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'Rejoicing in Mortality' with The Rt Revd Dr Martin Gainsborough, Bishop of Kingston | Lent Audio Retreat | 2025 | Week One
Episode 19th March 2025 • St Augustine's College Audio Retreats • St Augustine's College of Theology
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Welcome to Rejoicing in Mortality, the first episode of our Lent 2025 podcast series ‘The Joys of Spring.’

Lent invites us to slow down and reflect on life's deeper meaning. And to begin this journey, Bishop Martin, Bishop of Kingston, invites you to think about what it means to rejoice in our mortality.

With warmth and honesty, he discusses the emotions that come with knowing life is finite.

Through personal stories, poetry, and wisdom from Christian liturgy, he shows how faith can help us find sorrow, gratitude, and even joy in the face of death.

This week is a time to pause and think about the deeper meaning of life and listen to a message of hope this Lenten season.

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I am Bishop Martin, the Bishop of Kingston

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in the Diocese of Southwark, situated

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south of the River Thames in London, in

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case you're wondering where Southwark is.

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I've been set the rather wonderful task

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of exploring whether, how, we might

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rejoice in our mortality as Christians.

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I say as Christian, but I make no

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assumption about your faith or beliefs.

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But just to say I'll be exploring today's

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topic from a Christian, no doubt Anglican

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perspective, as that is my heritage.

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So do we rejoice in our mortality?

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Can we?

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Should we?

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And what does the Christian

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faith have to say on the matter?

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As I've reflected on these questions, I've

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looked at Church of England liturgies,

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our authorised orders of service,

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what do they say on these matters?

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Particularly the funeral

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service over the ages, so both

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contemporary and historic liturgies.

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But also material for All Saints

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and All Souls Day, when Christians

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remember who have gone before us.

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And I've also looked at poetry.

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There are some beautiful poems

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exploring questions of our

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mortality, death, and dying.

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What I want to argue, what I want to

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suggest, is that there is joy to be

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had, even rejoicing as we contemplate

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our mortality, or the fact that our

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earthly lives will come to an end.

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That part of the Christian vocation is to

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come to terms with our mortality, to live

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fuller, more human lives as followers of

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Jesus, knowing that our lives are finite.

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But this is not easy, it is

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the journey of a lifetime.

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And therefore there are lots of

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other feelings or emotions, beyond

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joy and rejoicing, surrounding our

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mortality as we contemplate our end.

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And that these are recognised and

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understood within Christianity, as part

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and parcel of what it is to be human.

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Let me begin with a personal story,

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something I experienced recently,

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which opens up some common emotions

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as we contemplate our mortality.

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Recently, my wife and I had to say

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goodbye to two of our children as one

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set off to work in Australia, the other

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set off to travel around the world.

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Yes, we've reached that stage of

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life, of children fleeing the nest.

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And having just said goodbye to

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one of my children, I turned on

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the radio to find Samuel Barber's

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Adagio for Strings playing.

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I don't know if you know it,

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it was popularised in the

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film Platoon some years ago.

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But the music chimed with my

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mood, and I felt a deep sense of

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sadness, even as I rejoiced that

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my children are living their lives.

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But the thought that struck me as I

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listened to the music was that maybe my

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temporary saying goodbye to my children

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was perhaps a kind of dress rehearsal

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for a much more permanent saying goodbye

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at some unknown point in the future.

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It also made me think of the death of

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my father and how for some time I simply

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could not believe he was not with us.

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So while there may be ways in which we

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can and should come to terms with our

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mortality, and even rejoice in it, we need

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to acknowledge a range of other emotions.

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When my father died, a

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part of me was incredulous.

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This is ridiculous, I thought.

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He cannot not be here.

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And part of me also wanted

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to rail against God.

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Why?

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Why, Lord, have you so ordained it?

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Though this begs the question of

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what the alternative might be.

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So if we acknowledge, as we think

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about our mortality, that there are

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likely to be a range of emotions,

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sadness at the prospect of separation

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from our loved ones, or from

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the aching beauty of the world.

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Fear of the unknown,

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what do we think may await us beyond

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this earthly life, beyond the grave?

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What we find, though, is that Christianity

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acknowledges these things, seeks

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to express them in its liturgies.

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The 1662 Order for the Burial of the Dead

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expresses the shortness of our lives thus.

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Man that is born of a woman hath but a

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short time to live, and is full of misery.

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He cometh up and is cut

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down, like a flower.

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He fleeth as it were a shadow, and

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never continueth in one's stay.

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Or the grief of loss.

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The Pastoral Introduction to the Common

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Worship Funeral Service reads, even

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those who share the Christian faith,

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find that there is a real sense of

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loss at the death of a loved one.

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We will each have had our own

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experiences of their life and death,

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with different memories and different

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feelings of love, grief and respect.

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Or the pain of death itself, even

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allowing for advances in medical

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science and especially palliative care.

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We only have to think of Jesus

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on the cross to be reminded

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of the agony of some deaths.

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People dying in terrible

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circumstances, lives cut short

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before they've scarcely begun, and

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doubting God at the moment of death.

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My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

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Christianity acknowledges these

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things, and also the pain of parting.

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I think of the passage in John's

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Gospel when Jesus is on the cross and

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he sees his mother and the disciple

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whom he loved standing next to her.

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'Woman,' Jesus says, 'here is your

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son,' and to the disciple, 'here is

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your mother.' Profoundly moving words

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as Jesus says farewell and entrusts

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his mother to his disciple's care.

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But is this all there is to say?

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No, it's not.

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And where does joy, and even

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rejoicing in our mortality, fit in?

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Much of our contemporary life is lived

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in complete denial of our mortality.

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Indeed, it's as if much of what we do,

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much of what we consume, is designed

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to stop us thinking about such things.

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So, distracted, living life at

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such a pace, moving from one thing

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to the next, cramming our days.

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We try and exist thinking it will

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never end, in denial of our mortality.

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And this is not how life is to be lived.

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Is it not idolatry, to

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make an idol of our lives?

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Is it not sin, an attempt to live as

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if we are gods, forgetting that we

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are mortal, finite, from dust we have

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come, and to the dust we shall return?

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But living in this way, in denial of our

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mortality, trying to live as if there

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are no limits, is profoundly harmful.

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It is harmful for ourselves,

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it's not a recipe for flourishing.

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It is not to acknowledge our humanity

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as God has made us, our fragility,

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our dependence, our impermanence.

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And it's profoundly harmful to the planet

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too, where a denial of limits, failing

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to live within planetary boundaries, is

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the cause of so much harm and degradation

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that humans have wreaked on the planet.

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Not to acknowledge our mortality, to

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live as if there are no limits, is

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to wander from how God intended it.

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And there is a different way, a

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better and more fulfilling way.

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We cannot know exactly what awaits

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us beyond this earthly life.

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We know that our bodies,

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including our brains, will decay.

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They will not survive death.

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And yet Christianity holds out a

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hope that death is not the end.

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That the God who loves us, made

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us, knows us better than we know

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ourselves, will not let us go.

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The theologian Keith Ward, drawing

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on Saint Paul, writes as follows.

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Christians believe in the

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resurrection of the body.

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This is not the physical body, it is

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a spiritual body in which the mental

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content of individuals is embodied

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in a new form beyond death and decay.

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The resurrection is not in this physical

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universe, Ward says, but it is in a

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realm in which individuals continue

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to exist in a way that extends their

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experience in the physical world,

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in the continuing journey into God.

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And more poetically, our

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liturgy is expressed as follows.

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And yes, there is joy and rejoicing.

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In one of the closing prayers set for

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the funeral service, for instance, we

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hear God will show us the path of life.

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In his presence is the fullness

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of joy, and at his right hand

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there is pleasure forevermore.

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Unto him that is able to keep us

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from falling, and to present us

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faultless before the presence of

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his glory, with exceeding joy.

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Or in the same service, in a prayer

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to our compassionate and merciful God,

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In your mercy, turn the darkness of

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death into the dawn of new life, and

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the sorrow of parting into the joy of

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heaven, through our Saviour Jesus Christ.

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Or, in the proper preface for the

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All Souls Day Eucharist, we are

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reminded of the implications for

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us of Jesus' victory over death.

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And now we give you thanks

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through Christ Jesus, our Lord,

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in him who rose from the dead.

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Our hope of resurrection dawned.

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The sting of death has been removed by

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the glorious promise of his risen life.

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So yes, we do rejoice.

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We give thanks for what Jesus

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has done for us, the victory

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over death, won on the cross.

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He has won for us a glorious victory.

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We give thanks for the lives that we

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live, for those who enrich our lives and

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give them meaning and purpose, for the

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gift of those who've gone before us, the

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communion of saints, who in Christian

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understanding are always very close to us.

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And in faith, we rejoice in all God's

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good gifts and look ahead in hope and

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expectation to our eternal home that

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God has prepared for those who love him.

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So in the words of John

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Henry Newman, let us pray.

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Support us, O Lord, all the day long of

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this troublous life, until the shadows

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lengthen and the evening comes, the

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busy world is hushed, the fever of

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life is over, and our work is done.

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Then, Lord, in your mercy,

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grant us a safe lodging, a holy

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rest, and peace at the last.

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Through Christ Jesus our Lord.

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Amen.

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