English Toy Terriers (ETTs) are loyal, funny, elegant little dogs and they’re also one of the UK’s vulnerable native breeds. In this episode of The Yappy Hour (powered by Yappily), host Nathan Dunleavy chats with Nikki Cole from Delightful Dogs Dog Training about what makes the English Toy Terrier so special, how dog trends affect breed visibility, and how to choose a dog responsibly and ethically.

We cover:

✅ English Toy Terrier temperament, lifestyle fit + coat care

✅ Why ETTs get mistaken for Doberman puppies or Miniature Pinschers

✅ What “vulnerable breed” means (and why awareness matters)

✅ How to find a responsible breeder (health testing, paperwork, red flags)

✅ Advice for guardians moving from large breeds to small dogs

✅ Enrichment for terriers: scent work, trick training + safe shredding outlets

✅ Under-the-radar UK breeds worth exploring

Connect with Nikki Cole (Delightful Dogs Dog Training):

📍 Website: DelightfulDogsDogTraining.co.uk

📍 Facebook: Delightful Dogs Dog Training

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Welcome to the Yappy Hour, powered by

Yappily, the podcast for dog lovers

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who want to better understand and

connect with their canine companions.

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I'm your host, Nathan Dunleavy, and

today we are diving into a breed that

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you may not have heard much about,

but once you do, you'll never forget.

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Joining me is Nikki Cole, a

passionate advocate for the beautiful

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and underrepresented English

Toy Terrier or ETT for short.

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A breed that's both elegant and

hilarious, loyal and lively, and

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sadly now classed as vulnerable.

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We will be unpacking what it means

for a breed to be vulnerable, how

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trends impact the breeds we see or

don't see out in the world, and why

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it's so important to make informed

heart led choices when choosing a dog.

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If you're curious about where breeds

or just want to hear some brilliant

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poodle adjacent chat, you are in

for a treat, so grab a cup of tea.

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Settle in and let's get started.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Welcome

back to The Yappy Hour, powered by Yappy.

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I'm your host, Nathan Dunleavy,

and I'm so excited to bring

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you another episode today.

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Even more excited that we're gonna

be talking about a breed that

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doesn't get a lot of sort of press.

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We're gonna be shining

a light on the rare and.

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Special Breed, which is

the English Toy Terrier.

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And we're gonna also be touching

on vulnerable breeds as well.

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So as I said, I'm really excited to

have a chat about this particular breed.

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It's not some, not a breed that we've

spoken about before on the yappy hour.

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And for today's conversation,

we've got the marvelous Nikki Cole.

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Nikki, welcome to the Yappy Hour.

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How are you doing?

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nicola: Thank

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Thank.

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nicola: much.

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Thank a good thank you, g.

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to be.

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Thank you so much for having me on to talk

about something I'm very passionate about.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Love that.

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No, you are most welcome.

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We can see you are passionate about 'cause

your face lights up just then as well.

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So yeah, like I said, it's not

something we've spoken about before

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this particular breed, so I'm really

excited to sort of dive a little deeper.

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So let's start from the

beginning then, Nikki.

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Can you tell us how you first

discovered English toy Terriers?

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Or we're gonna say ETS for short and

what was it that drew you to them please?

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nicola: Yep.

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is a regular thing in

in our la in our world.

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We accidentally said it to the

vet once, oh, that's an ETT

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thing, and the vet was like, ETT.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, brilliant.

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Okay.

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I'm glad.

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I'm glad, right?

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Yeah.

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So yeah, what, what made you,

how did you first discover them

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and how, what drew you to them?

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nicola: Yeah, so always had

an interest in dog breeds.

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Always been an dog and

animals in generally obsessed.

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I was that kid who had like the

dog breed book and would be looking

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through all the different breeds,

picking out ones that I liked and what

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would be suitable for our household.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: That.

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Love that.

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nicola: And so, had my fir first dog

as a family dog, Minnie Schnauzer Jack.

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He was wonderful.

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Mm-hmm.

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After Jack, I was looking at, we were

looking at the rescue centers, seeing

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what was in the rescue centers, and

I was looking at different breeds.

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I still lived at homes.

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My parents had to be in agreement.

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I mean, I, and I loved Dobermans.

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I still do, I still love Dobermans.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: really?

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Oh.

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nicola: But but my you know,

they had to be in agreement.

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They didn't want a big dog.

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And so I was just looking

at miniature pinches.

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I do still love them as well.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, well, they've got the similar,

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similar colors to the doby, ain't it?

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The black and tanner space.

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nicola: exactly.

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So in your, in my head I'm thinking,

oh, you know, miniature version.

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And, and through the research,

the English to terrier popped up.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh.

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nicola: so I joined Facebook

groups asked if I could meet up

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with local people who had them.

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And I made some great contacts

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, lovely.

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nicola: to, and, you know, they

were only too happy to talk about,

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you know, everything good and bad.

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What it's like to own one.

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I got hooked.

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but then, fred, who's my mixed

breed, my other dog, he turned up

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in the rescue center and again,

he was just meant to be just

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh,

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nicola: us down to the ground.

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And he's wonderful.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: oh good.

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nicola: But then I moved out, me and

Fred and 'cause he is mine and I'm like,

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right, well we can have as many dogs as

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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nicola: well.

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Yeah.

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well at least at least two more than one.

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I was still hooked on English

Toy Terriers and I called one of

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my contacts who I'd met up with.

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She was into breeding, showing, and she

sort of said, well, actually I think I

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do know someone that's looking to maybe

rehome one of her bitches into a household

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where she'd get a bit more attention.

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And.

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I tell you, after the heartbreak of losing

Jack so suddenly and, and Upsettingly,

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and it was really heartbreaking.

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It was like, it was just like Fred and

Nala had been sent by angels, you know, it

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was just, I got really lucky both times,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, that's nice.

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nicola: turning up at the

rescue center and then Nala,

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you know, they don't English.

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Toy Terriers being a vulnerable

breed, they're so hard to get hold of.

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So I got very lucky.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Right, so, so Fred's an ETT as well.

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nicola: Sorry, Fred is a mixed, complete

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Sorry.

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nicola: so

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, that's from the,

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nicola: Yeah, yeah.

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But he came from Second Chance.

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Yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Oh, lovely.

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Yeah.

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Second Chance is a local rescue in the

Southampton area where we are both from.

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nicola: Yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Good.

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And then you've got Nala.

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Who's your ETT then?

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nicola: that's right.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Brilliant.

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Okay, I love that.

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And what I also loved is like a lot

of people that have come onto the

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show you, you've started off with

saying that you were that kid that

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had the dog breed encyclopedia.

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And I love that 'cause

a few guests have said.

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Sim similar.

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You've loved having, you know, you've

loved being around animals and dogs and

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you've grew up with them and that's then

obviously what's led you into where,

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you know the field that you are in now.

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So I absolutely love that there's a bit of

a story behind someone, you know, liking

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a breed or doing the job they're doing.

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So thank you for sharing that.

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That's absolutely lovely.

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So we're gonna be moving on to

our next section, which is what?

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Which is what makes the

English Toy Terrier so special.

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Now I've met Nala.

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I've been very fortunate

enough to meet Nala.

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She's a little diamond blesser.

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So they're lovely little dogs

and she does look like a bit of a

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miniature is it miniature pincher?

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She looks like one of those, and

she's got a similar colors and

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markings of a pincher and adobe.

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So what are some of the everyday

joys you experience with living

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with an English toy Terrier?

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Nicki?

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nicola: For me it's the

amazing loyalty and affection.

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She is a cuddly dog.

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She will cuddle up to you, but a

lot of English toy Terry Ronans,

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as well as me will tell you that

one of the most awesome and funny

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habits is the bury under blankets.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, okay.

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nicola: You have to be careful

where you sit down in our house

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because, well, my house, because

it's, I mean, we've just, we, we've

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managed to get a bit of a collection.

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Now, once people know, you find that

you get different kinds of blankets

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as gifts and because you, they

know that Nala berry's under them.

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And then and it is just, you

know, you having a bad day.

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You can't fail to like.

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Lighten up when you see her just kind

of proper, like dead in and then,

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and then she just kind of does, and

you just see this blanket squirming

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about and then she just kind of

parks herself and it's this blob.

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Or she might have a head sticking out or

she might have her bum sticking out and.

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It's just so funny.

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I think I should just I've got so many

different funny pictures of her in her

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Positions.

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And it's like

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: that.

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nicola: my mum makes and designs and

make bakes and designs amazing, like

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different cake designs, like animals,

album covers for friends and family.

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Over the years we've had so

many different ones dependent on

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what our craze is at the moment.

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And last year for my birthday

she made a cake out of, a blanket

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with an English to terrier head.

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So it's basically she made a cake out of

Nala, burying herself under the blanket.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I love that.

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Brilliant.

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That sounds lovely.

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No, we've got a a blanket barrier.

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We've got a, as you know,

we've got a few chihuahuas and

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nicola: Oh.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

got one Milo.

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He absolutely loves just burying himself

under a blanket and then all of a sudden

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you'll be like, where's my love it.

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He's literally right under a blanket and

he pokes his head out and it is like.

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He's made his little nest to his

den and he is like, leave me here.

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And I'm like, oh, I feel

like that some days.

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Just wanna bury under the covers.

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So that's, that's really cute.

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So that, obviously, you know,

that sounds all really good fun.

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So moving on to our next question then.

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So they sound like the perfect combo of

a cozy lap dog and an adventure buddy.

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So what kind of lifestyle

would you say suits them best?

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nicola: Yeah.

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Absolutely in one, you know, she'd

love her life to be one big duvet day.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: We?

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Don't we all?

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nicola: yep.

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It would be nice to spend the day in the

life of, of Nala, but the same time she

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is, they are that perfect cafe companion.

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You know, you can I mean, she loves.

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And, and I think a lot of, when you

sort of meet other English choice,

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ETT Terry owners, they're the, the

same will say that they're, they take

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them everywhere they can go and they

like just being with their person

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: They do.

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nicola: And Nala, I know every dog's

an individual, but Nala does kind

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of like the attention of people.

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And so yeah, and, and you know, what they

say about how dogs are so good for our

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mental health, like getting us out on

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

they do say that.

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Yeah.

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nicola: and it's very similar with

like where, you know, when I can

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take her to, whenever I like do

go to like somewhere socializing.

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Very rarely, but you know, you go people,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Well, well, we go socialize,

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don't we meet up every so often

And Nala comes along, don't she?

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When when we meet for lunch or co coffees

with the, with a group of us in the area

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as pet professionals, you bring Nala to.

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And she, she loves it, don't she?

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She's very sociable.

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nicola: exactly.

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She loves it and, and I, I sort

of feel good having her with me.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

No, that's good.

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nicola: Which

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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nicola: Yeah.

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So they are that perfect companion

that, you know, you can take as long

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as you know, they've been socialized

correctly and aren't sort of anxious.

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I mean, you know, I don't take Fred with

me because I know he wouldn't enjoy it.

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He'd.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's fair enough.

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nicola: the attention, but

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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nicola: comes everywhere with me.

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She's so, so handy.

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And again, like regarding lifestyle,

you know, they're, they're quite easy

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maintenance in terms of their coat.

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Gr short hair, smooth head, so best of

both worlds in that you don't need to.

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Take them to the groomers to

have their haircut and also her

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hair's so light that she barely

sh that she doesn't shed at all.

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And I know as a breed it's

generally little to no shedding.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, and it's probably good because

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you are groomer yourself, aren't you?

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So if you do, she does need

a little bit of a brush up.

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You are, you are groomer as

well, so you could do it for her.

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nicola: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's I, well, when they see me with my,

when people see me out and about with

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nla, who looks like a Doberman puppy

and Fred, who looks like a Rottweiler

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puppy with his mix, they do say like,

oh, I love how you have short hair dogs.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Oh, brilliant.

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I know.

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That's lovely.

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It's nice to, nice to see

how they, you know, fit into

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different lifestyles and stuff.

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So have you found that people

often mistake or label the breed?

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Nicki mislabel the breed Nick, I.

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nicola: Yes.

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Well, so gets Doberman Puppy a lot.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, I can imagine

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nicola: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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She obviously gets miniature pincher a lot

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Is the, is there a, sorry to interrupt.

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Is there a big difference then between

the ETT and the miniature pincher?

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Like are they from, or they

just completely different dogs,

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or they just look similar?

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nicola: Yeah, I believe

they just look similar.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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nicola: they they are different breeds.

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So there is the Manchester Terrier,

which in America they call English Toy

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Terriers, the Toy Manchester Terriers.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, okay.

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That's interesting.

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nicola: the Manchester Terrier is,

is I, I think they, I think they do

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standard Manchester Terrier and Toy

Manchester Terrier, whereas in the

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UK it will be English Toy Terrier and

then the Manchester Terrier alone.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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So you were saying that they often

get mistaken for Adobe Puppy.

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Is there any other mistakes that people

often mistake or mislabel them as?

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nicola: Very, so yeah, it's mostly

do and puppy or miniature pincher.

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Very occasionally she's had Chihuahua

and I think not with those legs.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: No.

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No, not at all.

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She's not, she's not as yappy as

a chihuahua, not like mine anyway.

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She's always just so chilled out

and quiet whenever I've met her.

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nicola: Oh, she's so g Good often

in the cafes and the restaurants.

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Yeah, she's, she, it is, I, I just

love being able to take her with me.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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No, that's good.

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Brilliant.

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Okay, perfect.

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Let's move on to our next section then.

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So this is all about what potential

guardians pet parents should know, and

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I did like it when you said about how

you sort of researched the breed as

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well, because we are really big on, I.

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Well, I'm personally very big on, you

know, potential pet parents researching

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the breed if they're gonna look to get

a puppy to make sure that puppy's gonna

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fit their lifestyle, their home life.

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So I'm really big on sort of, you

know, people researching the breed,

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particularly, you know, what they

originally bred for whether a p or a.

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What are your colleague is gonna be

good for your, for your home life

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and you've gotta obviously manage

them and sort of tap into what they

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were bred for and meet those needs in

terms of mental stimulation and stuff.

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So I liked that you said that you did do

your research as well, so that's good.

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'cause we're really big on sort

of promoting people researching

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before they get a a dog.

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So my first question.

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Would be from your experience what

should people really consider before

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welcoming an ETT into their life?

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nicola: Yeah.

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I know we are gonna come onto

sourcing responsible breeders

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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nicola: obviously.

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Getting those appropriate health

tests done so that you've got a

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healthy dog is obviously important.

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They are generally a healthy

breed as long as the appropriate

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health tests have been done.

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So, such as eye testing,

that sort of thing.

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So while they don't need grooming

they will, the chances are they

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will need their nails cutting.

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So obviously again, it's that normal

like with any breed, even if they're

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short hair, you still wanna get that

handling training in to get them used

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to having nails examined, having teeth

examined, potentially anal glands.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Yeah

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yeah.

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nicola: of vet checks

that the vet would do

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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nicola: and, you know, sourcing out

appropriate what the best diet for

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them is so that they are kept in good

condition, their, their short coat and

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they're and making sure they don't have

dietary upsets with the correct diet.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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nicola: For Optimum Health.

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They with their short coat,

you've obviously got the

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sensitivities to the weather.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

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nicola: yeah, you know, I never

thought I'd be that person that

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would be looking up dog coats on the

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh.

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nicola: but then, you know, I got

a little dog that feels the cold,

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so she does need her EQU fleece.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, definitely.

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nicola: and

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Good choice.

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nicola: Yeah, yeah.

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EQU Fleece is a brilliant brand.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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nicola: so yeah, there

is that sensitivity.

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A coat on them in the cold weather.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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nicola: the rain.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, okay.

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I think that must be a little dog thing.

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Is it?

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Well, actually, I dunno.

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I walk a lot of different sized dogs

and as you, you know, you work with

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different ones, but my, I know, for

example, my little ones, my poodles

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more so my toy poodles, they're proper.

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Princesses and precious when it comes

to the rain, they will really not

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like going out to the wee, but the

chihuahuas, they're not particularly

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fuss, but they'd go out and do

their business and quickly come in.

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But the toy pr they just prance around.

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If they just went out and did it,

they'd be able to come back in.

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But no, they'd prance around and

you know, it's like, oh my God, I'm

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getting my little, my little paws wet.

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But yeah, I didn't know if it was just a

small dog thing, but maybe it's all boys.

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But yeah, the et ts like it as well.

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nicola: yeah, she put, so her previous

owner, she put in the little, when she

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put like the bag that all the stuff that

she sort of gave me to take with her and

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she'd left a note and one of the things

she said is house trains, but et ts think

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the rules change when the weather's bad.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's funny.

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That's so funny.

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Oh, bless her.

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Almost need like a little

umbrella for him, don't we?

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To kind of.

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Keep them dry when we go out.

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Perfect.

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So we did touch on breed and so

let's go to that question next then.

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So how can potential guardians be sure

they're going to a responsible breeder?

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Nikki.

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nicola: Yeah.

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So there, it's obviously you, you've

got the English Toy Terrier breed club,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

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nicola: and that they often,

like with any breed club, they

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will have a list of of what.

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Of, of breeders and obviously always

recommending having a chat with them.

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And and again, it goes back to making

sure those appropriate health tests have

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been done like luxating patella and the

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

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nicola: It's, and.

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You know, they should be glad

to show you that paperwork.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: mm.

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nicola: as well as the vaccinations,

the worming, they should be ha

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able to show you that paperwork.

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They should be passionate

about the breed as well.

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You know, you should be able to say, have

a conversation with them about the breed.

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They should want to tell you everything

good and everything bad, you know,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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nicola: you why do you want

an English toy terrier?

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And hopefully you do have a conversation

that's just passionate about that.

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Rather than, you know, the puppy mills

that have just got multiple breeds, good.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

No, definitely not.

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Yeah.

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nicola: you should get the feel that

they are breeding for the ultimate.

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Health and the ultimate

temperaments of their

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

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Yeah,

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nicola: and again, being a vulnerable

breed, you'd like to hope that they are

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precious about who those puppies go to,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

definitely.

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nicola: very precious about the

care of those puppies and the

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Yeah, sure.

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Is there many breeders in the UK

then of, of this particular breed?

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Or is it, like you say,

going via that, that club?

435

The, sorry, I forgot their name.

436

nicola: going via the club, but I do have

to shout out for the Facebook groups.

437

They've been a lot of the

breeders are very active on there.

438

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Good.

439

nicola: they've been so, they've

always so friendly and approachable.

440

I have to say, 'cause where I love

dog loads of different dog breeds.

441

I am on a few.

442

Breed groups

443

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

444

nicola: but honestly

shout out to the ETT ones.

445

They're all friendly and approachable

with all the questions that you have.

446

And also ne I've never seen anything

dodgy with recommending aversives with

447

any training methods or anything like

448

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, that's,

449

nicola: be a problem in other breed,

450

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

451

nicola: in certain groups.

452

I've never seen anything dodgy like that.

453

And, and just.

454

Yeah, they've, they've all been so nice

and like, I mean, so I, so looking on the

455

English Toter Breed Club the Breeders,

you then sort of rec, I then sort of

456

recognized all the names in the group.

457

So yeah, so you know that

they're obviously active.

458

You see photos and videos of their dogs

and their litters, and you can just see

459

the passion and the care that's going in.

460

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh good.

461

nicola: yeah,

462

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

No, that's really good.

463

No, that's good to know.

464

You men, you mentioned about obviously

the health test and the luxate patello.

465

I didn't know if that was like

a smaller dog thing as well.

466

'cause I know that one of my toy Peles

has got a bit of a, a bit of that and

467

one of the chihuahuas, so I didn't

know if that was just generally a small

468

dog thing, if that affected most dogs.

469

But I'm hearing a lot of it

sort of the smaller dogs.

470

nicola: Yeah, it's I think it is a lot of

small dogs that have to be careful for it.

471

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

472

Yeah, they do that sort

of skip, don't they?

473

And it can often be mistaken for that.

474

Yeah.

475

Brilliant.

476

Alright, so what would you say,

Nikki, to someone who's only ever

477

had large breeds but is considering

downsizing to a smaller dog?

478

nicola: Cool.

479

well, you poop picking

is easier for one thing.

480

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That is so true.

481

And as a dog walker of, of different

sized dogs, the Labrador poop is very

482

different to a a little miniature

schnauzer and my little ones actually.

483

Yeah.

484

So yeah.

485

Not the bigger the dog, the

normally the bigger the poop.

486

Yeah.

487

nicola: But yeah obviously extra careful

with making sure they don't get injured.

488

You know, it's, it's all very well

having the dog that you can sort of carry

489

around to places, it does make it sort

of easier when it's the, when it's right.

490

But but it's obviously, again,

extra care with being injured.

491

You know, they could break a

leg jumping out of your arms.

492

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

493

Yeah.

494

Yeah.

495

nicola: extra careful in the, especially

in the puppy stage with things like

496

step, I mean, I know that that.

497

To be fair, that's every breed really,

because obviously with the larger

498

breeds, it's hips, you've got to be extra

careful of, isn't it, and hip dysplasia.

499

But again, it's just that extra

careful of, of how fragile

500

they can be getting injured

501

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

502

nicola: like stairs and with

jumping off sofas, jumping on

503

off beds, that sort of thing

504

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

505

nicola: And then socialization as

well, you know, it's obviously making

506

sure that it's done with appropriate.

507

Dogs, you know they

508

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

509

nicola: that it's quite good to seek

out calm adult dogs that know how to

510

interact, disengage appropriately.

511

But like, it is maybe not such a good

idea to take 'em to a puppy party

512

with big boisterous dogs that are

maybe likely to knock 'em flying and,

513

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

this is Trey.

514

nicola: Appropriate.

515

So appropriate, meets

appropriate socialization so

516

they don't have get injured.

517

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, this is true.

518

And I was just thinking as you were

saying that obviously if you're used

519

to a big dog and then you have a

small one, you have to be careful.

520

'cause it could get under your

feet as easily, you could trip

521

over him causing yourself an

injury as well as the little dog.

522

nicola: Yeah, yeah, exactly

523

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

524

nicola: It's so it is all sort

of, yeah, it's sort of like, oh,

525

I didn't know they were there.

526

Which I imagine probably wouldn't

happen so much if you had a big dog.

527

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, that's true.

528

Brilliant.

529

Okay, that's great.

530

Thank you so much.

531

So moving on to our next section,

which is all about what are vulnerable

532

breeds and why should we care?

533

So a vulnerable breed is one.

534

With fewer than 300 puppies

registered per year.

535

I didn't know that.

536

And it also includes breeds like the

deer hound field, spaniel, cardigan,

537

corky, sky, terrier, and more.

538

And then the, the breeds fall

out of favor due to trends, lack

539

of exposure, all their original.

540

Work and well no longer being needed.

541

So what's your understanding of what

defines a vulnerable breed and why is

542

it important that we talk about this?

543

nicola: Yeah, exactly.

544

A vulnerable breed is a breed

where less than 300 puppies

545

have been registered per year.

546

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Hmm.

547

nicola: Vulnerable native breeds,

breeds of British and Irish origins

548

that are considered vulnerable

because of their declining numbers.

549

So it is important that we talk about

this because well, when you have a

550

breed as wonderful as the English Choy

terrier, and you know, I just, see, so

551

there, there are just so many wonderful

things about Nala with how affectionate

552

and loyal she is, but also, you know.

553

the easy maintenance in so many the ways,

the ways the, the fact that, I mean, as

554

you've said, when you've seen her, when

she's out and about and how lovely she is

555

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, just like,

556

nicola: you,

557

They're, but they're you know, they're

rare they're rarer than the, a lot of

558

endangered species like the giant panda.

559

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, I didn't know that.

560

Yeah.

561

nicola: it's so, you know, if you

look on the Kennel Club website,

562

it will obviously say how many sort

of puppies have been registered

563

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm-hmm.

564

nicola: It's and it's at the moment,

565

But yeah, so many breeds that are rarer

than a lot of the endangered what species?

566

Like the giant panda.

567

And there's just so many wonderful

breeds on there, you know, as well

568

as the English Choy terrier the deer.

569

I love the deer hound.

570

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I, and I don't even know

571

what a deer hound is, Nikki.

572

I've seen it right down here in my prep,

but I've never heard of a deer hound.

573

A, a failed spaniel, a cardigan corgi.

574

I know what a corgi is, but I've not

heard of a cardigan corgi or a sky tar.

575

I've never heard of any of these dogs,

so it is not surprising, is it If they're

576

classed as vulnerable, if they don't?

577

Get as much, you know?

578

nicola: No kind of sort of

like exposure on how like there

579

is for endangered species.

580

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

581

So when you said you like the

deer hound, what, what's the

582

deer hound look like then?

583

Do you, do you know?

584

Are you able to tell her?

585

nicola: again, a similar breed

would be the Irish Wolf Hound.

586

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, okay.

587

Yeah.

588

nicola: yeah, so barely

sort of looks wise.

589

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

590

nicola: but yeah, it's so there.

591

I love them 'cause I love sight hounds.

592

So it's kind of a shaggy

shaggy sight hound.

593

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

594

Oh, that's cute.

595

Yeah.

596

Like I said, I had no idea that this,

that, that they were classed as a

597

vulnerable breed if they had less

than 300 puppies, Richard, per, yeah.

598

That's really interesting.

599

And I didn't know that until we

started talking about this and

600

doing the prep for this episode.

601

So that's really, really interesting.

602

And so moving on, do you think

social media and celebrity

603

culture has made the rare but

wonderful breeds harder to protect?

604

nicola: Yes, massively.

605

People see what's in the media.

606

They see what an influencer's.

607

Dog.

608

They see a celebrity's dog.

609

They like what's popular,

what's in fashion.

610

And like you say, they just never see.

611

We just don't see these breeds on

social media through our feeds.

612

Sometimes the only time you'll see

them is if you do watch GRTs, and

613

that's not always such a good thing.

614

So you might see like the sky,

if you see the sky terra and the

615

bearded coley and they're beautiful.

616

But you might see that long

coat and think, you know, oh no.

617

But then you know, just putting it out

there, you don't have to have their hair.

618

Like quite like that, you know, it's

your dog, your hair, your choice.

619

You can have you can have it how you want.

620

And you know, so, but that's,

that's, again, that could contribute.

621

You might sort of see a breed like that

and maybe be put off by the coat care.

622

But then that's no different to a

lot of the breeds that are popular.

623

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Hmm.

624

nicola: But where coat coat care

is a factor, obviously, but the.

625

There, there, so there is that.

626

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

627

nicola: so yeah, they just

don't get the exposure.

628

People just like, they what's popular.

629

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, sure.

630

Yeah.

631

Great.

632

That's fair enough.

633

So do you think there are risks in

promoting a vulnerable breed too heavily?

634

nicola: Yeah.

635

The same as if you promote a popular

breed too heavily you get what we

636

call the greeters or the puppy mills.

637

Puppy

638

Jump on the bandwagon and then

decide they're gonna breed them

639

really irresponsibly without any

thought for the health and the

640

temperament of the pups, and obviously

owners get, and then you'll get.

641

Irresponsible owners as well if

they see that they're really popular

642

that haven't done their research.

643

So yeah.

644

And then like with some of the

popular breeds, sadly you'll get

645

unhealthy puppies and puppies that

are an extra anxious, fearful because

646

they've been bred from a puppy mill.

647

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

648

Yeah, sure.

649

Yeah.

650

Cool.

651

Okay.

652

Perfect.

653

So let's move on to our next section,

which is all about celebrating other.

654

Under the radar breed.

655

So I've got noted here, there's a

few we've spoken about obviously

656

Deer hound already, but we've got

setters nor Norridge and Norfolk

657

Terriers and Lancaster healers.

658

So you don't see many Lancia healers do.

659

We used to have a client in my dog

walking business a few years ago that

660

was a Lancaster healer, and they're,

they're very rare, aren't they?

661

They're lovely little dogs and you look

at them, people dunno what they are.

662

nicola: mm And kind of similar-ish,

looking again to the English Toy Terrier.

663

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

664

nicola: not as much as a

miniature pincher, but bla

665

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

666

nicola: Fred supposedly, according to

his DNA's, got Lanker Shaila in him.

667

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Really.

668

Okay.

669

So I'm not really, I'm not really

familiar with a Norridge or Norfolk

670

Terri, are they, are they similar

to any more Well name breeds.

671

nicola: I, they look, you are probably so

where there's a lot of mixed breeds in the

672

W world at the moment, you could potent.

673

You are probably, I've seen a lot of

Terry and mixes that are very similar,

674

looking to Norwich and Norfolk Terriers.

675

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

676

nicola: Because they look like

little brown, scruffy terriers.

677

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, okay.

678

Good.

679

Brilliant.

680

And with setters, do they mean like

Irish setters and English setters?

681

Yeah.

682

Is that the I?

683

nicola: an Irish red Setter, you've got

684

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's the one.

685

nicola: Setter.

686

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: We

used to have an an Irish, an Irish

687

red Setter, and anyone that used to

see, I used to have one as a walking

688

client and one as a training club.

689

Anyone that would see us out, every

time we'd get a comment, oh, you don't

690

see many of them about anymore, but

apparently they were really popular

691

in the seventies or something.

692

nicola: Yeah, they definitely

there's definitely a different

693

popular breeds for different decades.

694

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, that's that's true, isn't it?

695

nicola: Yeah.

696

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Brilliant.

697

nicola: Afghan hound was

popular at one point.

698

I.

699

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

700

God, they look like some kind of

a loreal advert, like with their

701

sort of long hair and looks.

702

And one of my colleagues and friends,

he, he looks after them sometimes

703

got some friends with some Afghans.

704

Brilliant.

705

So what would you say, are there

any vulnerable breeds that you

706

feel particularly passionate about

beyond the English Toy Terrier?

707

nicola: Oh.

708

So I know we've already touched on the

Deer Hounds but I love my sight hounds,

709

so I've gotta give them a mention.

710

Ev every.

711

Dog is an individual, so you never

want, so you always gotta put that

712

out there before you talk about them.

713

But a lot of owners say that

they, again, they love their sofa.

714

So again, you've got a really

nice affection at sofa buddy.

715

But at the same time, being aware of the

high prey drive when they're outside.

716

So again, providing all the suitable

outlets and suitable stimulation exercise.

717

And then you've just got a lovely

companion, lovely calm sofa companion.

718

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

719

nicola: if you fancy, I

mean, no breed is easy.

720

So you know, at the end of the day

it's like raising a child, but if you

721

fancy more of a challenge, you've got

the miniature English Bull Terrier.

722

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Well, yeah.

723

nicola: I've got a soft spot for them.

724

I just think they're just so quirky

725

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh.

726

nicola: yeah.

727

Yeah.

728

And I used to know someone who bred

them as well as the standard ones.

729

And so I used to go round

and see the puppies.

730

And again, they're just,

they're a breed that's.

731

to be close to you.

732

Well, again, every dog's an

individual, but they really like

733

to be close to you and get all that

love and stroking and attention.

734

Just a lot stronger than

an English story terrier,

735

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

736

Yeah, definitely.

737

nicola: much fun.

738

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

739

Brilliant.

740

Okay.

741

And that was a miniature bull.

742

Terry, did you say?

743

nicola: Miniature English Bull Terrier.

744

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I don't think I've seen a

745

miniature English baller before.

746

nicola: Oh, they,

747

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Have to have a look at, have

748

to have a look at one of those.

749

nicola: yeah.

750

If you've got the time to dedicate

to the training and and the

751

out and giving them appropriate

outlets, then I, I would love one.

752

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Brilliant.

753

Brilliant.

754

Okay.

755

Would you what would you say

are some ways that guardians can

756

honor a breed's heritage, even if

they're not working dogs anymore?

757

nicola: Definitely gun dog

training for the gun dogs.

758

As long as you seek out a positive

reward-based trainer that doesn't

759

use corrections and adversive,

'cause there's a few old fashioned.

760

sometimes gun dog training can have a bit

of a bad name because people a lot, there

761

are some trainers that use some of the

more old fashioned corrections aversive.

762

So as long as you see cattle positive

reward based gun dog trainer, then

763

you know, you are harnessing all those

skills that were sort of specifically

764

bred into them through different games,

retrieving games, that sort of thing.

765

And any breed can do it because

it is just those sort of skill.

766

I've, I've done it with Fred.

767

He's not got any gun dog in him

according to his DNA, but he enjoys it.

768

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

769

nicola: so I, I do think that's

a lovely outlook for them.

770

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

771

Yeah.

772

nicola: your dog walking, you

probably find you've got a lot

773

of retrievers that love that

retrieving side of things, having

774

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

775

nicola: so,

776

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh yes.

777

nicola: put it, put it, give them

that outlook by giving them retrieving

778

games and different ways of retrieving.

779

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, definitely.

780

Yeah, I was gonna say there is some,

there is, if someone doesn't want to

781

get into like, maybe the, the kind

of maybe more structured or stricter

782

gun dog trainer, there is like pet

gun dog stuff you can do as well.

783

Isn't there?

784

nicola: Yeah.

785

Yeah, absolutely.

786

There's I mean the, like, the stuff I've

done with Fred, it's all very kind of.

787

You don't feel like you're sort of on

a serious, like training them for a

788

serious hunt or anything like that.

789

It's just not like that.

790

It's, it's just so much fun.

791

And it's sort of not to be taken to, and

yeah, def absolutely, definitely you don't

792

have to sort of go and it be all serious

as if you're getting them ready for a

793

hunt and not putting a toe out of line.

794

But at the same time, I've heard

people say, oh God, aren't you

795

teaching them to go after things?

796

And on the contrary, you are

teaching them to stay put unless

797

you say otherwise, until you say so.

798

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

799

Good.

800

Well, it's all about having fun with

your dogs, isn't it, ultimately.

801

So that's the important thing.

802

Brilliant.

803

So what kind of enrichment or

lifestyle activities do you

804

recommend for the terrier type Nicky?

805

nicola: Another

806

one I really love Outlet is scent work.

807

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yes, do love a bit of scent work.

808

Yeah, I know you're keen on that as well.

809

nicola: yeah, I teach it.

810

It's a lovely one that provides, it,

it's calming as well as enjoyable.

811

They love their sniffing.

812

And it's sort of an activity that

also boosts those calming endorphins.

813

'cause they, it calms them down

rather than sort of jazzes them

814

up and adds to the arousal.

815

It's sort of like, you know, and it's

kind of got, it's just got so many

816

benefits in that it's almost, it's

given them a little bit of independence.

817

'cause to an extent you are sort

of stepping back and letting

818

them and just kind of giving them

a little bit of guidance while

819

they're searching for the scent.

820

But also you are, you are doing

the activity together with them, so

821

it's still adding to that bonding.

822

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

823

nicola: so you've kind of got the

best of both worlds in that way.

824

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

825

nicola: You've got trick training,

which again, can be really great

826

for the bonding side of things.

827

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

828

nicola: you, you often hear people

think of Terri as a stubborn and

829

wanting to do their own thing.

830

So trick training's a great option for

kind of helping get them motivated by you.

831

Finding diff and there's just

so much to it, so many different

832

things you can teach them to do.

833

And again, that helps you learn what

they enjoy and what's not for them.

834

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, definitely.

835

nicola: So own.

836

And then you've got regarding enrichment,

you know, again, you've got the you've

837

off, you might have heard, you've

probably heard a lot of the trainers

838

that listen to this will be very aware

of the predatory motor sequence, which

839

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

840

nicola: obviously the hunting sequence.

841

And there's different parts that

were bred in for different breeds.

842

And obviously the distinctive part

of the terrier is the fact that they

843

love, they obviously were bred too.

844

Long-legged terriers bred to

chase and kill short-legged

845

terriers bred to dig and kill.

846

So so they obviously.

847

Again, every dog's an individual, but

obviously a lot of terrors will enjoy that

848

shaking, ragging, catching part of that.

849

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

850

nicola: you know, getting your recycling

together, all the cardboard boxes,

851

paper hide treats so they can really

shred and, and have a good, and sort

852

of like rag, you know, a paper, put

some treats in a paper bag and let

853

them shred it apart to get the treats.

854

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

855

nicola: so that they don't in

case you will get some that will

856

actually try and ingest the stuff,

which is obviously not good.

857

So if you've got one that's gonna ingest

it, then maybe try lettuce or cabbage so

858

that it's not gonna harm them if they do.

859

But things like that.

860

And again, you've got toys on the

market that harness that shredding

861

ability, like the snuffle balls.

862

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

863

Yeah.

864

Yeah.

865

Brilliant.

866

Okay, cool.

867

Thank you.

868

Love, love, love that.

869

Lots of different ideas

and activities there.

870

And what I love that you keep

on saying and going back to,

871

I love how you keep saying it.

872

All dogs are individual.

873

And they are, it's so Right.

874

But I loved that you, I've picked up

and you've said, you've said that a

875

few times now, and I really like that.

876

Sort of outlook is often about working

with a dog that's in front of you.

877

And you mentioned obviously some

dogs get labeled stubborn, and

878

they're not meaning to be stubborn.

879

It just means that we know there's

something going on and we need to find out

880

what that is, or we need to sort of play

to their strengths and give them play to

881

their, you know, outlets and stuff and

in terms of their mental stimulation.

882

But I absolutely love how

you, how you've said about.

883

They all dogs are

individual 'cause They are.

884

nicola: Yeah.

885

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I love it.

886

nicola: if in case someone decides

to come at me saying, well, my

887

English Troy Terrier hates all

the blankets that I bought them.

888

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

889

Yeah, that's fair.

890

Yeah, we can't, we're not all, we're

not all the same, which is good

891

because life would be boring if

we were all the same, wouldn't it?

892

Brilliant.

893

So, my gosh, Nikki, we've literally

sailed through this episode.

894

It's full of lots of useful

and insightful information.

895

So we're gonna spend the last

sort of five or seven minutes.

896

Wrapping up with some final

questions and thoughts.

897

So Nikki, what's your one hope for

the future breeds like the English Toy

898

Terrier and others on the vulnerable list?

899

I.

900

nicola: So, yeah, it's obviously not

about popularity, you know, it's not

901

about making them the next popular breed.

902

But it is about that awareness.

903

You know, like I said, the, to have such

a wonderful breed, the thought of them

904

getting less and less and less is just.

905

You just don't wanna think about that.

906

You just think, think So.

907

I do think they deserve a bit

more promotion, fly the flag

908

for such a wonderful breed.

909

It's, and again, going back

to the whole, no dog is easy.

910

It's like raising a child.

911

If you're in the position to, that you've,

you've, you've done your research and you

912

are ready to take on a puppy or a rescue

dog, then definitely have a look at the

913

vulnerable breeds list and see if you can

see a breed that might tick the boxes.

914

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

915

nicola: Definitely,

916

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

And it's so important, isn't

917

it, to do your research.

918

Like some, some people may just

jump into it, but I can't stress how

919

important it's to do your research.

920

I.

921

nicola: Definitely.

922

And you know, joining those since we are,

we do now live in a world of social media,

923

like joining certain breed groups and

having a look at what, or even just and,

924

and trying to source out local breeders.

925

Who would be willing to have

a chat with you and meet you.

926

It can really sort of like you know, just

to be able to go on a walk with the dog

927

and, and just sort of, and you know, we

did that with two different households so

928

we got a feel for sort of what they were

like as a breed and it, but yeah, I'm

929

not say enough about doing your research.

930

You are absolutely right.

931

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

932

So important.

933

So for anyone that's currently looking

for a dog, what would you say to encourage

934

them to think beyond the obvious choices?

935

I,

936

nicola: Yeah.

937

So you have got a list of the vulnerable

breeds on the kennel Club website.

938

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: mm-hmm.

939

nicola: and yeah, it's just thinking

about different, what, what you

940

are looking for in a dog, you

know, and what you can provide.

941

And, and yeah, just thinking

outside the box a bit more, you've

942

got so many breeds on there.

943

They're like the English toy area

that's generally a healthy breed and

944

low maintenance in a lot of ways.

945

you know, you've got again, you've the,

you've got lots of terriers on there where

946

coat care may be a bit more of an issue.

947

They're gonna need more grooming.

948

But then again, that's, that is the

same with a lot of popular breeds.

949

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Mm mm Yeah.

950

nicola: So, yeah, I just, I

just think give them a chance.

951

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

952

I was just thinking as you said that

where, where does the can terrier fit?

953

Would, would you say that's

like a, like a vulnerable Yeah.

954

Can terrier,

955

nicola: it has definitely declined.

956

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

957

nicola: it's it's, I, they

were very popular because of

958

Toto from the Wizard of Oz and.

959

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

960

No.

961

Yeah.

962

The only reason I say about 'em,

'cause I used to walk one and, and

963

the lady was a breeder, but she used

to show them at crafts as well, but

964

you don't see many of them around.

965

It's just one I thought of that you don't

966

nicola: They

967

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

see many around.

968

nicola: Yeah.

969

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

970

nicola: yeah, I've seen in the news that

they've, about how much they've declined.

971

It's and it's just, and when you think

about all the different wonderful

972

breeds like the canter, that's when

it does become sort of sad to think of

973

them sort of not being around anymore.

974

Again, a breed that's

generally quite healthy.

975

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm

976

nicola: yeah, got lots

977

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Brilliant.

978

nicola: little quirks about them.

979

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

980

Nikki, do you have one top tip that you'd

like to just mention to our listeners?

981

For anyone that's looking

at getting an ETTI.

982

nicola: Definitely the English toter

Facebook groups, like say because

983

I, I just can't believe how friendly

and approachable they all are.

984

I.

985

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's nice.

986

nicola: And and like I said, always

like with any, any questions, any posts,

987

there's no sort of I've never seen any

bullying or anything in that group.

988

Never promoted any aversive

or anything bad like that.

989

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Good.

990

nicola: meet up with the owners.

991

There's a lot of, so in London

there's a lot of EETT walks,

992

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, really?

993

nicola: are arranged.

994

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Nice.

995

nicola: I organized a

local one in Southampton.

996

We had 10 in the

997

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Well, that's, that's a good.

998

nicola: Yeah.

999

Yeah.

00:44:03,489 --> 00:44:07,539

And and it's, oh, it's lovely seeing

people's take on them, all these

00:44:07,539 --> 00:44:09,699

tiny little black and tan dogs.

00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:11,799

so.

00:44:12,132 --> 00:44:14,382

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Do They only come in black and tan.

00:44:14,664 --> 00:44:15,264

nicola: Yes.

00:44:15,642 --> 00:44:16,332

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, okay.

00:44:16,332 --> 00:44:16,992

I did wonder.

00:44:18,144 --> 00:44:18,744

nicola: Yeah.

00:44:19,632 --> 00:44:20,677

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's interesting.

00:44:21,864 --> 00:44:24,654

nicola: yeah, they, they only come

in black and town, so you see all

00:44:24,654 --> 00:44:26,304

these tiny little black and town

00:44:26,487 --> 00:44:26,607

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I.

00:44:26,634 --> 00:44:29,344

nicola: and you get a lot

of fun, like comments.

00:44:29,782 --> 00:44:32,242

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, my, one of my chihuahuas, she's,

00:44:32,602 --> 00:44:34,762

she's a lovely black in tan color.

00:44:35,222 --> 00:44:38,507

Bella often say that she's

like a mini while or Adobe.

00:44:39,609 --> 00:44:39,829

nicola: Oh.

00:44:40,637 --> 00:44:41,597

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

She's definitely got the

00:44:41,597 --> 00:44:43,667

similar colors to, to your Nala.

00:44:43,977 --> 00:44:44,487

Brilliant.

00:44:44,487 --> 00:44:47,697

So Nikki, apologies I didn't mention

your business name at the start of

00:44:47,697 --> 00:44:51,357

the episode, but your business name

is Delightful Dogs Dog Training.

00:44:51,657 --> 00:44:55,587

So where can people connect

with you, learn more about the

00:44:55,587 --> 00:44:57,207

delightful dogs training approach.

00:44:57,207 --> 00:45:01,327

Just let our listeners know how they can

reach out to you or find out more about

00:45:01,474 --> 00:45:01,894

nicola: Yep.

00:45:02,224 --> 00:45:06,034

We are on Facebook

delightful dogs training.

00:45:06,084 --> 00:45:09,144

Look for the lovely photo of

the schnauzer, which is Jack.

00:45:10,277 --> 00:45:10,567

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

00:45:11,254 --> 00:45:14,284

nicola: we are on Instagram,

delightful dogs training.

00:45:14,334 --> 00:45:16,764

Look out for the photo of

the English Toy Terrier

00:45:17,497 --> 00:45:17,787

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

00:45:17,814 --> 00:45:20,744

nicola: that's profile picture

on Instagram is me with Nala.

00:45:21,202 --> 00:45:21,712

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

00:45:22,274 --> 00:45:25,514

nicola: so yeah, Facebook,

Instagram, and we've got a website.

00:45:25,514 --> 00:45:27,344

Delightful Dogs dog training.co

00:45:27,494 --> 00:45:28,064

uk.

00:45:29,122 --> 00:45:29,572

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Perfect.

00:45:29,602 --> 00:45:31,492

Thank you so much, Nikki.

00:45:31,492 --> 00:45:37,282

Thank you so much for joining me today

on The Yappy Hour, powered by Yappily.

00:45:37,582 --> 00:45:40,162

I've really really, really

enjoyed this episode.

00:45:40,162 --> 00:45:43,562

Finding more out finding more

out about the English toy

00:45:43,562 --> 00:45:45,332

terrier and vulnerable breeze.

00:45:45,332 --> 00:45:46,592

I didn't know much about them.

00:45:46,592 --> 00:45:48,572

Obviously, I have met your lovely Nala.

00:45:48,872 --> 00:45:52,232

But it's just been really,

really interesting to find

00:45:52,232 --> 00:45:53,342

out more about the breed.

00:45:53,342 --> 00:45:58,182

So thank you so much for joining me today

on the Yappy Hour, powered by Yappily.

00:45:58,202 --> 00:45:59,342

I've really enjoyed it.

00:46:00,104 --> 00:46:01,294

nicola: Thank you for having me.

00:46:01,354 --> 00:46:02,704

Thank you for the opportunity.

00:46:03,332 --> 00:46:04,562

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, you are most welcome.

00:46:04,562 --> 00:46:07,262

Thank you so much, and I

will speak to you again soon.

00:46:08,584 --> 00:46:08,974

nicola: Thank you.

00:46:13,302 --> 00:46:17,322

What a warm and informative

chat with Nikki Cole.

00:46:17,652 --> 00:46:20,892

Here are some of the key

takeaways from today's episode.

00:46:21,312 --> 00:46:25,632

Number one, English Toy Terriers

are affectionate, funny and

00:46:25,632 --> 00:46:28,032

incredible, incredibly adaptable.

00:46:28,452 --> 00:46:30,822

Don't let their small size for you.

00:46:31,092 --> 00:46:34,302

They're bursting with

character number two.

00:46:34,532 --> 00:46:38,252

Vulnerable breeds need

responsible awareness, not hype.

00:46:38,552 --> 00:46:42,122

It's about thoughtful

advocacy, not trend setting.

00:46:42,572 --> 00:46:45,812

Number three, no breed is an easy breed.

00:46:46,382 --> 00:46:51,062

Every dog needs time, understanding

and support tailored to their

00:46:51,062 --> 00:46:53,642

unique background and instincts.

00:46:54,092 --> 00:46:55,052

Number four.

00:46:55,207 --> 00:46:58,597

There's beauty in

diversity, we lose so much.

00:46:58,597 --> 00:47:01,507

When breeds fade into obscurity.

00:47:01,867 --> 00:47:05,707

Education is the key to

protecting our dog heritage.

00:47:06,337 --> 00:47:10,327

Nikki, thank you for sharing your story

and giving us all a reason to fall

00:47:10,327 --> 00:47:12,697

in love with the English Toy Terrier.

00:47:13,147 --> 00:47:17,107

To all our listeners, please check

out delightful Dog's Dog training.

00:47:17,347 --> 00:47:22,087

For more on Nikki's work and

training ethos and as always.

00:47:22,437 --> 00:47:27,417

If you enjoyed this episode, please

subscribe, leave a review, and

00:47:27,417 --> 00:47:29,547

share it with a fellow dog lover.

00:47:30,177 --> 00:47:34,437

Massive apologies if you can hear

my dogs yapping in the background

00:47:34,467 --> 00:47:39,897

during this or the intro on today's

episode, but it wouldn't be the yappy

00:47:39,897 --> 00:47:42,807

hour without having some yappy dogs.

00:47:43,527 --> 00:47:46,717

This has been The Yappy

Hour Powered by Yappily.

00:47:47,127 --> 00:47:51,237

I'm your host, Nathan Dunleavy,

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