Pleasure as a Spiritual Practice with Allison Holley

In this episode we get curious about:

• Pleasure as a spiritual practice
• Follow your purpose
• How to connect to pleasure
• The ecstatic body

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Music: Where the Light Is by Lemon Music Studio

Producer: Arlene Membrot

Audio Engineer: Sam Wittig

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Transcript Here

Interview Episode with Allison Holley

We're just trying to fulfill our innate desires, but we might be really removed from it. And so, we start to go into these processes. They're unconscious processes. We don't know what the answer is, and then we end up doing things that we feel ashamed about because shame, my definition of shame or I should say my definition of what creates the shameful feeling is doing something that's out of alignment with our truth.

It was a validating moment, and I just loved her energy and her whole depth of wisdom. So, I asked her if she would come and be a guest, and she said yes. So, we have her here with us today. And so let me just read you a little bit about her and then we'll get into what I know is gonna be a juicy conversation and you know how I like juicy conversations.

Allison: Hi Laurin. Thank you so much for having me here.

Laurin: I'm so excited to have you here. I, I, I'm a fan girl. I have to say.

Allison: Yay!

Laurin: I was telling Allison before we started that I was actually watching a video of her doing a masterclass earlier today, and I, so I feel like I'd get to spend like the whole day with her. It's so wonderful.

Allison: Oh, I love that. It lights my heart up. It's so fun. I'm really honored. Thank you.

Laurin: I really wanted to do this. It's very selfish in a good way because we only had like 20 minutes together when we met before, and you were channeling for me, and I just really wanted to spend more time with you. So, thank you. Thank you, thank you.

Allison: Thank you.

Allison: Hmm.

Laurin: So, tell us what you mean by that and, and how we can bring that into our lives.

Allison: Such a perfect place to start, you know? So, how I came to this understanding is, a lot of my story throughout my life, and then also through my awakening process over the past 10 years. And what I've discovered is I really had this big separation from my physical body. This might be something that a lot of people who identify as starseeds experience.

You know, I have learned recently through channeling that I never opened my root chakra. It was never opened. And I, and Uhhuh and I, you know, I had a lot of illness in my early years especially. But throughout my life there was a lot going on and I've had memories of what happened pre-birth, right?

And so, it's not only about awakening and ascending now, it's about really consciously playing through life. And if we are not within the physical body, if we're not connected to the physical body and we're trying to just be in those spiritual realms, we don't actually have the command to move us forward in, in this game, right?

Our pleasure connects us to the truth of who we are. We often think of pleasure as this extra thing, right? Like, if I'm good and if I do my work and if I make sure that I'm still of service to others that well, then my pleasure maybe will come next. Or it's, it's kind of an extra thing that a lot of people think of.

But we are built to desire pleasure for that specific reason because it connects us to our blueprint. So, each of us have an internal blueprint. That blueprint states, this is who I am, who I've designed myself to be in this physical realm. And it includes our life purpose because it is our energy frequency. So that blueprint is the truth of our energy frequency.

Allison: Yes. A lot of the things that I talk about are things that I've directly channeled. So, I don't often do research unless I've channeled something and I need a little extra Google assistance, right? But I was told, you know, blueprint and I have been told it's called a divine template. So different words like that.

Laurin: Yeah. Yeah.

Allison: Our life purpose is to be our truest frequency. That's it, right? So, when we can tune into our truest frequency, we are living our purpose. And our purpose is then coming through us instead of being thought about, instead of wondering what it is. So, here's how it all comes together.

Laurin: Okay. All right. That makes sense to me cuz that, that which we desire is what we're sort of motivated to move towards.

Allison: It's who we are on a deep, fundamental level.

Laurin: Yeah. Interesting. Okay.

Allison: And what we want to do is really hone in on what those desires are. We deny our desires for so long because we think that they're secondary, or they'll make us what's the word? Hedonistic or whatever it is.

Laurin: Selfish or, yeah.

Allison: Selfish. And so, we avoid those desires, and then what happens is they sort of stack up and they become unconscious, but we're still pleasure seeking. So, we meet those desires in ways that are not true to who we are.

What do I, what is it that I wanna do? And so, things like this podcast have come to me because I wanted to have great conversations with people.

Allison: Yeah.

Laurin: So, I was working with a coach who started off a podcast, how to do, how to be a podcast guest beta course that I got to take for, you know, a, a deal and totally put me in this direction.

I didn't know I was gonna do podcasting. I just said I missed juicy conversations and the universe brought it to me. That's one of the, you know, times where I know that I desired something. I really wanted these deep conversations. I had a group here in Williamsburg, Virginia before the, the pandemic hit that I had started the Wise Women Circle.

Allison: Hmm

So, that I, I finally knew there was something I wanted that was missing from my life that I really wanted and that it turned out I had been pretty good at. And, and then it came in this unexpected way. And here I am.

Allison: I love that. It reminds me of, you know, another spiritual principle that I want to introduce, which is the concept of enlightenment. And what enlightenment has been shown to me what it is, is high levels of light being able to go into our, our bodies and our energy fields, which means that our channels are open and how do we know that we are following our purpose?

I went out dancing with a friend and it, we were in Spain and it, so it was like a, a very different environment, which helped me see differently. When we do different things, it can really open us up to something new. And I remember she sat down and she said, you know, I'm really tired, but you can go keep dancing.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Allison: And it was such an enlightening moment to say, huh, this being called Allison really likes something. And I know I can feel, oh, this is something that I like. And I think so often, you know, to bring it full circle, we don't even know what we desire. Cause we have so much separation because we've got programs that tell us this is the way to be.

Laurin: Right, right. And there's those, those shoulds and oughts, you know, you should do this, you should be this, you should, are you ought to do it. You, you know, you should feel shame if you don't do it. And I know you talked about shame some too, but yeah. And that's so much of my childhood and, and, and actually most of my adulthood, you know, I'm in, in my early sixties now, was defined by what I should do, what I was responsible for, what I, you know, what I had to do.

And I discovered that, yeah. And I discovered that I loved that modality of working with the energy of people and helping them feel better. And low and behold, I have a knack for that. And I, you know, it's like now I have a knack for talking to people and that's, so, yeah. It's, it's interesting to me to see how those points lit up for me, leading me.

And I don't think I'm at my destination yet. I don't know where it's taking me, but each one of these sort of feeds into the next, in a, a beautiful way. When you look back at it, it's not always obvious when it's happening.

Laurin: Mm-hmm. I love that. Yeah. Pleasure is such a, it's like the carrot that gets us to do all the things that we don't wanna do, you know.

Allison: Like, isn't that great? Thank you for all of this. You know, ultimate creator, right?

Laurin: Yeah. So, I wonder how much of our dysfunctional culture comes from that denial of pleasure.

Allison: Mm-hmm.

Allison: And that is such a great, you know, segue into what blocks us from pleasure. You know, what blocks us from pleasure. Not only do we think it's extra, but we are kind of afraid of it because they're so we, we see pleasure as an unconscious act so often because we are disconnected from it. I mean, I do like to say if the whole world was living in their pleasure, it, we would be in heaven. And, and when I'm in full pleasure, I am in heaven regardless of what the world does. Right?

Laurin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yes, absolutely.

So, by connecting to the true desire, we then connect to the true pleasure. It's the elevated sense of pleasure. So, it would be maybe more accurate to say we're not pleasure seeking, but we're on a deeper level. We're desire seeking. We want to live our frequency.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Allison: And so how do we then connect to those? A lot of times, and this brings in shame, this is why I talk about shame. In order to get our needs and our desires met, we do whatever we know how to do.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

And when we're living in pure presence, of course, then it's, it's a different model that we're working with. But most of the time when we have unconsciousness in any area of our lives, we're trying to get those needs met and we just don't know how. And you know, we can go to a really basic example. If I'm hungry and I've never been taught what's healthy for my body, well then I'm just going to be trying to get nourishment in and I'm gonna eat Cheetos. Right?

Laurin: Right, right.

Allison: It's just, you know, and no shade to people who eat Cheetos, like have a treat. Right? You know, but, but…

Laurin: That doesn't, that doesn't satiate you. You know? It doesn't, it doesn't meet the need. And so, I start looking for something else.

Allison: Yes.

It's like where it's like, cuz it's just whatever it is that I need is not, I don't know what it is, enough to go, oh, I could go to the grocery store and pick up an apple and I'd be happy. You know? But so, I think that's a really visceral kind of example of, of that.

Allison: And this is what creates the shame cycle.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Allison: We have, we're these beautiful beings. Like just take a moment and, and just, even if you're listening to this, just like hug yourself for a moment and say, wow, you know what an incredible being this is. We are these absolutely incredible beings, and we're just trying to get our needs met.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Allison: And then being worried how that's being perceived in the world, and, you know, on and on.

Laurin: Yeah. Yeah.

Allison: Because we wouldn't have shame if we weren't worried about how it was perceived in the world. We would just forgive ourselves and we would just move forward, like, oh.

Laurin: Okay.

Allison: That didn't work. We'll try something else. Right?

Laurin: Yeah. There's that fear of judgment by, by others and yeah. Yeah.

Laurin: So, you coach a lot of people from what I understand. So, how do would you suggest as a starting place for somebody to figure out what their desires are?

Allison: Ooh, shame is a…

Laurin: Just a little question.

Allison: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it can be that potent, it can be a moment that just shifts your life. So, I don't wanna, you know, say it's gonna take lifetimes, because most of the time when you know, you know, when you know that pinpoint, there you go. You just move through it. So, it's awareness. But shame is that gateway.

Laurin: Hmm.

Shame doesn't exist on an on its own on this island. It's actually the gateway to more of our truth. And so, when we look at those areas where we're already feeling reticence, tightness, shame, then we can start to see, well, what is it that I want? What's the opposite? That's some a game that I play sometimes. What's the opposite of what I'm doing right now?

Laurin: Yes. Yeah.

Allison: You know? And what does it feel like? And sometimes we have to have other people help us to know what it feels like on the other side, cuz we've never experienced it.

Is that other way? But I like this looking at the opposite thing. That's really useful.

Allison: Yeah.

Laurin: Really useful. Yeah, because that's so much of, of my journey on you know, my spiritual journey. My awakening journey has been about noticing my emotions.

Allison: Yes.

Laurin: And then going, wait a minute, why am I feeling that way? For me, nine times out of 10, I was feeling like a victim, you know?

And so, once I learned to shift that to not, I'm a victim of this, but what's in this for me? So, it's sort of that opposite of being a victim. What's it, what's the opposite of being a victim, receiving something, you know? It's so it's the same kind of idea you're talking about here with shame is if I'm feeling shame and that, what's the opposite of that, going to the feeling, I think for me would be the first place.

Allison: Yes.

Laurin: And then, okay, what is, what would generate that feeling?

Allison: Yes, yes.

Allison: I've definitely experienced my fair share of shame, and it can be such a catapult. You know, it's interesting because one of my teachers really subscribed to Brene Brown.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Allison: Brene Brown talks a lot about shame.

Laurin: She studies shame.

Allison: Oh, such a beautiful, she's such a, an amazing speaker. And understanding that shame it makes us want to hide.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Allison: So, it's sort of self-fulfilling. It really causes us to go back when what, what hears shame is actually opening up about it. The moment that I say, you know, I feel a little scared saying this, but the moment that I say, man, I'm, I'm really embarrassed that I did this, but here it is, clears it.

So, you know, and we're all helping each other when we open these channels. When we activate, that's when we activate everyone around us to higher frequencies. So, we're, we're all doing it all the time, but what are we activating each other into? Right? Is it love?

Laurin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Hopefully.

Allison: So, it is our service. You know, I like to say this to people who are very spiritually minded. It is our service to the world to open these channels to move through the blocks of shame.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Allison: That's our service. You know, so if shame, if there's shame in the body, then that means that we're blocking part of our light for the rest of the world. We don't have an open channel in that area.

But when we move through it, we open the channels, which allows us to be big, big old light beams for other, for the rest of the planet.

Laurin: Right. That's basically the process I take people through that I work with as a healer is I, I feel like I, well, I know, you know how we know things, that there's stories that are stuck in the body and they're often trauma, shame that, you know, anger, they're things we don't want to admit to, and they get stuck in the body and the body reacts.

What did you learn from it? What's the good in it that you can do? And let go of the rest of it. And then I help them release it. And it's a beautiful thing, and it can happen like this. It doesn't take a long time to do. But it is that, that being willing to bring it up and look at it, acknowledge that there's something in there that was useful to you, you know, and then let it go.

And, and I know a lot of people who are, have had a lot of sexual trauma particularly, have a hard time with that. What was useful to me, the piece of it. So, you have to be a little gentle there, but there's always something of, use some wisdom, some, some experience that informs the rest of our lives in, in positive or negative ways we get to choose.

You know, so our pains are, oh, they just service in so many ways. Even though when we're experiencing them.

Laurin: Yeah. It's not fun.

Allison: They don't feel like it, and they feel so, it feels so real. It feels so real to our higher dimensional, cosmic, embodied self. It's, you know, it's just a, it's an experience, but to this, to this body, but to this body we feel. And that is real powerful alchemy to be able to understand how it's serving us and how we can then take it into greater consciousness and move forward with that.

Allison: Hmm. Okay. I'm just, so, I move a lot. I love dancing. I, you know cuz the energy moves through me. Right? So, and I also just want to, to say this before I move into this, that before we started recording, you and I Laurin, we came up with an agreement that if something starts to feel uncomfortable, we're just gonna name it.

Laurin: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Allison: And so, like I said, I mean, I just, oh, I just love the way that it feels to have this ecstatic body activated open to have this energy moving through me. And so, I'm very comfortable with it.

Laurin: Yeah.

Allison: I love it.

Laurin: Basically, I told her that I get a little uncomfortable talking about sex, but I'm of a generation where we, even though we were a bit freer to have it, we didn't talk about it, so, but I like to be stretched, so…

It's having those channels open so light is pouring through. And because we are physically, we're, we're physical right now and we're physically oriented toward pleasure. What happens when we are filled with light is we become highly orgasmic in all senses of the word.

And some people prefer to call those yin yang polarities because they're less based on gender. So, we've got these polarities, they mirror the physiology that happens in our, in our bodies when we're turned on. It's so fascinating, right? I'll give a brief example. Our chakras, when they are, when they are activated, they endlessly open.

That's the feminine principle. And what happens when they endlessly open, the light pours in. That's the masculine principle. I have a whole you know, I gave a talk on this. A big concept that was delivered to me is the next level of masculine and feminine polarity is actually light and sound.

So, the light being the masculine principle, the sound being the feminine.

Laurin: Huh? Oh, that's interesting. Yeah.

Allison: And then we can mirror that with the earth. The earth being, you know, so many people say Mother Earth, right?

Laurin: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Laurin: Yeah.

Allison: But I went on a tangent there.

Laurin: That's alright.

Allison: Cause, I get really excited about it. But essentially, you know, I'm, I'm really trying to draw the, the parallels because showing that what happens in our physical bodies is absolutely part of the greater truth of spirituality.

And we just have it in a more dense frequency is all. People who are used to higher frequencies are more comfortable in those higher frequencies. We tend to go, okay, body, what is this? What are we doing? Let's get that, like, ugh. But the amazing thing is when we channel light through our bodies, we get turned on.

Laurin: Oh gosh.

Allison: Right? Sounds a little overwhelming.

Laurin: It does. Yeah.

Allison: But we're talking about energy moving through the body and how our body translates this beautiful energy.

It is in the, it feels sexual. And so, what I do in my work, especially right now, it's, it's been calling to me for years, but I was shown at the beginning or at the end of last year when I did a channeling for the collective. This year is really about the body. So, we're talking about our dietary needs.

How can we feel safe within those, you know, sexual activations that are I mean, they're incredible. There's so many different ways that this energy moves through the body. Even laughing can be its own type of orgasmic experience in the body. So, there's just a lot of parallels.

Laurin: Okay. It's really, it's interesting because I am, I have been so aware that I need to be walking more and I, I've got, I've got an urge to go back to the gym, which is not, not me.

Allison: Same.

Laurin: It's like, I really wanna go lift some weights, you know, and that is so not me, but it's in my head and I'm like, okay.

I was thinking maybe it's just the coming out of the, quarantine years and that we all feel a little sluggish after that.

Allison: That would make sense.

Laurin: Yeah. But it does, it does make sense that okay. I, I’ll, yeah. Okay. You just put, put some pieces together for me, so…

Allison: Mm-hmm.

Laurin: So interesting. Okay. Lovely.

Allison: That’s orchestration, you know?

Laurin: Yes. And I always trust that when I get, I, I, one of the things I have learned about myself is I'll get ideas like that and it's like, okay, but I don't feel the forward motion of it.

And then all of a sudden it's like a, a, a switch flips. And I'm like, oh, I'm gonna go do that now, and then I'm all in. You know, it's, so I, I've learned to kind of wait for that moment, and it's okay to do that, but, but it's interesting that that is actually in the, in the zeitgeist.

Laurin: Okay. Yeah. I used to kind of feel shame that I knew I should do something, but I just didn't have any impetus towards it. And then I realized I changed very rapidly when the moment arrives.

Allison: There we go.

Laurin: Yeah, yeah. And I like to call that divine right timing. My favorite time zone, DRT.

Allison: That's so good.

Laurin: And, and yeah, so just, you know, trusting that I'm not being slothful. I am just, it's not the right time for me to do that, for whatever reason, and I don't even need to know why. So. Yeah. Yeah. So, I've learned a few things.

Allison: I love it.

Allison: Oh, yay. We were flowing.

Laurin: Yeah. Yeah. And then in fact, I'll be perfectly honest and say that I experienced that sort of orgasmic stuff when I was just starting to waken up. And I, I was like very shocked by it. And I do have the separation still of spirits up here, and I wanna go play in the, in the high vibration, but the body needs some attention too.

So, I'm very much in alignment with that needing to happen. So, I appreciate the message.

Allison: Absolutely.

Laurin: So…

Allison: You know, our, our…

Laurin: It's really fun to be up there. It's not always fun to be down here.

Allison: It's fun. And then, and you know, I mean, again, as a starseed, like so disconnected from the earth. I literally remember the time in my twenties, the first time I noticed my, my physical aura touched the ground.

Laurin: Oh, wow.

Laurin: Absolutely.

Allison: And we don't shy away from the earth, right? Well, some of us do. You know, don't wanna go outside, it's cold. Well, actually, my guides have been telling me go outside all the time.

Laurin: Right.

Allison: But if we, you know, if we look at honoring the physical body as a parallel process to honoring the planet, honoring the earth.

Laurin: Hmm.

Allison: And how much wisdom this planet holds for us that we can channel that wisdom through. I've been told abundance, all of my abundance and prosperity learning is with working with the earth.

Laurin: mm-hmm.

Laurin: Right, right.

Allison: It's incredible.

Laurin: That's, I love the early days of the, of the quarantine and all the pictures that started to come out from around the world about how fast the earth healed herself.

Allison: Yes.

Laurin: Animals returned. You could see the Himalayas from, you know, villages that had never been able to see them for decades. And, and the air was clear and, and it just, you know, and nature just like, wow, it went crazy. It's like, yeah, this is cool. We can do whatever we want to. Yeah.

Allison: We return to the truth of who we are, our physical bodies do the same thing.

Laurin: Hmm. Okay. Lovely, lovely. Okay. So interesting. All right. Tell us a little bit about your, your new book that's coming out.

Laurin: I got my copy right here.

Allison: Our little copies.

Laurin: I highly recommend it. I've still got a little bit of reading to do cuz I have to savor it. It's like I have to like, let it kind of sink in and then I move on to the next chapter.

Allison: I hear you. It is all channeled guidance. And what the era of the true creator, the way that I think of it is it takes us through that initial awakening. It says, here's where we're starting, and then we move through and we move into that fifth dimensional consciousness where we understand we are creators.

So Ecstatic Playground is, hey, now that we know we're creators, how do we play?

Laurin: Mm.

We start experiencing everything happening in the now and you know, so many other things open up for us. Ecstatic body is one of those things. I talk about ecstatic body briefly in The Era of the True Creator, but I go a lot more into ecstasy and moving energy through our bodies in ecstatic playground.

I have a feeling that book three is going to be a lot more about the body, but I'll let you know when I get the download.

Laurin: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm looking forward to that one cuz that was one of the things that you channeled for me. When we met before was that I needed to play more and, and it's, and you're, what you channeled for me was just to be spontaneous and I, it, it totally works. So…

Allison: I know. 80 is kind of scary, isn't it? You're like, I'm so out of control.

Laurin: I don't have time for that.

Laurin: But I have a, I have a two-year-old dog and she loves to play. So, I've, instead of saying, wait, no, I gotta finish this. I get up and I play with her and, you know, and, and we throw the ball around and do all kinds of stuff. So that's really helped me to, you know, be more connected to her too, which is lovely.

So, yeah.

Allison: I love it.

Laurin: Play is, play is something that is, I think a lost art once we get out of about the, you know, the five or six year old.

Allison: Isn't that crazy? And here, I mean, here's a new layer. Okay, so I'm just gonna briefly introduce this. Theta state, theta brainwave state is where I channel from, right? It's where we receive our intuitive guidance. It's where we move out of you know, that monkey mind and we can really start to open up to those higher frequencies and both hemispheres of the brain have perfect coherence in theta state.

Guess who else is in theta state all of the time?

Allison: Little kids.

Laurin: Wow.

Allison: Up until they're about seven or eight. They're always in theta state and they are always playing.

Laurin: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Allison: Right? So, there's a big, there's a big ticket here, right?

Laurin: Yeah. Yeah.

Allison: Where we are always channeling.

Laurin: Yes.

Allison: And, and we're playing in different ways. Yes, we've grown up, we're, we're not necessarily going to go play with toy dinosaurs.

Laurin: Right.

Allison: Although sometimes I do.

Laurin: Yeah.

Allison: It’s part of my pleasure practice is doing whatever I want, but we are going to play on a new level and that's really what I'm really, what I'm excited to share with people.

Laurin: Okay. I can't wait. I'm really looking forward to it. So, let's, we're gonna, we're just about at the end of our time here. Tell, tell the listeners where they can find you and also tell them about the course that you've got starting soon.

Laurin: And we'll have it in the show notes.

Allison: Okay, perfect. I love it. It makes it easier so you don't have to write it all down. And, you know, the course that I have starting in March and this'll be actually the third time that I offer this course, it's called Ecstasy. And in this course, really what I do, it's six weeks long. What we do is we connect that spiritual with the body. We connect it with, you know, our sexual nature.

So, these are your take home. These are things that you can always have with you. And then I offer teachings around the way that our energy works, new insights, new ways of looking at things so that we can start to let go of those old programs and be authentic to ourselves. And then the third part that I offer is activations.

So, because I am in my ecstatic body, these activations naturally flow through me all the time, and I consciously transmit those activations within the course as well. So, with all of those pieces. People go from feeling really reticent about their sexual energy, not knowing how to get those needs met, or, you know, even people who are very already open in that realm, but they know that there's more for them.

You know, we talk about boundaries. We talk about centering ourselves. We talk about our own needs as well. So, it's very much, this course is really catered to people who are really living a spiritual life and also knowing that the body is calling to them.

Laurin: Yeah. Yeah. It's makes perfect sense cuz it's just such a, we have this beautiful vehicle that we, you know, that we're living in.

Allison: Yes.

Laurin: And we're connected to all that wonderfulness around us.

Allison: Yes.

Laurin: And learning to combine those two in one in a harmonious way…

Laurin: Sounds like the perfect situation for, for us humans.

Allison: Yes. Yes, it is. It is. It's like, let's get grounded so we can make magic here.

Laurin: Yeah. Yeah. And grounding is something that I find with almost every one of my clients. I have to teach them how to do that.

Allison: Oh yeah. Trust me. I didn't know either, it's…

Laurin: I didn't either, which is why I can teach it, you know.

Allison: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's so true.

Laurin: Well Allison, this has been everything I knew it would and more. And I really, really just really appreciate your sharing all your wisdom and your experience with us. It's been a real joy and pleasure.

Allison: Oh.

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