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Why Every Flat Organization Eventually Turns Into a Hierarchy When Scaling Up
Episode 6018th September 2025 • The Mammoth in the Room • Nicolas Pokorny, PhD, MBA
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In every growing business, there comes a breaking point when the flat, egalitarian model that once fueled creativity begins to collapse under its own weight. In this episode, we explore why hierarchies emerge as organizations scale and how leaders can use them not as power plays, but as vital tools for efficiency and clarity.

Through history, research, and practical examples, we uncover how hierarchy reduces chaos, fosters specialization, and makes large groups manageable. From military structures to modern corporations, hierarchy has repeatedly proven itself as the backbone of human coordination. 

The challenge lies not in rejecting hierarchy, but in designing it well so that it empowers your team. Join me for a clearer understanding of how to implement hierarchy thoughtfully, ensuring your organization remains agile, adaptive, and human-centered as it grows.


In this episode:

- The necessity of hierarchy when scaling

- Hierarchy as a tool for specialization

- Military and historical examples of hierarchy

- Conclusion and leadership insights on hierarchy




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Resources Used in the Episode: 


Garvin, D. A. (2013). How Google Sold Its Engineers on Management. Harvard Business Review, December 2013 Issue: 

https://hbr.org/2013/12/how-google-sold-its-engineers-on-management 


Grant, R. M. (2008). Contemporary Strategy Analysis (6th ed.). Wiley-Blackwell. (See Chapter 6 on hierarchy and modularity for discussion of coordination benefits) https://www.blackwellpublishing.com/content/GrantContemporaryStrategyAnalysis/6th_Edition/CSAA01.pdf  

Mengistu, H., Huizinga, J., Mouret, J.-B., & Clune, J. (2016). The evolutionary origins of hierarchy. PLoS Computational Biology, 12(6), e1004829: https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1004829  


Perret, C., Hart, E., & Powers, S. T. (2020). From disorganized equality to efficient hierarchy: how group size drives the evolution of hierarchy in human societies. Proceedings of the Royal Society B, 287(1928), 20200693: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2020.0693 


Simon, H. A. (1962). The architecture of complexity. Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society, 106(6), 467–482: https://faculty.sites.iastate.edu/tesfatsi/archive/tesfatsi/ArchitectureOfComplexity.HSimon1962.pdf  




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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicolaspokorny 

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