happening behind the scenes during the creation of this production and after its release?
• And as always, is this a "cape" or a "cap"?

01:13:46 Cape or Cap Verdict

Referenced Materials:

• Origin (alternatively known as Wolverine: Origin or Origin: The True Story of Wolverine) by  Bill Jemas, Joe Quesada and Paul Jenkins, and illustrated by Andy Kubert and Richard Isanove

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a very badly done CGI thing with like fire of a fire escape,

which had me questioning how tall the fire escapes are in New

Orleans, um, but then not nearly that tall. Okay, this. At this

point, he cut a skyscraper down like it is not that tall. I Hi,

I'm Chamar Griffith and I'm Andrew Tejada. We're going

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to this week's installment of Cape or cap, a

Black Nerd superhero podcast. My name is Chamar Griffith,

codename ComicChams, and I am Andrew Tejada, codename Arete.

Andrew and I have known each other since 1996 that was the

gear codename Wolverine, the movie dropped. Harry Gordini,

college professor and ex Navy SEAL becomes caught in a war

between a ruthless drug cartel and the United States government

when a group of international terrorists kidnaps his 10 year

old son. That's what IMDb says. I don't see anybody famous,

respectfully from this movie. I hope everyone's doing well, but

there was no sequel. I don't know. I don't know what happened

after this. They even change it to like cold, name the

Wolverine, or anything like that. No, no, it's just the main

guy was in God's Not Dead. We the People, which I think is the

fourth or fifth one in the series. So great. Well, I do

hope they're all doing well with whatever career paths they

decide to choose. But I guess today we're talking about

someone who decided to continue on his career path. I wish being

playing the Wolverine for what was it like 19 years or so with

forward, a lot like, at least, at least, at least. Okay, yeah.

You know, I think it was about 19 years because I remember X

Men came out in about the year 2000 Logan came out, 2019, and

then, just like Michael Jordan popped out of retirement for

Deadpool and wolperie, you're right, 17 years exactly

straight.

Boom,

look at that. That's why they call me ComicChams

y'all uh, but speaking about Hugh Jackman in the Wolverine,

we're going to talk about his first full feature length film,

where it was just really only him and a bunch of his people

with some excellent references. As we talk about X Men. Origins

Wolverine, the 20th century. Fox film, the fourth film within the

X Men, kind of universe in the bit. This movie had a runtime of

107 minutes. This 2009 PG 13 film. So you already know how

we're leveling this out throughout the rest of this

movie was directed by Gavin Hood, who is the director behind

such productions like Ender's Game and the Prison Break spin

off series, breakout kings. There was a spin off series,

yeah, I think it took place between seasons four and five,

because I thought that was called legends of tomorrow, the

Prison Break spin off. But I, yeah, I sometimes mess up names

alternate universe where flash this a flashpoint match. We got

some writers here today, two writers. Our duo here can

include Skip Woods, who's known for writing swordfish 2000 10s,

the A team, and both Hitman movies, Hitman and it's a

reboot, which I found that was a reboot Hitman 47 don't even

remember it. And then he worked alongside this dude named David

benoff. Benioff, I mean, I'm not even throwing fans, calm down.

Calm down. Calm down. We didn't want this to happen. It's, it's

already in the past. I'm sorry. All right, so now that we kind

of level set here, let's, uh, jump into the cast list as we

got Hugh Jackman returning for his fourth time as the Canadian

uncanny protagonist here, uh, now going by the name jaze

Howlett for a good part of the film. Then becomes Logan, and

then chooses the name Wolverine. Fun fact, his younger

counterpart is played by YouTube star and now two time Grammy

Award nominee Troy Sivan. Oh, wow, wow. Look at I can't

imagine. In this career trajectory, like how this even

came about. Good for you. Next up, Lee Schreiber, great actor

who's always been killing it, especially when you remember

that he was caught and weary in the first three screen movies.

So very, very much knows about the intimidating premise and the

creating a scary situation in films. He is Victor? Actually,

do they even use the last name creed? I don't think so. All

right, I really don't think so. He's just Victor. And we're not

going to say he doesn't go by the code name that we know him

for, but we also know him in comics and across X Men

productions as the character saber tooth. The two of them are

part of a larger team that gets shown throughout the film,

including Ryan Reynolds, who plays his first iteration of

Wade Wilson, aka Deadpool Dominic Monahan, great person

because he introduced us to the joys of second breakfast and

Lord of the Rings. Today. He is Chris Bradley, who, in the

comics, actually goes by the character by the name of bolt. I

believe Kevin Durand. I have to they look very different. But

Kevin Durant, you know him, great actor. You see him on

screen on time. For me, when I see him, I know that he's up to

no good. I remember him mostly in the Swamp Thing limited

series that was on DC Universe as the florotic man. Jason

Woodrow, Oh, okay. I recognize him from the vampire movie from

this year, the ballerina, Abigail. Abigail, oh, Abigail.

Yeah, he's great in Abigail. I really like his work. I I hope

to see more of him. I haven't seen enough of him, yeah? Well,

you'll definitely see a lot of him today, because he plays Fred

Dukes, aka the character known in comics as the blob that was

just he. He's a very big dude. I'm just saying, um, we also got

Daniel Henney, the voice of Tadashi, on Big Hero Six. Uh,

but Daniel Henney is the man with powers that we cannot

explain, Agent Zero, yeah, if anyone knows what his powers

are, please, please let us know in the comments. Will I Am is he

the lead singer of The Black Eyed Peas, or is he just like,

is he like the leader? Or I don't even know what to call

him. Really, the Black Eyed Peas don't exist by any metric. They

don't. They don't. There's no words we can describe the Black

Eyed Peas. I do know this is his debut acting role. And good,

good job, buddy. Yeah, so will I am play this plays the character

John Wraith. We got some other supporting characters, including

Taylor Kitsch, who's playing playing Remy LeBeau, who we know

as Gambit. Remember it, um, Lynn Collins, uh, Andrew, you might

know her as Leah or Leah from The Walking Dead series, yes,

yes. Okay. I was like, Is there anything about her that we

should know? I mean, she plays Kayla silver fox in our movie

today. Well, she's not Native American. Um, no. Um, and she

was not very liked, uh, her character, she was great

performance on Walking Dead. Her character wasn't very liked,

which is kind of ironic given where she ends in this movie.

Oh, man. Alright. So next up we got Tim pacock. Um, he plays a

young Scott Summers here that he does, that certainly does. And

finally, we got Danny Huston playing General William striker.

You'll remember his face in Yellowstone. He played the Nazi

villain in the DCE Youth First Wonder Woman film. But more

importantly, in a very fitting way to start this podcast,

capercap. He was the voice of general Lane in the Justice

League Flashpoint Paradox movie, which was the movie that we

covered to start our podcast journey together. You know, we'd

say we planned it, because we did, boom, Easter egg. Now we

have easter eggs. All right. So with that, let's get ready to

see if the there's enough mutant powers in this movie to make it

a cape movie. And that's the movie we're talking about. Is X

Men, origins, Wolverine. So we start with a sickly little boy

named James being watched over by his very creepy friend,

Victor. And his father comes in very concerned. Apparently, he

just gets sick all the time. Victor remarks, oh, yeah, I used

to get sick like you, but not anymore, because I started

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you'll see why later. But in any case, they're having a sweet

little meeting in James bedroom, and all of a sudden there's a

ruckus downstairs, and it's revealed that Victor's drunk

father is downstairs with the a shotgun and Oh also, the dad

went downstairs to check it out first, and now he's he's no

longer with us. He's dead, yeah, quickest on screen appearance

and death, I think I've ever seen. Um, we're shocked, and so

is James here as he runs down to see his father on the ground.

Um, he's he just his last breath, is just saying his son's

name once again. And while all this is happening, we see

Thomas, who is Victor's father, here, holding James's mother

hostage. And he's just like we need to tell him the truth. We

need to tell him the truth. But James, in the fit of rage, you

start seeing that he starts producing the bone claws known

for comic book fans as like the original form of Wolverine. So

once these come out, he immediately runs towards Thomas.

Slogan, stabbing him, I want to say in the gut, because it was

like a drastic height difference. But this is also

like, you know, you would think you could survive that. But this

is also like 1845 so I feel like, like any, any small cut

during that time was just like immediate death, which it was

for this film here too. Yeah, I mean the diseases, I think it's

the 1800s Yeah, you're not living that. So after committing

a murder, his Logan's, uh, James's, the names are gonna be,

it's gonna get confusing, yes, James's mom says you're a freak,

so he runs outside, and Vic is quick to follow, saying, yo, I

guess, since the man you just killed, that actually turns out

to be your dad, and that's my dad. Crazy. Seems like we're

half brothers. You want to, like, run away together and do

some violence, and James is for it. And the two run into the

greatest opening of any superhero movie, no cap of all

time. This is the greatest opening right here.

Yeah, because we get a chance to see them all grown up now. They

are fighting in different wars. We saw first with the American

Civil War. Because, again, this was 1845 so just few years

later, you know, there was a quote, unquote battle for state

rights. So we see them taking hits and actually getting a

shot. And it doesn't seem like they're slowing down in any way,

shape or form. So it's showing that, you know, from what we've

known from the previous X Men movies, that they both have this

kind of either invulnerability or regenerative healing factor.

We immediately jump into World War One, and then we also jump

into World War Two, which I think was the the storming of

Normandy, which is so this is a very historical and educational

film already, and then we pop over to the future, where we're

in Vietnam. It's the Vietnam War, and we're seeing little by

little during this time that James is seeing how Victor is

becoming more and more aggressive, especially while in

the Vietnam War, where James decides to take someone as like

hostage for winning that battle that day. And it's unsure what

he plans to do, but it does seem like it was not okay by anybody

there, none of his Um, none of his friends, none of his um army

mates decide said that this was something to be done. So as they

try to stop him, he starts pushing everybody and attacking

everybody. James tries to jump in to try to help quell the

whole situation, but Victor's too far gone. He's just like

getting angrier, and at one point he even kills their

superior officer, which then leads to the reveal that they're

not like us. They're not human at all. I tried. Yeah, there are

no not saying they're, I mean, Victor, he might be doing some

Drake stuff, but no, they're just mutants. Yeah, they do get

shot by a firing line, but they don't die. So their supervisors

throw them in jail, until Colonel striker appears and

says, basically, Yucca right here in jail, or you could join

my team. It's kind of like a kind of Suicide Squad or

something. Okay, wrong universe, but he does want to put together

a team black. Ops team. They literally have no other options,

so they go on with it. And at this point, if you haven't

watched this movie in a while, you might think, Okay, what's

these things are? Are flowing really? Well, good montage. The

opening was quick but effective. What? What? What is, could be

any issue with this? Well, we jump into the a mission where

they're on an airplane. Deadpool is quipping. We see Agent Zero,

other people who are less important in the plane, and the

way they talk in the scene, it's active. They've done missions

before, or at least one or two missions prior to this. So now

you're wondering how much time has passed since that

conversation in Vietnam. Are we still in the 60s? Guess what?

They're not going to answer that for you. We have no idea. And

there are a lot of these time skips in the movie that there's

nothing wrong with having a lot of time skips, but you have to

be clear about where, because now you know Deadpool talking

about how much he loves his sword and whipping it out his ex

girlfriend's wedding is all well and dandy, but we have no like

at one point, Wolverine turns to Fred Dukes and goes, Oh, you got

another tattoo. You can't walk in every town and say you love a

woman. It's like what, this has never happened for us before on

a good scene. I don't know. I was really disoriented by that

on the plane. I needed some level setting, because we had

already, like, we already had that great montage where we are

jumping through time. So you know, there it's when we're

watching it. We just have an understanding of what time

period it is, because just general American history has

tells us, like when the Vietnam War was, when was World War Two

and civil war, all that stuff. But once you establish that,

like they've been on missions together to the point where they

can joke with one another, even with Will i am telling will

James to be nice, even though that might be difficult for you,

because I've seen what you do in the past like that, kind of like

that kind of dialog is something where it's just like, I can make

that joke with a friend that I've known for a year. Has it

been a year? Has it been six months? What's, what's, what's

the time period? And we, as you mentioned, we don't get that

answer at all, because we immediately jump into the

mission. We do get some cool scenes where Bradley, he's,

well, I'm very, I was very confused about Star, because I

thought he was a techno path. Apparently, that's not the case.

But he, in this movie, he portrays as a techno path, as he

is the more point, like guiding and flying the plane around for

everybody, while he's also in the back, just like laughing,

having a good time with everyone. And I'm just like, I'm

gonna need you to be a little bit more focused, probably only,

like, two people on this plane already more gold. Also, like,

did you? Did they not why? Why couldn't they get a pilot? There

was no, it was never established why they couldn't just have a

pilot for this mission, like a regular guy, anyone could have

just flown the plane in general, like they were literally striker

was not doing anything at all he could. Does he not know how to

fly a plane? He just knows how to assemble teams, if, like, if

it was a stealth mission. I still don't know if his powers

can hide a plane. I don't think they can heal me for the plane

to have stealth technology, right? And this, yeah, so for

some reason, um, though he is useful on the team, I will admit

in the upcoming sequence I like to call who is your powers and

what do they do? Because they go to an armed compound of some

kind, and Agent Zero, they the striker, says, Agent Zero, do

your thing. And he just shoots real good, flips in the air and

shoots good a lot. And those are his powers. I get, I don't is?

What is it? Telekinesis? Is it? I'm just 90% sure he's like,

there's that meme where it's just like what it looks like in

demon slayer for all the form breathing is just take away the

visuals and the animation. And that's Agent Zero. They did not

have a budget for demon slayer like animation in this film, so

they were just like Agent Zero. Just jump around, obviously, at

an impulse, but they probably forgot, yeah, to be clear, he

jumps like 100,000 feet in the air, right? Yeah, easily, and

kills about like 50,000 police, security people outside of this

mansion, which prompted the question, why did they bring

anybody else, especially the blob? Well, the future blob, but

now Fred Dukes, he punches a tank and is able to stop a shell

from. Coming out and blow up the tank, which prompts my question,

what are his powers? Tank? Just like punching tank, he's got

tank abilities, that is it. And finally, to conclude the

sequence of what are your powers, they get to the top

floor, which thankfully, Bradley is able to turn on a turned off

elevator. Good. Good job guy. And there's a couple final

people to before they get to the final boss of this encounter. So

Wade Wilson goes out and moves his swords real fast, fast

enough to parry bullets and slice, yes, yes, slice him in

half. What are his powers, though? What is it? He has my

back powers? He is literally the MC news answer to Katana. Oh,

I'm sorry, 20th Century Fox's answer to Katana. So, yeah. So

overall, as as introductions to mutant, to teams of superpower,

people go pretty, pretty unclear for three of them, why they're

on the squad at all. Yeah. I mean, shout outs to my boy,

Raith, because will i am big scene here? He one, one. I think

he probably only had like, two scenes, but for me, yeah, where

he does stop the person who is at the head the other side of

this, wherever McMansion they're at, and they're this entire

exchange striker walks up. He's like, All right, give us the

thing. And he's just like, clearly, this is in these are

just like, they're mining diamonds. And he's just like,

just take all the diamonds that you want. Because he's thinking

it's a general robbery. But then striker goes and pulls for what

the guy at the table says is the least inexpensive thing on his

table, which is just some random rock he's asking, Where did you

get it from? The guy says, I don't know, but through some

torture and coercion, he does share that he got it from this

little, small village that gave it to him as a gift, I guess,

for work from mining, diamond mining, I guess which they

decide to go check in and end up holding the entire little

village hostage. So

the the leader of the village, uh, in a scene that kind of

reminded me of, like that scene of Dragon Ball, where they're

like, where are the Dragon Balls? They're sacred. You can't

have them. So they started killing everybody. Same thing.

Here they say the the rock or metal they found was sacred.

It's some kind of Meteor, sure, Meteor called and mantium. I I'm

sure that's, I thought that was the origin for Vibranium being a

medium. But recently, they kind of explained now that Adamantium

is just a poor version of the real thing that I think does

come from space. Thank you for thank you for fixing the the

continuity and X Men, world origins, Wolverine guys, we

gotta do something. But, upon not giving them, they give the

orders to start killing everyone. Logan, still with

still James. James prevents Victor from killing one person,

literally just one person, because Deadpool goes and kills

like 50 people off screen and James is like, look, I'm done

with this. I'm done with the killing. I'm walking away. And

they're like, you can't, which I thought he couldn't, because of

the whole, you know, legal thing with Vietnam. But then again,

how long has it been since Vietnam? We're not sure. In any

case, James is like, all right, I'm out. And he walks right up

to Canada and starts a career as a lumberjack. So six years have

passed, James is no longer James. He is going by his

biological father's surname, Logan. He's living in Canada

with his now girlfriend, a woman by, I think they just call her

silver fox. Kayla Kayla Kayla Kayla right to justify the fact

that she is not actually Native American, right? So he's living

with his girlfriend. Kayla. Meanwhile, while all this is

happening, we hop on over to what looks like a kind of, I

guess, like Middle America carnival setting, where this

couple are just having some fun playing some games. They come

across Bradley, who is operating a game where it's just like, you

have to turn off a light bulb that he is holding, which I'm

like. If you can control electricity, if you can, at

least, at the very minimum, if you have the power to turn

things on and off with your mind, I do not think this is the

only use of your power for money. I think there are a lot

of other you could call like you could hold billionaire parties

for ransom. That's what I would do. I would like, find where

Elon Musk lives, and say, Yo, your electricity is not coming

on tonight. They're like, Who is this? Don't worry about it. Your

electricity is not coming on. Or one of his servers. Like, I'll

shut down your entire Tesla servers for a day unless you

give me a one time ransom. Do not come looking for me.

Otherwise they will never turn on again. Like, I would do

something like that one one time. Score Elon, we're friends,

though, you know, we're good. If you want to send me a cyber

truck or something, that's fine, just hypotheticals, but, yeah, I

don't understand. They had to have been another use for his

powers. So while he's there, the couple loses the game, they get

very frustrated, and even make it seem as if like people are

now trying or understanding that there are people out there that

not like them. So as Bradley decides to retire for the night,

he said in his he's in his truck, he's just trying to get

some sleep. Kick back, and then he has a knock on the door. He's

thinking of somebody coming for demanding the refund, but it's

actually Victor, who walks in very menacingly. And it's just

like, hey, man, it's been a while not gonna invite me in for

a couple of something. And Bradley invites him in, which

prompts Victor to be like, Hey, um, Wade's dead, looking for

someone, figured you can help me. And Bradley states, I'm not

afraid to die because I'm not afraid of you. I'm good. And

this was the creepiest, though very well delivered line I've

ever heard, where Victor is just like, How can you say you're not

afraid of dying if you've never tried it yet? I'm scared it's

cold. Leave Shriver again. Like there are some flaws in this

movie that we will discuss, but overall, most, I want to say

most. Most of the performances are good. And leeber really

command Saber Tooth really gives it that menace, that that

enjoyment of the carnage and the violence without going to ham,

without beads to cartoony, it's great. But while he's murdering

Bradley, Wolverine is murdering sheets, and not in a fun way, he

has a nightmare and slices his sheets in his sleep. And Kayla

goes, you know, what were we dream about? Were you dream

about the war again? He's like, Yeah, which war? All of them.

And I know it's supposed to be a cold live, but Nah, man, I think

you would scream about like a specific war, not like a

montage. It was. He was dreaming the opening sequence. I'm pretty

sure that's what they were using. So the next day, he's

going around making 19 grand for lumberjacking, and striker shows

up and says, Hey, James Logan, whatever your name is, where

someone's going around. And guess what, they're killing

mutants like Bradley. And the thing about this is we already

know. We already know who it is. So for us as an audience, this

scene is not fun, because we there's no mystery, even if you

go back and even if they had cut out the scene between Bradley or

didn't have saber tooth in that scene, as an audience, what we

have seen is they did some crazy black ops stuff six years ago,

and now someone's coming to kill them. But there were no

recognizable characters in that scene that could have done it.

There wasn't like a kid looking at the back with a scar and an

intense look. There wasn't like storm in the corner. There

wasn't like apocalypse. And so there's no we. This means

nothing to us, because there's nobody we know who could have

done it. This reveal to Logan is absolutely absurd. Yeah, I

agree, because it's like, you know, the immediate thing to be

is to go like, you know, we know what the thing was, but it'd be

like someone is working for someone else in a different

sense. All that really just happens here is just like

striker has this line. And the most entertaining thing about it

is probably the very small pissing contest between Logan

and Agent Zero, where Agent Zero shoots Logan's cigar in the

middle of the. Crowd, and no one reacts. No one is like, no one's

up in arms. No one's like, hit the deck, nothing. And he's he's

talking in front of other people, and they see him get

shot, and they're not like, Yo, either this guy's a good shot or

Logan is very lucky, yeah. So after the the random shooting in

lumberjack town, which apparently happens all the time,

there's a brief scene where some guys decide to have a

conversation in the middle of the damn road and block the

whole road. So Logan wants to go and tear them up, but Kayla

steps in, puts a hand on each of the men and goes, Hey, you calm

down. Shoulders, guys, shoulders. It's a PG 13 movie.

So she tells them to calm down. They do. Then she goes on that

night to tell an extremely long story about like a Wolverine

howling at the moon. I There's no point in repeating the story.

That's where he gets his name from. We're moving on. The very

next day, Logan is doing his lumberjack thing. Kayla's

driving, and Logan catches a sniff of an old bro. His old

bro, Victor is in town, and he's not here to bake him a cake and

say hello so Victor, we see, starts making his way, walking

over to Kayla in the scene, Kayla is in her car as she

watches Victor basically scratch it up with his bare hands. When

Logan runs over and find Kayla's car, he sees that the door has

been ripped off. And as he's looking around, he sees a body

on the ground. I mean, he runs towards it, he sees Kayla on the

floor bloody, and can't feel a pulse. So he's immediately knows

that Victor has killed the one person that he's loved this

entire time. You know, he really tried to make a way make a new

life for himself. He's very upset that Victor would do such

a thing. So Victor is in the bar now pretty close by. He's

basically using his claws to, like, draw a little smiley face

on the table, and the guide the bartender walks up is like, Yo

my man, you not from around here? Are you? Huh? Wait,

we can't glance over the fact that this bar is a barn with one

long wooden table, and seemingly five people go to this place to

drink. And they do all the lumberjacks, right? They make a

whole point that this place doesn't have insurance. Is I, we

can, if they're Canadians, in the podcast Pete, tell me if I

I've been to Montreal. But outside of Montreal, are there?

Is this? How the bars are they just in whatever bar do you find

no insurance? Just hate you're sitting on hay bales. In any

case, overing shows up, and they still, he still insisted that,

you know, you're going to need insurance for this. They just

break the barn door, which is kind of disappointing, like,

they don't mess up the bar, literally, they just, like, mess

up the door, which I get, it's going to be a nightmare to

replace, but that's it. There's no other damage, though, because

there's, it's a lumberjack town like I'm not even saying sure

somebody's got a spare door. They probably need it if it's

built that shadowy. But they have a fight, and ultimately,

which this is, this is a hilarious fight, because they

are pretty well matched, but Victor really gets ahead once he

dumps a bunch of logs on Wolverine, throws him in front

of a truck, and then breaks Wolverine's bone claws off this

one set of them. This is all funny, because later on, they

keep saying you can't. You could never be Victor as you are with

your regular powers. But Victor was just spamming environmental

moves like he didn't beat him in a straight up fight. He just

used his environment slightly better. That's everything else

in the movie happens because of this. Like you No, just go for a

round two man. I'm pretty sure you'll get him next time fight

him on like a deserted plane, fight him in the desert. Yeah,

I'm pretty sure you'll be fine. So now that this entire fight

has happened and Wolverine has lost, oh, sorry, Logan has lost,

here he decides to this is never again. People put three

different names for your titular character. It is too much you

can do. We can do just random, one off names, but when you have

three, this is a lot. So now. All that Logan has lost, he

decides to take striker up on this offer. The whole thing is

that he's going to be taken somewhere to be given something

that will give him an edge over Victor, so that he could finally

get the vengeance for the death of Kayla. And that thing is, as

striker will then explain, is that during the time when, then,

when, after Wolverine had, after Logan had left, they found more

of that media right this adamantium, so they found ways

to incorporate it into a person's body. However, the

thing that isn't told to Logan is that most, if not all of the

people who have been subjected to the adamantium have died. But

Stryker believes that, due to Logan's like basic stubbornness

against death, that he should be able to survive the process, and

that will give him the edge that he needs to take on Victor. And

Logan's just like, bet, I'll do it. What I want, though, is,

once you do this, I want a new set of dog tags. I don't want to

say Logan. I wanted to say James. I wanted to say

Wolverine, as a reference to the story that Kayla had told him,

the last story she told him before she had passed also

probably to avoid all that military draft dodging stuff

that he's doing right now. So he gets into the machine, which is

familiar to anyone who's seen anything, Wolverine X Men and,

uh, apparently this is good. This is a really good thing. The

movie does mention that anesthesia won't work on him, so

he has to stay awake, which I think is really, really nice to

show his pain tolerance. He's getting injected with a million

needles, and it gets flashbacks to everything we saw for the

last 40 minutes, in case y'all forgot, yeah, just in case you

guys have fallen asleep, which, so after he survives the

procedure, striker showing the general, hey, look, he survived

the procedure. Striker is immediately like, okay, cool. It

worked. You want to, like, erase his memory right now,

apparently, a thing he can do, okay. But Wolverine now hears

that wakes up. Zero tries to shoot him with regular bullets,

but it doesn't work, which they should really be aware of. They

just skull with Adamantium. Why do they think normal bullets

were gonna do anything? Agent Zero, you're catching the zero

here. Like this is, this is still dumb with you, bro. This

was so easily unavoidable. What Logan just kills like, three

people naked, which is kind of Yeah, while naked. And it's

really jarring, because in other versions of this story I've

seen, I've recently watched a whole X Men anime series and

stuff, other versions of the story, Wolverine is like being

brainwashed and tortured for months, breaks out of the

facility, kills anyone standing in his way. So you understand

why anyone has to die. But here it's like a guy was just doing

his job. He's like, Hey, Karen, I'm gonna do the lawn

afterwards. I gotta stay late for this metal procedure they're

doing. I don't know what it is. First day on the job, the guy's

just dead for no reason. He didn't do anything to you if I

were covering somebody's shift. Oh my god. Anyway, uh, he runs

out naked into another barn. What is it with this movie in

Barnes? Tell me you man, this the the lumberjack. Oh, you know

what it was the 2000s right around the time when Smallville

was just all barn esthetic. I think it really influenced

that's why we had lumberjack flannel phase during the 2000s

That's right, you cracked the case. Yep. And speaking of

Smallville, we see a young man who enters the home of two

elderly people. We get their names, Travis and Heather

Hudson. They walk into their barn. Travis walks into his barn

with the shotgun. He sees Wolverine in a very much like

Terminator pose, trying to hide from the shotgun, even though

I'm pretty sure he'd be fine if he got hit by one the the old

man, he's just like, Hey, you look like you just had a bad

night, versus you looking up to do bad things. How about I give

you some food and some clothing, but let me just bring it to you,

because I don't want to give the misses a shock. And you know,

granted, it's Hugh Jackman fully naked, like that's a shocking

thing to see. And during this time he he's upstairs, he's in

the bathroom, he's just cleaning up. You. And he decides to take,

take his new Wolverine claws. I'm sighing because this is when

the movie takes a drastic dip in CGI. Well, you know, he just got

the bonded, so the CGI on his new clause isn't quite done. Oh,

okay. Thank you. But if anyone out here has watched the the

Power Rangers, Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, the movie The CGI

of the claws is roughly the CGI level of every sword and Ivan

Ooze monster. It is really bad. It is 90s. 90s bad. And it just

is so jarring, because there is some good CGI later in this

movie and prior to this. So the claws, which are arguably the

most important CGI to get right, they just, they just cut corners

on this one next day, this very kind family couple is like,

here's my son's jacket. He gets his traditional brown jacket.

And he's like, Yo, looks like you were about to do something

bad. And Logan's like, yeah, yeah, I actually am. And the

man's like, well, you know, you always got a choice to do

something bad or not. Maybe that's the theme, maybe of this

movie. I The old man's wife walks in with some tea and

cookies, and she just gets shot. Yo, it is so sudden. It was like

the do what you say. SNL skit, do what you do, what you do,

what you say.

She and her husband are gunned down by Agent Zero, which, in

addition to being jarring, Agent Zero then says, look, the

couple's down. Logan did it if you're going to frame Logan from

murder and his thing, his one thing is claws. That's his

thing. He kills people with his claws. Why the freak? Are you

doing a headshot from 8 million yards like he's not Jason

Bourne, he's a guy with claws. How are you framing him for

this? Congratulation, Agent Zero. You catch another zero

here, and I think he doesn't realize, I think his mistake,

because he immediately grabs a rocket launcher that blows up

the bar. Oh yeah. Why did you even go to the trouble of

killing them? You were gonna blow up the whole bar. I would

have totally accepted that the people didn't make it out of the

live versus, let me see them get down in front of me. What, oh,

my God, just this is too much. Um, and, speaking of too much,

this is when we get the full on. Like, fast and free is special,

of like so many action sequences, because the whole

entire place is exploding as Wolverine grabs onto the

motorcycle, somehow has enough time to grab the motorcycle,

turn the key, drive it out before the building explodes and

the hell and the the motorcycle comes out unscathed, like I will

understand him. I don't understand how his clothes came

out on skate. I don't understand how the motorcycle didn't even

have a scratch. But he's driving around with it. He's heading

straight towards Agent Zero, who also has, like, a helicopter as

backup on his left. And Agent Zero is just like, Ah, he's

coming this way, which precedes Agent Zero just running towards

the helicopter and making what seems like a 30 feet jump and

land safely inside of it. What is this man's powers? I truly, I

truly don't know what this power set is, and in any case, we're

now, there's crashing, it's all a mess of CGI, but the

helicopter is on the ground. It made Michael Bay proud.

Wolverine slices spark to blow up the helicopter walks away

from it all cool, thus ending Agent Zero elsewhere. Stryker

says he found a young mutant that is wearing red glasses and

can't doesn't know what el habla means in Spanish, which, you

know, it's pretty bad. But I also think he's nearsighted

because he has a weird Rose Quartz contact. Since it's in

the back of the class, don't worry about that at all, at all,

because now we're in a completely different scene,

where now Logan has is. Trying to get to striker or a victor. I

don't know what he's trying to do at this moment, but he goes

to his old teleporting friend Will i am, who just happens to

run a gym that Jimmy Dukes. What is his name? Jimmy Fred Dukes is

a dope name, though, but so will I am apparently runs a boxing

arena gym that Dukes trains at, but Dukes ate a lot of food

because he got sad after all the murdering he did the genocides.

So now he's real fat, and that's a joke. He's fat because he

murdered a bunch of people and was sad about it. And now to get

information, Logan's got to go fight him. I so as the two of

them fight, duke says that he will give Logan or Wolverine the

information about where he can find Victor if he beats him in

the fight. And the fight is pretty one sided, because

although Dukes has gained many, many pounds and now is massively

obese, here, he still has all of his abilities, so he still hits

like a tank, and it's enough to send Logan flying. Logan jumps

back into the ring, and this is when he realizes that, because

his body is now laced in adamantium the skeleton, he can

use that to his advantage. As he proceeds to constantly headbutt

Dukes, to the point when Dukes finally falls down to the ground

and to end the fight, he extends out his claws and demands for

Dukes to tell him where he can find Victor, where Duke shares

though it was supposed to be the twist of the movie, one of the

twists of the movie is that this entire time Victor and Stryker

have been working together, they actually are operating and

kidnapping mutants and bringing them to an island to experiment

on their powers. And this is when Wolverine realizes that

he's been duped this entire time. Stryker wanted to have him

get his body laced in the adamantium, possibly in the

hopes of using him in the same way that he did it in the past.

But now he's realizing that it's become so much more worse,

because Victor is now involved with the the mutant kidnappings

that have been happening, which is now an established plot,

scary thing, I guess, like 50 minutes through the film. So we

went from the mutants Logan used to work with are being killed to

mutants are being kidnapped constantly, just out of nowhere.

There's no transition or any hint of this happening prior to

this. And we see Victor capture Cyclops. I I want to, I'm going

to put a pin in this plan, because I later on, we're going

to talk about it. So I'm going to put a pin in this whole

Victor and striker plan right now, what we find out is Victor

and striker. The plan is for striker to be able to capture a

bunch of mutants, isolate their powers and then somehow combine

them. That's that's his major plan. Victor's cool with this.

Apparently, he's like, let's go. Let's definitely do it. Would

you? Would some of the people on the the team's powers been

useful for this collab, and you could have skipped the middleman

had Victor kidnap them instead of kill them. Maybe don't worry

about that, though, because now, because there's only one person

who knows where to find Stryker and Victor, and that's Gambit.

So they go to gambits casino in New Orleans, and will i am?

Wants to go too, because he wants redemption for the killing

he did. I get I guess he killed people. I don't know. They don't

get confusing. It really, yeah, and but don't worry about it,

because his his vine, his spine, gets snapped by Victor. Two

seconds later, I fish. Oh, man. Um, and upon seeing this,

Wolverine goes into a rage. He extends his claws. Um, Victor

looks at him, says, ooh, shiny. Um, though I'm still trying to

figure out how they were shining, because, I mean, it was

bad. CJ, that's besides the point. Um, Gambit tries to join

into the fight, but he gets like, basically elbow to the

face, because he was just like, This is not your time to shine.

So as Victor and Wolverine fight it out, they are basically

causing more damage than they did the last time. It does seem

like Wolverine does have the edge. And striker was right that

this new. Skeleton laced adamantium that he has is enough

to fight and take down Victor. However, as they're coming to

the final blow, Gambit starts running across the rooftops, and

I'm just gonna say this is not how gambits powers work at all.

Like this? Is this? No, basically they treat it as that

he took his staff, and when he slammed it down, it acts like

Mjolnir and creates a Concussive Blast that's enough to separate

these two powerhouses from fighting that is not gambits

powers at all. A lot of it's connected to like energy

transfers into inanimate objects. That's not what was

shown here. It's enough of a thing where it's just like,

Victor is able to escape Wolverine. He's like he really

wanted to just find a way, and he's gets very upset with Gambit

for distracting him from the battle. So he starts fighting

with Gambit. At one point we see a very badly done CGI thing with

like fire of a fire escape, which had me questioning how

tall the fire escapes are in New Orleans, um, but then not nearly

that tall. Okay, this, at this point, he cut a skyscraper down

like it is not that tall, not not on Bourbon Street, which

where they were heavily implying this was taking place Bourbon

Street, the fire escapes are not that tall. They don't have

buildings that tall on Bourbon Street. Like it's absolutely

insane.

Um, but now that Gambit has fallen to the ground after

hanging off a deer life for all the five minutes in this

sequence on this fire escape, the two the side realized that

they do kind of have this common goal, where Gambit the reason

why he needs to be found was because he had originally

escaped from this island, and Wolverine wanted to know how to

get to this island. And Gambit offered to take Wolverine to the

island, if it meant that he never had to worry about looking

over his shoulder because Wolverine was going to go and

kill Victor and Stryker and anybody else on that island,

regardless of if it was their first day or if they're just

covering a shit for somebody. So Okay, now we have stakes, and I

guess, and now we get another reveal out of nowhere. Striker

reveals that his son was a mutant, and his mutant mutant

son eventually drove his wife to die. It's unambiguous how the

death happened, but his wife is dead because of his mutant son.

So I guess his goal is to create a mutant so powerful that it

could kill any other mutant, but also that he can control it. So

just to recap, his solution to a powerful mutant that led to his

wife's death is to create a powerful mutant that could lead

to everybody's death. Cool, good, good thinking striker, and

even better thinking there's a general here, is like, Yo,

actually we, we're going to cut it here. Like, great, great

work. Great work so far. But actually we're going to, we're

going to pull out and strikers like, okay, cool. Cool shoots

the general, just shoot some like, doesn't even blame it on a

mutant. This would be a great time to blame it on a mutant. In

fact,

Agent Zero learned from his boss, I have terrible like about

screaming people as as this guy is bleeding out, um, Wolverine

and Gambit are flying to the island. Gambits playing. He won

the game of poker. Just go with it. And Wolverine and Gambit

have this cute little banter, which is leading to another

major issue with this movie. They love to put Wolverine in

situations where he has, like, cute banter with, like, Will i

am with Gambit, with Kayla. But these are three different

characters. We cannot be expected to be invested in the

beginning. He's not a quippy guy. Wolverine's other kind of

guy. So if you want that dynamic, you have to keep a

character alive for more than 20 minutes so we can, like, get

that. They're like, Gavin's like, Oh, don't, don't die. And

before I kill you, and Wolverine's like that, if I kill

you first, like, you're not friends. But here's where we get

a chance to see another superhero. Well, not quite

landing, because he gets influenced by, I guess maybe his

future time of Captain America, as he decides to jump out this

plane with no parachute. Um. Right? Because they're low

enough and they're going fast enough. Wolverine just basically

skips across the water. Because every time he hits the water, it

just like bounces him up. I was confused about like, what was

the plan like? Is he trying to enter the facility under the

water, or is he trying to walk through, mainly because once he

finally arrives and sees striker putting together his masterpiece

here, wolver is completely dry. Not only that, but Gambit later

shows up. So that's implied, he found somewhere to land the

plane, because Gambit can't do that. So Gambit had to land the

plane somewhere, and Wolverine, it wasn't a rush. There was no

deadline to getting this done. So, yeah, where did Gambit land

the plane eventually? I mean, this place is called Three Mile

Island. I guess somewhere along the three miles, I don't even

know it's a lot, it's it's weird. Um, so when Wolverine

confronts struck striker, and then we pan back over to

Wolverine, and we see that someone is standing behind him,

and this person finally comes into focus, revealing that Kayla

silver fox is actually still alive, she reveals that she has

faked her death because she has been working with Stryker this

entire time due to the fact that Stryker has her sister and she

worked with Victor to fake her death by having him inject her

with something to slow down her heart rate. And then Victor

basically ripped a blood bag and spilt it all over Kayla, which

then made me think, did Wolverine only check for the

pulse and not check for a wounds, for something that

bloody? No, no, he just immediately, because it's

implied he had to bury her, right? Like he didn't just leave

her in the middle of the forest to get eaten by wild animals.

Like, like, yeah, we're missing a scene where he took it to a

coroner or, like, did any follow up? Um, so, yeah. So after this

reveal, he just leaves, and striker doesn't do anything,

which Victor even calls about like you just, you just let him

go. It seems like you earlier, he does say Wolverine was a

cornerstone of my plan, but he just lets him walk out the door

without any, any like, anything. And then it's revealed that

Victor was doing all of this so he could get adamantium

implanted in him, but strikers like, Nah, you wouldn't survive

the procedure. And here it's like, this is where I thought

the movie could have been clever, because I had to read I

read it as he knew that saber tooth is a psychopath, and he

did not want to give him adamantium, because that guy, he

could do whatever he wanted. So he just lied and said, you

couldn't survive the procedure. But I had to, I had to come up

that by myself, I'd be that's not what the movie is implying.

The movie's just implying like, Nah, I could have never given

you what you want. So Kayla's like, look, see, he's a liar.

And Victor's like, well, you know what, I'm kill you anyway.

And Wolverine hears Kayla screams, so he comes back for

round three, yeah, um, he comes through in the most jacked

version of Wolverine that we can see, because he has the claws

extended. He is wearing the tightest of tank tops, as his

muscles are just like stretched out. The two of them rush

towards each other. They start fighting. It's enough, once

again, because Wolverine has this adamantine, as it's kind of

built up in this story, it's enough to give him the edge over

Victor. At one point, even Wolverine learns to use his

environment to his advantage, as he takes Victor and throws him

alongside himself onto what seems to be some like steel

pipes and as Wolverine is about to kill, give the killing blow,

much in a similar fashion as to what happened with their father.

Thomas Logan Victor is saying, Go ahead, do it. And you know

you in these moments, you probably want to root for him,

because it's just like Wolverine. This is the moment.

This is the thing you wanted to do this entire time. Just take

them out. But because this is a 2000 storytelling about brothers

and all that. Obviously, Wolverine decides if he kills

him, then he's no better than Victor, which was then

reinforced unnecessarily by Kayla saying, You're not an

animal. It was just like Ma'am, we know that, but you're also a

terrible person. For lying to this man in the way that you

did. So it's like, is this full circle, right? I do not want to

close this loop with you. Kayla after everything. No, why is she

so invested in saving Victor? Like I don't understand. Um, so

instead, Wolverine decides to just punch Victor in the face

really hard, and let's just assume it knocks him out. And

this is when Wolverine grabs Kayla, and they're like, all

right, it's time to go. I got a friend with a plane, and she's

like, No, because striker still has my sister, plus a whole

bunch of other mutants on this island as they easily, easily

find everybody. And it's just like, cool. Let's, uh, let's cut

them all out so Wolverine runs through cuts every single lock

on all their cages as everybody runs free. Though, I'm pretty

sure it should have taken more time, given the fact that some

of these people were really in intricate prisons. Like, there

was this one guy, I'm assuming was super fast, that was held by

rubber. And how did they break him out? Oh, he didn't. They

actually, okay, it was a number. Got it, yeah, you know, again,

there's no, there's no time limit on any of those, like

there's they're not being chased by anyone. There's no security

there. She's no security in the facility at all, if you notice,

because he runs into zero opposition the entire time,

until you all know it. You all knew it was coming. But Wade

Wilson returns. He has his mouth has been sewn shut. He has sword

claws that extend out of his elbows, which should slice his

arm open every time he uses them, and can teleport as well.

At least his powers are clear, you know, at least his powers

are clear now, and he can, I wonder if he had any of Asian

zeros powers, maybe he can help us. Maybe he also can heal

really fast. So they do. The line that everybody hates Wade

is that you guest striker finally found a way to shut you

up. Boom. So worst Deadpool attacks, meanwhile, at a scene I

completely forgot, while Cyclops is escaping with with Kayla and

the rest of the group, um, Cyclops straight up murders the

other four charity bars that are in this building. What was that

about? Yeah, it's like, add that to your teenage drama. Like,

whoa. And he was like, ready and willing to do he's just like,

Just point me in the direction. It was just like, sir, you're a

human now the weapon. So during this time, Kayla's sister, which

is revealed to be Emma Frost, she turns over Fox and Emma

Frost, okay, yeah, this comic accurate, but I've never really

looked into like, what happened.

So Kayla is, like, telling everybody that we need to move

Emma. She's like, she's blocking the bullets because she has

diamond hard skin. But as we mentioned, Scott is able to just

take out every single one of the oppositions, and as everybody's

ready to make their next stage in their their exit, Kayla says

that, no, I have to stay because I have to help. And this is

like, help do what? But it's clear that she's actually just

saying this because she knows that she can't go any further.

I'm putting the question asterisk on that one, because

during the time when they were being shot at, she did get hit

by something unclear, if it was somebody's like, actual accuracy

during this entire time, or maybe if it was, like a ricochet

from Kayla taking something from when Emma Frost was blocking the

bullets. But this entire time, Wolverine's getting the work.

Y'all like it is, it's like a straight up butt kicking that

Deadpool is just putting on Wolverine. Um, the whole entire

island is taking place on this, like, like a nuclear power plant

or a defunct nuclear power plant. Um, so they're just like,

now, just fighting on top of one of those, like, I never really

know what to call them, but you see them in The Simpsons

whenever Homer goes to work, those like, giant things where,

just, like, where the nuclear energy is coming from. So

they're fighting on that very small side. And as it's about to

seem as if, like, Deadpool and will Deadpool is about to give

the killing blow to Wolverine. This is when Victor miraculously

makes his way up the thing, grabs Wolverine before he falls

into the pit and just says, Hey, I'm the only one that can kill

you. Yeah. And then Deadpool spans spams to the teleport

button to keep up with both of them. Yeah. So it also he fires

his eye lasers that Wolverine can block with his adamantium

for an indefinite amount of time. Which, okay, sure. It just

makes them it just heats them up. Apparently, it's fine. It

doesn't however long, whatever elsewhere, strikers like, I'm

gonna, I got a gun with adamantium bullets, and I'm

gonna shoot him, and he's gonna get amnesia, and I'm how, how do

you know that? I mean, because I maybe that's how guns work in

the 20th century, Fox X, men world, I don't know. I Yeah. And

also, like later in Logan, it is established that guns with

adamantium bullets can kill mutants, and does it. Was this

gun weaker than the gun in in Logan, because that looked like

a regular gun in Logan, in any case, he he's like, I'm gonna go

shoot him till he has amnesia. Uh, Logan kills Deadpool by

decapitating him with the hot claws. It's pretty easy. It's

really not satisfying at all. And as Wolverine falls

approximately to the core of the earth after he jumps off the top

of that nuclear cone, he doesn't get hit by debris because Gambit

shows up and cuts the debris in half. And I'm also like 99%

sure, while roverine would have been fine if he got hit by the

debris anyway. But also that's not how powers work. But it

really doesn't matter, the Wolverine and gammon have a cute

moment before Wolverine decides to run into a hail of bullets

like the opening sequence. Yeah, and this is because he sees

Kayla and decides he's going to try and be with her and try to

help her escape, because he does see that she has been shot. The

thing that does happen, which was our surprise cameo of this

movie, is during their escape, Scott is hearing directions in

his head about how to escape, and it's revealed that the

person giving him these instructions and guiding the

helicopter, which also makes me wonder, was he using his

telekinetic powers to guide this helicopter? His professor calls

him. Okay, that's my main gripe about this movie, because I

don't think anybody called him. I think Charles knew these

mutants were getting kidnapped and just let them rock. Yeah, it

has to, it has to be, because there's never a line that's

like, usually when stuff like this happens, there's a line

like, oh, they were blocking the psychic powers, or they're

behind some kind of shield. But there's never, it's never

established. It seems like they were just chilling in that

facility, and Xavier was just waiting for a big enough

distraction so he could swoop in and be the savior of the day,

right? Because he does. It doesn't seem as if he knows

Scott, like Scott does have like the glasses for for like, as it

seems like he will have gotten them from Xavier, but it's never

established if the two know each other. And in fact, it does seem

as if this is their first meeting. So yeah, um, Charles

Xavier definitely knew these kids were being kidnapped and

tortured and just let them rock. That's the way I see it now,

yep. Um, so yeah, meanwhile, Wolverine runs into the hail of

bullets like, seriously, Stryker is shooting at him in a straight

line. Wolverine runs in a straight line and gets shot

like, if he'd see exact if he waited, like, maybe two minutes

for striker to come out of clover, if he threw a rock, he

wouldn't have gotten shot. But striker ends up shooting him in

the head directly, twice, one at point blank range, which does

not kill him at point blank range, which is very

contradictory to Logan, where Laura gets off a shout from at

least 10 feet and it's blows off parts of the head anyway, he

just gets amnesia. He wakes up, Kayla dies. But before Kayla

dies, she tells striker, Hey, um, touches his leg, and so

striker, hey, walk into your foot bleed, then walk some more,

which is going to take a while. Like, I've walked around a lot

on some days, like out like seven hours and I my feet

weren't bleeding. Maybe I was doing it wrong, but it takes a

while. So also forgot to quickly mention, yeah, Kayla had powers

for Yeah, it's like, so quickly thrown in that kind of forgot

she is TAC to. So psychos, that's not right, Echo hypnosis,

I wrote that down. No, stupid it was. But yeah, she could

basically just influence anyone as soon as she touches them. Um,

so that's why she was able to tell striker to walk until his

feet pleads, which um, feel like that could have been a bigger

plot point, but it wasn't. So we'll just keep on going. Yeah,

because before we wrap this, this movie Up, we're almost

there at the end, thank goodness. So there's a throwaway

line earlier where Victor says, you know, your powers of

persuasion won't work at me, my mind's just built different. So

I do have to wonder, though, because in another scene, she's

able to stop Wolverine from fighting. That's something we

she documented. Can do on paper? Could she have earlier in the

movie, on strikers pay bill at any point, try to persuade

Wolverine to get the the adamantium grafted into his

bones. Did she attempt to do that at any point? Just like at

least try it, because you had to, because otherwise, the two

options of this plan were Kayla try real hard to use your powers

to convince Wolverine to get the metal, or we send Victor to kill

a bunch of mutants. Then tell Wolverine that Victor's killing

a bunch of mutants, but don't tell it that we're working

together. Then let Wolverine get beaten by Victor after he gets

killed, after Kayla gets killed, and we fake her death. And we

have to hope Victor doesn't actually kill Logan. He just

leaves him barely alive, and it gives him enough inspiration to

go get the metal, graft it onto his bones. And then we hope he

can take his DNA and harvest it and then put it in another

person. Why was that easier than the other plan? Ladies and

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villain plan, and the best outcome is this, you have a

mutant that can murder anybody. So here we start coming to the

the end of our film. We get a few after credit scenes. Two

definitely get shown in the movie. There's one other that

I've heard about. The first one is that we see Stryker finally

get stopped by some Army soldiers. They tell him, Hey,

we're calling you in because we have some questions about the

murder of this general, and it's the same general that striker

had killed earlier in the scene. Also, we also see that back in

the debris and all the rubble, we see this like loose hand

moving around trying to bring itself to the other parts of his

body. And we see that Wade now in his Deadpool persona,

just looks at the crowd and says Shush, and showing that he the

the his like the mouth that he has sewn together is finally be

opened up. And it's unsure if he's going to be more like how

he is, how he was previously, or if he's going to be more of

this, like controlled being that doesn't have any knowledge of

who he is, much like how Logan has left this film with amnesia,

really, it seems like the only person who made it out this

film, well, was, was Victor, honestly, yeah. He seems fine.

Actually, yeah. He seems like, though Something happened

between now in X Men, one, yeah. Now that we finished X Men,

origins, Wolverine, we've gone through this movie in detail

about what happened. Does this movie earn its cape, or was this

film straight up cap? This is straight up cap. I mean, wow,

wow, wow. I This is the thing. There are many problems with the

movie. I There's no point in getting to each and every one of

them. Um, but some summaries, we simply don't spend enough time

with any character to care if they live or die. Um, this

movie, I believe, came out after born supremacy. And if you

haven't seen it, sorry, spoilers. But in Born supremacy,

the love interest from the first film of identity. They identity.

They spend a whole movie together. And then in the second

film, she's killed in the first 20 minutes of the movie by uh,

Carl urban. Yeah, you didn't know that was him. What did you

that was Billy butcher and born supremacy. Um, so we are mostly

as an audience, are connected because there we got to know the

character, and even if we didn't get to know the character, we we

had a sense they had a life together. They were out of the

game, you know, the whom they were living this life piece

before it shattered and she's killed. So that hits for us

emotionally, because there was enough focus and weight given to

it. Here we're just thrown a random person and said, Hey,

Wolverine. Really cares. And they really try to build her up

as much as they can in 20 minutes. But the fact of the

matter is that, because we're cutting so much in and out of

scene, so much, we cannot be expected to care when she dies

the first time. And that goes for Will i am character that

goes for Bradley. Everyone in this movie who dies is someone

we've had maybe two meaningful scenes with. Maybe they've been

on screen for a little bit longer than that, but meaningful

moments are few and far between. There's also a theme about this

movie, which I realize now watching it after all this time,

a lot of this movie is, what if Wolverine fought x? That's what

most of this movie is. It's like, how can we get him to

fight blob Gambit and saber tooth in 15 minutes? You just

have him go to places and say, I gotta fight you. I gotta fight

you. I gotta fight you to advance. And that's most of this

movie is just putting Wolverine in just random situations where

he would fight other mutants and to skip, to skip ahead to the rt

alteration there, because there are a lot of movies in this

there's a war movie, there's a revenge, there's a romance,

there's a sci fi intrigue, there's a thriller, but

apocalyptic. There's a lot going on here. To streamline it in a

movie, I think that would be more thematic for Wolverine and

his arc in this entire universe, particularly this trilogy, I

would have it. So this movie, we have to bang and open a montage.

He goes to jail. When striker pulls him out of jail, it's not

to do random missions, going looking for rocks and Blood

Diamond countries. Striker specifically recruits Sabertooth

and Wolverine to kill other mutants. He says, there are

other mutants that are problematic. We're building a

team to stop them, to kill other mutants, and he gets to a

mission and take the adamantium out. It does not matter that

they killed. Look in a better movie. Killing of small village

for adamantium would have really played, but it doesn't really

play a factor, because they could have found the animantium

anywhere else. This doesn't really go with the movie, so cut

that scene. Instead, have them go to a scene where they're

going after another dangerous mutant, and at the end of the

mission, Wolverine's about to kill him, and he realizes this

mutant is not evil. He's not as bad. So he quits because he

doesn't want to be a tool for killing mutants. The team falls

apart because none of them want to be a tool for killing

mutants. And guess what? Victor Creed by himself is not enough.

He gets maybe some scars for even attempting. He gets real.

His face gets messed up, some damage. So then later, striker

comes in and comes up with the plan. What if I had one obedient

super mutant? I wouldn't need a team. I wouldn't need to rely on

these people. And then the movie picks up here, where he uses

Victor to get closer to his goal. He cap Victor captures,

not kills these mutants to make the super mutant, and that way,

thematically, when we get to the end of strikers, end game, it

connects to the beginning of the movie Wolverine, saving the kids

at the end. It means nothing in this original version, because

Wolverine never mistreated mutants. He never helped capture

any mutants. But in this new version, because he directly

killed mutants in the past, him freeing the mutants would have

resonance, and by the end time, He gets a Logan and he's saving

the kids, we're like, Oh, wow. Look, he's come full circle.

He's starting. He stepped out of the world now he's back in to

save mutants. Would it solve all the problems? God, no, no, I

couldn't, will I am. You are a brilliant musician. This wasn't

your role. But I think something to tie this movie together, to

make it to one coherent thing would have been great, but there

I am. Man, you know, I used to love this movie, especially when

basically every single person had a copy of it before the

before all the visual effects were done, because that was the

thing that happened, I remember. But yeah, this was this movie.

Was a cat for me. Yeah, mainly because I like Hugh Jackman. I

love his work. I love what he's done with the character of

Wolverine, definitely has revolutionized the character.

You know, even now, people are like, We need someone who's like

Hugh Jackman, but more along the lines of what Wolverine is true,

truly looks like in the comics. Because, let's be honest, Hugh

Jackman is a six foot something huge jack man and Wolverine is

not that at all. So um. But the thing that I had an issue with

it just, I agree. It just felt like it's just, um, how many

people can we get Wolverine to fight, which is, like, it's cool

to see, but not what I want to see. It was supposed to be a

live action origin story of a character. The other things I

was upset about was, just like, the bad, bad CGI. You know, it

got to a point where it was, like, very unbearable to watch

in certain scenes. This also creates a bunch of continuity

errors. Because the thing I was, yeah, the thing I was most upset

about is that, like, by the end of this film, it shows that,

like, while Wolverine does not know who he is, it should mean

that by X Men, one, even though he doesn't know who he is,

Sabertooth would know who he is, and he has never, ever called

Wolverine Jimmy in that movie at all. I think he also must have

gotten amnesia in between films, because that's the only thing

that explains why they have no no dialog or acknowledgement

together, right? Oh, man. But finally, the theme issue that I

have with this film was that we get the standard CW 2000 drama

of brothers from different sides. And the thing I didn't

like about this film is that what most shows that tried to do

this kind of storytelling, and the immediate shows, I think of

were about two brothers supernatural and The Vampire

Diaries they granted, those are shows. But at a certain point I

have an understanding of why both sides, both brothers, are

right in their thinking, even though they differ in what their

goals are.

I don't get that with Victor. It's immediate that Wolverine is

the favorite individual he's thrown into this brotherhood. We

know that even though he starts off being the killer and then we

just end up liking Wolverine Moore, maybe it's the hair, I

don't know, but at the end of it, it would make sense if we

were given a reason for why Sabertooth or just Victor, is a

preferred individual or something like for us to align

with him in some way, shape or form, there's at no point in

which we do. He's continuously siding with striker. He's

continuously killing he's continuously doing all the bad

things. There's no rhyme or reason to it. He's just doing it

for his own enjoyment. And it's not like I understand. It was

just like he went down this path because he had lost his brother,

the person who, you know, guided him along. But even when

Wolverine was there, he he had already had and developed the

dark side, like, well into the point where Wolverine was just

like, I can't do this anymore, and he just continued on. And

it's not like he was looking for any path to redemption or

anything like that. The only thing was, even at the end of

it, he was just like, the only person that can kill you is me.

So now I'm just like, Why do why do we even care about Victor?

Yeah, being the brothers adds absolutely nothing. We don't

never know what Victor wants, except metal it is. It's just

bad, yeah. So was there anything that could have saved us behind

the scenes about this movie, from what we had to experience

for about 107 minutes here in 2009 No, because this one's a

fairly open and shut case. I was expecting to get a lot of dirt

on this one, because clearly something was not right, but the

explanation is really simple, writer strike. This was made

during a writer strike, and they had to continually rewrite the

movie, which makes that explains everything. I think there

probably was an intent for this movie to be a one unified

vision, but they had to shoot around schedules. They had to,

you know, Hugh Jackman was getting busy. I imagine a lot of

their guest stars and and support. Cast was busy, so they

had to shoot what they had. And I think because they were

getting new pages every day, it seems like no one really knew

what this movie was. There were so many cooks in the kitchen, so

many writers also as two random fun facts, originally, Brian Cox

was going to reprise his role as striker with de aging

technology. No, I don't know why he would even need to do that.

It the year is not important, yeah, because clearly the movie

forgot it, yeah. So that's the thing. And there was an

alternate ending where Wolverine would be drinking in a bar,

saying you're drinking, and forget, nah, I'm drinking and

remember, that's it. Alcohol works, never in the history of

anything. And also, another fun fact, this has nothing to do

with the making of the movie, but I just love this fun fact,

so much New York's own Gilberto Sanchez got a year in jail for

leaking an early copy of Wolverine, origins with

unfinished effects. They tracked him down. They found him, and

that's he got a year he did a year bid for leaking this cap of

a movie. They were not joking with those piracy warnings back

in the day. Now he wouldn't steal a car. I bet, I don't

think he would even steal a glance. Oh, man. But speaking of

glances, it's time to take a look at these comic book stuff

that is connected to this film. So I guess there's a lot, and

I'm gonna do my best to get through it quickly for y'all,

because this one, it takes a lot of history. But first, let's

just quickly level set with Wolverine's comic origins. He

was created by John Romita Sr and Len Wayne. They were under

the direction of Roy Thomas, who requested, this was the specific

request that we need more Canadian superheroes. Yes, there

was a boom in comics around this time, and they were in Canada,

and they were like, we we need to show that they're represented

too. So these two got together and created in one story where

Wolverine first appeared on July 2, 1974 so Wolverine just

celebrated his 50th anniversary of his first appearance with a

picture of on the final panel of Hulk in The Incredible Hulk

number nine, number 180 where he's going off to face off

against the Hulk and the Wendigo. And he looks so good,

he still looks the same. Yep, yep. Thankfully, though they did

change his mask a bit, he didn't really have that those like the

stronger, darker border around his eyes. They just did it

around his where his eyes would have been. So it he literally

looks like a Wolverine versus the two Batman who were facing

each other side by side. So this comment came out in October, on

July 2, 1974 and then it was followed up by his full official

appearance in The Incredible Hulk number 181, where, as I

mentioned, he faced off against the Wendigo on July 30. This is,

while it's not the same story, there's an homage to it that can

actually be seen in the television series agents of

Smash. Is an animated show you can find on Disney, plus right

now, where the Hulk actually faces off against the one to go

in this episode in particular, too, and he is leading a team of

other hulks that includes she, Hulk red, Hulk, a bomb and scar,

yeah. So check that out, because I'm pretty sure Hulk is coming

up soon, um, and so that was his first origin, and then

eventually we will see him join up with the X man and all that.

Um, but this movie produces a very truncated story of the way

Wolverine's origins are in comics. And this isn't just a

story where it's just like, here's one, here's like, a

particular five issue comic for you all, and like when this one

particular year, no Wolverine's origins have been created,

created over the span of decades, there have been many

comics that has given some kind of evidence of what was

happening to Wolverine back in the day to create the person

that we know and love today across X Men media. Uh, the

first one we have, which is actually called Wolverine

origin. It also went under the name origin, or origin, the true

story Wolverine. This is a six issue comic book limited series

published by Marvel that ran from november 2001 to July of

2002 it was written by Bill jemis, Joe casada, Paul Jenkins,

with artwork by Andy Cooper and Richard eseno. And it's more or

less this movie, but better. So in this movie, it starts off

very similar where James Howlett, he's, gets introduced

he becomes from a very rich family in Canada, um, he has a

groundskeeper. He has a friend by the name of rose. The

groundskeeper. Name is Thomas Logan. Thomas has a son named

dog. Well, he's setting yourself up for failure there. Yeah. And

Thomas Logan has always been a cruel individual. That's how it

always played out. So in the story, it's told that Thomas,

um, he actually looks a little bit like an older version of

Logan. So the thought was that dog was actually Logan or James

or Wolverine, but it's shown that Wolverine actually has a

very rich background. He's a part of the like Aristotle

aristocracy that's in Canada at that time. So with time, as

their family grows and he gets older, Thomas Logan is a very

abusive and alcohol abusive person, where, unfortunately,

dog is the receiving end of a lot of that stuff. So dog

decides, because he's going through all this, he's like, I'm

gonna do the same thing too. And Logan, or James, has a friend

named Rose, who dog believes likes him, and he tries and

attempts to assault her. Unfortunately, that happened.

Rose was able to get out and defeat him, move him out the way

from anything further happening. And in doing so, dog ends up

killing Logan's dog or James's dog. This is exactly, this is no

joke, the origin story of the first Joe. Joe's like, Yeah,

almost like B for me. So because that happened, and James

Wolverine, he saw it happen, they decided that, like they

knew that their family upbringing was not right. So at

one point,

Thomas and dog, they were told they have to leave the manor by

Wolverine's father, and this is when Thomas decides I'm going to

return back and rob the Howlett estate. And he's also at that

point, he gets cornered by Elizabeth, Wolverine's mom, and

he's telling her that she should leave with him. And it's implied

in that moment that he had an affair with her, and that it's

possible that the child that they lost, that Elizabeth lost

previously, before James was born, might have been his as

well as James himself. So this is where we see in our movie

that the Logan family is the one so dog in this world, as well as

James are supposed to be half brothers. Okay, okay, that that

part makes sense. Yeah, John, he hears this commotion, so he runs

out to see what's going on. Unfortunately, Thomas Logan

kills John with the shotgun that he has and dog rose and James

all see this happen, along with um Elizabeth Hallett. In the

horror of all this, James decides, just like in our movie,

to kill Thomas. And then, once again, this implied that, um, he

is, that James is actually Thomas's son. Elizabeth sees the

bone clause, and it's just like, What are you? And because of

everything that happened, she decides to take her own life.

James, shocked about what happened, is so like he can't

figure out what to do, so rose jumps in and grabs him, and they

start to run away together. But during that time, dog decides to

stay behind and uses this as an opportunity to blame James and

rose for the death of every single person in the room so

that he can just take over. Well, they're better at framing

than Agent Zero, yes. So then time passes, rose and James

decide to make a new life for themselves. Fun fact, Rose is

drawn to look a little bit like Jean Gray, so that explains some

of the feelings that we saw. Yeah, yeah. So rose decides that

they're going to have to go under new names. So they decide

to go under the Logan name. And Logan will then get the name

Wolverine because of the people that he worked with. They joked

around with the fact that he loved to dig so much like a

Wolverine. All right, guys, I see there are different animals.

The Mole doesn't work as well, but come on. Yeah, it was kind

of, it's kind of right. So this was all a story that was told.

It was, as I mentioned, this limited series was told, um,

after another story where Logan had, or Wolverine has own series

called The Wolf, called Wolverine, and which, in this

particular story, called hunted where it was introduced that dog

came back into their lives and has now been trying to mess

around with Wolverine. And upon finding out all about this, this

is when we get the this is this 2001 story provided a more

definitive story of who Wolverine is, how he came to be.

The thing about the amnesia is not connected to adamantium

bullets in this particular story, it actually is connected

to all the trauma that he experienced every single time

that he has a moment of trauma, it creates a mental block for

him where he just, like, blacks out and he had enough of them

that it just erased his memories.

Okay, well,

that as you do. And then the other part of this

movie that comes up is the Weapon X program. So this is not

done well in this movie whatsoever, mainly because of

what we've seen across the X Men animated series. There's also a

Hulk versus Wolverine um movie, animated movie as well. In this

particular those have better depictions, to me, of what

Weapon X really operated like this. One in particular is just

um Wolverine kind of telling the story about what happened to him

during the Weapon X program. And this story was featured in

Marvel Comics Presents The Wolverine or Weapon X issues

number 72 through 84 that ran for about almost a year, from

March to september of 1991 it was written by Barry Winsor

Smith. And in this, we see the whole process of when Wolverine

got the bone, got his bone claws laced with adamantian. This was

more the definitive story of, like, what happened to him. He

unsure if he chose to do this, or he just he chose to have the

his body laced with adamantine, or if it was just like they

grabbed him and decided to create him as his project. But

the biggest thing about it, as we mentioned, is the thing where

he ended up not being in control of who he was or what he was

doing for a very long time because of this weapon X

programming. And yeah, those are the two main stories that was

trying to put in here. It would have been crazy if they tried to

do some more, like there's, at one point, another part of

Wolverine's origins, of him working alongside Captain

America, because no two of them fought together on World War

Two, but Weapon X and this Wolverine Origins movie is the

main thing. Fun facts I learned about Wolverine's origins. Also,

while it's been debunked and was not planned, actually, it was

believed that there was an original idea to create a story

of Wolverine where he actually wasn't a mutant, but rather a

Wolverine that was turned into a human by the what's his name,

the high evolutionary Absolutely not, yeah, thankfully, that was

me that was told that was not true by um, by Len, the creator

of Wolverine. But one idea that they were thinking about,

apparently, was that Wolverine would have been an individual

who was involved in the car crash, and he would have had the

adamantium added into his body, bone by bone, and the claws was

just added in for fun, turning him into this thing. So the way

that could have worked into place was that, um, because

Captain America, when they were working together, he had no

concept of mutants. He would have just assumed that Wolverine

was just either a really lucky guy, because he was surviving

all of these firefights and that the boat, that the metal claws

were actually some part of his suit, that he just didn't

understand how it worked. Not a lot of A plus scholars around

here, huh? Yeah, I'm I'm Hope. I'm glad that we probably talked

to some scientists about genetics, and there was great

mutants, all right. So with that, that's going to wrap up

our episode today. Uh, join us next time as we are continuing

this not quite Deadpool and Wolverine adventure. I'm calling

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