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Have you ever wondered how one of the first major cities in America was founded in 1638 and became one of the biggest East Coast tourist destinations?
Jenn tells us all about the founding of Williamsburg, Virginia, and how the founding fathers in the colonial era shaped the nation from the very spot where you can get a carriage ride for your loved one!
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Speaker:Disneyland historians Disneyland
Speaker:Colonial Williamsburg yes
Speaker:so tell me about Colonial Williamsburg
Speaker:Jen so Colonial Williamsburg is at the
Speaker:eastern part of Virginia uh it's kind of
Speaker:Southern Eastern so away from DC but
Speaker:it's part of what they call the historic
Speaker:triangle yeah that's right so you have
Speaker:Williamsburg you have Yorktown and you
Speaker:have Jamestown all of them are so
Speaker:relevant to American history and they're
Speaker:all within 20 minutes of each other and
Speaker:they form kind of like a triangle yeah
Speaker:so they call it the historic triangle
Speaker:and and one thing that I didn't realize
Speaker:being a West Coast kid so I come out
Speaker:here and you tell me about Colonial
Speaker:Williamsburg and I've like maybe heard
Speaker:of it but it's a huge draw it's the
Speaker:biggest tourist attraction in Virginia
Speaker:is it really yes I didn't know that it
Speaker:is so it's it's huge it it's been
Speaker:recreated to look like it did during the
Speaker:colonial era yeah and so many people
Speaker:want to go and engage because it's such
Speaker:a large area and it there's so much to
Speaker:kind of walk around around and see that
Speaker:people just want to go and spend the day
Speaker:and take in all of the attractions and
Speaker:the history so we have gone there a
Speaker:number of times yeah we've probably been
Speaker:there at least a dozen times now and I
Speaker:think our first time we were just so
Speaker:blown away that we bought like the year
Speaker:pass and so it just brought us back and
Speaker:the draw of Williamsburg is there is
Speaker:different things to see at different
Speaker:times of the year
Speaker:yeah that that was something that I I I
Speaker:guess I should have expected but I
Speaker:didn't expect and we even missed a
Speaker:couple things and we tried to hit
Speaker:everything sure so they do like they do
Speaker:Christmas they decorate for Christmas
Speaker:it's a very Colonial Christmas they do
Speaker:the Fourth of July it's very
Speaker:fireworks and patriotic and they marched
Speaker:down the street so they do the fall you
Speaker:know festivals and they put up ice
Speaker:skating rinks so they try to make it
Speaker:vary with the time yeah well there's an
Speaker:occasion to come in any time of year yes
Speaker:and like any like you've taught me any
Speaker:good museum is changing their displays
Speaker:constantly and so they basically have
Speaker:like a a monthly event calendar so you
Speaker:can kind of see what they're doing and
Speaker:where to go and who to talk to yeah so
Speaker:so so tell us about the the history of
Speaker:Colonial Williamsburg why is it such a
Speaker:big deal in such a big draw so it was
Speaker:founded in 1632 it was a colony it was
Speaker:the Virginia colony and it's the center
Speaker:of political events really around the
Speaker:American Revolution so that's kind of
Speaker:what made it such a a Pinnacle Point in
Speaker:American history the College of William
Speaker:and Mary is there yeah and it's the
Speaker:second oldest institution in uh
Speaker:institution of learning in America
Speaker:behind Harvard but it was uh founded in
Speaker:1693 and so who's William right who's
Speaker:William who's Mary so King William III
Speaker:is where you get Williamsburg from he's
Speaker:the king at this time and then his wife
Speaker:is Mary and when William is the king of
Speaker:both Ireland
Speaker:um Scotland and England so there you'll
Speaker:see a lot of these when you walk around
Speaker:and you go to like the palace or you go
Speaker:to the governor's
Speaker:um the governor's Palace you go to the
Speaker:Capitol you'll see a lot of the coat of
Speaker:arms oh yeah it'll have the unicorn and
Speaker:the lion and it's because the Unicorn
Speaker:represents Scotland because they believe
Speaker:in those mythical creatures and the line
Speaker:will represent England
Speaker:yeah I don't think again me not being a
Speaker:history guy I don't think I put that
Speaker:together so so learning as a talk on the
Speaker:podcast so those coat of arms you'll see
Speaker:all over the place and then when William
Speaker:dies well his Mary dies First and
Speaker:William dies and Queen Anne becomes
Speaker:Queen and she's really Pinnacle with
Speaker:like
Speaker:sustaining Williamsburg and helping them
Speaker:grow and get bigger and she's actually
Speaker:the sister of Mary Mary and Anne are the
Speaker:legitimate Heirs of the throne yeah and
Speaker:so when Mary marries William he becomes
Speaker:king but as soon as he dies and Mary
Speaker:dies it goes back to Mary's line since
Speaker:she's the they have no children so Queen
Speaker:Anne becomes Queen
Speaker:and she um so that's why their name is
Speaker:plastered all over everything it's all
Speaker:over everything and so College while you
Speaker:and Mary you get Thomas Jefferson you
Speaker:get George Washington got a surveyor
Speaker:license from the way the college boy
Speaker:would marry you get James Monroe you get
Speaker:John Tyler these are all presidents that
Speaker:have gone to William and Mary so
Speaker:it's just a lot of
Speaker:historic places
Speaker:1699 it becomes the capital of Virginia
Speaker:so yeah it's actually Williamsburg is
Speaker:the capital and
Speaker:it's not until Thomas Jefferson decides
Speaker:to move it during the American
Speaker:Revolution in 1780 for protection
Speaker:because Williamsburg is really close to
Speaker:the water
Speaker:opening the Chesapeake Bay would be
Speaker:technically easier for someone to yeah
Speaker:so the British and cannons yeah the
Speaker:British will have easy access so he
Speaker:moves it further up River where it's not
Speaker:as accessible by ship right to Richmond
Speaker:and then and so in 1790 Richmond becomes
Speaker:the capital of Virginia
Speaker:and Williamsburg is
Speaker:I wouldn't say forgotten but it's kind
Speaker:of it goes into disrepair I mean the
Speaker:College of William Mary is still there
Speaker:but it's kind of untouched you get
Speaker:Farmers that live there and locals but
Speaker:it's really not
Speaker:it's not modernized it's not as
Speaker:populated and then it's it's a sleepy
Speaker:town in the early 20th century but there
Speaker:is a reverend at Brewton Parish which is
Speaker:the church there the church that Thomas
Speaker:Jefferson goes to Children's and George
Speaker:Washington goes to church and he wants
Speaker:to
Speaker:bring back the history he wants to give
Speaker:it back to America so he
Speaker:tries to find philanthropists who are
Speaker:interested in something like that and he
Speaker:lands on the best one yeah he lands a
Speaker:whale yeah he gets John D Rockefeller Jr
Speaker:so the director I don't think a standard
Speaker:one I don't think I realized that
Speaker:because it again from you know if we if
Speaker:we give the kind of behind the scenes
Speaker:perspective right we go into the YouTube
Speaker:realm of things right we talk about how
Speaker:we're learning and I'm learning about
Speaker:Colonial Williamsburg literally like as
Speaker:we're there and you're bouncing off the
Speaker:walls with excitement and you're telling
Speaker:me about all these things I'm like oh
Speaker:that's great you know this is so
Speaker:historical and it and I was
Speaker:flabbergasted at how big it was 300
Speaker:acres it's I mean it's huge and it's
Speaker:well done but I don't think in my brain
Speaker:when you get there you're like oh this
Speaker:must have been like this for as long as
Speaker:Williamsburg has been around I didn't
Speaker:realize it was literally like kind of
Speaker:brought back to life
Speaker:yeah about the 1920s so the early 20th
Speaker:century
Speaker:um Rockefeller and his wife are very
Speaker:instrumental bringing all the financial
Speaker:backing and they take 88 original
Speaker:structures and then they build like
Speaker:hundreds of reconstructed structures and
Speaker:open up this colonial historic area and
Speaker:it's basically a Living Museum yeah no
Speaker:it it's super super cool and like the
Speaker:folks walking around tell me about some
Speaker:of the the like the characters walking
Speaker:so that's what it's a Living Museum they
Speaker:employ all of these different types of
Speaker:people who recreate The Artisans and the
Speaker:occupations of the time they are in the
Speaker:actual buildings and locations so you
Speaker:can walk in and and see a milliner and
Speaker:she's making dresses or you'll walk in
Speaker:and see a wig maker and they talk about
Speaker:who would make Who would wear these wigs
Speaker:and they know a lot they know a lot like
Speaker:I mean they're they're ready for little
Speaker:kid questions and adult questions it's
Speaker:amazing they talk about how you know
Speaker:George Washington never wore a wig they
Speaker:talk about people who would wear wigs
Speaker:all the time when would you change to
Speaker:wigs and and how you would get them made
Speaker:to your specific head size yeah that was
Speaker:one of the more interesting shops that
Speaker:we finally got to recently because I
Speaker:guess they're not open as often as some
Speaker:of the other places yeah so those are
Speaker:the we will do another podcast on top
Speaker:tips yeah and I'll give you some top
Speaker:tips of visiting but you have to catch
Speaker:them weather open yeah but like the
Speaker:Apothecary like what people did for
Speaker:medicine at the time so these people are
Speaker:so knowledgeable they stay in character
Speaker:they wear the colonial dress
Speaker:and it's really amazing if you can
Speaker:engage with a historical character oh
Speaker:yeah so so a whole lot before you go
Speaker:where I know it where you're going so
Speaker:for the for the the folks listening
Speaker:right Jen's birthday is in December time
Speaker:frame and so depending on on what we can
Speaker:do whether it's a big birthday or
Speaker:something like that you know um
Speaker:sometimes for us as parents it's nice
Speaker:just to get away for an afternoon or a
Speaker:day or whatever like that so Jen takes
Speaker:off for her birthday and she drives to
Speaker:Colonial Williamsburg we'd already been
Speaker:there probably six or seven times
Speaker:she does the she spends the whole day I
Speaker:don't know if it was Saturday or what
Speaker:date I think it was like the middle of
Speaker:the week was the middle of the week
Speaker:because the kids were in school and you
Speaker:come back and you're like Scott I got to
Speaker:talk to Lafayette oh my gosh the Marquis
Speaker:De Lafayette I
Speaker:saw him walking down the street and I'm
Speaker:like is that who I think it is and then
Speaker:I walked up and I said good morning sir
Speaker:and he started speaking in French and
Speaker:then I said you know
Speaker:um sorry sorry I only speak English and
Speaker:so then he started engaging in English
Speaker:with me and it was amazing he stayed in
Speaker:character and and for those listening
Speaker:guests this is the same Lafayette in
Speaker:Hamilton yes insane Lafayette and he
Speaker:knew his his information yeah I asked
Speaker:him about the Battle of Yorktown I asked
Speaker:him where he stayed in Williamsburg as
Speaker:he was there with George Washington and
Speaker:and as they were there with Rochambeau
Speaker:and how they were strategizing he could
Speaker:tell me where they were staying and
Speaker:where they strategized at then I asked
Speaker:him about his comeback tour of America
Speaker:and where he went and who he talked to
Speaker:and we talked for like 10 minutes yeah
Speaker:and people walked by and I think they
Speaker:were nervous to engage and he he would
Speaker:greet them yeah but that they want you
Speaker:to talk to them yeah and I can see how
Speaker:people would be nervous because they're
Speaker:like in they're in full dress right they
Speaker:stay in care character and we'll talk
Speaker:about more of that on the next podcast
Speaker:where we're going to give some top tips
Speaker:like you said I didn't realize that he
Speaker:started talking to you in French yes
Speaker:yeah because a lot of people around
Speaker:there you weren't you wouldn't know
Speaker:exactly where people would be from right
Speaker:right because the French is helping so
Speaker:much and so you do have to and some
Speaker:people actually are schooled in French
Speaker:at the time you would learn it yeah so
Speaker:he's he's engaging with that language
Speaker:first
Speaker:um which would make sense yeah that's
Speaker:cool that's a that's a neat little
Speaker:tidbit it was so great and I just I I
Speaker:just had had a great day I got to see a
Speaker:colonial play so they recreated a play
Speaker:that would have been shown about the
Speaker:1780s in Colonial Williamsburg and it
Speaker:was like a it was kind of like a a play
Speaker:about couples and Christmas time so it
Speaker:was it was great so I really
Speaker:enjoyed that but again you want to catch
Speaker:some of these events because sometimes
Speaker:the historical figures will be in one
Speaker:location on a stage and they'll give you
Speaker:kind of a talk or something so let's
Speaker:move back to a little bit more of the
Speaker:history of Colonial Williamsburg so like
Speaker:I mean who are someone like the the
Speaker:buzzword like the big names that
Speaker:everybody would know that were like
Speaker:living there working there you know
Speaker:before it went into disrepair and before
Speaker:things moved up to Richmond sure you're
Speaker:gonna know Thomas Jefferson sure of
Speaker:course he goes to school at William and
Speaker:Mary he's very influenced by
Speaker:um George with and we go in on one of
Speaker:our videos yeah we go to the George with
Speaker:house yeah and then and if correct me if
Speaker:I'm wrong but George with actually kind
Speaker:of helped Thomas Jefferson formulate
Speaker:some of his thoughts on Law and the
Speaker:legal system huge influencer Thomas
Speaker:Jefferson so much so he shows so much
Speaker:respect to him he keeps that spot open
Speaker:on the Declaration of Independence
Speaker:that's right we've got a whole video on
Speaker:George with and that and so he and he's
Speaker:he has a statue of him in front of the
Speaker:law school of William Mary because he's
Speaker:such a father of American law yeah and
Speaker:so you have Thomas Jefferson you have
Speaker:people like George with the sign of
Speaker:declaration independence you have um of
Speaker:course George Washington you're going to
Speaker:have Madison you're going to have
Speaker:Martha Washington close by her family is
Speaker:going to live there so you're going to
Speaker:have these early founding fathers of
Speaker:course James Monroe and John Tyler both
Speaker:also go to William and Mary so you have
Speaker:presidents Through Time who go there and
Speaker:this place has been visited by Queen
Speaker:Elizabeth twice 1957 and 2007. so we I
Speaker:stand on the staircase where she stood
Speaker:yeah so in in the uh the Williamsburg
Speaker:Inn the Colonial Williamsburg they have
Speaker:pictures of her visit yeah so you'll get
Speaker:like Churchill has been there Eisenhower
Speaker:has been there President Bush has been
Speaker:there modern day president President
Speaker:Obama has been there the ninth G7 Summit
Speaker:was held there oh I didn't know that yes
Speaker:so it's it's been very there's been a
Speaker:couple presidential debates held there
Speaker:oh at the College of William Mary oh so
Speaker:it's it's just so much a part of
Speaker:American History yeah now when you know
Speaker:you talk about the historic triangle so
Speaker:there's obviously there's places to stay
Speaker:in the greater area but as far as like
Speaker:staying in Colonial Williamsburg what
Speaker:what are people's options because we had
Speaker:our one thing sure and we'll talk about
Speaker:that here in just a second but there's a
Speaker:couple different options for folks to
Speaker:stay at well I'm sure you know of course
Speaker:you can stay at the Colonial
Speaker:Williamsburg again yeah it's as a big
Speaker:one it's amazing and it's beautiful it's
Speaker:really nice okay the other hotels around
Speaker:in the area yeah now you're gonna have
Speaker:this is a draw for families so Busch
Speaker:Gardens is there yeah there's there's a
Speaker:whole lot in the area but as far as like
Speaker:in Williamsburg proper and really what I
Speaker:was driving it was like I want to talk
Speaker:about cleaning Williamsburg in and then
Speaker:where we stayed and it's a Colonial
Speaker:House Colonial House
Speaker:Williamsburg yeah yeah so I in my mind I
Speaker:kind of see them as as separate right
Speaker:um but the Colonial Williamsburg in I
Speaker:mean that's that's the big place and I I
Speaker:mean I have friends that like their kids
Speaker:do soccer tournaments in the greater in
Speaker:the Williamsburg area
Speaker:um well it's still modern day I mean
Speaker:you'll see if you go to visit don't be
Speaker:surprised to see people jogging through
Speaker:yeah you see college kids jogging
Speaker:through the streets and they're just you
Speaker:know because it's it's a very just it's
Speaker:way by the college it's very modern day
Speaker:uh I think when we were there there was
Speaker:actually a run and organization 5K was
Speaker:happening so don't be surprised to see
Speaker:things like that it's still a very
Speaker:active place for the community
Speaker:but yeah I would the Colonial
Speaker:Williamsburg is is like the ideal place
Speaker:to stay and if you can do like we did
Speaker:and stay in a colonial home so so so
Speaker:tell us a little bit tell the listeners
Speaker:right because they may not know that I'm
Speaker:like the best husband ever and I got you
Speaker:an amazing 15-year anniversary gift so
Speaker:it's our 15-year anniversary and Scott
Speaker:surprised me with um a weekend in a
Speaker:Colonial House the Lewis house and the
Speaker:Lewis house was
Speaker:on the property of Martha Washington's
Speaker:grandfather's property right and
Speaker:I think he rented out the house I don't
Speaker:think he lived there I don't think Lewis
Speaker:was his name no so if I remember right
Speaker:from when I was making the video I think
Speaker:it actually like it was one of his homes
Speaker:one of his properties one of his
Speaker:properties he eventually he eventually
Speaker:sold it yes he eventually sold it and
Speaker:then I think that's the person he sold
Speaker:it to is Lewis yes
Speaker:um but it's it's highly probable that
Speaker:Martha Washington as a as a young child
Speaker:absolutely was in the garden was in the
Speaker:garden was walking around I mean here
Speaker:here you know she was uh what was her
Speaker:maiden name I'm trying to remember off
Speaker:the top of my head oh I don't know I
Speaker:know custis was her first married name
Speaker:that's right that's right I don't
Speaker:remember what her maiden made I don't
Speaker:remember either but it was I mean it was
Speaker:really cool because
Speaker:when you're walking around Williamsburg
Speaker:you don't kind of know what might be an
Speaker:office
Speaker:or what might be one of these homes that
Speaker:you can stay in or a Tavern or something
Speaker:like that yes and so the Lewis house was
Speaker:a three-bedroom Colonial house and we
Speaker:had the whole house and it had a little
Speaker:kitchenette it had bathrooms it had it
Speaker:was just an amazing place and we had the
Speaker:run of the whole place so if you go
Speaker:there with your family it's a great
Speaker:place to stay with your family and I
Speaker:mean it's literally like across the
Speaker:street from the Williamsburg Inn and
Speaker:then the next block over is the main
Speaker:drag of Colonial Williamsburg so
Speaker:um I think her last name was
Speaker:Dandridge Martha Dandridge okay that
Speaker:sounds that sounds right but um staying
Speaker:there was amazing so there's lots of
Speaker:options and and I think I know this a
Speaker:little bit better than you because I did
Speaker:all the research trying to find the just
Speaker:the right place for our 15-year
Speaker:anniversary so there's there's places
Speaker:where you can kind of um some of the
Speaker:smaller homes right and so they're
Speaker:actually some of the bigger buildings
Speaker:that's but that's because there's three
Speaker:or four rooms right it's kind of almost
Speaker:like more like a motel style they try to
Speaker:mimic like a Tavern right type idea so
Speaker:if you were gonna stay in a in a
Speaker:colonial Tavern what would that look
Speaker:like so they have some bigger buildings
Speaker:that are called taverns yeah and you can
Speaker:rent the rooms upstairs and stay in a
Speaker:Tavern now they're modernized
Speaker:to be American you know with the modern
Speaker:amenities but um but it gives you that
Speaker:idea yeah and so yes you can get a house
Speaker:like we did you can stay in a Tavern
Speaker:room you can actually stay in some that
Speaker:they they label as like there's like the
Speaker:oral house and then there's the oral
Speaker:Kitchen yes right and so we talk about
Speaker:this a little on our video that every
Speaker:house or Manor usually had a kitchen
Speaker:would be which would be a whole nother
Speaker:Standalone structure behind the main
Speaker:house it would not be connected by walls
Speaker:it would have space between it and
Speaker:that's because of fair fire and so what
Speaker:they have done for some of these
Speaker:kitchens is they have made them small
Speaker:little
Speaker:um basically like Studios or one
Speaker:bedrooms if you also wanted to rent
Speaker:those you could stay in the kitchen and
Speaker:it's confusing because you'd be like why
Speaker:would I want to stay in the kitchen but
Speaker:it's it's part of the house yeah it's
Speaker:just not connected yeah and honestly
Speaker:like I that's exactly what I thought
Speaker:when I was looking this stuff up I was
Speaker:like why is this saying in the kitchen
Speaker:like I'm I don't I don't get it right
Speaker:and then once you educated me thank you
Speaker:very much
Speaker:um I was like oh that's why because it's
Speaker:a separate structure but it's on the
Speaker:same basically lot
Speaker:um so it Colonial Williamsburg is I know
Speaker:you were like incredibly excited to go
Speaker:there because we have friends and family
Speaker:like close family friends that have been
Speaker:going there for quite some time it's
Speaker:been really fun and it's just one of
Speaker:those places it's nice to walk around
Speaker:and it's it's just a great spot it's
Speaker:really up to you how much you want to
Speaker:engage yep people will dress I I plan to
Speaker:dress I bought the colonial dress and
Speaker:the colonial hat and the Bonnet and I
Speaker:have the under hoops and I plan to dress
Speaker:and people will do that and and people
Speaker:will engage with you and so it's not odd
Speaker:to see people dressed in the colonial
Speaker:outfits as they walk around Colonial
Speaker:rooms but yeah I'm that'll be a day when
Speaker:I see that so the history of Colonial
Speaker:Williamsburg it's undeniable
Speaker:the country's forefathers lived and
Speaker:worked there building the foundation of
Speaker:the society that we know today
Speaker:that fact alone actually takes time to
Speaker:set in when you're there walking in the
Speaker:same Garden that Thomas Jefferson walked
Speaker:through or having dinner in a Tavern
Speaker:that James Madison probably sat down and
Speaker:had drinks in
Speaker:and yes possibly staying in the same
Speaker:home that Martha Washington herself
Speaker:might have stayed in at one point in
Speaker:time
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