We'll do it live!
::We'll do it live!
::There we go.
::There we go.
::That's my Bill O'Reilly for ya.
::DJ.
::DJ, spin that shit.
::Alright, let's see what we got.
::... ...
::Black and white, everybody.
::How are you all feeling?
::Y'all, we got a big one.
::As Brian put it,
::we got a monster of an episode.
::A chunker, if you will.
::Because there is a lot to unpack.
::Chunker feels weird.
::Chunker.
::Chunker.
::A big hefty double dose of
::films in black and white for you.
::Sure.
::You didn't like that?
::No.
::Why?
::What was wrong with it?
::I don't like the way you
::said it in my ear.
::Oh, okay, okay.
::Cool, cool, cool.
::But we are going to get into
::Deadpool and Wolverine.
::That's the main attraction, right?
::Everybody got the tickets
::for our Deadpool and Wolverine review.
::But we also have...
::San Diego Comic Con also happened.
::And y'all,
::we got some shit to unpack with that.
::So you might have got your
::ticket for Deadpool Wolverine,
::but you're also getting an
::extra special treat.
::Welcome to the show, boys and ladies.
::But in order to do this right,
::in order to do it well,
::I need to tell you all,
::spoiler alert for Deadman.
::Really quick.
::If you haven't seen it, skip this.
::Run away.
::We're going to spoil a lot of it.
::We will give you one more.
::We'll give you one more spoiler warning,
::but
::yeah it's the first one um
::but in all seriousness and
::all in order to do it well
::in order to do it right I
::am going to kick it on over
::to marcus j destin aka
::blade bitch uh how are you
::feeling sir feeling good
::it's good to be here with
::my guys beginning of the
::week for us if you're
::listening on a wednesday
::this is wednesday ignore
::the movie magic um
::There's a lot of Comic-Con,
::a lot of stuff to consume.
::It was a crazy, crazy,
::crazy nerdy weekend.
::It was a lot.
::And I'm here for all of it.
::I'm here for all of it.
::But I'm just happy to be
::here and share it with my guys, you know?
::Absolutely.
::Yeah, well, we're glad you're here.
::You and I had a very special
::treat for seeing this.
::I'm excited to get into it.
::Absolutely.
::But Brian Roush, a.k.a.
::Dance Pool.
::That's me.
::Brian, how are you feeling, sir?
::Yeah.
::I'm feeling great.
::I'm feeling... It's the
::bye-bye-bye vibes for me.
::That's how I'm feeling.
::This movie... It put me in
::such a good mood.
::And I'm just trying to ride
::that for as long as I can.
::And it's just... It's good.
::I'll talk more about it.
::But man...
::this movie,
::it hit on a lot of things that
::of my childhood, but also like,
::it also felt like it was
::speaking to me as like a
::critic for films in black and white,
::which we'll get into.
::But man, like just this whole weekend,
::just,
::it was like a Marvel Palooza and it
::made me really happy.
::It just, I don't know.
::It just, it feels good.
::The vibe feels different
::about the MCU so that it just,
::it feels good.
::And I'm also super pumped
::that you both got a private
::showing in this movie.
::Like that,
::that has got to be one of the
::high points.
::It was wild.
::Like the fact that it was wild as hell.
::Uh, it was really cool.
::So yeah,
::we'll talk more about that here in
::a second, but that was really,
::really cool.
::Um,
::I too am also disappointed that Brian
::was not announced as Dr.
::Doom this weekend.
::Um, so Brian, uh,
::If you're disappointed,
::we support you in that disappointment.
::When people thought about
::the Doctor Doom castings,
::when people listed it out online,
::they said Ben Mendelsohn,
::the Skrull from Captain Marvel, they said
::Mads Mikkelsen,
::Giancarlo Esposito of Breaking Bad,
::Brian Rauch.
::The name was just in there
::when you think of these actors.
::I agree.
::People are like,
::I got to see this Rauch
::everybody's talking about.
::That handsome motherfucker
::should have been new.
::Yeah.
::Can you believe this Roush?
::That's what happened.
::We weren't there to buzz you
::up around the water cooler.
::That's what happened.
::It's all right.
::It's all right.
::We'll talk more about it.
::And you got to go back a few
::podcasts because at one
::point I got so frustrated
::with Dr. Doom casting news
::that I was like, it's me.
::Just shut up.
::It's me.
::Everybody, everyone be quiet.
::Which also I'm very excited
::to talk about because like
::nobody got this right.
::Nobody had the link.
::Nobody had the exclusive.
::all that BS from like,
::I won't name the sites right now,
::but a lot of the sites that are like,
::we have inside information.
::Like, no, you don't shut up.
::Clearly you didn't stop it.
::I'm so sorry that Brian
::Roush was the impetus for
::all not being got to do
::terrible things that happened.
::oh okay flooded basement
::sucks I've I've been there
::that is not I have to it's
::not fun but I will say to
::anybody going through it
::like it's it's a one day at
::a time situation it's don't
::don't try to take it all at
::once you'll yeah burn
::yourself out so I hope I
::I'm sending good vibes I
::hope we can put on a good
::show for you tonight
::because I want to take at
::least a little bit of that
::a little bit of that away
::at least hopefully we can do that
::At least your third thing is
::Brian not being Dr. Doom.
::Yeah,
::I appreciate that as a rule of three.
::There's two things there.
::I'm really happy that Brian
::not being Dr. Doom is the third thing.
::Thanks, Doug.
::Well, just of the things that could happen,
::there are worse third things.
::I worked hard by doing zero
::effort to get that role, okay?
::Well, and it shows, Brian.
::Yeah, it does.
::Sometimes nepotism should kick in harder,
::even though there's no nepotism.
::Even though Brian's not related to anyone.
::There's no nepotism.
::Yeah, no, yeah.
::But it should just kick in.
::My grandpa, way back when,
::when he worked on the railroad,
::he tried to make a go of it in Hollywood.
::Burned out.
::He came back.
::My dad's dad is from Latveria,
::so I don't understand the problem here.
::What did Remy Lebeau say?
::Remember it.
::That's all they need to do.
::Remember it.
::Who are you?
::Who are you?
::Doug, how are you, Doug?
::Who the fuck?
::Cerrone?
::Paul Cerrone?
::Doug Paul Cerrone.
::How are you doing?
::I'm doing real great because
::I watched Jon Voight clips
::from Anaconda today.
::Oh, man.
::They've made me so happy.
::Angelina Jolie's dad.
::Angelina Jolie's dad did a
::really bad Hispanic accent
::for a whole movie.
::No, he didn't.
::It's Angelina Jolie.
::No, he said Angelina.
::I'm going to run this back
::because sometimes y'all be
::telling me I'm wrong and
::I'll run it back on the pot
::day and I'll be very right sometimes.
::He said Angelina Jolie.
::Angelina Jolie.
::I mean, Angelina.
::So I didn't give it the Joe
::that the French.
::What is it, Brian?
::What's her name?
::Angelina Jolie.
::I felt like he said it right.
::Okay, wait a minute.
::Am I wrong?
::I thought her name was Angelina Jolene.
::Oh, no.
::It's not Jolene.
::No, it's Jolie.
::Is it Jolie?
::J-O-L-E.
::Angelina Jolie.
::I've never said Jolie.
::I don't know why I thought
::that that was it.
::Angelina Jolie.
::Okay, my bad.
::I was wrong.
::What you talking about, Marcus?
::I don't know.
::But anyway,
::this man did a whole-ass
::Hispanic accent for an entire movie.
::And then he looked at people like this.
::Wait,
::his character is supposed to be a
::Latino heritage?
::My AKA is his character's
::name for this whole movie.
::Wow.
::You tell me.
::Does that name sound like
::you think you're in trouble?
::Do you think that's... It's
::been a long time.
::It's like Tropic Thunder.
::It's all over the place.
::With less believability, basically.
::It is shocking.
::I bet Jennifer Lopez had no
::problem with that.
::I heard Ice Cube were like,
::this motherfucker?
::They had to be that way this whole movie.
::Brian,
::I am flabbergasted that you have not
::seen that movie.
::I would have thought of all
::people on this podcast.
::Yeah, that did shock me.
::You would have seen it.
::We got to add it to the you
::haven't seen what list.
::To be honest,
::I don't want to put Brian on Front Street,
::but to hear he hadn't seen
::Sister Egg 1 and 2 and
::Anaconda in the same week.
::Why you got to do me like this?
::That put you on the Doug
::level of I can't believe
::you a little bit.
::My list is like 20 long.
::Brian's was three until this
::weekend where he crossed two of them off.
::Let's not let me escape criticism here.
::Doug is still Doug.
::He's still the highest on
::the motherfucker who should
::see movies as a movie podcaster.
::Yeah, he has not.
::Brian was just more shocking like, oh,
::Brian, come on, man.
::I know.
::Well, I mean, look,
::I grew up in like some of
::the whitest of the whitest suburbs.
::And the only time I was
::exposed to Sister Act was
::like the movie poster in
::the in the video in the video store.
::And I was like,
::that's Whoopi Goldberg as a nun anyway.
::So when I said this,
::because Maggie watched both
::of the Deadpool movies with
::me and it came out,
::I hadn't seen Sister Act.
::She was like after Deadpool,
::like you get that Deadpool one and two.
::But after that.
::sister act and I was like
::that's so maggie held my
::hand and we went on a
::sister act voyage and uh
::yeah honestly great
::wholesome movies like on
::like I just I feel like our
::world is so cynical now
::that like if you made a
::movie like that people
::would be like this is so
::cheesy and like like it's
::way too earnest but like
::man it's just so wholesome
::because like whoopi
::goldberg just wants to help
::these people and she like
::doesn't want to but then
::she does I don't know it's
::nice that's nice and
::there's some singing I love
::singing as we know from our
::in the heights review um
::which go check that out if
::you want a good time yeah I
::hear about antonio bandera
::isn't it I'm so sorry I
::didn't think that'd come up
::You know what?
::I'm more proud of it because
::it was so wild that it's
::like I have no choice but
::to just wear it as a badge of honor.
::Such a wild episode.
::All right.
::Yeah, for sure.
::Also, Brian, to your credit,
::Brittany has not seen Anaconda.
::And when I showed her picture,
::when I showed her clips of
::Jon Voight's voice, she made this face.
::She made the stink face and then she goes,
::turn it off.
::Just get it out of here.
::I can't.
::I'm going to make her watch
::that and say it's because
::you haven't seen it.
::The hatred of Brian picks continue.
::Excellent.
::Excellent.
::Roman Meyer is one of my
::grandma's favorite movies.
::Anaconda or?
::I know, right?
::Yeah.
::Oddly enough, it's Anaconda.
::Also,
::so we have the chat going for those
::that are listening to us on
::our audio adventure.
::You'll hear us reading
::random comments that these
::are our live viewers,
::as you can join us live
::every Monday at 8 p.m.
::when we record on all of our socials,
::including Instagram now.
::And you can join the conversation there.
::You can also join in the
::conversation and get some
::private perks by joining
::our Patreon family, our Patty family.
::I'll give you advice on flooded basements.
::That's when I knew to get a new sump pump.
::So welcome to sump pumps in
::black and white.
::Sump pump it up.
::Home ownership in black and white.
::I'm sorry Roman has had a rough 24 hours.
::That's a rough go, man.
::That's tough, man.
::That is rough.
::Well, gentlemen,
::we have a whole ass podcast to get to.
::We got a lot of ground to cover.
::So I'm going to pivot on us on over,
::excuse me,
::to... Do not get your weekly
::therapy from us.
::Go to a certified therapist, please.
::BetterHelp doesn't sponsor us.
::We cannot help you.
::They are so much better at this.
::Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
::But we are going to play a
::little game we like to play.
::Catch that quotable.
::Gentlemen, give me a minute.
::This quote is a full-on paragraph.
::I'm not kidding.
::I'm going to start reading
::this and then set the timer
::because it's going to be a lot.
::Is everybody ready to give
::me their attention for the
::paragraph that is this quote?
::Hit me!
::Hit me.
::It is strange to think,
::I haven't seen you since a month.
::Thank you.
::i next compete in the city
::of paris I will find it
::empty in the winter if you
::are not there hope guides
::me that is what gets me
::through the day and
::especially the night the
::hope that after you're gone
::from my sight it will not
::be the last time that I
::look upon you okay the only
::detail someone's competing
::in paris this is a rom-com
::this is a love letter what
::rom-coms have a competition in paris
::Y'all, I think I know what this is.
::You have to read it again.
::I don't know what it is.
::I will read it again,
::but I think I know what this is.
::Doug, read me your beautiful poetry.
::It is strange to think I
::haven't seen you since a month.
::I have seen the new moon.
::Oh, I know what this is.
::I have seen sunsets and sunrises.
::Nothing of your beautiful face.
::The pieces of my broken
::heart are so small they
::could be passed through the
::eye of a needle.
::I miss you like the sun misses the flower,
::like the sun misses the
::flower in the depths of winter.
::Instead of beauty to direct its light to,
::the heart hardens like the
::frozen world your absence
::has banished me to.
::I next compete in the city of Paris.
::I will find it empty in the
::winter if you are not there.
::Hope guides me.
::That is what gets me through
::the day and especially the night.
::The hope that after you're
::gone from my sight,
::it will not be the last
::time that I look upon you.
::I know what this is.
::Do you want me to read it in
::a southern accent?
::No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
::no, no.
::I have seen the new moon, but not you.
::I have seen the sunsets and sunrises,
::but nothing of your beautiful face.
::That's disgusting.
::That changed the whole vibe of the quote.
::I'm going to put the timer on.
::Pieces of my broken heart
::are so tall they could be
::passed through the avenue.
::This feels like Tow Mater
::doing this right now.
::Yee-haw!
::Oh, God.
::And Paris works because there's a Paris,
::Georgia.
::Yeah, go ahead.
::Start that timer.
::I already started it when
::you were on your... I don't
::know what this is.
::This is a Knight's Tale, right?
::Oh,
::Maggie's going to be so mad when she
::listens.
::Okay, that's one of her favorite movies.
::This is a knight's tale.
::We're just riding with it?
::No, it's definitely a knight's tale.
::It's definitely a knight's tale.
::Funny enough,
::when you did read it the second time,
::so the first time when Doug read it,
::he was reading it because
::he didn't know what he was reading.
::The second time he read it,
::he read it with more confidence,
::and then I felt it was the...
::it's, it's that it's lovey dovey flowery,
::like that kind of poetry language.
::Yeah.
::Poetry.
::Yeah.
::Paul Bettany writes the
::letter that William sends.
::Yeah.
::That's right.
::Vision writes the letter
::that the Joker sends.
::Yes, that's true.
::Yes, that's right.
::Almost every actor that a kid will know,
::I was thinking about it
::when Brian said that
::trailer of Hugh Jackman.
::um everybody in that trailer
::has been in a comic book
::movie so they will be
::forever associated with oh
::that's who plays amanda
::waller yeah first uh road
::and you know I mean like
::that's what kids will
::always associate people
::with when they go back to
::the classics now yep I
::agree kind of crazy I'm not
::gonna say it from jersey
::shore because I've done
::enough done enough accents
::one accent pod for us yeah yeah
::Well, there we go.
::We got it, y'all.
::How much money did we get now?
::Where are we at?
::I don't know.
::We'll find out when he decides.
::He must have left.
::Unless he's withholding the
::dollar amount until I say
::it like I'm from a Jersey car.
::No, he didn't.
::We're at 90 whole dollars, baby.
::Join us next week where we
::will maybe hit the... I mean,
::I won't be here, so maybe... I mean,
::I didn't provide anything this week.
::Okay.
::What are we going to do?
::I'm not going to be here either.
::I'm boycotting.
::You're boycotting.
::You all don't want a Doug only episode.
::Just turn into Larry King really quickly.
::Why?
::Midnight Suns issue.
::I'll be smoking a cigarette
::for some reason.
::Have you ever thought about
::how the world always gets
::older and older but you don't?
::Oh my god.
::Yep, it's an hour and a half of that.
::So strap in.
::Gentlemen,
::there is a little festival that
::we like to call...
::Comic Con.
::I love that festival.
::Favorite comic festival.
::Favorite comic festival full
::with balloons and clowns and rides.
::But gentlemen,
::we have San Diego Comic Con
::took place over the weekend.
::There were some large announcements.
::So I'm going to actually
::turn it over to Marcus because Marcus,
::I think,
::is the person who probably paid
::the most attention out of
::the three of us.
::And so, hey,
::Marcus, take it away.
::Yeah, Brian, what's up?
::I just want to say, before Marcus goes on,
::we do have someone in the
::chat that says if we could
::get Doug to pre-record two
::videos and interact with them for the pod,
::we'll get a $100 donation.
::90-minute monster and all.
::What the fuck do you think of that?
::Don't attack me like that.
::I don't deserve this bullshit.
::I'm just saying that is
::something in the chat that
::we can decide on at another point.
::I think I'd decide yes.
::Marcus, take it away.
::Live from SDCC coverage.
::Live from the San Diego Comic Festival.
::I did a little bit of paying
::attention because I was
::interested to see what was
::going to happen.
::Marvel was back at Hall H
::for their bigger reveals
::and they really focused on
::what seemed to be three movies,
::four movies.
::Three?
::Three movies.
::I'd say three.
::Three movies at this time.
::Really making some official,
::official announcements.
::Also, DC Comic Con was there,
::so I'm going to just roll
::through some of the things that we saw.
::We got a lot of
::announcements about the Fantastic Four,
::which changed or added to their name.
::It's called Fantastic Four First Steps,
::and that's going to be
::hitting theaters July 25th, 2025.
::I do believe that it's a
::double entendre for them getting their...
::The director already said
::that this movie is not going to pick up.
::It's not going to show them
::going to space and getting their powers.
::It's going to show them like, yeah,
::no origin story for us.
::It's going to show them like
::a little bit already
::established and already
::having their powers and
::going from there a little bit.
::And there was the trailer
::did also leak online.
::So you can go find that the
::footage that they showed at
::the Comic-Con of the Fantastic Four.
::I did watch it and it looks really,
::really good.
::It does look very good.
::It looks good, but like most, I mean,
::I wasn't able to find like a clean cut.
::So if like you're someone that's like,
::I want the official thing.
::This is not for you.
::This is like smuggled,
::smuggled point of view footage.
::And it looked fine from what I saw.
::But I definitely, I mean,
::they've only been filming for a month.
::So I was surprised they had
::this much footage.
::Yeah.
::I mean, they showed a lot in the footage.
::You get to see clear shots,
::as clear as you can from a
::phone to a screen.
::But like clear shots of the Fantastic Four,
::clear shots.
::You get like a shadowy image
::of what the thing kind of
::will look like or resemble a little bit.
::And it's like a lot of fun stuff there.
::So they showed some of that.
::They talked a little bit
::about the cast on stage.
::That was what that was.
::Then they also got into a
::little bit of the Thunderbolts,
::kind of explaining what the
::Thunderbolts story will be.
::sebastian stan really took
::the lead on that um you
::kind of see he is going to
::be the leader of the
::thunderbolt it was
::confirmed that he that
::winter soldier is the
::leader of the thunderbolts
::according to one of the
::trades I i think it was
::variety but I was surprised
::that they made such a
::declaration about that yeah
::yeah it was I and he went
::on to say how like how
::fantastic the cast is like
::he's all like you know like
::they're supposed to but yeah um
::That movie is going to be coming soon.
::I'm trying to see when the
::date was for... I mean,
::Thunderbolts is May.
::May 5th, 2025.
::It's less than a year, which is wild.
::So it says it's supposed to
::be like Yelena is depressed
::and sad and that they all
::basically get...
::since on the same mission
::but they don't know it and
::so then they run into each
::other and then they become
::oh my gosh that sounds like
::so much fun yeah yeah it's
::like hunger games but like
::oops you didn't know you
::were competing oh my gosh
::that sounds like so much fun yeah
::And then one of the biggest
::things that happened that
::night was Robert Downey Jr.
::made a guest appearance.
::Well, first, before we even got there,
::the Russo brothers who
::directed Avengers Endgame
::and Infinity War are back officially.
::So they will be directing
::what is now going to be
::Avengers Doomsday and
::Avengers Secret Wars.
::And for Avengers Doomsday,
::you guessed it's going to
::be about Dr. Doom, I'm guessing,
::or the introduction of Dr. Doom.
::I did see another report
::that said Doomsday will also wrap up
::Kang storyline too as well.
::Interesting.
::And so you'll have those two
::movies directed by the Russo brothers.
::We're just going to open up
::with a shot of Jonathan Majors in jail.
::Look, we wrapped it up.
::Oh my god.
::Anyway.
::Go ahead.
::No, I...
::Honestly,
::I've been wondering how Marvel's
::going to do this, and it makes me laugh,
::because, like,
::I don't think they can be mean about it.
::I just don't feel like
::that's what the MCU could do,
::but also at the same time,
::you gave me this mental picture of, like,
::before they do, like, the big, you know,
::triumphant opening music, it's just like,
::okay, we know.
::It's just Kevin Feige.
::It's like Kevin Feige going, like,
::Yeah, it's just like the deep breath.
::well, there's the movie.
::He doesn't say anything.
::He just goes.
::There's a scroll at the
::bottom that says Kevin
::Feige speaks about Jonathan Majors.
::You can kind of put it together,
::but nothing official.
::It's weird because it's going to say,
::it usually says,
::you'll see this hero again
::in the Avengers Infinity War.
::It doesn't want to say,
::Jonathan Majors is not coming back.
::That's it.
::No one has seen it since.
::But, yeah,
::so then it was announced that the big bad,
::the biggest bad that we've
::all been waiting for,
::who's going to play Dr. Doom,
::is going to be played by
::none other than Robert Downey Jr.,
::who's going to be making
::his triumphant return where he said,
::new mask, same task.
::And so, yeah, he back.
::He won all his awards and
::then bought his ass right back.
::I think the funniest part
::about this is Gwyneth Paltrow,
::who tweeted underneath like
::a post of his making the announcements,
::was like, I don't get it.
::Are you a baddie now?
::Yeah.
::So, yeah, that was pretty cool.
::That's definitely on par for
::Gwyneth Paltrow.
::Yeah,
::she doesn't know what's going on in
::Marvel.
::Avengers Doomsday will come out May 2026.
::Avengers Secret War will
::come out May 2027.
::So that's it for the Avengers stuff,
::and then I can kind of get into...
::Well, why don't we take a pit stop here?
::Because I feel like Rousseau
::is coming back for Secret
::Wars and Doomsday.
::And to clarify,
::Secret Wars is now the
::sixth Avengers movie.
::It was the fifth.
::It's now the sixth.
::And now Doomsday is taking
::that Secret Wars spot,
::if I'm understanding it correctly,
::which was previously Kang's dynasty.
::So...
::The other thing that is
::obviously we have Robert Downey Jr.
::And then Stephen McFeely was
::announced that he will be
::writing Secret Wars and Doomsday.
::Oh, yeah.
::And he wrote Infinity War and Game.
::I mean, he did Captain America Civil War.
::He's done Winter Soldier.
::He's done quite a bit of Marvel.
::Let's just leave it at that.
::So let's take a pit stop.
::How do we feel about all this?
::Uh, I feel... Okay, here's my thing.
::I was kind of defending it last night,
::playing devil's advocate.
::I see why this makes sense
::to bring our DJ back into
::this world and into this role.
::I think that there is very...
::split reviews but I can see
::how this could be very
::successful it's a cheat
::code to go with the Russo
::brothers plus Robert Downey Jr.
::because we saw the successes
::of the Russo brothers and
::Robert Downey Jr.
::the first time and it seems
::like that's what Marvel is
::trying to get back to
::I don't think that they
::needed this if they would
::have just done Fantastic Four, right?
::Yeah.
::You could have found somebody else.
::What I hope,
::and then I'm going to pass the mic,
::is that Robert Downey Jr.
::variant dies.
::He does his thing, does his big work.
::He dies,
::and they introduce a Doom that is
::inspired,
::that thinks he was smarter than
::Tony and Reed,
::and it's the actual Doom variant.
::victor von doom of this
::universe but you gotta you
::gotta have this inspiration
::first that then takes over
::the technology and makes it
::his own like that kind of
::realm that's what I hope
::right doug go ahead no doug
::go um brian no I i haven't
::oh look I'll say this I have an open mind
::There is,
::this is classic Marvel where
::they'll drop a bombshell,
::but there are no context clues.
::It's just like, here's who's playing them.
::Bye.
::Like that's literally all this was.
::There was no like,
::and here's a little bit of the story.
::Or if you're curious,
::read fantastic for six 37.
::Like there was none of that.
::Yeah.
::So because there is no additional context,
::um,
::I have to say that I am a
::little disappointed by the announcement.
::And I'm a little... Not
::because I don't feel like
::Robert Downey Jr.
::is good for the MCU.
::I would say not that I don't
::think the Russo brothers
::are good for the MCU.
::I mean, they obviously have this...
::piece of it,
::like they have this corner
::that's carved out for them
::where they did such a great job.
::My concern is
::What new things can we
::expect them to give us?
::Yeah.
::Good question.
::Great question.
::All I have is questions.
::Did you know he was supposed
::to play Dr. Doom in the
::2005 Fantastic Four?
::Was he really?
::Robert Downey Jr.
::was almost played Dr. Doom in that.
::I can tell you the route
::that I want this to go that
::would make me happy is that
::he is not a Tony variant.
::And that we actually never
::see his face and that this
::is literally he is playing
::a Victor Von Doom,
::but because he can do the voice well,
::he can do the mannerisms well,
::he can capture that sort of
::like gravitas that I would
::expect Victor Von Doom to have.
::If he is a Tony variant,
::then I am with Marcus.
::If they do not kill him off,
::I'm not going to be happy
::with this choice overall.
::Oh, man.
::Okay.
::Wow.
::And he has to die.
::I'm sorry.
::He has to.
::You cannot keep RDJ around
::to just be this ever living.
::Right.
::thing because Tony died
::either way you take away
::from the sacrifice that was
::made if he lives you ruin
::the fact that oh fuck
::that's our hero walking
::around as a villain now and
::if he dies I don't like he
::has to die there is no other option
::I don't know what else there is.
::Yes.
::I honestly, this is a decision that like,
::I, I said this in our chat,
::but this is this type of casting decision,
::this type of idea of casting a,
::one of your most well-known
::protagonists for 10, 10 movies.
::as the major villain this is
::it it's a do or die moment
::for marvel and I'm not
::trying to be like I'm not
::trying to exaggerate or be
::hyperbolic but I think I do
::think um they listen to our
::podcast I'm kidding I do
::think they know I do think they do what i
::I feel like the MCU knows or
::the folks that are involved
::with it know the audience
::feedback and they
::understand that people have
::not really enjoyed the
::multiverse saga because
::it's felt very disconnected.
::And if you're looking for
::something to make a splash
::and like regain some of that viewership,
::I understand why you choose
::Robert Downey Jr.
::Oh, for sure.
::Like, I get it.
::It's a name we all know who are fans,
::but you risk alienating
::this group of people kind
::of like us who are like,
::we've been here the whole time,
::and you're bringing back somebody...
::Who had probably one of the
::most perfect send-offs in a
::movie franchise ever.
::Like a full circle moment.
::He ends his first movie that
::kicks off the whole fucking
::thing with I Am Iron Man.
::And he finishes it right
::before he snaps his fingers
::with the same line.
::Yeah.
::And it's perfect.
::It's perfect.
::And it was sad and and and painful.
::But it was it was perfect.
::So I think you have a huge task.
::Like it's a double edged sword.
::Yes,
::you get all these people that are
::hyped about Robert Downey Jr.,
::myself included.
::But how you make a
::performance and a story to
::make people not bring all
::that baggage to doom.
::It's hard.
::You fight with one hand behind your back.
::Yeah.
::is a gargantuan task and
::look robert downey jr I'm
::not gonna bet against him
::because this man was like
::I'm gonna put the whole mcu
::on my back and I'm gonna
::make it work for 10 years
::and he did and then he said
::I'm done I'm gonna go get
::an oscar and he did and he
::did and so now he's back
::and he's saying he also did
::dr do little in that time
::he had time to talk to
::animals oh yeah for sure
::I'm not going to bet against him.
::No, no, no, no.
::You can't bet against him.
::Go ahead, Marcus.
::No, no, go ahead.
::You can't bet against him.
::but I think we're all one of
::the constant problems of that.
::We've heard time and time
::again from some corners of
::folks who have tried to
::watch pieces of the multiverse saga.
::And that's the best way to
::put it is this is confusing.
::Is that the person I know?
::Is that a different person?
::And my fear,
::my knee-jerk reaction worry is
::what better way than to
::more thoroughly confuse
::those folks than to say,
::here's Robert Downey Jr.
::Because if you see his face,
::I can see it now.
::There are going to be wives
::and girlfriends who go to
::these movies for the first time.
::And they're going to go,
::we watched this yesterday.
::Didn't he die?
::And they're going to be like, no, no, no,
::no, no.
::That's a different person.
::That's a conversation that's coming.
::Yeah.
::That is going to be a post
::dinner pre movie conversation.
::Yes.
::Repeated millions of times.
::That is a driving back from
::a car and you are like, oh man,
::it was so good, babe.
::What did you think about it?
::And she goes, oh yeah, it was fun.
::but I thought Robert Downey Jr.
::died.
::Then they're going to be
::doing dishes a week later.
::And they're going to be like,
::but how can he come back
::and play the same person?
::Because it's not like, that's,
::this is what's happening.
::No, it doesn't happen.
::Okay.
::I'm going to play devil's advocate.
::Oh, great.
::To what though?
::To what?
::I only got little pieces
::because I ain't got much
::because I'm in full
::agreeance with what y'all saying.
::I'm going to say this is not
::the devil's advocate part.
::I like this.
::I understand it.
::business wise strictly
::business wise you're right
::brian is absolutely correct
::this is do or fucking die
::that's it that's the bottom
::line yeah what do you do
::when it's do or fucking die
::you go back to your bread
::and butter baby yeah I mean
::whose hands do you put it
::in to win the championship
::you put it in kobe's hands
::you like that you put it in
::the here's the thing here's
::my advocacy you put it in
::the all right doug wagner
::you are kevin feige
::You need to make a move that
::Marvel has been slipping
::because in the chat, Brian Roush,
::didn't we make the list of
::Phase 5 movies that on
::paper look like they should have hit
::But it really was like
::throwing bullshit at a wall.
::Is that correct?
::That is the vibe of Phase 5.
::It should have worked, and it didn't.
::Yes, it should have worked, but it didn't.
::Now, Doug,
::you know your Phase 5 in the
::midst of all the Disney bullshit,
::Disney fighting Florida,
::Disney fighting Chapstick,
::Disney just doing too
::goddamn much at once.
::you know it's do or die
::everybody's saying the
::public's saying Marvel is
::dead these motherfuckers
::done fell off this is
::before Deadpool and
::Wolverine because these
::talks have been in they've
::been in talks for a while
::they've been in discussions
::to make this comeback for a
::while because the rumors
::were always there we just
::didn't think he was coming
::back literally actually two
::weeks before this
::announcement I dropped it
::in the chat and Brian said
::this is so comic booky I
::don't think that they could
::do it it's true
::Right?
::It seems like a lot.
::I'm going to go down this list.
::Thank you, Brian.
::Ant-Man and the Wasp, Quantumania,
::February 17, 2023.
::Guardians of the Galaxy, Volume 3,
::May 5th,
::2023.
::The Marvels, November 10th, 2023.
::Deadpool and Wolverine, July 26th, 2024.
::Captain America Brave New World,
::February 14th, 2025.
::And Thunderbolts, May 2nd, 2025.
::That is your Phase 5.
::With your first three movies,
::the best of the three is
::the one that's most
::disconnected from them all,
::which is Guardians of the Galaxy,
::Volume 3.
::Is everybody with me still?
::I'm with you.
::It's a business decision.
::So I understand a business
::decision of being like, listen,
::like Doug said,
::who hand do you put it in
::when it's time to go to the fucking ring?
::I'm going Braun, Braun.
::Okay?
::I'm going Braun.
::Now, who else's hands do you put it in?
::Braun with a championship ring.
::Yeah.
::With an Oscar.
::He doesn't have many of those.
::He...
::What the fuck?
::What the fuck?
::Oh, wow.
::Why would you toss a hand
::grenade into a situation like this?
::Because I'm here for chaos, baby!
::What the fuck?
::It ain't me you gotta see.
::It's LeBron James.
::Yeah, that's fine.
::He doesn't have a bag of
::weights he can bring.
::Yeah, bring your basketballs.
::He don't.
::He's just gonna dunk on your
::punk ass in your parking
::lot in your driveway.
::What if I don't stand there?
::So you're going to give it
::to LeBron fucking James.
::Oscar winning RDJ who just
::was in fucking I don't know.
::Or his performance in Space Jam 2.
::But you're going to give it to him
::Because now he's got some
::dirt on his name to be
::Oscar winning RDJ coming
::back to Marvel to play Dr. Doom.
::Is it my first choice?
::No,
::but I can see the direction because the
::stories you can tell from that alone.
::First of all, Pedro Pascal.
::And RDJ on screen together.
::Absolutely.
::That's got to happen.
::Spider-Man, Tom Holland,
::facing the face of his mentor,
::his father figure.
::Now a villain and a baddie.
::That's got to happen.
::All of the former Avengers
::having to face the smartest
::fucking man on the planet.
::OK,
::you got to face that now in the face of
::a villain who knows the ins and outs,
::who knows he can use that against you.
::You got to go to dinner that evening like,
::oh, yeah,
::I hate to punch Tony in the face.
::But what else are we going to do?
::This motherfucker is causing
::like wreaking havoc.
::I get it.
::I get the business decision.
::I see where you could go with the stories.
::Is it my favorite?
::No.
::Go ahead, Doug.
::I have nothing.
::It's I you're not I mean,
::you're not wrong.
::I see the business decision.
::And I guess I shouldn't be
::surprised that Disney's
::making a financial choice
::because Disney is still Disney.
::Disney's still dizzy.
::They still need to.
::There has still been increased pressure,
::especially since new Bob
::took over for all of this
::to sort of the days of
::putting it out fast,
::the days of doing it.
::quickly without any care.
::Like all of that are the days gone by.
::Also not surprising that we
::see Robert Downey Jr.
::Back in the saddle with a
::Bob Iger in charge.
::Great point.
::Surprising there.
::So this is, this is everybody.
::This is, this is every,
::this is the Rolling Stones.
::Playing their classic hits.
::I have another point.
::Yes.
::To that point.
::What did Bob Iger say?
::There was going to be a lot
::more of when it came to
::movies within Disney.
::All sequels, baby.
::Sequels and spin-offs.
::So what is this then?
::What do you call this?
::This is a glorified fucking sequel.
::I mean, it's a sequel performance.
::Is that what you said?
::It's a fucking encore
::because Bob Iger wants to
::make fucking money.
::Yeah.
::Yeah.
::I don't, I don't disagree.
::And I feel like this is, it's so,
::it's so safe.
::It's so safe.
::And I'm not, I don't know.
::I'm willing to give it a chance,
::but I also understand the
::criticism that I'm reading,
::especially since we know Giancarlo,
::or Giancarlo,
::Giancarlo Esposito.
::Thank you.
::I was struggling with that.
::We know he met with Marvel
::and his team said that he
::met about Dr. Doom.
::Ben Mendelsohn said that he
::would give his teeth to play Dr. Doom.
::Those were the two confirmed
::in interviews that we knew
::had interest and at least
::had a conversation with Marvel.
::Everything else was just
::totally up in the air.
::So like, I just, I guess I want to,
::the thing that I'm curious about,
::obviously, RDJ is a business decision.
::But how did they get there?
::And I can't wait for that book.
::That's what I want to know.
::Yeah.
::Like that won't come out for
::another 10 years.
::We're not going to know that
::until the movie comes out.
::Who talked to each other first?
::Was it RDJ and the Russo
::brothers or was it?
::I mean,
::what did Kevin Feige see that he's like,
::we got to call him.
::We got to call Tony.
::Like, right.
::Like, what did he see?
::What did he see on the board
::that he's like, we got to get RDJ back.
::Like, was it a, was it an audition?
::Was it a certain vibe?
::Was it a creative decision?
::Cause like something
::happened and it's very hard
::for me to believe they
::didn't have enough talent.
::Cause I bet a ton of people
::would have loved a doctor
::that I would have loved to see.
::Try it.
::Yeah.
::But if this is the end of your, all right,
::this is me, my theory.
::And I know we got to move on.
::This is the end of this
::version and iteration of
::the MCU before the mutants
::come and take over everything.
::Right.
::Good point.
::Do you want to start a new story, I guess,
::with this new actor of a
::familiar character?
::Or is it better to just do
::somebody you know?
::Because we've already introduced variants.
::We know that they exist.
::We said this a long time ago.
::Variants are a cop-out.
::Whenever I'm ready to recast,
::whenever I'm ready to pull
::anybody else that I fucking
::want to in because I can...
::Marvel was the smartest by
::introducing a variant and
::everybody was like, yep.
::Just like they did with nanotech.
::Yep.
::Everybody was, they,
::nobody questioned when the
::actual costumes,
::you pull a mask over and
::nobody got to touch any,
::like you had to pull it over.
::Nobody said nothing.
::When in infinity war, that motherfucker,
::Tony touched his chest and
::everything had to right back.
::You know what I mean?
::I feel like this is the end
::of this certain iteration
::of this 616 timeline.
::And then when you get to
::Secret Wars and Tony and
::this Doctor Doom variant
::style is the one that is
::the final toe-to-toe
::whatever the fuck it is.
::And they reboot this motherfucker.
::Yeah.
::I think you don't want to do
::nothing with nobody new.
::You can introduce a new doom
::on this earth because at a later point,
::but I think that's maybe
::that's what they saw.
::Yeah.
::Yeah.
::That's right.
::You asked me a pointed question.
::Then we'll move on.
::The question you asked was
::if I'm Kevin Feige,
::what decision am I making differently?
::And I can tell you the chief among them,
::the decision I'm making differently.
::which is I am not treating
::Dr. Doom like it was a
::rushed homework assignment
::that I woke up on Monday
::morning and forgot about
::when I had a whole fucking
::weekend to figure it out.
::I don't think that's fair, Doug,
::and I don't think that's fair,
::and I don't think that's true.
::Let me tell you why it's not
::fair and it's not true.
::Because you're forgetting.
::Okay, I would agree with you.
::I'm an elephant.
::On a homeboy level, I agree with you.
::OK,
::on a we work in systems and I hate to
::do that.
::There are more people that
::are above you that Kevin
::Feige ain't in all control
::as we think he is.
::So when the big,
::big dog says we need to
::make money and it better
::knock it out the park.
::What are you going to do?
::I'm going to my bread and fucking butter.
::And sometimes I don't have a
::say so in that.
::Bob Iger's the one that said
::we're doing more sequels
::and I thoroughly believe he
::meant that shit by do what you know.
::With his whole chest.
::Do what you know.
::We need to make it out of
::the park and do what you know.
::Here's the reason why I push back on that.
::It's because we know the process.
::We know because there was a
::whole ass book written about it.
::We know the process where
::they sit there and they
::don't plan out the next two.
::They plan them in phases.
::Right.
::and so what I what I am
::wondering is there are
::times where we have talked
::about it on this podcast
::where we have said this is
::a great chance for you to
::just introduce that idea
::and not to like pivot us
::into the movie we're going
::to talk about we thought it
::was possible in Deadpool
::and Wolverine we were like
::maybe there are from the
::footage we saw so there's a
::part of me that's like you
::could have teased this guy
::being there somewhere right
::And you didn't?
::Not with Jonathan Majors.
::I'm sorry.
::And you're right.
::You're absolutely right.
::That is the stick in our bicycle tires.
::It throws everybody off the ride.
::It is what it is.
::But that's kind of where I go,
::what would I have done differently?
::I don't know.
::I guess...
::laid the foundation a little bit more,
::but that's,
::that's if all things are perfect.
::If I had,
::and that's with hindsight being 2020,
::I would have been like,
::I would have laid the
::foundation a bit more
::because then we could maybe
::see where you're going
::because this is an abrupt announcement.
::Like there are a lot of
::people are excited about it.
::There are some people who
::are scratching their heads.
::And there are some folks who are like,
::what the fuck?
::This is such a big thing.
::Let's be honest.
::It's a business decision and a Band-Aid.
::Because Jonathan Majors,
::you had to fix the Kang situation.
::Yes.
::Because your Avengers movie
::was called Avengers Kang Dynasty.
::It was an entire movie about fucking Kang,
::not Doom.
::And I don't think Doom was
::supposed to come until...
::maybe the second Fantastic
::Four film or Phase Six later on.
::They had to expedite shit
::and this was the band-aid of being like,
::hey, hey, look at this.
::You see that?
::Yeah.
::Also,
::the fact that it's not in a
::post-credits tease or it's
::not in a cameo reveal,
::I think it's also something
::to take note of here.
::They want people to know
::this is coming and you
::don't even have to go see a movie.
::It's nothing like the Thanos reveal.
::right and I feel like that's
::also really telling and the
::other the last thing I
::think I'll say on this is
::like what when I used to
::watch professional
::wrestling um this is going
::somewhere I promise no no
::uh yeah like basically if
::there's a match canceled
::for any reason and you
::gotta you gotta book a new
::match you that new match
::has to have better talent right
::Yes, it has on both sides.
::Yes.
::Regardless of what the previous match was,
::no matter how good it was,
::the new match has to have
::better talent because you
::need to have people forget
::what you were going to go
::see and be more hyped about
::what they're going to see
::that they don't really care
::that the match got canceled.
::They get to see this.
::And I feel like that is part
::of the philosophy here,
::because I'll be honest,
::it worked on me in the
::moment of just like, I don't care.
::I don't care about Kang.
::I don't care about majors.
::I like RDJ is going to be Dr. Doom.
::Like that's that's wild.
::Yeah.
::So it worked at least on me in the moment.
::We'll see how it lasts and
::how general audiences are OK with it.
::Like I'm waiting for my mom
::to be super confused.
::She's going to hear RDJ is coming back,
::but she does not follow the MCU at all.
::But she sees the movies here and there.
::I'm waiting for her to be like,
::but he's Iron Man.
::So fascinated to see how
::this goes with general.
::Yeah.
::Yeah.
::And, and who knows,
::maybe this is their announcement, but,
::telling us what we expect to
::see when fantastic four
::does come out next year.
::Like this is them leaving,
::leaving Reese's pieces to
::get us to follow them to
::where they want us to go.
::I mean, that's a great point.
::Yeah.
::It's to me.
::Yep.
::All right.
::Um,
::we do need to get into Deadpool and
::Wolverine.
::There are a lot more
::announcements from San Diego comic-con,
::um,
::Marcus and I can break them down next
::week a bit more.
::Um, since that's like a news episode,
::some of the DC stuff specifically.
::So I don't want to, those who are DC fans,
::I don't want to like short
::change you cause there's a
::lot to unpack there,
::but we do have a whole ass
::movie to get to.
::So this is your second spoiler warning.
::We are about to spoil the
::fuck out of this.
::So if you have not seen
::Deadpool and Wolverine,
::this is a great place to
::pause and come back at a later date.
::Gentlemen,
::who would like to give us their
::barbershop synopsis for
::Deadpool and Wolverine?
::Brian, you want to?
::Yeah, I got it.
::You know what?
::Sure.
::I'll take my hand.
::All right.
::What had happened was that
::Deadpool is now he doesn't
::know what to do with his life.
::He wants to matter.
::And that's one of the main
::things going on in this movie is
::and uh all of a sudden one
::day the tva picks him up
::and they say hey we we need
::your help we need your help
::to to get you back in the
::main in the main universe
::but the only thing it's
::going to cost you is all of
::your friends and family
::deadpool does not like that
::so he then proceeds to
::fight back against the tva
::where he then ends up in
::the void essentially where
::aliath is where
::where all the rejects are,
::all rejects you could ever think of,
::whether it's from Fox,
::whether it's maybe it
::wasn't even made yet.
::Any characters you can
::imagine are in the void and
::Wolverine shows up
::Because Deadpool is trying
::to get Wolverine back to
::his timeline because he's
::technically an anchor being,
::which might sound similar
::to a Nexus being for any of
::our comic readers.
::That's why Deadpool's universe is dying.
::His Wolverine died.
::And because of that,
::his universe will eventually collapse.
::So this movie is then spent
::trying to get Deadpool and
::Wolverine back to their home universe.
::And I'm going to say some hijinks ensue.
::That's a great job.
::You didn't bury the lead.
::It was perfect.
::Yeah, so well done.
::That was great, Brian.
::Good job.
::Thanks.
::Brian,
::you have the box office off the top
::of your head, right?
::And Brian,
::can you also pull those numbers
::of who was closest?
::Yeah,
::we're going to have to have a chat
::because, yeah, let's see here.
::Cause I was looking at it.
::So I'm going to explain this
::while Brian's looking that up.
::So, so number one,
::shout out to the Vermilion theater,
::our local town.
::They offered Doug and I, Brian too,
::if he was here, but Doug and I got to see,
::have a private showing with
::the crew of the Vermilion theater,
::the coyote twin right here.
::um of Deadpool and the
::Wolverine on Wednesday so
::we were able to go in um
::literally it was just us
::and and the crew and we got
::to you know get popcorn
::like we normally would sit
::in our in our infamous
::seats that we're always
::sitting in um and really
::just laugh as loud as we
::wanted to and they knew who
::we were like they know who
::we are we you know we work
::with them we have some
::exciting stuff coming yeah
::I know right thank god
::because any other theater
::would have kicked our asses out
::But they know we've got some
::fun stuff planned with them
::of an upcoming festival
::we're going to be talking
::about here on the podcast, too,
::and things like that,
::things of that nature.
::Hopefully,
::soon we've got to write about Brian.
::But we were able to watch the movie,
::and it was like a little late midday,
::late night showing.
::We got out a little bit late,
::and it was such a good time.
::So just shout out to Shannon
::Cole and that entire team
::for just welcoming us with
::open arms and rolling out
::the red carpet for us.
::yeah absolutely um brian got
::that number and then I'll
::do cast I sure do the total
::domestically for deadpool
::was 211 million if you
::listen to the episode last
::week we did a secret
::envelope uh I wagered it
::would make 160 million doug
::wagered 286 million and
::marcus wagered 290 million oh
::So none of us were like super duper close.
::The closest was me,
::but I was under by like quite a bit.
::Dog was almost there with 286.
::So, so yeah, we were kind of,
::we were kind of there.
::We had a range.
::we were in the neighborhood
::like we weren't necessarily
::at the house but we were in
::the neighborhood so I'll
::give it to us yeah um and
::it made 444 million
::worldwide so this is the
::highest r-rated opening of
::all time domestic and yeah jesus
::So let's run down cast.
::So Ryan Reynolds plays Wade Wilson.
::Hugh Jackman plays Logan Wolverine.
::Emma Corrin plays Cassandra Nova.
::Matthew McFadden plays Mr. Paradox.
::Daphne Keene reprises her
::role as Laura or X-23.
::Jon Favreau is Happy Hogan.
::Morena Baccarin plays Vanessa.
::Rob Delaney plays Peter.
::Leslie Uggams plays Blind Al.
::Jennifer Gardner is in this as Elektra.
::Wesley Snipes is in this as Blade.
::Channing Tatum comes in this as Gambit.
::Chris Evans plays Johnny Storm.
::Henry Cavill plays the Cavalry.
::Is that what they have him listed as?
::Yes.
::Yes.
::Wunni Mosaku plays B-15.
::Aaron Stanford comes back and plays Pyro.
::Tyler Main plays Sabretooth.
::Karen Soni plays Dolpinder.
::Brianna Hildebrand plays
::Negasonic Teenage Warhead.
::Shilohi Kutsana plays Yukio.
::Stefan Kapek plays Colossus.
::Randall Reeder plays Buck.
::Louis Tan plays Shatterstar.
::Who else is in this?
::That's pretty much it.
::Rob McElhaney plays a TVA soldier.
::That's fun.
::Peggy the dog plays dog pool.
::Blake Lively does the voice
::for Lady Deadpool.
::Nathan Fillion does the
::voice for head pool.
::Matthew McConaughey played cowboy pool.
::No fucking way.
::He's listed in this.
::Paul Mullen,
::a forward for the Welsh football team,
::Wrexham AFC, plays Welsh pool.
::That's amazing.
::And so, yeah, that's a cast.
::So there you go.
::And there are some other people in there,
::too, where there are characters you see,
::but they're not officially credited,
::like Lady Deathstrike was in there.
::Not as if there was no
::official credit because
::there were no speaking lines.
::It was more of a cameo type of deal.
::Gentlemen,
::thoughts on Deadpool and Wolverine?
::I mean, where do you want to start?
::I think if you have a movie,
::and we don't typically rate it,
::I would say a 9 out of 10.
::Easy.
::Easy 9 out of 10.
::this okay this movie is a
::lot of things and I also
::feel like it was hyped as a
::certain thing and I went
::into this movie with the
::expectation that it was
::gonna like do some
::janitorial work on the MCU
::and it didn't and I am
::actually very happy about
::that this movie overall
::like yeah there's an
::emotional core to it but
::I'm gonna be honest with
::you it's probably the least
::involved emotional core of
::any Deadpool movie like
::He feels like he wants to matter.
::We go through the most basic
::steps with that.
::But then the TVA comes and
::like everything goes to hell.
::And that's fine.
::I think the thing that this
::movie does so well, though,
::is acknowledging how much
::fans love this stuff.
::And I feel like that matters.
::And it also acknowledges
::this like super messy time.
::that Fox had trying to make
::superhero movies.
::The good, the bad, the ugly,
::and the ones that never got made.
::And I wasn't expecting a movie like that.
::And by the end of it, it just felt like...
::I felt very seen as a comic
::book fan because it just, it was like,
::great.
::Other people remember that
::like these movies,
::these movies mattered a
::while ago before the MCU,
::like the MCU owes its creation.
::I think in my opinion to a
::lot of what Fox did.
::And it was nice to see that
::almost as like a love
::letter and a thank you
::letter to those movies in a
::Deadpool movie.
::And it was different than what I expected,
::but I really enjoyed myself.
::yeah well said I think this
::movie this movie did I mean
::you're right brian this
::movie could have been like
::he's running around taking
::care of loose ends and it's
::really he's working for
::like he's working for
::disney in the most like
::fourth wall break meadow
::way it could have been
::But what I loved about this
::is that this movie treated
::so many of those characters
::that we grew up with with
::such a level of reverence
::and care and tried to bring
::them and lift them up as
::much as possible that I
::really was really happy
::with how they did it.
::I also think that this is...
::This was a movie that I
::don't think this was a
::movie that necessarily
::Disney wanted to make.
::I think this was a movie that I agree.
::Ryan Reynolds and Hugh
::Jackman talked Kevin into and said,
::we can do and we can do and levy.
::We can do something really special here.
::Yes.
::And there was enough of a
::thread and enough of
::something going on that they were like,
::yeah, go for it.
::Because this movie is.
::vulgar which checks a box
::for me this movie is
::violent like it is like
::this movie is a lot of
::things there are some
::parents that are about to
::bring their kids to a
::Marvel movie over the
::course of the next two
::weeks and they are gonna be
::like driving home having to
::do a lot of explaining um
::and so I was just really
::pleased with like how they
::executed this because for
::all intents and purpose
::this could have gone off
::the rails like this could
::have like been yeah all
::over the place but man it
::was it was really really
::well done and I a tip of
::the hat to everybody
::involved because I think
::they they really they
::pulled it off and they nailed it so yeah
::Yeah.
::Yeah.
::I think I will add one more
::V just because I'm a man of alliteration.
::But it was it was vulgar.
::It was violent,
::but it was also vulnerable
::because you have certain
::scenes in there where it allows.
::Thank you.
::It allows you to analyze
::these characters in all of
::the ways that I think people,
::including myself, were concerned.
::it was so meta in itself.
::It like in its layers of like,
::how would you,
::how could they bring back
::Wolverine when he had a perfect ending,
::kind of the same
::conversation we just had
::about RDJ a little bit.
::Right.
::Of how can you bring back
::this character that meant so much to us?
::Oh, easy.
::He was the anchor for this universe and no,
::he's really dead.
::Like he's gone.
::Right.
::And this person is the opposite of that.
::Oh, okay.
::I see why they picked RDJ.
::I see why they did it.
::I think they picked it
::because they saw it work in this movie.
::Because Kevin Feige did have
::an interview about bringing
::back older characters only
::if you can do it right.
::And he said that.
::And he said,
::after seeing this movie and
::what they did with Hugh Jackman,
::They did it right,
::which I am in full agreeance with.
::I like how you tell this new story of like,
::no,
::this isn't the Wolverine we know and
::love this.
::Excuse me.
::This Wolverine went and
::killed a bunch of humans
::because the humans came to
::their crib and killed all
::of the all of the X-Men and
::our famous X-Men that we know and love.
::And he went on a fucking
::rampage and killed them all.
::Didn't stop the good,
::the bad and the ugly.
::That's what he said.
::Right.
::And he had to come with grips with that.
::And he is known as the worst
::version of the worst
::Wolverine that there is in
::all of the rain and all the multiverse.
::And so I just think that, you know,
::it allows you to also
::analyze Deadpool to that extent, too,
::because you have to have
::the character like
::Wolverine to set up this
::goofy merch with a mouth
::that has to face some serious shit.
::And then you have Hugh,
::who is playing this Wolverine,
::who's a failure,
::who has to face this goofy
::motherfucker that won't shut the fuck up.
::It's like two walls, like, you know,
::two unstoppable forces
::running into each other.
::And they're and they're
::perfect foils for each other.
::And I think I want to do
::linger on the moment of
::like you using this
::Deadpool lens on RDJ of like,
::how is this going to work?
::And like literally Hugh Jackman,
::Hugh Jackman set up this
::huge challenge for himself
::to differentiate from the
::Logan we knew for like 10 movies,
::nine movies.
::And he did it like and he
::did it with such ferocity as well.
::And he's such a good actor to do that.
::Like,
::I just need to commend him because...
::there's this point and we
::talked a little bit about it in the chat,
::but there's this moment in
::the car where he just like
::goes in on Deadpool,
::tells him how terrible he is.
::He can't manage any relationships.
::Of course, he's not going to matter.
::He doesn't take anything seriously.
::And the way that he delivers
::that material is, is gut wrenching.
::And if I was in that passenger seat,
::I wouldn't have fought Hugh Jackman.
::I just would have like cried
::and just crawled out of the
::car while it was moving.
::Um,
::Um,
::it was phenomenally done and Hugh
::Jackman brought that.
::He brought all of that to
::this movie when you thought,
::what else are we going to
::do with Wolverine?
::Well,
::what if Wolverine like wasn't around
::when all the X-Men died?
::Cause he got blackout drunk.
::Yeah.
::I want to know that Wolverine story.
::And it, it, it was, I mean,
::that was a great like yin
::to the Deadpool Yang of
::that emotional core,
::which I think it works.
::It connects with me.
::I think the other thing that
::this movie did well is it
::shone a light on questions
::that I think comic book fans,
::it sought to answer
::questions that we had kind
::of forgotten about and
::didn't know we needed.
::And the best example of that is, well,
::how come we never saw
::Wolverine in his yellow suit?
::And it is such a perfect answer.
::that I didn't even question it.
::It was just like a, oh, well,
::they always wanted me to wear it,
::but I didn't want to make
::it seem like I was, if I wore it,
::I wanted to seem like I was too cool.
::And now I wear it because
::I'm trying to pay something
::back and trying to make up
::for my mistake and be the
::hero they would have wanted me to be.
::Like that was such a well
::done and to Marcus,
::a vulnerable answer that I went, okay,
::yeah, that makes a ton of sense.
::So, yeah, there's just a lot of this.
::It worked.
::It's incredibly depressing
::to think that he never
::actually wore it in his
::universe with that team.
::And then it's literally the
::only thing he carries
::around with him because it
::reminds him of the team.
::It's basically this walking
::scarlet letter of his entire failure,
::which I didn't expect in a
::Deadpool movie.
::No, not at all.
::Not at all.
::And I think, you know,
::one of the other words as we go into,
::like, one of my next favorite pieces,
::I think you picked the
::right... In a movie filled with cameos,
::number one was not
::expecting fucking Chris
::Evans to pop up and have as
::many speaking parts as he did.
::He had a lot of lines.
::And even so much Deadpool
::joked about it was like,
::he's killing the fucking budget.
::You know what I mean?
::And so...
::Number one, you picked really good cameos.
::And Blade says something
::when he's talking to
::Elektra about them going to
::go stand up against, what's her name?
::Cassandra.
::Cassandra Nova.
::I'm thinking Casanova.
::Casanova.
::So I feel like they have
::this moment where they're
::talking about legacy.
::And all of this in the end,
::you don't get this until the end montage,
::the video montage while the
::credits are rolling about
::how all of this is about legacy.
::You poke as much fun as Fox
::as you want to.
::And Ryan Reynolds is really good at it.
::But in the in the base of it all,
::there is something about an
::homage and legacy.
::And like all of these people we see now,
::they paved the way and were
::trailblazers for.
::To the comic book movies
::that we get today.
::We always talk about Blade
::being the one that saved
::the MCU because the first
::Blade movie was so fucking successful.
::When they were about to sell
::everything off,
::it kickstarted what the MCU
::would be today.
::And you don't get that
::unless you get the Fox movies,
::unless you get that version of Blade,
::etc., etc., etc., etc.
::And I feel like this is an
::important point that Kevin Feige,
::one of his first
::professional jobs in movies
::was associate producer on
::the first X-Men movie.
::And literally the only thing
::he was there to do was
::provide knowledge of the
::Marvel Universe because the
::production company was like,
::we don't know what this X-Men thing is.
::Can you just go there and
::make sure everything's going fine?
::Wow.
::And because Kevin Feige had
::that experience on the X-Men set,
::it sets off a domino effect
::for like the next 20 years.
::That's cool.
::And that's why I think this
::stuff is also really
::important because he was there.
::He was there when like the
::first X-Men came out,
::which is what kicked off a lot of this.
::Yeah.
::Now you can say what you, that's really,
::Brian, that's a fucking, where else?
::This is the only podcast you
::can get some shit out of.
::Here's the other thing, right?
::I know that we had that
::conversation earlier once again about RDJ,
::but these two things are
::tied in together.
::Yes, Kevin Feige is a part of a system.
::Yes,
::he's a part of responding to people
::that are higher than him.
::I do think Kevin Feige has
::as much say-so as he would
::like in the things that he
::creates because he's done
::it for over 10 years when
::it comes to developing this universe.
::He is somebody who cares
::about... You have to care
::so much that you allow Ryan
::Reynolds and this Deadpool
::character to come in and introduce...
::this naughty world to this
::clean Disney clean cut
::thing that isn't really
::connected to anything.
::It brings in certain pieces
::so that it all kind of makes sense.
::The TVA was perfect.
::Dr. Strange's like ring with
::the reality stone and the,
::and the time stone attached to it,
::like smart as hell,
::but to allow somebody to
::come in and just say, yeah,
::do your thing.
::As long as it ties into this
::and it doesn't really need
::to lead into the next thing.
::This is just a movie about friendship.
::That's really what it was.
::Yeah.
::Yeah.
::I mean,
::I think it's a movie about these
::two finding that they're
::way more similar than they think.
::And then also realizing like, you don't,
::you,
::you can matter without doing these
::big things.
::You can matter by just
::inviting someone to have
::pizza at your apartment.
::Right.
::Like,
::I feel like that was something else
::this movie did.
::Maybe it wasn't as eloquent
::in its delivery,
::but I also feel like that
::was a message that resonated with me.
::Yeah.
::Um,
::I want to talk a little bit
::about the cameos,
::because I think one thing
::that can happen in this
::movie really easily is I
::feel like the cameos can
::sort of start eating away
::at your story a little bit.
::And the movie becomes more
::about the cameo than it
::does necessarily about.
::the um that the plot and I
::think what this movie did
::really well is it made
::those fit in a way in which
::that makes sense 100 they
::made it fit in a way in
::which that works like so so
::well that I i was just
::really happy with it so I i i
::I want to run down all of
::the different folks that are in this.
::So first you get a bunch of
::different comic book,
::accurate versions of
::Wolverine from various different pieces,
::which I thought were awesome.
::I thought that was so much fun.
::yeah the short king
::wolverine is in there now
::wolverine is officially
::listed on his like
::membership of the avengers
::at being 5 10 and so he was
::much shorter in this
::obviously but that was sort
::of like the dig at his
::actual height um that's
::listed in the comic books
::by the way nope not at all um
::you got patch playing cards
::and what we can only assume is magical.
::Um, we got the, we got the,
::we got the Brown suit from
::when he's facing the Hulk,
::even a shot of the Hulk
::from like within his claws.
::And then also the other way, um,
::you got the Wolverine from
::the age of apocalypse storyline,
::which I thought was fucking
::really good on screen.
::Oh my God.
::That looks really good.
::Yeah.
::um and then you got like the
::most one of the most iconic
::versions of wolverine which
::is him crucified on like a
::giant x um and just the
::skivvies which was
::incredible yeah a lot and
::then last but not least you
::got henry cavill as
::wolverine which I thought
::marcus was gonna like lose
::his shit over like it
::happened so quick it like
::took him a minute
::Because I like the way that
::they introduced him.
::It was the first shot of him
::was just from behind.
::And I was like, oh, who is that?
::And they moved on.
::And I was like, oh,
::they're not going to go back to that.
::Like, that feels weird.
::Then I realized how they
::were setting up the shots.
::And then they did go back.
::And it shocked the fuck out of me.
::me too honestly I and that
::feels like such an inside
::joke because like I'm
::really curious to talk to
::people at work about this
::because they're more like
::folks who probably don't
::follow casting news like we
::do like we knew that that
::was rumored for a while so
::I would be so curious to be
::like oh Henry Cavill what's
::he doing here like oh no
::people wanted and then the
::John Krasinski one too like
::yeah yeah yeah and then the
::line will treat you so much
::better than those fellows
::across the street yeah
::Yeah, I love that.
::But here's the other thing
::that I don't know if
::anybody noticed that Henry Cavill did,
::but he did his arm loading,
::arm charge thing when he did his claws.
::I missed that.
::I saw that in a review, but I was like,
::oh.
::Like from Mission Impossible,
::he did the arm thing.
::Well, yeah, you got to load your arms.
::Yeah, like the arm.
::Yeah, you got to load them.
::Yeah.
::Other sort of cameos that we had.
::Blade.
::Blade was in this.
::Played by original Wesley Snipes.
::And I saw an interview,
::and it was actually Ryan
::Reynolds that asked him to do it.
::And the only reason why he
::agreed was he agreed and he said, well,
::I mean,
::if you can actually get them to
::agree to it,
::I don't think that's going to happen.
::But if you can get them to agree to it,
::then yeah, that's fine.
::I wonder what happened that made him...
::I don't know what,
::why he thought that they
::wouldn't bring him back.
::Like their exit must've been bad.
::In the interview that he said,
::he said it was that because they had,
::he was like,
::I don't know if they want to
::go backwards and they
::already have Marshala Ali.
::Do they really want to
::create this level of
::confusion since they
::already have a new blade?
::And so that was what,
::that was the short like
::interview that I saw that
::where he sort of answered that question,
::but you're right.
::It does make me wonder.
::I mean,
::so there's also been all these
::rumors about Blade Trinity,
::which I someone write a book, please.
::Or if there is a book,
::feel free to comment or yell at me.
::Because the main rumors were
::that basically Blade
::Trinity was trying to be
::this spinoff for Jessica
::Biel and Ryan Reynolds.
::And then Wesley Snipes was like, no,
::don't do that.
::And then they were like, too bad.
::And so he tried to be as
::difficult as possible.
::And that's where we get the
::story of him not opening his eyes.
::And they have to blue screen him.
::They have to CGI his eyes
::opening because he was like
::trying to protest what they
::were trying to do to this movie.
::So like...
::that I feel like it was the
::idea of like wesley snipes
::and box marvel did not
::leave on the best terms so
::I'm wondering if maybe
::that's where some of that
::came from there were also
::rumors that like ryan
::reynolds and wesley snipes
::didn't get along I don't
::think that's the case at
::this point it didn't seem
::like it now I could see
::that happening back then
::young stood and you know I get it
::So much so that Deadpool
::makes a line in the movie,
::which I thought was outstanding,
::where he goes,
::and we didn't necessarily
::get along the last time.
::So last time we worked together,
::which I thought was incredible.
::I lost my,
::I just want to just put in the preference,
::you know, put in perspective.
::So when they do that whole
::shot with the big cameo
::scene with all the big dogs, right?
::And we go and we see Wanda.
::We see the Wanda on the wall.
::What's that about?
::What's that about?
::It got to mean something
::because nothing mean nothing.
::So like we walk down and
::this month they doing all
::the introduction.
::First of all, Elektra's there.
::Okay.
::Come in.
::spinning, you know what I mean?
::She still looks good, too.
::Elektra walks in.
::They make a little Daredevil joke.
::Daredevil's dead?
::Oh, lord!
::She's like, it's not that big of a deal.
::It's fine.
::Gambit walks in.
::Motherfucking Channing Tatum
::in his actual Gambit outfit,
::which he looks kind of crazy in.
::I'm not gonna lie.
::It's always the head thing
::for Gambit that never
::translates to live action.
::He's also big.
::Yeah.
::Well, that too.
::It's also his accent, you guys.
::I don't want to solidify
::myself as the accent expert.
::Jesus Christ.
::But I feel like if you give
::me two months with a dialect coach,
::I can do much better than Channing Tatum.
::I feel like that's the joke, though,
::right?
::I think that's the joke.
::Kate, looking back on it,
::Channing Tatum had pushed to
::get his own movie for such
::a long time when he saw Gambit in,
::what was it?
::Origins.
::And he was very critical of
::that character's Southern
::accent and was outspoken and said, I can,
::I am from Louisiana and can
::do a better accent than that.
::And so this,
::it might be a little bit of a joke,
::but it's him trying to like
::really lean into it and
::make them as Cajun as possible.
::Right.
::Yeah.
::All I'm saying is, Marvel,
::if you need another Gambit variant,
::I will send you my resume.
::I know.
::Hey, you get one line.
::No, no, no.
::I couldn't.
::We're already over time.
::But when Blade popped up,
::I lost my shit because I
::didn't expect it.
::I was hitting Doug the whole
::time because I genuinely
::did not expect Blade or
::Wesley Snipes to walk from
::around the corner.
::Absolutely bottom of my list.
::Bottom of my bottom of my list.
::And the entrance was like
::the music and what he was wearing,
::how they styled him.
::I thought it was perfect.
::His little goatee that was white.
::And then he had the little
::white in his hair too.
::Perfect.
::Oh my gosh.
::That entire sequence is just so...
::perfect because I finally
::got to see an x like
::someone from the x-men talk
::to someone from the
::daredevil movies electra
::electra jennifer garner
::yeah and blade and then a
::character we never saw plus
::x23 yeah like that that is
::something I wanted 20 years ago
::And we finally got it in a Deadpool movie,
::which I just think is the
::most bonkers thing out of all of this.
::Like all everything was there,
::but it took Ryan Reynolds
::and co to pull it all together,
::which I just think is the
::most wild thing about this.
::Daphne Keene also has been
::in I didn't realize this
::she played Laura in X-23
::she's 19 years old played
::Laura in X-23 and then went
::and played Jackie in
::fucking Star Wars Acolyte I
::can't get any of these
::names right tonight I just
::didn't know that that's all I got yeah
::other folks that were in I
::mean we had so we talked
::about Christopher Evans
::like I had to give him his
::fucking legal name but like
::some other folks that were
::in it that you got to see
::like glimpses of but maybe
::didn't have speaking lines
::I mean obviously Pyro's in
::this Sabretooth is in this
::oh my gosh Blob Toad maybe
::Psylocke Psylocke
::um lady deathstroke
::juggernaut uh strike yeah
::lady deathstrike sorry um
::lady deathstroke that's a
::different that's a no I
::like it I like it but yeah
::and then all the other sort
::of like nods to different
::things like different
::vehicles so we saw red
::skull's car they had a they
::had a fantastic car so they
::had like the fantastic that
::was catching these shits
::quick as hell because I
::could not be booked
::There was a Guardians ship down there.
::It looked like a variant of the Milano.
::Somebody said a Pirates of
::the Caribbean ship was there.
::There was a Pirates of the
::Caribbean ship behind.
::Yeah,
::so when Deadpool and Wolverine are
::fighting in the desert,
::if you look behind them at
::the shot when they're like this,
::there is a pirate ship sort
::of off in the distance.
::Wow.
::Sorry,
::Florence Pugh made a post and I
::couldn't resist but look at it.
::I get it.
::We all have our influencer.
::It's very charming.
::You both know mine.
::That's where we're at.
::We're going to leave it right there.
::Sorry.
::I didn't know yours.
::I forgot.
::Yeah.
::I know Brian.
::You and I know Brian.
::Put it in the private chat.
::Who's Brian?
::I will put it in the private chat.
::Put it in there right now.
::Brian,
::you talk and he's going to type it
::in the private chat.
::Brian, who is yours?
::I don't know who yours is.
::We don't need to worry about it right now.
::I do want to get on the villain.
::Talk a little bit about the
::villain and how he felt about... Oh,
::yeah.
::It is no secret.
::I'm a fan of Elizabeth Olsen's character.
::Alright, this is not a surprise.
::She's very charming.
::I'm in full agreement with you, bro.
::I don't disagree.
::And he's so respectful about it, too.
::Yeah, and I'll say mine out loud.
::Sydney Sweeney's mine.
::Let's just get all of ours out there.
::Let's just own our shit.
::We all have our shit.
::Is it mine?
::But as a black man,
::I do have my white women
::that are on a good list.
::And then I have my...
::Okay.
::All right.
::Cool, cool, cool.
::I'm learning a lot tonight.
::Which is fine.
::I like to learn new things.
::Zendaya is mine.
::Oh, okay.
::Yeah, yeah, yeah.
::Is that who you thought it
::was going to be?
::Who did y'all think mine was?
::I thought it was actively Florence Pugh,
::so that's just where I left off.
::Florence Pugh is like that, though.
::You have a few.
::You've got Florence Pugh.
::You've got Zendaya.
::You've got the lady who played Valkyrie.
::Oh, Tessa Thompson.
::Tessa Thompson.
::Sure, sure.
::Ooh, fuck, yeah, you're right.
::Ooh, goddamn.
::The Lord is good, man.
::Anyway.
::Jesus Christ.
::Here's what I know.
::I know that when Wolverine lost his shirt,
::a lot of people in my
::theater started paying attention,
::including my wife, and that's fine.
::It's fine.
::here's what was surprising
::though he didn't take his
::shirt off sooner and that's
::a big thing about being
::Wolverine and I didn't
::realize until that moment
::of like oh and then he kept
::the mask on so I was like
::oh that threw me off like I
::was like I was like yeah
::Yeah.
::No, we can go back to Cassandra Nova.
::Let's talk about Cassandra Nova.
::So first off,
::I thought she was kind of one
::of those... So she sort of
::fell into this... Because
::Deadpool and Wolverine command...
::so much space.
::Yeah.
::She did feel like she got
::lost a little bit.
::Like, you know what I mean?
::She did feel like she got
::lost a little bit,
::but I really appreciated like her,
::her powers.
::I thought the idea of
::crawling into people's
::heads with her hand, one comic book,
::accurate.
::And two looked fucking sweet.
::Like it was just such a cool concept.
::It was disturbing.
::It was.
::And I applaud this movie.
::More, please.
::Like, it was straight up just disturbing.
::It felt like Sam Raimi, like a little bit.
::Yes, very Raimi-ish.
::Like body horror type stuff.
::Yeah, for sure.
::Maggie and I squirmed when
::she put her hand through
::Succession Guy's head and
::dragged him down the stairs.
::Oh, my God.
::That really bothered me.
::And I know it was CGI, but I was like,
::that woman...
::grabbed his brain and is
::dragging him by his brain.
::That's disturbing.
::Yeah.
::And they let you sit in it.
::I do agree.
::I agree a little bit about
::the villain of like,
::she's sandwiched between
::Paradox being villain 1A
::and her being villain 1B.
::And then the whole entire
::Deadpool and Wolverine story.
::I think there's a lot of
::potential for her as an
::actress or this character
::to be a sole villain in some capacity,
::maybe if they could adapt that storyline,
::but that would take a lot
::to kind of adapt that
::storyline down the road, but
::I enjoyed her purpose.
::She was there to catapult
::this story and be the exit
::from the void or the
::connection from the void to
::the to the multiverse or to, you know,
::to that world.
::And I think that she did that well.
::They wrote that character well to do that.
::And I do I do want to give a
::shout out to the actress
::because I knew her from The Crown.
::She is Princess Diana in The Crown.
::And so I think that she's
::got such range because I
::saw her in that and then I
::saw her in this and I'm like,
::man, you're like two different people.
::You're a comedian.
::I love it.
::So just, I want to give a bump.
::I want to give a bump to
::Emma Cora and I think she's
::really talented.
::I'm really excited to see
::her in more stuff.
::Yeah.
::Cassandra Nova,
::it felt a little one note E,
::but also at the same time,
::like I'm okay with that because I wanted,
::I wanted the Deadpool Wolverine stuff.
::Like it's fine.
::Like she did exactly what
::she needed to do.
::I also think you could have,
::and what I appreciate what they didn't do,
::is they could have said,
::because she's technically
::Charles Xavier's sister,
::they could have made this...
::they could have really
::leaned into how she's not Charles.
::And they just didn't... They
::left it alone.
::They just sort of like, no, no, no,
::she's her own thing.
::Leave her right there.
::And that's just fine.
::And I was really pleased
::with that decision because
::my fear was they were going
::to make this...
::commentary on Charles and
::misgivings and they only
::brought it up once and it
::was at the very end that
::speech Wolverine gave to
::her and I that was all they
::needed to do and that was
::perfect because they could
::have done it could have
::been extra about it and I'm
::glad that they weren't
::No, I agree.
::And I think that this movie
::knew its limits in being like,
::we know we can do a
::meditation on if Charles
::Xavier is like a net benefit to mutants.
::This isn't the movie to do it.
::Yeah,
::we're not going to do that right now.
::We got this movie's about
::this movie has Chris Evans
::like basically having his
::skin ripped off at one point.
::Yeah.
::Yes.
::Dealing with that, which, by the way,
::I've seen a lot of stuff in movies,
::but like even I was like, oh,
::That got me.
::That got me.
::Well done, Marvel.
::And the effects were pretty good.
::It happened so good, so quick.
::I don't know.
::There's a lot of moments in this... Okay,
::here's my downside to this movie.
::I don't just want to kiss
::this movie's ass.
::Here's my downside.
::There are certain moments where I wish...
::the emotions were longer the
::story is simple it's a very
::simple story right and you
::jam pack it with all the
::things we know and love
::around this story because
::it is simply put a story
::about friendship uh and
::finding out what matters to
::you which in the end is
::having that friendship and
::that other than somebody to
::rely on that's what the
::whole movie is about
::absolutely and for deadpool
::Sometimes I wish that there
::weren't as many jokes like
::that scene with Hugh
::Jackman and Deadpool.
::I'm glad that it happened,
::because if you don't have
::that moment where Deadpool
::doesn't respond immediately
::when Wolverine says something,
::I think you lose the whole
::kind of like the
::vulnerability in this joint.
::Right.
::I agree.
::And sometimes I wish they
::kind of sat in that more.
::I think it also felt like
::paradox at some point was I
::get why you introduced that
::because you need the TVA.
::Is there another way to
::introduce or make that bad
::feel a little bit more big, bad?
::Yeah.
::I guess a little bit because
::they randomly bring in Deadpool.
::They drop all these little seeds about,
::yeah, somehow they, they,
::the people up top got plans for you.
::You're of some importance or
::something on something you
::got to come work for us and
::I'm going to destroy your universe.
::And that's kind of like, wait, why?
::You know what I mean?
::Like I,
::Yeah.
::Great question.
::Yeah.
::They never really talk as to like,
::why does that, why does, what was it?
::Earth one zero.
::One thousand five.
::One thousand five.
::Triple zero five.
::Right.
::Yeah.
::One thousand five.
::Yeah.
::You're right.
::They never talk about like,
::why does that need to be destroyed?
::Mm-hmm.
::Well, wait, they do,
::but they do talk about it,
::but he talks about expediting it because,
::well, okay.
::They never talk about why it
::needs to be expedited.
::They say why it's dying,
::but he never says like, well,
::I'm trying to hurry it up.
::Well, no, because they need a mercy, mercy,
::merciless and swift response.
::god or something like that
::and that was him somebody
::who's just willing to do
::the dirty work I guess I
::don't feel like they built
::that up enough sorry brian
::no you're fine I think this
::is the part of the movie
::where it's it's very much
::like look this is what we
::want to do we want to put
::deadpool in these
::situations this is the
::mcguffin yeah just deal
::with it we're moving on and
::I'm fine with it, because I expected that.
::I did not expect Deadpool to
::get into the very specifics
::of how all this science
::fiction technology is working.
::Paradox is just doing it for the fun.
::For the funsies.
::Shitting gigs.
::And I appreciated a rogue TVA agent.
::I doubt that they thought this far ahead,
::but
::when Loki takes over the TVA
::at the end of the second season,
::they're like, Oh,
::like this is going to be
::hard on some people like
::this type of change.
::Not everyone's going to go with it.
::And implicitly you're seeing
::that happen in Deadpool.
::Do I think Marvel intended to do that?
::I don't know.
::In my head though,
::it fits perfectly narrative
::wise because the TVA knew
::this was going to happen.
::And with a change like this,
::you're going to have a guy
::like paradox who goes by the old ways.
::So yeah,
::I enjoyed it for that perspective.
::Also, really quick,
::we don't have to linger on this.
::Never explained how Deadpool
::gets to 616 for his Avengers interview.
::How does he know about the Avengers?
::Doesn't really matter.
::How does he get back to 1005?
::He had the time thing.
::Oh,
::is the cable time thing how he got there?
::Yeah,
::I think because he thought he was
::bought there or something
::like that because of the
::time cable jumping thing.
::I think he still had it.
::Yeah,
::I think that's what I at least put
::together in my head.
::Because he said he destroyed it.
::Did he destroy it after?
::Yeah, so he goes in for the interview,
::and then that's when you
::see him at the car
::dealership making fun of
::Brian's current vehicle.
::No, no, no, no, no.
::He likes the Kia Carnival MPV.
::Thank you.
::And then he says right after that,
::he gets pulled in by the TVA and he goes,
::was that for all that time
::jumping with Cable's watch?
::Because I destroyed that.
::I thought that was after Happy Hogan.
::Me too.
::Maybe it was.
::He went to Happy Hogan to do
::something that mattered
::after he bought everybody back.
::Went to see Happy.
::Happy said no.
::Then he destroyed it.
::Then he stayed in the
::timeline where he was.
::That was the timeline I put
::together in my head.
::Pable's thing could make him
::jump universes.
::It's fine.
::I'm going to go with it.
::It's also Deadpool.
::I think he needs the least explanation,
::I guess.
::He just shows up.
::Because he knows who Thor is.
::Yes, great point.
::Which I'm pretty sure that's
::repurposed footage from The Dark World.
::It absolutely is.
::I don't think any of that was there.
::Do you know what the fun
::idea that I heard the
::original concept of this movie was?
::They were going to do a
::shot-by-shot Thor The Dark World
::movie for Deadpool and then
::at the end was going to revamp it.
::There was several ideas that
::went about how to go about this.
::One was the road trip with
::him and Wolverine.
::One was a shot by shot Thor
::the Dark World.
::I got to find it.
::I got to find it.
::But that made all the sense
::in the fucking world.
::I also think that Thor shot
::with him and him crying
::will come back full circle
::in Secret Wars.
::I mean, I'll be honest.
::I don't expect it.
::If they make this happen, though,
::I will applaud them because
::that's a deep cut.
::I love that.
::Why am I still crying?
::Why am I there?
::I will say the director...
::has said that this is not like,
::this isn't setting any,
::like this is not tied.
::Yeah.
::Yeah.
::Yeah.
::It's just its own box.
::Which is fine.
::Honestly, I think is good.
::And like to get a little bit
::more bird's eye.
::I think Marvel really needed
::this movie for a lot of reasons,
::but I think one of the
::other reasons is that they
::got to do a Fox,
::the 20th century Fox victory lap.
::Thank you card.
::So good.
::While they figure their own mess out.
::Yeah.
::Um,
::And maybe I shouldn't call it a mess,
::but they're figuring out
::the retooling of it.
::We talked about it in the
::fall that Marvel had this
::big retreat of like how
::they're going to course
::correct everything.
::And it would not surprise me
::if they're like, yeah,
::have the Deadpool movie,
::do whatever you want,
::because that gives us an
::entire 18 months to figure
::out what we do next.
::And I feel like the result of that,
::the Deadpool movie was
::giving them time to figure out Doomsday.
::because this is a fun treat
::it doesn't really add
::anything to the whole
::multiverse maybe we'll see
::something pop up from it
::maybe like now there was an
::interview asking directly
::Hugh Jackman and Ryan
::Reynolds like hey like what
::does this look like for the
::next Avengers movie are you
::like is that even like a
::consideration for you two
::and it was like the classic
::Marvel interview of like
::they shuffled in their
::seats and they hemmed and hawed so like
::Hugh Jackman and Ryan
::Reynolds are definitely
::coming back at some point.
::I mean, I would love it if they did, like,
::a Wolverine and Xavier
::school for gifted youngsters.
::Like, he's the one leading it.
::That'd be fucking sweet.
::There's definitely some stuff cooking,
::and I definitely think
::Deadpool's showing up at some point.
::Yeah, man.
::Well, yeah,
::Deadpool is... I think Deadpool
::and Wolverine are... If the
::rumors are true,
::you're gonna get... Here's
::what you're gonna get.
::The money shot.
::Deadpool...
::Wolverine, Tobey Maguire, Andrew Garfield,
::and Blade, and new Blade.
::You're going to get all
::these motherfuckers in one movie.
::Oh, I mean,
::for all the cameos that we've
::talked about, which Elektra,
::Jennifer Garner,
::I'm so glad you're a good sport,
::and came back.
::And not only...
::came back for a cameo.
::She did a full-on action scene,
::which is great.
::Thank you, Jennifer Garner.
::I appreciate you.
::As a fan of Alias, I appreciate that.
::There were some very notable
::absences from some X-Men members.
::The fact that Colossus is
::the only other X-Men
::involved in this movie is
::very... I don't see his face.
::I think it's going to I think to me,
::it's very telling that they
::I feel like Marvel has some
::plans of either bringing
::them back in Secret Wars or
::having them cameo in Secret Wars,
::because I was like, man,
::like if we're doing this
::whole retrospective, I would expect like,
::you know, James Marsden.
::I would expect a $5 haircut.
::Bring that motherfucker back.
::I would expect Patrick Stewart something.
::I did expect...
::No haircut.
::Oh, no haircut.
::No,
::instead we got Chris Evans' Human Torch,
::which I am 100% And Chris
::Evans talking his shit on the back end,
::which I really enjoyed.
::I was like, yeah, perfect.
::Johnny Storm don't care.
::I do think you're right, Brian.
::I mean,
::I love the fact that, you know,
::Deadpool brings up the
::Avengers and Hugh Jackman's
::response is fuck the Avengers.
::That was incredible.
::That I loved every second of that.
::I would love a X-Men versus
::the Avengers with that attitude.
::That would be fantastic.
::It's a lot, but I would love it.
::Oh, yes.
::Yeah.
::But here we are.
::Anything else that you have
::on your list that you
::absolutely got to talk about?
::We didn't even talk about
::the Deadpool core.
::Blake Lively showed up.
::Maybe it was Blake Lively.
::She never took off the mask.
::I think it might have been ADR'd.
::I'm pretty sure Blake Lively
::just showed up to the ADR
::booth for 20 minutes.
::I think she recorded it in their house.
::I think that Ryan Reynolds
::and their rich Hollywood actors,
::I think that they have a
::recording studio in their basement.
::They definitely were like,
::Yeah, let me just put this in the house.
::I think that the mask,
::although I wanted to see it more,
::I think the way that we got
::it for the rest of the movie was perfect.
::The Wolverine mask, thank you.
::I think the reveal was good,
::and I think the line was like, hey,
::do you use that thing often?
::And he says, only for killing.
::And I was like, yeah, for sure.
::That is a fire-ass line, and then...
::The Deadpool core are so disposable that,
::yeah,
::you get a fight scene with a bunch
::of Deadpool that nobody's really dying.
::And Wolverine can still be Wolverine.
::There's your scene for Secret Wars.
::I mean, in Secret Wars,
::the second iteration,
::there's a whole fleet of
::Thor battle world cops that go around.
::Yep.
::You're going to see
::something similar to that
::at some point in time.
::It's not going to be a one on one.
::It's going to they're going
::to build this shit out.
::So, right.
::I mean, it was.
::Yeah,
::I honestly at that point in the movie,
::though, I was like, really,
::we're doing this.
::We're doing this like we
::still have like the end of
::the movie to do.
::And then I was like, you know what?
::I'm along for the ride.
::And I didn't care as soon as
::I saw the mask go on.
::yeah and honestly I thought
::the mask looked fine I did
::see some comments like on
::twitter and tiktok like oh
::the mask like it doesn't
::work that's why we don't
::have the mask and I was
::like this is the mask it
::it's fine like I it I don't
::know it's a wolverine mask
::I got you bro yeah
::Like, this is what it looks like,
::and it looks good.
::Brian, can you just start the sentence,
::and I will end it.
::So all I need you to say is, can you,
::and then I will finish it.
::Okay, can you... Shut the fuck up.
::Nothing is good enough for you,
::motherfucker.
::Just shut up.
::Seriously,
::you finally got this Wolverine
::mask and all you do is complain.
::That you've been whining
::about for 20 years.
::It looked good.
::It was bright yellow, people.
::It looked fine.
::I kind of like the fact that
::the eyes were similar to Deadpool's.
::I kind of like that sort of
::connective tissue a little bit.
::I thought that was fine.
::I did realize you cannot do
::that with Batman because it
::would look so weird in the
::way that we get Batman.
::Everybody wants the Batman white eyes,
::the detective eyes.
::Marvel has it down to a
::science now where you can
::do that and it is kind of
::like second nature now.
::DC has never set themselves
::up to be able to get that, but whatever.
::I also think it was a good
::plan for them to do a blend
::of CG and a real mask.
::I'm really glad they didn't go the...
::iron man route and they just
::cg'd around robert downey
::jr's face the whole time
::like it was very clearly a
::real mask with cg elements
::which I think is the best
::way to go agreed agreed all right
::well uh I agree with marcus
::he started this off with a
::solid like eight out of ten
::um I concur yeah a solid
::eight nine out of ten this
::was really good I enjoyed
::it a lot it's a lot of fun
::it's everything that I
::wanted it to be um there
::really wasn't I didn't walk
::out of that theater saying
::oh man I wish they would
::have like I thought it was
::there I mean for what I wanted so yeah
::I mean, they even made a Punisher joke.
::What was the joke?
::I missed it.
::The joke was she killed the
::Punisher and Deadpool goes, which one?
::There's like three of them.
::Which one?
::There's like three of them.
::And they said like, oh, I can't remember.
::Oh, God.
::I mean,
::also having Wesley Snipes being like,
::there's only going to be
::one blade and having Ryan
::Reynolds look directly into the camera.
::This movie's made
::specifically for me because
::I understand all of this.
::Yes.
::i honestly like I just this
::is how you do fan service
::and however you feel about
::fan service I don't really
::care but like this is how
::you do it it's substance
::with these sprinkling of
::cameos and honestly I'm
::super happy for channing
::tatum that he finally got
::to be gambit in a live
::action movie and it looked
::sick as hell it looked amazing
::Just needed to dial in that accent.
::Here we go.
::Gentlemen, yeah,
::so definitely we recommend seeing it.
::If you have a local theater
::like Vermillion Theaters,
::go see it there.
::Absolutely go see it there.
::But gentlemen,
::what do you all have to plug?
::Hey, folks, it's me, Brian,
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::I can do a better ad read if you want.
::Brian, is the Love Nerds still a thing?
::The Love Nerds is still a thing.
::Head on over to
::thelovenerds.com for all of
::your recipes and different craft ideas.
::All right.
::Marcus, what do you got?
::Make sure you follow the mantra,
::never offended, always humble.
::You know what I mean?
::Noah for short.
::I got new music on the way.
::I'm back in my bag, baby.
::So don't worry.
::I'm going to feed you soon.
::The streets will be fed.
::Shout out to Soltie, S-O-U-L-T-Y-E.
::He's got new music.
::Shout out to Jarrell Patton.
::He's mixing and mastering all my music.
::Find clips on Instagram and
::find clips on my Snapchat.
::All at Marcus J. Destin.
::Stay connected, but follow the mantra,
::never offended, always humble, baby.
::Those clips are fire.
::Don't miss them.
::Thank you.
::This week,
::I forget what I'm trying to say.
::I got distracted.
::Is the music too loud?
::I don't know.
::I got distracted.
::I was trying to give a compliment.
::Still thinking of the way Brian said,
::where's?
::So, anyway, here we go.
::I want to plug this podcast.
::Look,
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::Robert Downey Jr.,
::if you enjoyed our
::breakdown about Deadpool and Wolverine,
::Share us with a friend or a family member.
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::and hop on this train.
::Gentlemen,
::we have a three-step process to success.
::Brian, what is that first step?
::Hey, folks.
::I'm here to tell you to read a book.
::And I'm just talking about any book.
::Read a book.
::You'll be well-read.
::You'll know things.
::You'll know all kinds of things.
::Maybe things you don't want to know,
::but you're glad you did.
::Read a book.
::There you go.
::I'm going to tell you to drink some water.
::Look, y'all,
::it's supposed to be like 100
::degrees here tomorrow.
::You are doing yourself a
::disservice if you do not stay hydrated.
::So drink some water.
::Take care of your body.
::It'll take care of you.
::But, yeah, drink some water.
::You want to make sure for that number,
::step three, you want to,
::because Doug did not
::introduce me for the final step.
::He just let me have the job.
::I just let you go.
::You want to make sure you
::wash your ass in this multiverse,
::in the void, in Earth 1005, in Earth 616,
::and right now,
::make sure you wash your ass,
::because guess what?
::You can't do the nasty if
::you don't wash your ass.
::That's the rule.
::No, you can't.
::No, that's kind of a prerequisite.
::Tell me I'm wrong.
::I mean, you're not.
::I can't.
::I wish I could, but I can't.
::And I shouldn't be irresponsible.
::That does it for this week's
::episode of Films of Black and White.
::It'll be a Marcus and Doug original.
::Tune in for the debate of the century.
::Yep.
::We're going to just box.
::We're going to put up a
::camera and he and I are
::going to box in a public place.
::See who gets arrested first.
::Wow.
::It's me because I'm black.
::Yeah, Doug,
::you walked right into that one.
::Yeah, no, I did it on purpose.
::But more importantly,
::we'll be back next week as
::Brian takes some much needed R&R.
::So tune in next week.
::We would love to see you.
::But in the meantime and in
::the between time, stay safe,
::stay healthy.
::We love y'all.
::We appreciate y'all.
::We'll catch y'all next week.
::He figured he'd get on these
::niggas good sides.
::Free chicken.
::Every time Anthony posted in line.
::Two extra biscuits.
::Anthony liked them and
::didn't let them slide.
::They didn't kill him.
::In fact,
::it looked like they were the last
::to survive.
::Pay attention.