As a business owner or expert, you know you should be on LinkedIn, but the platform can feel like a chore. You want to look like an authority, but you don't have time to be online all day, and the endless scroll of the news feed can be draining. 

How do you show up in a way that feels authentic, attracts the right people, and respects your time?

In this episode, I speak with Judi Fox about how to have fun and get results on LinkedIn. We explore how to navigate the platform with intention, so it works for you, not the other way around.

Here are some of the key areas we cover:

✳️ How to solve the puzzle of looking like a busy, in-demand leader while still being approachable to new clients.

✳️ Why being different, even a bit quirky, is your greatest asset in attracting the right opportunities and filtering out the wrong ones.

✳️ A healthy and effective way to use AI to support your content, using it as a tool for leverage rather than a shortcut that feels robotic.

Ready to take action? Here are three things Judi suggests you can do right now:

🦊 Build your own custom news feed. Instead of scrolling aimlessly, pick 10-20 peers, mentors, or ideal clients and intentionally engage with their content. This focuses your energy and tells the algorithm who you want to see and be seen by.

🦊 Do the opposite of AI. In a world of automation, lean into human connection. Pick up the phone, write a personal note, or schedule an in-person meeting. These simple acts are powerful and will make you stand out.

🦊 Create a 'wish list'. If setting rigid goals feels too high-pressure, try creating a wish list instead. It’s a gentler, more creative way to connect with what you want to invite into your life and business.

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Welcome to Building your Leader Brand. Today on the show, Bob is speaking with Judy Fox.

I have a stage joke now that I say in my talks where I'm like, I did have only time to save three things. And one of the three things I saved, and I happened to go to a networking event that morning, I saved my dog because my dog was in my house. I saved my computer and I saved my fox ears. So these are one of a kind, purchased on Etsy from a great creator in Australia. And I was like, I want these. These are unique, and she custom made them. So I am not losing my fox ears in a house fire.

Hi there, and welcome back to Building Your Leader Brand. My name is Bob Gentle, and every week I speak with incredible people who share their secrets to building, marketing, and monetizing their expertise, intentionally growing a unique personal brand and the mindset you need for your business to grow and thrive. You can download the Personal Brand business roadmap, 50 pages of everything you need to start, scale, or fix your expert business. Just visit the link in the show notes or visit amplifime. Agency/roadmap. And if you're new, take a breath, take a moment, and hit the subscribe button or the follow button for the Apple podcast people. It really does help me a lot and makes sure you won't miss a thing. So today, We're going to have a bit of fun with LinkedIn. It's not two words you really hear together very often, but Judy Fox never lets me down with a bit of fun on LinkedIn. Judy, welcome to the show.

Excited to be here, ready to have fun and talk about LinkedIn all at the same time.

We've had a rather prolonged conversation before we started recording, longer than I often do. Now, there's so many questions that I was resisting asking you previously because it would have ruined the conversation, the flow. I'm glad we actually hit record now. For the listener who's meeting you for the first time, who is Judy Fox? And explain the ears, if you're watching.

My last name is Fox, hence the fox ears and the fox in the woods scenery behind me, for anyone listening in. The leaning into my last name was a journey. I will say my career starts as a chemical engineer. I point that out because I have a very engineering mindset that you'll hear throughout this conversation. I'm going to reverse engineer things. I'm going to break things down in that engineering mindset. It's drilled into me after being in the engineering space and project management space for over 20 years. Getting started on LinkedIn really goes back to losing my job in the 2008 crisis. My job got eliminated, and I found myself navigating, what do you do when you need to figure out the next income, the next phase of your career? And that made me realise I love networking, love being on LinkedIn. I started my own engineering consulting business on LinkedIn. So leveraging that platform, understanding that platform, naturally turned into companies starting to ask me, wait, how are What are you doing? What you're doing as a small business? Can you come and help our small business? Can you do a workshop? Can you start doing consulting with us?

And so that's how I got started. I started primarily my first several clients were all engineering, small engineering consulting firms, around 100 employees or so.

What do your clients look like now? How does your mix actually shake out?

I would say I tend to I work in the creator economy adjacent. I've worked with people who have large YouTube accounts. I have podcast-focused clients who are working on sponsorship I think I see a lot of sponsorships, people who run events, and they want to sell tickets and get sponsors. I would say still small businesses, but not necessarily engineering firms. I still, every once in a while, will have an engineering engineering client come through. I know what they're talking about. I've had some venture capital clients that come through that make a lot of sense for LinkedIn, especially because getting a seat at the table, it involves showing up on LinkedIn as that thought leader that people talk about wanting to look like. And then I show them, well, what does that actually look like? How do you position yourself as somebody who wants to open up the door to conversations, but you also don't want to desperate for conversations. You don't want to look like you have so much time on your hands. You can just dilly dally on LinkedIn. That's actually opposite of what a lot of accounts should be doing. So a lot of LinkedIn experts will say, Here's how to look, but they're coming from a LinkedIn expert perspective.

Whereas if you're running an engineering company, if you're a head of a venture capital fund, you may need to look like you don't have that much free time to just be hanging out on LinkedIn, whereas a LinkedIn expert may have time because that's her full-time job.

How do we resolve that paradox? Because I think it's a really interesting one. You want to look confident and busy and secure and authoritative and frankly inaccessible and lofty, if I'm being blunt. But at the same time, we want We want people to come through the door. We want people to approach us. We want people to feel like there's a clear line of communication and that we are available to them and not too Gucci, if I can find a way of expressing that. How do you resolve that particular apparent paradox?

I would say there's top three ways to resolve that is, one, you want to not create a posting posting schedule that makes you... A lot of people will focus on you need to have a consistent posting schedule. I actually tell thought leaders to not have a rigid schedule. What that means is you're able to look more like, I'm sharing this from a place of, wow, I really need to tell you about this. It doesn't mean you can't schedule in advance, but you may just need to not pick Tuesday 9: 00 AM and just act like that's the only time you're going to post for the foreseeable future. There's power in moving when you post around from that thought leadership perspective to look like, Hey, I do want to say what I want to say. It doesn't always have to come out at the exact same time. There's a case for having, if you have two posts you want to put out a week, one that could be a regular schedule, especially if it's a newsletter, I definitely want to encourage that consistency to show show up for that, versus if you need to make a post that makes you look like I have something that I need to share that's relevant and timely for the platform, that you don't need to look like you always schedule at same time, same place.

So hopefully those two concepts resonate, because I think there's a time and a place for resource language, maybe more research, maybe something that's deeper from a thought leader, versus, Hey, I want to join this relevant conversation and look like I have something that is valuable to say in the date and the time that you say it. Those two things. The second thing, and if you want to jump in, you're more than welcome. Go ahead. Okay. The second thing is I tell people, make a list of your top, especially thought leaders who are busy, have limited time, list out your top 10, either peers, people you already know, if you are who you spend your time with. So if you're You're saying to me, I want to look like I belong on LinkedIn. Well, LinkedIn is a part of a back and forth. Us watching you have a back and forth conversation will warm us up to you and your thought leadership. However, you are in charge of where you put those likes and comments. Acting like the news feed owns that, the news feed should have nothing to do with your likes and comments. A lot of people think, Oh, I'll get on LinkedIn, I'll the news feed.

Why does the news feed suck? Well, then why are you scrolling the news feed? You should never scroll the news feed if you're a thought leader. You should be dialled in to your top 10 people that you consider to be either peers you would speak on stage with, a podcast host you would be willing to speak with and talk with, future opportunities you want to be on the radar for. So maybe that's a future interviewer that you want to get access to, journalists, like I said, peers that you want to be seen as a peer with, and maybe a stretch goal. Maybe there's some people that you want to get in certain rooms in certain circles will then start showing up on the periphery of those rooms And it should not be more than, I would say, anywhere from 10 to 20. If you're chasing different accounts and showing up all over the place, you look confused. You look like you don't know where your likes and comments belong. Whereas if you already make a list of your 10 to 20 accounts that you're going to consistently show up for as a leader, you look like you don't have a lot of time to hang out with everybody.

You're very concentrated. You've made a decision that we can tell that you've made without you having to tell us you made it.

As you were speaking, I was trying to work out what was the question that led to this awesome advice? I can't even remember.

It was, how does a leader leader, show up on LinkedIn in a way that positions them as a thought leader without having to be online all the time?

Yes, that's what it was.

And then my final piece of the puzzle is to have a way to handle direct messages, because direct messages can still be extremely powerful, and you're throwing away the direct messages. Again, I love the term radical ownership. That's your inbox. As a leader, you should be radically owning it. So either that means you turn on the feature on LinkedIn called the away message, if you've heard of that tool. That allows you as the leader to tell people your boundaries. You can say things like, The best way to get a hold of me is to go to our website and click the Contact Us form. The best way to get access to our next upcoming projects. You get to Pitch yourself. They're coming in to pitch you. And as a leader, if you have a book, if you have a podcast, if you have something you're trying to push out to the world, push back. Just say, Thank you so much for your message. I really appreciate it. My team will review view. And in the meantime, here's three things. Because we understand as a leader, you should actually be in a place where if your team is saying, Hey, this is a great one-on-one person you need to actually talk to, they know to elevate that.

And it's not really going to hurt any relationships, especially if it's written in a professional way, it's written with kindness, and it's written with intention of saying, Hey, I got your message, and we're going to review to see which ask this is basically saying is this. Then on the back-end, you have a decision tree. You tell us, Okay, your team knows. Message comes in. This is a personal connexion to you that is in your top 20, well then, yes, that gets routed for you to handle and directly something for you to deal with. Now, these other ones, this is a potential client. They go into the client funnel. Where do they start? What's your starting point? Maybe that's a one-on-one call with somebody on your team.

I'm going to recap those three. I think the first one was use your schedule to make yourself look a little bit busy and maybe a little bit more dynamic in the way that you're creating content. So it doesn't look like you're just sitting there creating content all the time.

Correct.

The second one was don't be a consumer, be a creator. But if you're going to consume, be very intentional about consuming your peers. One of the things I noticed on your website was something I thought was very cool, which was creating your own custom news feed, which I thought, that's proper voodoo stuff. One One of the things that I hear people talking about again and again is you need to be engaging. But that is very weak advice. It's very vague. What you described there is be very intentional and specific about who you engage with so you can train the algorithm, this is my people, so that the algorithm knows, okay, if he hangs out with people like that, then I need to show my content to people who hang out with people like Again, that's really good algorithm training, which answers a lot of questions for me personally, which is why you're here. But yeah, if you're just scrolling the news feed and wondering, why does this news feed make me feel bad all the time? Don't do that. And then the away message, I was on the receiving end of that recently, and I thought, That's so clever.

You think, How many times do you get DMed? Which for me, it's quite a lot, but for you, it must be all the time. The more you build your profile, the more the net effect of that is people want in your inbox. If you can use the uno switch card, that's really quite powerful.

I love that. I'm going to mention an account. Her name is Madelyne Mann, and she is somebody that I will every once in a while check out her away message. I'll shoot her something saying, checking your away message. And she loves it. I love it. But obviously, I'm giving her a shout out because I thought her creativity for how she leveraged that was very... She wrote things like, My inbox is a jungle. I would love to see your message. Here's the best way. Here's your next step to make sure that your message gets seen. Because it's honouring the fact that she may not be spending all of her time on the LinkedIn DMs. And I think that's a valid boundary to have for a creator. And I think we just sometimes need to sit down and say, what are my pain points? Is my pain point scrolling the LinkedIn news feed? Well, then stop that pain point. Why let that continue? There's solutions. And so, again, that goes back to my engineering mindset. I will always hear that pain point conversation and just immediately go, well, there's got to be a solution. There's always a solution.

In the age of AI now, there's even more solutions. The ability to build your own tools to make your own solutions, it just blows my mind.

Well, I'm not going to get into how to do that, but if you have a look, In the show notes, there will be a link for... I always ask the guests, give me a link for where you want to send people. Judy has a couple of resources, one of which is how to build your own custom news feed, which I will be doing. I've seen some other ways of doing this, but yours is way simpler.

Oh, good. I love the number three. I like to just be like, there's only three things you got to do. I love that you also think that's a great... Our brains can handle three things. And so it is just three steps to building your own LinkedIn news feed. It is simple.

Where I'd like to go next, I do want to talk about AI. I'm going to push that conversation ahead a little bit. Before we get there, I think one of my first questions was, and I still experience this all the time, when you're speaking to busy people, a lot of the time, their reaction to LinkedIn is, The news feed is so gross. It makes me feel bad about myself. It makes me feel all these things. We've addressed that, custom news on the street. I want to move on to the next thing, which is busy people want results. And those results are often focused on lead generation. And there's all kinds of nasty, pushy ways to try and generate leads, particularly through the DMs. But I'd like to look maybe at some more subtle, elegant ways of inviting people into our world in a way that they come to us rather than us having to push ourselves on them. Is there any advice that you might offer people so that we can maybe signal our availability rather than having to desperately ask people to work with us?

Oh, I love that because the way that I'll start is I'll say public conversations are going to convert to private conversations. So how you treated us in public, how you treat another person in public, even me and you having this public conversation that goes out to the world, shows people that both of us are good communication partners, that somebody could reach out to, book a call. So all of that is necessary. And the next step is to build out that profile that allows you. So we can take this interview, we can post a clip, we can post a screenshot, and we can say at the bottom of any post, PS, head over to my profile to make sure we stay in touch, or head over to my profile to start the process of seeing if we're a good fit to work together. Here's who I work with. Are you one of those people? It can be very light. I think when we try to explain ourselves, explain our business, over pitch ourselves, we don't allow the feeling of a consumer that loves to feel like they found something. And I think about even my own shopping mental experience of being like, I found this diamond in the rough.

I found this coach or this expert who I love. And maybe they're popular, maybe they have a lot of followers, but at the same time, there's still a feeling sometimes that they can intentionally set that makes you feel like I was able to take the decision to spend more time with them, or I want to intentionally get access to the more things they have. And I think sometimes we think we need to deliver that on a silver platter, but I don't know about you. I like a good scavenger hunt. I like a good puzzle. And I'm not always saying that you have to make any of your customer journeys a scavenger hunt. However, people try to say something is exclusive, but then they actually just put the link right there. That's not exclusive at all. So you really just have to think about your brand. And if you're going to say, Hey, this is exclusive. There's an application on my profile. It does make people actually be intentional and say, I have to go from here to the profile to go apply to then wait for an approval process. And you have to think through that as a sales professional.

I think there's another aspect to this, which you nail, which is difference. You can throw a stone out the window and hit a LinkedIn expert, but will you remember them? Almost certainly not. We've met in person several times, and you're one of these people who I can see you coming from the other end of a conference centre. Heads are turning and the ears go before you. It's very easy to think of that as a gimmick. To an extent, it is. But at the same time, it's more of an externalisation of, I'm I'm just going to lean into being me. Mike McAlowitz, he wrote this book called Get Different. He talks about how blending in or trying to fit in is essentially inviting yourself to fade out. You're not going to be seen at all. And you never fit in in that setting. If you look at most business owners, most consultants, they're trying to They're trying to fit in with their competition a lot of the time. They're trying to be seen as one of the good options. Fitting is where we go to die as business owners. And yet, you look at the way most people approach LinkedIn, fitting in is order of the day.

I'm interested in your journey into your Judy Fox, Fox Rocks identity. I think one of the things you mentioned earlier was it perhaps leads to you losing out on some opportunities, but winning big on some others. What's your perspective on that now, given you're still doing it?

Yeah, I would say those moments when you realise that you're different enough, that it is a very clear yes to the things that the doors and the things that open up for you and what access you get and where you find yourself. And I honestly think it can just take time for people to go from, Oh, I saw you with fox ears. I didn't understand it. I thought to myself, Oh, that's silly. Or that is, I don't know if you're actually smart or if you're actually capable of what you say you are, you're just wearing ears and it's gimmicky. I've got that on this spectrum. But then I have the people who it's so fast. The yeses that I get are at lightning speed. So some of them are very, I saw you, I listened to two podcasts you were on, and then I hired you. It's so fast. So I would say I've looked, and I think I had a tough moment recently where I was very clearly losing out on something something because they thought these are just stuffed animals behind me, and it sends the wrong impression or something to the brand.

And I thought to myself, that is tough. It's tough to get a no and to find out that it was the stuffed animals behind me. And then I was like, Honestly, if that was so... Something about these foxes was a problem, well, then I probably wouldn't make sense to their ideal client. And it makes it easier for me to spend my time, my energy on worlds that have been built that I can easily play in. And I'm going to get the fast yeses. I'm not just going to get the fast yes from the podcast host, for example, but I'm going to get the fast yes from the audience that they've already attracted and who they want to talk to. So I become a better collaborative partner for those people in those accounts, and then they end up seeing even better results because they're like, Wait, my audience loved you. So then why am I chasing where five seconds of checking me out online and they just go, I don't like the foxes in the background. That's not good. We're out. And I'm like, Well, then maybe your whole audience would have been like that because that's who you attracted were people who just would not relate to fun.

Sorry to be so blunt, but it is. It's just fun. I'm just having fun. I think you can have fun in life and in business. I've spent enough years in the corporate space to say, what's wrong with decorating a grey cubicle and having some fun in your space? I think We have enough time in our lives where we have to be serious sometimes. On all the other moments, let's have some fun.

I think one of the things I tell clients all the time is it doesn't really matter who you are. One One-third of people are not going to like you. One-third of people will ignore you, and one-third of people will love you. So knowing that that's how the mathematics of the thing works, wouldn't it be really good if the one-third of people who really liked you, liked you for who you were, and there was a you in alignment. And once you understand that it's very liberating, you seem to have found a way quite naturally into that. And I think that's what's really working for you. You're vibing with the people who are coming to you. And because of that, You almost become a beacon. I want to talk about AI. Ai is everywhere. People get really excited when I talk about AI. You tell me if I'm wrong, but I'm being pitched by LinkedIn tools at the moment that will go back and read all my historical LinkedIn posts. They'll work out how I write, and they'll just take care of it for me from now on. From your perspective, what's a healthy way to be leveraging AI in our LinkedIn practise, in our LinkedIn rituals?

What would you see as an unhealthy way that's going to lead down a dark road?

I would say the healthy thing that I just heard from your explanation of, Hey, we can go back and look through all your past posts. That language sounds healthy because it does sound like, Hey, why don't we take the human you and go back through and see where you've been successful? If you had to pull up your top five posts from the past five years, if you said, Judy, I'm going to have AI look back on those top five posts on LinkedIn, past five years, and I'm going to model after my own success, and AI is going to help me make some draughts based on that knowledge, that's It's good data. Ai being based on your own data, on your own journey, on your real lived experience, I don't see the downside necessarily on that. As long as you don't necessarily just blindly copy and paste what AI creates, and you have put some thought into making sure it's right, it matches, it does actually embody the formulas or the branding that you've put out into the world and how you write and doesn't change you. The hesitation I have is when too many people pull on AI out of the blue.

They'll just say, I looked at this XYZ popular creator on LinkedIn, and I told AI to try to create content like that person. That's the gap that I think some people are saying. I've seen tools, especially like you said, AI tools that will say, here's the top 100 posts on LinkedIn from top 100 creators, and we've scraped it all, and we have this amazing AI tool that will write and do what they do. I think that's going to burn out your audience. It's going to make you come across as that inauthentic word that we want to steer away from. I think in the age of AI, we're more quick to judge someone's account and say, I don't want to see that. I don't think through all the years I've been online, I've seen more and more people mark that they don't want to see things now because they're like, That is AI. I don't want to see it. That is AI. I don't want to see it. And so I'm telling people, avoid even thinking that if you don't have a good reason to use an AI image, just trying to generate some type of image for your post is not a good idea at this point.

Yeah. I mean, I will use an AI image occasionally when I want to create a very specific emotional reaction, but not for the sake of it. Anyway, I think that's a really good reflection on how people should be considering AI content in general. That was the specific use case I had in mind. But I think what you're describing there is AI as leverage, not as an excuse.

Yeah, I think I've said AI to amplify. I don't know why that has to have a Southern accent, but AI to amplify.

I'm going to be clipping that. That's really good. I might have that playing on my website as soon as people load it up. That would be really great.

Ai to amplify.

So time is burning. Let's look at the three things. So every week, I invite guests to share three things that people can just go and take action on. Sometimes it's a book, a mental model, a mindset, a hack. It doesn't matter. It's all up to you. What are your three things? Thing number one, Judy Fox.

I'm going to double down on build your own custom news feed. I know we already talked about it, but if I don't say how important that is for your time and energy, pick 10 to 20 people that you wish you could get on their radar or you're already peers with. Pick me and Bob.

Oh, really?

Yeah, exactly. So But like I said, it's just stay consistently commenting on the same people. So that is number one. Number two is don't steer too far away from the natural tools. I've actually, because of AI, I've started journaling more and writing things down. It's almost like I want to go back to the '90s or something. I'm like, Bring back mix tapes and bring back regular old-fashioned phone calls. But I think there's a case for almost reversing out of AI to be like, Okay, there's all this AI, there's all this, but what can you do that is the complete opposite of AI, and I actually think you're going to win. People are craving connexion and things that they missed out on, especially because of the pandemic. I feel like I've swung in the direction of, what can I do in person? I just signed up to be a mentor to some local college students and to meet up with them in person. I think there's this case of human, I want to be with people. I don't know what tip that is other than do the opposite of AI, aggressively.

Well, I really like this because AI invites us to not pay attention. A lot of people are using it as a way to avoid actually being creative. If you're not using that creative muscle, you're also not experiencing the joy of the results of that, which becomes a virtuous cycle. The more you create, you get feedback, you build relationships, you learn. If you're using AI as an excuse not to do these things, you're not getting that feedback loop either, which I think is really important. And connexion is a big part of that.

Yeah. I was going to say on the path of creating, I guess, a wishlist of things that I wish. You don't realise what you want until you sit down. And for some reason, creating a goal list anymore for me is really difficult. I like creating wish lists because I'm like, Oh, I wish this was something. So I think years ago, I wrote that I wish that when I went and did any therapy or any talk therapy or something, I wish I had somebody that I could go on a walk with and talk with. And then that wish came true, and I found somebody. And it's funny because a lot of times we think, these are the things I want in the world. And a lot of times, other people have built or created them, and you just need to create your wishlist. So maybe that's my third one, is just walk around creating wishlist because it doesn't mean it's going to come true tomorrow. But I've just constantly sat down and said, I have these wishlist for life that I wish was either happening in my life, I wish was true. I will I will mention that I had a house fire not that long ago, and that does put in perspective that you can have all the goals in the world, but in one day, you can see your life completely go from I have a home, I have a bed, I have a house, I have stability, to I am living out of a hotel, and I lost everything.

And that is overnight. I would say I went from I can create goals and things that I'm working towards to now my mindset is, like I said, I have wishlist. I don't know if that resonates with anybody, but I think in times of uncertainty, some of those mini shifts help move your life forward in that positive way without over-promising. I had a hard time living with any cognitive dissonance where I am currently in pain because I just lost my house. I am not in this mindset to create this amazing goals for 2025 at the time or even 2024. But now I've resonated with, how can I lighten that feeling? How can I make it feel more joyful? Again, back to, why would I not... If I wasn't here tomorrow, why would I not wear the fox ears today? What would be the reason at this point? And it's funny because I have a stage joke now that I say in my talks where I'm like, I did have only time to save three things. And one of the three things I saved, and I happened to go to a networking event that morning, I saved my dog because my dog was in my house.

I saved my computer and I saved my fox ears. So these are one of a kind purchased on Etsy from a great creator in Australia. And I was like, I want these. These are unique, and she custom made them. So I am not losing my fox ears in a house fire.

Is It's a great story. I think what I like about... We all know the importance of intention. If we're really clear about our intentions, we're far more likely to take intentional activity. But a lot of people get a little bit too cerebral about intention. Letting it live in fantasy and wishes first is a much more organic way to move from fantasy and wish through to maybe solidifying it into some practical goals and intentions through to projects and things like this. Sometimes it's okay for things to stay as wishes. There's a whole hidden universe that we don't understand. I know. That can come to play as well. Sometimes it's okay to just have wishes and weird things can happen.

Yeah, I love that.

Awesome. Judy, I've had so much time. Judy, I've had so much fun. I don't have that much time. This has been really useful for me, honestly, genuinely useful for me. You never fail to deliver. If people are listening thinking, I need a bit more fox in my life, how can they make that happen?

The best way is to go to LinkedIn. I do follow. I I have a Follow Friday that I will follow people back each week. So I will check you out. I will see that you followed me, I swear. Sometimes on LinkedIn, we reach a limit of how many people we can connect with, but we can follow as many people as we So I will definitely follow you back. So go to LinkedIn. It's J-U-D-I-F-O-X, and you can find on there all the ways to get access. At the very top, I think it even says, Follow Fox Rocks. And that's my hidden. If you want to get to download all the different things that I have, my freebies, my opt-ins, all the things, they're all there.

And I will have links to all of that in the show notes.

Yes.

Thank you very much at home for listening. That does bring us to the end of another episode. If you have enjoyed this, you will love the Personal Brand Business Romap. As I said, 50 pages of happiness to help you grow, start, and fix your expert business. Again, if you did enjoy this show, which I hope you have, if you've got this far, five star reviews, that's five, like the fingers on your hand, wherever you listen to podcasts are golden. They help me so much, especially if you're listening on Spotify because they make it a little bit more awkward. Thanks again. I for listening. Judy, thank you for your time. You have been awesome.

Thank you.